Here is my problem with your analogies. People have been killing politicians long before right-wing zealots started printing there bullshit. You may be right, but you didn't prove it here.
@Lordgaraj well if I use the same argument: People have been killing people long before terrorists have... so? That does not mean they are not doing it now. Same with the right-wingers. There is no way Glen, Bill and co. are not calling for violence. If you do not see that, you don't want too. (And I don't mean you yourself :) )
@Daelyas I'm open to the possibility, but I tend to be skeptical especially when politics are involved. I ask a lot from anyone trying to convict someone of insurrection. This goes for the numerous claims brought forth by the right against liberals too.
I see TYT has other videos on the subject, i'll go check those out and see if I've changed my mind.
The rhetoric does need to stop. All the gun speak, in particular. Telling people to grab their guns should not be legal. You are basically inciting people to violence, if that's not a federal crime it damn well should be.
Then there's also gun control laws. Why in the hell does someone need a magazine that can hold 30 bullets. WTF is this the wild west? That's beyond outrageous. What are you planning on taking on the mafia you now need pistols with 30 round clips? Are you The Punisher?
@EMPIREofPUPPETS Yeah his real name was crappy sounding. Not even Joseph it was like the Cyrillic version. Oh, too late, I see Empire has said it below.
@Erverino And where can you find from people like Sean Hannity or whoever saying, "Go hunt down them Liberals!"
Whether or not they're (posters on YouTube) are saying it, their comments are motivated by hate and everyone knows that hate is one of the biggest motivator for murder.
@TrollingOnline Are you kidding me? Have you heard some of the things Limbaugh, Beck, and others have said? TYT did several videos on this very subject, and I'm surprised you haven't seen them considering you're replying on this video.
Ha ha ha. "There are too many hairdressers in San Francisco". That is the exactly the type of thing Dennis Miller & Bill O'Reilly would discuss. Their making fun of the Chinese president, Chinese food as well as Limbaugh's and even Rosie O'Donnell's ripping of the Chinese language is dangerous. There are so many millions of people eating, shoveling down massive quantities of anti-psychotic drugs in this country it is out of hand. It is so easy to prey on weak minds through ridicule & rhetoric.
I know that bothering to know what you are talking about can be burdensome, but do you know ANYTHING about this topic? Interviews with Zach Osler or Caitie Parker?
Ever heard of Google?
It has nothing to do with political vitriol, 2nd amendment enthusiasts or Sarah Palin . At best you are blathering before learning the facts on the matter, at worst proselytizing a morally bankrupt attempt to politically capitalize on this tragedy.
Long time subscriber now unsubscribed. Shame on you TYT.
Of course there is reasoning behind it. Crazy people aren't vegetables in the head, there's a lot of crazy shit going on in there. As the Joker says, madness is like gravity, it just needs a little push.
@EMPIREofPUPPETS yah,I know.As long was we're havin a little history lesson here about names,his first nom de guerre was Soselo,a childhood nickname he used when he wrote letters to childhood friends.Then Koba,a Georgian Robin Hood character from his favorite childhood book,then he changed his name to Koba Stalin.He used Ivanov as well.
If he's sane enough to exchange goods for money, in this case, walmart and the gun shop, and if he's sane enough to look both ways before he crossed the streets to the mall where the shooting take place, his INSANITY DEFENSE is just BS.
the cases of teenagers commiting suicide as a result or alleged to be as a result of listening to rock/metal music were dissmissed because clearly it was not the singers fault if the teens were insane;
if the law was reversed than we wouldn't even have rock/metal music;
there should be some regulations yes, these people that they say keep repeating to the general public certain radical ideas are indeed doing a lot of harm but... you get the idea
@bbphnix Music and news-media/politicians are not equitable in this case. Musicians don't have the sort of responsibility that politicians and news-presenters do.
Violent imagry in video games and movies are the biggest problem. We should censor hollywood and "games" were you shoot people for fun and points. Crazy people dont know the difference.
@TheCameljockie Thats complete BS even the craziest guy understands that sitting in your living room shooting people in a game is completely different from actually taking a gun and shooting people
youre just using video games as a scapegoat for the crazy people, they are the problem not the other way around
@TheCameljockie nah, i don't know ne1 who gets affected by video games or movies. People are more likely to be influenced by real people than actors or pixel based characters. Glenn beck or even cenk will affect someone much more.
I think whats really being lost here is, whether or not the shooting was politically motivated or not does it actually matter?
If your position is that political rhetoric does not reflect real life, is inflammatory, misleading and all around an extremely negative force on society.
Then saying this shooting is the cause of rhetoric, is a self defeating position to take.
Because if americans think the cost of rhetoric is only a few lives.. We'll never do anything real about it.
1: The Bill of Rights is part of the constitution, it's the first 10 amendments.
2: The last amendment was made in 1992. There has not been changes made after 92. There's a couple pending, but they haven't actually been ratified.
3: "your puny Country". Way to go dick wad. There's a reason America is hated around the globe, and you're just helping it along. Ever wonder why so many countries fucking hate America?
For the sake of argument Lets say IT WAS politically motivated... so fucking what. When the columbine twats killed all those pimply faced kids at that high school the libz and the nerds defended their precious video games and shitty music WHICH was smoldering with violence and all sorts of fucked up imagery (I know cause I play games, hit me up on live my name GT is my YT account name). WHY is it okay to blame moron conservatives on TV, but not violent games?
@KungFuKing1916 if both did cause murders, yeah that'd be pretty bad, but that isn't the point. People are responsible for their own actions. I'm not going to blame school shootings on violent video games, shitty music, or movies with blood and explosions. And I sure as hell don't think its fair to throw stupid shtihead conservatives under the bus just because you don't agree with them politically. You're a dipshit yourself and totally flipped what I said on its fucking head. You a republican?
Notice the double-standard. How come nobody calls him a terrorist? If the shooters name had been AL-Ougher instead of Loughner, things would be very different.
