Don't Vote Stupid: Who's American?

[TheRealCadaver]

Let me try one last time to get this through your thick skull. Again, you made a very general statement about the middle class and poverty to begin with. You didn't say 'national poverty level' or anything of the sort. I replied by pointing out your flawed logic behind it and reminding you what ACTUAL poverty is, by definition (...lack of money and belongings; you have the internet too, Google is your friend).

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Once again, your choice to play a semantics game demonstrates how weak your argument is. Why don't you address your grievances on how the word "poverty" is used in an op-ed piece to the N.Y, Times aka "the newspaper of record" as it was THEIR use of the word poverty which I qouted verbatim. So one more time, where did all those poverty sticken people come from? Did we import them especially for the Obama administration? How does the poverty level increase under Obama?

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Again, what part of context do you not understand? Poverty in the U.S is defined by the amount of money you make and the amount of individuals in the family. It has NOTHING to do with lack of belongings. By that defintion, the people in poverty has INCREASED in the two years of Obama, the highest it's been since under Clinton in 1995. Are you suffering from a brain injury? I'm glad you have the internet, perhaps you should learn to use it in an intelligent manner.

[leek02]

@dalmatian847. Here is some legislation much was passed during the um "lame duck".... whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/s­igned-legislation

[dalmatian847]

@leek02 Here's some much needed sobering reality for you and the other kool-aid drinkers. No post WWI U.S President has won re-election with an unemployment rate of 8% or more. Ben Bernanke before the Senate Budget Committee last week:

“The projection submitted by the Federal Open Market Committee, or FOMC, showed that notwithstanding forecasts of increased growth in 2011 and 2012, most participants expected the unemployment rate to be close to 8 percent two years from now. "

Not good.

[leek02]

@dalmatian847. Ok I cant waste any more time on the informationally unequipped. The word "Electorate" refers to "of ALL registered voters". That means your opinion and a mid-term tally are still only a tiny minority of the democracy. You last post even tells me that you don't understand the phrase "lame duck" but, I'm not going to continue to beat up on you. Take care and good luck.

[dalmatian847]

@leek02 Actually I understand it fully. You evidently don't. Obama is unelectable for a second term. He's Jimmy Carter with a tan. I.E ONE TERM LAME DUCK.

Since when has the entire "electorate" ever voted fully? That never happens, not even in 2008. So in other words, unless "ALL registered voters vote", somehow the results don't matter? Because if that's your criteria, we should start the recall process on Obama immediately!

How many GOP voters sat out the 2008 election do you think?

[leek02]

@dalmatian847. Now, about Democrats and "asses handed to them at midterms". Wow, how else can you tell me that you know nothing more than talking points and rhetoric? Start with ALL of POLLING HISTORY. Incumbents always have low turn out in midterms. Less than 16percent of the electorate vote in midterms. 60-70percent demo of midterm voters are Caucasian, male and over 45. That describes over 50 percent of ALL Tea Party affiliations. Grow up and do some real research and quit arguing with BS...

[dalmatian847]

@leek02 Actually the GOP GAINED SEATS during Bush's first mid-term so why don't you brush up all your "polling history" and learn reality. Does your "polling history" also explain why the Democrats got their asses handed in state, local and municipal elections too?

What part of the biggest loss of House seats in 70 years did you not understand this past November? It was a monumental beatdown. Case closed. Have a nice day and enjoy the next two years of Obama's lame duck administration.

[dalmatian847]

@leek02 So what? How does that somehow change the fact that Democrats got their asses handed to them? So Democrats couldn't get their voters interested enough to show up at the polls so somehow, this beatdown shouldn't count? Did the GOP voters opting to stay home in droves during 2006 midterms make the Democrats taking control of both houses of Congress somehow irrelelavant?

No, that was a "monumental achievement".right?

"Elections have consequences" Barack Hussein Obama

[leek02]

@dalmatian847. Once again mental deficiency speaks up. Simply saying the words "white guy" in appropriate context is not racism or any other ism. But its okay, because apparently someone like yourself probably never did well in English class. I'm surprised that you can read. Congratulations! Your type of personality obviously tries social attacks when there is no intellectual substance in their reasoning. If I'm somehow a racist for using lexicologically correct terms then you are illiterate.

[dalmatian847]

@leek02 No, mental deficiency occurs when someone brings up race in a totally irrelavant context. What does bringing up McCain or for that matter Obama's race have anything to do with policy or ideology. Obama's not incompetant because he's half-black, he's incompetant because he's clueless on what it takes to grow an economy and keep the nation secure.

