you have the same rifle i do i called savage and they said only use what is stamped on the barrel. i went to a gun store and asked if it would blow up ,and they said its not a good idea, but you could. they just said not to do it all the time. how many have you put throught your gun and did it lock the bolt up or anything? i want to shoot the nato. just dont want to loose half my head in the process.
@MrThepipelayer1 I've put well over 1,000 rounds of the NATO ammo through it and I have not encountered any problems. I keep it clean and have not experienced any bolt sticking or anything like that.
Just don't do it that's a nice gun don't f*** it up. But I have a 1944 kar98k that I had an original round for. It fit in the gun fine when I first found the bullet but then it was almost like it grew bigger and got stuck in the gun. I got it out but does anyone have an answer as to why it did that
I had to ask my gunsmith about this topic. I was informed that chamber pressures are the same. 62k CUP is 50k PSI. Hotter rounds are subject to relativity between brands. Surplus and Commercial. However NATO may not work in some 308WIN rifles because of headspacing. NATO rifles allow for more clearence because of multiple rounds being fired in war applicatoins. Commercial 308 rifles do not have extra headspacing. A NATO round could, over time ruin your domestic hunting rifle.
yes the military uses higher pressure powders. so if your gun isnt rated for nato rounds then i would highly recommend not shooting these, as they will most likely damage or explode your gun.
NATO is generally hotter. The primmers are harder. The neck of the brass is crimped harder.(this is for battle duribility) Anyone who says American made hunting AKA Winchester,Remmington is Hotter or higher PSI than 50's to 80's 7.62N is HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Stocp smoking refer and look at the PSI of a 80's German NATO round. American 147gr. is much lower PSI. However, modern firearms are well built, Savage,Winchester,Remmington. They will deffinately fire either.
@doomsdaymachine619 The cambering spec of 308 denotes a higher tolerance for psi than the spec of the 7.62 NATO but i agree some military surplus ammo is hotter than the spec of its cambering, just to say by definition the 308 is hotter..
Ok im and 89B in the army...that means ammunition specialist..its my job..so first of all 7.62 nato is safe out of. 308 but not the other way around...and as lons as ammo has not seen water damage its safe to shoot...afghannies shoot 50+ year old ammo at us all the time
basicly the same cartridge, just with less internal room. if you reload military brass, you have to be careful because that will make the pressure higher than in a civi case.
the difference in length is from one round being a sp and the nato round being a full jacket. I don't think there is any difference in the .308 and the 7.62 at all I have fired both out of my ptr 91/hk g91. The soft point is a hunting round though I don't think the nato round is the best choice for hunting.
There is a difference between the .223 and the 5.62. presures were increased in the 5.62 so you can't use a rifle chambered for a .223. I have never had any problems with the .308 though.
you cant shoot 5.56 out of a gun that shoots 223 but you can shoot a 223 out of a 5.56 because of the gas thats created from the 5.56 thats y you cant put 5.56 in it DONT EVER SHOOT 5.56 IN A GUN THATS MENT FOR JUST 223 BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU BARREL unless you dont care about your barrel and parts of it flying threw the air
@Supra7887 An AR-15 can use both. However, according to Wikipedia: "The 5.56 mm NATO and .223 Remington cartridges and chamberings are similar but not identical. Military cases are generally made from thicker brass than commercial cases; this reduces the powder capacity (an important consideration for handloaders[12]), and the NATO specification allows a higher chamber pressure." There are more details on the Wikipedia page. Just look up "5.56 mm"
@Hindermore -please dont ever get advice from wikipedia anyone can write about stuff and not give you proper facts. its not recomended that an ar15 use 556, however a 556 can use the 223
@xsv75 It depends on what the barrel was chambered as retard all ar15's are not created equal lol. if the barrel is stamped 5.56 NATO then that is the caseing it was chambered for if it says .223 then dont run 5.56 but in a 5.56 chamber you can run baby bitch .223 all day. it is also said that most 5.56 barrels shoot more accurately with 5.56 due to the Od of the actual bullet
@Supra7887 if you have a gun chambered in 556, it can shoot both, but if its chambered in 223, thats only what you can shoot....there is also Wylde Chambers, they can shoot both as well
@Supra7887 you cant shoot 5.56 out of a gun that shoots 223 but you can shoot a 223 out of a 5.56 because of the gas thats created from the 5.56 thats y you cant put 5.56 in it DONT EVER SHOOT 5.56 IN A GUN THATS MENT FOR JUST 223 BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU BARREL unless you dont care about your barrel and parts of it flying threw the air
Respond to this video... you cant shoot 5.56 out of a gun that shoots 223 but you can shoot a 223 out of a 5.56 because of the gas thats created from the 5.56 thats y you cant put 5.56 in it DONT EVER SHOOT 5.56 IN A GUN THATS MENT FOR JUST 223 BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU BARREL unless you dont care about your barrel and parts of it flying threw the air
@donzi1011 yes I checked further to find out the only consideration is chamber pressure, its not advised to use a 308 round in a gun chambered for a 7.62,, but a 7.62 in a 308 is okay,,thanks for your feed back,, By the way I Just ordered a 308 with factory bore sited scope, I saw the ammo is much cheaper than the .270 I was going to get.
I went to the source to get the real answer. I went to the US military!!! I asked what the pressure difference was between the 7.62 NATO and a commercial .308 round. The answer was .... the NATO round was rated at 50k-52k CUP pressure where as the commercial .308 measures 60k-62k PSI .... what does this mean? The 7.62 NATO is actually rated at 60k PSI ... so with only a 2k difference in pressures, they are nearly identical. Hopefully that helps someone. :)
If you dont want to fuck up your chamber or the rifling and even the muzzle end respect that simple rule ;)
Your rifle will start misfiring more frecuently is you keep shooting bullets that werent supposed to be there and your accuracy will be very fucked up too. PSI told me that ;)
just what i needed. I need to buy an elastic round holder to fit over my 7.62x54r mosin nagant, but none were available in that caliber. So now i know they are similar enough for me to buy a .308 holder and use it instead.
