Rowan Williams responds to Pope's new Apostolic Constitution for deserting Anglicans

[AntPDC]

I do respect and admire Archbishop Rowan. He has an extremely tough job, which he does with insight, intelligence, grace and piety. He has steady hands at the helm of the Anglican Communion in particularly turbulent times. God bless him in his task.

[beaverone100]

Dancing, everybody's dancing. What ever happened to the Thirty Nine Articles? When the Anglican Church had a doctrinal standard they produced great hymnody and were a powerful force for missionary activity. Archbishop Cranmer died at the stake professing his Reformation faith. As you know, he authored the Book of Common Prayer. Cooperation, yes. Selling out, no.

[miladmeah]

while the Dalai Lama enjoys his world tours he remains silent about the beheading of Buddhist children & monks in southern Thailand and clearly says little about the ban on Buddhism in Saudi Arabia

Even worse, the Dalai Lama praises Islam while fellow Buddhists are being slaughtered and persecuted in southern Thailand

Western duplicity is the problem, countless Christian leaders etc. say the same while Somali Christian converts are being hounded down and slaughtered.

visit: "faithfreedom.or g"

[willthacheerleader18]

I hope one day the Anglican Communion will again be one with the Holy See.

We have so many similar beliefs and practices.

[Nimo753]

@willthacheerleader18

Than the anglican arch-bishop will lead the whole congragation? so that truth will be surfaced.

[ministercreek]

@willthacheerleader18 Don't worry the two false churches will merge. The Anglican Church will return to the fold of Rome. Both Churches are apostate.

[MrJayguess]

@ministercreek apostate??? so which is the TRUE church? the one that YOU support I guess?

[CREATION2THE3ND]

I'm a proud anglican, the Christian church has no place for gay clergymen. It's against the foundations of Christ. he came to save us from that lifestyle, not ordain it. I love the gays, I have friends who are gay and they are dear to me. But this is against Christ. I must pick Christ before any man!

[willthacheerleader18]

@CREATION2THE3ND they can be gay, i think, but celibate. A devout gay person can help be a sheppherd to other gay christians.

[infidel1978]

@willthacheerleader18 No they can't

[Music4urGlory]

@infidel1978 I think that the homosexually inclined Christians are called to remain celibate. Not sure about them serving as leaders though.

[WayOfTheMaster454]

Tired of a church that celebrates sin and evil? Come home to Rome, the true Body of Christ.

[MrNafetalai]

@WayOfTheMaster454

WHo says , God ? Stop dreaming

[fishintheflow]

@WayOfTheMaster454 If you could drop the whole "no married priests and bishops" line, which of course was not always the case, I suspect a great many more of us would be happy to approach Rome.

[AlicontradictsAle]

@BibleProclaimer559 Anglicans, through the religious equivalent of a big bang and through some very intelligent men, feel somehow more close to the church of Jesus Christ than any other Christian Orthodox or Catholic, who are still paying their due to what Constantine the "Great" decided was "organized religion".

[HammertheHeretics]

Or in other words dear Archbishop your church is in trouble due to it`s support for divorce,homosexuality,contrace­ption, and the ordination of women as priests and bishops.

[4he41]

it doesnt realy matter if it was peter, Jon or James -numslucks - there are millions of Anglicans and Catholics out there with no food , shelter and love - Why dont Rowan and Pope focus on these matters in which it is the True will of God and if you disagreed . its ok .and please stop trying to polute our minds by saying that the RCC is the only faith - morons-i bet that those Bishops that hav joined the RCC fell on the same trap yous are setting on us - Live your life and stop bein so greedy

[BibleProclaimer559]

One fold, one faith, one baptism; Anglicans must return to the church of Jesus Christ founded.

[EbsNhexz]

@BibleProclaimer559 Because a Church which emerged a thousand years after Christ's Ascension somehow has claim to be the only Church of Christ. What the Bishop of Rome said and what the scripture says are two different things.

[Corpuscani]

@BibleProclaimer559 I agree. So let's all go and be Copts in Jerusalem.

