i remember wacthing this like 6 years age -.- and i only remember because i knew kayden,perry,alex,madison,maddy,and mady i know their names are kinda like.. ed edd and eddy :P
After finding this vid on accident about 3-4 days ago, I went out to the store...and found a double pack with American Tail and American Tail: Feivel Goes West on DVD!!! Totally bought it! Planning to watch it tonight
This song makes me wonder why blossom wasn't the lead for love makes the world go round. Yes I am a guy... yes past 18... No I'm not gay!... Yes I'm sure!!!
I always hated that cowboy saying "durn mouse!" and then shooting and Fievel. I could never hear Tanya sing about the girls that could fill up California part. Thanks for this! :D
DONT READ THIS BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKS.YOU WILL GET KISSED ON THE NEAREST FRIDAY BY THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE.TOMORROW WILL BE BE THE BEST DAY OF YOU LIFE. IF YOU DO NOT POST THIS COMMENT ON THREE VIDEOS YOU WILL DIE WITHIN TWO DAYS.NO.YOUVE ALREADY STARTED READING THIS SO DONT STOP. THIS IS SCARY.PUT THIS ON FIVE VIDEOS IN THE NEXT 143 MIN. WHEN YOUR DONE PRESS F6 AND YOUR LOVERS NAME APPEAR ON YOUR SCREEN IN BIG LETTERS. THIS IS SCARY CUZ IT ACTUALLY WORKS
The test animation I started at Amblin was later shown to Hollywood Road, an animation studio in Battersea, London, where a film called Freddy as FR07 was being made. The animation supervisor there called Tiger West [whose career stretched as far back as the 40s Tom & Jerry] said he would try me out as an animator [I was a failed INBETWEENER at Amblin, remember!] They said phone back in a few months. Sadly the sequel I could have animated on was cancelled due to disappointing reciepts on Freddy.
The same footage I started at Amblin was later sent into Hollywood Road, who had a studio in Battersea, London called Hollywood Road. The film there was called Freddy as FR07, and the animation consultant there called Tiger West [his career spanned back as far as the 40s MGM Tom & Jerrys] replied back saying he would be willing to try me out as an animator [remember I was a failed INBETWEENER at Amblin!] Sadly their film never done well, and the sequel I could have animated on got cancelled.
I was going into the studio to work on test drawings. One day I said 'hello' to the studio boss, and he made it clear he wasn't happy to see me: f'r chrissakes, I was only trying to better myself, and advance from lowly inbetweener status! Soon after I got sacked on a day's notice: they wouldn't even look at the test scene I had started [the same scene that an assistant mistook for actual animation]. It's like they just never wanted me on the crew, no matter how good my originals.
I must say I was in the minority, though: I loathed inbetweening, but most of the others never seemed to mind. I put this down to :
1] they never knew the joy of creating original 'toons from scratch, as I did.
2]They never had the confidence to attempt to animate.
I would be very interested to hear if any of the well-regarded inbetweeners of the 1990 Fievel period ever made it as an ANIMATOR by the end of Balto, 5 years later. [I can't recognize anyone 'making it' on the IMDB credits].
The time that the assistant Brenda mistook my roughs for the real deal was the only time I felt 'recognized' in this studio!
These roughs only took me about 5 minutes to draw, rather than the one hour [at least] on each inbetween....imagine what I could have done if all my time had been spent CREATING cartoons. Instead, I had a miserable time there, and nothing I observed in inbetweening is used by me in my cartoons I do today. But it's all done now, the nightmare is 20 years in the past.
I've never actually said I was BETTER than the animators employed there: some were as good as Disney. However I am saying I was working in a vaccuum where it was impossible to function, let alone flourish. I just would have liked the opportunity to have tried my best work. I never 'sucked' at inbetweening towards the end: I wasn't good at the start, though. I was never afraid to try and animate as good as the animators who were employed here.
Dusk, I'm certainly no better than others who worked there: I simply thought it was a wasted opportunity, the actual drawings done there were fantastic, and I would have loved to have gotten on there. I actually started a scene of original animation at the weekends. I drew some frames of Cat R Waul the suave cat, and an older assistant called Brenda picked up my pile of roughs and went: 'Wow! whose stuff's that?' She clearly mistook my roughs for professional animation.
- at someone's other work if they don't want to, especially if they're already well into producing something and need that person to focus on what they're being payed to do. You may wail about how you're so much better than the people they had making originals, but what if they'd swapped you for one of the creative people midway through? Surely you'd have a noticeable difference in art style, and the finished work would look disjointed as a result.
@DuskoftheTwilight The fact that this seasoned assistant mistook my originals-----of one of the movie's main characters----- for actual pro animation suggests that my drawings would have likely have fitted into the template of what the studio were putting out. I would have been happy enough to have drawn these characters from scratch, as they were good characters. It's not like I was an arty-farty pretentious 'artist' looking down on others.
@DuskoftheTwilight I actually think this is bad practice, the bosses having no apparant interest in looking at the test footage of their employees. There is always the chance there is an undiscovered genius in their midst [I'm not saying ME, maybe someone else] and to look at test stuff would only have taken seconds. I must say I find this attitude blinkered, backwards-looking, and prejudiced against the act of creativity itself.
WHY this studio was wanting to PAY me to produce lifeless tracings originated by others is patent madness.......surely PAYING an artist to produce their best work makes more sense?!
@rabsmiff The way that studio was structured, it seems clear that they needed a large number of people to do in-betweening. As you have proven in your comments, in-betweening and doing originals have vastly different skill sets (you're good at originals but sucked at in-betweening, others you worked with didn't have a creative bone in their body but knew how to in-between well). You were right to quit if they had you on a job you didn't want to do, but the studio is under no obligation to look -
@DuskoftheTwilight I will say that Fievel is a very good, accomplished movie, despite my unhappy time on it. It was great being able to see how cartoon movies were put together, a fascinating experience that I'm glad I saw. In many ways I'm glad I worked there, I just wish my time spent there could have been more productive for both myself and the studio. I bought the DVD at Woolworths about 8 years ago, and I've never played it, just too many painful memories. I aim to watch it sometime, though
Putting artists onto a system as factory-like as inbetweening can result in poor results, as I discovered. PAYING an artist for the dubious privelige of mucking up their drawings is a waste of studio resources as well as further waste of the potential and ability of the artist.
