“Muslims do not have the slightest right to complain about the desecration of one mosque in Ayodhya. From 1000 AD every temple from Kathiawar to Bihar, from the Himalayas to the Vindhyas has been sacked and ruined. Not one temple was left standing all over northern India. They escaped destruction only where Muslim power did not gain access to them for reasons such as dense forests. Otherwise, it was a continuous spell of vandalism. No nation with any self-respect will forgive this.”
इस्लाम के आगमन काल से ये भव्य देव स्थल इस्लामिक ज़ेहादिओं के निशाने पर रहे हैं. गौरी,अब्दाली, खिलज़ी जैसे सैंकड़ों मुस्लिम आक्रान्ताओं ने मंदिरों को लूटा और मिस्मार किया. फिर भी हिन्दुओं की आस्था में कोई कमी नहीं देखने को मिली - मगर किसी धर्माचार्य ने इन देवालयों की धन संपदा को इनकी और हिन्दू समाज की हिफाज़त के लिए सदुपयोग की नहीं सोची. मुस्लिम मज़हब के रहनुमा इस लूट के धन को मज़हब को फ़ैलाने और मज़बूत... करने पर खर्च करते . चर्च ने तो अपनी सेना और शस्त्रागार तक बना रखे थे.
हिन्दुओं के हजारों मंदिर मुगलों द्वारा लूटे और गिराए गए. अब्दाली ने हिन्दुओं के पवित्र धरम स्थल मथुरा -वृन्दावन और गोकुल के पवित्र मंदिरों को ही नहीं तोडा बल्कि एक हिन्दू के सिर की कीमत ५/- रूपए लगा दी . अफगान सैनिकों ने मासूम हिन्दू बच्चों के सरों के ढेर लगा दिए . मथुरा के पांडे मंदिरों को छोड़ भाग खड़े हुए. सिर्फ नांगा साधुओं ने अफगान सैनिको का सामना किया और बहुत से सैनिक मार गिराए .अहमदशाह अब्दाली ने जब सिखों के 'मक्का' हरमंदिर साहेब को मिस्मार करने के लिए हमला किया तो sakdon log maare gaye
@envsh03 It is not at all an essential question. Hindus believe (or want to believe) that the original temple consecrated the birthplace of Rama. The question of Rama's existence or his divinity is at par with the existence or divinity of Jesus, or the "divine inspiration" for that unholy book called the Koran.
@DamnBulletin Hindus believe that this is the birthplace of Ram. Hence, if there is no evidence to substantiate this -or worse still, Ram did not exist at all! -then it makes a nonsense of the thing!
@envsh03 Strictly speaking, of course, it is nonsense. Just as Jesus being born of a virgin, or rising from the dead. All religions are based on myths.
You are not in the clear either. Do you have conclusive evidence regarding the circumstances of birth of your ancestors back, say, five generations?
You can learn more about the issue by googling 'The case against the temple' by Koenraad Elst.
@DamnBulletin The circumstances of my birth, or your birth, are not relevant!
The central question on which this case hinges, is the birth of Ram. Hence, it is entirely proper and reasonable, to ask for evidence to substantiate the matter.
@envsh03 I don't know whether you understand who Rama was or when he lived. You can read the arguments in the short book that I cited.
In brief, the issue is not that of Rama's birth. The Hindu claim to the land is based on the fact that the site was a Hindu temple since antiquity, which Babar and Mir Baki had destroyed to build a Mosque (thousands of temples were replaced with Mosques during the Islamic rule in India).
@envsh03 The Mosque itself fell out of use in the 1930s, and has been used as a temple since 1949. It is one of the five most sacred sites in Hinduism and of no importance to Islam.
Since different parties have held the land over thousands of years, a just settlement has to be found, either outside of court or enforced by a court verdict.
If you don't like that, well too bad. Hindus have a right to preserve their culture in their own homeland and Babar is no longer the ruler.
Evil Muslim invaders and occupiers of India destroyed thousands of scared Hindu Temples and build Masjids there and killed millions of Hindus and plundered and looted India for 800 years.
Hindu Temples must be rebuild on those sites where Muslims destroyed Temples and build Masjids.
Anti-Hindu Congress Party, Muslims, and Anti-Hindu Indian Media want to white wash the dark chapters of Muslim conquest and occupation of India but we Hindus remember dark history of Muslim conquest of India.
I wonder what exactly the muslims are trying to say, when all these muslims deny that there was any mandir before demolition of the masjid?
Are they saying that the muslims never destroyed any mandir's in India and then build masjid's at the same spot? Seriously, did the muslims build all their masjids from scratch and are as peace loving and tolerant as they would like to believe themselves?
Islam and its history is full of destruction and death...muslims who know their own history are embarrassed and quite rightly so..read the books on hindu temples by sitaram goel and on ayodhya issue by koenraad elst.. Islam is an ideology that has propafated by force and if need be we have to assert ourselves by force too...
I think the most fundamental of rights is the freedom of speech and the freedom to follow your own beliefs. India/Hinduism has shown tolerance and respect for others beliefs by co-existing with Jews, Parsis, Buddhism, Christianity...
I agree with you in one respect, if need be one should take up force to protect these rights. I believe in being defensive as opposed to taking on a fight for unnecessary reasons..
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“Muslims do not have the slightest right to complain about the desecration of one mosque in Ayodhya. From 1000 AD every temple from Kathiawar to Bihar, from the Himalayas to the Vindhyas has been sacked and ruined. Not one temple was left standing all over northern India. They escaped destruction only where Muslim power did not gain access to them for reasons such as dense forests. Otherwise, it was a continuous spell of vandalism. No nation with any self-respect will forgive this.”