@CardinalRaker I'm not saying that no soldiers are insane or that war doesn't cause some people to lose part of their sanity. But to say that all the people who have fought in wars are insane is ridiculous, there are many veterans from many wars that can prove their sanity and have done so as civilians for many years. To say that killing somebody makes you crazy is nonsense. There's a million reasons to kill somebody, none of them are pleasant, but as long as they are logical its not insanity.
No-one should make changes, or if you prefer, amendments to the constitution.
EVER! ..... Oh wait a sec.
/sarcasm
You are aware that the constitution can be changed, though difficult, and results in things called AMENDMENTS. It's already happened 27 times. The first 10 were the Bill of Rights. The last (27th ammendment) was in 1992.
Fuck me I'm Australian and I know more about it then you do.
Honestly, I think this shooting did have something to do with political manipulation. A mentally unstable person is perfect for the crime. Make it look like he was insane and needed to get his anger out.
Power of suggestion. Still doesn't take away from the fact that what he did is ok at all. Jared was experiencing a power outtage and submitted to avenge the controlling governing forces and take em out because he needed to get his power back which solves nothing. So he accomplished nothing and is not smart about how he went about it. Whether he cared or not about the consequences is another thing that only he knows.
@ZyonFyre ALSO because we all know that the right wing have abused the first amendement to make crazy gulllible idiots kill innocent, reform - minded people, the 1st amendment should be modified to save lives.
ALso, the constitution and socialism have no connection whatsoever. Just because I want to modify the first amendemnet, does not mean that i will nationalize all corporations. ALso, socialism had good intentions, in which it took hold duing corporate corruption. the only bad thing about it is that it is impossible.
It looks like you are a quite a "founding fathers" fan. However, you fail to recognize that the constitution sucks because it did not say anything on slavery. Also you proably dint no this by John Adams actually created the sedition act, in which he held the nation together the nation during the quasi war, by jailing dissenters. He was a founding father. Also, lincoln, WHO SAVED THE UNION, suspended habeas corpus multiple times.
This entire discussion is based on the false premise that Loughner ever heard any of the rhetoric of the right. Loughner, who was described by friends as hating TV and the news, as a liberal, and who rants on his OWN VIDEO that the wars are illegal, looks far more liberal than conservative. His friends say he hated Giffords because she didn't understand his question in a previous meeting. TYT has ZERO credibility on this issue and most others. They should be shunned.
TYT has participated in the unfounded attacks on the right claiming there is some connection between Loughner and the right. All evidence points either to Loughner being political neutral or left leaning. Today a liberal that was shot by Loughner was arrested for threatening a Tea Partier's life. Palin is being overwhelmed with death threats from liberals. We can clearly see how dangerous the left is and TYT will have blood on their hands if anyone is hurt from thier false claims.
I agree with this guy, its time for a olive branch. TYT should lead the charge by apoligizing for any comments that might of been over the top about Bush and Cheney. The first steps the hardest, but im sure even Bill-o might be moved to apoligize himself following.....
hold on a second. TYT is spreading misinformation for leftists. Where does it say Loughner was driven by a political ideology I want to see this. And this is an ironic and funny example of liberalism biting the liberals in the ass. Let me lol
ok, so basically, fuck the media. the only ones who can publicly criticize and denounce the goons on the right seem to be people in the media. what about regular ass people?? what the fuck should we do to let these fuckers know we don't agree start an anti-tea party shit? and protest and march like they do?? na. just blog it out. put it on facebook. I'm fuckin pissed
This guy was not on the political spectrum, he was against all of the current government. If his local rep was a republican he would have tried killed them. He wasn't anti dem or anti republican. He was anti the current government because the monitary system of the united states.
It seems that he believed that current gov was illegitimatebecause the dollar was no longer back by precious medal.
Yes this political, but not lib/con political. It was on a whole other level, basically anarchist.
The Constitution gives Congress the power "[t]o regulate commerce..among the several states," & to "make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" this power to regulate commerce. Even ultraconservative Justice Antonin Scalia agrees that these powers give Congress broad authority to regulate "economic activity" such as hiring & firing. Which explains why the Supreme Court unanimously overruled Hammer v. Daggenhardt in a 1941 decision called United States v. Darby.
nothing is more entertaining than reading a bunch of liberal retards leave comments, they act like they actually have an IQ! Keep watching the young tards you commie fucks, do future generations a favor and kill yourselves.
The examples are interesting, but they don't really apply. You can't draw parallels between a political group and hairdressers, simply because hairdressers aren't inherently influential people
Hairdressers are killed, then the whisperer's undoubtedly to blame. If political figures are killed, then doubt will exist. Honestly, I don't think we need hypotheticals, because reality is far more clear, in my opinion. Political propagandists shot that woman in the head, not just "some crazy dude."
the guy was stalking the congresswoman since 2007... and in all of his writing he had NO clear knowledge of the current debates... he never mentioned healthcare... he was an crazy person talking about crazy things...
Political party names are necessarily what impression a party wants to convey. The 'Imperial Rule Assistance Association' of WW2 Japan is a good example, its name suggests to the people its the right hand of the emperor doing his will which gave it legitimacy at the time. In practice under the IRAA the Emperor had slightly less power than before. The reality was rightwing Ultra-nationalist militarists captured Japan long ago and the Emperor was merely a popular front-man to please the plebs.
Societal insanity originates from those who control and strongly influence society, i.e. the American government. This is political, in the sense that it has nothing to do with either 'party', it has to do with the office, and not the official.
I think crazy people become crazy because of their upbringing and environment mostly- obviously there can be a predisposition but Im pretty sure we just like to blame it to genetics instead of facing the fact our society is the breeding ground of violent and depraved individuals.
Why stop at blaming political speech. Why not blame the parents, brothers, sisters and friends too because they all influenced him in some way. See how assinine their logic is.
@grlockett We can say anything we want about our government, and usually do. Just check out This hour has 22 minutes and royal canadian air farce. Politicians even invite critical comments.
people that say this is not political are drones, or they are publishing or writing for someone who have a vested interest in making this look NOT political, I am sure NEWSCORP could be held liable in some of these cases...inciting to riot is NOT covered by the first amendment, and one can make a legal argument that some of these cases are inciting to riot
In canada, we have a law that says you can't say hateful things about another person or group. Years ago, a teacher was convicted for saying that Jews were lying, and the haulocaust was a lie. Glenn Beck and the rest of Fox News wouldn't get away with this crap in Canada.