Morale can completely break up under such a limited regime.
If this studio never cared about originality, [as put forth by Dusk ofthe Twiight, ] then what on Earth were they doing, working in this creative field?
If, however, the only future I had in this studio was to be stuck on inbetweening, then yes, I was better off out of there, and so were they.
But I was under the impression the bosses were trying to build a studio and encourage advancement for the medium in general: there was no evidence of this anywhere I witnessed in the very heart of the studio.
The drawings given to me to 'inbetween' with were actually provided by assistants: and THEY were working on drawings provided to THEM by higher-up animators! The only real creative people here were the actual animators. To be fair though, some of the cleanup drawings done by the assistants I saw were very good indeed. I was stuck at the very bottom, where I was doing tracings that would have been no different if someone else took over my job! [other than being more nicely copied].
@rabsmiff Still, from what you're saying, they were paying you to in-between, which is something you neither wanted to do nor were particularly good at. And if they were paying you to in-between, I don't see any reason they would care for your original creations. If you call a plumber to fix your toilet, you don't want to see what he's done at the end of the day and see that he's constructed a perfectly good sink, but the toilet's still broken.
@DuskoftheTwilight But if the bosses won't even LOOK at the original drawings of a cartoonist, how are they going to discover if that artist is any good or not? It would have only taken the bosses a few seconds to look at an artist's best stuff. If the originals are truly bad, fair enough: sack him!
But if they won't look at an artist's stuff in the first place, they will never discover if that artist has true potential or not.
@DuskoftheTwilight you clearly believe in pidgeonholing people into specific 'groups'. Dusk, which is fine if you are working in a factory turning out baked beans.
But believe it or not, this studio would probably have regarded itself as a 'creative unit' in official hyperbole.
@DuskoftheTwilight If a plumber can't fix a broken toilet, but can construct a perfectly good sink, why doesn't his plumbing company put him onto fixing sinks??!!!!
People who can actually animate are a lot rarer than artists who simply embellish the drawings provided by others: however this accounted for little at this studio, at least during my short tenure there.
Towards the end of my time at this job, I was doing around 40 frames a week, which is what they required. I wasn't the best inbetweener by any means, but towards the end my stuff looked OK , certainly a lot nicer than the poor work I put out in the first half of my time there. This fact, coupled with the desire and ability of me being able to do originals was, nevertheless, not enough for me to hold onto my job here------more details on this coming up.
If the people who ran this studio simply wanted a cleanup army, [which seems to have been the case] they should have been more open and honest about. However, just coming out and saying this would have driven away true creative people, which I quite understand. Loads of people at my school were good at copying others; can they do good originals now? And what of the good inbetweeners at this studio: did any of them ever graduate to full animators? I've never heard of any making the grade.
Before I go any further in detailing the dire experiences I endured at the hands of the studio that put out 'Fievel Goes West', I quite understand you may regard me as a lousy artist, unfit to work in animation. All I can say is LOOK AT MY WEBSITE [there's a link on my channel page here on my profile] where you can see my cartoons. Why I was regarded so poorly by the bosses of this studio in light of being able to do originals, and not copies, remains something of a mystery.
@rabsmiff It sounds to me like you didn't understand the job they had you doing. The job of an in-betweener isn't to be creative, it's to take two exiting images (created by the guy who IS being paid to be creative), and create additional frames between those two to create the illusion of movement. It's a job where being quick and accurate is important, but creativity doesn't mean jack. It seems clear from your story that your bosses didn't want you on the creative staff, they wanted you doing -
@DuskoftheTwilight - Inbetweens, they were paying you to do inbetweens, and they regarded your less creative peers more highly because they were BETTER AT DOING THE JOB YOU WERE BEING PAYED TO DO. There was no room for you to be creating originals, and that look of "despair" was the result of you going up to your boss and telling him that you are refusing to do your job, I'm surprised they didn't just fire you right there for that. tl:dr, you value your creativity, it didn't matter in that job.
@DuskoftheTwilight I at no point ever refused to do these inbetweens, Dusk: but people who are good at copying [which is what inbetweening is] are ten-a-penny, and the craft of animation would never have evolved past the stickman stage if everyone was just copying everyone else. Advancement in animation requires experiment and trying out new things. Walt Disney said; 'by trying out things and seeing how they worked; that's how anyone ever got ahead in this place'.
Looking at the credits list on Balto on IMDB, I can see at least one name where an inbetweener on Fievel was still inbetweening FIVE YEARS LATER! Maybe this guy never had a creative bone in his body, and maybe he was perfectly happy rendering the drawings provided by others. But when I look at a trad-drawn animation cels I admire, it's the creativity provided by the animator I respect. Cleanup elements have nothing to do with the creative process: it's a factory-like approach.
The chronic lack of creativity offered to me by this studio made me very unhappy. I was obviously regarded as one of the worst artists in the entire studio, despite I had drawn to pro-level for the UK comics firm, DCT. No other inbetweeners [my equals] I met come up with any decent original cartoons I ever saw, but because they were good at copying, they were higher regarded than I was. I always found it odd that originality was frowned upon within a creative outlet such as this.
I was so fed up doing these inbetweens, I done a quick test of original roughs, about 12 , and showed them to the studio boss. He dismissed them outright saying; 'I don't have an opening for that. I need people on FX'. I said OK, but after looking at some examples of FX, it looked more like maths than creative work. I reported back to the boss, saying no thanks, I'will stick to characters. You ought to have seen the look of despair on his face----this was the moment I realized all was lost here.