So one more time , how is race signifigant "lexicologically" in any way when describing someone, other than to a police sketch artist?

[leek02]

@dalmatian847 How do you respond to someone who refers to the current president in the Whitehouse as incompetent? When he got there things were failing fast and layoffs were super-common.Yet now after two years companies are hiring, our automotive industry has returned, health care legislation passed that is PAID FOR and the rest of the world likes us again. Incompetent, ok maybe in opposite-world. Maybe it is you personal racism that wont let you see reality. If not racism then blind stupidity.

[dalmatian847]

@leek02 It's very easy. What has he done in 2 years to remedy those layoffs? He spent a $1TRILLION of money the nation didn't have on a stimulus plan that RAISED unempolyment . What part of 9% and above unemployment for more consecutive months than at any time since The Great Depression are you not grasping? The auto industry has returned? When did it leave?Healthcare legislation that you PAY NOW but won't see benefits for 4 years down the road. What kind of benefits are those?Racism? Pathetic.

[dalmatian847]

@leek02 The rest of the world "likes " us again? Interesting? How then do you explain the numerous instances around the world that claim otherwise? We've had no problems with the Islamic world since Obama's outreach, haven't we?

BTW, before you accuse someone of being a racist, perhaps you'd be best to read your own comment referring to McCain as "the white guy"

I guess it was "blind stupidity" that got Obama's Democrats their asses handed to them at midterms. Or was it racism?

[leek02]

True and True. Obama's approach on the matter has been very nice because technically; The President was born in Hawaii two years AFTER it became a state, while McCain was born in Panama two years BEFORE it was a US Territory. So, who's not an American? Whether you like it or not, the answer is "The white guy".

[dalmatian847]

@leek02 Who's the incompetant currrently residing over the worst recovery after a major recession in history? Whether you like the answer or not, that would be the" black guy",

[jannikmt]

the usa needs to adapt germanys goverment decision proses ( it alows for more thn 2 partis and everyones vote counts)

[dalmatian847]

@jannikmt It also has a parliamentary government, which we do not. That makes adopting Germany's election processes a little difficult in the U.S.

[dalmatian847]

Given the outcome of the 2008 election, the vast amount of Americans didn't take the advice and voted "stupidly"

How's the HOPE and CHANGE thing working for you these days?.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 Hmm... The passing of a major healcare bill, the repeal of DADT, much needed support for 9/11 first responders, the ending of "Opration: Iraqi Freedom", funding to bolster public schools, allocation of money to go towards better body armor for our troops, a whole slew of stuff...

Damn, I guess I should feel really stupid.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver 9% unemployment or more for the longest length of time since the The Great Depression, A tripling of the deficit, a stimulus package that stimulated nothing, a "Summer of Recovery" in which nothing recovered. An incompetant response to the BP oil spill, a banning of offshore drilling as gas is rising towards $4. North Korea commiting TWO acts of war in a span of 10 months,

You should feel really stupid, but generally self reflection is not a trait of the perpetually retarded.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 Yes, since the unemployment rate is a direct result of the Obama administration... Deficit and stimulus have been squandered for years before Obama -- what's your point?

And an "incompetant" response to the spill? And then you go on to mention the banning of offshore drilling negatively? Really? ...I thought anti-Obama dregs were against government regulation of private enterprise. Oh yeah, you want to be selective about it when it suits your rhetoric.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver I'm sure you gave Bush the benefit of the doubt when 9/11 happened "on his watch"? I'm sure you were the first to step up and blame the policies of his predecessor for that one too, weren't you?

"Deficit and stimuluus have been squandered" How do you "squander a deficit "exactly? It's real easy to demonstrate how you squander a stimulus though. You pass a $1 Trillion dollar stimulus promising unemployment woudn't go above 8%. It's been near 10% since then. Where's that money?

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver How economically retarded can you be? When you decrease the supply of anything, do prices go up or down?

Mull that one over before you respond and inevitably embarass yourself again.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 First the ad hominem, now you're putting words in my mouth? I never even condescended to imply ANYTHING about 9/11 in regard to Bush Co. What gas companies charge has little or nothing to do with the physical amounts of oil available for manufacture -- the diamond industry is a clear example of this. And you fail to realize that whether you like it or not, it was right-wing policy that got us in the shitter in the first place.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Of course not. You gave Bush all the credit in the world getting out of the Clinton recession didn't you? What gas companies charge is based on what the market price bears. Oil is a commodity. As such the price is speculated in future delivery. If there is a ban implemented of oil exploration in oil rich areas, the price will increase. I

Explain what right policy got us into the shitter in the first place? I can't wait to hear this one.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 AND, automobiles only account for like 20% of all oil consumption, so yeah, keep grasping at straws man.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver So your point is what then exactly? Who's grasping at straws here. Maybe you csn explain why when oil hit $150 a barrel, Bush opened up offshore oil exploration and within 6 months in was back to $50 a barrel.

