Ex-TWA Convair CV-880 Departing From Mojave

[CAPlaneSpotting]

Wow what a pulloter lol.

[MrOrmesby]

Lot's fly in to this airstrip..... not many fly back out...!!!

[sofy300192]

Yeahhhhh....I'm liking this channel very much.. I wish I had born before so I could meet these babies...

[lolzTomlolz]

@Cowboy936, get lost< get a life< and have fun

[Cowboy936]

Polluting piece of crap...somehow breathing clean air takes precedence over nostalgia.

[schnellguy]

@Cowboy936 You are sick!

[MrMegaFredzeppelin]

Great to know it will still be used.I don't think it will pass a smog check though.ROCK ON!!!!!

[mcdonnell220]

So, if I pay rent, can I move into this video?! :-)

[MrFlashjet]

@mcdonnell220

 We'll go half and half!!

[mcdonnell220]

@MrFlashjet Deal! :-)

[warminator]

The 707, DC 8 & 727 also used to smoke back then, but nothing like the Convair.

[langleygm]

ironioc that there are windmills in the backround

[LGLG69]

Holy Smoke!

[mrusa4440]

Took my first jet ride in a TWA Convair 880 in 1969. That was back when everybody dressed up and the airline treated you like a king, unlike today where you are treated like cattle and the airline acts like they are doing you a favor by letting you ride on there aircraft.

[coolsax64]

Quit complaining about the smoke. Bunch of crybaby liberals....

[rEdf196]

Big smoke show

[UFOSPACE1999]

Destroy that ozone...we don't need it!!! What a great waste of time and energy.

[schnellguy]

@UFOSPACE1999 tell it to Al Gore and Barry.

[43447]

This plane don't have 4 engines............it has 4 cigars.......lol

Great video,...Btw: I have a Scale model of this plane in classic TWA colors.

It's very nice...

[971YOURMOM]

DAMN look at the smoke

[ozphil]

So this A/C sat in Mojave for 18 years?? They brought it back, flew it to NJ to set it on fire????

[flyinDPOD]

J-79's live on! As the LM-1500 an industrial variant of the J-79 powered by propane, It is the most used engine in industrial applications such as pressurizing gas pipelines and generating electricity. Visit "agentJayZ' channel for industrial turbine rebuilding and testing videos.

[77magenta]

just beautiful sounding engines on the girl.

[Foxx1981]

@77magenta but look at that horrible smoke they are emitting! horrible!

[schnellguy]

@Foxx1981 Thats the way jets should be,lots of smoke and noise.

[alSation81]

plane doubles as a crop-duster ... shame it wasn't preserved in TWA colours though

[VIR092]

Too bad those days are long gone, we'll never have them like that anymore. Now it's all about quietness, Stage IV and no more smoke trails.

[MrMaverick098]

I just wish they kept the TWA titles on it. It already has the paintscheme.

[777jones]

Hell fuckin yeah. This video is 100% hero.

[duvdevanik]

honestly this video brought tears to my eyes!!

thank you

[ten8goa]

Is that a diesel?? Smokes like a shitty diesel.

[drpoxy]

Fast, noisy and very, very exiting - the way aircraft used to be !

[squadman33]

Lovely old bird !!

[megatop412]

That exhaust is totally awesome and insane

[duconducon2]

did she has a full service prior the journey?

[itsmegp46]

@neverboardproduction Why?

[mrFalconlem]

I wonder how this would fly with the Rolls Royce engines that UPS uses on their DC-8's? Certainly hardly any smoke from those.

[mrFalconlem]

@mrFalconlem Correction used.. they retired their 44 dc-8's in 2009

[itapirkanmaa]

@mrFalconlem Freigher DC-8s have been reengined with the CFM56 (DC-8-70 series), not an RR engine, although a RR engine was an option for the early DC-8s. UPS have now phased out the DC-8.

[mrFalconlem]

@itapirkanmaa Umm Wrong I happened to work at Louisville for UPS Airlines in 2001, and they were RR engines at that time.

[itapirkanmaa]

@mrFalconlem There could well have been RR engines in Louisville during the time you were there, but not attached to a (reengined) UPS DC-8 airframe!