I was running into the same question too! Im running a r700 .308. did some research and found out that factory ammo aka Winchester .308 generally have a higher pressure due to the fact hey carry more powder, in the 7.62x51 this is offset due to the thicker brass casing. So in this case it is generally fine to shoot 7.62x51 out of the .308 but be careful doing it the other way around. Its actually the opposite from the 5.56 & .223 debate. So far I've sent 120+rounds of 7.62 through my .308. glk
From what I understand, the military 7.62mm pressures are measured using the copper crusher gauge and the .308 is measured with some piezoelectric gauge, which gives the impression that the .308 has way higher pressures than the 7.62mm. But because they are two different gauges, they measure pressure differently and give two different numbers. In reality, they are both very similar, although the .308 will still have slightly higher pressures due to its thinner casing.
U must be new to guns.....but aside from beriden primer and LOWER pressures in the nato than the 308....you got it on the head....confusing hiring pressures in 5.56 NATO to .223 REM SAAMI pressures.....not the same in .308 WIN....I got many rifles in both calibers.....love them...the Prec 10 Camo Savage is fun to look at, but love the FAL and AR 10's too....:)
If you are concerned about the length of the actual bullet it is just the difference in grains and seating depth. The casing is the same and the primers could be different also.
The only thing to worry about is the throat length. And in you factory barrel Savage, you don't have a problem. In a tighter match chamber where you have shorter freebore you might think twice, but even then we don't think it will hurt much in a strong modern arm. If the milsurp has the NATO cross on the headstamp, it will for sure generate slightly higher chamber pressure.
The .308 is the same as the 7.62x51.......and it doesnt matter if the tip is more rounded, its for hunting purposes, the military round is always going to be pointier than the wincheter or remington.......just thought i would let you know that.......=)
From what I have learned there is no real difference between the two...except that the military brass is thicker and does have a higher pressure.... but in a bolt, it won't effect it as you can shoot higher pressure compared to a gas operated like my AR-10...and it was cool with the 308 time....way cool..E1
this may be a stupid question, but it looks like your .308 rounds are hollow point whereas the 7.62 rounds are fmj... first off is that correct? and second off, if so-- could that account for the difference in length?
@pennylucychassis It's an F11 model. I've put a single piece scope rail on it with Leupold rings and a Harris bipod and the thing shoots great now. I love this gun.
Stored properly, ammunition should not deteriorate over time. NEVER fire anything in in a chamber that was not originally designed for. Pressure will cause the case to stretch to the limits of the chamber (this is called fireforming) in a cartridge that has smaller dimensions. This can frequently lead to case splitting, and under certain conditions, case-head rupture, which can be VERY hazardous to the shooter as well as bystanders.
@headphones222 im positive that they are the same trust me ive shot both of them through my gun with no problems. Maybe thats because my gun is a Mauser so thats not fair really but yeah they are the same. the military version is only longer because the bullets are full metal jackets, whereas the.308 is most likely a soft tipped point, but yeah basically any bolt action thats a .308 will accept the 7.62 it helps when they are a Mauser action based, cause that action is super strong.
they are very similar but the .308 is .008 of an inch bigger then the 7.62 (.30 cal) it could go through but it still is a bit smaller. id stick with the .308 round for that .308 haha. and im pretty sure accuracy is going to be different. just like taking a straw and blowing off one end. it goes straight but if u put a paper bag on it... good luck lol. stick with a .308
@gunsgalore762 they just call it 7.62/30 cal, 30 cal bullets are all 308, even 30-06, go look it up, if u r reloading brass the bullets u will have to buy are going to be .308 cal bullets.
I would just like to reiterate that I have been shooting this 7.62 ammo in my .308 since I got it and I have yet to experience any issues. I have fired about 500 rounds off already and just got another 280 more from aimsurplus. This stuff is great ammo! I highly recommend it if you are looking for some reasonably priced stuff. Including shipping, I paid about 57 cents a round. This same ammo at the local store runs between $0.75 and $1+ per round.
@Hindermore From the best I can gather , the main diffirence is in the wall thickness of the brass. If you are a handloader you might get into pressure issues with the military brass. I don't load 7.62x51 for max velocity and back my starting load down some. I do the same thing for 5.56 . As far as I am concerned the factory stuff is interchangable.
308 and 762x51 is the same round,nato round loaded to milspec.safe for civilian rifles as well as military.only difference in nato and civilian round is brass capacity.civilian brass has more capacity.nato brass is thicker less capacity.
Don't worry about the presure differences bud, that was more of a problem 40 years ago when most commercial rifles were made of inferior steel compared to the military stuff but nowadays there will not be a problem.
@ 1.42 It is not possible to tell the amount of powder by simply looking at the round... no more than you could tell how much gasoline is in a gas tank by simply looking at the tank ! nor what grade of gasoline is in the tank !!!
I would not recommend that you shoot 7.62 NATO ammo in a rifle that is not specifically chambered for it. the 7.62 and .308 do look very similar but there are dimensional differences in the cases. the chamber dimensions are slightly different too, (i.e) the 7.62 NATO round will not seat properly in the chamber of a .308 rifle.
The reason the 7.62x51mm is longer is because its an FMJ (full metal jacket) The round comes to a point for penetration. The remington core lokt (i shoot it in 270 from an r700 sps) is a hunting round with a flat lead tip made to expand to kill the animal faster.
308 has a higher chamber tolerance if its produced at the high end of scale it could explode hurting shooter and gun. although a 7.62 is safe in a 308 but not safe for 308 in a 7.62
Same round really. The 7.62 NATO has lower chamber pressures compared to the .308
Remember this, the 7.62 NATO round is just a military version of of the commercial win .308 round. as for the different lengths of the actual bullet, you'll notice the commercial round there has some lead exposed at the tip and the NATO round doesn't. The lead soft tip means the .308 round will mushroom inside the target and the FMJ one will only tumble.
So long as you keep the ammo in a dry place and check the rounds for corrosion and such you'll be fine. I have some Russain 7.62x54R that was made in teh 80s and its got some light spots on it but I don't have to worry because its dry here in Wyoming.
@Jhazmoth Hell yah im in nebraska my dad was born and raised in wyoming and got family all over i got respect for but i could give 2 shits less for utah LOL if you know what i mean
Agreed - that's South African ammunition. I fired a lot of it in that country and never had any problems. You might find it a bit sooty but I found it to be of excellent quality in all respects. Unfortunately it's berdan primed.
This vid and thread has answered some questions that I had, thanks for the vid! A place down the road from me has 7.62x51mm rounds on sale for $12 a box. Looks like I need to go pick some up!
