So you are saying that because homosexuals do not oppose a threat to dominant males and can be trusted to be left with women, that makes homosexuality natural. I am not against gay people and by that I mean that I do not judge a person based on their sexuality, however, being gay is not something that is considered natural, we've been designed to only mate with opposite genders, that's the way our bodies are created.
@cooksha64 the definition of the word natural is something that occurs in nature, the intended use of the penis is to stick it in the vagina to create new life, but homosexual practices are common in nature, could be population control or could be practice for the real thing in some cases. Or it could be opportunistic. But I see what you are saying.
@jazpyy do you seriously think that homosexuality is natural....... i'll try to put in some biology into what I will tell you, why do people need food? people need food because the glucose stored within the food is broken down by our bodies to release energy for 4 things, growth, muscle contraction, respiration and REPRODUCTION!!!!!! so by having a homosexual lifetyle, do you think that makes it natural.
@cooksha64 yes I do. It is possible that men who displayed homosexual tendencies in a primitive human group would not be considered a threat to the dominant males of that group, so they could be trusted to be left alone with the females in a hunter gatherer situation. It is possible that bisexual males were able to breed with the females quiet successfully, after all, being gay doesn’t mean you don’t want children right?
I totally respect this video and am glad to have found it, but when you refer to someone being born blind to someone being gay you are wrong. Being blind is an accident of birth development, just like Siamese twins and other birth defects that are unavoidable, gay is genetically passed down and has been part of human and animal DNA for a very long time. The universe was created out of diversity and imperfections, nature is not perfect and there is diversity present in everything.
I know it's hard not to take notice to the hateful comments yet if the haters never get tired neither do the loving ones!!! Keep going on, mate! This battle is not expected to be easy but the war will end on day and the good ones shall prevail! Am extremely thankful to heterosexual people like you to exist as this proves there's still hope for this world!
Definition of "unnatural" : 1. contrary to the laws or course of nature. 2. at variance with the character or nature of a person, animal, or plant. 3. at variance with what is normal or to be expected.
Homosexuality applies to all three meanings. Homosexuality is unnatural. Case closed.
@painkillerzman Just making a point, if homosexuality is unnatural, then how did it enter into our dimension of existence? Everything is natural, arsenic, sand, water, politicians, & yes homosexuality. If it doesn’t exist in nature then it is by definition supernatural. You claiming that gays are supernatural, do U get my point now? Sorry, I had hoped that only a theist would be so stupid, what a shame.
@Shadowstar204 Sigh... There are many definitions of the word "unnatural". In this case, the ones that apply to animal behavior are the appropriate ones. This is a direct quote from the dictionary (if you want to argue with the dictionary, good luck.) :
1. contrary to the laws or course of nature. 2. at variance with the character or nature of a person, animal, or plant. 3. at variance with what is normal or to be expected.
@painkillerzman 1. Supernatural/magic 2. Out of character/odd behavior or an unusual routine 3. Statistically unusual, an outlier
Means the EXACT same thing as YOUR dictionary, only worded more ‘common’ for the dumb ppl. I don’t follow how homosexuality meets those conditions. (statistically it is around 10-15% of the pop, hardly an outlier).
It’s clear that you have no understanding of what you are saying. Dogs, birds, dolphins, etc.. have been documented having same sex. LEARN ENGLISH !!!!!!!
@Shadowstar204 1. Considering 100% of births are the direct result of a (female) egg being fertilized by (male) sperm, I'd say this makes homosexuality somewhat contrary to the laws or course of nature (call it supernatural if you will)
2. Animals are "programmed" to reproduce, homosexuality severely reduces the chances of a successful reproduction
3. "A survey of 135,000 [citizens] found that 1.0% of the respondents identified themselves as homosexual and 0.7% identified themselves as bisexual"
@painkillerzman New Scientist - "Evolution myths: Natural selection cannot explain homosexuality". Please read, and do a stats course before using stats, it makes you look stupid.
@kaz10006 no what's demonic is your hate god loves all people we are all created the way god wants so by saying gayness is perverted are you saying god Is a perv? If that's how he wanted a person to be? Ate you calling god a demon?
I have never agreed.People say how can God condem love, when 2 gays love each other?You must ask is it really love or sexual pereference?I have studied this subject. NO ONE IS BORN GAY!!People make the choice.This is UNBIBLICAL.One of the reasons God destoryed Sodom & Gomorrah was because of homosexual activity.Genesis 19:5The men of Sodom rejected the daughters of Lot, perfering same. You are wrong on this.People who are born sick are INBORN. Gays are NOT INBORN.They are SEXUALLY PERVERTED
p.s. and you didn't change me, I'm still gay and will stay, just as every other gay men and women out there, so you're wasting your breath, kid @dxcell1
@shairaptor Well we are all given free will friend. I was just stated a fact of life. We will all stand before our creator, and then he will judge us all.
@dxcell1 homosexal sex doesn't harm anyone. anal sex is done by heterosexuals too. it's as normal as hetero sex. there are thousands of sexualities, not just homo, hetero, wake up, the sooner the better. have fun living in the yesterday, my bigoted friend. *blocked*
"Rimming" is the street name given to oralanal contact. It is because of this practice that intestinal parasites ordinarily found in the tropics are encountered in the bodies of American gay men. Combined with anal intercourse and other homosexual practices, "rimming" provides a rich opportunity for a variety of infections.
the body was not designed to accommodate Anal Sex. The rectum is significantly different from the vagina with regard to suitability for penetration by a penis. The vagina has natural lubricants and is supported by a network of muscles. It is composed of a mucus membrane with a multi-layer stratified squamous epithelium that allows it to endure friction without damage and to resist the immunological actions caused by semen and sperm
a lot of things are natural. ...but that doesn't mean that we should give-in to them. death is natural, disease is natural, jealousy, hatred is natural.
god didnt make no homosexual babies, men turn to this sickness sin by themselfs. wach my video now showing on my channel to see what i mean. your all going to hell less you repent of this vile gay sin.
I'm sorry, but homosexuality isn't natural cos our bodies ain't designed for that sort of thing. I think you only become gay cos of the way you were brought up or cos of the influences around you when you're a child.
razorsharpren - Believe it or not, homosexuality is just as natural for Gay people are heterosexuality is natural for straight people. Sexual orientation is fixed before birth and cannot change during your lifetime - any intelligent person knows that.
rasorsharpren - Anyone who isn't bigoted knows that homosexuality is natural within all animal species. Incest and pedophilia are much more common among heterosexuals than homosexuals.
Suddenly I'm a "bigot" cos I talk the truth. Paedophilia activity can occur among the same sex. No way can animals be gay as they don't even know what homosexuality is! It ain't like animals deliberately penetrate another male's ass like humans do...their bodies and our bodies alike ain't designed for that kind of thing.
razorsharpren - No, your comments are clearly bigoted. If you made the same comments about Jews of African-Americans maybe you would realize how bigoted your comments sound to any objective person.
clearly bigoted??? and how am I being bigoted then? the truth simply is that I'm saying exactly how things are and you just don't like it cos I'm saying what you don't like to hear. Jews and Africans by the way has got nothing to do with this.
The ruins I speak of are in the Roman city of Pompeii that was destroyed in 79AD. We also know that, the Greeks, who's civilization started 10 centuries ago, & although no longer the leader of the western world, is still alive in Greece. We all know the Greeks were more than tolerant of homosexuality, & they fell due to poor politics, not due to homosexuality. Since Christianity is much younger, than the Greeks or Romans, they are in no position to declare their superiority, or to denounce gays.
ernestmac13 - I agree completely. But you should not make such broad statements about Greek and Roman civilization. Both were quite complex - but what is true about all ancient cultures is that homosexuality was not condemned - there were no laws against homosexual activites in any polytheistic country. Same sex marriages were common and recognized in Ancient Egypt, Sumeria, Greece and Rome.
Scans of the brain show structural differences between brains of gays and strait folks. The brain of gay men are wired more like that of strait women, particularly the part that conveys signals from one side of the brain to the other. Also, the more older brothers you have, the more likely the chances a child has of being born gay. Other than Apes, Dolphins, and other higher animals, most animals don't have what can be considered culture, yet they engage in homosexual behavior.
Gay men often get involved in the arts, its possible that, being gay is related to creativity. I'm not saying all geniouses or creative people are gay. I'm saying, biology may use homosexuality as a means to expand human cognitive ability. It makes since, because our brains are limited by the size of our skulls. Besides further folding our brains over in on itself, playing with the wiring is the only way to expand cognitive ability. Obviously, this can't be done to the whole population.
ernestmac13 - MRI scans show that Gay men (unlike women) focus their mental activity in certain defined areas, but (unlike straight men) they use more areas of the brain when they concentrate.
razorsharpren- This makes no since, you have families that are extremely anti-gay, where the atmosphere is extremely hostile to gays, yet a child will be born gay. The child grew up with no friends, didn't see any gay icons on TV, or in movies, etc, and yet during puberty realized they were attracted to their gender. Actually, since humans have kept records, gays have been present. There have been bath houses found in ruins with murals of man on man sex in addition to man on woman sex.
ernestmac13 - Most people who are anti-Gay (homophobic) are motivated by their own same-sex sexual attraction. Which explains why some very homophobic people have Gay children. And you will find that a lot of people who are homophobic ultimately "come out" - their anger is based on their own fears.