@terwigel we in America used to have something like that, it was called the Sedition Act and it was back in the 19th century. Too bad it was repealed.
@terwigel Problem with that logic is, what if the hateful things you say is about your government. Can they lock you up? Always be careful about making laws restricting free speech, it can bite you in the ass later. Also, be mindful of those wanting to limit free speech
Let's don't tell anyone he is a liberal Democrat. That if nothing else aid his obvious insanity by showing just how confused he is. Neither left or right are responsible. This sick little jerk is a murderer and bears the responsibility. Enough lame spin already, from both sides!!!!
Let's don't tell anyone he is a liberal Democrat. That if nothing else aid his obvious insanity by showing just how confused he is. Neither left or right are responsible. This sick little jerk is a murderer and bears the responsibility. Enough lame spin already from both sides!!!!
Wow can you stupid fucking Americans stop talking about Nazis and Fucking Socialism? You were stupid enough to begin with, stop listening to glenn beck, if you get any dumber you're going to forget to breathe..
@idontfkinknow1234 I'm an American and I agree with you 100%. These ignorant fools spouting off about ideologies they know absolutely nothing about (except for what Glenn Beck has told them, which is all BS) has got to stop, it's just embarrassing. All you idiots trying to sound smart by saying things like "Stalin was a liberal and he killed more people than Hitler did, so therefore liberals suck" really need to take a second to listen to yourselves -- you sound like an idiot.
@gj804 Pretty good point. It had to be a foreigner to warrant the claim. But a born American, never a terrorist, right? What makes us any different despite our birthplace & creed?
There is no "evil faction". Everyone has their (disgusting) reason to violate others.
@Kooshkoff It's called downfall. And I saw it. It reminded me of the Clintons, Carter, Obama. Same ideology, same lack of respect for human life as the Nazis.
the killer had the communist manifesto on his list of favorite books.... he also had mein kampf.... he was insane... you left liberals are just disgusting trying to use this to your political advantage
@ChadWardenTV How many times do you idiots have to be told this, "Mein Kampf" is in no way a liberal book! Please cite examples of how Hitler's philosophy is left wing?! The facist hated the communist, so how can their political beliefs be synonymous?
What the fuck? Conservatives ALWAYS complain about murderers pleading "insanity," and now they turn around and use it when they want to protect their OWN fucking asses. Republicans make me sick. Fuckin' hypocrites.
Party affiliation did not matter. Maybe it was political, but not anti-Democratic party. This guy was anti-government, and this was his Congressperson. If Giffords had been a Republican, the end result would have been the same. Don't make this a left-right paradigm issue, it's not.
That is an absurd example. These people are exploiting a tragedy to capitalize politically - shame on them. Loughner was clearly a liberal. If anyone is at fault it is the Left.
Bernie Sanders is fundraising off this. There are two links I am trying to post, but this site won't let me. Sanders is sending mailers telling people to give him money because of the Tucson shooting. He makes me sick. The Left will capitalize on any tragey to advance their agenda.
@jpav0923 Watch the video again and then please explain to me why do you think the man is wrong. Are you saying that the right wing is not saying all those things (then watch some Cenk´s video where he puts quite a few examples)?
Also why was he clearly a liberal? Among other things, he did shoot democrats... that seems like a strange liberal to me.
@MarvelousGeorge The fact that Giffords is a Democrat is completely irrelevent. The guy was a psychopath - he would have shot her if she were a Republican. His favorite book was the Communist Manifesto. He was always rambling on about two "illegal wars". How many Tea Party types read the Communist Manifesto and complain about "illegal wars". Obviously the guy was a liberal.
The Right has never said anything violent. BHO on the other hand pals around with terrorists (Bill Ayers).
@jpav0923 Yes because liberals are communists. Forget that myself. Mind you I find the Communist Manifesto interesting, but we all know it can never work in practice.
They just gave three examples of right-wingers who say violent things. Sure the left wing does sometimes, but we all know who does it more. I'm not even entirely convinced this guy was politically motivated, though if he demonstrably possessed right-wing reading material (which I haven't heard enough to know if he was) why not?
@jpav0923 I am certain that Hitler has read some of Marx's work. Does that make him a communist. NO. Avoiding reality by screening the evidence with lame excuses is sad. I think you ought to stand behind your ideas, but try to do it WITHOUT HATE. By the way, democrats dont like the idea of having their guns taken away, and I never heard any thing about any administration going into gun control.
I agree with what you guys are saying but not the way in which it was worded. They kinda made it sound as though the sort of things that have happened to liberals and democrats CAN'T happen to the other "side" by the same means.
I find it funny how some want to say was he just mentally unstable. There is no such thing as just mentally unstable. Every person in the world is shape by day to day if it is good or bad. if u r unstable it is the same. if you are insane u do not stop taking in info and processing it how ever your insane mind tells you. So no one is just insane they are insane and unstable because their day to day feeds that insanity.
funny, i started out on TYT's side but the more i research this the more i see Loughner had little to no political affiliation or motivation. The right wing's violent rhetoric had as much of an effect on him as gangster rap had on that guy who shot a cop a while ago. although if you were to argue that its fucked up that i even have to compare right wing political rhetoric to gangster rap, then i would agree with you 100%
Who is this man? Is he a psychiatrist or psychologist?
ChadC919 2 months ago
Here is my problem with your analogies. People have been killing politicians long before right-wing zealots started printing there bullshit. You may be right, but you didn't prove it here.
Lordgaraj 1 year ago
@Lordgaraj well if I use the same argument: People have been killing people long before terrorists have... so? That does not mean they are not doing it now. Same with the right-wingers. There is no way Glen, Bill and co. are not calling for violence. If you do not see that, you don't want too. (And I don't mean you yourself :) )
Daelyas 1 year ago
@Daelyas I'm open to the possibility, but I tend to be skeptical especially when politics are involved. I ask a lot from anyone trying to convict someone of insurrection. This goes for the numerous claims brought forth by the right against liberals too.