[no1dagboy]

yawn

[NovellaSardinia]

The doctrine of papal infalibility has been ruinous on a gigantic scale. The Roman Church has yet to adequately answer for the 650 year inquisition and the monstrous regimes it spawned. So long as the inquisition records remain secret the Roman Church’s guilt remains a living truth and a warning to all. The day of judgment is now surely come. I believe Pope Benedict XVI has opened this debate as a dialogue. He must therefore eventually stand trial himself as a heretic to the Roman Church.

[nexxt87]

@NovellaSardinia Questions - in what way has the Doctrine of Papal Infallibility been ruinous? How, do you believe, should the church "adequately answer" the Inquisition, assuming it hasnt done so already? Why must BXVI stand trial to the Church and why as a heretic?

Id like an "adequate response" please. :-)

[abbesieyes]

The NT...nothing more than Jyotish astronomy. 27 books of NT, 27 nahkshatras. 12 apostles plus a christ...a lunar count.

Rome ever and only stole and then 'demonized' ancient knowledge. What she did not demonize so that she and her thugs called 'nobiity' could enjoy unfettered use of said...she covered up via Euphamism.

The trade on the ignorance of man continues largely unabated, by the vast majority of 'Priesthoods'. Tables of trade on temple steps.

[abbesieyes]

Rowan Williams = Saruman

Ecumenism, the tool by which Rome holds her enemies close as she undertakes Praemunire and continues Inquisition/Counter Reformation worldwide via proxies.

[mookhead01]

jesus wants us to love our fellow man. no citation needed. division and schism were a part of satan's plan which is to divide and conquer through infiltrating the church and it succeeded. it is now up to us Christians to try to unite. This pain of separation adds to Jesus' suffering. And no one wants that...surely?

[Dystopiologist]

Henry VIII's experiment is over. Thanks be to God.

[DreamsofMajesty]

scribd (dot) com/nb812

[dominik10007]

the Catholic church is un-natural and a deviation... and the title of vicar of Christ is an invention of Roma,and not a gift from God to the Pope

[IgnatiusBenedictus]

@dominik10007 Yeah you know you heretic.

[cryinglion]

The Roman Catholic church wants total control over all denominations of the world. It makes the claim that it is the "one true church", and that all other Christian churches are not in line with salvation unless it joins the RCC. Why do they have to join the RCC? The gospel does not state that you have to join a specific "group" in order to be saved. Faith in Christ alone, not an organization. You can be saved as a catholic or baptist. The gospel of Jesus is what matters in one's life.

[aboyfromrome]

@cryinglion the cathoilic faith dosen't say that you have to be catholic in order to be save...

that's a lie!!!.....catholic faith just say that Christ wants unity betwen his followers in order that the world may believe he was been sent by the father ( John 17:21)

Jesus Christ is for unity not for control.....and the chatolic church wants the same...

[IDH77]

@aboyfromrome Then I am afraid you do not know your history.

What happened to Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Sallus? Outside the ROMAN church there is no salvation!

Try reading Unum Sanctum or the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441

[xebec775]

@IDH77 Do you know your history? Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Sallus exists in unity with Eastern Rite Catholicism as well as Orthodoxy, not just the Latin Rite. The Church, in a sense, is Christ. When people disect Papal Bulls and whatnot, they often wind up misinterpreting it. I recommend a bit more research on your end.

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 i advice 2 u the very important document of the pope john paul the II

"ut unum sint" in that document his holiness explain that every man can be save in Christ Jesus, even thouse who are not cristian; WOW how does it posible? He explain that every man or woman that follow the law of concience can be save even if they do not know Christ...but at the same time is the same Jesus Christ the only saviour of mankind cos'he is the only who can save us beeing the only way to get to the father

[IDH77]

@aboyfromrome Saved without a conscious faith in Christ? That is an Antichrist teaching!

Jesus Christ said:

"He who believes in Him [Jesus] is not condemned; but he who does not believe IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. (John 3:18 NKJV)

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 antichrist teaching? read roman chapter 1 please.......

and remember you prostestant say faith is enough.....

reading mat 7:21 ..........faith plus obedience...............

Christ found just one church...Mat 16:18... He did't say here is the bible...go and preach the bible, every one can build his own church.....this is an anticrist teaching 100 %

[IDH77]

@aboyfromrome The Bible says that we are saved by faith alone with good works FOLLOWING! Eph 2:8-10

Christ did not found the RCC as it was actually invented in the 4th century with Constantine!

