Totally dismal is a great way to describe both Vol. 1 and 2 (which was way worse). The dialogue is so flat, it's obvious he's trying to insert the cool, casual small talk that made the characters in Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs so believable.
That's probably what I hate most about these movies. The fact they take the things that were unique or endearing about his previous films and awkwardly mash them all together. The whole thing just comes off as gauche. A big disappointment for QT fans.
@BaubleRob False. It's aesthetic violence, which is practically a mixture of emotions within a single violent occurrence in cinema. It can make you laugh, it can make you cry, it can please your eye-candy lusts, and it can very well make you cringe...I flinched at the scene more than anything, but then I laughed and was pleased by the creativity. Therefore, because it is aesthetic violence, a style of violence in theater, it IS the right way to direct violence.
@Transformers2themax Well argued, but aesthetic violence sounds like an excuse. If someone complains that the violence is sexist, gratuitous or whatever, you can just say "well, it was only supposed to look good", which doesn't really work account for the problems.
Anyway, my point is that Kermode is implying that this scene is the right way to direct violence because it's aversive (it carries a message that violence is wrong), but I think he's incorrect. Instead it says that violence is funny.
@BaubleRob Onto this topic...When you say that people complain that "the violence is sexist, gratuitous," etc., you're referring to those who aren't really the types of people who'd enjoy violence in cinema, would attempt to find a justification for why they don't like it, and trash a film all because of it's violent content. Aesthetic violence does not mean that it is lawful or "right" in any way--it's just an artistic portrayal of it. Anything can be art, regardless if it's violence.
@Transformers2themax Having seen the other comments you've made on this video, I didn't expect an on-topic response. I don't need art lessons from a teenage boy. Goodbye.
@BaubleRob Oooh...Sounds like someone's been out-talked. This is always what happens when I bring logic to the table. You have such a straight-to-the-point, simplistic mentality that if anyone actually states something psychological that you would and never will have the intellect to think about, you retreat and spit bullets on the way. Insults get you nowhere and only prove your state of mind....
@BaubleRob And from the sound of things, you probably really need education on what art is. If you're going to critique a film's artistic meaning and come on here barking against aesthetic violence, as if you're some goddamn expert, you must be educated on art. That is exactly why Mark Kermode is such a faulted film critic...Besides, if you actually thought about it, which you didn't, every "off-topic" statement I made was done as a comparison of some sort to the actual topic itself.
Even Kermode, who has somewhat turned into a bit of a twat over the years, makes a decently unbiased review of the film. He admits he didn't particularly like it, but he also gives bits of the film he did enjoy. He and this Bonnie Greer woman both give reasonable reviews...the conservative politician needs to just be kicked out.
@mp9828 Yet, you still think he qualifies as a film critic? Mark Kermode's not a great one, but he's a hell of a lot better than that other wanker. Someone that old and conservative shouldn't be watching Tarantino films in the first place. It's like taking your grandparents to see Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Because of their lack of open-mindedness and ideals, it's almost definite they're not going to enjoy it. No wonder he attacks exploitation cinema. He's too uptight for even that.
@Transformers2themax Lack of open mindedness? Hislop has edited a political magazine for 25 years that satirises politicians of all stripes.
Anyway, the argument that anyone's opinion on a film should be invalid because they're too old is false. Should we only allow 14 year old boys to review Transformers?
@BaubleRob Still, your argument is that he can review a Tarantino film--no, an American homage to exploitation cinema done by Quentin Tarantino--all because he's edited a political magazine? His opinion is not invalid--it's meaningless. It hasn't anything to do with his age. But because he is the type of person that he is at that age, his opinion is incredibly biased. Mark Kermode didn't like Kill Bill, but he at least made an unbiased review of it....
@BaubleRob About Transformers...Not that 14 year old boys necessarily make an actual review of the Transformers films, or really films in general; however, if they were to, it'd still be fairly meaningless. Because it's aimed at their age group, they're most likely going to enjoy it regardless. Their opinion is only meaningless, however, if they are average for that age. If they're like I was when I was at that age, an aspiring student of cinema, they might have a reasonable judgment of films.
@heliumtrophy Well, you clearly aren't the most familiar with spaghetti westerns. The Bride very much had a "Man With No Name" personality and the fact that she did some of the things in the film reflects the "badass" that character has always been acquainted in westerns. You probably only know Eastwood from the Chuck Norris-esque status he's been given by the general culture...Most of you on here aren't the most wise, logical, or educated of folks.
@Transformers2themax I take it Play Misty for Me doesn't count as Eastwood education. No what I objected to was crass cross-referencing of films that bear no relation to each other than people going "whoa that was pretty badass, just like what Clint Eastwood did in Dirty Harry." Nice of you to take such a dismissive view on what was a sarcastic response to dumb statements. I am well aware that sarcasm doesn't always translate on the net.
@NotHomelessAnymore WHAT? Lol. Someone doesn't know how to judge an individual's acting performance. Her acting of The Bride was spot-on. What else have you seen her in? She's even surprised me with her range. I don't believe you understand acting. You have to be convincing and as if you're in the action, which Uma demonstrated fairly well. In your simpleton terminology, "you don't just do it"...every movement you make is being filmed and each must be convincing....
@NotHomelessAnymore You know what I think? You, like a lot of the dull types who have no patience for any action, just didn't enjoy the film and now you are trying to find justifications for why. If you don't enjoy exploitation cinema, you probably won't enjoy Tarantino. You know, if it's such a "rip-off" (homage) in your eyes; if it's such a remake, then why don't you review all of the films it's "ripping off"? See if that gets you anywhere.
@Transformers2themax You know there are straw man arguments and then there is making stuff up and putting words in my mouth. I never offered my opinion on exploitation movies or Tarantino's homages to them (didn't it cross your mind I might like Tarantino?). I just think Uma Thurman's terrible lead performance ruined the movie (well... and the poor script). I really don't know where to begin picking apart the rest of your flawed logic so I won't bother. Have a nice day.
@NotHomelessAnymore Terrible lead performance?! That's a laugh. She's the best part of the film. She actually made Bruce Lee's jumpsuit look good. You obviously don't know too much about it. The character was written for her; in fact, both Quentin and Uma came up with the character together--on the set of Pulp Fiction. The fact that it was almost this combination of creative minds is what makes the Bride character so special. Only Uma Thurman could have played her....
@NotHomelessAnymore And why is it that whenever you or anyone else call someone a "bad actor", you never provide any facts to back up your argument? It's just "He/she's a bad actor/actress" and that's that. It's almost as if it's because you didn't like their performance--not because it was actually bad. Acting requires a lot of skill period. To just talk to someone onscreen or make casual gestures that folks do in everyday life is incredibly difficult...You wouldn't understand.
I hate how if a woman is given a typically male role, no matter what other flaws the film has, certain feminists will call it a great film singularly for its gender-alignment. Kill Bill is a boring, overly-violent, overly-referential and infantile piece of action schlock with the worst use of non-linear narrative in recent film history.
So annoying that I'm trying to quote Bonnie Greer for my film studies coursework about Tarantino but those guys keep interrupting her so I cant complete the quote... -.-
Michael Winner didn't make a great film, yeah right what about fucking Death Wish you tossers! Kill Bill wasn't supposed to be Shakespeare or anything of great depth, but it was a fun martial arts revenge movie. I agree it is not one of Quentin's best, but it was still fun and memorable.
this is why i trust Marks opinion, cuz he isnt afraid of making the unpopular choice.. he doesnt just enjoy a movie cuz mass amounts of people praise it. Its tons of action to make up for how fucking boring it is! people just love violence too much.
@louiscfc93 - Wow. What an incisive observation and a brilliantly judged argument. If only I'd written 'Fucking think. Idiots.' I'd have brought those piss poor Sam Peckinpah disciples to their knees, wouldn't I? Thanks for settling the argument conclusively, though. I feel a sense of closure.
@cheeseofultimatedoom Because (some) feminists think women should have the opportunity any way they like, including in (traditionally considered) masculine ways - and that the reverse should be true.
@aerialkate Well in that case I'll be watching Faster Pusycat! Kill! Kill! If we're both going to act like we're being victimised and placed into stereotypes, we may as well do it properly. Nighty night x
Agree with Greer. Look at the scene where Thurman is lying in her 'coma' when the guy pays the orderly to rape her while she's incapacitated. Most directors tell lies about showing us the 'horror of rape'. They then shoot the scene from the rapist's perspective. No fun in showing it from the victim's (an ugly, sweaty man raining punches down ) - because we can't get a good look at the actress's tits then. K.B. doesn't celebrate violence against women - unlike 'A Clockwork Orange'.
@aerialkate A Clockwork Orange does not celebrate violence against women. And I don't think you can suggest that the man who made Death Proof is some feminist crusader.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat - I didn't imply that the man who made 'Death Proof' is a feminist crusader, I was commenting on Kill Bill, otherwise I would have commented about the film 'Death Proof' wouldn't I?. 'A Clockwork Orange' does celebrate violence against women. The sexual violence is played for laughs. The original poster for the film featured Alex brandishing a knife between a woman's legs. One of the stills of the rape scenes was reproduced in a Playboy spread. You got a daughter?
