In America, unemployment (which is not welfare by the way) is damn near impossible to get for one. Secondly in order to prove you are looking for a job, you have to send in proof of five applications a week.
I realize that without having been unemployed, and having been worried about being homeless you cannot understand, but at the moment it's nearly impossible to get a blasted job.
It's not everyone who is unemployed's fault that they're unemployed at the moment.
@shkopos Well, of course it's not everyone's fault. And I HAVE been unemployed. Have you? Have you ever been homeless? Have you ever met a homeless person? From my mission work, I saw that there are many different kinds of homeless people, including those who are WORKING, but don't make enough to pull themselves up just yet. That's where charity comes in. You missed the whole point of the video. The point is that charity, not gov't checks, makes change.
@starfleetofficer1 Except that charity doesn't give out enough. Not enough for someone to survive. I have been unemployed, for a good while now, and so has most of my family. We are surviving on savings because guess what, we do not qualify for unemployment. It's almost impossible to get. I'd know. And I work at a food bank every week, so I'd imagine I know many more homeless people than you. I know a lot of them personally.
@shkopos When you make assumptions about what someone's experienced, you automatically run the risk of making yourself look like an ass. So please, don't make assumptions about what people have and have not experienced. I agree with what you said about cutting gov't spending on useless crap like socialized medicine and bankrupt programs. I think it takes an intelligent person to think that as well. Therefore, you must be intelligent. Yet your first comment made me think you were attacking me
Charity does give out enough for someone to survive, just not for long. My church has a food bank and the members individually are ready and willing to give whatever they can spare, even if it means personal sacrifice, to pull up a member who has come across hard times. Then it is up to the member to earn their way back to where they were. Unemployment is a check. Charity builds community, character, relationships, and faith. A check is one-way. Charity is dynamic, and far superior.
@starfleetofficer1 Now comes the question, what if there are no jobs, therefore, no way to pull yourself up? Look into the town of Wilmington, OH. They used a self-sufficiency plan to pull themselves up. They had over 50% unemployment after a DHL plant closed. Yes they did not require any federal funds. Instead, they created a perfect model of a sustainable economy within themselves. It is a small town, but that is the answer right there--small groups of people working together. Community.
@starfleetofficer1 I did not mean to attack. I apologize. I'm just tired of people saying that unemployment is always a bad thing. It's not. It just shouldn't be infinite. I think unemployment should be easier to get, but not last as long. That way it's just sort of a cushion and not an IV.
I'd also like to see small business owners stop being afraid to hire people. Yes, the government is screwing with things, but if we keep people employed, and keep the money moving like it's supposed
@shkopos to, things wouldn't get nearly as bad. In Germany the taxes are higher, but businesses still keep working, and until recently they had had almost no trouble from this economic crap fest the rest of the world is experiencing. They were the one country in the E.U. not about to fold. Now they're taking a little hit, which is why the sentiment to leave the E.U. is growing again.
@starfleetofficer1 The government needs to stop spending its money on useless crap like socialized medicine, and bankrupt programs like the postal service. They need to start supporting small businesses instead of giant ones, and they need to stop freaking subsidizing everything in sight. That alone would most likely fix the debt problem, and get the economy moving again. Also business owners need to stop being cowards and start hiring again.
You're so right! I can't understand the people that see it as a problem that they have to look for a job in order to get unemployment! But our socialist mentality these days is about people thinking they shouldn't have to do anything to get something.
I've always hated the idea of taking help & I've relied on my savings-that I put away for emergency situations. But if I had a wife & kids I'd probably swallow my pride to take it but I wouldn't just settle for unemployment!
@RogCBrand Of course it all leads, as you say, to a large portion of the population just accepting the welfare state as a way of life. I'm sure in England as in the US, there are probably instances of several generations living in the system & can't even remember a time in their family when they weren't just living off of the state.
It is scary though, as the riots in England are very likely a view of our near future!
Also, I think the US is shown to give more charity than socialist nations.
@RogCBrand I know...I originally believed socialism was just a form of perpetual mediocrity, but that's just the interim, before it collapses. In the interim a socialist nation can never be great, but it'll make sure everyone's fed. Then it crashes and people riot and anarchy ensues. It's a mess.
@starfleetofficer1 Exactly! It's like someone living a life of luxury by using their credit card. It looks like they have a great life... until they reach their credit limit, are now in debt so great they'll never be able to pay it off and all of a sudden, they have to go from living like a rich person to living like a poor person- and they get mad at everyone but themselves for being in that situation!
@RogCBrand I think that's a valid comparison, but I think an even closer analogy would be a drug addict or alcoholic. They think every night 'I really *need* a beer' and they have one and feel better after they've had it, and it only cost them a little bit of money, no big deal. They don't bother to add up the bill at the end of the night and they don't realize that they are slowly losing their morals, especially while drunk. Then one day they crash their car and kill someone. Game over.
@starfleetofficer1 Yeah! Though after killing someone, they'll not take any blame- it's the fault of their parents for not raising them different, it's the fault of the store owner for selling them the beer, etc.
Yes, reclaiming our proper role as actors in the community, instead of imagining that we fulfill that role by turning it over to "statesmen" and "law enforcers" is indeed necessary if we are to avoid the bleak future which looks all to probable.
In America, unemployment (which is not welfare by the way) is damn near impossible to get for one. Secondly in order to prove you are looking for a job, you have to send in proof of five applications a week.
I realize that without having been unemployed, and having been worried about being homeless you cannot understand, but at the moment it's nearly impossible to get a blasted job.