I would say many are, but a lot are also xenophobic, they simply fear that which is different. I mean, if you look at any hate site for any given group, you tend to find hate speech against other groups. This is why I say, hate is like a weed, once planted, it spreads all over the place. I mean, in anti-gay sites, they will end up saying things about Jews, black folks, etc. On anti- black sites, they end up talking about Jews & Gays. I've never ran across a hate site limiting itself to one group
Furthermore, I have never met anyone who only hates one group, people may say they only hate gays, but if you probe them, they hate Atheists, folks of religions other than theirs, and people who's choices in life such as sex before marriage, abortion, body modification, etc. The problem I see it is, people forget that, their religion is THEIR religion, not EVERYONE'S religion. As a famous quote states, your rights end where mine begin.
People think something ike Nazism can't happen again, but social scientists say it can. The German people had become apathetic & disinterested, and their country was wallowing in the debt levied on them as a result of WW I. Hitler directed the republic's anger and frustration various scapegoats, to direct the public away from his ongoing grab for power. He blamed Jews, jipses, Gays, & others, much like some religious leaders in America blame these same groups to gain members and political power.
Nate doesn't make decisions. Only conscious entitys do. Nature is not a conscious entity, it is a human concept (often unclearly defined) that is super-imposed upon our reality.
Jamieishere1 - You are completely correct. Nature does not make decisions. What happens "naturally" is everything that can happen given the laws of physics. For most of the Earth's history, human beings could not have lived on this planet. Earth was not "designed" for humans, humans adapted to this planet's conditions as they have been for the last few million years.
Sorry dont have time to watch all, just wanted to point out that some animals are natural hermathrodytes and genders dont exist in all species I believe. Micro-organisms clone themselves of course and some plants self-pollinate.
Also you dont have to be born with something for it to not be a choice e.g. music taste.
You just proved yourself wrong. If some animals can be born hermaphrodites, than obviously humans can be born the same way. In fact, a certain percentage of children are born whats called intersexed or whats also known as, being born with ambiguous genitalia. They will have complete or partial sex organs of both genders. Since this is possible, its not a far stretch to see that, the human brain can likewise be wired with a combination of both genders, or with the structure of the opposite sex.
MRI scans have indeed shown this to be true, and your comment simple proves the bias of people of faith. When it comes to animals, any variation in sexuality is seen as natural, hence natural hermaphrodites, yet any such variation amongst humans is seen as a slight against humanity and against god. Mental illness and birth defects used to be viewed with the same ilk, those who suffered these ailments underwent exorcisms were usually sterilized, and locked away in institutions, along with gays.
During that time, gays were also sterilized against their will, and that was in the US & other countries. So, it is the biology that the faithful have been afraid of. Its the same way the faithful deny humans & apes are related, yet by studying ape behavior, we learn about human sociology. This is also true about studying other social animals, since humans are animals, & we are social animals at that. Likewise, by denying being gay is natural, we lose out learning about human sexuality.
Jamieishere1 - I have read several studies which show that Gay people have diffferent MRI scans than straight people. I expect that you could google "Gay MRI" and get the same information. What is also interesting is that Gay people are significantly more likely to be left-handed than straight people. There is no logical explanation for this other than differences in the brains of straights and Gays.
Thanks, I have done a video on that kind of thing now, although I didnt focus at all on Gay MRI scans, since the only study involving brain scans that I know of was the Le Vay one, which wasnt a good study. I will maybe look in to it sometime anyway but I think there is already enough evidence to show that it is at least partly genetic (my video has a wikipedia link, which includes a twin study of all twins in sweden, where they conclude that it is partly genetic).
Jamieishere1 - Dr. Simon LeVay did not do any MRI scans - he dissected young men whose sexual orientation was known and found measurable differences in certain areas of their brains. There have been many recent MRI scan backing up his conclusions, but none conducted by him. There is no doubt that sexual orientation is genetic, but naving (or not having) a particular gene does not determine sexual orientation.
Jamiesishere1 - As the studies on identical twins show, once a cell divides and two fetuses (feti?) begin to develop whether particular genes function or not depends on other factors. Even identical twins have different fingerprints. Statistically twins have as much chance as having the same sexual orientaiton as having the same right or left handedness.
Twins have a 50 percent chance of being gay if their twin is gay, that shows a vary high genetic component if you consider that, only about 0 percent of the population is gay. It shows like other genetically inherited traits common in twins, such as genetic health problems, handedness, etc, being gay is also high if one twin is gay. I think the same is true for left handedness and other traits that are normally recessive. This is why twin studies are important in understanding human genetics.
ernestmac13 - Most clinic pyschologists believe that there are several areas of the brain which affect or control sexual behavior - it is well established that there is one area of the brain that contains sexual memories, it is believed that there are other areas of the brain which control sexual desire (probably the hypothalamus) and another area which controls gender identity. Clearly, there would have to be many genes involved as well as other non-genetic, hormonal factors.
ernestmac13 - I think it was Margaret Meade who said that "The only thing that is not natural (when it comes to human sexuality) is that which cannot be done." Homosexual conduct is common among animals (especially primates).
People were not just taught church doctrin, they were murdered for not excepting in. I believe it was Capernicus, or his mentor, who was burnt at the stake as a witch for statinh that, the sun wasn't the center of the universe. Galelao was placed under house arest for stating that, the planets revolved around the sun, rather than everything revolving around the earth. Denial of the truth, is part of church doctrine, that's why believers today, can blind themselves from tested/verifiable facts.
ernestmac13 - I agree that most of what the Catholic Church and other major religions teach has nothing to do with the truth and everything to do with politics. One thing is true - Jesus Christ would never endorse the Catholic Church or any major religion today. They use his name and betray his words.
I agree, weather or not he was the son of god or not, Jesus would not support any of the organized religions of today. Likewise, other cultural leaders such as Socrates, Buddha, etc would also not support organized religions today. Few people realize that Martin Luther King Jr's march on DC was organized by a gay man named Bayard Rrustin. and he is the person who introduced MLK to non-violence, and convinced MLK and his supporters to keep their guns at home during the march.
The right was so threatened by Bayard Rrustin's presence, & the idea of Gay rights, they threatened to create a controversy about MLK and Bayard, if Bayard attended the march. Gays supported the equal rights movement from the beginning, as equal rights for one should be equal rights for all. They knew however, not to push Gay rights to the deprament of rights for people of color or women's rights. Unfortunately, many of those who have benefited from the equal rights movement are unaware of this
Those who are unaware of the support countless queer folk have given the equal rights movement may therefore ignore the parallels between discrimination against people of color and gay folks. Some folks even say as much. Of course, many of those against gays are also against religious freedom, they feel the only true religion is their flavor of Christianity, and that all other denominations, and all non-Christian religions should be wiped out due to God's will.
This groups and individuals see Gays and anyone else who doesn't fit their narrow view of society as evil. It is unfortunate, for like Bayrard Rustin, there is much Gays, non-Christians, etc can contribute to society. I mean, look at the Sistine Chapel, and Michelangelo beautiful masterpiece. Had he been persecuted for being gay, this master piece along with his other works may never have seen the light of day. The same can be said for much of the music, art, fashion, etc produced by gays today
ernestmac13 - Very true. Jesus would be horrified by what his been done in his name. All organized religions are the exact opposite of what Jesus Christ taught. As I often say, bigots use religion as an excuse to justify their prejudice - they would use any religion in the same fashion. Bigots care nothing about the truth or any religion - they only care about what they conceive to be their own superiority.
I agree, I think once spiritual leaders realized, they could control the hearts andminds of their followers, religion was doomed. After that, it quickly became a tool of politics, warfare, etc.
whitecubguy13 - Religions can be a good thing, but it is often abused by people to make a profit and/or gain political power. I think that any spiritual leader who asked for money should be condemned.
I disagree, religion fosters believing in things without evidence, without reason. This is different than teaching someone to have faith in themselves based on past experiences, based on acquired knowledge, etc. Religion promotes magical thinking, & thoughts of I am special only because I believe a certain thing. It begins with childish beliefs like Santa & the Easter bunny, but soon such beliefs are replaced with religious ones.
Even if the child grows up to adopt a religion different than that of the parent(s), they have successfully been indoctrinated into believing that, magical thinking is normal. The more educated people are, the less religious they tend to be. This is even more true, by the more training one has in the hard sciences. However, since superstitions tend not to be a topic covered in education, belief in them tend to be universal regardless of education. I'm talking things like, braking a mirror, etc.
whitecubguy13 - I agree that many people use religion as an excuse not to think. But religion can also be a source of comfort. Both religion and science have their place - and there will always be conflicts between emotion and reason.
The amazing grandeur of the universe can be as awe inspiring as any God, the rich diversity of life on earth so amazing that, to think we share a common biology can be vary comforting. Understanding how lightning and thunder works can transform what can be a frightening thing into thrilling natural fireworks display. The more you understand how the world around you works, the less you tend to be afraid of the world. Unlike religion, you can't use science to deny reality, but it can comfort you.
