dude how did you hide the control tab where you select your units and choose an order if you still dont get me the commands below your screen when you play
ah, france. a country of culture, fine art, wine, and wealth. so its no wonder that we've spent most of the last thousand years fighting wars against them. english army flag should be decorated by two crossed dead frenchmen emblazoned over a mound of dead frenchmen motif.
i got this game recently and i noticed that in custom battles, i can only upgrade weapons and armor to level one. Is this how the game is made or is there a way to bypass this?
I know you guys are probably going to look at me like im an idiot, but I am honestly hopeless at this game. Ive played the demo a few times and never won a battle. Agincourt is utterly hopeless and Otumba is impossible. I do the best at Pavia, but I still get crushed. I hear people are saying this game is too easy, which makes me feel like a tactical retard. I watch videos on how to beat them, but it doesnt help. Its like the my soldiers are too weak. Can anyone give me some advice?
@zenoist2 Possibly. I cant see where to change the difficulty setting, so I dont know. In Agincourt, eventually I get flanked, so I try to prepare some troops for that. If I just stayed where I was, id get decimated by the ambush cavalry. Well, ill try what you and see where it takes me. Im sure ill figure something out eventually. Hopefully the full game is easier, because aside from the difficulty, this is a really fun game.
@zenoist2 Im not sure what you mean by advisor, but I downloaded it from Steam.
Your advice worked! Aha, I feel accomplished lol. I had to tweak it a bit though. I had a couple archer groups fire flaming arrows and I moved the heavy bilmen on the right side of the rear lines over to where my general was. Then I faced them and 2 other groups behind to better protect themselves from the ambush cavarly. Overall, everyone stayed relatively in the same spot. A lot of casualties, but I won :).
@KubernetePirata I didnt play for 2 years ... but i think it was Map editor mod or something . It was the mod in MtW 2 to create custom map and battle
This frontline fighting portrayed is not very accurate, in reality the French were all squashed together in the order of 4 men per square metre. And I don't see much mud.
There was not flanking knights, this is unhistorical invention in this game. They did surprised me first time and killed the king. Next time i was prepared and they were cut to pieces. But still unhistorical...
@urmo345 True but in fact when news came to the English that the baggage train to the rear had been ambushed and massacred, Henry V, believing they were being attacked from the rear, then ordered that all the hundreds of French prisoners be slaughtered in case they rearm themselves with weapons strewn across the field in such an event.
looks way better than AOE, cuz the killing is more realistic, not like hitpoints it seems, one person can kill many, in AOE its like kill, then another kills him cuz low hp, better graphics too, agincourt is a good book too by bernard cornwell
Use your archers to take careof the infantry.Focus any swordsmen or spear sergeants on Henry's rear flank. Makesureyou target the french generals when they are close enough, you can attempt a morale win this way.
@MoonRayII well i take my armored swordsmen and put them where the horses flank u.put ur main infantry in front of ur bowmen and keep an i on the armored swordsmen,send more infantry if needed.havent played in a while but try it im pretty sure thats what i did.hope it helps.tell me if it does. :)
use all of ur knights to charge on the front enemy while all of the right and 2 of the left yeoman assist them with torched arrows....use the billmen,ur king and the other yeoman for the ambush force...
also one of the things was when the horsemen were charging they were slowed down by the mud on the ground and soon triped and were stuck in the mud while being pelted by arrows
Ok i played this part for the free one but all you have to do in this game is do nothing lol just leave it as it is im serious ive done it and i won. but u might lose sometimes, i love this battle
just need to use your head mate, the great tactical leaders had all sorts of tricks up their sleeves.. hence what made them great.. so your best bet is to either flank them or counter their attacks ^^
@smoke0imix0god yeah but u gotta look at mini and the french cav at ur back is true during the battle french cav got into the english camp and were looting it... except this time they decided to hit the back of your line. and its not too hard after some practice
the English totally destroy the french unfortunately Because of the Mud and the high numbers of enlgish longbow man the English where 7000 and beat an army of 20 000 french ....
I know, in strategic terms, the English should've been the underdog but the game already set it up for you for the English to be in that defensive position. Anyways, nice video!
that time england was a little weak country. Hungary was the strongest kingdom in medieval Europe. Henry V was a poor weak king. Hungarian Louis the great was the strongest on the continent. Type in english wikipedia: Louis the great , and type: history of Hungary
i like this battle & never lost it, if u know what to do in time u'll win, its easy. I found hasting abit harder than this one but still i crushed them.