Only thing i can say to this buddy is that ive got a 52 sks and my buddy has a 44 mosen nagant. both of us fire 762x39 and both of us have read warnings about fireing ammo with a high acidity??? its worse for him them me but you are using PycckN ammo so.... Good luck
Read the comments. There was a question about size on a message board I post on, I was just comparing it for those guys. The rounds both chambered properly and seated in the mag with no issues. They shoot nicely too.
Yeah I shoot Bulgarian 148gr light ball FMJ and it was made in 1956, put 120 rounds through each of my Mosins, and not a single dud, misfire, hung bullet, broken shell casing, nothing, it was perfect. I heard, dont really know if its true but some people get real real real old Russian surplus like WW1 stuff and yeah it shoots great. Something in the corrosive primer that keeps the integrity of the charge from going bad. So I heard.
Using .223 in 5.56 rifle is fine. Using 5.56 in a .223 rifle can cause problems. A .308 rifle handles 7.62x51 easily. Rifles that are chambered in 7.62x51 should not have .308 fired through them. Some hunting loads for the .308 and very powerful.
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Real Guns are overrated... Then again I don't like to kill. On the other side I don't want to die too... ok real guns win for me... Only in self defuese.
If you meant 5.56 is the same as .223 Rem, that's a no-no. You can shoot .223 in a 5.56 but usually not the other way around. Winchester has a press release on it.
You can fire 7.62 x 51 rounds in a .308 rifle. However, you should not shoot .308 rounds in older rifles that are marked for 7.62 x 51. Does that answer your question?
I'd trust 7.62 in a .308 gun, but not the other way around. The low risk of the higher pressure/just slightly differently sized round doing something bad in a gun designed for 7.62 (most of them being older guns) is still some risk that I'd not be willing to take.
Something in regards to 7.62 and .308. Max bullet weight of 7.62X51 is 175 grains. Max bullet weight of .308 is 240 grains. And like it was stated below if you loaded some max charge 240 grain .308 and shoot it in a 7.62 surplus rifle all I can say is I hope you got the rifle cheap.
NATO is less powerful it only gos up to a 146.6 gr bullet the .308 go's up to 180gr resulting in more then 500ft pounds more energy to the target the .308 is probably better quality atleast thats what i would choose seeing as its probably more available to the public.
All of you are wrong. The 7.62 nato and the 308 Winchester are not the same. Instead of going into great detail, what you have to be careful with is shooting commercial 308 winchester in a rifle that was designed to shoot the 7.62 nato stuff. No worries if your trying to shoot nato ammo in a 308 winchester commercial rifle. For example you do not want to shoot 308 Winchester in a M14. Let me know if you still have questions...BC
After ww-2 the U.S.Army wanted a shorter cartridge to work in the newly created weapons that would replace the vererable .30-06 used in the Garand rifle and various water cooled, and air cooled, medium machine guns. The Wichester company was a part of the testing group. The military adopted the round as the 7.62 x 51 NATO. What you have is the .30-06 case shortened The date of military switchover was 1954, Winchester started offering the cartridge, as the .308 Win. in their 1952 catalog.
I would have to disagree, at 100 yards I cant get any smaller than a 4 inch group with 5 rounds withcivilian ammo for my isreali mauser (chambered for either 7.62x51or.308 winchester) however with military ammo produced in south africa and the us, I can get abut 1 and a half inches with 5 rounds.
Ah. That's my bad, but they're still the same type of ammunition in general, though. 7.62x51 is just the military's classification for it. It's the same way for other types of ammunition. For example, the .223 is also called 5.56x45mm. I will admit that the civilian manufactured ammunition is generally higher in quality, regardless of the caliber.
7.62x51 is the military designation for the .308. It's the same ammunition. The only real difference between the military and commercial loads would be the type of bullet used, which you noted at the beginning.
you can tell the head is a little small on the 7.62/51mm ..i had a old spance made 7.62/54 R just used 308 win 150grs in it i killed a lot of deer with that old gun
Thanks man. I don't usually take a lot of videos but I probably should get a bipod anyway just for the sake of having one for situations like these. That's pretty crazy about your hand though. Hope it all worked out for you!
Please elaborate. What could I have done differently to make the video better. I am all about constructive criticism but your comment wasn't very insightful.
hey man ive got a chinese m14 308 and springfield 7.62x51..just becareful for chamber pressure that the 308 might be lower in pressure i belive its like 55,000 psi were the 7.62 nato is 65,000 to people that are not in military or are not educated when handling firearm just talk out there ass. its a big difference because your rifle will not be able to handle the pressure resulting in a nice explosion in your face and more
likely you lose a hand or it can be life threating.i know im a gunsmith
Thanks for the heads up. I have been reading up on some info from other gun experts and most of them say that it is ok to use 7.62 x 51 in newer .308 rifles as long as they aren't reloads. However, if you try to use newer .308 ammo in older military rifles chambered for 7.62 x 51, you will more than likely encounter problems. The sources I have found say the Savage .308's chamber can handle 62000 lbs. Older military rifles are typically much lower.
The standard 308 W was released after the 7.62 ammo was released. 308W operates at a higher chamber pressure. It is safe to fire 7.62 Nato in a 308 gun going the other way is not usualy safe.
+1 on this comment. Good rule of thumb. 7.62 x 51 in modern rifles is ok, and modern .308 Win in surplus rifles is not. Also, different types of powder can create different pressures, as well as hand reloads. Powder amounts, and crimping can also determine pressure. I suppose it is possible to hand load with modern propellant to specs of 7.62 x 51 to shoot out of a surplus rifle and not create too much pressure.
"practice for loading if you lose one of your hands in combat"?????? I dont think it matters if you can get it loaded because your real challenge is shooting a rifle like that with one hand.
Hey man nice video. I use both .308 and 7.62X51 in my CETME. Just a note though as long as you keep the ammo dry it will never go bad. I use "never" loosely. I have ammo from 1976 that I use in my 91/30 and I have yet to experience a round that hasn't went "boom".
I put that 7.62x51 through my SAR-8 and it messed up my rifle. If it's not a military rifle and says .308 that's what you should use. A spanish FR-8 or a M14 could take the 7.62 nato fine.
thanks for the fast anser, what grain and brand would you recomend for the savage edge?