Now look at the the price since Obama announced the ban and offshore exploration again? Do you sense a pattern yet?

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 ...And seriously, what does Korea have to do with ANYTHING? You mindless zombies tend to look for a scapegoat wherever you can find one without bothering to look at the entirety of the situation. Thanks for blaming the black guy.

One other thing... What does "self reflection" have to do with anything in regard to politics? Typical right-winger; regurgitating fallacious arguments while trying top pander to people's emotions.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver What does a now evidently nuclear North Korean communist regime launching two attacks on a major ally for the first time since the end of the Korean War have to do with Obama? Are you truly this stupid. Is that possible?

Tell me why is it that N. Korea would choose to launch two attacks in Obama's term when they managed to launch ZERO attacks under Bush,Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, Eisenhower and Truman? Breathtaking stupidity on your part.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 And no, we can't play World Police all the time. South Korea is gonna have to handle their own shit and declare war themselves. It's not America's job to go to war with the enemies of our allies all the time. What North Korea does has NOTHING to do with the Obama administration in and of itself. You're just trying to straw-man a valid argument.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Except we've been in Korea for the last 60 years, genius. Are you not aware of that? We have thousands of troops on the Korean Peninsula and South Korea is a key ally. It's aFAILURE of Obama's foriegn policy to have two attacks on a key ally happen under your watch. How is this NOT have to do with Obama. Really, when does Obama start taking responsibility for his administration? We're 2 years in. You like to chime his "accomplishments" as if only the good stuff is his.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver It's remarkable that the presence of 28,500 U.S troops had served as a deterrent under both Democrat and Republican Presidents since 1954 until Obama stepped in . Explain where the straw-man argument is in charging a failure of Obama's foriegn policy to...oh, let's see...Obama? Were you dropped on your head as a child by any chance?

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Wow, it took you all of what 3 posts to pull out the race card. A sign of a losing argument time and time again. Sorry, but North Korea sinking a boat and bombing a town occured under the brilliant leadership of "the black guy" so who else are you supposed to blame? Harry Truman?

Self-reflection is a personality deficit you share with other liberals. It has nothing to do with politics, it's more a lack of upbringing.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 Allright, your ~argument~ is pretty much being reduced to rambling and straw man attempts. Actions of another country have NOTHING to do with Obama's policy. That's like saying it was the president's fault every time an American embassy was bombed, or it was Bush fault that the 9/11 attacks were carried out, or that it was Bush's fault Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans. Utter bull.

And why do you keep reverting to statements that pander to emotions? Stop being so dramatic.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver What straw man argument am I making? What part of a President's failure in foriegn policy is attributable to ...the President?

One of the main responsibilites of the POTUS is his foriegn policy. When has a POTUS' foriegn policy decisions NOT been on him?

Really , are you honestly asking this or are you putting me on?

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Or perhaps this? " Obama appeared on Meet the Press in 2006 and said the United States had no leverage over North Korea because of Washington’s refusal to hold bilateral negotiations. He also clarified a passage from his book Audacity of Hope and said he did not consider invading the communist country an option to resolving the nuclear issue.

So he claims we just need to "talk to them" and takes military action off the table.

Yeah, nothing to do with his policy at all.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 I know right. Diplomacy is retarded. We should just bomb the shit out of anyone and everything that threatens the American way of life. In his two years as president, he should have already fixed 100% of Bush's mess, rebuilt the economy single-handedly, responded to every problem here and abroad in a manner to your liking, reversed half a century of debt, changed our source of energy, and not spend any money while doing it. Rational thinking, huh.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver "speak softly and carry a big stick" ever hear that phrase? Why would you telegraph what you may or may not do? That's not diplomacy, that's stupidity. So now explain to me how the genius foriegn policy of Obama is faring in the Korean peninsula?

Obama promised that if his stimulus passed, unemployment would peak at 8%. Did Bush put those words into his mouth? Did unemployment get worse? Did we get richer or poorer after pissing away a $trillion Whose call was that? Bush's?

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Since Obama put a ban on offshore drilling, has the price of gas gone up or down?

Since Obama put his foreclosure relief plan, has the number of foreclosures increased or decreased?

Since he put his healthcare reform plan into place, has insurance rates increased or decreased?