This video personifies vapidity!! What FOOL would even waste a second of his life making a video about something that is as obvious as the sky is blue? Is homosexuality natural, i.e.: a part of nature? Of course it is!! it has been found in every society and culture and unless you have proof that homosexuals were designed in a lab by a group of mad scientists, this video is meaningless. Now the question of morality is a completely different matter!! YOU FAIL IDIOT!!
I find it interesting that us gays have led religious organizations from the begining. We are meant to create, procreation is not the only way; art, music, a quest for spiritual truth are just as important as having children. Love you all, e-star
I think some people are just douche bags and like to tell other people how to live their lives not always necessarily just a person's sexual orientation but what kind of career they should head into or what kind of friends they should associates with...I think some people are just naturally bossy assholes by nature.. haha
The appeal of that sort of power is the them of The book of Eli, its a good movie, and reminds me of Fahrenheit 451. Any ways, being able to stand up on a pulpit and tell the masses what to think about, and how to think is vary incising, and vary addictive. You have the power to manipulate people's morals and values, to shape whole communities, and even shape society to some degree. This is also the same with politics, this is why the founding fathers separated church and state.
This is why I don't like the whole paranormal community, they are not conducting science, they are conducting religion. When your whole thesis is that, things are beyond normal human senses, rather than seeing them as possibly being an aspect of normal senses, your doomed to failure. They don't ask themselves questions like, maybe ghost sitings are simply people being sensitive to time. Since, scientists theorize that, all points in time happen simultaneously. They have
ruled out plausible explanations for extraordinary ones. I'm not saying Ghost sitings happen, or that they are simply people being sensitive to events that have happened at those locations but at different points in time. I'm just saying, its like those who assume aliens built the pyramids, rather than looking for a more down to earth explanation.
Im not sure i understand your analogy relating to my comment. im JUST trying to get across the point that homosexuality should be realized as normal behaviour. not choice. it only makes sense that there would be diversity in sexuality as there is in all things in life. sex is an art. it should not be shmeful. and homosexuality is consenting and mutual LOVE! its all ignorance and fear of breaking away from the "norm". its kind of RIDICULOUS all this blind pointless hate over something LIKE THIS.
what does that mean? if you understood evolutionary biology, you'd realise that genes that inhibit the progress of an animal or an animal's population are lost as that animal or population are more likely to die. if homosexuality were not 'evolutionarily' natural, then why does it still exist today? homosexuality is obviously needed on this earth to create some kind of natural balance.
Population control, men who are safe around females to protect them against predators and enemies, it may open a window to creativity and inventiveness, and so on.
You cannot compare homosexuality to a blind person. People have gone from Straight to gay, or gay to Straight. Hence it being a psychological issue. When has a blind man been able to see again? All we can do for blind people is give them alternative ways of "seeing" but they can never gain their sight. This is not true as many have gone from being straight to gay and back, therefore it lies not in genetics by how that person see's life, hence...Psychology
ihciixc, you're totally mistaken, utterly wrong, and an absolute idiot. There is NO proof than anyone has EVER changed their sexual orientation. NONE. The only "proof" are LIES produced by wackos in the Religious Reich.
One of my close female friend was straight for all of highschool, around the age of 20 she told me her sexual orientation changed and she doesnt know how. I dont understand why you had to resort to name calling, grow up, untill than im not even reading ur future comments
ihciixc - Actually your close female friend was not straight - she just lied to you until she got tired of hiding and lying. Her sexual orientation never changed - it never does.
lamaKinsey06 - You're right. No one ever changes their sexual orientation. A few people manage to hide their feelings for a while, but they are miserable and ultimately fail (or they don't kill themselves first). No one who ever claimed to change their sexual orientation ever passed a lie detector (or plethysomograph) test.
How sad it is some breeders are too ignorant to see that gay people are normal, natural, and play an important role in humanity. We've been here as long as humans have been walking the earth and will always be here.
Here's the latest abomination. This poor kid's parents need to be sent off to some reparative therapy camp themselves and be taught how to be civilized human beings:
pinknews . co . uk /news /articles /2005-13270.html
IamaKinsey06 - I agree with you completely. Fortunately, those who think that being Gay is unnatural are becoming fewer and fewer. Eventually they will die out.
I agree, all the ex-gay groups do is shame people back into the closet. Those who go through these group and don't go back in the closet, feel they have failed their family, themselves, and if they are believers, God. I think most who go to these groups are believers, since they are run by religious groups. Unfortunately, a high number of those who go through such groups end up in deep depressions and in need of therapy, and many attempt and succeed at suicide.
Wrong, gay people have been shamed into the closet, and then eventually they come back out. Sexuality isn't black and white, its a scale, with strait being in the middle, gay at one end, and by at the other. Some people who think they are gay, are actually bi. These people may go with same sex partners for a while, & then prefer opposite sex partners, while some start with opposite sex partners & then prefer same sex partners, and still others bounce between same sex and opposite sex.
When a bi person is in the middle, they are stricly bisexual, when they are more attracted to their same sex, then they are said to lean towards gay, and to lean towards strait if they are more attracted to the opposite sex. In either case, it doesn't men that, they don't have attractions to both sexes, which is why they will always be bisexual. It can be confusing until they realize they are attracted to both genders, because society wants to put everyone into little boxes, gay or strait.
Heterosexuality is natural because a species needs to reproduce itself. Homosexuality is natural (see animal kingdom), to regulate population and to prevent overpopulation, set the hierarchy, to "stabilize" social structures inside of a group, herd, etc. There are reasons for both sides, my opinion.
@shairaptor - Both heterosexuality and homosexuality are natural - both hetero- and homo sexuality exist in every mammal (and some non-mammals) on the planet. Homosexuality does not "regulate population" - Women with Gay brothers have been found to have MORE children than women without Gay brothers.
@dxcell1 Anal sex occurs in the animal kingdom, hence nature, as well. Daily. So get out of the closet as soon as possible my friend. Also, there are many nervcells located at the prostata that are stimulated via anal sex, otherwise they are *never* stimulated. Ask yourself why they are there. A third point, Homo, hetero, who the f*ck cares? Grow up mate.
@shairaptor You OBVIOUSLY have never educated yourself so until you do close your mouth and let grown folks talk boy. These are quotes from PROFESSIONALS ok? Unless YOU are a doctor and have done the research for yourself please keep your stupid worthless comments to yourself child.
@dxcell1 read my post again and educate yourself, my comments ARE from professionals and scientists, you obviously must have a very boring sex life. Because every hetero couple I am friend with, and I am talked to, have oral and anal sex TOO. Women love that. As do men. Period. Heterosexual practices are as "risky" (or NOT as risky) just as homosexual ones. GSD's occur on both, so shut it, son.
@shairaptor If you mean boring as in NORMAL SEX than i guess sex without anal penetration is "boring". I think you may need some new "friends" if they think that those practices are considered healthy. Just because someone loves something doesn't make it right. Especially if it causes physical damage to your body. If someone loves unprotected sex with multiple partners does that mean its OK??? If i love something that causes harm to someone that makes it alright???
@shairaptor I have placed FACTS by educated researchers that have studied the effects of homosexual behavior. These facts show that the results of this kind of behavior cause ill effects to the human body. Just as numerous studies show the ill effects of other things that result in harm to our mental or physical well being. I'm against anything that hurts ppl. illegal drug use, adultery, fornication, abuse of alcohol etc etc.
In comparison, the anus is a delicate mechanism of small muscles that comprise an "exit-only" passage. With repeated trauma, friction and stretching, the sphincter loses its tone and its ability to maintain a tight seal. Consequently, anal intercourse leads to leakage of fecal material that can easily become chronic.
So, if I think someone is suffering and he or she expresses it I would say there is a way to change if you wish.
I have an issue with being too attracted to women that are not good for me. As a heterosexual I'm not always happy. So I believe I have a choice to become more sexually independent and less controlled by pussy power. We all have something to heal. It doesn't mean somebody deserves less love than the others.
Now your blaiming it on the parent's, thats old school psychology. Plenty of gays grew up in loving homes, with plenty of support from their parents. They have actually shown that, the brain of gay men is structured like that of strait women, the part that conveys data from one side of the brain to the other is larger in women then in men, & its even larger in gay men then in women. That's biology, not psychology. when you say people choose to be gay, Its like saying, someone chose to be raped
My first question implied that people become homosexuals after birth but it doesn't mean it's a conscious choice. What we become in a first stage of our lives is conditioned by environmental factors and even "family karma". This doesn't mean there was no love. You know that in most families, punishment and reward, that are the instruments of our domestication are so-called expressions of love. But unhealthy expressions.
I'm not going deeper now into that subject but just wanted to tell you that the brain has a plasticity that allows it to develop according to the actions, interests and habits of the individual.The brain stuff is not unborn either. The mind forms the brain. Spiritual predisposition, family, society and circumstances make the conditioned mind, later the individual can change with effort. The spirit can change the mind, and the mind the habits, the habits the brain, the brain the body etc..
ernestmac13 - Very true. There is no such thing as an "ex-Gay" person. Sexual orientation is fixed before birth and cannot be changed after birth. People can chose to be celibate - but that's the truly unnatural state (and hardly ever works).