@aerialkate Have you ever seen A Clockwork Orange? Everything that happens prior to Alex's incarceration is designed to be as morally reprehensible as possible, to make the films major question (Alex is clearly a monster, but does that justify what is done to him? Is it better to force somebody to be good than to allow them to be a monster? Is the removal of free will a price worth paying?) as troubling as possible. (Run out of room, I'll carry on in a separate post)
@MrKeepitunderyourhat - Of-course I've seen it. Don't patronise me mister, I'm probably 20 years older than you. I remember the character killed by a dildo. I remember those times. I remember Norman Mailer bleating on about how women were going to 'go off' men to make love to their vibrators (if he'd been a woman they'd have called him an hysteric). So many men were threatened by feminism back then. ' A Clockwork Orange' is the result. Got a daughter?
@aerialkate *Sigh* That was an expression of disbelief, not a genuine question. And if you don't want to be patronised, don't call people 'mister'. This game could go on all night. And I see, Got A Daughter is a supposedly amusing sign-off designed to annoy me, how very clever.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat - Believe me I take no joy whatsoever in having to argue with you. In fact I find it utterly depressing that I have to. I've simply noticed that young men in particular often champion what they perceive as 'edgy' directors and assume anyone who finds them repellent must go home and watch 'The Sound of Music' each night. It's just such a shame to me that 'edgy' all too often means 'fucking sad exploitation of sexual violence against women'.
@aerialkate Actually it was one rape, not a spate (not that that makes it any better). Natural Born Killers inspired someone to commit a murder, but it was still a horrifying satire on the media's portrayal of violence. To be honest I think you'd be hard pressed to find anybody who didn't admire Kubrick as a film maker, nobody thinks he was edgy. Personally I think his films are flawed, but still incredible achievements. (I'll continue...)
@aerialkate And please don't make sweeping assumptions, Lars Von Trier is considered an 'edgy' director and I dislike his films precisely because of their misogynistic undertones. I don't champion Tarantino, precisely because I think his films have become silly, flashy and infantile. And in some cases, not exactly great in their attitude towards women.
@aerialkate If you think that 'Most directors' film rape scenes for celebration and enjoyment of violence, and from the male perspective, then I suggest you change which movies you watch. What about Irreversible, or even The Last House On The Left (incidentally, Wes Craven walked out of Reservoir Dogs because he thought the violence had no meaning or point). And what does having a daughter have to do with anything? Don't you dare try and take the moral high ground just because you are a parent.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Why do you think 'Playboy' used the spread from 'Orange'? Why do you think Kubrick allowed it to be used? Does your faith in Kubrick's good intentions seem credulous now? There were a spate of violent rapes after 'ACO's release committed by creeps dressed as Alex and his pals. It's notable how many films are accepted as 'inspiring'. Men will tell you they learned to box after watching 'Rocky' etc, Yet Kubrick's defenders will swear as to the benignity of ACR. Hmm.
@aerialkate Wow, a third post... The point to which I first responded still stands, that Tarantino is not the only, or even the first, director to portray rape as it should be shown: absolutely horrifying and repugnant. In fact, if he even did so, it was probably by accident.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat - I'm not calling you a rapist, potential rapist or even a misogynist. I am asking you to think deeply about how you would have felt had you been a rape victim watching films like 'Orange'. If the scenes depicting violence against women (and men) had been handled responsibly I would have no problem with it. Like 'The Accused' for example. We won't change each others minds, that's clear. But for me 'Orange' is rape as porn. That's why Playboy liked it you know...
@aerialkate 'I'm not calling you a rapist'!? I never said you were, how dare you fucking say such a thing. I was willing to have a proper conversation, as I actually do acknowledge that the rape scenes in ACO could have been better handled, although I still don't think that this was the film's intention (I'd also like to see proof of this Playboy story, as I can find none) but not if you're going to be that patronising and smug and downright insulting.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat - Would you please stop saying 'how dare you'? You sound like Mrs Slocombe from 'Are you Being Served'? Why on earth would you protest that I'm not calling you a rapist? The idea was to quell any 'YOU TYPES THINK ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS' response, not necessarily from yourself but from other posters. Believe me, you have no idea how defensive people can be when someone makes a post from a feminist angle. Calm down dear...as our dear PM would say. If you were a woman...
@aerialkate It was more the soothing, teeth grindingly patronising way that you put it. What I objected to most was just how off topic this has become. My original point still stands, that Tarantino is actually more exploitative of violence towards women than the average film director.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat LOL. Now you're accusing Death Proof of celebrating violence towards women? You either haven't seen the film or are just too close-minded to be watching anything by Tarantino in the first place. The film actually portrays the girls at the end as badasses, if you were too absent in the head to notice. And although I do love A Clockwork Orange and consider it to be a work of artistic genius along with all of Kubrick's other works, I agree that it does glorify rape.
@Transformers2themax Okay, where do I begin... First of all, you have absolutely no idea of what films I do and do not like, whereas I know that you like Transformers (so don't talk to me about the artistic qualities of films, or feminism for that matter). I never said Tarantino spoofed things, I know a homage when I see one, and having them constantly flung in my face is not 'artistic'. And eight actors turned down Death Proof before Kurt Russell. Eight.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Perhaps, maybe I don't know what kind of films you like or dislike. But you saying that I obviously like Transformers is almost the same type of judgment. I can tell what you dislike at least. They're not constantly flung in your face if you really think about it. He may go overboard with it but does it ruin the film for most folks? Not really. And eight actors turned the role down because "none were able to work due to prior commitments". Do some actual research for once.
@Transformers2themax Yeah, sure, all eight of them. Including the one's whose careers were in the dumps. I actually really like Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown, and there were moments of brilliance of Inglourious Basterds. The reason I brought up your username is that you can't reconcile your supposedly intellectual, liberal mindset with those crass, puerile, misogynist, racist pieces of trash.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Regardless if you like Jackie Brown or not, it is still probably his worst film. It's too generic. Tarantino films aren't supposed to be generic--they're supposed to be unique and mind-blowing. That film was in now way like that and felt like your generic modern crime film. Plus, the fact that it's based off an actual novel makes it one of his least original. Kill Bill may be structured like the usual revenge stage in drama, but it is still genius compared to Jackie Brown.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat And the reason I have the username that I do is for the exact reason in which you attacked me for it. It's troll bait; therefore, if you take a potshot at it, you're obviously a troll. Only a hater with nothing else to say to backup their argument or case would use the other individual's username as an insult against them. Yes, I did enjoy the first two Transformers films, but in no way will I compare them to Tarantino works.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Now it is very clear that you're just your average stuck-up Tarantino hater, desperately trying to find justifications for your hatred of him and anyone who enjoys his films.
What a bunch of prententious arseholes. Kill Bill is a classic! kermode is meant to be one most experienced film critics in the world and he trashes this!? what a prick, oh and why is hislop on here? stick to politics pal...you wouldnt see tarentino reviewing the tory manifesto
@benroo89 Actually, her interpretation of the symbolism in Kill Bill is quite intelligent. i would have never thought of that until she pointed it out, and I'm a film buff. I absolutely love cinema and plan to be a director and screenwriter someday. Tarantino is an artist, and art is something people tend to commonly misinterpret..especially when British males are reviewing an American film.
@benroo89 Yeah, right. Because you're from the UK too. I'm not bowing down to some cocky film critic that enjoys regular happy/feel-good movies. He's not willing to admit it, but the main reason he dislikes Tarantino's style is because of how old school it is. He's too ignorant to notice any of the pop-culture references and that's why he is so frustrated by it. You know what this reminds me of? (Cont.).....
@Transformers2themax Kermode is way above this movie. He's seen thousands of movies more intelligent than this. I watch intelligent movies like The Godfather and Raging Bull. Kill Bill is not intelligent. Pop culture references are cheap. I love Kubrick's movies, by the way. Not intelligent enough to understand? I listen to Coltrane and Beethoven and I read about quantum mechanics. Kill Bill is just below me. If you actually like Transformers (the movie), don't reply to me again, please.
@benroo89 (Cont.).........You know what this reminds me of? I once saw a video on here of a kid hating on Stanley Kubrick because he didn't understand 2001: A Space Odyssey or A Clockwork Orange....That's what this reminds me of. It's the oldest trick in the book--hate on something you're not intelligent enough to understand. There's too much subtext in Tarantino films for you people to just say it's "pretty bad". You Brits need to stick to Monty Python.
@Transformers2themax Never say "I'm a film buff". That makes me think you're not. You can't expect people to just accept that you know a lot about films. You need to actually give credible arguments. Then people will say you're a film buff.
@benroo89 Hey, I'm not bragging like I'm some kind of expert. I don't know everything about film. Being a film buff just means that film's something you enjoy; it's a hobby. I study film. It's a hobby for me. I'm just laying facts. Perhaps saying I'm a film buff could lead to me being an expert, but that's not what I'm saying. I just know when there's artistic value in a film like Kill Bill and find people who are unable to see it to be ignorant and close-minded.
@Transformers2themax This doesn't have shit to do with nationality. I watch many films and most of them are American. Tarantino was a better director than he is now. He directed some good films in the 90s.
@benroo89 What I'm saying is that these people don't know what they're talking about because American pop-culture is something that people of other countries tend to misunderstand. Sure, it may not be as symbolic or as artistic as Pulp Fiction, but there's still something there. If you watch interviews of Tarantino, it's interesting the things that he points out.....(Cont.).....
@benroo89 (Cont.).When you go to a film like this, regardless if you like it or not, you still find something to actually talk about. And when you start to judge it, you begin to realize that there's more there...There's subtext there. See, it seems like the people that actually try to justify their disappointment in it are the ones that contradict themselves. In film, subtext is often accidentally included. You don't know where it originated, it's just there.....And that is what makes it art.