I just looked at a couple of clips of 'We're Back' and 'Balto' and they don't look as good as 'fievel'. However, I only saw the clips on small screens with grainy resolution, maybe they were much better up on the big screen. But the production values looked less impressive than Fievel. There's no real advancement from Fievel I can see, no real serious competition to Disney of the same period. None of these characters became household names apart from Fievel & co. Doesn't look like I missed much
Like anywhere else, there were some decent people who worked there, and a German assistant [he was abrasive, but I did learn from him] showed me the virtue of flipping the paper drawings, which made the drawings more enjoyable. Slowly, the method of doing these inbetweens became tolerable, though it was never anywhere as vital or inventive as doing cartoon drawings from scratch [I had previously spent 4 years penciling and inking originals for D C Thomson, the UK comics publishers.
The excruciating agony of doing these static, lifeless inbetweens took it's toll: after about 3 months of this, and one day it was so bad, I practically walked off the job. I even went outside for a long walk on a beautiful summer day for over an hour-----nobody ever noticed. I regained my calm and resolved to solve this crisis: these worthless tracing-drawings were just sub-par offerings, I was fed-up doing them, although I had speeded up considerably after a while, nearer 40 frames a week.
I offered to provide original drawings for them in a fraction of the time, but they said 'no', I have to do these inbetween tracing-drawings, it was clear that original cartoon drawings was discouraged. It was obvious I was trapped in a dead-end scenario, but I tried to make the most of it, and try and give them what they wanted, these mechanical tracing-drawings, which I found boring and tedious to work on. You were expected to do one of these tracing drawings per hour, and I worked towards it.
All that I was ever required to do in this studio was to acurately trace between existing drawings, provided by senior artists. Early on it took about three hours to do one frame! Why they wanted this I don't know, and shockingly, in the height of a London heatwave in 1990, I was working 70 hours a week, but only doing about 19 of these 'inbetweens' as they were called. Eventually I was called into the office by the Production Manager. They said I had a good attitude but was 'very slow'.
On my very first day at the animation studio [it was packed, about 300 worked on the drawings , maybe more] I actually tried to animate something as soon as I sat down. One of the guys in charge [I won't name him] asked what I was doing. 'Im trying to make these drawings move,' I replied. 'I can see what you're trying to do, but you have to do this', he replied. I was given two drawings and I had to trace accurately between them. 'Where's the fun in that,' I thought. Sadly, this was the future!
The feature put out by Amblin following this was 'We're Back'. I never saw this but I was in the studio when the early sketches were projected for the crew. It just looked weird stuff. I saw the trailer only at the cinema: it looked beautifully-drawn but poorly-concieved. 'We're Back' done poorly apparantly, and I've no desire to seek it out. I do remember seeing a whiteboard with suggestions for a different title: 'sensible suggestions only, please!'
The animation studio here used to employ a guy whose job it was to pester artists and speed up production. The guy who done this wasn't an artist, he was hired as an irritant. I remember one young guy [a twin, I won't name him] phoning me on the internal line telling me to ignore this er, gent, and tell him to 'clear off'. Although the term 'clear off' probably wasn't an accurate use of his words......I just remember seeing this 'irritant guy' trying to draw, [someone asked him] he was unable.
I remember working on inbetweens of the Tanya character during production.....the production co-ordinator made it clear he never wanted me working on the scene, and ordered me to speed up-----you don't draw a delicate character like this quickly, and the result was a real mess. The whole pile of drawings were returned for improvement.
@jakotsusoulmate if u mean from the powerpuff girls then yes...that was a good show...it's sad they stopped making it they should continue it...yeah it was on air for ten years but who cares about that it was good show that everyone loved and or still loves...it deserves to be continued...
As much as I like this song, I really, REALLY find the singing distant and ... cold ... especially the male chorus when compared to the Spanish or Italian dub of the song.
If i become a host for the Oscars in the future after succeeding in movie making, I want to bring this song including other old songs with new ones for a random musical skit. That will be great. I need a female singer for this song while I can be a random dancer who dances with her.
@zuziako Thanks! I am doing well in script writing. I am writing a script for a movie called Ranger Rad. I plan to get this produced by someone. I was thinking of doing a voice-over for one of the characters named Lash, a lethal servant of the main villain.
@Lepper36 That makes no sense hun , All I do is draw Creachers like these and class myself as " furry" how is that taking it to a next step in creepy? I like what I like , I like these cartoons I like Drawing cartoon like animals in more of a human form and I use one to Represent me , It's just as creepy as Big Anime Fans
@Lepper36 So? don't like something deal with it because It's not going to Vanish just because you don't like it and It's not creepy because you say it is you are not The king/queen of the world you know
@fallenangel12111 people like u deserve more thumbs ups than this Lepper36 guy! cause i agree with u. apparently, he doesnt remember that one of the reasons of life is to be who we are and enjoy ourselves ^^. and im a furry as well
@TheFamguy1337 awwww That's soo sweet ^.^ Us furries are seen the wrong way but people will never see that as they are to blind with there own self pride
@Lepper36 Us Furries don't , We live in houses , we go on computer , we eat normal food , so What If we draw ourselves as animals? That doesn't mean we go have a shit in the moods and run around going " I'M A WOLF I'M A WOLF AROOOOOOO!!" ¬.¬ People have the wrong impression of furries , we just like to draw/role play or Dress up as animals for FUN , Are we not aloud to have Fun? Are we not aloud to be silly? Are we not aloud to do the fuck we want in our own homes?
@fallenangel12111 EXACTLY!!! and to Lepper, dont be such a troll and stop arguing to furries! if u dont like the furry community, then fine. but just leave us alone and let us be!
@TheFamguy1337 People can not see the fact's they just see the Fetish , yiff and all that crap isnt what furry is about it's about being silly and having fun
BEST 1MINUTE 38 SECONDS IN MY DAY
0108355 5 days ago
Anyone else gettin up and wanting to dance?
bigoldinosaur 1 week ago 6
Hope you see her someday
Hope I find my way
Back to the girl I left behind...