Since he came into office, has the deficit increased or decreased? Poverty increased or decreased?

When does "the smartest president of all time" start accepting responsibility exactly?

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Oh, you left out another major accomplishment , $5 gas coming soon. But hey, good thing we have those windmill powered cars that GM and Chryslerddeveloped using that taxpayer bailout money to keep Obama's UAW union buddies afloat.

That will certainly lessen the impact on his energy policy that "would necessarily spike the price of energy" that he promised in 2008. That's one campaign promise he kept.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver A major healthcare bill currentlky challenged by 25 states in it's constitutionality? DADT passed by a lame duck Congress voted out of office in November? Wanna bet we'll be in Iraq for quite some time after "the ending".How did signing that useless piece of paper to "close Gitmo" work out? We spend more per student already than any other democracy. What are the results? How does paying off teacher's unions for their election support of Obama benefit students exactly?

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 You're totally right, Obama is ruining EVERYTHING. The sky is falling!

The "housing bubble" - Obama's fault.

Fluctuating oil prices - Obama's fault.

Asshole Korean dictators - Obama's fault.

Unemployment - Obama's fault.... Yeah... Okay...

The fact that you have to write an essay to respond to each comment just shows the frailty of your argument.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Yeah, I guess being able to prove my points just goes to show how "frail" those points are? You must be in mensa. Reading's a skill you evidently lack along with critical thinking.

I did not blame Obama for the housing bubble, I blamed him for HIS POLICY of spending 75 billion to stem foreclosures. RESULT: Foreclosures set yearly records the last two years as most people can't qualify for the program.

Let me guess, it's Bush's fault that Obama's policy has been a failure?

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Obama decides in typical kneejerk manner to cease all offshore drilling based on BP oil spill for a 6 month moratorium. 29,000 Americans lost their jobs and supply was cut. What happens when supply is cut on commodities? They GO UP. When you STOP the drilling of domestic oil, it will generally cause the market to fluctuate, in an upward manner.

No chance George Soros' huge investment in oil played into the decision? That would just be crazy to think!

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Asshole Korean dictators who Obama INSISTED he could sweet talk and smile at. No, certainly can't blame Obama for Obama's failures in foriegn policy, now can we?

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Unemployment? Let's recap.

Unemployment rate when Obama takes office, 7.6%. Obama pushes $1Trillion stimulus plan promising, if passed , unemployment peaks at 8%, promising shovel-ready jobs. Stimulus passes, unemployment rises to 10% then holds steady at 9% or higher for nearly two years. A new post WWII record.

After two years, Obama says "I guess I learned there are no such things as shovel-ready jobs" No shit, Sherlock.

Bush should have told him, blame Bush.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 You know, you've totally convinced me.

We should have elected McSame. We should drill for oil wherever we want -- and to any extent big business feels necessary, feed the economy with our tried and true military-industrial complex, remove all regulation from lenders and brokers, and allow free enterprise take the reigns of our country. Fuck foreigners, we should greet them with hostility and apprehension, not peace and rationale.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver I'm sorry you don't live in realit, I guess that's one of the appeals of being a liberal. Never having to ever wake up from a fairytale.. Do keep burying your head in the sand and pretend everything is just peachy keen since The One was elected. That's the sign of a true intellectual. Delusional much?

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 We shouldn't concern ourselves with things like civil rights, education, healthcare, and diplomacy. We should be worrying about expenditure, military conquest, the price of gas, and the interests of big business.

Obama is ruining the world as we know it. You're sooo right.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Oh right, did "civil rights" enter the picture this past week when Obama invited the leader of Communist China over for a kiss-up photo op and official state dinner? Where was the mention of Tibet, or freeing political dissidents?

Yeah I guess civil rights is of no concern to liberals when it becomes politically messy to bring them up.

Who does the price of gas affect more?George Soros in his gulfstream jet or the poor guy trying to put food on the table for his family?

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 Turn off FOX News and take off the tinfoil hat. You're just regurgitating the same tired propaganda. And yes, you're totally right, my approval of Obama automatically makes me a hippy liberal idealist with no grasp on reality.

Watch out, America is being hijacked by a consortium of elitist communists bent on destroying the very fabric of America....

Yeah, and I'M the delusional one. Keep grasping at straws, you're getting good at it.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver If you wish to dispute my claims, be my guest. I'm not grasping at any straws when I mention the "Free Tibet" crowd was nowhere to be found. Was I wrong? Were there massive protests outside the White House that just weren't covered?

