Debunking Christian Apologetics: Prophecy

[BackInTheGarden]

Hi, If your worried about the silver lining in the mushroom cloud you'd better look a little closer at Islam, brother.  And as for Biblical prophecy, study the book of Daniel and his prophecy of when the messiah (Christ) will come to earth the first time. C'mon, put a little effort into the study and you will find he "Nailed" it right down to the exact day, hundreds of years in the future... Daniel's future that is. Thank you.

[DeistPaladin]

@BackInTheGarden We can't even figure out any of the dates of the supposed "life of Christ" retroactively. Not even close. See my video, "The Jesus Timeline".

[BackInTheGarden]

@DeistPaladin

OK, how about this one then...Nearly 150 years before Cyrus The Great, King of Persia was born, the prophet Isaiah foretold his birth, his name, and the tasks that the One True God had predetermined for him to accomplish.

[BackInTheGarden]

@DeistPaladin King Cyrus was an extremely important person, because he rid the world of the Babylonian empire and brought a close to the seventy-year captivity of the Jews that God imposed on them for their rebellion against him.

God had foreordained this man to be his anointed servant (Isa.45:1)

For the circumstances of the first taking of Babylon." See Daniel chapter 5.

[BackInTheGarden]

@DeistPaladin Did anyone check out this one by the way?... That nearly 150 years before Cyrus, King of Persia was born, (whose name is mentioned over 22 times in the Bible and whose tomb in Iran can be visited today) The prophet Isaiah foretold his birth, his name, and the things The God of Israel had predetermined for him to accomplish? Everyone should research... just a little bit, (in this "Information Age") and they would find amazing truths in The Bible and it's prophecies

[MamaMario13]

@BackInTheGarden not the exact day, but jesus certainly knew about the prophecy and attempted to fulfill it himself

[AschersOil]

God doesn't give dates because He doesn't really dwell on the dimension of time like we do " a day is like a 1,000 years". Dilbert calendar is a cute little analogy but it is also a distraction. I like prophecy, there are still a bunch to be fulfilled but nearly 2,000 have already been fulfilled. The Blessings of Ascher in Deuteronomy and the War of Magog are probably in the middle stages of being fulfilled right now. Check Dr Jeremiah and Perry Stone. Have a good week end.

[gnarchar33]

I feel very sorry for you my friend. I pray that in the name of jesus, the lord reveals himself to you in a radical way so you dont get what your asking for. I used to live just like you trying to bash and belittle christian for living God and beleiving in the bible. Until I finally gave in for once, and crazy unexplainable things started taking place in my life. Or the first time I blind eyes see again. I know your not happy without his love bro. Just let go I promise you wont regret it.

[phlewis86]

I am going to explain why I gave this video thumbs down. I used to be into debunking things. I thought it was very heroic and then I started to think it over. People who set themselves up as heroes are not really doing a service. There actions are purely ego driven. They are no better than the people they are debunking. I have great confidence in the ability of most of us to tell when we are being bullshitted by others. We really don't need these self appointed heroes to "protect" us.

[Rush6477]

Does not my God, Science, accept the possibility that there are NO coincidences, and that everything happens according to some Theory of Chaos plan?

Your experiment here implys that God is in all of us and we create our own reality.

What are you? Some kind of New Ager???

[DeistPaladin]

@Rush6477 What the hell are you talking about?

My experiment indicates that we can take past events and make them fit, post hoc, whatever vague "prophecy" we heard before, be they from the Bible, from a horoscope, from Nostradamus, or whatever superstition you believe in. It proves nothing.

[matrixlone]

@DeistPaladin how do you explain the vids i have of people seeing visions of christ revealing things to them in my playlist then?

[dkrittgers]

Your argument is so amateur that you come across to me as someone who thinks they know everything but in actuality you are just as lost as everyone else who rejects the Creators design and plan for humanity. I hope that the blinders that have covered your eyes are lifted so that you can see the truth.

[TheWomblemaster]

I like it when muppets are scared!

[Theclubstorm]

Good video man keep it up.

[699backstab]

All faithful are cowards. All faithful are failed fallen farcical faith fanatics. These things easily find access to oxygen and food and this oxygen and food consumption has a zero return on it.In fact, when resources are consumed by the faithful my species suffers as a result. Carbon monoxide cures religion. Help free our species from the grip of anchoring failure, convince a religitard to spend time in the garage with their car. If you believe in a god then go fucking see him.