My favorite verse :)
HumanTarget211 1 week ago
:D I have not seen this movie since my childhood! This has made my whole day! Thank you for uploading this!
fruitsbasketissweet 2 weeks ago 9
i remember wacthing this like 6 years age -.- and i only remember because i knew kayden,perry,alex,madison,maddy,and mady i know their names are kinda like.. ed edd and eddy :P
IloveMycomputer2010 2 weeks ago
Ladies and gentlemen, my sexual awakening
Wyrmknave 2 weeks ago 6
After finding this vid on accident about 3-4 days ago, I went out to the store...and found a double pack with American Tail and American Tail: Feivel Goes West on DVD!!! Totally bought it! Planning to watch it tonight
DudettRin101 2 weeks ago
I haven't seen this movie in forever!
GodsGirl530 2 weeks ago
Recently rediscovered this movie. Now I can't get enough of it. Or this song.
...What's that? You say it's sung by Cathy "Blossom" Cavadini? BONUS!
AnimeOtaku999 3 weeks ago
The memories!
Wait, Tanya is the voice of Blossom? I never realised that!
Atheneastro 1 month ago 10
finally a version of this song without all that crashing and banging and yelling from the spider and other mouse in the background!!
AliceElphabaWonka 1 month ago 6
I love this movie just because James Stewart is in it!!!!! <3
MellaBella87 1 month ago
Blossom Singing!!!!!
jamespic 1 month ago
Man I missed this song, I haven't hear this song for a long time when I was a kid.
marlinmartin035 1 month ago 7
Blossom, she's commander and the leader....oh wait, nope she's the older sister in this one. My bad.
cakecrumb095 1 month ago 7
Twelve people's partners went roaming. Seriously how can you dislike this song?
MsDaniiGurl 1 month ago 7
i swear we wont go roaming:)
peaceandloveandhope1 1 month ago
I pride myself on remembering old animated gems and even I forgot this one.
AMVslowking 2 months ago 8
Too cute!
1f5sda 2 months ago
GIVE 'EM THE LAZY EYE
Iheartdogdemons 2 months ago 9
I always love the ending showdown wiley urp always makes me laugh when i was a kid.
kongchho 2 months ago
Swear you Won't Go roamin!
jensenismyhottie 2 months ago
This was the best out of the series, though I do like the first one as well.
Grizzbear1212 2 months ago
IT'S BLOSSOM FROM THE POWERPUFF GIRLS!!!
YourEveryDayGirl16 2 months ago 10
Cahty Cavadini has a real pretty voice
eddievaliant1 2 months ago 3
@eddievaliant1 Yes indeed!
1f5sda 2 months ago
Used to love watching this movie when I was a kid grate song
OllyJ6431 3 months ago
lol it's the voice of blossom in ppg
des310live 3 months ago 3
great movie. Great song. Don Bluth really made some pretty decent movies.
19TimiT91 3 months ago 5
wow, this song is pretty good. kind of reminds me of the Pogues' version of "Waxies' Dargle"
johnnyt471 3 months ago
@johnnyt471 aaron copland style
johnnyt471 3 months ago
@johnnyt471 aaron copland style
johnnyt471 3 months ago
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@johnnyt471 aaron copland style
johnnyt471 3 months ago
This song is catchy!
I found it hilarious when Kevin Pereira referenced this film on AOTS (though it was probably just in the script...).
chaowalker 3 months ago
This song makes me wonder why blossom wasn't the lead for love makes the world go round. Yes I am a guy... yes past 18... No I'm not gay!... Yes I'm sure!!!
numba1spartan 3 months ago 5
@numba1spartan I'm turning 18 tomorrow...I COULDN'T AGREE MORE!!!!!
Logitech667 3 months ago
Holy heck! I havent seen this movie is forever! So many memories.
gigante1593 3 months ago
what genre of music would this be considered?
ZenkiUltima 4 months ago
@ZenkiUltima western
destinyislandgirl 3 months ago
@destinyislandgirl yay ive been answered thank you :D
ZenkiUltima 3 months ago
CHILDHOOD
UnReDeadish 4 months ago
Same deepeye V
TaylorRocks1121 4 months ago
Since I discover that she is dubbed by Cathy Cavadini, I just image Blossom singing this
DeepEye1994 4 months ago
Can you upload Way out west please.
1993joshualiu 4 months ago
This is just one of those songs that keeps ringing in my head from time to time... about 12 years since I last seen the movie.
tstob46 4 months ago 4
@tstob46 I KNOW RIGHT?
SwordofSouls 4 months ago
I always hated that cowboy saying "durn mouse!" and then shooting and Fievel. I could never hear Tanya sing about the girls that could fill up California part. Thanks for this! :D
Adylure 4 months ago
an american tail movies are the best of all time
777Albatross 4 months ago 84
i wish someone had the original clip if and body knows where i can find it let me know
hallowgirl1 4 months ago
10 people should be given the Flying Ahhh.... I love the Flying Ahhh. >:3
Jonishan 4 months ago 2
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DONT READ THIS BECAUSE IT ACTUALLY WORKS.YOU WILL GET KISSED ON THE NEAREST FRIDAY BY THE LOVE OF YOUR LIFE.TOMORROW WILL BE BE THE BEST DAY OF YOU LIFE. IF YOU DO NOT POST THIS COMMENT ON THREE VIDEOS YOU WILL DIE WITHIN TWO DAYS.NO.YOUVE ALREADY STARTED READING THIS SO DONT STOP. THIS IS SCARY.PUT THIS ON FIVE VIDEOS IN THE NEXT 143 MIN. WHEN YOUR DONE PRESS F6 AND YOUR LOVERS NAME APPEAR ON YOUR SCREEN IN BIG LETTERS. THIS IS SCARY CUZ IT ACTUALLY WORKS
emomonkey1995 4 months ago
I like when she say "California" ! <3
toad10000000 4 months ago
SO CATCHY
willzahk 5 months ago
This brings back so many memories of my childhood...