I tried this battle, got my ass kicked. I usually held off the first wave of men but then when the second wave rushed, their generals cavalry attacked my general from behind, glad to know the level is beatable though =/
I actually figured it out...it's kinda simple...you have to have some infantry guard the rear because late in the battle, the second French army comes.
But even that, the muddy field was supposed to slow down the charge of the knights(at least that's what happened in actual history).
La France a perdu beaucoup de batailles, mais tous les autres aussi . Le fait que la France reste un fort pays prouve aujourd'hui qu'ils ne sont pas tout à fait aussi faibles que d'autres pensent.
Pardonnez mon pauvre français. L'anglais est ma langue primaire.
i couldnt udnerstand how to beat this batle, eventualy i decided to put all units behid the wod staks on the right side and then i put all my melle units in front behind the stakes then archers behind them, then my king and his bodyguards. The stakes protect u from the calvary and all u have to worry about is the infintray, which u should use ur archers to kill them. this workd untill the calary flankd me, then i lost liek 1/2 my troopsi won this battle with like 30 units remaining it was crazy
ha. thomkiller disabled comments on several of his videos. youtube is dumb to add comments, for like the last 2 hours i can't add shit on 99% of my videos.
it is not hard, you just need a certain software, anyways, thomas when you return to quebec city tell me if i am right, this game is edited into 5-6 games because i heard them say only half the enemy forces remain like 5 times in a row.
the battle i did is more harder with the custom battle editor cause the french charge in 1 wave with full cav and unit ( more intelligent) it is harder cause in the original game ( no mod) the battle is easier cause the french charge in like 2 or 3 wave easy ) cause u have the time to kill wave by wave the ennemy and no u are not right i did 1 battle
but it is more accurate when they mass in 3 waves, because in real life, the french charged unorganized, and those from the 2nd and 3rd wave came to the first and they got so crowded that they could not move their swords, and they got killed swiftly, plus right as they were going to back out of the fighting, the 2nd and 3rd wave plunged right into them and trapping them, so the armies of the french cavalry commander jean made a failed attempt to flank the british to save the infantry and he died
at 0:50 i heard a guy say "deal wuth it" after he stabbed a horse
MrAdamcowgill 13 hours ago
2:28 PWWWWNNNNTTTT
MaeXL100 5 months ago
Turn ur fire arows on
SuperHastii 5 months ago
Once more into the breach, my friends! Once more into the breach!
Zanator1 5 months ago
I'm a noob, I know but how do I get heavy infantry? Is there some kind of building or something?
Didang49 6 months ago
@Didang49 well some require research and others higher ranking buildings and some just where youa re at
Lighthouse418 6 months ago
well this just sums up Agincourt - 2:01. a french knight being killed by an english peasant archer lolol
TalonMercenary 6 months ago
It was actually the mud and very poor strategy which led to it being a massacre of the french army. The constant arrows didn't help either hahaha
TalonMercenary 6 months ago
how do you toggle the display for videoing this?
TheEldestScroll 9 months ago
dude how did you hide the control tab where you select your units and choose an order if you still dont get me the commands below your screen when you play
supercool918 10 months ago
My laptop is so shit. How do I fix it? It literally skips every second and it's so slow.
HULLOHULLO15 10 months ago
It/s weird they lost france twice in world war 1 and 2 luckily the english saved them. :)
manise29 11 months ago
@manise29 what?
Hussarer 11 months ago
@manise29 i know right!
Germany defeated France two times in the World Wars, and England saved......uh.....liberated their sorry asses!!!
smallfire66 11 months ago
All of that shiny armor, pretty horses, pretty swords and armor were completely useless against the English Long Bow.
horeslayer 1 year ago
@horeslayer You listed armor twice ...
akahi5 1 year ago
@akahi5 damn it.
horeslayer 1 year ago
ah, france. a country of culture, fine art, wine, and wealth. so its no wonder that we've spent most of the last thousand years fighting wars against them. english army flag should be decorated by two crossed dead frenchmen emblazoned over a mound of dead frenchmen motif.
waprice1 1 year ago
i got this game recently and i noticed that in custom battles, i can only upgrade weapons and armor to level one. Is this how the game is made or is there a way to bypass this?
fdsa4321fdsa 1 year ago
I know you guys are probably going to look at me like im an idiot, but I am honestly hopeless at this game. Ive played the demo a few times and never won a battle. Agincourt is utterly hopeless and Otumba is impossible. I do the best at Pavia, but I still get crushed. I hear people are saying this game is too easy, which makes me feel like a tactical retard. I watch videos on how to beat them, but it doesnt help. Its like the my soldiers are too weak. Can anyone give me some advice?