MrThepipelayer1 3 weeks ago
you have the same rifle i do i called savage and they said only use what is stamped on the barrel. i went to a gun store and asked if it would blow up ,and they said its not a good idea, but you could. they just said not to do it all the time. how many have you put throught your gun and did it lock the bolt up or anything? i want to shoot the nato. just dont want to loose half my head in the process.
MrThepipelayer1 4 weeks ago
@MrThepipelayer1 I've put well over 1,000 rounds of the NATO ammo through it and I have not encountered any problems. I keep it clean and have not experienced any bolt sticking or anything like that.
Hindermore 4 weeks ago
Just don't do it that's a nice gun don't f*** it up. But I have a 1944 kar98k that I had an original round for. It fit in the gun fine when I first found the bullet but then it was almost like it grew bigger and got stuck in the gun. I got it out but does anyone have an answer as to why it did that
crazyredneck42069 2 months ago
are you hanicapp one handed or what???
frezdead1 3 months ago
@frezdead1 His other hand is on the camera. DERRRRRP!
bws1980 1 month ago
why take the risk why not just by .308 if you have a rifle chambered in .308 even the 7.26 are cheaper WHY take the risk this just piddes me off
ikillsilent 3 months ago
I had to ask my gunsmith about this topic. I was informed that chamber pressures are the same. 62k CUP is 50k PSI. Hotter rounds are subject to relativity between brands. Surplus and Commercial. However NATO may not work in some 308WIN rifles because of headspacing. NATO rifles allow for more clearence because of multiple rounds being fired in war applicatoins. Commercial 308 rifles do not have extra headspacing. A NATO round could, over time ruin your domestic hunting rifle.
doomsdaymachine619 3 months ago
yes the military uses higher pressure powders. so if your gun isnt rated for nato rounds then i would highly recommend not shooting these, as they will most likely damage or explode your gun.
dantheman167 3 months ago
NATO is generally hotter. The primmers are harder. The neck of the brass is crimped harder.(this is for battle duribility) Anyone who says American made hunting AKA Winchester,Remmington is Hotter or higher PSI than 50's to 80's 7.62N is HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Stocp smoking refer and look at the PSI of a 80's German NATO round. American 147gr. is much lower PSI. However, modern firearms are well built, Savage,Winchester,Remmington. They will deffinately fire either.
doomsdaymachine619 3 months ago
@doomsdaymachine619 The cambering spec of 308 denotes a higher tolerance for psi than the spec of the 7.62 NATO but i agree some military surplus ammo is hotter than the spec of its cambering, just to say by definition the 308 is hotter..
kevin11288 3 months ago
Ok im and 89B in the army...that means ammunition specialist..its my job..so first of all 7.62 nato is safe out of. 308 but not the other way around...and as lons as ammo has not seen water damage its safe to shoot...afghannies shoot 50+ year old ammo at us all the time
courtsstylelog 4 months ago 2
Don't shoot NATO rounds in non-nato chamberings. That goes for .223remington and .308 winchester.
NATO = 5.56x45mm or 7.62x51mm
ScopedOUT2 5 months ago
Did it work ? cause if it shoots fine and dosent mess with the balistics alot i might want to order them.
LsLegit 7 months ago
@LsLegit Yeah, they have always worked great. I was hitting inside a 3-4 in circle with them at 300 yards :)
Hindermore 7 months ago
basicly the same cartridge, just with less internal room. if you reload military brass, you have to be careful because that will make the pressure higher than in a civi case.
M16AR15dude 7 months ago
the difference in length is from one round being a sp and the nato round being a full jacket. I don't think there is any difference in the .308 and the 7.62 at all I have fired both out of my ptr 91/hk g91. The soft point is a hunting round though I don't think the nato round is the best choice for hunting.
There is a difference between the .223 and the 5.62. presures were increased in the 5.62 so you can't use a rifle chambered for a .223. I have never had any problems with the .308 though.
cloudmusic01 7 months ago
fmj will wear out the rifeling in the gun
cody17ism 7 months ago
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you cant shoot 5.56 out of a gun that shoots 223 but you can shoot a 223 out of a 5.56 because of the gas thats created from the 5.56 thats y you cant put 5.56 in it DONT EVER SHOOT 5.56 IN A GUN THATS MENT FOR JUST 223 BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU BARREL unless you dont care about your barrel and parts of it flying threw the air
davedave3417 8 months ago
why not take the barrel/chamber out of the gun and try fitting it in?
suoupavlichenko1 10 months ago
@csaeteurn so an AR15 can't shoot a 5.56 round just .223?
Supra7887 1 year ago
@Supra7887 An AR-15 can use both. However, according to Wikipedia: "The 5.56 mm NATO and .223 Remington cartridges and chamberings are similar but not identical. Military cases are generally made from thicker brass than commercial cases; this reduces the powder capacity (an important consideration for handloaders[12]), and the NATO specification allows a higher chamber pressure." There are more details on the Wikipedia page. Just look up "5.56 mm"
Hindermore 11 months ago
@Hindermore -please dont ever get advice from wikipedia anyone can write about stuff and not give you proper facts. its not recomended that an ar15 use 556, however a 556 can use the 223
xsv75 5 months ago
@xsv75 It depends on what the barrel was chambered as retard all ar15's are not created equal lol. if the barrel is stamped 5.56 NATO then that is the caseing it was chambered for if it says .223 then dont run 5.56 but in a 5.56 chamber you can run baby bitch .223 all day. it is also said that most 5.56 barrels shoot more accurately with 5.56 due to the Od of the actual bullet
kevin11288 3 months ago
@Supra7887 if you have a gun chambered in 556, it can shoot both, but if its chambered in 223, thats only what you can shoot....there is also Wylde Chambers, they can shoot both as well
dumfart21 11 months ago
@Supra7887 exattly you may see long range shooting diffrences depending on the amount of powder but they will serve you the same.
Igunsmart 9 months ago
@Supra7887 you cant shoot 5.56 out of a gun that shoots 223 but you can shoot a 223 out of a 5.56 because of the gas thats created from the 5.56 thats y you cant put 5.56 in it DONT EVER SHOOT 5.56 IN A GUN THATS MENT FOR JUST 223 BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU BARREL unless you dont care about your barrel and parts of it flying threw the air
davedave3417 8 months ago
Respond to this video... you cant shoot 5.56 out of a gun that shoots 223 but you can shoot a 223 out of a 5.56 because of the gas thats created from the 5.56 thats y you cant put 5.56 in it DONT EVER SHOOT 5.56 IN A GUN THATS MENT FOR JUST 223 BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN TO YOU BARREL unless you dont care about your barrel and parts of it flying threw the air
davedave3417 8 months ago
you are able to shoot a 7.62 nato out of your savage, which is chambered for .308win,
however your not able to shoot a .308win out of a rifle chambered for 7.62nato
a little different from .223's and 5.56 nato.
which are the other way around
csaeteurn 1 year ago
the bullets are copper coated soft steel. they are magnetic. they government says barrel wear is the same. so..........