If you think you're right nevertheless, please give me the N-number or other reference!

the DC-8 prod list:

w w w.rzjets.net/aircraft/?typeid=­97

w w w.rzjets.net/aircraft/?page=1&­parentid=1355&typeid=97&frstat­us=3

[mrFalconlem]

I assume these guys who flew it were former Convair qualified.????

[mcdonnell220]

Can't get enough of this STAGGERING video!

[sbentjies]

Very cool

[KSharp320]

those were the days when flying was fun, gas was cheap, and life was good

[supersabrejet]

@KSharp320 and no computers just good pilot brains.

[MrZulu2065]

Too much pollution, but damn this is nice.

[Koaslice191]

I'll bet she would do a SERIOUS climb-out if those '79's had afterburners on them. :)

[AUgrad00]

cool 

[JBobVN]

The Convair 880 - glorious in its political incorrectness. Smoky, noisy, and they used to make the furniture rattle at homes within the landing path.

[fmpt01]

WOW no sabia uqe estos aviones fuesen fumigaodres xDDDD

[Capn2Mike]

The one good thing about the smoke - it helped in avoiding wake turbulence :-)

[tony711978]

funny how there's wind turbines in the background! with all the smoke

[MD881212]

6:00 <-------- click here for the takeoff

[princesslithium]

@jacksonkellfreak.When you assist to an Airbus pilot training, they teach a Decalogue of things pilot should have in mind at all times and one of them is “use the correct level of automation”. The other one is “is something is not right TAKE OVER” pilots are just too comfortable to flight the plane once in a while.

[Dc9fan]

That thing should buzz Al Gore

[princesslithium]

Just look all that smoke. Is a good thing the GEJ79 engine is no longer in service. Thank God for AIRBUS.

[Jacksonkellyfreak]

@princesslithium airbus puts too much technology in their planes. im sorry but when a plane can override a pilot input for any reason its a bad thing. the crash in france was due to the plane not letting the pilot climb out

[ralphsteadey]

@Jacksonkellyfreak Really? Wow I did not know...

[Jacksonkellyfreak]

@ralphsteadey theres an episode of air crash investigation here on yt that showcases that accident. check it out

[itsmegp46]

@princesslithium This jet is early 1960's technology. Even if Airbus existed back then, their planes would have been just as dirty.

[MrDanieldb]

what a smokey old bastard. Love it.

[MaxedOutFreaky]

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[TheNovum]

Old airliners sound cooler

[luvpinas123]

Not very environment friendly..

[erracht]

@drumdude46 yes, these are turbojets! No fan propulsion on this baby. As RyanBomar wrote, there is no bypass because there is no turbofan fan in the engine, so nothing to bypass.

Wow, it's amazing to get this footage (I.E. of a CV880 actually flying in the 1990s). But man, that thing is smoky. I shudder to think how much carbon monoxide entered the atmosphere through the use of this type.

[TheEMS41]

boy is he smoking ass ......... wow !

[chatouneify]

Which magnificent sound

[florbor007]

Wow its dirty smoke :p nice video

[aviafanat]

американский окурок

[EJ205T]

@aviafanat

И ты ещё называешь себя авиафанатом? 

[aviafanat]

@EJ205T Называю себя так,как считаю нужным.я в хорошем смысле назвал так этот самолет.Коптит как ту-134...

[sidoney101]

Love the vid! Was it really in storage for 18 years before it's final flight? Obviously they would've checked it was flightworthy but do you know if it would've needed a lot of work? Finally what's with the smoke? Did they always smoke like that or is the old bird clearing its throat after so long. Not a bad end as a fire trainer.

[itsmegp46]

@sidoney101 All the older jets, especially the turbojet engines used to smoke like that. I remember them as they flew over my house 45 years ago. Back then, there were no noise or pollution standards that exist today.

[sidoney101]

@itsmegp46 Thanks for that. I grew up in the 80's and 90's so didn't see any of these old beasts. I don't trust air I can't see ;)

[hoss73ford1]

@sidoney101 I would think the hydraulics would had to have been completely gone thru

[maespip]

Holy smoke ! ;-)

[ajtnk0707]

Great!!.

[432ps1]

Are the stubby tubes on the rear of the engine the hush kit? I always thought only Conways had those weird extractor tubes. You gotta love the thunderous CRACKLE of those RR Conways, but this is one amazing video of an awesome vintage bird!

