1. evolution is best TRAITED organism surviving, not chance. NOT ACCIDENT. 2. This does not disprove God. Where did matter and energy come from to make everything?
The philosophy of the blind pitiless universe gets a free pass, because the believers in the blind pitiless universe think they'll manage to sneak in some (or a lot) of "I can do whatever I want to do without anything or anyone having the right to tell me that I shouldn't be doing whatever I want to do" time. You're trading out your hope for eternity, for some quick fun now, and it's a miserable choice to make. Please reconsider. That's MY emotional argument - that you'll get your hope back!
@tubewatch59 The point potholer54 was trying to make is not that he believes in a meaningless blind and pitiless universe or endorses belief in one, but that he was making a fool out of creationists with this tricky video. I assure you all the atheists I know do not believe in bleak and amoral realities or taking short term gain over long term happiness. No, we too find beauty and peace and meaning in a universe that we are sure is without a god. Your argument was all strawman.
It would seem that the materialistic worldview, while allowing that subjective experiences of beauty and meaningfulness may well occur (and do occur) to individuals, nevertheless teaches that such experiences are ultimately, without objective meaning outsuide of the individiuals experience. It is a bleak worldview, but sweetened from time to time for those individuals able to enjoy themselves. For those unable to escape into enjoyments, the bleakness becomes their reality.
"Magic" is technology we can't yet comprehend. When God created the universe and life, He was using design knowledge & technology beyond our comprehension, to create technology (life) we're barely starting to comprehend. If you want to write it off as magic, using that as an excuse to ignore the possibility of ID, that's your choice. But until you can explain how it actually came about naturally (nobody can explain that at this time) it's premature to assume ID can be disregarded
The argument comes down to: If God allows mean things to happen, then I won't believe in God.
The philosophy of the blind pitiless universe promises horrors with no hope of a restoration of justice later, so why is this philosophy of the indifferent universe getting a free pass?
This kind of emotional "argument against meanness" would be a bit more effective, if the bible actually claimed that God was only ever "nice and sweet". But the bible doesn't support that notion about God at all.
God's bad, because He doesn't arrange life according to our preferences? That's like saying "sports are evil", because there can only be some winners, and many losers!
We're often lectured (by atheists) on the point that humans supposedly hold no special place in the universe, and that we theists ought to have more humility.
But then atheists cry foul, claiming God doesn't exist, because He's not a "sugar daddy" with life free from all hardships?
@tubewatch59 its amazing how you christians can take a 8 word sentence out of context , all i implied is that the god of the old testament was a complete jackass , yet somehow you manage to dredge up a paragraph of rhetoric about athiests this and athiests that . and whats this about not molding life to my preferences im not talking about random bits of the landscape im talking about actions that were taken by this character of fiction killing off everything with rain=ass
You call God a jackass, because you don't believe He exists. If you thought He was real, you'd think twice. Are you saying that there can be no justification for God destroying the world (that He made) with a flood? I put it to you that your opinion will turn out to be wrong.
Why (according to the Bible) did God flood the world? Because humans had become totally evil and violent. Kind of like the Mexican drug gangs are now. Do they deserve to live? No they don't.
"Jesus died for the MExican Drug Gang's sins. ALL they have to do is accept Jesus and they live eternally."
Correct. But firstly, they do need to accept that offer. Secondly, even if and when they do accept that offer, they still need to be executed (if they are murderers etc.) or go to jail for a long time (for non capital punishment kinds of crimes). Human justice isn't to be neglected whenever someone makes a profession of faith towards God. That's between them and God.
@tubewatch59 if i thought he was real id still hate his ass , afterall why make us if he knows what we will do long before we ever did it. or are you saying that lord allmighty is incapable of foresight , wouldent it be best if he didnt make the rapists, thieves and killers just to burn in a eternal fire pit let alone to test us even though he knows how we will respond before we ever do , im not saying that there is or isnt a god but whos to say hes your god or just for that matter
It sounds like you resent being created as a free agent. I can almost sympathize, but nevertheless, I think that outlines the very high value God places of true freedom doesn't it. God doesn't want to make entities that are programmed not to fail. We all have true freedom AND true responsibility. We all need to make VERY wise choices because their are pretty serious implications down the road. We have the potential for great success or terrible failure.
@tubewatch59 what im saying is that if god has the power of premonition/cosmic foresight , the knowledge of what will be , then he knows what we will do before we ever do it so by that the very notion of free will is tossed out of the window, does a character in a book truly have free will if the author purposely chooses what they will do , and if you read a book backwards will it seem like the character had any bit of choice .
What if God is able to know the story's ending without actually writing it? I'm speculating of course, but due to quantization, we actually have a large but finite set of states for all matter, energy & coordinates in time/space, so that the whole set of possible outcomes (even with genuine free will) is a (knowable by God) finite set. So even with genuine free will, the set of all possible outcomes could be known (by God) in advance, with no effect on any decision making.