The woman there couldn't have said it any better. Though admittedly not that much of a Tarantino fan, evem she thought it was a good film! Only the pissy, foul-humored, ignorant "reviewers" like the guys here would think of Kill Bill as nothing but glorified violence. In order to understand a Tarantino film, you have to think with the mindset of an artist. You can't just be opinionated and self-linked with it. The fight scenes in both volumes are some of the best in cinema history.
It's not a surprise that these nimrods disliked the film, trashing it as a "entirely witless and babyish film". They're British, white-bread conservatives! Of course they're not going to get it. Kill Bill is probably Tarantino's best produced film. The pacing, fight scenes, and creatively cliched storyline as well as the beautiful soundtrack and '70s-era pop-culture references combine to make a great film. To me, Inglourious Basterds wasn't as clever or fresh. Kill Bill actually had a full plot.
Mark Kermode is one of the UK's best and beloved movie critics. He wears his heart on his sleeve and if you listen to him, he was just disappointed in the lack of apparent progression Tarantino took after Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown. At the end of the day, he's expressing an opinion. You don't have to agree with him to absorb his points.
And Ian Hislop, editor of Private Eye, a "white-bread conservative"? Please!
@neuro They're British, so they need to review British films--not American ones. I mean, I don't review Harry Potter films, do I? No. I like them, but I probably don't understand them the way Brits do; so I don't feel there is a need to analyze it. See, here in the US, when a film is actually artistic, it's either misunderstood and hated on or respected. Only a conservative with a low tolerance for actual action wouldn't be able to handle Kill Bill.
@Transformers2themax because they're British, they should only review "British films", despite the fact the bulk of movies released in the UK are produced in/from the United States? Are you nuts?
@neuro A Brit is very likely not going to understand American cinema. In fact, they hardly understand anything about us, regardless if they produce it. Kill Bill definitely is not as artistic or symbolic as Pulp Fiction or reservoir Dogs, but it certainly has some elements of it there. I mean, it IS Tarantino. It's supposed to be fun, and not in a reckless, idiotic way. There are some of us that actually like violence in film. So calling Kill Bill "witless and babyish" contradicts itself.
@Transformers2themax How do you know they're conservative? Mark Kermode is actually very liberal and his review often reflect this, although Hislop is a self-confessed small 'c' conservative. And why would nationality have any bearing on this? Kill Bill was definitely a step backwards for Tarantino, who'd been developing well up until that point. It was just... okay.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat I agree, it was more less a barrage of pop-culture references and eye-candy. But does that make it a bad film? Well, it depends on your preferences. I personally liked the fact that it was more of an action and pacing driven story. However what makes me love it so is because of how brick solid it is. In other movies these days where girls are supposed to be the badasses, they overdo it. They provide no personality to it. In this, Uma Thurman just IS a badass.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat And you know, I'm really not into films about women kicking ass for that same reason. This just really touched me on a personal level. It felt motivational. I mean, I'm a dude but I like the fact that Uma Thurman is a female warrior; that she's a female avenger.If you pay attention, there's a hidden spaghetti western element included that is very cliched, but in an original way. Come to think of it, Uma Thurman IS like the female Clint Eastwood as "The Man With No Name".
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Plus, the reason that they're British means that they're likely to misunderstand American cinema due to the common dislike of us by the Brits. They really need to just stick to reviewing their own country's films. I don't try to analyze or decipher Harry Potter. You know why? Because the Brits may have a different sense of humor, they have have a different reason for doing things in the film. So, I don't review it. Instead, I try to enjoy it for what it is.
@Transformers2themax The last point was one of the most hilarious, blinkered and stupid things I've ever heard anyone say. I don't even know where to begin with it... Kermode clearly states that he loved Tarantino's previous films but that he found Kill Bill lacking, and I have to say I agree with him. The fact that he and I are both british is totally irrelevant, it's not a case of not 'getting' it, and people should be allowed to review whatever damn movie they want to.
@Transformers2themax (cont.) Also, don't moan about the world hating america (which statistics actually show isn't entirely true anyway), then imply that all British people are 'white bread conservatives'. And why do you seem to think that Harry Potter is representative of an entire country's film output? I recently reviewed Drive for my student newspaper, why exactly should I have not done so? Or maybe you just heard what Kermode said about Transformers and Michael Bay and are just bitter.
@Transformers2themax Also, third and final point: don't go on and on about us not being able to understand American pop-culture in relation to a film that actually takes most of it's influences, nods and homages from Asian cinema.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat You're right, it does pay an homage to '70s Asian cinema. However, it's still an American film. He based Kill Bill off the American interpretation of those films. And actually, only half of it is an homage to old martial arts films. The other half is spaghetti westerns, girls with guns, and rape and revenge which are mainly a part of American Grindhouse cinema. Except for the westerns which were predominantly Italian. If you don't like the film, so be it. Just respect it.
@Transformers2themax I notice you only replied to one of my points... But most spaghetti westerns were A) made in Europe, hence the name, and B) heavily influenced by, and often straight remakes of, Asian films. For instance, A Fitsful Of Dollars is a straight remake of Yojimbo. I get the whole I Spit On Your Grave rape and revenge thing, but that's only a small part of the film. It's also clearly influenced by Death Wish, directed by a (admittedly terrible) British director.
@Transformers2themax And please don't play the "you don't understand it, like you don't understand Kubrick" and then seriously suggest that Transformers is a good film. I take no accusations of lack of intelligence or understanding from a man who lists his interests as a catalogue of wars, 'guns' , 'Megan Fox', and likes Michael Bay movies.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Hey, I'm not a Michale Bay fan. I just find Transformers to be an amusing film. It's not very artistic, but its a good film otherwise, depending on your preferences. I mean, it's not nearly as good as most films, but it's certainly better than a lot of movies made nowadays. Kill Bill's kind of similar. I agree, it's not ingenious; but to call it "unclever" would show you're looking from an oppinionated perspective rather than a sophisticated one.
@Transformers2themax I never called it "unclever". It isn't. (Although Transformers is. Unclever and offensive). It was just a step backwards for him. The reason I looked at your account was to try and get past the air of pseudo-intellectualism you are portraying. Childish and petty, but hey, I never said I wasn't. You didn't use any sort of logic, you just claimed that people should only review films from their country of origin, one of the stupidest suggestions I've ever heard.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Lol. Again with the opinionated statements and insultsn, it's not a surprise for that's what you Brits are best at. I didn't say that you don't have right to review another country's artwork--I just think it's more reasonable to review your own's. Art is a complicated subject, and the reasons for making it vary depending on who you are, what race you are, what culture you are, what religion you practice, what experiences you've had, where you're from, and where you've been.
@Transformers2themax Ah, national stereotyping! That will fix things! Quite bizarre of you to accuse me of making opinionated statements, then use a national stereotype as a basis for your argument. Of course I'm talking about the film subjectively, it is impossible to watch a film objectively (to my mind this is one of the most beautiful things about cinema)
@MrKeepitunderyourhat If I were to sink myself to your level, I'd call you a snotty, uptight, self-centered Brit who needs to bathe more often--but I'm not going to do that. You could accuse me of such for listing what I just did, but that was not a direct opinion. I just feel as though you're basing everything you say off your own personal feelings toward the film and using insults toward me to shadow the fact; to back yourself up. Maybe you're the one thinking with "Childish and petty" ideals.
@Transformers2themax Saying that people should stick to the films of their own country is frankly stupid, insulting and would limit people's ability to examine and enjoy cinema in it's wider context. Your opinion of Kill Bill is irrelevant to me, I don't mind that we disagree about it. The reason I reacted to you in the first place was that I totally disagree with your idea of enforced cultural divides.
@Transformers2themax Out of interest, what about Apocalypse Now? An american movie about an american war, based on a British book about British concerns by an English author of Polish origin?
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Still, an American interpretation. Although race has nothing to do with it, origin leads to possible race, which leads to possible culture, which leads to possible religion, which leads to possible beliefs.....Therefore, an American interpreting something made by one country, and then British interpreting that interpretation can be affected depending on what I just listed. Race and origin has nothing to do with the right, my friend--it's the accuracy of the interpretation.
@Transformers2themax Rubbish, I totally disagree. It is more than possible for me to interpret an American movie more accurately than you, just as it could be possible for you to more accurately interpret a British movie than me. Some films have archetypal themes and characters that transcend national cultural divides. And you ignored the point I made in the first of the last group of comments.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Ignored your comments? I was replying to each of them. Lol. And how is it that an American can interpret a British film better than a Brit, whereas a Brit can interpret an American film better than an American? That makes about as much sense as what you had mistaken my comments for meaning. Americans are gonna understand American pop-culture better than anybody else, just as Brits are gonna understand British pop-culture better than anyone other than a Brit. Common sense.
@Transformers2themax Well, you didn't, but anyway. Why should an in depth knowledge of a country's pop culture be needed to watch a film produced in that country? Just because Kill Bill is the visual equivalent of a kid showing you all his favourite films at once, not every film is crammed full of pop culture references. And as I've already mentioned, most of the pop culture references in Kill Bill are from Asian cinema.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat I wouldn't say an in depth knowledge, but instead a good understanding of. Be that as it may, origin doesn't have the largest impact. Any intelligent individual with an artistic, liberal mindset will understand anything made by Tarantino. There is too much substance in a piece like Kill Bill to just define it "the visual equivalent of a kid showing you all his favourite films at once". True, he does sometimes go overboard with the references. Regardless, he's an artist.