LotusDragon09 1 year ago
@LotusDragon09 agincourt you basically stand there dont move anything around and press fire at will. you should win then..
I did set mine to easy though.
Maybe the demo is set to medium or hard ? i dont know.
zenoist2 1 year ago
@zenoist2 Possibly. I cant see where to change the difficulty setting, so I dont know. In Agincourt, eventually I get flanked, so I try to prepare some troops for that. If I just stayed where I was, id get decimated by the ambush cavalry. Well, ill try what you and see where it takes me. Im sure ill figure something out eventually. Hopefully the full game is easier, because aside from the difficulty, this is a really fun game.
LotusDragon09 1 year ago
@LotusDragon09 hmm now you mention it i cant see where you change the difficulty setting either.
It might have been a thing you do when its first installed.
I know I had an option and picked easy which seems to have now gone.
Buy the game! its great! I love it for the cinematic possibilities when you save a battle.
Do you get an advisor with a demo? Select all troops ctrl and A and have fire at will enabled.
Keep them all fire at will.
Press enter to deselect them all.
zenoist2 1 year ago
@zenoist2 Im not sure what you mean by advisor, but I downloaded it from Steam.
Your advice worked! Aha, I feel accomplished lol. I had to tweak it a bit though. I had a couple archer groups fire flaming arrows and I moved the heavy bilmen on the right side of the rear lines over to where my general was. Then I faced them and 2 other groups behind to better protect themselves from the ambush cavarly. Overall, everyone stayed relatively in the same spot. A lot of casualties, but I won :).
LotusDragon09 1 year ago
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man, how did you manage to let those Frenchies get through your lines like that?
on my game, they don't have a chance to get behind the stakes
KubernetePirata 1 year ago
man, how did you manage to let those Frenchies get through your lines like that?
on my game, they don't have a chanceto get behind the stakes
KubernetePirata 1 year ago 2
@KubernetePirata because i was playing in a mod. And in this mod ALL the french charged at me in 1 wave.
ThomKiller 1 year ago
@ThomKiller interesting mod
name?
KubernetePirata 1 year ago
@KubernetePirata I didnt play for 2 years ... but i think it was Map editor mod or something . It was the mod in MtW 2 to create custom map and battle
ThomKiller 1 year ago
This frontline fighting portrayed is not very accurate, in reality the French were all squashed together in the order of 4 men per square metre. And I don't see much mud.
lozza925 1 year ago
There was not flanking knights, this is unhistorical invention in this game. They did surprised me first time and killed the king. Next time i was prepared and they were cut to pieces. But still unhistorical...
urmo345 1 year ago
@urmo345 True but in fact when news came to the English that the baggage train to the rear had been ambushed and massacred, Henry V, believing they were being attacked from the rear, then ordered that all the hundreds of French prisoners be slaughtered in case they rearm themselves with weapons strewn across the field in such an event.
lozza925 1 year ago
looks way better than AOE, cuz the killing is more realistic, not like hitpoints it seems, one person can kill many, in AOE its like kill, then another kills him cuz low hp, better graphics too, agincourt is a good book too by bernard cornwell
HATINTHEKAT 1 year ago
Goddamn French cavalry -.-
wArRgArBl117 1 year ago
they said that the battle of agincourt is very famous
sonofsueraf 1 year ago
wow this looks good. i need help my pc is good but i dont know why it cant play these games its slow
Bigfellr 1 year ago
I love the music from 0:03 to 0:14 and the atmosphere of the English army with its banners
ghostflame919 1 year ago
i was close to winning then french cavalry which i didnt see killed my king
11kvamr 1 year ago
Just did this last week in our history lesson. When he started talking about it im like OMG MEDIEVAL TOTAL WAR! :P
stuart2416 1 year ago
check out my Battle of Agincourt from my last 2 uploads, i made king Henry V wearing his real tunic with his coat of arms :) looks AWESOME.