I see TYT has other videos on the subject, i'll go check those out and see if I've changed my mind.
Lordgaraj 1 year ago
@Daelyas Just watched v=ro9GNfU6K7g. I think you've made your case Daelyas.
Lordgaraj 1 year ago
The rhetoric does need to stop. All the gun speak, in particular. Telling people to grab their guns should not be legal. You are basically inciting people to violence, if that's not a federal crime it damn well should be.
Then there's also gun control laws. Why in the hell does someone need a magazine that can hold 30 bullets. WTF is this the wild west? That's beyond outrageous. What are you planning on taking on the mafia you now need pistols with 30 round clips? Are you The Punisher?
Roeshamboe05 1 year ago
DUH! Morons.
EyeConicRed 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS So you have no point.
Hitler 12 million.
Stalin 17 million.
Thats a 7% percent difference. WOW. Also they where both killers. Not sure why you need to differentiate.
Hitler extreme right wing.
Stalin extreme left wing.
Both murderers.
skategeezer99 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS Yeah his real name was crappy sounding. Not even Joseph it was like the Cyrillic version. Oh, too late, I see Empire has said it below.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
Great examples. Very well thought out.
ShawnD1 1 year ago
@Erverino And where can you find from people like Sean Hannity or whoever saying, "Go hunt down them Liberals!"
Whether or not they're (posters on YouTube) are saying it, their comments are motivated by hate and everyone knows that hate is one of the biggest motivator for murder.
TrollingOnline 1 year ago
@TrollingOnline Are you kidding me? Have you heard some of the things Limbaugh, Beck, and others have said? TYT did several videos on this very subject, and I'm surprised you haven't seen them considering you're replying on this video.
Erverino 1 year ago
Ha ha ha. "There are too many hairdressers in San Francisco". That is the exactly the type of thing Dennis Miller & Bill O'Reilly would discuss. Their making fun of the Chinese president, Chinese food as well as Limbaugh's and even Rosie O'Donnell's ripping of the Chinese language is dangerous. There are so many millions of people eating, shoveling down massive quantities of anti-psychotic drugs in this country it is out of hand. It is so easy to prey on weak minds through ridicule & rhetoric.
eqsmooth 1 year ago
False equivalency = the MSM way of making sure to keep the GOP safe, so the corporations don't get angry with the MSM for telling the truth.
MyTemporaryAccount88 1 year ago
I know that bothering to know what you are talking about can be burdensome, but do you know ANYTHING about this topic? Interviews with Zach Osler or Caitie Parker?
Ever heard of Google?
It has nothing to do with political vitriol, 2nd amendment enthusiasts or Sarah Palin . At best you are blathering before learning the facts on the matter, at worst proselytizing a morally bankrupt attempt to politically capitalize on this tragedy.
Long time subscriber now unsubscribed. Shame on you TYT.
peacefulwarrior2003 1 year ago
Wait, does this mean I'm not supposed to go shoot all of the hairdressers?
DonQuixotedeKaw 1 year ago
Cenk is looking pale. EAT SOMETHING!
LeLimeLine 1 year ago
Of course there is reasoning behind it. Crazy people aren't vegetables in the head, there's a lot of crazy shit going on in there. As the Joker says, madness is like gravity, it just needs a little push.
LeLimeLine 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS yah,I know.As long was we're havin a little history lesson here about names,his first nom de guerre was Soselo,a childhood nickname he used when he wrote letters to childhood friends.Then Koba,a Georgian Robin Hood character from his favorite childhood book,then he changed his name to Koba Stalin.He used Ivanov as well.
twistlarger 1 year ago
If he's sane enough to exchange goods for money, in this case, walmart and the gun shop, and if he's sane enough to look both ways before he crossed the streets to the mall where the shooting take place, his INSANITY DEFENSE is just BS.
Newtttton 1 year ago 4
DeMint started the recession
benchfordeath 1 year ago 2
"bush, the eco killer."
Zeldagigafan90210 1 year ago
@ZyonFyre Bush was the worst president ever.
Zeldagigafan90210 1 year ago 29
@Zeldagigafan90210 reagan, nixon, and hoover were just as bad, or worse.
Andy180084 1 year ago
@Zeldagigafan90210 DeMint started the recession
WrathOfNolla 1 year ago
i don't agree with this at all;
the cases of teenagers commiting suicide as a result or alleged to be as a result of listening to rock/metal music were dissmissed because clearly it was not the singers fault if the teens were insane;
if the law was reversed than we wouldn't even have rock/metal music;
there should be some regulations yes, these people that they say keep repeating to the general public certain radical ideas are indeed doing a lot of harm but... you get the idea
bbphnix 1 year ago
@bbphnix Music and news-media/politicians are not equitable in this case. Musicians don't have the sort of responsibility that politicians and news-presenters do.
XArcane 1 year ago
@XArcane good point
bbphnix 1 year ago
@bbphnix music and video games =/= news reports
ooMONKEYoo 1 year ago
This video hit the nail on the head.
hitheresunshine 1 year ago 34
And I suppose Lee Harvey Oswald was just a crazy guy too...No political motivation there eh!
12235117657598502586 1 year ago
Hey, you reading this comment. Rush Limbaugh wants to abduct your women and kill your firstborn son. Just so you know.
ClumsyNinjaMan 1 year ago
Violent imagry in video games and movies are the biggest problem. We should censor hollywood and "games" were you shoot people for fun and points. Crazy people dont know the difference.
TheCameljockie 1 year ago
@TheCameljockie Thats complete BS even the craziest guy understands that sitting in your living room shooting people in a game is completely different from actually taking a gun and shooting people
youre just using video games as a scapegoat for the crazy people, they are the problem not the other way around
BoredLikeHelI 1 year ago
@TheCameljockie nah, i don't know ne1 who gets affected by video games or movies. People are more likely to be influenced by real people than actors or pixel based characters. Glenn beck or even cenk will affect someone much more.
Andy180084 1 year ago
books by conservatives aren't literature
jflrsvt 1 year ago
I like the title of Golderberg's hypothetical book: "Liberal Hairdresser Fascism" haha.