YuckyAppleTree 5 months ago 2
Ahahah I still know the lyrics xD
Kesssh91 5 months ago
"The inky dinky spider saw a mouse in it's web. The inky dinky spider BIT OFF THE MOUSE'S HEAD!" *perfume spray* "I'm in paiiinnnn."
Ankh117 5 months ago 252
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I still watch this movie on VHS
PeggyJean92 5 months ago
Wow someone's butthurt.
Loved this movie, so much nostalgia, so great.
MKtsundere 5 months ago
The test animation I started at Amblin was later shown to Hollywood Road, an animation studio in Battersea, London, where a film called Freddy as FR07 was being made. The animation supervisor there called Tiger West [whose career stretched as far back as the 40s Tom & Jerry] said he would try me out as an animator [I was a failed INBETWEENER at Amblin, remember!] They said phone back in a few months. Sadly the sequel I could have animated on was cancelled due to disappointing reciepts on Freddy.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
The same footage I started at Amblin was later sent into Hollywood Road, who had a studio in Battersea, London called Hollywood Road. The film there was called Freddy as FR07, and the animation consultant there called Tiger West [his career spanned back as far as the 40s MGM Tom & Jerrys] replied back saying he would be willing to try me out as an animator [remember I was a failed INBETWEENER at Amblin!] Sadly their film never done well, and the sequel I could have animated on got cancelled.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
I was going into the studio to work on test drawings. One day I said 'hello' to the studio boss, and he made it clear he wasn't happy to see me: f'r chrissakes, I was only trying to better myself, and advance from lowly inbetweener status! Soon after I got sacked on a day's notice: they wouldn't even look at the test scene I had started [the same scene that an assistant mistook for actual animation]. It's like they just never wanted me on the crew, no matter how good my originals.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
I'm a furry and I love Tanya
Alphahumphrey2011 6 months ago
The only bad thing about this song: Too damn short.
EvilCleric 6 months ago 7
I must say I was in the minority, though: I loathed inbetweening, but most of the others never seemed to mind. I put this down to :
1] they never knew the joy of creating original 'toons from scratch, as I did.
2]They never had the confidence to attempt to animate.
I would be very interested to hear if any of the well-regarded inbetweeners of the 1990 Fievel period ever made it as an ANIMATOR by the end of Balto, 5 years later. [I can't recognize anyone 'making it' on the IMDB credits].
rabsmiff 6 months ago
The time that the assistant Brenda mistook my roughs for the real deal was the only time I felt 'recognized' in this studio!
These roughs only took me about 5 minutes to draw, rather than the one hour [at least] on each inbetween....imagine what I could have done if all my time had been spent CREATING cartoons. Instead, I had a miserable time there, and nothing I observed in inbetweening is used by me in my cartoons I do today. But it's all done now, the nightmare is 20 years in the past.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
I've never actually said I was BETTER than the animators employed there: some were as good as Disney. However I am saying I was working in a vaccuum where it was impossible to function, let alone flourish. I just would have liked the opportunity to have tried my best work. I never 'sucked' at inbetweening towards the end: I wasn't good at the start, though. I was never afraid to try and animate as good as the animators who were employed here.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
Dusk, I'm certainly no better than others who worked there: I simply thought it was a wasted opportunity, the actual drawings done there were fantastic, and I would have loved to have gotten on there. I actually started a scene of original animation at the weekends. I drew some frames of Cat R Waul the suave cat, and an older assistant called Brenda picked up my pile of roughs and went: 'Wow! whose stuff's that?' She clearly mistook my roughs for professional animation.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
- at someone's other work if they don't want to, especially if they're already well into producing something and need that person to focus on what they're being payed to do. You may wail about how you're so much better than the people they had making originals, but what if they'd swapped you for one of the creative people midway through? Surely you'd have a noticeable difference in art style, and the finished work would look disjointed as a result.
DuskoftheTwilight 6 months ago
@DuskoftheTwilight The fact that this seasoned assistant mistook my originals-----of one of the movie's main characters----- for actual pro animation suggests that my drawings would have likely have fitted into the template of what the studio were putting out. I would have been happy enough to have drawn these characters from scratch, as they were good characters. It's not like I was an arty-farty pretentious 'artist' looking down on others.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
@DuskoftheTwilight I actually think this is bad practice, the bosses having no apparant interest in looking at the test footage of their employees. There is always the chance there is an undiscovered genius in their midst [I'm not saying ME, maybe someone else] and to look at test stuff would only have taken seconds. I must say I find this attitude blinkered, backwards-looking, and prejudiced against the act of creativity itself.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
WHY this studio was wanting to PAY me to produce lifeless tracings originated by others is patent madness.......surely PAYING an artist to produce their best work makes more sense?!
rabsmiff 6 months ago
@rabsmiff The way that studio was structured, it seems clear that they needed a large number of people to do in-betweening. As you have proven in your comments, in-betweening and doing originals have vastly different skill sets (you're good at originals but sucked at in-betweening, others you worked with didn't have a creative bone in their body but knew how to in-between well). You were right to quit if they had you on a job you didn't want to do, but the studio is under no obligation to look -
DuskoftheTwilight 6 months ago
@DuskoftheTwilight I will say that Fievel is a very good, accomplished movie, despite my unhappy time on it. It was great being able to see how cartoon movies were put together, a fascinating experience that I'm glad I saw. In many ways I'm glad I worked there, I just wish my time spent there could have been more productive for both myself and the studio. I bought the DVD at Woolworths about 8 years ago, and I've never played it, just too many painful memories. I aim to watch it sometime, though
rabsmiff 6 months ago
Putting artists onto a system as factory-like as inbetweening can result in poor results, as I discovered. PAYING an artist for the dubious privelige of mucking up their drawings is a waste of studio resources as well as further waste of the potential and ability of the artist.
Morale can completely break up under such a limited regime.