@Transformers2themax You do realise you just contradicted all your previous points? If anyone with those attributes can understand his films, why were you previously saying that all film criticism should be based on nationality? 'Origin doesn't have the largest impact': Then why bring up pop culture references in the first place? (Run out of room, I'll carry on in another post)
@Transformers2themax Tarantino is one of the only film-makers to make such extensive use of pop culture references, so even the most basic understanding of the country in which a film was produced will be more than enough for someone to understand the vast majorities of films.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat One of the ONLY? His films don't spoof other films--they pay homage to them. He's practically taking aspects from them and improving them. I mean, I love older exploitation films and all, but are they really as good as Tarantino's? I love spaghetti westerns, but I enjoy Inglourious Basterds even more. You stuck-up types that consider yourselves "critics" like Cur-mode here are just too ignorant to appreciate artistic film. Do us all a favor and stick to High School Musical.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat It's an opinion driven film. You either like it or don't like it. There's subtext there, regardless if you like it or not. Perhaps it's just the action that makes it special. It has more action, which makes it more authentic because that was one of the general purposes of those '70s Asian martial arts/action films. Technologically, it was a step forward. In no way was it a step backward. He was experimenting. And now that he has the money to do it, his films are improving.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat And I'd also like to note that it's quite unprofessional of you using my YouTube page which I probably haven't updated in awhile as a method of making me look bad; as if I don't know what I'm talking about. Are you that socially limited? I don't feel the need to insult you in anyway. I suppose we have a disagrement here and I'm noly trying to settle it with logic. You're just basing all your points off of personal preferences. Well, FYI--Kill Bill's an opinion driven film.
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Yes, those films were all made by countires other an the U.S.....but what country's problems were they about? And don't forget that Clint Eastwood, an American actor, often starred as the main character of most of them. Plus, Kill Bill is an American film; an American interpretation of the films it's based off of. So British critics(plus a politican who shouldn't be there) judging it as if it has no thought is not a surprise, for they've been critiquing us for centuries.
@Transformers2themax I recently wrote a very favourable review of Drive for my student newspaper. Should I have not done so? Is my opinion of the film invalid?
The points the woman makes, is enough for me to call this movie awesome. Kermode had some good points, and the other guy was just talking out of his ass.
@SamHain1031666 I disagree with Mark a lot. Especially in recent years as he's sort of cultivated a reputation of hating quite a lot of films, often doing so with very little legitimate reason.
@SamHain1031666 I'll agree with that. I often find myself amused now that, for instance, Kermode made his name as horror movie guy...and now seems to hate every single horror movie that comes out for little to no real reason. For instance if you listen to his review for The Nightmare on Elm Street remake he criticizes the movie for things that aren't even true, like the color scheme. That movie was mediocre at best, but clearly he had predetermined to hate it.
@switchbuckle5th That color scheme was dull. the origenla was red. and im not just saying that . i hade to agree with kermods review. also the acting was boring and so on and so on. out of curisosty realy question. was els didnt you agree in his critizizion
Kill Bill was fairly middling, though it was refreshing to see women in those sorts of hyper-violent action roles (putting aside if you enjoy hyper-violence at all.)
Kill Bill, or Kill Bill's are crap. Utter crap. Tarantino jumped the shark with this one. He was still jumping with Death Proof and nearly landed with Basterds.
Kill Bill is The Shawshank Redemption with samurai swords. The ShawSHANK Redemption if you will. Or perhaps SwordSkank Revenge? There is a pun in there somewhere.
@ukulazy You write this witless crap and my opinion is shit. You're right in a way, when dealing with nonsense like this film, it's best to to be brief. It's total shite!!
I don't think the sexual politics of Kill Bill are bad, but Kill Bill volume 1 is essentially a fightfightfight anime, which spends an inordinate amount of time on a character who amounts to very little (Lucy Liu's character) and manages to de-fang any tension by skipping ahead in the timeline (which volume 2 also does).
Volume 2 is better, but it's very plodding and boring in comparison to the constant action of the first. Entire scenes are unneeded and unwelcome. Overall, sub-par.
Kill Bill is just a fun straightforward revenge flick, nothing more and nothing less. Kill Bill 2 is deeper and more meaningful. The two complement each other very well.
Haven't seen this film but I know it's shit. I just have to glimpse snaps of it to know it's self indulgent garbage. A super model dressed up as Bruce Lee killing loads of people. Total nonsense. If it was a Monty Pythonesque surreal comedy it might work.
People tell me that Tarantino is the anti-Hollywood, but he's actually PRO Hollywood, as he is a major component of the system. Kubrick and Lynch were the anti-Hollywood, as it took them DECADES to be able to make the films they wanted to. Tarantino climbed the chain really quickly because his style is exactly like Hollywood - dumb, testosterone driven films for "all audiences". More people can enjoy Kill Bill than Eraserhead or Eyes Wide Shut, and that's what makes Tarantino a Hollywood guy.
I think Ian Hislop and Mark Kermode dislike it for different reasons. Ian Hislop simly hates it because he hates violence and Kermode dislikes it because it's boring and two dimensional. Ian Hislop comes off as a complete tw*t whereas Kermode's criticisms are justified. I like Kill Bill but I was dissapointed.
Totally dismal is a great way to describe both Vol. 1 and 2 (which was way worse). The dialogue is so flat, it's obvious he's trying to insert the cool, casual small talk that made the characters in Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs so believable.
That's probably what I hate most about these movies. The fact they take the things that were unique or endearing about his previous films and awkwardly mash them all together. The whole thing just comes off as gauche. A big disappointment for QT fans.
AColonDashSix 1 week ago
you know this movie is shit because a feminist likes it
get back in the fucking kitchen
rogerwilsonwilson6 2 weeks ago
@rogerwilsonwilson6 Sexist twat.
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
6:10 "The head banging in the door" scene is clearly supposed to be funny, which is why it is NOT the right way to direct violence.
BaubleRob 2 weeks ago
@BaubleRob False. It's aesthetic violence, which is practically a mixture of emotions within a single violent occurrence in cinema. It can make you laugh, it can make you cry, it can please your eye-candy lusts, and it can very well make you cringe...I flinched at the scene more than anything, but then I laughed and was pleased by the creativity. Therefore, because it is aesthetic violence, a style of violence in theater, it IS the right way to direct violence.
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
@Transformers2themax Well argued, but aesthetic violence sounds like an excuse. If someone complains that the violence is sexist, gratuitous or whatever, you can just say "well, it was only supposed to look good", which doesn't really work account for the problems.
Anyway, my point is that Kermode is implying that this scene is the right way to direct violence because it's aversive (it carries a message that violence is wrong), but I think he's incorrect. Instead it says that violence is funny.
BaubleRob 2 weeks ago
@BaubleRob Onto this topic...When you say that people complain that "the violence is sexist, gratuitous," etc., you're referring to those who aren't really the types of people who'd enjoy violence in cinema, would attempt to find a justification for why they don't like it, and trash a film all because of it's violent content. Aesthetic violence does not mean that it is lawful or "right" in any way--it's just an artistic portrayal of it. Anything can be art, regardless if it's violence.
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
@Transformers2themax Having seen the other comments you've made on this video, I didn't expect an on-topic response. I don't need art lessons from a teenage boy. Goodbye.
BaubleRob 2 weeks ago
@BaubleRob Oooh...Sounds like someone's been out-talked. This is always what happens when I bring logic to the table. You have such a straight-to-the-point, simplistic mentality that if anyone actually states something psychological that you would and never will have the intellect to think about, you retreat and spit bullets on the way. Insults get you nowhere and only prove your state of mind....
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
@BaubleRob And from the sound of things, you probably really need education on what art is. If you're going to critique a film's artistic meaning and come on here barking against aesthetic violence, as if you're some goddamn expert, you must be educated on art. That is exactly why Mark Kermode is such a faulted film critic...Besides, if you actually thought about it, which you didn't, every "off-topic" statement I made was done as a comparison of some sort to the actual topic itself.
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
Even Kermode, who has somewhat turned into a bit of a twat over the years, makes a decently unbiased review of the film. He admits he didn't particularly like it, but he also gives bits of the film he did enjoy. He and this Bonnie Greer woman both give reasonable reviews...the conservative politician needs to just be kicked out.
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
@Transformers2themax ian hislop is not an mp of an description, least of all a tory.
mp9828 2 weeks ago
@mp9828 Yet, you still think he qualifies as a film critic? Mark Kermode's not a great one, but he's a hell of a lot better than that other wanker. Someone that old and conservative shouldn't be watching Tarantino films in the first place. It's like taking your grandparents to see Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Because of their lack of open-mindedness and ideals, it's almost definite they're not going to enjoy it. No wonder he attacks exploitation cinema. He's too uptight for even that.
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
@Transformers2themax Lack of open mindedness? Hislop has edited a political magazine for 25 years that satirises politicians of all stripes.
Anyway, the argument that anyone's opinion on a film should be invalid because they're too old is false. Should we only allow 14 year old boys to review Transformers?