Over 11,000 gay couples have married since June 15, 2008. Please ask yourself these questions! Has your child or grandchild come home from school and said that they learned about gay marriage? Was your child taught about alcoholism and drug addition and decided to become a drug addict or alcoholic? No, they haven't. Stop the fear advertising! America is tired of it! Hate and intolerance ARE NOT family values! Vote NO ON 8!
This large group in Iraq is eliminating rights of a small group. Reports came in of teen-agers killing kids from the smaller group. They tie them to fences and stone them to death. They had an election, but the larger group continues to win the vote. Teens are learning the discrimination makes their parents happy because it gives children a better chance of getting into Heaven. The killings and discrimination continues. The US stepped in and helped? Was this right to step in? Vote No on 8.
well put. I needed to hear that... i was indiffrent on life as a "closeted homo" but now I feel a tad bit better about keeping a sense of perspective.
praxuss, u hit the nail on the head. Well done. A perfect explaination. Many hetero people beleive that gay people can change, well if its that easy as u say it is, then perhaps its just as easy for a hetero guy becoming gay. But now thinking about it, wouldnt that mean we are all bisexual, since we can choose between what gender we sleep have sex with?.
You're video is long and I don't understand your view totally. Sexuality is not a bloody biological thing, no no no! Scientists need to fuck off for real. I am gay but it is because I am human, not "wired differently." Homosexuality is prevalent in all cultures, but to do different degrees, depending on how it is accepted. You're wrong my friend.
First of all, homosexuality is "natural". It's simply a sexual orientation that is NOT geared towards procreation. Nature supplies us all with the same equipment because it is not predetermined what our sexual orientation will be until it manifests itself. Sex and attraction are more than merely procrative in nature. Inability to procreate does not invalidate a person's sexual orientaion. It's actually very simple. So many people seem so threatened by something that is none of their concern.
5-10% is NOT "abnormal"!!! It is merely a MINORITY (and a sub-set of normal.) I'm hetero, and this news will be a shock to most other heteros, but in the scientific world, if 10% were born w/o an opposing thumb or whatever, those would still be considered "normal"
Check out my vids on this and other topics of ethical interest.
I think it has more to do with rights and treatment of people.
People who are generally prejudice about it tend to relate to the basis of the argument whether it is natural or not.
And the psychology between homosexuals and hetereosexuals have been researched to be similar. This isn't to say that Homosexuals are given a choice, it's that...they have the same neural responses as hetereosexuals.
I think it would've been more accurate if you would've said "homosexuality is an abnormality" because when I think of normal I think, among the average, which homosexuals in this case are not. But in the case of natural, It's natural to be blind because if they're born blind, it was nature that did it. When you wear glasses or begin making attempts in fixing abnormalities of nature, that could be seen as unnatural. noone said nature was perfect.
Actually, I can't take the "natural" question seriously.
1. Humans define what is and is not natural based on criteria they subjectively define.
2. The counter argument of genitalia is not one of what is "natural" but one of what is the "design" or "purpose". As such, it assumes there is a creator.
3. If the creator is divine, then the argument is religious, not about what is natural. If it is evolution, then that is an unconscious process which clearly has allowed for this sexual diversity.
this is to "01234wdah" You dont seem very intelligent to think & put homosexuality as a sickness where we will find a cure. if you find a cure for beign Gay, then i will believe theres a God and will be the best christian ever.
Well, I clearly believe that homosexuality is not a choice ( As can be seen in my "Is homosexuality a choice video ) but my point is that the natural/unnatural question is not relevant to the question of whether homosexuality is inborn ( it clearly is ).
If one defines "natural" as the inborn state of a person then homosexuality is natural. If one defines "natural" as "the standard biological design of the the human body" then one could say homosexuality is "unnatural" because human genitalia is clearly designed for heterosexual sex. My point is that even if one uses the second definition ( which I did for the sake of this video ) homosexuality is not wrong and is an innate physical trait.
If you try to argue that homosexuality is "natural" your opponent will pound you with the biological argument. Thus, it's better to just concede the natural/unnatural question and focus on the physical inborn nature of homosexuality.
I just watched it. That video was very well done. The guy who made it seems so intelligent and well-spoken that I actually felted humbled by watching it.
well if what you are saying is true, that means homosexuality will be curable in due time, if it is purely phisical and could be diagnosed in say embriononic stage, like other defects, say diabetes posibility ect.
homosexuality is not a defect. its a sexual orientation and does not need curing. he was just using blindness as an example of how people don't call blind people unnatural because humans clearly were meant to see because that is what the eyes are for. however, blindness and sexual orientation are not on the same level.
OK......
So you are saying that because homosexuals do not oppose a threat to dominant males and can be trusted to be left with women, that makes homosexuality natural. I am not against gay people and by that I mean that I do not judge a person based on their sexuality, however, being gay is not something that is considered natural, we've been designed to only mate with opposite genders, that's the way our bodies are created.
cooksha64 2 months ago
@cooksha64 the definition of the word natural is something that occurs in nature, the intended use of the penis is to stick it in the vagina to create new life, but homosexual practices are common in nature, could be population control or could be practice for the real thing in some cases. Or it could be opportunistic. But I see what you are saying.
Herpy1000 1 month ago
I don't regard being gay as unatural, because it clearly is. But does it make it right?
jazpyy 11 months ago
@jazpyy do you seriously think that homosexuality is natural....... i'll try to put in some biology into what I will tell you, why do people need food? people need food because the glucose stored within the food is broken down by our bodies to release energy for 4 things, growth, muscle contraction, respiration and REPRODUCTION!!!!!! so by having a homosexual lifetyle, do you think that makes it natural.
cooksha64 2 months ago
@cooksha64 yes I do. It is possible that men who displayed homosexual tendencies in a primitive human group would not be considered a threat to the dominant males of that group, so they could be trusted to be left alone with the females in a hunter gatherer situation. It is possible that bisexual males were able to breed with the females quiet successfully, after all, being gay doesn’t mean you don’t want children right?
jazpyy 2 months ago
I totally respect this video and am glad to have found it, but when you refer to someone being born blind to someone being gay you are wrong. Being blind is an accident of birth development, just like Siamese twins and other birth defects that are unavoidable, gay is genetically passed down and has been part of human and animal DNA for a very long time. The universe was created out of diversity and imperfections, nature is not perfect and there is diversity present in everything.
jazpyy 11 months ago
I know it's hard not to take notice to the hateful comments yet if the haters never get tired neither do the loving ones!!! Keep going on, mate! This battle is not expected to be easy but the war will end on day and the good ones shall prevail! Am extremely thankful to heterosexual people like you to exist as this proves there's still hope for this world!
God bless you and all yours!
EqualityWarrior 1 year ago
Definition of "unnatural" : 1. contrary to the laws or course of nature. 2. at variance with the character or nature of a person, animal, or plant. 3. at variance with what is normal or to be expected.
Homosexuality applies to all three meanings. Homosexuality is unnatural. Case closed.
painkillerzman 1 year ago
@painkillerzman God applies to all three meanings. God is unnatural. Case closed.
Shadowstar204 1 year ago
@Shadowstar204 Yes, God is unnatural. So what ?
(You seem to think that I'm a theist, I'm not.)
painkillerzman 1 year ago
@painkillerzman Just making a point, if homosexuality is unnatural, then how did it enter into our dimension of existence? Everything is natural, arsenic, sand, water, politicians, & yes homosexuality. If it doesn’t exist in nature then it is by definition supernatural. You claiming that gays are supernatural, do U get my point now? Sorry, I had hoped that only a theist would be so stupid, what a shame.
Shadowstar204 1 year ago
@Shadowstar204 Sigh... There are many definitions of the word "unnatural". In this case, the ones that apply to animal behavior are the appropriate ones. This is a direct quote from the dictionary (if you want to argue with the dictionary, good luck.) :
1. contrary to the laws or course of nature. 2. at variance with the character or nature of a person, animal, or plant. 3. at variance with what is normal or to be expected.
Homosexuality applies to all three meanings.
painkillerzman 1 year ago
@painkillerzman 1. Supernatural/magic 2. Out of character/odd behavior or an unusual routine 3. Statistically unusual, an outlier
Means the EXACT same thing as YOUR dictionary, only worded more ‘common’ for the dumb ppl. I don’t follow how homosexuality meets those conditions. (statistically it is around 10-15% of the pop, hardly an outlier).
It’s clear that you have no understanding of what you are saying. Dogs, birds, dolphins, etc.. have been documented having same sex. LEARN ENGLISH !!!!!!!
Shadowstar204 1 year ago
@Shadowstar204 1. Considering 100% of births are the direct result of a (female) egg being fertilized by (male) sperm, I'd say this makes homosexuality somewhat contrary to the laws or course of nature (call it supernatural if you will)
2. Animals are "programmed" to reproduce, homosexuality severely reduces the chances of a successful reproduction
3. "A survey of 135,000 [citizens] found that 1.0% of the respondents identified themselves as homosexual and 0.7% identified themselves as bisexual"
painkillerzman 1 year ago
@painkillerzman New Scientist - "Evolution myths: Natural selection cannot explain homosexuality". Please read, and do a stats course before using stats, it makes you look stupid.
krandaman1 8 months ago
@kaz10006 no what's demonic is your hate god loves all people we are all created the way god wants so by saying gayness is perverted are you saying god Is a perv? If that's how he wanted a person to be? Ate you calling god a demon?