[DeistPaladin]

@699backstab Kindly remember that most atheists and other free thinkers in my country are themselves ex-Christians. Today's religious zealot could be tomorrow's leader of the local atheist group. On the other hand, with the right indoctrination, it could be any one of us rolling around on the church floor while babbling in "tongues".

We are not smarter or more worthy of life. We are simply lucky enough to be free of indoctrination. We have the duty to spread enlightenment, not suicide.

[badstrong3]

Wow I'm baked. @lastguitar I came here because I need a good argument to prove my friend wrong about bein a jehovah witness. At the end he took that self fulfilling prophet bit from religulous and he didn't present a good argument for it

[badstrong3]

@lastguitar I came here to a

[FUCKyourGODmyth]

People who claim to believe prophecy are just advertising their gullibility.

[sunshowers26]

If this is an example of a top defender of the atheistic worldview, I'd say Christianity is safe.

[HybridD91]

@sunshowers26 Christianity is safe? Read John 17 and look up how many Christian sects there are. It's far from safe, in fact, Christianity refutes itself.

[saintpine]

@sunshowers26 said: "If this is an example of a top defender of the atheistic worldview, I'd say Christianity is safe. "

Did you watch the video, there was no proposal of atheistic worldview, he was simply debunking the concept of prophecies that christians hold.

[HybridD91]

These "prophecies" are so vague, they could be applied to just about any thing. Here's my prophecy, in the future there will be a big war between multiple countries over resources.

[lacatuscovalschi]

The anti Christ is the pope. The prophet Daniel said the Anti Christ would come out of the divided Roman Empire right at the time of its collapse, Daniel said the anti Christ would destroy 3 of the first ten kingdoms which would come out of the divided roman empire, Daniel said the anti Christ would speak blasphemy, persecute Gods saints and think he could change Gods times and laws, the pope said he was God on earth, brought the inquisition, changed the Sabbath day and came out of Rome

[steptocheese]

@deistpaladin

im going to do a video soon on how the koran has 'greater' prophetic claims and scientific claims

and see how they react

to bad christians think the bible prophecy are about the future

they think babylon is america or islam or etc..

babylon is babylon!

[MrWhatstrue]

Very good video, I can learn somethings from you. I've been trying to shed some light on religious thinking for quite some time now. Keep cranking out the videos.

[31MrAnderson]

the bible says in revelation 13:16-18 that there will be a world leader who cause all people to get this mark on them. in will not be able to buy or sell anything with out it. this book was written about 90-95 ad. back at that time it would have been dumb to think that well, we are in the last days i believe were we have the technology to pull this off. mater fact look it up on youtube the verfichip i'm not saying this is but you get point. new world order. trust jesus

[HybridD91]

@31MrAnderson The Verichip as been about for about half a decade and isn't forced on any body and you forgot to mention the forehead. The head isn't an ideal place for a chip. There's nothing convincing about a book written during the time of an empire that wanted to control the world. You forgot mention the failed prophecies in Isa.19 and Eze.29 & 30. What about Matt.24:14 and Col. 1:23/Rom.10:18? According to the Bible, everyone heard of Jesus back then, you people leave out a lot.

[brightsorcerer]

You make some excellent and valid points. Oddly enough, I have an unshakable belief in a Creator but am very aware that there is a distinct & huge difference between being "religious" and being "spiritual". One extremely important observation you made regarding their fervent wish for "Armageddon" is well-founded. When energy is consistently directed towards a specific outcome (like Law of Attraction) that energy is set in motion with all likelihood of becoming reality. Good info!

[cynicalbeauty18]

If God doesn't exist, how do explain OUR existance? Or the complexities of living beings? Have you ever taken human physiology? We are a perfect design. We did not just form from nothing. God bless you in your disbelief.

[scasired]

Keep up the good work John. Your vids are always informative and well-researched. I was always puzzled why Christians chose the word 'apologetics'. Why would Christian thelogians need to 'apologize' for God? Is God such a whimp that he can't speak for himself? Is God so impotent that he needs a thousand preachers running around telling folks what he's thinking?

[DeistPaladin]

The word "apologetics" is not just used among Christians. It's a term that's used for the defenders of the faith in any religion (or in some political circles).

[31MrAnderson]

no god does not have to use anybody but he chose to use people for his glory. also you are being used by him right now. god is still speaking right now through creation. i admit you do have more faith then me. this is what you believe nothing created something out of nothing. i believe someone who is jesus created all things for a purpose. what is your purpose nobody we are just here for no reason.