BaubleRob 2 weeks ago
@BaubleRob Still, your argument is that he can review a Tarantino film--no, an American homage to exploitation cinema done by Quentin Tarantino--all because he's edited a political magazine? His opinion is not invalid--it's meaningless. It hasn't anything to do with his age. But because he is the type of person that he is at that age, his opinion is incredibly biased. Mark Kermode didn't like Kill Bill, but he at least made an unbiased review of it....
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
@BaubleRob About Transformers...Not that 14 year old boys necessarily make an actual review of the Transformers films, or really films in general; however, if they were to, it'd still be fairly meaningless. Because it's aimed at their age group, they're most likely going to enjoy it regardless. Their opinion is only meaningless, however, if they are average for that age. If they're like I was when I was at that age, an aspiring student of cinema, they might have a reasonable judgment of films.
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
Uma Thurman is Clint Eastwood in that film? Guess I better saw my own head off right now.
heliumtrophy 2 weeks ago
@heliumtrophy Well, you clearly aren't the most familiar with spaghetti westerns. The Bride very much had a "Man With No Name" personality and the fact that she did some of the things in the film reflects the "badass" that character has always been acquainted in westerns. You probably only know Eastwood from the Chuck Norris-esque status he's been given by the general culture...Most of you on here aren't the most wise, logical, or educated of folks.
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
@Transformers2themax I take it Play Misty for Me doesn't count as Eastwood education. No what I objected to was crass cross-referencing of films that bear no relation to each other than people going "whoa that was pretty badass, just like what Clint Eastwood did in Dirty Harry." Nice of you to take such a dismissive view on what was a sarcastic response to dumb statements. I am well aware that sarcasm doesn't always translate on the net.
heliumtrophy 2 weeks ago
@heliumtrophy Oh...Okay. Well, thank you for understanding my misinterpretation of your comment. I myself can understand your frustration.
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
Ish. Actually Kermode's good too.
TheHappo 2 weeks ago
Bonnie Greer, spot on.
TheHappo 2 weeks ago
What bothers me about this discussion is that nobody brings up Uma Thurman's awful performance. She was never cut out for lead roles.
NotHomelessAnymore 3 weeks ago
@NotHomelessAnymore WHAT? Lol. Someone doesn't know how to judge an individual's acting performance. Her acting of The Bride was spot-on. What else have you seen her in? She's even surprised me with her range. I don't believe you understand acting. You have to be convincing and as if you're in the action, which Uma demonstrated fairly well. In your simpleton terminology, "you don't just do it"...every movement you make is being filmed and each must be convincing....
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
@NotHomelessAnymore You know what I think? You, like a lot of the dull types who have no patience for any action, just didn't enjoy the film and now you are trying to find justifications for why. If you don't enjoy exploitation cinema, you probably won't enjoy Tarantino. You know, if it's such a "rip-off" (homage) in your eyes; if it's such a remake, then why don't you review all of the films it's "ripping off"? See if that gets you anywhere.
Transformers2themax 2 weeks ago
@Transformers2themax You know there are straw man arguments and then there is making stuff up and putting words in my mouth. I never offered my opinion on exploitation movies or Tarantino's homages to them (didn't it cross your mind I might like Tarantino?). I just think Uma Thurman's terrible lead performance ruined the movie (well... and the poor script). I really don't know where to begin picking apart the rest of your flawed logic so I won't bother. Have a nice day.
NotHomelessAnymore 1 week ago
@NotHomelessAnymore Terrible lead performance?! That's a laugh. She's the best part of the film. She actually made Bruce Lee's jumpsuit look good. You obviously don't know too much about it. The character was written for her; in fact, both Quentin and Uma came up with the character together--on the set of Pulp Fiction. The fact that it was almost this combination of creative minds is what makes the Bride character so special. Only Uma Thurman could have played her....
Transformers2themax 1 week ago
@NotHomelessAnymore And why is it that whenever you or anyone else call someone a "bad actor", you never provide any facts to back up your argument? It's just "He/she's a bad actor/actress" and that's that. It's almost as if it's because you didn't like their performance--not because it was actually bad. Acting requires a lot of skill period. To just talk to someone onscreen or make casual gestures that folks do in everyday life is incredibly difficult...You wouldn't understand.
Transformers2themax 1 week ago
Bonnie Greer is an IDIOT!
GoddessKylee 3 weeks ago
What a stupid bitch, who needs to be constantly reminded of films they know in order to enjoy a film they are currently watching. Shut up you idiot.
qwertyuiopdan1 4 weeks ago
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I hate how if a woman is given a typically male role, no matter what other flaws the film has, certain feminists will call it a great film singularly for its gender-alignment. Kill Bill is a boring, overly-violent, overly-referential and infantile piece of action schlock with the worst use of non-linear narrative in recent film history.
666deadman1988 1 month ago
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666deadman1988 1 month ago
So annoying that I'm trying to quote Bonnie Greer for my film studies coursework about Tarantino but those guys keep interrupting her so I cant complete the quote... -.-
Joeboy2393 1 month ago
@Joeboy2393 Cite what you can from BG (referencing it accordingly to avoid plagiarism!) and then complete it with your own words to get the kudos :)
oneworldfamily 1 month ago
'We don't have to see another one do we'.
burlearth 1 month ago
Michael Winner didn't make a great film, yeah right what about fucking Death Wish you tossers! Kill Bill wasn't supposed to be Shakespeare or anything of great depth, but it was a fun martial arts revenge movie. I agree it is not one of Quentin's best, but it was still fun and memorable.
paulod27 1 month ago
@paulod27 Death Wish is not a great film, it's fun at best.
burlearth 1 month ago
this is why i trust Marks opinion, cuz he isnt afraid of making the unpopular choice.. he doesnt just enjoy a movie cuz mass amounts of people praise it. Its tons of action to make up for how fucking boring it is! people just love violence too much.
TankMacnamara81 1 month ago
I can`t fucking stand when people say oh there is a rape scene this means the film is sexist. Fucking think. Idiots.
louiscfc93 2 months ago
@louiscfc93 - Wow. What an incisive observation and a brilliantly judged argument. If only I'd written 'Fucking think. Idiots.' I'd have brought those piss poor Sam Peckinpah disciples to their knees, wouldn't I? Thanks for settling the argument conclusively, though. I feel a sense of closure.
aerialkate 1 month ago
I respect Kermode but disagree with him on this one, I'm glad he thinks it's not sexist, not really sure where Hislop get's that idea?
SnoopyChicken 2 months ago
Why is women acting like men considered feminism?
cheeseofultimatedoom 2 months ago 3
@cheeseofultimatedoom Because (some) feminists think women should have the opportunity any way they like, including in (traditionally considered) masculine ways - and that the reverse should be true.
mlippm 2 months ago
"It doesn't have any three dimensional characters"?! "An entirely witless and babyish film"!?
What the fuck were they smoking? Ian Hislop, I am disappointed in you.
CriminalQueer 2 months ago
nobody lets Bonnie Greer say her piece. wankers.
bigswellmusic 2 months ago 2
I love references in movies, it feeds my nostalgic nature
SamHain1031666 2 months ago
I cannot fucking stand Ian Hislop
TopDog69 2 months ago
Ian Hislop's such a prick that he makes me want to like Kill Bill.
Lesartiste 2 months ago
By the way, I'm going to bed now. Or to watch 'Bambi' or something. I might post again tomorrow, if I can be arsed.
aerialkate 2 months ago
@aerialkate Well in that case I'll be watching Faster Pusycat! Kill! Kill! If we're both going to act like we're being victimised and placed into stereotypes, we may as well do it properly. Nighty night x
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
Agree with Greer. Look at the scene where Thurman is lying in her 'coma' when the guy pays the orderly to rape her while she's incapacitated. Most directors tell lies about showing us the 'horror of rape'. They then shoot the scene from the rapist's perspective. No fun in showing it from the victim's (an ugly, sweaty man raining punches down ) - because we can't get a good look at the actress's tits then. K.B. doesn't celebrate violence against women - unlike 'A Clockwork Orange'.
aerialkate 2 months ago
@aerialkate A Clockwork Orange does not celebrate violence against women. And I don't think you can suggest that the man who made Death Proof is some feminist crusader.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat - I didn't imply that the man who made 'Death Proof' is a feminist crusader, I was commenting on Kill Bill, otherwise I would have commented about the film 'Death Proof' wouldn't I?. 'A Clockwork Orange' does celebrate violence against women. The sexual violence is played for laughs. The original poster for the film featured Alex brandishing a knife between a woman's legs. One of the stills of the rape scenes was reproduced in a Playboy spread. You got a daughter?
aerialkate 2 months ago
@aerialkate Have you ever seen A Clockwork Orange? Everything that happens prior to Alex's incarceration is designed to be as morally reprehensible as possible, to make the films major question (Alex is clearly a monster, but does that justify what is done to him? Is it better to force somebody to be good than to allow them to be a monster? Is the removal of free will a price worth paying?) as troubling as possible. (Run out of room, I'll carry on in a separate post)
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat - Of-course I've seen it. Don't patronise me mister, I'm probably 20 years older than you. I remember the character killed by a dildo. I remember those times. I remember Norman Mailer bleating on about how women were going to 'go off' men to make love to their vibrators (if he'd been a woman they'd have called him an hysteric). So many men were threatened by feminism back then. ' A Clockwork Orange' is the result. Got a daughter?
aerialkate 2 months ago
@aerialkate *Sigh* That was an expression of disbelief, not a genuine question. And if you don't want to be patronised, don't call people 'mister'. This game could go on all night. And I see, Got A Daughter is a supposedly amusing sign-off designed to annoy me, how very clever.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat - Believe me I take no joy whatsoever in having to argue with you. In fact I find it utterly depressing that I have to. I've simply noticed that young men in particular often champion what they perceive as 'edgy' directors and assume anyone who finds them repellent must go home and watch 'The Sound of Music' each night. It's just such a shame to me that 'edgy' all too often means 'fucking sad exploitation of sexual violence against women'.
aerialkate 2 months ago
@aerialkate Actually it was one rape, not a spate (not that that makes it any better). Natural Born Killers inspired someone to commit a murder, but it was still a horrifying satire on the media's portrayal of violence. To be honest I think you'd be hard pressed to find anybody who didn't admire Kubrick as a film maker, nobody thinks he was edgy. Personally I think his films are flawed, but still incredible achievements. (I'll continue...)