The point is that we have unrestricted free will, but within a huge nut finite set of choices. Of course, as far as we're concerned the number of free will choices are well beyond any possible restrictions that we could sense, although one could always argue (and rightfully so) that a very wealthy person with few commitments would have more freedom than some others less fortunate, although such people may also be more constrained in other modes of decision making.
Say you had created some creatures with genuine free will that could make a total of 10 decisions each. You may not know what decisions they would be. On the other hand, you'd be able to calculate ahead of time what all the possible outcomes would be.
But we're trying to understand things likely beyond us. Still, it never hurt to attempt doing that, right? But we need to remember that ants can't comprehend general relativity. (I can't comprehend general relativity!)
@tubewatch59 when did i speak of this bidding nonsense i simply said he was a prick , i can tell you that you are a prick without asking you to do a thing . that being said what in the hell is a prayer then? you are requesting? maybe you should take your own advice and think for a minute.
If you're of the opinion that God is fictional etc. you won't be praying to Hm anytime soon. And if we are acting in evil ways intentionally (even those who do believe in God) He won't listen to those prayers either! I'm a Christian, but if I have just done something evil (or even if I'm planning to) then God isn't going to be listening to any of my prayers, not until I ask for forgiveness and make restitution to whoever it was I wronged. THEN I can start praying.
@tubewatch59 then why dont you pray real hard ask him to talk to me id love to have a debate hell you can even chime in as the debate moderator , we each get one prop and 30 minutes to settle our points , do it pray ask this magic man to have a chat with me , something as innocuous as a conversation cant be a big bad sin to request, so go ahead set us up, or do you consider yourself a christian in name only surely you believe you can pray for that right? ill be waiting
You want a 30 minute debate with God, with me as the moderator?!
Sorry, I can't arrange something like that. It's kind of already booked in for judgement day (that's if you haven't become a Christian in the meantime) but as for now? I'd doubt it. Of course God can do whatever He wants to do (but I'd be careful what you wished for).
@tubewatch59 my my do you ever have a opinion of yourself thinking you have enough persuasive power to convert someone to christianity over the internet on a anti creationist videos comment section , well let it be heard if there is a god/gods i would love to talk to him/them , and if its the christian god id be doubly eager to chat , and if anyone is curious as to my actual beliefs , id say im a true agnostic i think its arrogant to argue in absolutes >>>>>
@killgore333333 Or to believe that we are the only planet with life in the universe who has claims as to what there is or isnt . there are infinite possibilities that we can never explore because of time and the sheer expanse of the universe instead of focusing on religion or what is or isnt i think we should all just simmer the hell down and live the life that we want to live and do what we think is right treat others the way wed like to be treated etc
"we should all just simmer the hell down and live the life that we want to live and do what we think is right treat others the way wed like to be treated etc"
"my my do you ever have a opinion of yourself thinking you have enough persuasive power to convert someone to christianity"
Hope abounds, but I never thought you'd be converting right now. I said "(that's if you haven't become a Christian in the meantime)", meaning that if you did become a Christian some time in the future, then you wouldn't be going to judgement day as a participant. Only you can decide. All I can do is make information available for your consideration.
But apart from that (misconceived) argument of Dr. Miller's, the point being made here is a moral point (along the lines of Sam Harris). That since God allows mean things to happen, then mean machines couldn't have been intelligently designed.
Since Biblical creationists pount out that the Bible is upfront about God having cursed the earth, causing there to be much suffering, the emotional argument fails to deliver scientifically, and also fails to show that the Bible is being inconsistent.
The points made in the video don't argue on a scientific level, but on an emotional level. There's little scientific argumentation able to tryu and refute the notion that these molecular machines weren't designed intellignetly. Miller's attempts merely misrepresent the irreducible complexity argument. The IC claim doesn't say parts of these machines can't function in other ways, but says that the CHARACTERISTIC FUNCTION of the molecular machine won't work without all of the parts in place.
Thanks for video, I didn't know anything about the purpose of bacterial flagellum (at least in human suffering) so to me it seems like another disgusting misrepresentation of science by creationists.
Why the fuck you bring RELIGION in a science video? Intelligent designer doesn't mean that ID is god - it is highly unlikely that it is god of some sort. But one thing - life on earth originated from bacteria - FROM DNA!!! - DNA is so complex - how could mere atoms of Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen and Phosphorus form molecules and CONTAIN INFORMATION ?? - for cell building, ORGAN building - what each organ is for and coordination between each other - COMPLEX!!!! - EXPLAIN PLEASE!
@Spandex08 So you made some concrete assertions-- How do you know it's highly unlikely that ID doesn't come from a god? And wouldn't a being/entity that could create the universe be essentially a god or godlike? Regarding DNA---there are many examples of non-life processes and materials that are complex that arise from processes that we know about and can see. And why assume because you don't know how the process begins that a god did it? Please explain!
@azbacnikorange DNA and life is so complex that even Darwin (if he knew about cells as much as we do today) would question his theory. Evolution is correct to some extent - but - humans ultimate ancestor to be a bacteria living in some pond is unbelievable. Yes there are complex processes - but none of them contain "information". the big bang - or one "creature" being creating universe - anything here is just speculation, as there could be variations and possibilities.