Darkknight96082 1 year ago
i get a laugh at you perverted people. How is being gay NORMAL. Plain & simple its demonic & perverted.
Kaz10005 1 year ago
p.s. you're just a religious bigoted kiddie and hilarious at that lmao @dxcell1
shairaptor 1 year ago
I have never agreed.People say how can God condem love, when 2 gays love each other?You must ask is it really love or sexual pereference?I have studied this subject. NO ONE IS BORN GAY!!People make the choice.This is UNBIBLICAL.One of the reasons God destoryed Sodom & Gomorrah was because of homosexual activity.Genesis 19:5The men of Sodom rejected the daughters of Lot, perfering same. You are wrong on this.People who are born sick are INBORN. Gays are NOT INBORN.They are SEXUALLY PERVERTED
Kaz10005 1 year ago
@Kaz10005 Rate Up
dxcell1 1 year ago
@dxcell1 What do you mean
Kaz10005 1 year ago
p.s. and you didn't change me, I'm still gay and will stay, just as every other gay men and women out there, so you're wasting your breath, kid @dxcell1
shairaptor 1 year ago
@shairaptor Well we are all given free will friend. I was just stated a fact of life. We will all stand before our creator, and then he will judge us all.
dxcell1 1 year ago
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Kaz10005 1 year ago
@dxcell1 homosexal sex doesn't harm anyone. anal sex is done by heterosexuals too. it's as normal as hetero sex. there are thousands of sexualities, not just homo, hetero, wake up, the sooner the better. have fun living in the yesterday, my bigoted friend. *blocked*
shairaptor 1 year ago
@shairaptor lol i love when ppl can't take the truth
dxcell1 1 year ago
@dxcell1 the truth is homosexuality is as normal as homosexuality. and I enjoy it massively. :)
shairaptor 1 year ago
@dxcell1 and of course heterosexuality is as normal as heterosexuality. it's that simple :)
shairaptor 1 year ago
"Rimming" is the street name given to oralanal contact. It is because of this practice that intestinal parasites ordinarily found in the tropics are encountered in the bodies of American gay men. Combined with anal intercourse and other homosexual practices, "rimming" provides a rich opportunity for a variety of infections.
dxcell1 1 year ago
@dxcell1 I love how you put that "rich opportunity"
Kaz10005 1 year ago
the body was not designed to accommodate Anal Sex. The rectum is significantly different from the vagina with regard to suitability for penetration by a penis. The vagina has natural lubricants and is supported by a network of muscles. It is composed of a mucus membrane with a multi-layer stratified squamous epithelium that allows it to endure friction without damage and to resist the immunological actions caused by semen and sperm
dxcell1 1 year ago
If you think being gay is wrong then you straight guys are not allowed to watch lesbian sexs, works both ways!
neil22100 1 year ago
a lot of things are natural. ...but that doesn't mean that we should give-in to them. death is natural, disease is natural, jealousy, hatred is natural.
jonasbjarki 2 years ago
jonasbjarki - You're proof that stupidity is natural. Some people over come it - you have not.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
man dont listen atlahvocat, he dont know what world he livin in. he's a blind leading the blind...sickos. and so are you molewis.
BHOLYFUL 2 years ago
BHOLYFUL - Jesus Christ is with me, hate-filled sickos like you belong in Hell.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
god didnt make no homosexual babies, men turn to this sickness sin by themselfs. wach my video now showing on my channel to see what i mean. your all going to hell less you repent of this vile gay sin.
BHOLYFUL 2 years ago
I'm sorry, but homosexuality isn't natural cos our bodies ain't designed for that sort of thing. I think you only become gay cos of the way you were brought up or cos of the influences around you when you're a child.
razorsharpren 2 years ago
razorsharpren - Believe it or not, homosexuality is just as natural for Gay people are heterosexuality is natural for straight people. Sexual orientation is fixed before birth and cannot change during your lifetime - any intelligent person knows that.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
you mean any pro-gay "knows" that...if homosexuality was natural then I guess that makes incest and paedophilia natural too
razorsharpren 2 years ago
rasorsharpren - Anyone who isn't bigoted knows that homosexuality is natural within all animal species. Incest and pedophilia are much more common among heterosexuals than homosexuals.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
Suddenly I'm a "bigot" cos I talk the truth. Paedophilia activity can occur among the same sex. No way can animals be gay as they don't even know what homosexuality is! It ain't like animals deliberately penetrate another male's ass like humans do...their bodies and our bodies alike ain't designed for that kind of thing.
razorsharpren 2 years ago
razorsharpren - No, your comments are clearly bigoted. If you made the same comments about Jews of African-Americans maybe you would realize how bigoted your comments sound to any objective person.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
clearly bigoted??? and how am I being bigoted then? the truth simply is that I'm saying exactly how things are and you just don't like it cos I'm saying what you don't like to hear. Jews and Africans by the way has got nothing to do with this.
razorsharpren 2 years ago
razorsharpren - Written like a true bigot. Too stupid to know the difference between your twisted opinions and facts.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
now you are being childish and resorting to insults cos you couldn't even come up with a logical answer to my last comment....
razorsharpren 2 years ago
The ruins I speak of are in the Roman city of Pompeii that was destroyed in 79AD. We also know that, the Greeks, who's civilization started 10 centuries ago, & although no longer the leader of the western world, is still alive in Greece. We all know the Greeks were more than tolerant of homosexuality, & they fell due to poor politics, not due to homosexuality. Since Christianity is much younger, than the Greeks or Romans, they are in no position to declare their superiority, or to denounce gays.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
ernestmac13 - I agree completely. But you should not make such broad statements about Greek and Roman civilization. Both were quite complex - but what is true about all ancient cultures is that homosexuality was not condemned - there were no laws against homosexual activites in any polytheistic country. Same sex marriages were common and recognized in Ancient Egypt, Sumeria, Greece and Rome.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
Scans of the brain show structural differences between brains of gays and strait folks. The brain of gay men are wired more like that of strait women, particularly the part that conveys signals from one side of the brain to the other. Also, the more older brothers you have, the more likely the chances a child has of being born gay. Other than Apes, Dolphins, and other higher animals, most animals don't have what can be considered culture, yet they engage in homosexual behavior.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
Gay men often get involved in the arts, its possible that, being gay is related to creativity. I'm not saying all geniouses or creative people are gay. I'm saying, biology may use homosexuality as a means to expand human cognitive ability. It makes since, because our brains are limited by the size of our skulls. Besides further folding our brains over in on itself, playing with the wiring is the only way to expand cognitive ability. Obviously, this can't be done to the whole population.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
ernestmac13 - MRI scans show that Gay men (unlike women) focus their mental activity in certain defined areas, but (unlike straight men) they use more areas of the brain when they concentrate.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
razorsharpren- This makes no since, you have families that are extremely anti-gay, where the atmosphere is extremely hostile to gays, yet a child will be born gay. The child grew up with no friends, didn't see any gay icons on TV, or in movies, etc, and yet during puberty realized they were attracted to their gender. Actually, since humans have kept records, gays have been present. There have been bath houses found in ruins with murals of man on man sex in addition to man on woman sex.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
ernestmac13 - Most people who are anti-Gay (homophobic) are motivated by their own same-sex sexual attraction. Which explains why some very homophobic people have Gay children. And you will find that a lot of people who are homophobic ultimately "come out" - their anger is based on their own fears.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
I would say many are, but a lot are also xenophobic, they simply fear that which is different. I mean, if you look at any hate site for any given group, you tend to find hate speech against other groups. This is why I say, hate is like a weed, once planted, it spreads all over the place. I mean, in anti-gay sites, they will end up saying things about Jews, black folks, etc. On anti- black sites, they end up talking about Jews & Gays. I've never ran across a hate site limiting itself to one group
ernestmac13 2 years ago
Furthermore, I have never met anyone who only hates one group, people may say they only hate gays, but if you probe them, they hate Atheists, folks of religions other than theirs, and people who's choices in life such as sex before marriage, abortion, body modification, etc. The problem I see it is, people forget that, their religion is THEIR religion, not EVERYONE'S religion. As a famous quote states, your rights end where mine begin.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
People think something ike Nazism can't happen again, but social scientists say it can. The German people had become apathetic & disinterested, and their country was wallowing in the debt levied on them as a result of WW I. Hitler directed the republic's anger and frustration various scapegoats, to direct the public away from his ongoing grab for power. He blamed Jews, jipses, Gays, & others, much like some religious leaders in America blame these same groups to gain members and political power.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
Evolution is one thing, but dont question natures decisions
liveinmymusic 2 years ago
Nate doesn't make decisions. Only conscious entitys do. Nature is not a conscious entity, it is a human concept (often unclearly defined) that is super-imposed upon our reality.