That's right the money by the way, to say that this was just some nut is crazy
WAAAAAAAAAAAY 1 year ago
I think whats really being lost here is, whether or not the shooting was politically motivated or not does it actually matter?
If your position is that political rhetoric does not reflect real life, is inflammatory, misleading and all around an extremely negative force on society.
Then saying this shooting is the cause of rhetoric, is a self defeating position to take.
Because if americans think the cost of rhetoric is only a few lives.. We'll never do anything real about it.
GhostInTheShell29 1 year ago
@EMPIREofPUPPETS Stalin was raised in the seminary.
twistlarger 1 year ago
16 people are red-headed hairdressers.
DrLeroyGreen 1 year ago
Its called "The wave" if you dont understand look this up.
scuzzi5tube 1 year ago
@ZyonFyre
/facepalm
1: The Bill of Rights is part of the constitution, it's the first 10 amendments.
2: The last amendment was made in 1992. There has not been changes made after 92. There's a couple pending, but they haven't actually been ratified.
3: "your puny Country". Way to go dick wad. There's a reason America is hated around the globe, and you're just helping it along. Ever wonder why so many countries fucking hate America?
bersaba 1 year ago
From the reports this guy didn't even watch the news.
s4stem 1 year ago
dam right gingers should die
dude12nothin 1 year ago
@dude12nothin so should people who spell damn ''dam.''
otishaywater 1 year ago
@otishaywater so should the online grammar and spell checking police assholes.
you are an asshole,,,,you're an asshole..your an asshole....ur a asswhole....u b asshole....ubasho
You fucking otis.
dude12nothin 1 year ago
Huh.. you may very well have an agenda, altho you´re insane . Remember a dude named Hitler ? / p.s. : Ana´s nose is just fine !
Hemulen40 1 year ago
For the sake of argument Lets say IT WAS politically motivated... so fucking what. When the columbine twats killed all those pimply faced kids at that high school the libz and the nerds defended their precious video games and shitty music WHICH was smoldering with violence and all sorts of fucked up imagery (I know cause I play games, hit me up on live my name GT is my YT account name). WHY is it okay to blame moron conservatives on TV, but not violent games?
Pull0utBoy 1 year ago
@Pull0utBoy if you don't think that politicians causing murder is worse than video games causing murder, then you too are insane
KungFuKing1916 1 year ago
@KungFuKing1916 if both did cause murders, yeah that'd be pretty bad, but that isn't the point. People are responsible for their own actions. I'm not going to blame school shootings on violent video games, shitty music, or movies with blood and explosions. And I sure as hell don't think its fair to throw stupid shtihead conservatives under the bus just because you don't agree with them politically. You're a dipshit yourself and totally flipped what I said on its fucking head. You a republican?
Pull0utBoy 1 year ago
this is the best analogy I've heard so far.
bighugejake 1 year ago
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"Tiller the Baby Killer"? We should start calling Bill O'Reily "Bill The Sex Harasser O'Reily".
AnotherPervyWanker 1 year ago
"Tiller the Baby Killer"? We should start calling Bill "Bill The Sex Harasser O'Reily".
AnotherPervyWanker 1 year ago
Notice the double-standard. How come nobody calls him a terrorist? If the shooters name had been AL-Ougher instead of Loughner, things would be very different.
AnotherPervyWanker 1 year ago
@CardinalRaker I'm not saying that no soldiers are insane or that war doesn't cause some people to lose part of their sanity. But to say that all the people who have fought in wars are insane is ridiculous, there are many veterans from many wars that can prove their sanity and have done so as civilians for many years. To say that killing somebody makes you crazy is nonsense. There's a million reasons to kill somebody, none of them are pleasant, but as long as they are logical its not insanity.
LakaiTillYouDie 1 year ago
How can it not be political... He freaking shot a political person at a political event...
If he wasn't politically motivated, he would have shot a bunch a people in a school...
EckoStream 1 year ago
@ZyonFyre ITS CALLED A CONSTITUTIONAL REVISION.
Y WOULD I LEAVE A HOUSE FOR BEING SO COLD WHEN I CAN CHANGE THE TEMPERATURE!
buminater94 1 year ago
I really like this guy. More of him please.
Djain201 1 year ago
@ZyonFyre
HERE HERE!
No-one should make changes, or if you prefer, amendments to the constitution.
EVER! ..... Oh wait a sec.
/sarcasm
You are aware that the constitution can be changed, though difficult, and results in things called AMENDMENTS. It's already happened 27 times. The first 10 were the Bill of Rights. The last (27th ammendment) was in 1992.
Fuck me I'm Australian and I know more about it then you do.
bersaba 1 year ago
Honestly, I think this shooting did have something to do with political manipulation. A mentally unstable person is perfect for the crime. Make it look like he was insane and needed to get his anger out.
ultramaniacrules33 1 year ago
Power of suggestion. Still doesn't take away from the fact that what he did is ok at all. Jared was experiencing a power outtage and submitted to avenge the controlling governing forces and take em out because he needed to get his power back which solves nothing. So he accomplished nothing and is not smart about how he went about it. Whether he cared or not about the consequences is another thing that only he knows.
GameLevelEditor 1 year ago
@ZyonFyre ALSO because we all know that the right wing have abused the first amendement to make crazy gulllible idiots kill innocent, reform - minded people, the 1st amendment should be modified to save lives.
buminater94 1 year ago
@ZyonFyre
ALso, the constitution and socialism have no connection whatsoever. Just because I want to modify the first amendemnet, does not mean that i will nationalize all corporations. ALso, socialism had good intentions, in which it took hold duing corporate corruption. the only bad thing about it is that it is impossible.
buminater94 1 year ago
@ZyonFyre
It looks like you are a quite a "founding fathers" fan. However, you fail to recognize that the constitution sucks because it did not say anything on slavery. Also you proably dint no this by John Adams actually created the sedition act, in which he held the nation together the nation during the quasi war, by jailing dissenters. He was a founding father. Also, lincoln, WHO SAVED THE UNION, suspended habeas corpus multiple times.
buminater94 1 year ago
@ZyonFyre
US law: u cannot scream fire in a theatre.
pwnd
buminater94 1 year ago
freedom of speech must be restricted for violent people
buminater94 1 year ago
This entire discussion is based on the false premise that Loughner ever heard any of the rhetoric of the right. Loughner, who was described by friends as hating TV and the news, as a liberal, and who rants on his OWN VIDEO that the wars are illegal, looks far more liberal than conservative. His friends say he hated Giffords because she didn't understand his question in a previous meeting. TYT has ZERO credibility on this issue and most others. They should be shunned.