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@aerialkate And please don't make sweeping assumptions, Lars Von Trier is considered an 'edgy' director and I dislike his films precisely because of their misogynistic undertones. I don't champion Tarantino, precisely because I think his films have become silly, flashy and infantile. And in some cases, not exactly great in their attitude towards women.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@aerialkate If you think that 'Most directors' film rape scenes for celebration and enjoyment of violence, and from the male perspective, then I suggest you change which movies you watch. What about Irreversible, or even The Last House On The Left (incidentally, Wes Craven walked out of Reservoir Dogs because he thought the violence had no meaning or point). And what does having a daughter have to do with anything? Don't you dare try and take the moral high ground just because you are a parent.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Why do you think 'Playboy' used the spread from 'Orange'? Why do you think Kubrick allowed it to be used? Does your faith in Kubrick's good intentions seem credulous now? There were a spate of violent rapes after 'ACO's release committed by creeps dressed as Alex and his pals. It's notable how many films are accepted as 'inspiring'. Men will tell you they learned to box after watching 'Rocky' etc, Yet Kubrick's defenders will swear as to the benignity of ACR. Hmm.
aerialkate 2 months ago
@aerialkate Wow, a third post... The point to which I first responded still stands, that Tarantino is not the only, or even the first, director to portray rape as it should be shown: absolutely horrifying and repugnant. In fact, if he even did so, it was probably by accident.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat - I'm not calling you a rapist, potential rapist or even a misogynist. I am asking you to think deeply about how you would have felt had you been a rape victim watching films like 'Orange'. If the scenes depicting violence against women (and men) had been handled responsibly I would have no problem with it. Like 'The Accused' for example. We won't change each others minds, that's clear. But for me 'Orange' is rape as porn. That's why Playboy liked it you know...
aerialkate 2 months ago
@aerialkate 'I'm not calling you a rapist'!? I never said you were, how dare you fucking say such a thing. I was willing to have a proper conversation, as I actually do acknowledge that the rape scenes in ACO could have been better handled, although I still don't think that this was the film's intention (I'd also like to see proof of this Playboy story, as I can find none) but not if you're going to be that patronising and smug and downright insulting.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat - Would you please stop saying 'how dare you'? You sound like Mrs Slocombe from 'Are you Being Served'? Why on earth would you protest that I'm not calling you a rapist? The idea was to quell any 'YOU TYPES THINK ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS' response, not necessarily from yourself but from other posters. Believe me, you have no idea how defensive people can be when someone makes a post from a feminist angle. Calm down dear...as our dear PM would say. If you were a woman...
aerialkate 2 months ago
@aerialkate It was more the soothing, teeth grindingly patronising way that you put it. What I objected to most was just how off topic this has become. My original point still stands, that Tarantino is actually more exploitative of violence towards women than the average film director.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat LOL. Now you're accusing Death Proof of celebrating violence towards women? You either haven't seen the film or are just too close-minded to be watching anything by Tarantino in the first place. The film actually portrays the girls at the end as badasses, if you were too absent in the head to notice. And although I do love A Clockwork Orange and consider it to be a work of artistic genius along with all of Kubrick's other works, I agree that it does glorify rape.
Transformers2themax 2 months ago
@Transformers2themax Okay, where do I begin... First of all, you have absolutely no idea of what films I do and do not like, whereas I know that you like Transformers (so don't talk to me about the artistic qualities of films, or feminism for that matter). I never said Tarantino spoofed things, I know a homage when I see one, and having them constantly flung in my face is not 'artistic'. And eight actors turned down Death Proof before Kurt Russell. Eight.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Perhaps, maybe I don't know what kind of films you like or dislike. But you saying that I obviously like Transformers is almost the same type of judgment. I can tell what you dislike at least. They're not constantly flung in your face if you really think about it. He may go overboard with it but does it ruin the film for most folks? Not really. And eight actors turned the role down because "none were able to work due to prior commitments". Do some actual research for once.
Transformers2themax 2 months ago
@Transformers2themax Yeah, sure, all eight of them. Including the one's whose careers were in the dumps. I actually really like Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown, and there were moments of brilliance of Inglourious Basterds. The reason I brought up your username is that you can't reconcile your supposedly intellectual, liberal mindset with those crass, puerile, misogynist, racist pieces of trash.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Regardless if you like Jackie Brown or not, it is still probably his worst film. It's too generic. Tarantino films aren't supposed to be generic--they're supposed to be unique and mind-blowing. That film was in now way like that and felt like your generic modern crime film. Plus, the fact that it's based off an actual novel makes it one of his least original. Kill Bill may be structured like the usual revenge stage in drama, but it is still genius compared to Jackie Brown.
Transformers2themax 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat And the reason I have the username that I do is for the exact reason in which you attacked me for it. It's troll bait; therefore, if you take a potshot at it, you're obviously a troll. Only a hater with nothing else to say to backup their argument or case would use the other individual's username as an insult against them. Yes, I did enjoy the first two Transformers films, but in no way will I compare them to Tarantino works.
Transformers2themax 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Now it is very clear that you're just your average stuck-up Tarantino hater, desperately trying to find justifications for your hatred of him and anyone who enjoys his films.
Transformers2themax 2 months ago
Kill Bill stinks!
mengutimur 2 months ago
How this man is a film critic? He HATES Movies!!!
Tell us Please what movies you liked??? Just one ...... tell us
Flower1207 2 months ago
I also love how they said that they were bored by the film. Says quite a lot about their attention spans. Morons.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
What a bunch of prententious arseholes. Kill Bill is a classic! kermode is meant to be one most experienced film critics in the world and he trashes this!? what a prick, oh and why is hislop on here? stick to politics pal...you wouldnt see tarentino reviewing the tory manifesto
sapas100 3 months ago
@sapas100 Kind of like how FOX News is always hating on violent but artistic films and video games in the US. Lol.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
She doesn't know shit about movies, lol.
benroo89 3 months ago
@benroo89 Actually, her interpretation of the symbolism in Kill Bill is quite intelligent. i would have never thought of that until she pointed it out, and I'm a film buff. I absolutely love cinema and plan to be a director and screenwriter someday. Tarantino is an artist, and art is something people tend to commonly misinterpret..especially when British males are reviewing an American film.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax Mate, Kermode knows a lot more than both of us. Kill Bill is pretty bad.
benroo89 3 months ago
@benroo89 Yeah, right. Because you're from the UK too. I'm not bowing down to some cocky film critic that enjoys regular happy/feel-good movies. He's not willing to admit it, but the main reason he dislikes Tarantino's style is because of how old school it is. He's too ignorant to notice any of the pop-culture references and that's why he is so frustrated by it. You know what this reminds me of? (Cont.).....
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax Kermode is way above this movie. He's seen thousands of movies more intelligent than this. I watch intelligent movies like The Godfather and Raging Bull. Kill Bill is not intelligent. Pop culture references are cheap. I love Kubrick's movies, by the way. Not intelligent enough to understand? I listen to Coltrane and Beethoven and I read about quantum mechanics. Kill Bill is just below me. If you actually like Transformers (the movie), don't reply to me again, please.
benroo89 3 months ago
@benroo89 (Cont.).........You know what this reminds me of? I once saw a video on here of a kid hating on Stanley Kubrick because he didn't understand 2001: A Space Odyssey or A Clockwork Orange....That's what this reminds me of. It's the oldest trick in the book--hate on something you're not intelligent enough to understand. There's too much subtext in Tarantino films for you people to just say it's "pretty bad". You Brits need to stick to Monty Python.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax Never say "I'm a film buff". That makes me think you're not. You can't expect people to just accept that you know a lot about films. You need to actually give credible arguments. Then people will say you're a film buff.
benroo89 3 months ago
@benroo89 Hey, I'm not bragging like I'm some kind of expert. I don't know everything about film. Being a film buff just means that film's something you enjoy; it's a hobby. I study film. It's a hobby for me. I'm just laying facts. Perhaps saying I'm a film buff could lead to me being an expert, but that's not what I'm saying. I just know when there's artistic value in a film like Kill Bill and find people who are unable to see it to be ignorant and close-minded.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax This doesn't have shit to do with nationality. I watch many films and most of them are American. Tarantino was a better director than he is now. He directed some good films in the 90s.
benroo89 3 months ago
@benroo89 What I'm saying is that these people don't know what they're talking about because American pop-culture is something that people of other countries tend to misunderstand. Sure, it may not be as symbolic or as artistic as Pulp Fiction, but there's still something there. If you watch interviews of Tarantino, it's interesting the things that he points out.....(Cont.).....