Funny how civil rights, gas prices , and antiwar demonstrators have disappeared since Obama came into office. Yet ironically all those issues still linger. Let me know when the next big anti-war protest or gas boycott is being planned, will you?

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Still waiting for your explaination on where all the "human rights" and "antiwar" activists disappeared to. Funny how you chose not to respond. Very telling.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 "Poverty among the middle class"? REALLY? I'll digress and let that one sink in. It's becoming extremely obvious that you don't have any logical assessment of why you hate the Obama admin. You're just regurgitating the same, tired, incomplete song of a spiteful right-winger watching his 1940's white-Protestant America fade into antiquity. I'm not going to waste my time dissecting each of your ramblings point-for-point when you can't grasp the simplest of concepts.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Poverty has INCREASED since Obama has been POTUS. That's a FACT. Now where do you suppose these new poverty cases are coming from? Goldman Sachs employees? It's coming from the middle class. The same place the new foreclosure wave is coming from. When you don't have a job for 2 years because OBAMA failed to stimulate the economy despite blowing $ TRILLION, you will fall into poverty. Are really that stupid as to even try to argue this point?

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 Stamping a word like 'poverty' to a person's situation has a VERY specific meaning. The middle-class doesn't fall to "poverty" from a foreclosure or a period of unemployment, Einstein. It takes alot for someone considered "middle-class" to become homeless and starving. Being jobless or having bill collectors on your ass is NOT poverty. Maybe you should start putting condiments on your shoes.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver For starters, I'm not the stamping the word "poverty" on anything. Those would be national statistics . The middle class doesn't fall into poverty by being unemployed TWO YEARS following Obama's stimul;us package? Are you really this functionally retarded? Here's the deal. What makes you fall "into poverty" is relying on government handouts such an unemployment. Getting $400 a week for a family of four for 2 years will put you will into the poverty range.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 Are you implying that the rise in unemployment is a direct result of the stimulus? Really? Then, you go on to ramble something about government handouts (as if it has ANYTHING to do with your argument). And then you have the nerve to call someone 'functionally retarded'. Amazing. THEN, you manage to insinuate that there are "generations of black folks" sitting around waiting for welfare checks and voting Democrat. Nice generalization there.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver What I am implying is the stimulus was a COLLASAL FAILURE DUE TO THE FACT THE UNEMPLOYMENT INCREASED. What are you implying? That blowing $1 Trillion of money we don't have while watcihing umemployment rise was monumental achievement? Is that it? My argument was as follows ...Poverty has INCREASED under Obama to it's highest level in 15 years. The POTUS 15 years ago was BILL CLINTON. Are you somehow taking issue with these facts? Please say you are...

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 And the fact that you'd call the stimulus a "COLLASAL FAILURE," is hilarious, and an example of how important it is to learn 4th grade spelling ouside of a home school environment... Stop being so dramatic. Everyone knew that the stimulus was basically a bandaid on a severed limb. No news there. But the fact of the matter is, 2.7 million people got a job out of it. To trivialize something like that is dickish.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver You are right, it's a COLLOSAL FAILURE, not COLLASAL . I stand corrected. I didn't realize I was dealing with the typo gestapo. I guess that makes all your points valid now. One more time, for the functionally retarded individual you appear to be. The was no 2.7 million jobs created "or saved" you forgot the second part of that. How do you quantify a "saved" job exactly? Secondly Obama himself promised the stimulus would cap unemployment at 8%. How did that work? Not so good.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 There's a difference between a typo and totally mispelling a word like 'colossal,' but I digress. When referring to 'poverty' you keep reverting to the government's label for it when I am pointing out the LITERAL meaning. Moving on. Who said anything about "saved" jobs - was that supposed to be a quote? There you go grasping at straws again. As for the unemployment cap, yeah, he was wrong, but I don't know of a single administration that made good on 100% of their promises...

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver A typo by any other name is still a typo. What exactly is your point on harping on a typo? Does that somehow make my point irrelevant? Tell me oh wise one what that difference is? What is the LITERAL meaning of poverty? I quoted the N.Y Times (unless they had a typo and meant PROSPERITY instead of POVERTY which I highly doubt) The poverty level in the U.S has INCREASED under Obama, period. End of story. You trying to dispute this are the one that's grasping at straws.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver You mean like the generalization you used stating anyone unemployed for 2 years is entirely the fault of the unemployed? You mean like that insinuation? Funny when I use your same argument, you consider it absurd, How liberal of you.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 And when you are not employed for TWO years, it's not because Obama failed as a president, it's because YOU failed as an American worker. Jobs ARE out there. But people want a cushy job in a cubicle, not hard labor... And also, I suppose the outsourcing of our jobs had nothing to do with the unemployment rate either, huh. All Obama's fault I guess. Get a clue.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Of course. It's the fault of the worker. Just like having generations of black folks on welfare and voting Democrat every election is because they FAILED as an American voter. Jobs ARE NOT out there, unless you want a "cushy job" making minimum wage.