FactChecking101 1 year ago
TYT has participated in the unfounded attacks on the right claiming there is some connection between Loughner and the right. All evidence points either to Loughner being political neutral or left leaning. Today a liberal that was shot by Loughner was arrested for threatening a Tea Partier's life. Palin is being overwhelmed with death threats from liberals. We can clearly see how dangerous the left is and TYT will have blood on their hands if anyone is hurt from thier false claims.
FactChecking101 1 year ago
Ana has a big ugly nose
BorgKing001 1 year ago
@BorgKing001 I was too busy looking at her sweet jugs to notice
Ricnasty77 1 year ago
@Ricnasty77 i guess its a pet peeve of mine, rather have little tits than a big ugly nose
BorgKing001 1 year ago
I agree with this guy, its time for a olive branch. TYT should lead the charge by apoligizing for any comments that might of been over the top about Bush and Cheney. The first steps the hardest, but im sure even Bill-o might be moved to apoligize himself following.....
Fitzcard 1 year ago
Those damn redheaded people!
newdarnaccount 1 year ago
hold on a second. TYT is spreading misinformation for leftists. Where does it say Loughner was driven by a political ideology I want to see this. And this is an ironic and funny example of liberalism biting the liberals in the ass. Let me lol
HilarityBribo 1 year ago
very well put
AGEofURANUS 1 year ago
Sorry, what?....I was too busy being mesmerized by Anna's pink bra strap.
HentaiGaiJin 1 year ago
ok, so basically, fuck the media. the only ones who can publicly criticize and denounce the goons on the right seem to be people in the media. what about regular ass people?? what the fuck should we do to let these fuckers know we don't agree start an anti-tea party shit? and protest and march like they do?? na. just blog it out. put it on facebook. I'm fuckin pissed
4NrAGS 1 year ago
@4NrAGS Medias are fuckin pansies.
xxturboweixx 1 year ago
This guy was not on the political spectrum, he was against all of the current government. If his local rep was a republican he would have tried killed them. He wasn't anti dem or anti republican. He was anti the current government because the monitary system of the united states.
It seems that he believed that current gov was illegitimatebecause the dollar was no longer back by precious medal.
Yes this political, but not lib/con political. It was on a whole other level, basically anarchist.
WesSideCali 1 year ago
Someone who kills people over political reasons = terrorist = jared loughner
rencrow 1 year ago
@TigerIPanzer Just try it, fascist scum. We'll fuck you over like last time. Remember Dresden?
TheFunkadelicFan 1 year ago
... but hairdressers ARE EVIL!!!
ThePassiveFist 1 year ago
The Constitution gives Congress the power "[t]o regulate commerce..among the several states," & to "make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution" this power to regulate commerce. Even ultraconservative Justice Antonin Scalia agrees that these powers give Congress broad authority to regulate "economic activity" such as hiring & firing. Which explains why the Supreme Court unanimously overruled Hammer v. Daggenhardt in a 1941 decision called United States v. Darby.
bungerman1000 1 year ago
I have a sudden urge to injure red-headed people.
Zeo170 1 year ago
nothing is more entertaining than reading a bunch of liberal retards leave comments, they act like they actually have an IQ! Keep watching the young tards you commie fucks, do future generations a favor and kill yourselves.
TheUnitedStatists 1 year ago
@TheUnitedStatists Troller.....
skategeezer99 1 year ago
only in a america can u get away with encouraging ppl to jump off a building and then not get any blame when the person does. metaphorically speaking
fantasticalNINJA 1 year ago
DAMN YOU HAIR DRESSERS!!
darkzq 1 year ago 18
@darkzq and throw in those crazy barbers too, mine once tried to shave my eyebrows without my consent!
jujumen 1 year ago
ps: His name is Richard (RJ) Eskow (search that on wiki)
yes4me 1 year ago
No one can read minds, and we are responsible for our own actions, period.
BorgKing001 1 year ago
Wait,... they were shooting UNITARIANS in Tennessee?
GRAB YOUR GUNS! We need to arm up and defend ourselves against the CONSERVATIVES, they're trying to KILL us!
cosmo706 1 year ago
Of course it was political, he fixated on a political figure. His video that was just released referenced his concerns with political issues.
Yolandra101 1 year ago
@Yolandra101
He might have been crazy, but he wasn't stupid.
jx14aby 1 year ago
I don't know what the heck these last videos are about?
affiliate30 1 year ago
Cenk got in a time-machine.. lol
TurkishRapTube 1 year ago
Lol Cenk got old.
DemonZonkey 1 year ago
Tyt please bring this guy back whenever Cenk is gone!!!
EvilFatCat 1 year ago
The examples are interesting, but they don't really apply. You can't draw parallels between a political group and hairdressers, simply because hairdressers aren't inherently influential people
Hairdressers are killed, then the whisperer's undoubtedly to blame. If political figures are killed, then doubt will exist. Honestly, I don't think we need hypotheticals, because reality is far more clear, in my opinion. Political propagandists shot that woman in the head, not just "some crazy dude."
DemonicCollusion 1 year ago
the guy was stalking the congresswoman since 2007... and in all of his writing he had NO clear knowledge of the current debates... he never mentioned healthcare... he was an crazy person talking about crazy things...
the guy wasn't conservative or liberal just a nut
GodAthie 1 year ago
Where the hell is Cenk??
CuteMcBeauty 1 year ago
Political party names are necessarily what impression a party wants to convey. The 'Imperial Rule Assistance Association' of WW2 Japan is a good example, its name suggests to the people its the right hand of the emperor doing his will which gave it legitimacy at the time. In practice under the IRAA the Emperor had slightly less power than before. The reality was rightwing Ultra-nationalist militarists captured Japan long ago and the Emperor was merely a popular front-man to please the plebs.