Proof = Paul wrote to Rome in AD 56 greeted 26 people by name and NEVER mentioned Peter.

Therefore Peter was NOT in Rome! That is because he was an apostle to the JEWS NOT to the Gentiles! Gal 2:7

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 "where is Christ there is the catolich church " 107 a.d

Ignacius of antioquia

the christian faith is not just for the jew but is a universal faith

universal in greek means catholic.....Act 1:8

costantin in the 4 cent just give freedom to all cristians to profess their faith.

He did't found anything....

when peter say that he was in babilon ...babilon for the first christians means the roman empire so he was in rome...

please study john e. newman...ex anglican...God bless you

[IDH77]

@aboyfromrome Catholic simply means the universal faith held by all Christians.

By this they meant the Scriptures. The early Catholics were NOT Roman Catholics! It was a Church if I had been alive at that time I could have worshipped in.

But salvation has always meant a conscious faith in Christ. To teach otherwise is blatant heresy.

There was no Pope in the 1st 300 years. There was a Bishop of Rome but his authority did not extend beyond the city itself.

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 oh really? read clemente romano 1 century , and cipriano of cartago 2 century I think you'll find some surprise..about what they say of the bishop of rome...and remeber the autority in the church of the new testament was not biblical , not democratic but APOSTOLIC..........just read act chapter 15 efes 2:20 and acts 2:42 we roman catholics we have biblical and historical base of what we think and believe something that protestan will never have....

[IDH77]

@aboyfromrome The interpretation of Matt 16:16-18 is a fraud it was invented much later. Even AUGUSTINE believed the so-called ‘Protestant’ interpretation.

When Paul wrote to the Roman Church in AD 58 he greeted 26 people by name but NOT Peter. (Romans 16:3-15) An amazing oversight and a huge insult unless Peter was NOT actually there acting as Bishop!

What have you to say to that?

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 dear brother in Christ, Not everything is in the bible ( john 21:25b )and at the same time we can't remove anything from the Bible (Rev 22:19)

Jesus founded just ONE church, if you don't believe Mat 16:16-18 go to Ephes 4.3: "keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace.There is ONE body and ONE Spirit—just as you were called to ONE hope when you were called, ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism;ONE God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."

[IDH77]

@aboyfromrome But Jesus Christ did NOT found the ROMAN Catholic church! That was founded by Constantine as a political tool in the 4th century.

How can I trust a Church that twists Scripture to fit its own agenda and makes a sinner as the head of a church?

Roman Catholicism however fits the picture of the Whore of Babylon in Rev 17 perfectly.

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 costantine in the "edict of milan" year 313 d.c just gave liberty to the christians that untill then they were persecuted by the roman empire.. . Costantine he never was the pope, the bishop of rome or nosenses like that..., when apostol john wrote about babilon he's meaning of a city "the great city", (rev 18:10) he's not talking about a church? the whore of babilon is rome for sure...but the pagan roman empire, not the catholic church....that's a MYTH , a legend ,a fable............

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 "The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son...1 Peter 5.13

for the jews and for first christians, babilon was rome , when john write in revelation about babilon the great city , he talking about rome identify with the roman empire that is persecute first the jews destroy jerusalem in 70 d.c and then murdering christians with nero caesar, so the roman empire was the great enemy of first christianity and the people of God.

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 in isaias 22.22 we find this:

And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open.

then in rev. 3.7 we find

These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

Isaiah is talking about the messias and in rev 3.7 is Jesus speaking..

the keys in the bible means AUTORITY

check Mat 28.18

[IDH77]

@aboyfromrome Who did Peter say who the Rock was, himself?

1 Peter 2:4 NKJV Coming to Him [JESUS CHRIST] as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,

1 Peter 2:7 NKJV Therefore, to you who believe, He [JESUS CHRIST] is precious; but to those who are disobedient, "THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE,"

So the RCC is found to be a false witness! Try reading the Bible for yourself and stop being a slave of men!