What jobs were "outsourced" the last two years? Let's hear your reply to that. What IS OBAMA'S FAULT is the $1 TRILLION stimulus he pissed away while watching the uunemployment rate INCREASE. No small feat there.

[TheRealCadaver]

@TheRealCadaver Keep whining about the stimulus (that created 2.7 million jobs) and trying to create an air of hysteria while regurgitating the same drivel -- all while supporting the same people that caused the mess in the first place. It's becoming painfully obvious that you don't have a clue.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Keep answering your posts. That's the sign of a true intellectual. What fantasy statistics are you qouting from?Please offer the source. Tell me how does the unemployment rate INCREASE when 2.7 million jobs were being created, hmm? I swear the first thing you give up when you become a liberal is common sense, the second thing is basic math skills.

Who am I supporting? Who CAUSED this mess in the first place? Please do back up your so called facts , otherwise they are drivel.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 "Tell me how does the unemployment rate INCREASE when 2.7 million jobs were being created, hmm?" ...Are you that dim-witted? We were losing jobs faster than gaining them. Obviously. "Who CAUSED this mess in the first place?" ...Again, another testament to your blind Obama rage. Deregulation of banking and lender practices, allowing corporations to outsource jobs, the "war on terror," privatization of military operations... Where have you been? Take off the teabagger horseblinders.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver The question still stands. A creation of 2.7 million jobs would not cause the unemployment rate to rise. Obama himself promised the unemployment rate would cap off at 8% with the stimulus and might get up to 9.5% IF it wasn't passed. It was a passed on a partisan line and we have now witnessed the largest amount of 9% or higher unemployment since the Great depression AND are a $trillion poorer for it as a result.

"What I learned is there are no shovel ready jobs" Barack Obama.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Funny how we starteed losing those jobs AFTER Obama was elected. I guess companies saw the writing on the wall, didn't they? That's how they stay in business, by actually taking Obama at his word. Now what derugulation of banking and lender practces was passed under Bush? The last major pieces of deregulayion were passed under Clinton. What POTUS granted China most favored nation status and signed NAFTA into law? Yeah I keep coming back to Clinton because I know history.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver The problem with Liberalism is that is it always undermined by reality.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 What have I posted that leads you to believe I'm a "liberal" aside from supporting Obama and avoiding racist remarks? Ah, of course, generalizing makes things easier to digest.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver I'm sorry I guess I must have missed the racist remarks that conservatives have put on here, Can you point those out for me?

For starters, what makes some a "liberal" has nothing to do with racism, If that was the case Sen Robert Byrd, former KKK grand dragon would not have been the longest serving "liberal" in the Senate.

What seperates American "liberals" from "conservatives" is how one views the U.S Constitution. That I learned 25 years back in Poli Sci 101. Get educated.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver The NY Times reported in September 2010 that poverty was at a 15 yr high. Who was POTUS 15 years ago? Oh right, Clinton. I see a pattern here, how about you? You are woefully uninformed. I suggest you learn a bit about what your talking about before accusing others of not knowing what they're talking about.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 And as to your mindless (and factually absent) rambling on the Clinton admin... Under his watch, unemployment was at its lowest in nearly 30 years and he created about 6 million jobs his first two years in office.

And I'm 'woefully uninformed'? Your toenails must taste like bacon or something.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver One more time for the Obama bowling team. According to the N.Y TIMES in Sept 2010(not me)the poverty rate is the highest it's been in 15 years. 15 years ago would put us in 1995. Who was POTUS then, Ooops! That would be BILL CLINTON. If you run out of fingers and toes, buy a calculator. No doubt another example of public education.

Do you deny basic math as well as the N.Y Times? Yet somehow I'm "factually absent"? What the hell does that make you, a budding mensa member?

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 Allright, I'll try to explain this in a way that you can understand this time. Here' goes.

Unemployment =/= poverty. You can be employed and impoverished, and you can be unemployed and well on your feet. You seem to try to use the two interchangably alot -- which is very telling.

And how is your blatantly racist remark on "generations of black folks" in the SLIGHTEST way similar to me implying that people shouldn't be lofty with the jobs they accept?