If this studio never cared about originality, [as put forth by Dusk ofthe Twiight, ] then what on Earth were they doing, working in this creative field?
rabsmiff 6 months ago
If, however, the only future I had in this studio was to be stuck on inbetweening, then yes, I was better off out of there, and so were they.
But I was under the impression the bosses were trying to build a studio and encourage advancement for the medium in general: there was no evidence of this anywhere I witnessed in the very heart of the studio.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
The drawings given to me to 'inbetween' with were actually provided by assistants: and THEY were working on drawings provided to THEM by higher-up animators! The only real creative people here were the actual animators. To be fair though, some of the cleanup drawings done by the assistants I saw were very good indeed. I was stuck at the very bottom, where I was doing tracings that would have been no different if someone else took over my job! [other than being more nicely copied].
rabsmiff 6 months ago
@rabsmiff Still, from what you're saying, they were paying you to in-between, which is something you neither wanted to do nor were particularly good at. And if they were paying you to in-between, I don't see any reason they would care for your original creations. If you call a plumber to fix your toilet, you don't want to see what he's done at the end of the day and see that he's constructed a perfectly good sink, but the toilet's still broken.
DuskoftheTwilight 6 months ago
@DuskoftheTwilight But if the bosses won't even LOOK at the original drawings of a cartoonist, how are they going to discover if that artist is any good or not? It would have only taken the bosses a few seconds to look at an artist's best stuff. If the originals are truly bad, fair enough: sack him!
But if they won't look at an artist's stuff in the first place, they will never discover if that artist has true potential or not.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
@DuskoftheTwilight you clearly believe in pidgeonholing people into specific 'groups'. Dusk, which is fine if you are working in a factory turning out baked beans.
But believe it or not, this studio would probably have regarded itself as a 'creative unit' in official hyperbole.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
@DuskoftheTwilight If a plumber can't fix a broken toilet, but can construct a perfectly good sink, why doesn't his plumbing company put him onto fixing sinks??!!!!
rabsmiff 6 months ago
People who can actually animate are a lot rarer than artists who simply embellish the drawings provided by others: however this accounted for little at this studio, at least during my short tenure there.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
Towards the end of my time at this job, I was doing around 40 frames a week, which is what they required. I wasn't the best inbetweener by any means, but towards the end my stuff looked OK , certainly a lot nicer than the poor work I put out in the first half of my time there. This fact, coupled with the desire and ability of me being able to do originals was, nevertheless, not enough for me to hold onto my job here------more details on this coming up.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
If the people who ran this studio simply wanted a cleanup army, [which seems to have been the case] they should have been more open and honest about. However, just coming out and saying this would have driven away true creative people, which I quite understand. Loads of people at my school were good at copying others; can they do good originals now? And what of the good inbetweeners at this studio: did any of them ever graduate to full animators? I've never heard of any making the grade.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
How did I go from DBZ to PPG to this!?
CrimsonVermillioneye 6 months ago
Before I go any further in detailing the dire experiences I endured at the hands of the studio that put out 'Fievel Goes West', I quite understand you may regard me as a lousy artist, unfit to work in animation. All I can say is LOOK AT MY WEBSITE [there's a link on my channel page here on my profile] where you can see my cartoons. Why I was regarded so poorly by the bosses of this studio in light of being able to do originals, and not copies, remains something of a mystery.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
@rabsmiff It sounds to me like you didn't understand the job they had you doing. The job of an in-betweener isn't to be creative, it's to take two exiting images (created by the guy who IS being paid to be creative), and create additional frames between those two to create the illusion of movement. It's a job where being quick and accurate is important, but creativity doesn't mean jack. It seems clear from your story that your bosses didn't want you on the creative staff, they wanted you doing -
DuskoftheTwilight 6 months ago
@DuskoftheTwilight - Inbetweens, they were paying you to do inbetweens, and they regarded your less creative peers more highly because they were BETTER AT DOING THE JOB YOU WERE BEING PAYED TO DO. There was no room for you to be creating originals, and that look of "despair" was the result of you going up to your boss and telling him that you are refusing to do your job, I'm surprised they didn't just fire you right there for that. tl:dr, you value your creativity, it didn't matter in that job.
DuskoftheTwilight 6 months ago
@DuskoftheTwilight I at no point ever refused to do these inbetweens, Dusk: but people who are good at copying [which is what inbetweening is] are ten-a-penny, and the craft of animation would never have evolved past the stickman stage if everyone was just copying everyone else. Advancement in animation requires experiment and trying out new things. Walt Disney said; 'by trying out things and seeing how they worked; that's how anyone ever got ahead in this place'.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
Looking at the credits list on Balto on IMDB, I can see at least one name where an inbetweener on Fievel was still inbetweening FIVE YEARS LATER! Maybe this guy never had a creative bone in his body, and maybe he was perfectly happy rendering the drawings provided by others. But when I look at a trad-drawn animation cels I admire, it's the creativity provided by the animator I respect. Cleanup elements have nothing to do with the creative process: it's a factory-like approach.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
The chronic lack of creativity offered to me by this studio made me very unhappy. I was obviously regarded as one of the worst artists in the entire studio, despite I had drawn to pro-level for the UK comics firm, DCT. No other inbetweeners [my equals] I met come up with any decent original cartoons I ever saw, but because they were good at copying, they were higher regarded than I was. I always found it odd that originality was frowned upon within a creative outlet such as this.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