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@benroo89 (Cont.).When you go to a film like this, regardless if you like it or not, you still find something to actually talk about. And when you start to judge it, you begin to realize that there's more there...There's subtext there. See, it seems like the people that actually try to justify their disappointment in it are the ones that contradict themselves. In film, subtext is often accidentally included. You don't know where it originated, it's just there.....And that is what makes it art.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
The woman there couldn't have said it any better. Though admittedly not that much of a Tarantino fan, evem she thought it was a good film! Only the pissy, foul-humored, ignorant "reviewers" like the guys here would think of Kill Bill as nothing but glorified violence. In order to understand a Tarantino film, you have to think with the mindset of an artist. You can't just be opinionated and self-linked with it. The fight scenes in both volumes are some of the best in cinema history.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
It's not a surprise that these nimrods disliked the film, trashing it as a "entirely witless and babyish film". They're British, white-bread conservatives! Of course they're not going to get it. Kill Bill is probably Tarantino's best produced film. The pacing, fight scenes, and creatively cliched storyline as well as the beautiful soundtrack and '70s-era pop-culture references combine to make a great film. To me, Inglourious Basterds wasn't as clever or fresh. Kill Bill actually had a full plot.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax do your research!
Mark Kermode is one of the UK's best and beloved movie critics. He wears his heart on his sleeve and if you listen to him, he was just disappointed in the lack of apparent progression Tarantino took after Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown. At the end of the day, he's expressing an opinion. You don't have to agree with him to absorb his points.
And Ian Hislop, editor of Private Eye, a "white-bread conservative"? Please!
neuro 3 months ago
@neuro They're British, so they need to review British films--not American ones. I mean, I don't review Harry Potter films, do I? No. I like them, but I probably don't understand them the way Brits do; so I don't feel there is a need to analyze it. See, here in the US, when a film is actually artistic, it's either misunderstood and hated on or respected. Only a conservative with a low tolerance for actual action wouldn't be able to handle Kill Bill.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax because they're British, they should only review "British films", despite the fact the bulk of movies released in the UK are produced in/from the United States? Are you nuts?
neuro 3 months ago
@neuro A Brit is very likely not going to understand American cinema. In fact, they hardly understand anything about us, regardless if they produce it. Kill Bill definitely is not as artistic or symbolic as Pulp Fiction or reservoir Dogs, but it certainly has some elements of it there. I mean, it IS Tarantino. It's supposed to be fun, and not in a reckless, idiotic way. There are some of us that actually like violence in film. So calling Kill Bill "witless and babyish" contradicts itself.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax How do you know they're conservative? Mark Kermode is actually very liberal and his review often reflect this, although Hislop is a self-confessed small 'c' conservative. And why would nationality have any bearing on this? Kill Bill was definitely a step backwards for Tarantino, who'd been developing well up until that point. It was just... okay.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 3 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat I agree, it was more less a barrage of pop-culture references and eye-candy. But does that make it a bad film? Well, it depends on your preferences. I personally liked the fact that it was more of an action and pacing driven story. However what makes me love it so is because of how brick solid it is. In other movies these days where girls are supposed to be the badasses, they overdo it. They provide no personality to it. In this, Uma Thurman just IS a badass.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat And you know, I'm really not into films about women kicking ass for that same reason. This just really touched me on a personal level. It felt motivational. I mean, I'm a dude but I like the fact that Uma Thurman is a female warrior; that she's a female avenger.If you pay attention, there's a hidden spaghetti western element included that is very cliched, but in an original way. Come to think of it, Uma Thurman IS like the female Clint Eastwood as "The Man With No Name".
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Plus, the reason that they're British means that they're likely to misunderstand American cinema due to the common dislike of us by the Brits. They really need to just stick to reviewing their own country's films. I don't try to analyze or decipher Harry Potter. You know why? Because the Brits may have a different sense of humor, they have have a different reason for doing things in the film. So, I don't review it. Instead, I try to enjoy it for what it is.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax The last point was one of the most hilarious, blinkered and stupid things I've ever heard anyone say. I don't even know where to begin with it... Kermode clearly states that he loved Tarantino's previous films but that he found Kill Bill lacking, and I have to say I agree with him. The fact that he and I are both british is totally irrelevant, it's not a case of not 'getting' it, and people should be allowed to review whatever damn movie they want to.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax (cont.) Also, don't moan about the world hating america (which statistics actually show isn't entirely true anyway), then imply that all British people are 'white bread conservatives'. And why do you seem to think that Harry Potter is representative of an entire country's film output? I recently reviewed Drive for my student newspaper, why exactly should I have not done so? Or maybe you just heard what Kermode said about Transformers and Michael Bay and are just bitter.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax Also, third and final point: don't go on and on about us not being able to understand American pop-culture in relation to a film that actually takes most of it's influences, nods and homages from Asian cinema.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 3 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat You're right, it does pay an homage to '70s Asian cinema. However, it's still an American film. He based Kill Bill off the American interpretation of those films. And actually, only half of it is an homage to old martial arts films. The other half is spaghetti westerns, girls with guns, and rape and revenge which are mainly a part of American Grindhouse cinema. Except for the westerns which were predominantly Italian. If you don't like the film, so be it. Just respect it.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax I notice you only replied to one of my points... But most spaghetti westerns were A) made in Europe, hence the name, and B) heavily influenced by, and often straight remakes of, Asian films. For instance, A Fitsful Of Dollars is a straight remake of Yojimbo. I get the whole I Spit On Your Grave rape and revenge thing, but that's only a small part of the film. It's also clearly influenced by Death Wish, directed by a (admittedly terrible) British director.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax And please don't play the "you don't understand it, like you don't understand Kubrick" and then seriously suggest that Transformers is a good film. I take no accusations of lack of intelligence or understanding from a man who lists his interests as a catalogue of wars, 'guns' , 'Megan Fox', and likes Michael Bay movies.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 3 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Hey, I'm not a Michale Bay fan. I just find Transformers to be an amusing film. It's not very artistic, but its a good film otherwise, depending on your preferences. I mean, it's not nearly as good as most films, but it's certainly better than a lot of movies made nowadays. Kill Bill's kind of similar. I agree, it's not ingenious; but to call it "unclever" would show you're looking from an oppinionated perspective rather than a sophisticated one.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax I never called it "unclever". It isn't. (Although Transformers is. Unclever and offensive). It was just a step backwards for him. The reason I looked at your account was to try and get past the air of pseudo-intellectualism you are portraying. Childish and petty, but hey, I never said I wasn't. You didn't use any sort of logic, you just claimed that people should only review films from their country of origin, one of the stupidest suggestions I've ever heard.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 3 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Lol. Again with the opinionated statements and insultsn, it's not a surprise for that's what you Brits are best at. I didn't say that you don't have right to review another country's artwork--I just think it's more reasonable to review your own's. Art is a complicated subject, and the reasons for making it vary depending on who you are, what race you are, what culture you are, what religion you practice, what experiences you've had, where you're from, and where you've been.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax Ah, national stereotyping! That will fix things! Quite bizarre of you to accuse me of making opinionated statements, then use a national stereotype as a basis for your argument. Of course I'm talking about the film subjectively, it is impossible to watch a film objectively (to my mind this is one of the most beautiful things about cinema)
MrKeepitunderyourhat 3 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat If I were to sink myself to your level, I'd call you a snotty, uptight, self-centered Brit who needs to bathe more often--but I'm not going to do that. You could accuse me of such for listing what I just did, but that was not a direct opinion. I just feel as though you're basing everything you say off your own personal feelings toward the film and using insults toward me to shadow the fact; to back yourself up. Maybe you're the one thinking with "Childish and petty" ideals.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax Saying that people should stick to the films of their own country is frankly stupid, insulting and would limit people's ability to examine and enjoy cinema in it's wider context. Your opinion of Kill Bill is irrelevant to me, I don't mind that we disagree about it. The reason I reacted to you in the first place was that I totally disagree with your idea of enforced cultural divides.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax Out of interest, what about Apocalypse Now? An american movie about an american war, based on a British book about British concerns by an English author of Polish origin?
MrKeepitunderyourhat 3 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Still, an American interpretation. Although race has nothing to do with it, origin leads to possible race, which leads to possible culture, which leads to possible religion, which leads to possible beliefs.....Therefore, an American interpreting something made by one country, and then British interpreting that interpretation can be affected depending on what I just listed. Race and origin has nothing to do with the right, my friend--it's the accuracy of the interpretation.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax Rubbish, I totally disagree. It is more than possible for me to interpret an American movie more accurately than you, just as it could be possible for you to more accurately interpret a British movie than me. Some films have archetypal themes and characters that transcend national cultural divides. And you ignored the point I made in the first of the last group of comments.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 3 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Ignored your comments? I was replying to each of them. Lol. And how is it that an American can interpret a British film better than a Brit, whereas a Brit can interpret an American film better than an American? That makes about as much sense as what you had mistaken my comments for meaning. Americans are gonna understand American pop-culture better than anybody else, just as Brits are gonna understand British pop-culture better than anyone other than a Brit. Common sense.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago 2
@Transformers2themax
They are not the same though. British kids are raised on American pop-culture.
American kids have never had to endure British pop-culture.