[flight1100]

@31MrAnderson Why do you people insist that anyone who disbelieves in youre god theory must believe the universe came from nothing? I for one have no Idea at all from what, where, who or why the universe came. I simply don't accept a biblical version of events. I don't have a problem with I don't know. Thats all. No conclusion is implied no superstitious nonsense entertained. Nothing more. Understand?

[TheFrankDF]

Ho hum, zzzzz. I will not get in to a discussion with loaded semantics. It is like asking a man if he has stopped beating his wife or when a woman asks if this dress makes her look fat.

It appears that you protesteth too much and too well. You might want to find out what apologetics are. They are not apologies and if your belief is that God is a wimp, it is very apparent that you have not studied what you argue against. How can you argue against that which you do not comprehend?

[carlindelco]

Well amazing and feeble attempt to disprove God's word.. 1 thing wrong with your experiment.. is that 1 there is no 3rd party validation.. you created the calendar and you yourself are validating the event. When the Bible predicts Israel becoming a nation.. NO one and I mean NO one ever expected that to come to pass. And all the arabs were against it. and they attacked and attacked and lose repeatedly again to everyone's surprise.. At some point you have to concede to truth and fact..

[bagman234]

is it so hard to believe they did it because the bible told them they would?

[carlindelco]

@bagman234 Prophecy predicted it.. if were educated in History you would know something about the time in which it took place.. That after all that had just happened no one would of thought that it would actually come to fruition/fulfillment at that time.

[DeistPaladin]

It's called "self-fulfilling prophecy".

[carlindelco]

LOL yeah that would be valid in a single individual under autonomous control. But it certainly doesn't hold true here. You can not experience self -fulfilling prophecy that involves the actions and co operation of others. lol so funny you try to use sophisticated pseudo intellectual non sense,, to appear smart but actually you demonstrate your illiteracy. Prophecy that is confirmed by an objective 3rd party is not self-fulfilled.. it's just fulfilled.

[DeistPaladin]

Sorry, how does the American establishment of Israel not count as a self-fulfilling prophecy? That's why the Christian right is so pro-Israel, despite Christianity's long history of Antisemitism. They see Israel as necessary to bring Jesus back.

[carlindelco]

LOL well for starters it was a british directive NOT American. Christianity does not hold a antisemitism sentiment, occasionally thought history there have been those who have. You clearly have no idea of what you speak. You equate farrakhan type antisemitism with Christianity? We share the same root.. you do know that the Bible has a old AND a new testament right? lol We both know that this issue has nothing to do with your hate of God.. so please try to be honest.. God Bless

[DeistPaladin]

Christianity isn't Antisemitic? Where do you suppose Antisemitism and the "Christ Killer" myth came from? Have you read the Epistles of Paul? Have you seen Gibson's movie? Even among conservative Christians the Antisemitic sentiment leaks out periodically.

[HenrikAlexM]

I've read the letters of Paul, where does it have antisemitism? Just curious.

[DeistPaladin]

Acts 10:39

1Thes 2:14-15

Titus 1:10-16

[HenrikAlexM]

@DeistPal

Well I don't think Acts was a letter of Paul.

From each of the passages that you gave me, Paul says, "They displease God and are hostile to all men"

So Paul does not hate Jews to be antisemitic, but Paul just doesn't like people who don't obey God, in general.

Note, also that Paul writes to the Jews. He himself is a Jew. Romans 1:16 says, "16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek."

[DeistPaladin]

Paul explicitly mentioned "the Jews" by name in 1Thes.

In Titus, he mentions "they of the circumcision"

I mention Acts, which also mentions "the Jews" by name, because it's still NT. Gibson's movie isn't based on Paul's epistles either.

In Romans, Paul clarifies "everyone who believes", meaning Jews who convert and accept Jesus. Remember that Jews are a people AND a religion.

[HenrikAlexM]

Hey carlindelco,

I appreciate your knowledge on these subjects, but it kinda seems like you are talking down to DeistPaladin. I don't think we, as salt and light, are supposed to be behaving like that towards non christians. Next time, just be more gentle and kind, because if you aren't then there is no real point in debating. No one will ever agree with you. take care, and pray for DeistPaladin too, I'll pray for him too.