[ProChoiceJesus]

I LOVE IT! I'm a piston-only SEL instrument rated comm pilot, never flown a jet, and an A&P structures/sheetmetal mechanic, but the sound of those J79s & the smoke, & the lack of bypass, awesome, awesome stuff! I hope that thick, black smoke found it's way over the heads of every environmentalist wacko living in the area. I'm mostly into WWII piston planes, but any old jet has the potential of choking me up, and I mean my emotions, not my lungs! Beautiful! All due respect to environmentalists!

[WickedWings07]

Looks like the EPA's private jet.

[CaptainoTriJets]

What a great vid! I really love such old birds! Thx for sharing!

[corrodesthefilm]

Think yer runnin' a bit rich

[tom211t]

Breeeaaath deep nikkuh!

[vintagepropguy]

I have to only guess, these cats caressing the engine are feeling for temperature rises in the compression section, zero experience with this kind of engine...

[Mrmartinnico]

good contamination !

[elviscash56]

goddamn, the days before pollution restrictions

[Ichristian96]

No way that can be good for the environment.

[drumdude46]

weird. i'm seeing engines starting with EGT coming up, smoke emanating from the rear turbine outlet, but...... NO forward Low-Compressor Fan Turning in the Front?

also, these are "TurboJet" engines correct. are they High_Bypass Ratio?

[RyanBomar]

@drumdude46, I can't answer the first part of your question but a "straight pipe" or turbojet = no bypass. With a turbofan you can high or low, for example a JT8D vs a JT9D.

[robertplattbell1]

@RyanBomar Are those inlet vanes and not turbine blades? Perhaps?

[Helicopterpilot16]

@robertplattbell1 Yes, the J-79 Has VIGV's (Variable Inlet Guide Vanes).

[mytmousemalibu]

@drumdude46 The front "Blades" you see dont turn. They arn't compressor blades. Those are VIGV's (Variable Inlet Guide Vanes) The CJ-805/J79/LM1500 which this is has adjustable angle inlet guide vanes and stator blades which is what you see. Look closely when the camera is in front of the second engine is started. Look BEHIND the first set of "blades" and you will see the 1st stage compressor blades spin up on start. Also notice the VIGV angle differanc between engine running VS off.

[mytmousemalibu]

These engines are Pure turbojets, not turbofans. There is no bypass ratio, that only applies to turbofans. Since they are pure turbojets as all older jets are, all air pulled in the front passes through the core off the engine and out the back! So this engine has no fan. The first turbofans were the Rolls Royce Conway, and Pratt & Whitney JT3D. All old turbofans were low bypass as its old technology. And long live the low bypass turbofan, love that smokey, noisy goodness!

[saberbeasty]

@drumdude46 I believe the first 'vanes' are static. there not like modern engines where the HBR fan sit... in the video you can see the start of one engine and the blades Behind the static ones can be seen starting to turn.

[SoulMaker]

@drumdude46 At the front of this particular engine you can see the inlet guide vanes, which direct the incoming air in the most efficient possible way. The main compressor is placed behind the vanes ;)

[sluggs10289]

@drumdude46

I'm not one-hundred percent sure on this, but I believe that the stationary "rotors" that you're seeing in the engine's intake are called "variable stator vanes." They do not spin, but are able to pivot along their Y axis to straighten the airflow traveling in/through the engine.

[alaxus]

@drumdude46 , What you are seeing in front of the Engine are the IGV's (Inlet Guide Vanes). The first stage of the compressor is behind the vanes. At 3:00 you will notice as the power increases that the vanes open up to allow more air in to the compressor.

[patriot0048]

@drumdude46 These are the civilian version of the J79 turbojet, the engine that powers the F-4 and F-104, these engines are pure turbojets with no bypass at all.

[patriot0048]

Respond to this video Love these old engines! Good ol days of aviation.

[Helicopterpilot16]

@drumdude46 VIGV's, (Variable Inlet Guide Vanes) The J-79 or GE CJ-805-3A (The Civil Version) has them.

[superskullmaster]

@drumdude46 thats because you are not looking at the N1 fan when you look at the intake of these jets. You are looking at the variable stator vanes. They are BEFORE the fan and control the amount of air allowed in to prevent compressor stalls and surges.

[fordlandau]

no need for radar to track that plane ...just follow the smoke all the way ..great video...great plane ..thanks !!