Suppressingfire 1 year ago
good jod losing 200 i always lost 500 or more lol
aramca13 1 year ago
i always won this battle but i lost many men -_- well.. my 5th try i only lost bout 200 men
StarwarsGeneral 1 year ago
how do i win it
lebanesesoldierboy 1 year ago
i saw this battle on "great battles", it was an incredible victory, fighting in a 6:1 disadvantage.
frosken22 2 years ago
this is so effing hard, they have 1.5 infantry and bloody more cavalry behind too, SO HARDD
laterrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 2 years ago
Use your archers to take careof the infantry.Focus any swordsmen or spear sergeants on Henry's rear flank. Makesureyou target the french generals when they are close enough, you can attempt a morale win this way.
tyrannasaurasalan 2 years ago
All you have to do is put some billmen infront and just one behind.
jamesfish05 1 year ago
I think it is impossible to lose this battle
DEC0RAX0 2 years ago
lol i try and make it really hard 4 myself and sometimes loose, but hardly
ILuvBorderCollies 2 years ago
Depending on the skill level,it is very possible to lose this one.
tyrannasaurasalan 2 years ago
i have the demo and i've played this battle like 5 times and never lost!
baseballsfan 2 years ago 2
How? You start off the battle with the enemy already charging you and basically surrounded.
LotusDragon09 2 years ago
@baseballsfan I have the demo 2 and i've been trying to beat this for awhile but I can never beat the last wave. Can i get some advice
MoonRayII 1 year ago
@MoonRayII well i take my armored swordsmen and put them where the horses flank u.put ur main infantry in front of ur bowmen and keep an i on the armored swordsmen,send more infantry if needed.havent played in a while but try it im pretty sure thats what i did.hope it helps.tell me if it does. :)
baseballsfan 1 year ago
good one but i'd prefer a different strategy...
use all of ur knights to charge on the front enemy while all of the right and 2 of the left yeoman assist them with torched arrows....use the billmen,ur king and the other yeoman for the ambush force...
Stefan61713 2 years ago
does anyone know where to type in the cd key it asks when u try to log on multiplayer?
muddyworm 2 years ago
do you recomend this game or empire?
AmbroseEpeeMaster 2 years ago
well for one empire requires a good comp. But it really depends on which on what time period you enjoy
WolfDemon11 2 years ago
did the english actually win the real battle im dumb haha
Bendosh 2 years ago
Yes. It was the most decisive battle of the Hundred Years War, and it claimed the lives of thousands of France's knights.
Crymson1 2 years ago
also one of the things was when the horsemen were charging they were slowed down by the mud on the ground and soon triped and were stuck in the mud while being pelted by arrows
aidan2k601 2 years ago
WTF... Wow.. French knights getting mowed down by peasant longbowmen
AKTHEGREAT1234 2 years ago
tht is what happened... :L
lip233 2 years ago
Yeah sometimes it lets u win without doing anything lol
Anime958 2 years ago
nice batttle, you have lucky to have win this battle
5/5
greetz
medievalboy
2medievalboy2 2 years ago
New serch show that the english longbowman play'd a great part in the battle but now whit the bow's , but whit the short sword's ...
FrenkieWilde 2 years ago
Ok i played this part for the free one but all you have to do in this game is do nothing lol just leave it as it is im serious ive done it and i won. but u might lose sometimes, i love this battle
Anime958 2 years ago
I did nothing and I won, for the first time after like 12 attempts, now my honor it's ruined
Yalashaska 2 years ago
i just sent out all my foot troops ( i kept 2 back to counter the flanking cavalry ) and kept bombarding the enemy with fire arrows
Ultramarine998 2 years ago
i thought i gonna win a historical battle for the first time.. and then the french charged me with their cavalry in my back..
those fckin historical battles are too fckin unfair
smoke0imix0god 2 years ago
just need to use your head mate, the great tactical leaders had all sorts of tricks up their sleeves.. hence what made them great.. so your best bet is to either flank them or counter their attacks ^^
Dusty4life 2 years ago
haha dude first time its hard but after the third time its very easy
ThomKiller 2 years ago
these battles are a bit of luck. it all depends on how smart your general is.
ultradumbass 2 years ago
dude , the french do that everytime on Agincourt scenario
Ultramarine998 2 years ago
@smoke0imix0god I did it first time.