It's not everyone who is unemployed's fault that they're unemployed at the moment.
shkopos 6 months ago
@shkopos Well, of course it's not everyone's fault. And I HAVE been unemployed. Have you? Have you ever been homeless? Have you ever met a homeless person? From my mission work, I saw that there are many different kinds of homeless people, including those who are WORKING, but don't make enough to pull themselves up just yet. That's where charity comes in. You missed the whole point of the video. The point is that charity, not gov't checks, makes change.
starfleetofficer1 6 months ago
@starfleetofficer1 Except that charity doesn't give out enough. Not enough for someone to survive. I have been unemployed, for a good while now, and so has most of my family. We are surviving on savings because guess what, we do not qualify for unemployment. It's almost impossible to get. I'd know. And I work at a food bank every week, so I'd imagine I know many more homeless people than you. I know a lot of them personally.
shkopos 6 months ago
@shkopos When you make assumptions about what someone's experienced, you automatically run the risk of making yourself look like an ass. So please, don't make assumptions about what people have and have not experienced. I agree with what you said about cutting gov't spending on useless crap like socialized medicine and bankrupt programs. I think it takes an intelligent person to think that as well. Therefore, you must be intelligent. Yet your first comment made me think you were attacking me
starfleetofficer1 6 months ago
Charity does give out enough for someone to survive, just not for long. My church has a food bank and the members individually are ready and willing to give whatever they can spare, even if it means personal sacrifice, to pull up a member who has come across hard times. Then it is up to the member to earn their way back to where they were. Unemployment is a check. Charity builds community, character, relationships, and faith. A check is one-way. Charity is dynamic, and far superior.
starfleetofficer1 6 months ago
@starfleetofficer1 Now comes the question, what if there are no jobs, therefore, no way to pull yourself up? Look into the town of Wilmington, OH. They used a self-sufficiency plan to pull themselves up. They had over 50% unemployment after a DHL plant closed. Yes they did not require any federal funds. Instead, they created a perfect model of a sustainable economy within themselves. It is a small town, but that is the answer right there--small groups of people working together. Community.
starfleetofficer1 6 months ago
@starfleetofficer1 I did not mean to attack. I apologize. I'm just tired of people saying that unemployment is always a bad thing. It's not. It just shouldn't be infinite. I think unemployment should be easier to get, but not last as long. That way it's just sort of a cushion and not an IV.
I'd also like to see small business owners stop being afraid to hire people. Yes, the government is screwing with things, but if we keep people employed, and keep the money moving like it's supposed
shkopos 6 months ago
@shkopos to, things wouldn't get nearly as bad. In Germany the taxes are higher, but businesses still keep working, and until recently they had had almost no trouble from this economic crap fest the rest of the world is experiencing. They were the one country in the E.U. not about to fold. Now they're taking a little hit, which is why the sentiment to leave the E.U. is growing again.
shkopos 6 months ago
@starfleetofficer1 The government needs to stop spending its money on useless crap like socialized medicine, and bankrupt programs like the postal service. They need to start supporting small businesses instead of giant ones, and they need to stop freaking subsidizing everything in sight. That alone would most likely fix the debt problem, and get the economy moving again. Also business owners need to stop being cowards and start hiring again.
shkopos 6 months ago
You're so right! I can't understand the people that see it as a problem that they have to look for a job in order to get unemployment! But our socialist mentality these days is about people thinking they shouldn't have to do anything to get something.
I've always hated the idea of taking help & I've relied on my savings-that I put away for emergency situations. But if I had a wife & kids I'd probably swallow my pride to take it but I wouldn't just settle for unemployment!
RogCBrand 6 months ago
@RogCBrand Of course it all leads, as you say, to a large portion of the population just accepting the welfare state as a way of life. I'm sure in England as in the US, there are probably instances of several generations living in the system & can't even remember a time in their family when they weren't just living off of the state.
It is scary though, as the riots in England are very likely a view of our near future!
Also, I think the US is shown to give more charity than socialist nations.
RogCBrand 6 months ago
@RogCBrand I know...I originally believed socialism was just a form of perpetual mediocrity, but that's just the interim, before it collapses. In the interim a socialist nation can never be great, but it'll make sure everyone's fed. Then it crashes and people riot and anarchy ensues. It's a mess.
starfleetofficer1 6 months ago
@starfleetofficer1 Exactly! It's like someone living a life of luxury by using their credit card. It looks like they have a great life... until they reach their credit limit, are now in debt so great they'll never be able to pay it off and all of a sudden, they have to go from living like a rich person to living like a poor person- and they get mad at everyone but themselves for being in that situation!
RogCBrand 6 months ago
@RogCBrand I think that's a valid comparison, but I think an even closer analogy would be a drug addict or alcoholic. They think every night 'I really *need* a beer' and they have one and feel better after they've had it, and it only cost them a little bit of money, no big deal. They don't bother to add up the bill at the end of the night and they don't realize that they are slowly losing their morals, especially while drunk. Then one day they crash their car and kill someone. Game over.
starfleetofficer1 6 months ago
@starfleetofficer1 Yeah! Though after killing someone, they'll not take any blame- it's the fault of their parents for not raising them different, it's the fault of the store owner for selling them the beer, etc.
:P
RogCBrand 6 months ago
Yes, reclaiming our proper role as actors in the community, instead of imagining that we fulfill that role by turning it over to "statesmen" and "law enforcers" is indeed necessary if we are to avoid the bleak future which looks all to probable.
blackacidlizzard 6 months ago
@blackacidlizzard Yep. That's it in a nutshell.
starfleetofficer1 6 months ago