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 ...in a bulding there are many stones NOT JUST ONE...Ef 2.20 "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone"....We have to read evertihing the bible say about a subjet not just some verses...? we are also part of this bulding.......just read

1 peter 2:5

"you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ"

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 there is NOT contradiction at all betwen Christ the chief cornestone, and peter the kefas , the " rock ",

because in a bulding as i told you there are many stones 1 Christ, 2 the profets, 3 the apotles,4 and the dicisple (ourself) we are the buldind of ONE BODY ( ef 4.4 - 1:22.23) of HIS CHURCH.which is also the pillar and foundation of the truth 1 tim 3.15

I don't know here who is the slave of man and who is slave........of the word....

God bless you...

[IDH77]

@aboyfromrome (Chuckle) Now you are down to defending the Protestant position!

There is only ONE cornerstone that is Christ!

That is what both Peter and Paul said.1 Cor 3:9-12

1 Corinthians 3:11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is JESUS CHRIST.

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 so Peter was an apostol or not?? what do you say? yes fo sure...

so if Jesus call him Kefas = Rock , he is part of the foundation of the church gather

with the others apostols, and the profets....Ef 2.20 Jesus is the Cornestone and Peter is the Rock ...where is the contradicion???

who lead the church after Jesus he is acended to heaven? the Holy Ghost,

and who give the first sermon in the day of pentecost? the holy Ghost or Peter...?

Peter inspired by the Holy Ghost....

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 who lead your evangelical church? the holy ghost...

or your pastor....?

it must have a pastor, a sheperd right?

so we just say that Peter was the pastor or leader in the first church, because Jesus also said to him in Jn 21:15 "Feed my lambs" " Feed my sheeps", for 3 times.....

is anitibiblical for you to believe this?

for us catholics Peter is the pastor, the leader the one who Christ gave the keys and the authority Mat 16:18.19 after he came back to the Father....

[IDH77]

@aboyfromrome So what was Peter’s first decision as Pope?

He told Jesus not to go to the cross and Jesus called him ‘Satan’!

So much for being infallible! (verses 22-23)

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 and he also denid Christ for 3 times before the "passion"

did Christ blame him for that......Peter do you love me? 3 times

yes you know that i love you...

sorry peter you are no whorthy to be the good sheperd after me because you told me to not go to the cross and then you deni me for 3 time,,,sorry peter but you don't qualify, now it's time for jonh or james...

or maybe i will call 15 sec later martin luther and the protestan to follow my plan...

u preach another gospel ( Gal 1.9)

[IDH77]

@aboyfromrome It is extremely ironic to accused of preaching another gospel by a Roman Catholic especially when most of the traditions of the RCC were made up out of whole cloth long after the apostles died.

I read the original writing of the apostles and follow them rather than the man-made traditions of the RCC!

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 no my friend that is what your pastor told you....if you study for your own what the church's fathers say about tha last supper , the bishop of rome, the unitity of the curch and so on...you will find some surprises....i just want that you investigate, i kwow what is the protestant point and i know what the catholic point is...

just investigate by your self not thinking that you have the true in your hand just bacause you have a bible.not everything is in the bible (Jn 21:25; 2 Pt 1:20)

[IDH77]

@aboyfromrome (sigh) Just because RC’s always depend on what their Priest’s tell them why do you think that non-Catholics always depend on what their Pastor tells them?

I have been studying this for years and what immediately struck me when I started reading the Bible is that Roman Catholicism is notably absent.

What the RCC hates is the literal method of interpretation of the Scriptures because it leads directly to Evangelical Christianity not the RCC.

[aboyfromrome]

"not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life"

(2 Cor 3.6)

alwais preaching another gospel and then sayng that "others did that" ...

protestants believe in "sola scritura" or pro private interpretation of the bible", or about "sola fide" only faith "....

this is just from the 15 century...NOT before.....and theese 3 points are against the bible...sola scritura goes against Jn 21:25, sola fide goes agaist: James 2:19 2:24 and Mat 7:21 ...

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 james wrote that even the devil has faith..(2:19) but it dosn't mean that he is save...

so paul when talk about the works, he 's talking about the works of law of moises....

the ancien convenan is not the one who saves...but the new one...the mediator is Not Moises anymore means Paul ...but The messias- Christ (in greek) now we are save by Christ not Moises anymore....and Paul was a farises jew very lover of the law...so he try to make people undestand theese diferences..Ef 2:14-16

[IDH77]

@aboyfromrome I have read the Ante-Nicene Fathers and what is absent from them is any mention of many of the main planks of the RCC.