[miguelmouta]

@fordlandau Which is the worst pollution over cities : the smoke , or the depersonalizating overcrowd mass culture ?

[cashman156]

Wow... It was sooo good to see this old bird fly again! Great Video, thanks.

[PHAER]

simply one of the best videos about planes I`ve ever saw!1 This is really a treasure, thank you for sharing!!!!!!!

[levelat350]

I DO NOT CONDONE SCRAPPING OF AIRCRAFT

[fs10inator]

Mojave, CA is airplane hell.

[levelat350]

@fs10inator I AGREE!!! LET US PROTEST!!!

[7477238]

@levelat350 Protest what you dumbshit anarchist? Planes go here for storage and for retirement (when they have reached the end of their safe useful life). Did you watch the video? This plane was put back into use and all of the derelict planes there will be put to some use through recycling soon enough. Nothing lasts forever.

[levelat350]

@7477238 I love Vehicles,Especially aircraft. we will get signs and write what you want to say. We will march to Aircraft scrapping fields,hold the signs up all over the scrapping field.These planes could also use a musuem,and ceeing airplanes scrapped is like slaughtering chickens.

[cduluk]

this is literally the most smokey jet i've ever seen... yet one of the most beautiful! You really need to appreciate this wonderful piece of machinery.

[geargemartin]

The 880 was faster than the 707 and the DC 8.

[justincrzo]

@geargemartin but was unsuccessful because of the odd seating arrangement

[geargemartin]

@justincrzo Among other things.

[itsmegp46]

@geargemartin Only for a brief period. It was phased out very early on because of excess fuel consumption, noise and its inability to maintain that fast speed.

[LTF85199]

Good ol smokey here is going to die or has already been dead

[Jens1503]

How is it possible to just start up and fly an aircraft that has been on the ground for 18 years? It must have cost millions to get everything checked and certified again?!

[03Wale]

@Jens1503 A lot

[drainfreaksdotnet]

@Jens1503 It wasn't being reintroduced into passenger or cargo service (121 operations), it just needed to be legal for a ferry flight so the requirements aren't as stringent. The amount of work put into it it was probably minimal, and they probably got the aircraft for free or whatever it was worth in scrap.

[smacman68]

@Jens1503 Would you like to be a passenger on this flight?

[coffeeairplane]

I'm curious if it was difficult for them to find a ferry pilot with a type rating for this flight.

[wilatemodel]

@coffeeairplane good question...

[superatticman]

Fantastic :)

Classy looking Jetliner of which cruised at over 600mph without needing a tailwind. Managed to see the last days of them in operation in Ibiza in the early-mid 80s courtesy of Spantax charters. Even on approach they were still pretty noisy and smokey.

[MVR326]

classic and beautiful. Smoke , noise, and all . Were those Rolls Royce Engines, or Pratt/Whitney?

[RyanBomar]

@MVR326, General Electric CJ-805 aka the J79 turbojet. The same type of engine that was used on the F-104 Starfighter, F-4 Phantom II, A-5 Vigilante and the B-58 Hustler.

[MVR326]

@RyanBomar really beautiful...as I said, smoke and all! brings back childhood memories of seeing these, 707 and DC8 taking off at JFK with those graceful black trails. What was the story behind this particular flight?

[MVR326]

@RyanBomar was it JT8D or JT9D on the early 727 and 737 ?

[RyanBomar]

@MVR326, it was the JT8D, the JT9D was used on seven-fours. Interestingly, early on in development Boeing took a look at the Rolls-Royce Spey to power the 727 & 737. One quick side note, the 737 was originally operated using a 3 man cockpit due to union requirements.

[Seesfar1]

@MVR326

Pratt & Whittney

[mekydro]

I remember the days when you would watch a jet take off at LHR and see 4 distinct brown trails following it into the sky!

[patjparks]

gawd, I can't spell peel.

[patjparks]

The smoke reminds me of my favorite restaurant from 1970. And check out those acoustically treated tailpipes on the engines. Without those, the noise would peal numbers off the runway.

[herbergreen]

As a witness to first generation jetliner ops of the 60s, Pratt & Whitney turbojets and turbofans on 707s, DC-8s all smoked. When first delivered on 727s, DC-9s, and 737s, the P&W JT8D series also smoked--which was later reduced with a so called burner can modification to the engines. All in all, the GEs on the Convair 880 were the most prolific "smokers" of any of them, hands down.