[carlindelco]

@HenrikAlexM I am not misbehaving.. don't confuse my sharpeness against lie and nonsense with hate ... For too long they have mocked our God with smug delusions .. and I am simply slightly more assertive and sharper at times. Sometime you have to try to wake them up out of there dream state to show they mislead in believing that they are smart and clever in there debate and belief or lack there of. Jesus isn't coming back to talk next time.. God Bless and thanks

[HenrikAlexM]

@carlindelco

ok God Bless to you too

May God be exalted, magnified, and glorified in everything that we do and may the Holy Spirit lead us in the advancement and proclamation of the Gospel

[carlindelco]

@HenrikAlexM Thanks...Amen brother..

[Danwynne]

not all prophecies have to be written specifically in the bible, there is many that are but God uses more than one medium to speak to people. i have seen people give prophecies from God and then later i have seen them come to pass, and they were not just little things either... God is not to be put in a box. He DOES speak to people these days, and he loves it! God loves having personal relationship with his creation. Praise God!

[carlindelco]

Amen bother.. I like how this guys talks about "self-fulfilling prophecy scaring him" ahh like just because we think Jesus will come ,that will make it happen. what some dude coming down from the sky .. We are told he will come and he will and all will see him... God Bless

[DeistPaladin]

I'm curious about the "coming down from the sky" bit.

Do you think Heaven is located in the clouds and it's all invisible as we fly through them? Or perhaps Jesus will fly through space from another planet, kind of like Superman? Or does Jesus travel through a dimensional gateway, in which case why not create that gateway on the ground?

[carlindelco]

I think to adequately demonstrate God powers to the remaining fools who still doubt him.. it would be a sight to behold. In any event him returning as he left the second time is the understanding. if you read the passage through.

[TheAlexANGST]

Got done reading The Lost Symbol a few weeks ago. Love to know what you think. I thought it was amazing. The studies of Noetic Science, and true meaning of "The Word". It's grasped my interest in many different things

[mowglihusseinmancub]

Dude, Scott Adams IS God. His calendar IS prophecy. Pwned.

[caseyrainer]

All worship the mighty FORER EFFECT....

muahahahaha...

[nocturanas]

And if you live your life to the fullest, then your evil.. in Christianity

[nocturanas]

I have to say, that if people think that these days are the "end of days" I bet they were FLIPPING THE FUCK OUT, during WW2... I mean that time... was serious stuff... American taking over a couple countries... not so serious. More people died in 1 month during WW2 then have died in both of our conflicts.. now THAT is some scary stuff. BEWARE! BE AFRAID!! TURN TO GOD!! I'll stop being sarcastic now... btw... always thought it was funny how live spelled backward is evil.

[Angmarr]

"btw... always thought it was funny how live spelled backward is evil. "

So? Thats in Modern English and Modern English only.. in every other language you cannot make such a claim.. for you to be amazed by that well contradicts what you just rediculed. Oh and by the way, BIBLE stands for Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth...

/sarcasm off

[Cr8zyCanuck]

THANK YOU JOHN AGAIN! WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE THESE DAYS? Seriously you're convincing me more and more the problem truly is religion and the religious hierarchy--not the belief in God or lack there of. I'm an Anti-Theist/Secular Humanist. A religion hater. Not an idea hater.

[Angmarr]

Arent u supose to promote tolerence?

[Cr8zyCanuck]

Nope. I'm very intolerant of beliefs that subjugate and rend their believers actual or metaphorical slaves. In essence I'm intolerant of intolerance. I'm pro life, pro gay marriage, pro peace, pro democracy, anti-corruption, pro charity and pro humanist ideals.

[Angmarr]

You take it as if humanity is per definitton God. What if we are not? If God exists he probably knows more than you do, meaning he has a better view of reality and what is going on. Thus, what he is trying to tell you is probably better for you than what you think for youself. And by the way, one could argue that slaves are only really slaves as long as they do not wish to be slaves. But I would gladly be enslaved by Jesus as would any other Christian .. I suppose :)

[Angmarr]

(continued) But enslaved is really not the right word. "Trust", on the other hand,s is. If I met the real Jesus and he told me to do something I would gladly do it.

[Angmarr]

Oh and by the way, you being "intolerant of intolerance" makes you intolerent of yourself or at least your own position? Doesnt it?

[NKHart]

I got my seasonal flu shot yesterday, along with a printout of the schedule for the H1N1 upcoming flu shots. 

Bottlomline: If you're 65 or older; no matter how sickly you are, you will not be getting an H1N1 flu shot until everyone else has had their shot. That's because old people don't get H1N1 flu as bad as younger people. Says who?? And how do they KNOW?? It's a known fact that old people get EVERY disease, especially flu, worse than young people.