No Mary worship! No infallible Pope! In fact no mention of the Bishop of Rome’s authority extending beyond Rome itself.

No Purgatory and only the slightest mention of taking ‘this is my body’ literally!

In other words what we call the RCC did not actually exist for centuries.

[aboyfromrome]

@IDH77 you can say that to those who never read anything about the church's fathers....they talk about Mary, they talk about the real presence, they talk about the bishop of rome and so on...you want to inmpress me but it show that you just want to defend your position, you are not interested on true, you just want to defend your traditions , pentecostal comunitys starts from 1901 in arizona catholicism starts 20 century ago in palestina....history talks...you have NOT historical base at all

[Dermot558]

@IDH77 "They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again." Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to Smyrnaeans, 7,1 (c. A.D. 110).

[MenechemShaul]

@Dermot558 Quoting a heretic instead of Scripture I see!

[Dermot558]

@MenechemShaul Who are you to be calling a Father of the Church a heretic???

[MenechemShaul]

@Dermot558 When he Says something that goes against the Writings of the Apostles, he his not a 'Father' of the Church! He his a Wolf in Sheep's clothing! Remember according to 2 Timothy 3:16-17 if a Doctrine goes against the Word of God Scripture is to Correct the Doctrine of man! I am an Ex Catholic I have studied the Writings of the Apostles, Church Fathers and the various Councils, I have every right! You need to study before you challenge me!

[nexxt87]

@MenechemShaul study before challenging you aye? what theological degrees/publications do you hold?

[MenechemShaul]

@nexxt87 I have studied, I was in the Church and even in seminary! It is you who needs to study!

[nexxt87]

@MenechemShaul The fact that you were in the church and in the seminary proves nothing, other than the fact that the truth stared you in the face and you left because you thought you knew better thatn 2000 yearrs of theological teaching and academia.But hey,  Me? Study? lol...I have a degree in Biblical Theology and am finishing my Doctoral thesis in Philosophy of Religion. So, might I ask you,what COMPELLING evidence did you find that led to your 'informed' and apparently 'inspired' decision?

[MenechemShaul]

@nexxt87 The Fact that God showed me the true Catholic Faith is what set me free from the Roman Pagan Catholic faith! TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE, is what we read in Scripture and it did set me free!

[nexxt87]

@MenechemShaul Lol ahhh yes thats right. Gotta love how you cant give an adequate answer so you cover it with a broad, generic answer. One, you assumed that it was the Father who showed you this truth and not your own misguided conclusions, Two, you assume the Catholic faith is 'Pagan' when there is no evidence to back such a claim and thirdly, you assume that scripture alone is the authority upon which Christianity is governed when the Church was there 300 years before it and commissioned it.

[nexxt87]

@MenechemShaul Tell, me what EVIDENCE do you have for your claims? Or is this just another misguided rant filled with your own personal convictions? Might I suggest, before opening your mouth and slandering the faith, look deeper into your own faith and study harder, contextualise, analyse, and pray.

[nexxt87]

@MenechemShaul The truth, is Christ, who commissioned Peter to be the rock upon which he would build His Church. This faith has survived 2000 years of attempts at destroying it, from outside and within. Christ foresaw this, but said..."not even the gates of Hell would prevail against it" -Matthew 16:18. Christ knew people like yourself would try and sway others from the faith and embrace other teachings. But, testament to the truth entrusted to us, the faith does not waver and stands firm.

[MenechemShaul]

@nexxt87 You do not give an adequate response so why should anyone else give you one?! The truth is yes, Peter was the Rock that Yeshua built his church on but, after the death of all the Original Apostles arose heretics who were not teaching or Practising the Judeo-Christian faith laid out by Messiah himself and his Apostles. Marcion and Ignatius (who by the way there is no Historical evidence of him ever knowing John the Apostle) as well as others who came after them!