OfficialFearClan 1 year ago
@smoke0imix0god yeah but u gotta look at mini and the french cav at ur back is true during the battle french cav got into the english camp and were looting it... except this time they decided to hit the back of your line. and its not too hard after some practice
deathswangkiller24 1 year ago
@smoke0imix0god thats why they are historical, they were unfair in real life and its historically amazing how the faction you play as won
01MSlaghuis 7 months ago
Physics is not so good in this game
Lenangreal 2 years ago
in real life who won battle?
Soldierman345 2 years ago
the english
smoke0imix0god 2 years ago
the English totally destroy the french unfortunately Because of the Mud and the high numbers of enlgish longbow man the English where 7000 and beat an army of 20 000 french ....
ThomKiller 2 years ago
the longbow didn't actually kill french soldiers in real life;)
ultradumbass 2 years ago
30 000 french.
ChaloLaMarmota 2 years ago
@ThomKiller i thought it was 9000 vs 30000
colleenmaria731 1 year ago
@ThomKiller
Actually the english had only 5,900 men and the French had 30,000
harvey11t 1 year ago
whoa iv played agincourt.Its a fun historic battle! you did well!
NewBetrayal 2 years ago
Fail horses 3:23
Crevent901 2 years ago
loll
zivsahar 2 years ago
how can u make this less lagg i keep playin my lagg how can u stop the lagg?
CloudlX9 2 years ago
turn the graphics down in the video settings of the options menu...
jordakai 2 years ago
like when im in battle right?
CloudlX9 2 years ago
no on the main menu
jordakai 2 years ago
Lower the Graphics quality.
carthagertw 2 years ago
i am downloading it right now
martver12 2 years ago
Would the French Cavalry have been able to get a charge off with all the deep mud that was present of the battlefield?
kasrkinmullet 2 years ago
in history very few men fought on horses, most knights dismounted. sorry i am a nerd who corrects everyone
BaldricksInferior 2 years ago
i place 2 billmen troops behind to deal with horses and 1 dismmounted knight in forest:)
stefciok 2 years ago
WANT THIS GAME
JackieMoon92 2 years ago
u can buy it in some hmv shops for 9.99 if u r in england, sorry dunno how to get it otherwise guess buy from shop where u r, or order online
BaldricksInferior 2 years ago
No my computer cant handle it.I know where 2 get it and how much it costs.Its REALLY annoying
JackieMoon92 2 years ago
I just formed an infrantry line behind the stakes, archers behind the infranrty and king at the back, wasnt that hard...
TheMaraudingGuy 2 years ago
this is so easy....i beat this just watching the battle i didnt even command anyone lol
indoom666 2 years ago
u probably didnt play it on a very hard diffictuly
godstrikez 2 years ago 2
I know, in strategic terms, the English should've been the underdog but the game already set it up for you for the English to be in that defensive position. Anyways, nice video!
moviemakerrules 2 years ago
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that time england was a little weak country. Hungary was the strongest kingdom in medieval Europe. Henry V was a poor weak king. Hungarian Louis the great was the strongest on the continent. Type in english wikipedia: Louis the great , and type: history of Hungary
celebration81 2 years ago
i like this battle & never lost it, if u know what to do in time u'll win, its easy. I found hasting abit harder than this one but still i crushed them.
Suppressingfire 2 years ago
your suspose to kill most of the men with your archers long before they hit your line lol
feeblemind 2 years ago
I tried this battle, got my ass kicked. I usually held off the first wave of men but then when the second wave rushed, their generals cavalry attacked my general from behind, glad to know the level is beatable though =/
Supajawa22 2 years ago
i ve puted spearman in my general to protect him but that was not enough they kicked evbdy :(
razordaruis 2 years ago
First day I played, Henry the 5th would have turned over in his grave to see me get my ass kicked on this battle.
I couldn't win...the French surrounded and zerged me...
I did win on Age of Empires II but not here LOL
Agent1W 2 years ago
me too i always get owned on this battle
razordaruis 2 years ago
I actually figured it out...it's kinda simple...you have to have some infantry guard the rear because late in the battle, the second French army comes.