My prophecy--It has started.

[lipoicacid]

Google:Vaccines Dark Inferno + Dr Gary Null.

[sy1234]

> Says who?? And how do they KNOW?? It's a known fact that old people get EVERY disease, especially flu, worse than young people.

You may want to check with professional sources instead of using your mindless conjecture. In the real world there are real reasons for saying things. You're pretending to understand things that other people study for a living. Ask *them*, and stop daydreaming.

[Aaberg123]

But not this brand, because apparently it's similar to a strand that was prevalent some decades ago. Or that's my understanding of it anyway.

Anyway, the consequence of this is, that the elderly have already been exposed to something similar to H1N1, and hence have better resistance, while younger generations have not.

[Cr8zyCanuck]

Go watch Thunderf00t s video on the vaccines. He debunks myths. Ethyl Mercury is not poisonous and has been tested on pregnant mothers and babies. Get get your facts. We also may only need one h1n1 vaccine instead of 2. Sot he 53million Canada ordered are enough!!! YAY! Except they won't give us any of it yet.... weird?

[Cr8zyCanuck]

People over 65 are less likely to be frequently traveling the transit routes or opening and closing public doors because they are retired. It Makes sense. Stop looking for conspiracy theories. Elderly people actually are in the higher risk group for death from H1N1. Just like any other flu the weaker immune systems have the lower survival rate--and old people happen to have weaker immune systems than say an average 20 something. However the 20something is more likely to GET the virus.

[NKHart]

The prophets of old are comparable to today's news analysts.  They were doing commentaries of events of their day.

[madfidr]

With a fantastic imagination, but no real proof, you can link Isaiah 19 to the mythological story of the exodus...what you cannot do is link it to a specific pharaoh or time in history because none is mentioned in the actual text. Zip. Nada. Bupkiss. So you really have no proof to be disproven. The same is true with the rest of your so-called prophetic dating which is entirely arbitrary. There is nothing to disprove as you have hinged it entirely on your own imagination and delusion.

[MageGrayWolf]

I did this experiment by randomly flipping through tv channels and it worked just as well as DeistPaladin's calander.

[Larsinger58]

Again, you ask a good question but it is clear the Bible is not an open book for outsiders and goes out of its way to complicate in particular, its chronology for some reason, in particular in relation to the Exodus which I can see why in hindsight. Identifying the pharaoh of the Exodus is preemptive of a lot of revisionism.

What is amazing is Isa records the only time of national monotheism and links it to the ten plagues and an altar being built as a monument to that event, now confirmed.

[Larsinger58]

The Bible provides certain specific dates to fulfill certain patterns, but specifically leaves some events unstated. Case in point how old Adam was when Eve was created would give us too much information about when the millennium might begin. We have to guess. So while certain events are dated specifically (i.e. Holocaust, 2nd coming) others are specifically not (Armageddon, Eve's creation). The Exodus is a suppressed date until now, linked with 1947, but contexted by Isa 19 to Akhenaten!

[Larsinger58]

cont... Case in point the parallel histories and the complex words for the Divided Kingdom Period. There were many co-rulerships but they are difficult to determine because the title of "king" was applied to the co-ruler. So when the Bible says "became king" you can't tell if it is the beginning of a co-rulership or sole rulership. So two dates are given for kingships. i.e. Azariah of Judah becomes king in both the 11th and 12th years of Jehoram of Israel.(2Ki 8:25 9:29) One ws co-rulership

[Hewbertocles]

I find that humanity has something of a "chicken-little" complex: Every disaster is yet another example of encrouching judgment day, while in reality, it's simply a very savvi fellow pulling the wool over their eyes to gain some amount of ethos. It's all poppy-cock. Likewise, though, I hope that poppy-cock dies out before we do...

[tidders2]

Would the author of this video care to debunk the supposed phrophecies offerred by Larsinger58 if he can please?

[lipoicacid]

The prophecies are redactions and interpolations.There are plenty of scholarly books on this.I would [start ]with William Harwood and Morton Smith.

[Larsinger58]

No. The Bible is true. So-called educated people make presumptions to put the Bible in the same category of other works but this is an example where archaeology proves the Bible is true history and thus those "theories" are now disproved. So this view is now OUTDATED and incompetent. It's amazing we can actually accept the Exodus and the ten plagues actually happened and caused Akhenaten to become a monotheist! Amazing! Even the chronology is accurate to the same year: 1386 per the KTU1.78

[DeistPaladin]

I'm curious, Lars, as to your explanation as to why the Pharaoh of Egypt was unnamed, in stark contrast to how every insignificant character in the Bible was named.