I was so fed up doing these inbetweens, I done a quick test of original roughs, about 12 , and showed them to the studio boss. He dismissed them outright saying; 'I don't have an opening for that. I need people on FX'. I said OK, but after looking at some examples of FX, it looked more like maths than creative work. I reported back to the boss, saying no thanks, I'will stick to characters. You ought to have seen the look of despair on his face----this was the moment I realized all was lost here.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
I just looked at a couple of clips of 'We're Back' and 'Balto' and they don't look as good as 'fievel'. However, I only saw the clips on small screens with grainy resolution, maybe they were much better up on the big screen. But the production values looked less impressive than Fievel. There's no real advancement from Fievel I can see, no real serious competition to Disney of the same period. None of these characters became household names apart from Fievel & co. Doesn't look like I missed much
rabsmiff 6 months ago
Like anywhere else, there were some decent people who worked there, and a German assistant [he was abrasive, but I did learn from him] showed me the virtue of flipping the paper drawings, which made the drawings more enjoyable. Slowly, the method of doing these inbetweens became tolerable, though it was never anywhere as vital or inventive as doing cartoon drawings from scratch [I had previously spent 4 years penciling and inking originals for D C Thomson, the UK comics publishers.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
The excruciating agony of doing these static, lifeless inbetweens took it's toll: after about 3 months of this, and one day it was so bad, I practically walked off the job. I even went outside for a long walk on a beautiful summer day for over an hour-----nobody ever noticed. I regained my calm and resolved to solve this crisis: these worthless tracing-drawings were just sub-par offerings, I was fed-up doing them, although I had speeded up considerably after a while, nearer 40 frames a week.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
I offered to provide original drawings for them in a fraction of the time, but they said 'no', I have to do these inbetween tracing-drawings, it was clear that original cartoon drawings was discouraged. It was obvious I was trapped in a dead-end scenario, but I tried to make the most of it, and try and give them what they wanted, these mechanical tracing-drawings, which I found boring and tedious to work on. You were expected to do one of these tracing drawings per hour, and I worked towards it.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
All that I was ever required to do in this studio was to acurately trace between existing drawings, provided by senior artists. Early on it took about three hours to do one frame! Why they wanted this I don't know, and shockingly, in the height of a London heatwave in 1990, I was working 70 hours a week, but only doing about 19 of these 'inbetweens' as they were called. Eventually I was called into the office by the Production Manager. They said I had a good attitude but was 'very slow'.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
On my very first day at the animation studio [it was packed, about 300 worked on the drawings , maybe more] I actually tried to animate something as soon as I sat down. One of the guys in charge [I won't name him] asked what I was doing. 'Im trying to make these drawings move,' I replied. 'I can see what you're trying to do, but you have to do this', he replied. I was given two drawings and I had to trace accurately between them. 'Where's the fun in that,' I thought. Sadly, this was the future!
rabsmiff 6 months ago
The feature put out by Amblin following this was 'We're Back'. I never saw this but I was in the studio when the early sketches were projected for the crew. It just looked weird stuff. I saw the trailer only at the cinema: it looked beautifully-drawn but poorly-concieved. 'We're Back' done poorly apparantly, and I've no desire to seek it out. I do remember seeing a whiteboard with suggestions for a different title: 'sensible suggestions only, please!'
rabsmiff 6 months ago
The animation studio here used to employ a guy whose job it was to pester artists and speed up production. The guy who done this wasn't an artist, he was hired as an irritant. I remember one young guy [a twin, I won't name him] phoning me on the internal line telling me to ignore this er, gent, and tell him to 'clear off'. Although the term 'clear off' probably wasn't an accurate use of his words......I just remember seeing this 'irritant guy' trying to draw, [someone asked him] he was unable.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
I remember working on inbetweens of the Tanya character during production.....the production co-ordinator made it clear he never wanted me working on the scene, and ordered me to speed up-----you don't draw a delicate character like this quickly, and the result was a real mess. The whole pile of drawings were returned for improvement.
rabsmiff 6 months ago
now this takes me back
tapeafriend 6 months ago
This movie made me want to fuck a mouse....
Doomy23 6 months ago
man when your child hood caches up with you *sings along*
sume555 6 months ago
this movie made me wanna be a dancer and a cowgirl
lejasper996 7 months ago 2
8 people didn't have a girl to leave behind.
Selvokaz 7 months ago 56
She sounds like a young Dolly Parton.
weirdaljedifan2 7 months ago
@weirdaljedifan2 you are wrong,sir
MsAgentjamie 6 months ago
@MsAgentjamie That was a compliment. Though I do retract my statement.
weirdaljedifan2 6 months ago
@weirdaljedifan2 i do appreciate that.
MsAgentjamie 6 months ago
Nowhere near as moving as the first and completely different in tone, but a fun sequel in its own right :)
DakNJaxter 7 months ago
@AlbertWesker201 you know this is a sequel right?
PrpleLitenin379 7 months ago 2
@PrpleLitenin379 There were also two direct-to-video sequels after this one.
LudaChris06 7 months ago
Oh cute cute childhood.. i love it when you catch up <3
Shizuization 8 months ago 2
I want a sequel to this movie
AlbertWesker201 8 months ago
Where can i download this song for my ipod?
teedog67 8 months ago
@teedog67 you could use zamzar to convert into mp3
friendofthejawas 8 months ago
i wish someone would make a 'with lyrics' vid for this.
KibaIsMine1 8 months ago in playlist An Electrical Music Street IX
this song is so catchy! :)
missmidnightroses 8 months ago
thumbs up if you're imaginging that blossom is singing this song :)
1990Thunderbolt 9 months ago
MILF (mouse i'd like to...). anyone else with me??
alahossain 9 months ago 4
@alahossain booya :)
anonymous549 9 months ago
The itsy bitsy spider caught a mouse in its web.
The itsy bitsy spider....Bit off the Mouses Head!
LOL I remember that part XD
Renkel76 9 months ago 4
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEEEEEE IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I SOOOO want the soundtrack!!!
PLEASE NEVER DELETE IT!!!!!!!!!
vintageadsandmore 9 months ago
The Nostalgia!!
It Buuurrnnss!!
YorkJonhson 9 months ago 79
@YorkJonhson MY EYES!!!!!!!!!!!
wolfpackflt670 9 months ago 2
DURN MOUSE! *fires revolver*
kojikatsuya 9 months ago 5
Love the song, hate the picture!
You need to work the picture quality!
Oh btw, where can I find an mp3 of this song?
trainguy456 9 months ago
I love this song! This was my favorite song from the movie when I was a kid. Does anyone know where I can get the mp3?
styxundstonz 10 months ago
slut
andresrojas22 10 months ago
Come here! Come here!