Roy39thArkInf 1 year ago
so a 7.62 is actually small in dia. for a .308 I suspect it would be sloppy fit in the bore causing reduced accuracy
PaulRevere1959 1 year ago
7,62mm =.300000000000324 inch so as you see its closer to a 300 winchester mag
PaulRevere1959 1 year ago
@PaulRevere1959 they both use .308 cal bullets the barrel is .30000000 in diameter to make a tight fit
donzi1011 1 year ago
@donzi1011 yes I checked further to find out the only consideration is chamber pressure, its not advised to use a 308 round in a gun chambered for a 7.62,, but a 7.62 in a 308 is okay,,thanks for your feed back,, By the way I Just ordered a 308 with factory bore sited scope, I saw the ammo is much cheaper than the .270 I was going to get.
PaulRevere1959 1 year ago
I went to the source to get the real answer. I went to the US military!!! I asked what the pressure difference was between the 7.62 NATO and a commercial .308 round. The answer was .... the NATO round was rated at 50k-52k CUP pressure where as the commercial .308 measures 60k-62k PSI .... what does this mean? The 7.62 NATO is actually rated at 60k PSI ... so with only a 2k difference in pressures, they are nearly identical. Hopefully that helps someone. :)
mistaken2006 1 year ago
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Civilian rifles: .308 WIN only
Military rifles: Both 7.62 NATO and .308 WIN
If you dont want to fuck up your chamber or the rifling and even the muzzle end respect that simple rule ;)
Your rifle will start misfiring more frecuently is you keep shooting bullets that werent supposed to be there and your accuracy will be very fucked up too. PSI told me that ;)
Defrathos 1 year ago
there the same thing
thelongshot1996 1 year ago
just what i needed. I need to buy an elastic round holder to fit over my 7.62x54r mosin nagant, but none were available in that caliber. So now i know they are similar enough for me to buy a .308 holder and use it instead.
Michael117american 1 year ago
ha ha ha your stupidity leaves me in amazement
thatoutherguy253 1 year ago
I was running into the same question too! Im running a r700 .308. did some research and found out that factory ammo aka Winchester .308 generally have a higher pressure due to the fact hey carry more powder, in the 7.62x51 this is offset due to the thicker brass casing. So in this case it is generally fine to shoot 7.62x51 out of the .308 but be careful doing it the other way around. Its actually the opposite from the 5.56 & .223 debate. So far I've sent 120+rounds of 7.62 through my .308. glk
s3import 1 year ago
This site was informative and it indicated that there was a significant difference between the 2
followthemoney100 1 year ago
7.62mm is slightly thinner than .308 but longer and more rugged. NATO was meant to fight wars, .308 was meant to kill game
illlite 1 year ago
People on youtube still shock me on how dumb they can be.
l3lackrain 1 year ago 7
762x51 is 308
thelongshot1996 1 year ago
FYI it's "berdan" primer, not beriden...
sousatd 1 year ago
the 7.62 nato is the same as the .308. LOL
SEALofthefuture1962 1 year ago
From what I understand, the military 7.62mm pressures are measured using the copper crusher gauge and the .308 is measured with some piezoelectric gauge, which gives the impression that the .308 has way higher pressures than the 7.62mm. But because they are two different gauges, they measure pressure differently and give two different numbers. In reality, they are both very similar, although the .308 will still have slightly higher pressures due to its thinner casing.
xJTF2x 1 year ago
U must be new to guns.....but aside from beriden primer and LOWER pressures in the nato than the 308....you got it on the head....confusing hiring pressures in 5.56 NATO to .223 REM SAAMI pressures.....not the same in .308 WIN....I got many rifles in both calibers.....love them...the Prec 10 Camo Savage is fun to look at, but love the FAL and AR 10's too....:)
choipecu 1 year ago
If you are concerned about the length of the actual bullet it is just the difference in grains and seating depth. The casing is the same and the primers could be different also.
GunGuru727 1 year ago
The only thing to worry about is the throat length. And in you factory barrel Savage, you don't have a problem. In a tighter match chamber where you have shorter freebore you might think twice, but even then we don't think it will hurt much in a strong modern arm. If the milsurp has the NATO cross on the headstamp, it will for sure generate slightly higher chamber pressure.
TheProRifle 1 year ago
The .308 is the same as the 7.62x51.......and it doesnt matter if the tip is more rounded, its for hunting purposes, the military round is always going to be pointier than the wincheter or remington.......just thought i would let you know that.......=)
rickieingle101st 1 year ago
that ammo will be fine me and my neighbor shot off some 40 year old 30-06 he found in his basement as long as it never got wet it will be fine
AirsoftPaintball94 1 year ago
Hey I posted it on both of my gun forums....again, cool video...E1
ETHRON1 1 year ago
From what I have learned there is no real difference between the two...except that the military brass is thicker and does have a higher pressure.... but in a bolt, it won't effect it as you can shoot higher pressure compared to a gas operated like my AR-10...and it was cool with the 308 time....way cool..E1
ETHRON1 1 year ago
this may be a stupid question, but it looks like your .308 rounds are hollow point whereas the 7.62 rounds are fmj... first off is that correct? and second off, if so-- could that account for the difference in length?
JAndersonIV 1 year ago
The military bullet is a bit longer to improve penetration, correct?
Silent14389 1 year ago
I have shoot ammo from World War one and it works, it does not spoil. If it gets wet, it is ruined, but it will not break down in your lifetime.
prettyvacant2007 1 year ago
you need a tripod. good vid.
unclevit 1 year ago
hey is that a SAVAGE MODEL 10???? if it is how is it? i want to get a MODEL 10 PRECISION CARBINE with digital camo in 308.
pennylucychassis 1 year ago
@pennylucychassis It's an F11 model. I've put a single piece scope rail on it with Leupold rings and a Harris bipod and the thing shoots great now. I love this gun.