I'm also curious as to why you have managed to succeed where Bible scholars have failed in determining which Pharaoh it was?

[Larsinger58]

DP, you are very intuitive! I really like your approach to things.

UR question is valid and my response would be, particularly the complex reference from Isaiah 19:19-25 that it seemed prudent to suppress identifying the pharaoh of the Exodus. Perhaps because it is so well linked to the Jewish timeline that it would contradict revisions by the pagans. So it is cryptic. This is consistent with chronology in the Bible in general. It goes out of its way to confuscate its chronology...

[lipoicacid]

No,The buy-bull is [not] true.Its' credibility is only in your mind.Not only are they not true but the are borrowing from older myths.You are [utterly] deluded and most likely shizophrenic =[

[Larsinger58]

ROFL!!! So what? If I can make archaeology and astronomy and history align with my own fantasies and beliefs then I'm happy. Everybody does the same. They imagine things that are FACTS that may or may not be that and go from there. I'm happy there remains no fundamental contradiction to the Bible and that some detractors cut corners, like ProfMTH to make a dramatic point. So I'm happy with my delusions and just sharing them, knowing naysayers cannot disprove anything I believe. GRIN.

[lipoicacid]

I have already proven that when presented with ''fundamental contradictions'' in your mind control manual you ignore them.This is classic schizophrenia.People is straight jackets ''grin'' a lot too =D

[Larsinger58]

Well, doesn't look like you got anywhere with me. Schizophrenia is a great Christian apologist defensive mechanism!!

Works for me!!

[lipoicacid]

Excellent! Now go put your ''special'' helmet on and then toss yourself to the lions for Jesus =D

[madfidr]

Larsinger, did none of the post on confirmation bias make any sense to you??? You have convinced yourself that those prophecies mean what you think they mean. The majority of major Biblical scholars, Christian and Jewish don't think they believe that at all...in fact most agree with the author of this video in that they were written after the fact in the date of Antiochus and pseudo-epigraphically attributed to Daniel IOW not prophecy at all. You're in the wilderness on this.

[1deanwdaniel]

*****

[Larsinger58]

Once again, so show this is not optional, the restoration to their homeland must be linked with the absolute date of the Exodus. We can determine that by the KTU 1.78 astronomical text which dates the 12th of Akhenaten to 1375 BCE, dating his 1st year to 1386 BCE, in which case the 69th jubilee after that occurs in 1947. There is ZERO flexibility.

Math: 3430=70 weeks. Minus 2x49=98. 3430-98=3332. The Exodus is 3332 years from restoratio.

3332-1386=1946+1=1947.

Coincidence?

[lipoicacid]

There was no ''Exodus''.End of story ='[

[Larsinger58]

Or there are other details that are not generalized, such as Gog of Magog who desolates the Jews during the Holocaust. Magog was the grandson of Japheth who is the father of the European nations. So it was prophecied that some white descendants of Japheth would exterminate 2/3rds of the Jews between 1940-1947, which is what happened. The Germans or children of Magog are who desolated the Jews. But also, restoration to their homeland occurs right after Holocaust in 1947; another 1-time event.

[Larsinger58]

Presentation chronology: IOW, theoretically if you can confirm one date in a series of coordinated dates then you can establish all thress. So let's use 1947. It is the last jubilee in a series of 70 jubilee period. It begins the 70th jubilee. The Exodus is the 1st jubilee in the series.Therefore if you add 49 years to 1947 to get 1996 and go back 70 jubilees (3430 years), then the Exodus should be 49 years later in 1386 BCE, the 1st of Akhenaten. The KTU 1.78 text dates his yr 1 in 1386BCE.

[Larsinger58]

UR absolutely right.Generalized prophecies are easy and not impressive. You need something specific. In the case of Bible chronology and prophecy it becomes impressive because of coordination.That is, several historical events have to occur in connection with others in specific years.For instance, the Exodus, the return from Babylon and the final return in 1947 to their homeland must occur on Jubilees. So 1386, 455 BCE and 1947 have to occur in line with the 49-year jubilee cycle and it does!

[LeksServices]

I'll admit: I do the same thing with my beliefs. One night, I dreamed that god asked me to be a minister for him, and told him no. The next day, I found $5.00 on the sidewalk. See? I do that kind of thing, too.