I.E. Decisions require a decision maker.
Jamieishere1 2 years ago
@Jamieishere1 and whoever decides a beautiful type of mutual, consentual love between two people is WRONG...should not be making decisions.
liveinmymusic 2 years ago
I agree, feel free to check out and rate my videos ;). You will learn why I made the point about nature not making choices then perhaps.
Jamieishere1 2 years ago
Jamieishere1 - You are completely correct. Nature does not make decisions. What happens "naturally" is everything that can happen given the laws of physics. For most of the Earth's history, human beings could not have lived on this planet. Earth was not "designed" for humans, humans adapted to this planet's conditions as they have been for the last few million years.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
Sorry dont have time to watch all, just wanted to point out that some animals are natural hermathrodytes and genders dont exist in all species I believe. Micro-organisms clone themselves of course and some plants self-pollinate.
Also you dont have to be born with something for it to not be a choice e.g. music taste.
Jamieishere1 2 years ago
You just proved yourself wrong. If some animals can be born hermaphrodites, than obviously humans can be born the same way. In fact, a certain percentage of children are born whats called intersexed or whats also known as, being born with ambiguous genitalia. They will have complete or partial sex organs of both genders. Since this is possible, its not a far stretch to see that, the human brain can likewise be wired with a combination of both genders, or with the structure of the opposite sex.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
MRI scans have indeed shown this to be true, and your comment simple proves the bias of people of faith. When it comes to animals, any variation in sexuality is seen as natural, hence natural hermaphrodites, yet any such variation amongst humans is seen as a slight against humanity and against god. Mental illness and birth defects used to be viewed with the same ilk, those who suffered these ailments underwent exorcisms were usually sterilized, and locked away in institutions, along with gays.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
During that time, gays were also sterilized against their will, and that was in the US & other countries. So, it is the biology that the faithful have been afraid of. Its the same way the faithful deny humans & apes are related, yet by studying ape behavior, we learn about human sociology. This is also true about studying other social animals, since humans are animals, & we are social animals at that. Likewise, by denying being gay is natural, we lose out learning about human sexuality.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
I dont see how I proved myself wrong and Im not a person of faith ^^. I suggest looking at my videos if you want an idea of my stance on things.
I would be interested in any links you have to scientific studys on MRI scans of homo vs hetero brain scans please.
Jamieishere1 2 years ago
Jamieishere1 - I have read several studies which show that Gay people have diffferent MRI scans than straight people. I expect that you could google "Gay MRI" and get the same information. What is also interesting is that Gay people are significantly more likely to be left-handed than straight people. There is no logical explanation for this other than differences in the brains of straights and Gays.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
Thanks, I have done a video on that kind of thing now, although I didnt focus at all on Gay MRI scans, since the only study involving brain scans that I know of was the Le Vay one, which wasnt a good study. I will maybe look in to it sometime anyway but I think there is already enough evidence to show that it is at least partly genetic (my video has a wikipedia link, which includes a twin study of all twins in sweden, where they conclude that it is partly genetic).
Jamieishere1 2 years ago
Jamieishere1 - Dr. Simon LeVay did not do any MRI scans - he dissected young men whose sexual orientation was known and found measurable differences in certain areas of their brains. There have been many recent MRI scan backing up his conclusions, but none conducted by him. There is no doubt that sexual orientation is genetic, but naving (or not having) a particular gene does not determine sexual orientation.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
Of course it is unlikely to be limited to a single gene. I will try to find info on the MRI stuff sometime then.
Jamieishere1 2 years ago
Jamiesishere1 - As the studies on identical twins show, once a cell divides and two fetuses (feti?) begin to develop whether particular genes function or not depends on other factors. Even identical twins have different fingerprints. Statistically twins have as much chance as having the same sexual orientaiton as having the same right or left handedness.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
Twins have a 50 percent chance of being gay if their twin is gay, that shows a vary high genetic component if you consider that, only about 0 percent of the population is gay. It shows like other genetically inherited traits common in twins, such as genetic health problems, handedness, etc, being gay is also high if one twin is gay. I think the same is true for left handedness and other traits that are normally recessive. This is why twin studies are important in understanding human genetics.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
Its probably a number of genes which effect and influence human sexuality, gender, and sexual orientation, thats why its so complex.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
ernestmac13 - Most clinic pyschologists believe that there are several areas of the brain which affect or control sexual behavior - it is well established that there is one area of the brain that contains sexual memories, it is believed that there are other areas of the brain which control sexual desire (probably the hypothalamus) and another area which controls gender identity. Clearly, there would have to be many genes involved as well as other non-genetic, hormonal factors.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
ernestmac13 - I think it was Margaret Meade who said that "The only thing that is not natural (when it comes to human sexuality) is that which cannot be done." Homosexual conduct is common among animals (especially primates).
Atlavocat 2 years ago
Yes, but countless humans have been taught by religion that, they are above animals, and therefore believe that; they are not related to primates.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
erenstmac13 - countless humans were taught by religion that the world was flat, too. Educated people know better.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
People were not just taught church doctrin, they were murdered for not excepting in. I believe it was Capernicus, or his mentor, who was burnt at the stake as a witch for statinh that, the sun wasn't the center of the universe. Galelao was placed under house arest for stating that, the planets revolved around the sun, rather than everything revolving around the earth. Denial of the truth, is part of church doctrine, that's why believers today, can blind themselves from tested/verifiable facts.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
ernestmac13 - I agree that most of what the Catholic Church and other major religions teach has nothing to do with the truth and everything to do with politics. One thing is true - Jesus Christ would never endorse the Catholic Church or any major religion today. They use his name and betray his words.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
I agree, weather or not he was the son of god or not, Jesus would not support any of the organized religions of today. Likewise, other cultural leaders such as Socrates, Buddha, etc would also not support organized religions today. Few people realize that Martin Luther King Jr's march on DC was organized by a gay man named Bayard Rrustin. and he is the person who introduced MLK to non-violence, and convinced MLK and his supporters to keep their guns at home during the march.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
The right was so threatened by Bayard Rrustin's presence, & the idea of Gay rights, they threatened to create a controversy about MLK and Bayard, if Bayard attended the march. Gays supported the equal rights movement from the beginning, as equal rights for one should be equal rights for all. They knew however, not to push Gay rights to the deprament of rights for people of color or women's rights. Unfortunately, many of those who have benefited from the equal rights movement are unaware of this
ernestmac13 2 years ago
Those who are unaware of the support countless queer folk have given the equal rights movement may therefore ignore the parallels between discrimination against people of color and gay folks. Some folks even say as much. Of course, many of those against gays are also against religious freedom, they feel the only true religion is their flavor of Christianity, and that all other denominations, and all non-Christian religions should be wiped out due to God's will.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
This groups and individuals see Gays and anyone else who doesn't fit their narrow view of society as evil. It is unfortunate, for like Bayrard Rustin, there is much Gays, non-Christians, etc can contribute to society. I mean, look at the Sistine Chapel, and Michelangelo beautiful masterpiece. Had he been persecuted for being gay, this master piece along with his other works may never have seen the light of day. The same can be said for much of the music, art, fashion, etc produced by gays today
ernestmac13 2 years ago
ernestmac13 - Very true. Jesus would be horrified by what his been done in his name. All organized religions are the exact opposite of what Jesus Christ taught. As I often say, bigots use religion as an excuse to justify their prejudice - they would use any religion in the same fashion. Bigots care nothing about the truth or any religion - they only care about what they conceive to be their own superiority.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
I agree, I think once spiritual leaders realized, they could control the hearts andminds of their followers, religion was doomed. After that, it quickly became a tool of politics, warfare, etc.
whitecubguy13 2 years ago
whitecubguy13 - Religions can be a good thing, but it is often abused by people to make a profit and/or gain political power. I think that any spiritual leader who asked for money should be condemned.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
I disagree, religion fosters believing in things without evidence, without reason. This is different than teaching someone to have faith in themselves based on past experiences, based on acquired knowledge, etc. Religion promotes magical thinking, & thoughts of I am special only because I believe a certain thing. It begins with childish beliefs like Santa & the Easter bunny, but soon such beliefs are replaced with religious ones.
whitecubguy13 2 years ago
Even if the child grows up to adopt a religion different than that of the parent(s), they have successfully been indoctrinated into believing that, magical thinking is normal. The more educated people are, the less religious they tend to be. This is even more true, by the more training one has in the hard sciences. However, since superstitions tend not to be a topic covered in education, belief in them tend to be universal regardless of education. I'm talking things like, braking a mirror, etc.
whitecubguy13 2 years ago
whitecubguy13 - I agree that many people use religion as an excuse not to think. But religion can also be a source of comfort. Both religion and science have their place - and there will always be conflicts between emotion and reason.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
The amazing grandeur of the universe can be as awe inspiring as any God, the rich diversity of life on earth so amazing that, to think we share a common biology can be vary comforting. Understanding how lightning and thunder works can transform what can be a frightening thing into thrilling natural fireworks display. The more you understand how the world around you works, the less you tend to be afraid of the world. Unlike religion, you can't use science to deny reality, but it can comfort you.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
People born blind are born defected same way being gay is a birth defect.
chicagobuilt 2 years ago
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ernestmac13 2 years ago
You're not exactly on the upslope of the IQ gradient are you???
plutogirllovekj 2 years ago
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This video personifies vapidity!! What FOOL would even waste a second of his life making a video about something that is as obvious as the sky is blue? Is homosexuality natural, i.e.: a part of nature? Of course it is!! it has been found in every society and culture and unless you have proof that homosexuals were designed in a lab by a group of mad scientists, this video is meaningless. Now the question of morality is a completely different matter!! YOU FAIL IDIOT!!