Hindermore 1 year ago
wtf im trying to figure out what the difference is by turning 7.62x51 into a decimal like .308
guythatmadethisvideo 1 year ago
@guythatmadethisvideo
Millimeters to caliber, look it up on google. 7.62=.308
51 is the length of the bullet.
babyeatsdingos 1 year ago
dude seriously get a tripod
alaskanhybrid 1 year ago
Stored properly, ammunition should not deteriorate over time. NEVER fire anything in in a chamber that was not originally designed for. Pressure will cause the case to stretch to the limits of the chamber (this is called fireforming) in a cartridge that has smaller dimensions. This can frequently lead to case splitting, and under certain conditions, case-head rupture, which can be VERY hazardous to the shooter as well as bystanders.
mercysnakesalive 1 year ago
One word about your next video= TRIPOD. I got sea sick watching this.
anampaiseanta 1 year ago
what was the count and how much did you get it for?
jjtmmmm 1 year ago
7.62x51mm is the military name for 308
topper454 1 year ago
They are not the same, the 7.62x51 is a little longer...sometimes the pressure with these differances can cause problems in your gun.
headphones222 1 year ago
@headphones222 they are the same
alaskanhybrid 1 year ago
erm, no they are not my friend, the military version is sloghtly longer and generates higher case pressure.
headphones222 1 year ago
@headphones222 im positive that they are the same trust me ive shot both of them through my gun with no problems. Maybe thats because my gun is a Mauser so thats not fair really but yeah they are the same. the military version is only longer because the bullets are full metal jackets, whereas the.308 is most likely a soft tipped point, but yeah basically any bolt action thats a .308 will accept the 7.62 it helps when they are a Mauser action based, cause that action is super strong.
alaskanhybrid 1 year ago
Mauser or no mauser no differance, its not a magical gun..they are not the same, because YOU had no problems does not mean no one else will.
headphones222 1 year ago
You should really pull these bullets apart, weigh the powder, compare the powder, and use a micrometer to get some serious comparisons.
stuntmanmike37 1 year ago
they are very similar but the .308 is .008 of an inch bigger then the 7.62 (.30 cal) it could go through but it still is a bit smaller. id stick with the .308 round for that .308 haha. and im pretty sure accuracy is going to be different. just like taking a straw and blowing off one end. it goes straight but if u put a paper bag on it... good luck lol. stick with a .308
gunsgalore762 2 years ago
@gunsgalore762 .308 is 7.62mm. It's just how it's rounded when it's written. They are the same diameter.
stuntmanmike37 1 year ago
@gunsgalore762 they just call it 7.62/30 cal, 30 cal bullets are all 308, even 30-06, go look it up, if u r reloading brass the bullets u will have to buy are going to be .308 cal bullets.
peepeeskillz 1 year ago
@gunsgalore762 Uhhhh, 7,62mm is .308, same diameter.
klesmer 1 year ago
I would just like to reiterate that I have been shooting this 7.62 ammo in my .308 since I got it and I have yet to experience any issues. I have fired about 500 rounds off already and just got another 280 more from aimsurplus. This stuff is great ammo! I highly recommend it if you are looking for some reasonably priced stuff. Including shipping, I paid about 57 cents a round. This same ammo at the local store runs between $0.75 and $1+ per round.
Hindermore 2 years ago
pretty much like the same width is not good enough lol, you gotta use a guage to measure 0.00" diamater in comparison lol.
headphones222 1 year ago
@Hindermore what kind of groups are you getting with both kinds of rounds?
akshooter762 1 year ago
@Hindermore From the best I can gather , the main diffirence is in the wall thickness of the brass. If you are a handloader you might get into pressure issues with the military brass. I don't load 7.62x51 for max velocity and back my starting load down some. I do the same thing for 5.56 . As far as I am concerned the factory stuff is interchangable.
klesmer 1 year ago
are there different kinds of .308 bullets?
mjndblain 2 years ago
mjn-what do you mean? just component bullet or whole round? answer is yes to component.
usmcsniper45 2 years ago
I KNOW THER ARE TRACER AND STUFF sorry for caps humm i kindsa ment the whole round
mjndblain 2 years ago
308 and 762x51 is the same round,nato round loaded to milspec.safe for civilian rifles as well as military.only difference in nato and civilian round is brass capacity.civilian brass has more capacity.nato brass is thicker less capacity.
usmcsniper45 2 years ago
So, by this logic, one could load commercial .308 into a rifle, like a Mosin Nagant and be ok?
CrystalHunter1989 2 years ago
nope sorry-mosin nagant is 762x54r caliber...308 is 762x51 nato-two different calibers
usmcsniper45 2 years ago
Don't worry about the presure differences bud, that was more of a problem 40 years ago when most commercial rifles were made of inferior steel compared to the military stuff but nowadays there will not be a problem.
Sochill247 2 years ago
@ 1.42 It is not possible to tell the amount of powder by simply looking at the round... no more than you could tell how much gasoline is in a gas tank by simply looking at the tank ! nor what grade of gasoline is in the tank !!!
rllang01 2 years ago
I would not recommend that you shoot 7.62 NATO ammo in a rifle that is not specifically chambered for it. the 7.62 and .308 do look very similar but there are dimensional differences in the cases. the chamber dimensions are slightly different too, (i.e) the 7.62 NATO round will not seat properly in the chamber of a .308 rifle.
rllang01 2 years ago
The reason the 7.62x51mm is longer is because its an FMJ (full metal jacket) The round comes to a point for penetration. The remington core lokt (i shoot it in 270 from an r700 sps) is a hunting round with a flat lead tip made to expand to kill the animal faster.
LissaMarie92 2 years ago
so, why are you not spending the extra time and effort of reloading your own ammo?
Then you know what your shooting
Northstar1969 2 years ago
So DID your amo went bad over time?
Armando7654 2 years ago
308 has a higher chamber tolerance if its produced at the high end of scale it could explode hurting shooter and gun. although a 7.62 is safe in a 308 but not safe for 308 in a 7.62
ngasalon 2 years ago 2
Unless the 7.62x51 NATO weapon was made in the USA
Jrhoney 2 years ago
Thanks so much for an informative video, Hindermore!
triplexxxsatyr 2 years ago
lol video is 3 minutes and 8 seconds long XD
4gaaj22596 2 years ago 22
@4gaaj22596
Haha lol, yea. Now to do one that is 7 minutes and 52 secons long :p
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@SSTTEEAALLTTHH wtf i never typed that
4gaaj22596 1 year ago
@4gaaj22596 Totally unintentional, hahaha.