[MenechemShaul]

@MenechemShaul Peter, by the way, was not the first pope for two reasons; the first, he never was Bishop of Rome the only time he was in Rome was when he was Crucified. Secondly the term Pontificus Maximus was not around in the Church until Constantine before that this term was only ever heard of in the Pagan Roman Temples. Also Cardinals (Princes of the Church) are not a Rank in the church according to Sacred Writ, and having a 'Prince' as a rank is the church goes against Rev.2.

[nexxt87]

@MenechemShaul Once again, poor scholarship and shallow theology. "The truth is yes, Peter was the Rock that Yeshua built his church on but, after the death of all the Original Apostles arose heretics"...Evidence? "there is no Historical evidence of him ever knowing John the Apostle) as well as others who came after them!" True, aside from Ignatius' account of his time with the Apostle John, however Bishop Theodoret of Cyrus that Peter himself appointed Ignatius as third Bishop of Antioch.

[nexxt87]

The logic is plain and simple. He was educated by John and appointed by Peter. To suggest that he wasn't, would be to imply that Ignatius, a man who wrote this on his way to Martyrdom and honoured throughout all of Christianity was a liar. Serious charge for such little evidence or logic to back it. But I guess, the only way for a validation of your own views would be to discredit those of the Church fathers themselves - men who walked, talked and were taught by the Apostles.

[sebreathnach]

@nexxt87 I really think that you should read something. Preferably, Francesco Carotta's 'Was Jesus Caesar/" and then, if you have the stomach for it, read Joseph Atwill's 'Caesar's Messiah'. If, thereafter, you have something to say about 'Jesus of Nazareth', 'Mary the Immaculate, ' Peter the Apostle' or the drafting of 'New Testament' or, indeed, 'the origins of the Christian myth' -- and I doubt you will have miuch to say -- then, it will be worth listening to.

[nexxt87]

@sebreathnach Get yourself a degree in theology, or religious history - then Ill bother considering you on even par with me to discuss such matters.

[sebreathnach]

@nexxt87 It is apparent how impoverished of any sense of history or reality Christians are. I have to get myself a degree -- a BA in Theo-Logus in order to understand Chrisitanity. It's just as well that Poor Jesus got himself a BA from the university of Bethlahem!

[nexxt87]

Intelligence and logic would suggest to stick with what the Apostles taught, and not to sway like wheat in the wind. I hope Im not coming off as offensive, just sharing from my own deductive reasoning and education. I do enjoy a good debate!

[MenechemShaul]

@nexxt87 Provide sources for this and I will retract my statement! You have proven yourself wrong too many times in the past!

[nexxt87]

I have "Proven" myself wrong on "many" occasions? How so?

Oh and Id be glad to provide sources. Specifically on what?

[brycejacksoncvt]

@aboyfromrome so then do you believe that only Roman Catholics go to heaven .. Im just asking , not accusing 

[aboyfromrome]

@cryinglion the cathoilic faith dosen't say that you have to be catholic in order to be save...

that's a lie!!!.....catholic faith just say that Christ wants unity betwen his followers in order that the world may believe he was been sent by the father ( John 17:21)

Jesus Christ is for unity not for control.....and the chatolic church wants the same...

[mattjoeryan]

leave Rowan Williams alone im catholic and every thing he has said was spot on the the paedophiles in the Irish church have got away with this for too long. Well done sir.....

[spartacus6839]

Where the vicor of christ is, there is the church. Where the Vicor of christ is not, there is not the church.

[IgnatiusBenedictus]

@spartacus6839 Amen!!! Rowan and company do not have Holy Orders, nor does their communion possess what's required to be a Church. They are schismatics and a sect.

[dominik10007]

@IgnatiusBenedictus

Yeah,you know... popish idiot

[IgnatiusBenedictus]

@dominik10007 Read the Papal Bull "Apostolicae Curae" describing how Anglican orders are invalid, then we'll see.

[masala505]

I can't concieve the idea of church in the 21st century. Absolute nonsense! We are in the modern age, not the bronze age. How long will we endure theocratic, superstitious rubbish? Virgin births, son of gods...absolute drivel! Hopefully religion will soon sumffer the same fate as astrology, alchemy and UFO's.