[AbbeyNormal]

I've been running into this with some friends who are not Christian but believe in psychic powers. Very reasonable people in all other ways, but my explanation of confirmation bias just bounces off them. They believe they have these powers (and so do I, apparently) and so it doesn't matter that they're actively searching for things that confirm their believe and ignoring things that don't. They don't see that in some ways they're acting the same way as religious folks.

[crazypills2]

Excellent video. Confirmation bias is a real problem for fundies.

[Dusty341]

Hey, you guys...I am a prophet. Check it out.

*ahem*

THERE WILL BE A MAJOR WAR IN THE FUTURE!

THERE WILL BE A NATURAL DISASTER IN THE FUTURE!

A WORLD LEADER WILL BE ASSASSINATED IN THE FUTURE!

I defy anyone who tells me I am not a prophet.

[Heathenfidel]

Dilbert is only prophetic if you work at a large company with incompetent bureaucrats.

:-)

[ArtinEmil]

Astrology is a bunch of non-sense.

[sp00x]

I had to stop reading Dilbert because it kept rubbing in all the daily annoyances I would experience at the office :)

[madfidr]

In my reading I have come across the notion that the Abraham story is another midrash to illustrate the split between the older cult that venerated child sacrifice and occasionally ritual cannibalism, thus the prohibition against pork (really because of its similarity to "long pork" heh) and the rejection of the bull EL which is a domestic religion for the herdsmans ram/sheep YHWH, the son of EL. Abraham was only doing what the gods would typically ask of a follower. The new god changes this.

[melowar78]

Excellent point at the end of the vid.

[theogore]

Genius experiment!

I'll try it!

[stagism]

Scott Adams is GOD and Dilbert is his holy son.

[TomSFox]

Watch out, Scott Adams will darn you to heck for your blaspheming ways!

[martiangrundy]

Yet another splendid video.

And absolutely correct, it surely is a frightening prospect.

I believe Armageddon brought about by religious war is the 2nd greatest threat to our survival, only surpassed by environmental catastrophe.

If we get past those two there is little reason we cannot survive indefinitely. Or to the end of our stars lifetime, and we may be able to leave here, although I doubt that would be en mass.

This is one of the brightest chaps on here, and very well read too.

Keep it up

[kalsolarUK]

I totally agree...and for a long time now I have wondered about how certain Christians will be quite happy to alter their behaviour and act accordingly to bring about the fulfilment of certain end times prophecies. Frighteningly though - a big percentage of the real fundies are actually looking forward to it!! They can't wait for the shit to hit the fan so that Jesus can whisk them away to heaven.

[frphillipmullet]

Good job.

[bignastydragon]

love dilbert.

have you ever read the 'sword of truth' series? it's a fantasy series which makes prophecy a recurring theme. needless to say, self fulfilling prophecies are covered.

it's a complete series, which i highly recommend.

[aartvegan]

...and the stars shall fall to Earth.

[99minerkc]

aartvegan- And your brain shall fall on the floor!

[ricardas83]

self fulling prophecy made me laught. I imagine christians, standing and staring at the explosion of nuclear bombs and glorifying God, till their skins melt down and bodies frie up. Sad and funny story.

[dukeoforegon]

The last part about self fulfilling prophecy reminded me of the mindset of the APES in that movie "beneath the planet of the apes"

[TheLonePantheist]

Man, you hit the nail on the head, Deistpaladin!!!

I fear that they will purposely make computerized chips that will track us, out of some sort of psychological self fufillment of the biblical prophecy. I'm not saying this will happen, but just something to look out for.

If you nurture an idea long enough, it will get imbedded into our nature.

[777DLB]

I, too, have concerns about the self-fulfilling prophesies.

[SuperFlyNB]

I think that is one of the biggest fears of the non theist (deist or atheist) that the religious fundamentalist will make Armageddon happen.

[crazypills2]

Yes, just like one of those who think that Jesus said prophesied that President Obama is the anti-christ may attempt an assassination. It's a sad world.

[AuntieDiluvian]

Brilliant

[orpiment99]

Exactly!

[MarowakDidIt]

I love Dilbert too. X3

[ObsidianTeen]

"and that kind of prophecy scares me"

Because you go to Hell. If you simply repent and ask Jesus to come into your heart, your fear will be healed because Jesus will save you from the eternal flames of hell. Also, you'll go to heaven.

Same goes for all non-christians.