TheMsmaahisingh 3 months ago
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इस्लाम के आगमन काल से ये भव्य देव स्थल इस्लामिक ज़ेहादिओं के निशाने पर रहे हैं. गौरी,अब्दाली, खिलज़ी जैसे सैंकड़ों मुस्लिम आक्रान्ताओं ने मंदिरों को लूटा और मिस्मार किया. फिर भी हिन्दुओं की आस्था में कोई कमी नहीं देखने को मिली - मगर किसी धर्माचार्य ने इन देवालयों की धन संपदा को इनकी और हिन्दू समाज की हिफाज़त के लिए सदुपयोग की नहीं सोची. मुस्लिम मज़हब के रहनुमा इस लूट के धन को मज़हब को फ़ैलाने और मज़बूत... करने पर खर्च करते . चर्च ने तो अपनी सेना और शस्त्रागार तक बना रखे थे.
TheMsmaahisingh 3 months ago
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हिन्दुओं के हजारों मंदिर मुगलों द्वारा लूटे और गिराए गए. अब्दाली ने हिन्दुओं के पवित्र धरम स्थल मथुरा -वृन्दावन और गोकुल के पवित्र मंदिरों को ही नहीं तोडा बल्कि एक हिन्दू के सिर की कीमत ५/- रूपए लगा दी . अफगान सैनिकों ने मासूम हिन्दू बच्चों के सरों के ढेर लगा दिए . मथुरा के पांडे मंदिरों को छोड़ भाग खड़े हुए. सिर्फ नांगा साधुओं ने अफगान सैनिको का सामना किया और बहुत से सैनिक मार गिराए .अहमदशाह अब्दाली ने जब सिखों के 'मक्का' हरमंदिर साहेब को मिस्मार करने के लिए हमला किया तो sakdon log maare gaye
TheMsmaahisingh 3 months ago
There is no evidence to prove that this is the birthplace of Ram!
Surely, this is the essential question and the essence of the matter.
envsh03 11 months ago
@envsh03 It is not at all an essential question. Hindus believe (or want to believe) that the original temple consecrated the birthplace of Rama. The question of Rama's existence or his divinity is at par with the existence or divinity of Jesus, or the "divine inspiration" for that unholy book called the Koran.
DamnBulletin 10 months ago
@DamnBulletin Hindus believe that this is the birthplace of Ram. Hence, if there is no evidence to substantiate this -or worse still, Ram did not exist at all! -then it makes a nonsense of the thing!
envsh03 10 months ago
@envsh03 Strictly speaking, of course, it is nonsense. Just as Jesus being born of a virgin, or rising from the dead. All religions are based on myths.
You are not in the clear either. Do you have conclusive evidence regarding the circumstances of birth of your ancestors back, say, five generations?
You can learn more about the issue by googling 'The case against the temple' by Koenraad Elst.
DamnBulletin 10 months ago
@DamnBulletin The circumstances of my birth, or your birth, are not relevant!
The central question on which this case hinges, is the birth of Ram. Hence, it is entirely proper and reasonable, to ask for evidence to substantiate the matter.
envsh03 10 months ago
@envsh03 I don't know whether you understand who Rama was or when he lived. You can read the arguments in the short book that I cited.
In brief, the issue is not that of Rama's birth. The Hindu claim to the land is based on the fact that the site was a Hindu temple since antiquity, which Babar and Mir Baki had destroyed to build a Mosque (thousands of temples were replaced with Mosques during the Islamic rule in India).
DamnBulletin 10 months ago
@envsh03 The Mosque itself fell out of use in the 1930s, and has been used as a temple since 1949. It is one of the five most sacred sites in Hinduism and of no importance to Islam.
Since different parties have held the land over thousands of years, a just settlement has to be found, either outside of court or enforced by a court verdict.
If you don't like that, well too bad. Hindus have a right to preserve their culture in their own homeland and Babar is no longer the ruler.
DamnBulletin 10 months ago
JAI SHREE RAM
TheMsmaahisingh 1 year ago 2
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Evil Muslim invaders and occupiers of India destroyed thousands of scared Hindu Temples and build Masjids there and killed millions of Hindus and plundered and looted India for 800 years.
Hindu Temples must be rebuild on those sites where Muslims destroyed Temples and build Masjids.
Anti-Hindu Congress Party, Muslims, and Anti-Hindu Indian Media want to white wash the dark chapters of Muslim conquest and occupation of India but we Hindus remember dark history of Muslim conquest of India.
htgajjar 1 year ago
I wonder what exactly the muslims are trying to say, when all these muslims deny that there was any mandir before demolition of the masjid?
Are they saying that the muslims never destroyed any mandir's in India and then build masjid's at the same spot? Seriously, did the muslims build all their masjids from scratch and are as peace loving and tolerant as they would like to believe themselves?
0musing 1 year ago 13
@0musing
Islam and its history is full of destruction and death...muslims who know their own history are embarrassed and quite rightly so..read the books on hindu temples by sitaram goel and on ayodhya issue by koenraad elst.. Islam is an ideology that has propafated by force and if need be we have to assert ourselves by force too...
zanyguy123 1 year ago 10
@zanyguy123
I think the most fundamental of rights is the freedom of speech and the freedom to follow your own beliefs. India/Hinduism has shown tolerance and respect for others beliefs by co-existing with Jews, Parsis, Buddhism, Christianity...
I agree with you in one respect, if need be one should take up force to protect these rights. I believe in being defensive as opposed to taking on a fight for unnecessary reasons..
0musing 1 year ago 2