[Fritigern378]

Lets face it ..the only reason that the protestan reformation was supported by some german and british nobles was the chance to hold the enormous mass of land that used to belong to the monasteries and the rest of the Roman Catholic Church property during that time , that was the reason the german princes help Luther and that was the reason Henry VIII killed and tortured monks

[Fritigern378]

I cant concieve the idea of a " church " who ordains women and degenerates(homosexuals ) as priests ...nothing that is fake will prevail ..lets call it pseudo-priesthood ..what else can you expect from a bad copy of the Catholic Church ...i can also go to ebay and order a priest outfit and get dressed up with it and pretend to be a priest ..my priesthood will be more valuable and decent than any other anglican ,and then im NOT a priest ..another demostration of british arrogance

[freedombiteback]

The Protestant goes directly to the Word of God !! for instruction, and to the throne of grace in his devotions ; whilst Rome (Corrupt Nafarian / Taxes) consults the teaching of his churches, and prefers to offer his prayers through the medium of the Virgin Mary and the Saints..Protestant (Protest-ant) means to Protest against the Rule of Rome !! (NWO)...Ps History has a tendency to repeat itself remember ?,For it's the same Elite bloodlines at work !!....

[BiteHunter]

That sounds American. Today's societies rely heavily on a mixture of church and state under one authority, and that would be the authority of the land. Unfortunate. Faiths are marginalized in order to gain control of inanimate, animate, and human resources. The only one allowed to ascend to self-actualization is the highest in governmental power. As usual, those there think they are God's chosen sons or daughters. Weird what power does to some not accustomed to being powerful in daily duties.

[tonycarr100]

I have heard that now there are more Roman Catholics in Great Britian than people who are Church of England. I am afraid some liberals don't get it, people want an orthodox faith, when you stray, you pay.

[sweetgothicrevenge]

The reason why the Church of England was even formed in the first place is because the Roman Catholic Church would'nt grant the king a divorce. How would you like it if you were told by someone who is'nt married or has kids to tell you that you're not able to divorce? How the hell is it any of his business?

[tonycarr100]

Henry VIII murdered several women because they didn't give him a male heir (and ironically the male determines the gender of a child). He was using the church to bless his outlandish behavior. Do you even know that history? Watch "A Man For All Seasons" or pick of a history book. The Roman Catholic Church might have done Martin Luther wrong but they were right on King Henry the VIII.

[BiteHunter]

I think Catholic representatives are just as culpable for Henry VIII's and Luther's fall. Jesus is merciful; I am embarrassed that the RCC has not done penance for not forcefully making clear the church's stance on how Charity is interpreted. Today, we realize that male or female heir-roles do not matter. What matters is that one love God and neighbor without stint and that one is humbly mindful to wait for the Lord's return. After all, He IS the captain of our hearts-- not political leaders.

[BiteHunter]

The real problem is that the RCC created that stupid culture at the time of male-heirdom rules crap stuff. Henry was just trying his hardest to comply as a devout Catholic (don't laugh). The church should have heroically communicated to Henry that the whole male-heir thing is garbage. God does not judge based on patriarchical or matriarchical lineage. Our judgments are based on love of God and neighbor. So, the RCC still has to do penance as far as I am concerned. I think Henry needs mercy, now.

[TheZanipolo]

Rowan Williams is a sick, twisted and evil man - he is the agent of Satan. He's not a spiritual leader, he's just a failed left-wing politican, spouting left-wing garbage. As he is such a big fan of Sharia Law he should immediately kill himself for being a non-muslim.

[BiteHunter]

Hahaha. We are all agents of Satan when we don't love our neighbor. Our neighbors are God's creations. Sure His Holiness may be what you said, but I can think of a bunch of other religious are just as bad or worse. I guess all we can do is pray for our religious because God loves them. The fallen would use the religious to promote a government that subjugates religion to itself in order that the highest official is the "chosen one". Can we say Antichrist? Yeah religion and politics doesn't mix.

[gustavo2828]

The road between Rome and London is very busy but in both directions. I know. Many in my Anglican church defected from the roman catholic church.

[BiteHunter]

There's an Irish proverb about a bishop who was on route to Rome. He didn't want to go. Advice was offered to him-- If you are going to Rome, you had better take Jesus Christ with you because you may not find him when you get there. Hahaha. It's still true today. However, falling from faith is a personal issue. When one is despondent because they cannot see the image of God before them, that IS when they need to become that image for themselves and others. Those many missed their calling.