OneBigRetard 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax Well, you didn't, but anyway. Why should an in depth knowledge of a country's pop culture be needed to watch a film produced in that country? Just because Kill Bill is the visual equivalent of a kid showing you all his favourite films at once, not every film is crammed full of pop culture references. And as I've already mentioned, most of the pop culture references in Kill Bill are from Asian cinema.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat I wouldn't say an in depth knowledge, but instead a good understanding of. Be that as it may, origin doesn't have the largest impact. Any intelligent individual with an artistic, liberal mindset will understand anything made by Tarantino. There is too much substance in a piece like Kill Bill to just define it "the visual equivalent of a kid showing you all his favourite films at once". True, he does sometimes go overboard with the references. Regardless, he's an artist.
Transformers2themax 2 months ago
@Transformers2themax You do realise you just contradicted all your previous points? If anyone with those attributes can understand his films, why were you previously saying that all film criticism should be based on nationality? 'Origin doesn't have the largest impact': Then why bring up pop culture references in the first place? (Run out of room, I'll carry on in another post)
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@Transformers2themax Tarantino is one of the only film-makers to make such extensive use of pop culture references, so even the most basic understanding of the country in which a film was produced will be more than enough for someone to understand the vast majorities of films.
MrKeepitunderyourhat 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat One of the ONLY? His films don't spoof other films--they pay homage to them. He's practically taking aspects from them and improving them. I mean, I love older exploitation films and all, but are they really as good as Tarantino's? I love spaghetti westerns, but I enjoy Inglourious Basterds even more. You stuck-up types that consider yourselves "critics" like Cur-mode here are just too ignorant to appreciate artistic film. Do us all a favor and stick to High School Musical.
Transformers2themax 2 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat It's an opinion driven film. You either like it or don't like it. There's subtext there, regardless if you like it or not. Perhaps it's just the action that makes it special. It has more action, which makes it more authentic because that was one of the general purposes of those '70s Asian martial arts/action films. Technologically, it was a step forward. In no way was it a step backward. He was experimenting. And now that he has the money to do it, his films are improving.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat And I'd also like to note that it's quite unprofessional of you using my YouTube page which I probably haven't updated in awhile as a method of making me look bad; as if I don't know what I'm talking about. Are you that socially limited? I don't feel the need to insult you in anyway. I suppose we have a disagrement here and I'm noly trying to settle it with logic. You're just basing all your points off of personal preferences. Well, FYI--Kill Bill's an opinion driven film.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@MrKeepitunderyourhat Yes, those films were all made by countires other an the U.S.....but what country's problems were they about? And don't forget that Clint Eastwood, an American actor, often starred as the main character of most of them. Plus, Kill Bill is an American film; an American interpretation of the films it's based off of. So British critics(plus a politican who shouldn't be there) judging it as if it has no thought is not a surprise, for they've been critiquing us for centuries.
Transformers2themax 3 months ago
@Transformers2themax I recently wrote a very favourable review of Drive for my student newspaper. Should I have not done so? Is my opinion of the film invalid?
MrKeepitunderyourhat 3 months ago
mmm who invited the black chick?
guitarreilly 3 months ago
@guitarreilly What? Shut the fuck up you imbecile.....
DUGMAC1973 3 months ago
People are obsessed with things making sense. Language obsessed. Just watch it.
ToneSpectra 3 months ago
It's a revenge movie. Talk about overanalysing....
TheEvilelvis89 4 months ago
The points the woman makes, is enough for me to call this movie awesome. Kermode had some good points, and the other guy was just talking out of his ass.
sinbysin666 4 months ago
Greer got this right with a bit of Mark thats my opinion i loved it but at times it is extremely dull
gwain30 4 months ago
This is probably the first time ive dissagreed with Mark, i loved Kill Bill
SamHain1031666 4 months ago
@SamHain1031666 I disagree with Mark a lot. Especially in recent years as he's sort of cultivated a reputation of hating quite a lot of films, often doing so with very little legitimate reason.
switchbuckle5th 2 months ago
@switchbuckle5th I agree, its almost as if he enjoys hating everything
SamHain1031666 2 months ago
@SamHain1031666 I'll agree with that. I often find myself amused now that, for instance, Kermode made his name as horror movie guy...and now seems to hate every single horror movie that comes out for little to no real reason. For instance if you listen to his review for The Nightmare on Elm Street remake he criticizes the movie for things that aren't even true, like the color scheme. That movie was mediocre at best, but clearly he had predetermined to hate it.
switchbuckle5th 2 months ago
@switchbuckle5th That color scheme was dull. the origenla was red. and im not just saying that . i hade to agree with kermods review. also the acting was boring and so on and so on. out of curisosty realy question. was els didnt you agree in his critizizion
dornravlin 2 months ago
3:38 WHAT?! Bonnie Greer cannot be serious
AndPlus 4 months ago
Kill Bill was fairly middling, though it was refreshing to see women in those sorts of hyper-violent action roles (putting aside if you enjoy hyper-violence at all.)
gaggle64 4 months ago
Kill Bill, or Kill Bill's are crap. Utter crap. Tarantino jumped the shark with this one. He was still jumping with Death Proof and nearly landed with Basterds.
SharkTheBruce 4 months ago
Kill Bill is The Shawshank Redemption with samurai swords. The ShawSHANK Redemption if you will. Or perhaps SwordSkank Revenge? There is a pun in there somewhere.
ukulazy 4 months ago
@ukulazy You write this witless crap and my opinion is shit. You're right in a way, when dealing with nonsense like this film, it's best to to be brief. It's total shite!!
flaxonx3 4 months ago
@flaxonx3 Witless? I wasn't trying to be witty. I'm just being honest.
ukulazy 3 months ago
I don't think the sexual politics of Kill Bill are bad, but Kill Bill volume 1 is essentially a fightfightfight anime, which spends an inordinate amount of time on a character who amounts to very little (Lucy Liu's character) and manages to de-fang any tension by skipping ahead in the timeline (which volume 2 also does).
Volume 2 is better, but it's very plodding and boring in comparison to the constant action of the first. Entire scenes are unneeded and unwelcome. Overall, sub-par.
TheSamuraiGoomba 4 months ago
oh man i fuckin hate mark kermode.
MURKYDEEP100 4 months ago
Kill Bill is just a fun straightforward revenge flick, nothing more and nothing less. Kill Bill 2 is deeper and more meaningful. The two complement each other very well.
paulod27 5 months ago
Agreed pointless film
iluvmusicqwe 5 months ago
Campy, B-movie fun. And it is fun. Its not Pulp Fiction, but at no point is it ever trying to be. People are taking it too seriously.
reservoirdog666 5 months ago
Also, Bonnie Greer is the most pretentious person I've ever seen/
alwayswinit4real 5 months ago
Both Kill Bill films are utter shit.
alwayswinit4real 5 months ago
Haven't seen this film but I know it's shit. I just have to glimpse snaps of it to know it's self indulgent garbage. A super model dressed up as Bruce Lee killing loads of people. Total nonsense. If it was a Monty Pythonesque surreal comedy it might work.
flaxonx3 6 months ago
@flaxonx3 Your opinion is shit.
ukulazy 4 months ago
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flaxonx3 6 months ago
People tell me that Tarantino is the anti-Hollywood, but he's actually PRO Hollywood, as he is a major component of the system. Kubrick and Lynch were the anti-Hollywood, as it took them DECADES to be able to make the films they wanted to. Tarantino climbed the chain really quickly because his style is exactly like Hollywood - dumb, testosterone driven films for "all audiences". More people can enjoy Kill Bill than Eraserhead or Eyes Wide Shut, and that's what makes Tarantino a Hollywood guy.
Bassbait 6 months ago 7
Hislop massively out of his depth...
MartyFunkhouser00 6 months ago
why is the fatuous prick Hislop reviewing films. grumpy old man.
djmax2k6 6 months ago
I prefer Part 1 over Part 2.
dovestones 6 months ago
Kermode and Hislop can fuck off.
TemplePhantom 6 months ago
Mark Kermode reviews the film he wants to see, not what he is seeing.
daglassey 7 months ago
@daglassey Not really :)
TheScriptTV 6 months ago
Kermode is a moron.
TheJakebridgeman 7 months ago
@TheJakebridgeman This comment made me laugh :L
TheScriptTV 6 months ago
Ian Hislop is a prick.
klaos9999 7 months ago
Greer: "You're making the movie as you're looking at it."
Lawson: "Isn't that the director's job?"
Brilliant.
marasmusine 7 months ago 10
I agree with Bonnie
Nick4700 7 months ago
A film being episodic isn't a valid criticism: it's not even a valid literary criticism if that is, in fact, what the creator intended.
allaboutdmagic 7 months ago
I think Ian Hislop and Mark Kermode dislike it for different reasons. Ian Hislop simly hates it because he hates violence and Kermode dislikes it because it's boring and two dimensional. Ian Hislop comes off as a complete tw*t whereas Kermode's criticisms are justified. I like Kill Bill but I was dissapointed.
themenaceanish 7 months ago
@themenaceanish He's entirely right though. It's a childish piece of nonsense with superfluous violence.
alwayswinit4real 5 months ago
This film was a pastiche of the revenge genre.
Yes, it's flawed, as Kermode mentioned but these flaws were intentional as they're characteristic of revenge movies.
Tarantino achieved what he intended, whether or not you like this movie is another matter.
TenWhoWereTaken 7 months ago
Bonnie Greer has a real talent for chatting absolute bollocks whenever she opens her mouth
mrfrostynova 7 months a