[myjizzureye]

Good lord that brought the nutters out the woodwork. Dude thats nutty, why cant he be scared Allah is going to bite his toes with scorpions or hit him with a big hammer? If your gonna make blanket nutty statements at least include other religions versions of eternal punishment. Seriously with Christians its all about you isn't it.

[EdwardHowton]

You really need to learn how to listen.

What's scary is that people like you see things written down and then go out and do their best to make it happen. Christians have a hard-on for the end of the world, because they believe they'll be raptured or go to heaven after they die. They don't care about the real world because to them it's not an important place. They're free to kill or terrorize whoever they want.

Hell isn't a real place, and not nearly as scary as you are.

[shehenazi]

ROFLMAO @ ObsidianTeen !1!!1!!!

[VeritasLiber]

Your're threatening a Deist with Christian Hell? Are you serious?

The point is it takes religion to make good people do bad things. Not everyone thinks Abraham was moral for agreeing to kill his own son just because god asked him to and Christians never include god in their list of those who commit genocide ebcause the big difference there was he was justified in killing nearly every living creature on the earth.

[Danmill23]

Pre-diction?

No

Post-diction!

[kukulza]

i'd bet my life that at some point. someone will use a WMD in an attempt to bring about the "second coming."

will it be a nuke? big Fing bomb? something we dunno yet? who knows. but i'm just hoping they decide to do it to the Middle East where all this bullshit forever stirs itself in its big ass pot of dumbass hate.

at least if they do it to the Middle East, none of the affected can complain. they followed the stupid scripture and its their fault for propagating such an insane prophecy.

[AntidoteY]

That's why action has to be taken NOW. We have to make sure that the dogmatic religious views do not pass on to subsequent generations. It's on us to drop the bullshit and not let our kids inherit it.

[DeistPaladin]

What does Kukulza mean, btw? It sounds like a god out of the Cthulu mythos.

[SuperFlyNB]

It is from the game StarCraft Brood War. In one of the creatures that happens to be a version of the zerg mutalisk..

[kukulza]

i don't know if they borrowed it from something or not, but Kukulza as i know it comes from the game Starcraft.

it's the hero name for the Mutalisk unit.

[bignastydragon]

while i do agree somewhat, many in the middle east would be victims of circumstance. they are raised in a culture where not following means death or ostracision. in my opinion it is likely held in this state by a minority. the majority are not blameless though as they, unwittingly, allow the minority this power.

[kukulza]

that's essentially true but it's true in the same way, tho, that any attempt to free North Korea from its bullshit is certainly not going to happen through the commoners

it's unfortunate that so many have been brianwashed and maybe even know they have but still have to keep up the act for fear of death. but there are only three options. let the Middle East continue forever, perform some kind of military action against their government, or perform the end times

[bignastydragon]

there is hope, the 'western world' was once the same. but i doubt it will arrive on its own.

the biggest sticking point is that the religious nuts have control over the education of the children.

another is that all who do break free are forced to flee the area or die. if they could stay they would have an impact on young kids, which over a few generations would cause a revelution.

[kukulza]

by "western world" i assume you mean the U.S.

I never really heard of South America or Canada being big religious zones (or at least not zones for radicals).

and there's a large difference between the U.S. and the Middle East. the U.S. was founded on freedom while "freedom" meant religious/male/white dominance of semi-your-choice.

once people started realizing that that certainly isn't freedom, they started to revolt. the ME is founded on absolute dominance as the only option. slightly diff.

[bignastydragon]

while the western world certainly now includes the US, i mean originally europe. religion still hold a level of dominance, yet education still prevailed over religion.

while other intollerences do exist, they can be separate from religion (even though religion itself promotes these intollerences).

[CHAS1422]

I always love the beginning of your videos. The holy scriptures & coded religious symbols collapse & nature (representing naturalism) is unvieled.

One thing stands clear is that these supposed prophecies the religious nuts make are ALL postdictions and NEVER predictions. They find a verse or phrase AFTER an event that obtusely and vaguely resembles the event, and call it a "prophecy". I urge them to try gleening a future event at a specific date, write the prophecy then seal in an envelope.

[Surhotchaperchlorome]

Ha!

A fellow Dilbert fan, eh? X3

[DeistPaladin]

I want to redo some of those older videos. My pacing has improved since then, I think. Per your request, I'll bump Thallus up on the cue. :)

[happyhappy85]

Love your videos very well done.

Not a believer in god i think the whole thing is absurd however you have proved that not all deists are morons

[myjizzureye]

Mmm bumping a Thallus up a cue sounds erotic (pinches nipples)