CmdrTobs 1 year ago
Societal insanity originates from those who control and strongly influence society, i.e. the American government. This is political, in the sense that it has nothing to do with either 'party', it has to do with the office, and not the official.
stevesanterre 1 year ago
In Canada, we value our government, but they don't dominate our daily conversations, unless they do something stupid.
terwigel 1 year ago
I think crazy people become crazy because of their upbringing and environment mostly- obviously there can be a predisposition but Im pretty sure we just like to blame it to genetics instead of facing the fact our society is the breeding ground of violent and depraved individuals.
Abcflc 1 year ago 4
Why stop at blaming political speech. Why not blame the parents, brothers, sisters and friends too because they all influenced him in some way. See how assinine their logic is.
mrchiefofsinners 1 year ago
LibThink:
Support my views or I will label you as violent and KILL YOU!
Remember BusHitler & BLOOD for OIL? yea neither does the press & the DEMs
ChimpBama 1 year ago
GINGERS DO HAVE SOULS!!!!!!!!
messenger360 1 year ago
@messenger360 dont kid urself, every1 knows the truth
matt517472 1 year ago
@matt517472 Im just joking cus the guy was talking about redheads.
messenger360 1 year ago
@messenger360 lol ik i was too
matt517472 1 year ago
@grlockett We can say anything we want about our government, and usually do. Just check out This hour has 22 minutes and royal canadian air farce. Politicians even invite critical comments.
terwigel 1 year ago
Who gives a shit i so hope the world ends next year, it'll solve everyone's fucking problems.
kpdrrn32 1 year ago
people that say this is not political are drones, or they are publishing or writing for someone who have a vested interest in making this look NOT political, I am sure NEWSCORP could be held liable in some of these cases...inciting to riot is NOT covered by the first amendment, and one can make a legal argument that some of these cases are inciting to riot
phoboskitty 1 year ago
In canada, we have a law that says you can't say hateful things about another person or group. Years ago, a teacher was convicted for saying that Jews were lying, and the haulocaust was a lie. Glenn Beck and the rest of Fox News wouldn't get away with this crap in Canada.
terwigel 1 year ago 2
@terwigel we in America used to have something like that, it was called the Sedition Act and it was back in the 19th century. Too bad it was repealed.
TheHolyRoses 1 year ago
@terwigel Problem with that logic is, what if the hateful things you say is about your government. Can they lock you up? Always be careful about making laws restricting free speech, it can bite you in the ass later. Also, be mindful of those wanting to limit free speech
grlockett 1 year ago
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Let's don't tell anyone he is a liberal Democrat. That if nothing else aid his obvious insanity by showing just how confused he is. Neither left or right are responsible. This sick little jerk is a murderer and bears the responsibility. Enough lame spin already, from both sides!!!!
sparrow053 1 year ago
Let's don't tell anyone he is a liberal Democrat. That if nothing else aid his obvious insanity by showing just how confused he is. Neither left or right are responsible. This sick little jerk is a murderer and bears the responsibility. Enough lame spin already from both sides!!!!
sparrow053 1 year ago
Wow can you stupid fucking Americans stop talking about Nazis and Fucking Socialism? You were stupid enough to begin with, stop listening to glenn beck, if you get any dumber you're going to forget to breathe..
On second thought, keep listening to glenn beck.
idontfkinknow1234 1 year ago
@idontfkinknow1234 I'm an American and I agree with you 100%. These ignorant fools spouting off about ideologies they know absolutely nothing about (except for what Glenn Beck has told them, which is all BS) has got to stop, it's just embarrassing. All you idiots trying to sound smart by saying things like "Stalin was a liberal and he killed more people than Hitler did, so therefore liberals suck" really need to take a second to listen to yourselves -- you sound like an idiot.
dccph 1 year ago
DEATH TO THE HAIR DRESSERS!!!!
idontfkinknow1234 1 year ago
Aren't all republicans disturbed?
bernzeppi 1 year ago
If Jared Loughner's name had been Jared Muhammad, the right would be screaming about why Obama wasn't was calling it a terrorist attack.
gj804 1 year ago 23
@gj804 your right, I mean there is no such thing as a muslim terrorist after all LOL
BorgKing001 1 year ago
@gj804 you are very right. Correct!
hamrite 1 year ago
@gj804 Pretty good point. It had to be a foreigner to warrant the claim. But a born American, never a terrorist, right? What makes us any different despite our birthplace & creed?
There is no "evil faction". Everyone has their (disgusting) reason to violate others.
Efferts 1 year ago
eutimes. net/2011/01/top-us-federal-judge-assassinated-after-threat-to-obama-agenda/ Why doesn't American media report on things like this?
HorrorAngel666 1 year ago
liberal hair-dresser fascists...
brain broke. that overloaded me.
this guy is funny
Sutorenja 1 year ago
Would someone please explain to conservatives that, on guns, they are VERY liberal and extremist left wing to the max on this?
SeriousPsyche 1 year ago
There's a special place reserved in hell for bill o'reiley
boob72 1 year ago
politics, religion, race
all these things are pulling us apart
i don't get it
MikaelDryden 1 year ago
@Kooshkoff It's called downfall. And I saw it. It reminded me of the Clintons, Carter, Obama. Same ideology, same lack of respect for human life as the Nazis.
HomleandSecurity 1 year ago
i like the hairdresser analogy
spencerchef 1 year ago
Isn't it interesting who get labeled crazy and who doesn't in America?
GabriellaEgypt 1 year ago
the killer had the communist manifesto on his list of favorite books.... he also had mein kampf.... he was insane... you left liberals are just disgusting trying to use this to your political advantage
ChadWardenTV 1 year ago
@ChadWardenTV thats right, believe what Faux tells you, the evil liberals are destroying america and should be killed
sprjcube 1 year ago
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@ChadWardenTV thats right, believe what Faux tells you, the evil liberals are destroying america and should be killed
sprjcube 1 year ago
@ChadWardenTV How many times do you idiots have to be told this, "Mein Kampf" is in no way a liberal book! Please cite examples of how Hitler's philosophy is left wing?! The facist hated the communist, so how can their political beliefs be synonymous?