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u fucking faggots
MxD0Productions 2 years ago
McD0Productions - bigots like you belong in prison.
Atlavocat 2 years ago 2
I find it interesting that us gays have led religious organizations from the begining. We are meant to create, procreation is not the only way; art, music, a quest for spiritual truth are just as important as having children. Love you all, e-star
edwinstar100 2 years ago
I think some people are just douche bags and like to tell other people how to live their lives not always necessarily just a person's sexual orientation but what kind of career they should head into or what kind of friends they should associates with...I think some people are just naturally bossy assholes by nature.. haha
adawg25 3 years ago
The appeal of that sort of power is the them of The book of Eli, its a good movie, and reminds me of Fahrenheit 451. Any ways, being able to stand up on a pulpit and tell the masses what to think about, and how to think is vary incising, and vary addictive. You have the power to manipulate people's morals and values, to shape whole communities, and even shape society to some degree. This is also the same with politics, this is why the founding fathers separated church and state.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
Anything that happens in nature is natural...so yah...
botan93 3 years ago 2
great argument MoLewis57, nail on the head.
Bokaj707 3 years ago
OFCOURSE its natural....
it cant be UNatural, because that would mean it does not occur in nature
fucking idiots!
liveinmymusic 3 years ago
This is why I don't like the whole paranormal community, they are not conducting science, they are conducting religion. When your whole thesis is that, things are beyond normal human senses, rather than seeing them as possibly being an aspect of normal senses, your doomed to failure. They don't ask themselves questions like, maybe ghost sitings are simply people being sensitive to time. Since, scientists theorize that, all points in time happen simultaneously. They have
ernestmac13 2 years ago
ruled out plausible explanations for extraordinary ones. I'm not saying Ghost sitings happen, or that they are simply people being sensitive to events that have happened at those locations but at different points in time. I'm just saying, its like those who assume aliens built the pyramids, rather than looking for a more down to earth explanation.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
Im not sure i understand your analogy relating to my comment. im JUST trying to get across the point that homosexuality should be realized as normal behaviour. not choice. it only makes sense that there would be diversity in sexuality as there is in all things in life. sex is an art. it should not be shmeful. and homosexuality is consenting and mutual LOVE! its all ignorance and fear of breaking away from the "norm". its kind of RIDICULOUS all this blind pointless hate over something LIKE THIS.
liveinmymusic 2 years ago
plus dont use the word 'designed', design doesnt come into evolutionary biology.
heheyeyyeyhehe 3 years ago
from a pure evolutionary standpoint?
what does that mean? if you understood evolutionary biology, you'd realise that genes that inhibit the progress of an animal or an animal's population are lost as that animal or population are more likely to die. if homosexuality were not 'evolutionarily' natural, then why does it still exist today? homosexuality is obviously needed on this earth to create some kind of natural balance.
heheyeyyeyhehe 3 years ago 2
Population control, men who are safe around females to protect them against predators and enemies, it may open a window to creativity and inventiveness, and so on.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
The reality Is that we gay people sometimes promote gay life style when we can even stand, the life style it self.
panamanubian 3 years ago
I'm agree. If i could chose then I'll chose not to be gay. But I am. And i feel gay sens i have memory.
sap508 3 years ago
You cannot compare homosexuality to a blind person. People have gone from Straight to gay, or gay to Straight. Hence it being a psychological issue. When has a blind man been able to see again? All we can do for blind people is give them alternative ways of "seeing" but they can never gain their sight. This is not true as many have gone from being straight to gay and back, therefore it lies not in genetics by how that person see's life, hence...Psychology
ihciixc 3 years ago
Homosexuality is passed on by genetic, you have a choice to hide your sexual preference but that doesn't necessarily mean that you're not gay.
stuntmasta305 3 years ago
ok Dr. Any scientific evidence?
henbenhena 3 years ago
ihciixc, you're totally mistaken, utterly wrong, and an absolute idiot. There is NO proof than anyone has EVER changed their sexual orientation. NONE. The only "proof" are LIES produced by wackos in the Religious Reich.
IamaKinsey06 3 years ago
One of my close female friend was straight for all of highschool, around the age of 20 she told me her sexual orientation changed and she doesnt know how. I dont understand why you had to resort to name calling, grow up, untill than im not even reading ur future comments
ihciixc 3 years ago
wait isnt that wat the video is talking about. but its his opoion not urs so beleive wat u want i just thought the guy talked about that in the video
MixTapeLover69 2 years ago
ihciixc - Actually your close female friend was not straight - she just lied to you until she got tired of hiding and lying. Her sexual orientation never changed - it never does.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
lamaKinsey06 - You're right. No one ever changes their sexual orientation. A few people manage to hide their feelings for a while, but they are miserable and ultimately fail (or they don't kill themselves first). No one who ever claimed to change their sexual orientation ever passed a lie detector (or plethysomograph) test.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
How sad it is some breeders are too ignorant to see that gay people are normal, natural, and play an important role in humanity. We've been here as long as humans have been walking the earth and will always be here.
Here's the latest abomination. This poor kid's parents need to be sent off to some reparative therapy camp themselves and be taught how to be civilized human beings:
pinknews . co . uk /news /articles /2005-13270.html
savebryce . ergonomicalministries . org /main_page.html
IamaKinsey06 2 years ago
IamaKinsey06 - I agree with you completely. Fortunately, those who think that being Gay is unnatural are becoming fewer and fewer. Eventually they will die out.
Atlavocat 2 years ago
I agree, all the ex-gay groups do is shame people back into the closet. Those who go through these group and don't go back in the closet, feel they have failed their family, themselves, and if they are believers, God. I think most who go to these groups are believers, since they are run by religious groups. Unfortunately, a high number of those who go through such groups end up in deep depressions and in need of therapy, and many attempt and succeed at suicide.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
Wrong, gay people have been shamed into the closet, and then eventually they come back out. Sexuality isn't black and white, its a scale, with strait being in the middle, gay at one end, and by at the other. Some people who think they are gay, are actually bi. These people may go with same sex partners for a while, & then prefer opposite sex partners, while some start with opposite sex partners & then prefer same sex partners, and still others bounce between same sex and opposite sex.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
When a bi person is in the middle, they are stricly bisexual, when they are more attracted to their same sex, then they are said to lean towards gay, and to lean towards strait if they are more attracted to the opposite sex. In either case, it doesn't men that, they don't have attractions to both sexes, which is why they will always be bisexual. It can be confusing until they realize they are attracted to both genders, because society wants to put everyone into little boxes, gay or strait.
ernestmac13 2 years ago
The "Laws of Nature" are man-made, a codification of repeated patterns observed in Nature. If the event can be observed, it's natural.
An amputee regenerating a lost limb has not been included in that codification of observations and must therefore be considered unnatural.
Lohitaksha 3 years ago
Heterosexuality is natural because a species needs to reproduce itself. Homosexuality is natural (see animal kingdom), to regulate population and to prevent overpopulation, set the hierarchy, to "stabilize" social structures inside of a group, herd, etc. There are reasons for both sides, my opinion.
shairaptor 3 years ago 2
@shairaptor - Both heterosexuality and homosexuality are natural - both hetero- and homo sexuality exist in every mammal (and some non-mammals) on the planet. Homosexuality does not "regulate population" - Women with Gay brothers have been found to have MORE children than women without Gay brothers.
Atlavocat 1 year ago
@shairaptor That is the worse argument for gays iv ever heard
dxcell1 1 year ago
@dxcell1 Anal sex occurs in the animal kingdom, hence nature, as well. Daily. So get out of the closet as soon as possible my friend. Also, there are many nervcells located at the prostata that are stimulated via anal sex, otherwise they are *never* stimulated. Ask yourself why they are there. A third point, Homo, hetero, who the f*ck cares? Grow up mate.
shairaptor 1 year ago
@shairaptor You OBVIOUSLY have never educated yourself so until you do close your mouth and let grown folks talk boy. These are quotes from PROFESSIONALS ok? Unless YOU are a doctor and have done the research for yourself please keep your stupid worthless comments to yourself child.
dxcell1 1 year ago
@dxcell1 read my post again and educate yourself, my comments ARE from professionals and scientists, you obviously must have a very boring sex life. Because every hetero couple I am friend with, and I am talked to, have oral and anal sex TOO. Women love that. As do men. Period. Heterosexual practices are as "risky" (or NOT as risky) just as homosexual ones. GSD's occur on both, so shut it, son.
shairaptor 1 year ago
@shairaptor If you mean boring as in NORMAL SEX than i guess sex without anal penetration is "boring". I think you may need some new "friends" if they think that those practices are considered healthy. Just because someone loves something doesn't make it right. Especially if it causes physical damage to your body. If someone loves unprotected sex with multiple partners does that mean its OK??? If i love something that causes harm to someone that makes it alright???
dxcell1 1 year ago
@shairaptor I have placed FACTS by educated researchers that have studied the effects of homosexual behavior. These facts show that the results of this kind of behavior cause ill effects to the human body. Just as numerous studies show the ill effects of other things that result in harm to our mental or physical well being. I'm against anything that hurts ppl. illegal drug use, adultery, fornication, abuse of alcohol etc etc.
dxcell1 1 year ago
In comparison, the anus is a delicate mechanism of small muscles that comprise an "exit-only" passage. With repeated trauma, friction and stretching, the sphincter loses its tone and its ability to maintain a tight seal. Consequently, anal intercourse leads to leakage of fecal material that can easily become chronic.
dxcell1 1 year ago
So lets put this hate-discrimination out of the way. Opinions are not always reflection of that.