Hindermore 1 year ago
is a 308 and a 308 lapua round the same or no im just curious
Gunsand42 2 years ago
Same round really. The 7.62 NATO has lower chamber pressures compared to the .308
Remember this, the 7.62 NATO round is just a military version of of the commercial win .308 round. as for the different lengths of the actual bullet, you'll notice the commercial round there has some lead exposed at the tip and the NATO round doesn't. The lead soft tip means the .308 round will mushroom inside the target and the FMJ one will only tumble.
Jrhoney 2 years ago 9
So long as you keep the ammo in a dry place and check the rounds for corrosion and such you'll be fine. I have some Russain 7.62x54R that was made in teh 80s and its got some light spots on it but I don't have to worry because its dry here in Wyoming.
Jhazmoth 2 years ago
@Jhazmoth Hell yah im in nebraska my dad was born and raised in wyoming and got family all over i got respect for but i could give 2 shits less for utah LOL if you know what i mean
crazymarine1991 2 years ago
i fire both out of my m1a, so i think u should be fine.....
6916802 2 years ago
I am sure this has already been covered in prior posts....
From what I have learned you will be fine shooting 7.62x51 (NATO) out of a rifle that is chambered in .308...but correct me if I am wrong
The pressure in a .308 round is higher than the pressure in a 7.62x51 but the head space in a 7.62x51 is a little longer than a .308
UltraXryder 2 years ago
Agreed - that's South African ammunition. I fired a lot of it in that country and never had any problems. You might find it a bit sooty but I found it to be of excellent quality in all respects. Unfortunately it's berdan primed.
lovemorembigi 2 years ago
This vid and thread has answered some questions that I had, thanks for the vid! A place down the road from me has 7.62x51mm rounds on sale for $12 a box. Looks like I need to go pick some up!
littleredgoat 2 years ago
those are south African battle packs. ammo will last a hundred + years, as long as it is dry and at room temperature. sealed from oxygen.
bombboy1000 2 years ago
Only thing i can say to this buddy is that ive got a 52 sks and my buddy has a 44 mosen nagant. both of us fire 762x39 and both of us have read warnings about fireing ammo with a high acidity??? its worse for him them me but you are using PycckN ammo so.... Good luck
SupraCelica98 2 years ago
and the point in this video is `???????????????
HogeN1337 2 years ago
Read the comments. There was a question about size on a message board I post on, I was just comparing it for those guys. The rounds both chambered properly and seated in the mag with no issues. They shoot nicely too.
Hindermore 2 years ago
@Hindermore The rounds are not interchangable, look it up before experimenting yourself.
And by shooting it, you are taking a grave risk.
The difference is in the case neck, but that should be YOUR job to find out.
2URBO2 1 year ago
read the fucking title.....he's comparing!
ALABAMA121131 2 years ago
holy shit that ammo is older than me. You got ripped off dude
chicago6584 2 years ago
That's the point of surplus, it is cheap because it is old. I've been shooting it for a while now. Never had a single dud.
Hindermore 2 years ago
Yeah I shoot Bulgarian 148gr light ball FMJ and it was made in 1956, put 120 rounds through each of my Mosins, and not a single dud, misfire, hung bullet, broken shell casing, nothing, it was perfect. I heard, dont really know if its true but some people get real real real old Russian surplus like WW1 stuff and yeah it shoots great. Something in the corrosive primer that keeps the integrity of the charge from going bad. So I heard.
SSSDiaz7 2 years ago
know what your commenting on before you make yourself look stupid
ALABAMA121131 2 years ago
@chicago6584 theres nothing wrong with 30 year old ammp
akshooter762 1 year ago
Using .223 in 5.56 rifle is fine. Using 5.56 in a .223 rifle can cause problems. A .308 rifle handles 7.62x51 easily. Rifles that are chambered in 7.62x51 should not have .308 fired through them. Some hunting loads for the .308 and very powerful.
samecatfromyesterday 2 years ago
I regularly shoot ammo from the 50s and 60s through my gun. As long as it was stored properly, ammo is good for decades.
Blown4banger 2 years ago
google ppl google
NATO rounds are different, 556/223 and 762/308
there are differances and that particular round should only be fired in a rifle chambered for that round
nato 7.62 has higher case pressures thicker brass ect and can be a bad thing for rifles chambered in .308
556 nato and .223 have different case sholder dimentions the only simlar thing is they fire the same .224 projectile (yes .224)
john1182 2 years ago
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snyllermand 2 years ago
they are the same it will be fine
DylanjCross 2 years ago
Airsoft9eleven, yes the M-110 uses 7.62 × 51 mm NATO round.
UnionProduction 2 years ago
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Real Guns are overrated... Then again I don't like to kill. On the other side I don't want to die too... ok real guns win for me... Only in self defuese.
MuslimNinjaAssassin 2 years ago
So long as there will be materials, there will be weapons of death.
xGothimox 2 years ago
Ammo does go bad after time, the nitroglycerine and nitrocellulose will eventually decompose, and won't burn as well
magnum9987 2 years ago
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The 7.62x51 is just the NATO designation for .308 Winchester.
Just like 5.65x45 is the NATO designation for .223 Remington.
stchman 2 years ago
5.56* lol
Firearm101 2 years ago
If you meant 5.56 is the same as .223 Rem, that's a no-no. You can shoot .223 in a 5.56 but usually not the other way around. Winchester has a press release on it.
homsar667 2 years ago 3
is that the same round the m110 uses?
Airsoft9eleven 2 years ago
A nice rifle like that, you're not going to have any problems!
gingersnaap13 2 years ago
hey guys just wanted to ask can the .308rifle be fired through a 7.62 rifle without damageing the rifle
MrAyoub1 2 years ago
You can fire 7.62 x 51 rounds in a .308 rifle. However, you should not shoot .308 rounds in older rifles that are marked for 7.62 x 51. Does that answer your question?
Hindermore 2 years ago
yeh thank you
MrAyoub1 2 years ago
7.62x51 and .308 are the exact same thing
Transporter1022 2 years ago
Except that they aren't the exact same thing, only very similar.