Castropher 1 year ago
i think we ran ben off.. :( that makes me feel guilty he never even did anything wrong
ocean3684 1 year ago
@ocean3684 he wasn't assertive enough to compete with Cenk, he wasn't bad though...
sprjcube 1 year ago
What the fuck? Conservatives ALWAYS complain about murderers pleading "insanity," and now they turn around and use it when they want to protect their OWN fucking asses. Republicans make me sick. Fuckin' hypocrites.
kurd55 1 year ago 3
Party affiliation did not matter. Maybe it was political, but not anti-Democratic party. This guy was anti-government, and this was his Congressperson. If Giffords had been a Republican, the end result would have been the same. Don't make this a left-right paradigm issue, it's not.
mcamelyne 1 year ago
That is an absurd example. These people are exploiting a tragedy to capitalize politically - shame on them. Loughner was clearly a liberal. If anyone is at fault it is the Left.
jpav0923 1 year ago
@jpav0923,
Yep, no blame-laying in your statement at all.
OxTheWriter 1 year ago
@jpav0923 And yet the tea party is using this tragedy literally to put up a fundraiser. You want to talk about capitalizing on tragedy...
asdfbobbyasdf 1 year ago
@asdfbobbyasdf @asdfbobbyasdf Who is fundraising off this tragedy?
Bernie Sanders is fundraising off this. There are two links I am trying to post, but this site won't let me. Sanders is sending mailers telling people to give him money because of the Tucson shooting. He makes me sick. The Left will capitalize on any tragey to advance their agenda.
nationalreview (dot) com/corner/256908/bernie-sanders-uses-tucson-fundraising-pitch-daniel-foster
jpav0923 1 year ago
@jpav0923 so? The wingnuts had used the name "911" to advance their agendas for years. Does that count as "fundraising off this tragedy"???
xxturboweixx 1 year ago
@jpav0923 Watch the video again and then please explain to me why do you think the man is wrong. Are you saying that the right wing is not saying all those things (then watch some Cenk´s video where he puts quite a few examples)?
Also why was he clearly a liberal? Among other things, he did shoot democrats... that seems like a strange liberal to me.
MarvelousGeorge 1 year ago
@MarvelousGeorge The fact that Giffords is a Democrat is completely irrelevent. The guy was a psychopath - he would have shot her if she were a Republican. His favorite book was the Communist Manifesto. He was always rambling on about two "illegal wars". How many Tea Party types read the Communist Manifesto and complain about "illegal wars". Obviously the guy was a liberal.
The Right has never said anything violent. BHO on the other hand pals around with terrorists (Bill Ayers).
jpav0923 1 year ago
@jpav0923 Yes because liberals are communists. Forget that myself. Mind you I find the Communist Manifesto interesting, but we all know it can never work in practice.
They just gave three examples of right-wingers who say violent things. Sure the left wing does sometimes, but we all know who does it more. I'm not even entirely convinced this guy was politically motivated, though if he demonstrably possessed right-wing reading material (which I haven't heard enough to know if he was) why not?
JustAnimeReviews 1 year ago
@JustAnimeReviews Has anyone simply asked him?
Efferts 1 year ago
@jpav0923 I am certain that Hitler has read some of Marx's work. Does that make him a communist. NO. Avoiding reality by screening the evidence with lame excuses is sad. I think you ought to stand behind your ideas, but try to do it WITHOUT HATE. By the way, democrats dont like the idea of having their guns taken away, and I never heard any thing about any administration going into gun control.
hamrite 1 year ago
RJ nails it. Sweet, short and simple as usual. Good job!
banonKING 1 year ago
I agree with what you guys are saying but not the way in which it was worded. They kinda made it sound as though the sort of things that have happened to liberals and democrats CAN'T happen to the other "side" by the same means.
inademv 1 year ago
If the assassin is indeed deranged, does that not prove that he is a Republican, and that hence the event was political?
forgetititititit 1 year ago
I find it funny how some want to say was he just mentally unstable. There is no such thing as just mentally unstable. Every person in the world is shape by day to day if it is good or bad. if u r unstable it is the same. if you are insane u do not stop taking in info and processing it how ever your insane mind tells you. So no one is just insane they are insane and unstable because their day to day feeds that insanity.
TheTaptaptappy 1 year ago
Hey Jared from Subway never hurt nobody! Have this man EXECUTED!!!!!!
ferretace 1 year ago
funny, i started out on TYT's side but the more i research this the more i see Loughner had little to no political affiliation or motivation. The right wing's violent rhetoric had as much of an effect on him as gangster rap had on that guy who shot a cop a while ago. although if you were to argue that its fucked up that i even have to compare right wing political rhetoric to gangster rap, then i would agree with you 100%
MjXllcommando 1 year ago
Well said.
EmberFaust 1 year ago
Why don't these morons hold off on their political jugdements until investigators ask Loughner why he did it?
2PaperTigers 1 year ago
@2PaperTigers Yes, asking the "crazy guy" why he did it is obviously the most reliable way of getting to the truth!
dedamol 1 year ago
@2PaperTigers
I would agree, but this is America. Americans will forget his name in a week.
blkswimmer 1 year ago
I wish Jared Lee Loughner was Muslim....
At least he would have blown himself up with everyone else,
and we wouldn't have to deal with his trial and his "rights", and his "insanity" and his "alleged" crime....
wakygee 1 year ago
Like if you thought of that music video by MIA with the gingers when he started talking about redheads
dontstealthisusernam 1 year ago
THIRTY HAIRDRESSERS WHO ARE DESTROYING AMERICA.
jfrsnjhnsn 1 year ago 3
In B4 copper cab rages about this video.
dragonswordcannon 1 year ago
TYT. WE REALLY LIKE THIS NEW GUY WITH THE WHITE HAIR.
uninoculated 1 year ago 130
@uninoculated He's not new. He's been around for such a long time.
SgtSprayin 1 year ago