By the way, if you want to change the world, stop hating the haters, love them.
marioques 3 years ago
So, if I think someone is suffering and he or she expresses it I would say there is a way to change if you wish.
I have an issue with being too attracted to women that are not good for me. As a heterosexual I'm not always happy. So I believe I have a choice to become more sexually independent and less controlled by pussy power. We all have something to heal. It doesn't mean somebody deserves less love than the others.
marioques 3 years ago
Do you think that saying that nobody's born homosexual means that people choose it on purpose?
And having this opinion means to you that I don't love homosexuals?
It's like saying that I don't love blind people because I know a treatment for that blindness.
Nobody's forced to see and nobody can be forced to change sexual orientation because the main cause of any psychological trauma is lack of love.
marioques 3 years ago
Now your blaiming it on the parent's, thats old school psychology. Plenty of gays grew up in loving homes, with plenty of support from their parents. They have actually shown that, the brain of gay men is structured like that of strait women, the part that conveys data from one side of the brain to the other is larger in women then in men, & its even larger in gay men then in women. That's biology, not psychology. when you say people choose to be gay, Its like saying, someone chose to be raped
ernestmac13 2 years ago
My first question implied that people become homosexuals after birth but it doesn't mean it's a conscious choice. What we become in a first stage of our lives is conditioned by environmental factors and even "family karma". This doesn't mean there was no love. You know that in most families, punishment and reward, that are the instruments of our domestication are so-called expressions of love. But unhealthy expressions.
marioques 2 years ago
I'm not going deeper now into that subject but just wanted to tell you that the brain has a plasticity that allows it to develop according to the actions, interests and habits of the individual.The brain stuff is not unborn either. The mind forms the brain. Spiritual predisposition, family, society and circumstances make the conditioned mind, later the individual can change with effort. The spirit can change the mind, and the mind the habits, the habits the brain, the brain the body etc..
marioques 2 years ago
ernestmac13 - Very true. There is no such thing as an "ex-Gay" person. Sexual orientation is fixed before birth and cannot be changed after birth. People can chose to be celibate - but that's the truly unnatural state (and hardly ever works).
Atlavocat 2 years ago
I agree....no one asked to be homosexual...it just happens...so pls dont discriminate them ok... but accept them as one of us...
ferdinand1957 3 years ago 2
People are not born gay. Science has no evidence that would say otherwise.
gigman7 3 years ago
Over 11,000 gay couples have married since June 15, 2008. Please ask yourself these questions! Has your child or grandchild come home from school and said that they learned about gay marriage? Was your child taught about alcoholism and drug addition and decided to become a drug addict or alcoholic? No, they haven't. Stop the fear advertising! America is tired of it! Hate and intolerance ARE NOT family values! Vote NO ON 8!
peaceispatriotic7 3 years ago
Thanks for the video dude, i tottaly agree :)
Lucasseila 3 years ago
This large group in Iraq is eliminating rights of a small group. Reports came in of teen-agers killing kids from the smaller group. They tie them to fences and stone them to death. They had an election, but the larger group continues to win the vote. Teens are learning the discrimination makes their parents happy because it gives children a better chance of getting into Heaven. The killings and discrimination continues. The US stepped in and helped? Was this right to step in? Vote No on 8.
LoftLivingLA 3 years ago
well put. I needed to hear that... i was indiffrent on life as a "closeted homo" but now I feel a tad bit better about keeping a sense of perspective.
marlboroughrez 3 years ago
praxuss, u hit the nail on the head. Well done. A perfect explaination. Many hetero people beleive that gay people can change, well if its that easy as u say it is, then perhaps its just as easy for a hetero guy becoming gay. But now thinking about it, wouldnt that mean we are all bisexual, since we can choose between what gender we sleep have sex with?.
jtso6123 3 years ago
You're video is long and I don't understand your view totally. Sexuality is not a bloody biological thing, no no no! Scientists need to fuck off for real. I am gay but it is because I am human, not "wired differently." Homosexuality is prevalent in all cultures, but to do different degrees, depending on how it is accepted. You're wrong my friend.
jlenaghan 3 years ago
Oh and btw Rich, you knew I couldn't pass this up. LOL
Praxxus55712 3 years ago
First of all, homosexuality is "natural". It's simply a sexual orientation that is NOT geared towards procreation. Nature supplies us all with the same equipment because it is not predetermined what our sexual orientation will be until it manifests itself. Sex and attraction are more than merely procrative in nature. Inability to procreate does not invalidate a person's sexual orientaion. It's actually very simple. So many people seem so threatened by something that is none of their concern.
Praxxus55712 3 years ago
I liked this video. Thanks from a hetero.
5-10% is NOT "abnormal"!!! It is merely a MINORITY (and a sub-set of normal.) I'm hetero, and this news will be a shock to most other heteros, but in the scientific world, if 10% were born w/o an opposing thumb or whatever, those would still be considered "normal"
Check out my vids on this and other topics of ethical interest.
icctga 3 years ago
Thanks.
MoLewis57 3 years ago
I think it has more to do with rights and treatment of people.
People who are generally prejudice about it tend to relate to the basis of the argument whether it is natural or not.
And the psychology between homosexuals and hetereosexuals have been researched to be similar. This isn't to say that Homosexuals are given a choice, it's that...they have the same neural responses as hetereosexuals.
horyo 3 years ago
I think it would've been more accurate if you would've said "homosexuality is an abnormality" because when I think of normal I think, among the average, which homosexuals in this case are not. But in the case of natural, It's natural to be blind because if they're born blind, it was nature that did it. When you wear glasses or begin making attempts in fixing abnormalities of nature, that could be seen as unnatural. noone said nature was perfect.
Epistemonymous 3 years ago
Actually, I can't take the "natural" question seriously.
1. Humans define what is and is not natural based on criteria they subjectively define.
2. The counter argument of genitalia is not one of what is "natural" but one of what is the "design" or "purpose". As such, it assumes there is a creator.
3. If the creator is divine, then the argument is religious, not about what is natural. If it is evolution, then that is an unconscious process which clearly has allowed for this sexual diversity.
solandcb 3 years ago
this is to "01234wdah" You dont seem very intelligent to think & put homosexuality as a sickness where we will find a cure. if you find a cure for beign Gay, then i will believe theres a God and will be the best christian ever.
flpete 3 years ago 2
I do completly believe it's natural. It's ridiculous to believe it's unnatural which means it would be a choice.
My point is: why would anyone choose to become homosexual even though you know life would be A LOT tougher for you?
reptiles99 3 years ago 2
Well, I clearly believe that homosexuality is not a choice ( As can be seen in my "Is homosexuality a choice video ) but my point is that the natural/unnatural question is not relevant to the question of whether homosexuality is inborn ( it clearly is ).
MoLewis57 3 years ago
If one defines "natural" as the inborn state of a person then homosexuality is natural. If one defines "natural" as "the standard biological design of the the human body" then one could say homosexuality is "unnatural" because human genitalia is clearly designed for heterosexual sex. My point is that even if one uses the second definition ( which I did for the sake of this video ) homosexuality is not wrong and is an innate physical trait.
MoLewis57 3 years ago
If you try to argue that homosexuality is "natural" your opponent will pound you with the biological argument. Thus, it's better to just concede the natural/unnatural question and focus on the physical inborn nature of homosexuality.
MoLewis57 3 years ago
MoLewis57 have you seen the video "The Evolution of Homosexuality" it is interesting in briefly discussing this topic. the link is below:
watch?v=UZWqQNRAoKY
xxxjppjxxx 3 years ago
I just watched it. That video was very well done. The guy who made it seems so intelligent and well-spoken that I actually felted humbled by watching it.
MoLewis57 3 years ago
well if what you are saying is true, that means homosexuality will be curable in due time, if it is purely phisical and could be diagnosed in say embriononic stage, like other defects, say diabetes posibility ect.
01234wdah 3 years ago
homosexuality is not a defect. its a sexual orientation and does not need curing. he was just using blindness as an example of how people don't call blind people unnatural because humans clearly were meant to see because that is what the eyes are for. however, blindness and sexual orientation are not on the same level.
xxxjppjxxx 3 years ago