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver How about trying to explain it to the "newspaper of record" The POVERTY rate under Obama is the highest in 15 years. Perhaps you should demand that to the N.Y Times, Assoicated Press, Washington Post, et al who reported this issue a retraction?

Now follow along, because this requires basic math and you easily get lost in this concept. 15 years ago we had the "wonderful economy" of Bill Clinton. Now I know facts must suck for you , but try to deal with it.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 ...Welcome to reality. As for your criticism of the Clinton admin, it just shows how little you know about what was going on at that time. Unemployment dropped from more than 7 percent in 1993 to just 4.0 percent in November 2000. Yeah, credit the economic upswing to the administration that was lucky enough to walk into a period of prosperity, and blame the downfall to the administration that walked into a hell of a mess. That makes sense.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver "Welcome to reality"? Meaning what exactly? Observe your own idiotic straw-man argument. I never claimed unemployment didn't decrease under Clinton.Didn't say aword about it . I merely noted that the current poverty level under Obama is the highest it has been SINCE CLINTON. A rather odd development given the myth of the Clinton economy fueled by the dot-com bubble that burst in 1999.

Now if you want to deal in reality , then accept the facts. Poverty is up last 2 years.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 And what, is calling someone a liberal supposed to be some kind of insult? Really? Hahahahahaha. Hmm, let's see what that means...

Liberal -

a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.

c. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism.

Shit, that's horrible.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Except none of those apply to modern liberalism any more so than communist E. Germany was the "Democratic Republic of Germany" or North Korea is the "Democratic Republic of N. Korea"

Classical defintions of liberalism do not apply to the political defintion of liberalism within American Society. That being a need to fundamentally change the founding principles of the U.S Constitution any more than "Democratic" applies to the official names of two communist states I mentioned.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver WTF are you talking about? Where have I ever used the term "underemployed" or "impoverished" ??? I have used NEITHER words in any of my posts, but your imagination seen to think otherwise-which is very telling.

Why is making a generalization that can at least be backed up by FACT somehow not as relevant as you generalizing millions of Americans have been unemployed for the last two years as entirely their fault? What nonsense! So it is different how? Because you say so?

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 TL; DR. Blind speculation, quote-mining, misreading/misinterpreting posts, plethoras of strawman arguments, negating to acknowledge definitions of words... the list goes on! It would literally take me a few days to read through, point out, and address your wall-of-text ramblings -- let alone present it in a manner that was immune to your ~unique~ interpretation.

...I never even qouted you saying the words "underemployed" or "impoverished."

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 Look, fact of the matter is, there is no logical debate here. True debate leads to resolution (if only point-by-point). You just want affirmation - that's an utter waste of my time (and yours). So here's your affirmation:

I agree, Obama is bad. Liberals are bad. Conservatives are good. Guns, god, and guts. All that jazz... Impeach Obama. Ron Paul 2012.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Right and "under his watch" NAFTA was signed. How many jobs were "outsourced" there. China was granted Most Favored Trading status PERMANENTLY. How'd that work out for the U.S worker? The CRA was enhanced, leading to the housing bubble and the Glass-Steagall Act was repealed, leading the the Wallstreet meltdown.

But, hey. I guess if those "factually absent" events that occured under Clinton's "watch" makes me woefully uninformed, what does not knowing these make you then?

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Let us not forget we ALREADY spend more per public school student that all but one country in the entire world. The results? Horrible. So how does throwing more money solve that exactly? Oh that's right, it doesn't. That's just the boilerplate for the solution to every problem that comes our way. Just throw money at it. Obama threw a $Trillion at unemployment and the result...more unemployment AND debt.

Why didn't you include closing Gitmo among his "achievements" ...oops.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 Seriously, anyone can just ramble on, citing every single failure of a given administration. But your lack of objectivity is the real reason people like me rip on people like you. Where was your scrutiny when Bush Co. was steering the country into the ground? I'm guessing it was nonexistent.

Deal with it, the black dude has the keys to the lambo now. And he's not gonna go off-roading with it.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Yeah, let's recap "Bush's" steering the country into the ground in the name of objectivity. Bush's largest Budget deficit was $500 Billion. Unemployment was at 5%, and the stock market hit an all-time high .

Since "the black guy" got the keys, he's AVERAGED more than a 1.5 TRILLION budget deficit, unemployment is steady at near 10%, the stock market AFTER rallying is still more than 2000 points off it's high and N. Korea is threatening war.

Done in 4.

[TheRealCadaver]

@dalmatian847 You're right, he's ruining everything.

It's not like 2009 was STILL BUSH's fiscal year.

It's not like he inherited a shitstorm that he's only had ONE year to bandage.