D-urn MOUSE! ( click ) *bang* *bang* *bang*
BUGGER FACE! *bang*
Retrofanatic10 10 months ago
Everyday I saw this at the YMCA camp and it was always this movie. It was like this was the only movie! But still great movie
Trix78415 10 months ago
8 people left their girls behind.
Surenity 10 months ago
I remember when i was little this was like my favorite song! haha
TheGardians 10 months ago
IT'S BLOSSOM!!!! :D Lol! Same voice actress! :)
buggyMCbugpants 10 months ago
I'd sing this song all day <3
MaliciousMillz 10 months ago 2
I'm surprised this is the only video of this song on youtube I can find.
Sivart343 10 months ago 8
this gets stuck in my head all the friggin' time.... xD
tumeke543 11 months ago
were have i heard that voice from before...it was something on cartoon network...but what?
KaiserGray94 11 months ago
@KaiserGray94 XD u probably know its blossom
jakotsusoulmate 11 months ago
@jakotsusoulmate if u mean from the powerpuff girls then yes...that was a good show...it's sad they stopped making it they should continue it...yeah it was on air for ten years but who cares about that it was good show that everyone loved and or still loves...it deserves to be continued...
KaiserGray94 11 months ago
6 people are cats...that didn't get mouse burgers...lol
Momotaro0024 11 months ago 85
@Momotaro0024 And got round up by The Dog, Tiger. xD
kyyakawaii 7 months ago
6 people unfortanately didnt grow up in the 90's
trojangirl246 11 months ago 7
Im going to make a video cover of this song with live actors, and me as Tanya.... I'm a guy.
This isn't quite as good without the "itsy bitsy spider" part, but still awesome
BillaWoh 11 months ago 2
in her journey to become a famous singer she becomes a saloon girl -sadness-
Ireallylovetodance 11 months ago
I love this movie an this song.
anyse18 11 months ago
the musical accompaniment behind this is really impressive! and cathy's voice is adorable.
lolita24601 11 months ago
As much as I like this song, I really, REALLY find the singing distant and ... cold ... especially the male chorus when compared to the Spanish or Italian dub of the song.
Still real nice song.
CStriker421 1 year ago
Natalie Portman might be a great singer and I imagine her singing this song.
Tyronor 1 year ago
If i become a host for the Oscars in the future after succeeding in movie making, I want to bring this song including other old songs with new ones for a random musical skit. That will be great. I need a female singer for this song while I can be a random dancer who dances with her.
Tyronor 1 year ago
@Tyronor
Now, I don't even know if you are even remotely good at movie making, but, maaan, I want you to host the Oscars!
zuziako 1 year ago
@zuziako Thanks! I am doing well in script writing. I am writing a script for a movie called Ranger Rad. I plan to get this produced by someone. I was thinking of doing a voice-over for one of the characters named Lash, a lethal servant of the main villain.
Tyronor 1 year ago
@HELIXG1 Actually, it was pretty obvious that Cat R. Waul like liked Tanya.
RustyPete12 1 year ago 3
Furries... Furries everywhere in our childhoods. .-.
Lepper36 1 year ago 139
@Lepper36 It's a wonder most of us made it out without a fetish.
shonenjumpfan 1 year ago 7
@shonenjumpfan I know, with all the 'sexy' female animals in all these kids movies. theyre probably responsible for the whole Furry thing
CookieKitsune 1 year ago 6
@Lepper36 'Tis why we are furries in our adulthood, friend. Just accept it - We've all been Furries, our entire lives!
juggalojack13 9 months ago
@Lepper36 And why do people hate us? when you all loved what we love when you were kids?
fallenangel12111 8 months ago
@fallenangel12111 You take it to the next step in creepy. Talking animals is cute and all, but they start living our lives, it starts getting creepy.
Lepper36 8 months ago
@Lepper36 That makes no sense hun , All I do is draw Creachers like these and class myself as " furry" how is that taking it to a next step in creepy? I like what I like , I like these cartoons I like Drawing cartoon like animals in more of a human form and I use one to Represent me , It's just as creepy as Big Anime Fans
fallenangel12111 8 months ago
@fallenangel12111 Never said I liked them either. And don't call me hun.
Lepper36 8 months ago
@Lepper36 So? don't like something deal with it because It's not going to Vanish just because you don't like it and It's not creepy because you say it is you are not The king/queen of the world you know
and I call everyone hun
fallenangel12111 8 months ago
@fallenangel12111 people like u deserve more thumbs ups than this Lepper36 guy! cause i agree with u. apparently, he doesnt remember that one of the reasons of life is to be who we are and enjoy ourselves ^^. and im a furry as well
TheFamguy1337 8 months ago
@TheFamguy1337 awwww That's soo sweet ^.^ Us furries are seen the wrong way but people will never see that as they are to blind with there own self pride
fallenangel12111 8 months ago
@fallenangel12111 That's because we don't see ourselves as furry woodland creatures.
Lepper36 8 months ago
@Lepper36 Us Furries don't , We live in houses , we go on computer , we eat normal food , so What If we draw ourselves as animals? That doesn't mean we go have a shit in the moods and run around going " I'M A WOLF I'M A WOLF AROOOOOOO!!" ¬.¬ People have the wrong impression of furries , we just like to draw/role play or Dress up as animals for FUN , Are we not aloud to have Fun? Are we not aloud to be silly? Are we not aloud to do the fuck we want in our own homes?
fallenangel12111 8 months ago 4
@fallenangel12111 EXACTLY!!! and to Lepper, dont be such a troll and stop arguing to furries! if u dont like the furry community, then fine. but just leave us alone and let us be!
TheFamguy1337 8 months ago
@TheFamguy1337 People can not see the fact's they just see the Fetish , yiff and all that crap isnt what furry is about it's about being silly and having fun
hater's gonna hate
fallenangel12111 8 months ago