But even that, the muddy field was supposed to slow down the charge of the knights(at least that's what happened in actual history).
Agent1W 2 years ago
i loose because the french infantry always owns me :(
razordaruis 2 years ago
La France a perdu beaucoup de batailles, mais tous les autres aussi . Le fait que la France reste un fort pays prouve aujourd'hui qu'ils ne sont pas tout à fait aussi faibles que d'autres pensent.
Pardonnez mon pauvre français. L'anglais est ma langue primaire.
IngeniusStrategy 3 years ago
Ne t'inquiètes pas tu parles très bien et ce que tu dis est tout à fait vrai. ;)
JimSchumacher 2 years ago
ENGLAND woohoo
kratosprometheus 3 years ago
Reposez en paix nobles chevaliers morts aux champs d'honneurs..
Quelle stratégie de merde, un assault frontal
Azdrubael 3 years ago
ouais ben les francais non jamai bien fai duran les bataille et les guerre
ThomKiller 3 years ago
pour toi l'empire napoleonien ca representait quoi ?
La France n'a pas toujours connu la défaite, heureusement, sinon la France n'existerait probablement plus...
Azdrubael 3 years ago
ouais mais les allemand aurai pu planter la france 2 fois facilement heuresemen que les allies etai la
ThomKiller 3 years ago
i couldnt udnerstand how to beat this batle, eventualy i decided to put all units behid the wod staks on the right side and then i put all my melle units in front behind the stakes then archers behind them, then my king and his bodyguards. The stakes protect u from the calvary and all u have to worry about is the infintray, which u should use ur archers to kill them. this workd untill the calary flankd me, then i lost liek 1/2 my troopsi won this battle with like 30 units remaining it was crazy
Wher3Wuzi 3 years ago
Your poor longbowmen received no infantry defense ;)
IriathZhul 3 years ago 4
這還真是一場
激烈的戰鬥
e001661 3 years ago
yeh and how did u get da video on u tube
ifdrksb6 3 years ago
da now were lowlife gheto bastards who can't speak english... very nice.
drzsr13 3 years ago
Da now were lowlife b's who
cant spell ghetto!
ifdrksb6 3 years ago
lol wow a type o big deal... and you still use da as if it were a word.
drzsr13 3 years ago 4
wow it runs so smoth for u what graphics did u put
anatoliy6002 3 years ago
he just put no shadows when u put no shadows it runs 2 times faster
darkmaster24i1 3 years ago
ha. thomkiller disabled comments on several of his videos. youtube is dumb to add comments, for like the last 2 hours i can't add shit on 99% of my videos.
ultradumbass 4 years ago
good battle
ceaserthewarrior 4 years ago
this is way better than my agincourt video
good job! I give 5
praetorian12x 4 years ago
it is not hard, you just need a certain software, anyways, thomas when you return to quebec city tell me if i am right, this game is edited into 5-6 games because i heard them say only half the enemy forces remain like 5 times in a row.
ultradumbass 4 years ago
no they said half ennemy remain 2 times cause there is 2 french army
ThomKiller 4 years ago
the battle i did is more harder with the custom battle editor cause the french charge in 1 wave with full cav and unit ( more intelligent) it is harder cause in the original game ( no mod) the battle is easier cause the french charge in like 2 or 3 wave easy ) cause u have the time to kill wave by wave the ennemy and no u are not right i did 1 battle
ThomKiller 4 years ago
but it is more accurate when they mass in 3 waves, because in real life, the french charged unorganized, and those from the 2nd and 3rd wave came to the first and they got so crowded that they could not move their swords, and they got killed swiftly, plus right as they were going to back out of the fighting, the 2nd and 3rd wave plunged right into them and trapping them, so the armies of the french cavalry commander jean made a failed attempt to flank the british to save the infantry and he died
ultradumbass 3 years ago
commant pls :)
ThomKiller 4 years ago
Such a cool video ! I don't really play to those games but your video is still interesting! It must be complicated to do a video like that!
xxlouiisxx 4 years ago
merci :P dsl si la qualité es po bonne je sais po pk sur mon ordi c super bon ...
mais youtube c a chier ...
ThomKiller 4 years ago
Nice Video :) and nice Skills :P
jk0b 4 years ago
vraiment sick loll
nathe8890 4 years ago 2