[Burnsengine]

sweet!

[planegaper]

4 j79's ..it's the passenger version of the b58 huslter, as far as i know they increased the size of one of the later compressor stages on those engines , for a small amount of bypass or cooling.. guess they never solved the smoking problem phantom pilots always complained about.. very reliable and strong power plant though..cool plane

[twal1011]

Gold. Pure gold...

Definitely banned from viewing at the Al Gore household. : )

[Spiv62]

Interesting. I am based in ACY and wondered about this classic sitting on the airfield. it has since gone. shame. We used to joke that it was on a ground stop for Kennedy!!

[eltfell]

Turbojet engines = 100 % of air taken in converted in smoke and sound!

[Moose6340]

Wonder where in 1991 they could find a three-man crew type-rated to fly a CV-880? There were never that many made and they'd been out of service so long by then.

[airthreypark]

Known in the UK in 1970s as 'Smokey Joes'

[airthreypark]

They all smoked like this...all the time. Amazing that it could be flown after this long stored?!

[duconducon2]

How long did this plane stored? What a smoke !

[duconducon2]

How long did this plane stored?

[mpzflightvideo]

Wow, great with a cool (and smokey) fly by

[fordlandau]

are the guys willing the engines to keep going ?

[rkan2]

lol it looks like the engines are on fire!

[vargas37]

Wow~!!! Loved the BA L1011's,too!

[meringandan]

I wonder if they all smoked like that or is it because this one is old?

[schnellguy]

@meringandan" Thats the nature of the beast" They were like that from day one.

[itsmegp46]

Wow, look at all the sooty exhaust. Today's jet engines don't do that at all. 

[meringandan]

Smoking or Non smoking sir?

[MrPaki1996]

@meringandan smoking please

[ostrich67]

Amazing video. I saw Elvis Presley's CV-880 (N880EP 'Lisa Marie") up close and for a 4 engine jetliner it is SMALL. Smaller even than the B720. With four J79s though it probably was a real hot rod!

[yanbras]

Wow amazing video!!!! Thanks ;)

[mcwolfus]

Great video, keep them coming.

[koolbreeze31]

Really defines the term "dirty bird"

[GOLTURBO555]

how Im happy to see this bird starting... Fire trainer? sad end..

[DeserTBoB93535]

These turkeys were notorious fuel hogs, which is why they and the 990 went down the tubes early on. A 990 could gulp as much as 30% more fuel at cruise than a B70 at the same speed.

[schnellguy]

This is outstanding,cookie cutters and a lot of smoke.Thanks for this posting.

[keystone501]

very proud to say my bro flew this airplane-and all the other 18 convair 880's TWA had!! scooter

[carlosh1392]

The engines are on and i dont see the blades rotating?

[drainfreaksdotnet]

@carlosh1392

They won't start rotating until a few minutes after start-up, especially after the plane has been sitting for a while.

[peacelovers23cafe]

Ｒｅｂｏｒｎ！good job ！！！

[cedarjet707]

The nose section of thisaircraft is preserved at Teteboro Airport in NJ, the busiest GA airport in the US, serving NYC. It is being restored to full TWA glory. What you get is the cockpit and about five rows of seats (first class), all original as it was on her last day in passenger service in the early 70s.

She has a sister ship still in Mojave, also exactly as she was on her last day on the line, all seats, galleys, cockpit etc complete (albeit shabby, dusty).

Beautiful aeroplane. Thanks!

[WINDNSEA12]

@cedarjet707 Who has the plane in Mojave? My Dad was head of acceptane for TWA, I still have the original Manuals in mint condition plus updates till 1975, Convair brochures ect., production planning news letters.r.e.interiors@cox.net free to the righ;t home

[RyanBomar]

@WINDNSEA12, is there any way that I can get the Convair manuals/brochures from you to give to Craig (who shot this video)? I can send you my info to the email address right now and I can cover the shipping.

[carlosh1392]

It Still flies beside years of being stored! Cool! =)

[avioncamper]

Isn't the smoke caused by water injection on the engines?

[walrusgh]

Damn that thing was puttin' out some serious exhaust smoke!!!!

[RyanBomar]

@NewPumpkin, I'll update the info, thanks.