It's not like North Korea has been threatening war for DECADES.

It's not like he's done more for America in two years, than Bush could dream of accomplishing.

It's not like conservatives are mucking every step of the way, blowing everything out of proportion, and needlessly trying to create an air of hysteria.

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver Obama has spent more in two years than the previous 40 administrations COMBINED.

Your right, he inhrted a "shitstorm" that while he was in the Congress had NO hand in making, right? When the debt ceiling was to be raised in 2006, OBAMA VOTED NO calling it ":a failure of leadership". What does he call it now? Bush's fault still? Obama voted YES on every bloated budget, was a major supporter of Fannie Mae's disasterous mortgage underwriting but none of this is remotely his fault?

[dalmatian847]

@TheRealCadaver North Korea is an even more damning indictment of the Obama doctrine. While they have been saber-rattling for decades, they committed not one, but TWO acts of war under Obama's watch.

What benefit to America has Obama';s policies brought. The high unemployment, the rise in foreclosures as a direct result of the continued high unemployment. The high energy prices , the rising cost of food due to his continued subsidizing of ethanol. The rise in poverty among the middleclass?

[flapjackmaka]

umm, there was no evidence of obamas birth certificatee

[ALITL8]

if you vote for either of these corporate media selected candidates, youre voting stupid... redneck or not!

The 2 party system was set up for simple minded people so they wont have to think too much... WAKE UP AMERICA!! McCain and Obama are two sides of the same coin!

[britethorn]

You really think corporate America picked a guy named Barack Obama to be President? Think about it.

[ALITL8]

i didnt say corporate "America", i said corporate media... sorry i left out the "owned" part.

corporate OWNED media... you might want to look that up and see exactly who OWNS our media, what their politics are and how long theyve been at it.

[grahamkeithtodd]

asking red necks to not vote stupid is like asking a junkie not to take drugs...

"oh yep i'l vote for McCain because even though he almost sunk the uss forrestral during the nam war he is an american hero"... to the veitnamise

[KoroOutbreak]

Sadly that sort of apparent classist stuff (calling poor white people rednecks) is basically giving Republicans tons of votes. What would be nice is if working class people would realize that they just had large amounts of their money stolen and dispensed among the very wealthy, and are getting nothing in return but a war and some terrible attempts at patriotic country music.

[grahamkeithtodd]

tell me about it mate...the british people voted in maggie thatcher 3 times on the trot even though she was the most hated prime minister the british EVER HAD! we are STILL paying the costs even now!

[MyNameIsToasty]

Brilliant!!

[britethorn]

Thanks! You should check out the other videos in this series. They're under the "Don't Vote Stupid" playlist on our YouTube Page.

[FlyingSwatters]

Still loving your videos guys!!

[ComicSolution]

I was sort of hoping that we wouldn't be voting on stuff like this with a war on.

[DPompeii]

I laughed out loud. Don't vote stupid, too late! Maybe that should be "Don't vote stupid anymore". In fact, considering what some people did in the last election maybe they shouldn't be allowed to vote at all. At least not until they act like they got some smart! Ha ha, funny guys.

[tworadley]

ten billion stars!

[britethorn]

Is that like, "50 Points for Gryphandor?"

[widdleman]

LOL!

[ladyjeshra]

Uncle Sam is dreamy.

[portlanddem]

I agree. Just as such as the Clinton/Obama issue. People that won't vote for Clinton because she's a woman, or because she is a Clinton. People won't vote for Obama because he's black.

If you're voting based on such stupid reasons as these, DON'T vote!!! You have NO business voting based on ridiculous reasons as these.

[MacGirvan]

Vote for the best Independent candidate you can find! They would be a better choice than Clinton, Obama or McCain.

[MacGirvan]

They all suck!

[britethorn]

Do not!

[helraizr]

got my subscription. I challenged, and you acted responsibly.

[britethorn]

Sweet, sweet victory!

[katalina2007]

John McCain=A Muslim--Gotta LOVE it!!

[britethorn]

McCain's a MUSLIM? GASP!!!

[helraizr]

Voting for either one is stupid.

Ron Paul 08

[britethorn]

The point of the videos is to shed some light on the STUPID bits of misinformation the campaigns and the media LOVE to spread around. My best wishes to Ron Paul and his appearance at the Republican Convention this summer. Give 'em hell, I say.

[content2000]

This is great.

[britethorn]

Thanks. We'll do more of them throughout the summer leading up to the election. Don't forget to hit the SUBSCRIBE button (if you haven't done so already.)

[Ryan2142]

This is really good!!