[Shanniquitie]

Dissolve the Anglican fraud, restore these lost Christians to the One True Church!

[wycliffe35]

such an intelligent ecumenical comment........

[Shanniquitie]

sorry for caring about protestants. 'invincible ignorance' only goes so far.

[amaqula]

Great news!! We need all the help we can get!! Islam is on the march - and only Catholicism can stop it!! Islam is given free rein in the secular West - cos the Church has been abandoned and sidelined!!

Only a CATHOLIC STATE will resist Islamisation and demographic decline for you folks!! Secular politicians have no intention of retianing whatever is left of the Christian West!! Bring back the Catholic state!!

[justthefactsmister]

Preach it ! Only through Jesus and His Church can there be any hope for mankind! Christendom please God will slowly advance and Muslims will be converted to Jesus and His Church. Hopefully well more and more Protestants will see the emptiness of their false gospel and join in the battle to spread the true saving message of Jesus Christ.

[sweetgothicrevenge]

Our gospel is false? Well it's better than paying the church to forgive you for your sins. Why don't you read and use your head for something other than a hat rack.

[planetar4564]

Erhm, calm down.

Catholicism will do just fine. We have friends in high places. (God, Mary, Peter, Paul, etc...) =)

[sweetgothicrevenge]

keep telling yourself that. we have them too, friend

[planetar4564]

Oh no, I don't mean to be offensive! I love my Protestant brothers in faith! =) *big hugs from a Catholic!*

We're all brothers in Christ. Though we may be separated by many issues, our hearts rest on the same Truth, and that is Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God. Amen!

We just hang out with Mary and the Saints a bit more than you, that's all! =)

[tonycarr100]

My only issues with some Catholics is that there is a movement to make Mary the Co-Redemptrix with Christ. That would set the ecumenical movement back a thousand years. I don't understand the purgatory thing either.

[BiteHunter]

Christianity is Mary's story, and Jesus will sit there and keep His mouth shut and mind his Mother if He expects her to mind Him. We ARE all co-redeemers in the Communion of Saints. It was not long ago that the British were among THE FIRST proponents of Mary's importance in restoring universal order. In fact, it was Scottish, Duns Scotus who defined the dogma of the Immaculate Conception centuries before its recognition. tonycarr100- PLEASE learn your British history. Happy New Year.

[tonycarr100]

You like to argue not even sure if you are a Christian.Happy New Year. Had two years of Church History so I got my histor down pat. ;-) God bless.

[BiteHunter]

God bless you, but that's not true. Mary hangs out with everyone. She IS everyone's homegirl. She's a Jewess, so she's lookin' out for her peeps. The gospel spread in Asia, Europe, Africa, and beyond. She's part of the Muslim culture and has a place in their faith. While some faiths marginalize her, those some live in countries where Marian thought reigned centuries before. European Protestants know her well. 3/4ths of the Americas get it. The USA is clueless of Mary. They think Jesus is Santa.

[dacatholicbandorgan]

The Pope in doing this is not recognizing the entire Anglican Communion as Valid (especilly Homosexuals and Women in the Priesthood and Diaconate and Episcopate). It is simply allowing Anglicans to return to Rome while the Anglicans keep most of their heritage.

[boycottgaza]

zzzzz yawn ! zzzzzz... religion ..is bull shit

[timboslayer]

I disagree: you shouldn't be so negative towards bulls' faeces.

[revclc]

Well, I guess the Pope's recruitment efforts are understandable, as we in the Anglican Communion have been welcoming former RCs in droves for centuries, and will continue to do so!

[dacatholicbandorgan]

Oh please-with this they will return to Rome, via the Anglican Church anyway.

[Holyangelscci]

AS will Old Catholics

[wornslipper]

I love the expression at 2.37 ... like someone who's been annoyed :D (This is not to say I don't respect him.)

[cds9781]

"deserting Anglicans" are you kidding Ruth? It's more a constitution for Anglicans who wish to remain Christian and restore the essential ecclesial unity Christ founded.

[steathon]

Amen sister!