Jarg190 2 years ago
Well, there enough the same where there interchangeable.
Transporter1022 2 years ago
I'd trust 7.62 in a .308 gun, but not the other way around. The low risk of the higher pressure/just slightly differently sized round doing something bad in a gun designed for 7.62 (most of them being older guns) is still some risk that I'd not be willing to take.
Jarg190 2 years ago
I just bought some more of this stuff. It's great :)
Hindermore 2 years ago
Something in regards to 7.62 and .308. Max bullet weight of 7.62X51 is 175 grains. Max bullet weight of .308 is 240 grains. And like it was stated below if you loaded some max charge 240 grain .308 and shoot it in a 7.62 surplus rifle all I can say is I hope you got the rifle cheap.
TheTikka308 2 years ago
NATO is less powerful it only gos up to a 146.6 gr bullet the .308 go's up to 180gr resulting in more then 500ft pounds more energy to the target the .308 is probably better quality atleast thats what i would choose seeing as its probably more available to the public.
jmk0309 2 years ago
All of you are wrong. The 7.62 nato and the 308 Winchester are not the same. Instead of going into great detail, what you have to be careful with is shooting commercial 308 winchester in a rifle that was designed to shoot the 7.62 nato stuff. No worries if your trying to shoot nato ammo in a 308 winchester commercial rifle. For example you do not want to shoot 308 Winchester in a M14. Let me know if you still have questions...BC
billcavazos 2 years ago 2
After ww-2 the U.S.Army wanted a shorter cartridge to work in the newly created weapons that would replace the vererable .30-06 used in the Garand rifle and various water cooled, and air cooled, medium machine guns. The Wichester company was a part of the testing group. The military adopted the round as the 7.62 x 51 NATO. What you have is the .30-06 case shortened The date of military switchover was 1954, Winchester started offering the cartridge, as the .308 Win. in their 1952 catalog.
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I would have to disagree, at 100 yards I cant get any smaller than a 4 inch group with 5 rounds withcivilian ammo for my isreali mauser (chambered for either 7.62x51or.308 winchester) however with military ammo produced in south africa and the us, I can get abut 1 and a half inches with 5 rounds.
CommissarSaiga 2 years ago
Ah. That's my bad, but they're still the same type of ammunition in general, though. 7.62x51 is just the military's classification for it. It's the same way for other types of ammunition. For example, the .223 is also called 5.56x45mm. I will admit that the civilian manufactured ammunition is generally higher in quality, regardless of the caliber.
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CommissarSaiga 2 years ago
7.62x51 is the military designation for the .308. It's the same ammunition. The only real difference between the military and commercial loads would be the type of bullet used, which you noted at the beginning.
AnimeFanatic5602 2 years ago
Okay so you bought the ammo. have you fired any of it yet?
timhavens 2 years ago
yeah, it's good stuff.
Hindermore 2 years ago
the difference in length is because the remington is soft point and the surplus is FMJ
joemackinho 3 years ago
you can tell the head is a little small on the 7.62/51mm ..i had a old spance made 7.62/54 R just used 308 win 150grs in it i killed a lot of deer with that old gun
1hunterdale 3 years ago
Thanks man. I don't usually take a lot of videos but I probably should get a bipod anyway just for the sake of having one for situations like these. That's pretty crazy about your hand though. Hope it all worked out for you!
Hindermore 3 years ago
WTF this guy is a moron!!!!
pozobuck 3 years ago
Please elaborate. What could I have done differently to make the video better. I am all about constructive criticism but your comment wasn't very insightful.
Hindermore 3 years ago
hey man ive got a chinese m14 308 and springfield 7.62x51..just becareful for chamber pressure that the 308 might be lower in pressure i belive its like 55,000 psi were the 7.62 nato is 65,000 to people that are not in military or are not educated when handling firearm just talk out there ass. its a big difference because your rifle will not be able to handle the pressure resulting in a nice explosion in your face and more
likely you lose a hand or it can be life threating.i know im a gunsmith
redmule02 3 years ago
Thanks for the heads up. I have been reading up on some info from other gun experts and most of them say that it is ok to use 7.62 x 51 in newer .308 rifles as long as they aren't reloads. However, if you try to use newer .308 ammo in older military rifles chambered for 7.62 x 51, you will more than likely encounter problems. The sources I have found say the Savage .308's chamber can handle 62000 lbs. Older military rifles are typically much lower.
Hindermore 3 years ago
cool dont want to see you end up like a few ive seen lol but good luck with it. if you got anymore question drop me a line
redmule02 3 years ago
The standard 308 W was released after the 7.62 ammo was released. 308W operates at a higher chamber pressure. It is safe to fire 7.62 Nato in a 308 gun going the other way is not usualy safe.
rpk762 2 years ago 2
+1 on this comment. Good rule of thumb. 7.62 x 51 in modern rifles is ok, and modern .308 Win in surplus rifles is not. Also, different types of powder can create different pressures, as well as hand reloads. Powder amounts, and crimping can also determine pressure. I suppose it is possible to hand load with modern propellant to specs of 7.62 x 51 to shoot out of a surplus rifle and not create too much pressure.
MarshalZhukov 2 years ago
your comparing an FMJ to a PSP. thats why the one round is longer
beerdrinker21 3 years ago
"practice for loading if you lose one of your hands in combat"?????? I dont think it matters if you can get it loaded because your real challenge is shooting a rifle like that with one hand.
johnyjohnson 3 years ago
You could always rest the barrel on your forearm :p
Hindermore 3 years ago
This video is three minutes and eight seconds long.
tiecuando 3 years ago
remmi is a sp for hunting what is normally shorter than a FMJ mil bullet.
All the rest they are the same.
(maybe a bit pressure diff..???)
robin6512 3 years ago
I have ammo from the 1940's for my Mosin and it works great, I have never had a misfire
IhateSatan333 3 years ago 3
Hey man nice video. I use both .308 and 7.62X51 in my CETME. Just a note though as long as you keep the ammo dry it will never go bad. I use "never" loosely. I have ammo from 1976 that I use in my 91/30 and I have yet to experience a round that hasn't went "boom".
MikeCo10 3 years ago
I put that 7.62x51 through my SAR-8 and it messed up my rifle. If it's not a military rifle and says .308 that's what you should use. A spanish FR-8 or a M14 could take the 7.62 nato fine.
anthonyAJR 3 years ago