Christians do not worry about the "likes" and "dislikes" about this video, its not a popularity contest. We know its man´s natural tendency to turn away from God, lets be loving when we defend the gospel and the truths contained in the scripture. Soon everyone will recognize God
@yacsich and off course only the judeo-christian god is the right one, do you realise that you are a christian by a accident of birth, have you ever ask yourself why god would reveal himself geographicly ?? do you realise that make no sence at all? i was once a christian but realise what the bible is, hope you get yourself free of this one day
@lapmarty why is God only revealed to some is a good question to which ther is an answer: I will have mercy on whom I have mercy (Rom 9:15), God has reasons beyond our comprehension. I hope you reexamine your faith, I´m sure if you research with an open heart you will find that the bible is an extraordinary book, supported by evidence within itself (prophecies fulfilled, knowledge unknown at the time) and outside evidence from archeology and non-christian scripts. I´ll pray for you.
@yacsich off course you find a answer in the bible, do you know bible history,?? do you know how human it is, ?? do you even understand that this book his barbarian,? do you cherry pick only the good like most christian, or do you beleive to be the words of god? cause clearly, your god dont give a crap about people, maybe jesus did sometime, but jesus father is clearly a idiot that accept slavery, order murder, ect,, do you understand the mecanic behind your moral value not from bible my friend
@yacsich i was brought up in a christian home and was indoctrinate, then i travel saw the world, i saw the people that wrote your bible, in afghanistan people still live like 2000 years ago, same people, same habit, same no science, no education, women are nothing, you should go see them, it would open your eyes, to the level of knowledge the people who wrotte this book had about the world, indoctrination is dangerous, faith is its hard to accept but it is the truth, you dont have gods truth,
@yacsich yes when is good you claim him but when 9 millions children die every years of stupid natural catastrophy(wich he creates in his divine plan in the first place) you say he is mysterious, the whole thing is so obviously man-made it is embarassing to actually see people in 2012 beleiving this, beleiving that incantation have any effect, like the primitive tribes in africa, the christian reunited in church, the only difference is they got expensive clothes watches, and jellewry
@lapmarty I thought you wanted to engage in an open mind debate...my mistake, I can see there is a lot of agresiveness and prejudice in your speech. God is indeed a mystery in some way but most of the suffering on earth is the result of mankind denying the rule of God, and living as there is no God or living according to their own selfish desire. Apparently you think you know everything about God and Christianity so there is no more use for me to explain anything. Take care
@yacsich your wrong most of the problem are cause by relligion, when people ssay they know how other should live their life, when people KNOWS thing without evidence,
when peope think they had a revelation, and they had to spread it to OTHER, im sorry im not the one close minded here FAITH is a discussion killer, after all, when you live your life according to a book that accept slavery,tell you to kill people that work on sunday, and other stupid barbarian old shit, there isnt much one can say
@lapmarty calm down, I´ve never mentioned religion, Jesus most severe with the religious people of his time, maybe the problem it is religion, the solution is just turning to God, religion usually centers on what you can do to be saved, God´s response is: nothing, there is no way we can be saved other than by His mercy. I do live by faith, based on my intelligence as well. You also live by faith, you can´t prove that God doesn´t exist and that is your faith, I respect it. Best regards
@yacsich first, i dont live by faith, this is logicly flawed to say -you cant proove god dont exist so it is your faith, YOU DONT PROOF A NEGATIVE, is somoene not beleiving in santa claus called any name?? answer no, cause you dont define yourself by what you dont beleive in, this is one good exemple of indoctrination,
secondly,
-there is no way we can be saved other than by His mercy, what are you talking about physical death?
@lapmarty You may be right, I should have said you can´t prove that evrything was made randomly and still believe it. And I´m talking about afterlife.
Sorry typing error .. Man and woman pulled the plug out. Psalms 119 vs 90 the earth has been solidly fixed. A loving father handicraft a comfortable house for his family only to burn it down.? Ps115vs16 that would be unthinkable ! Ps 103vs13 john 4vs8
Jeremiah 10vs23 "it does not belong to man to direct his own step". Or govern another man. The creator ,the designer of us ,wants us to get the best out of life. The first an an woman pulled the plug out and life on our own without Gods rulership has produced misery for many. Jesus came to buy back what Adam lost ,perfect life in a paradise earth. Soon Gods original purpose will be on earth as it is in heaven .matthew 6vs9 John 3vs16 everlasting life restored on earth .
@lesleyjaneuk matthew 19:21 how come you dont follow that one, how come no christian follow that one, or answer my question, hypocrite??? i think you are,
you should sell evrethiing you have, your car, your computer, your house, and go with the poor,
strange hein, if i was indoctrinate in the christian faith, and really beleive the bible is the words of god, (wich is absurd!) i guess i would be scare to go to hell, and obey the word of my god, but you probably give a metaphor meaning,haha
@lesleyjaneuk matthew 19:21 how come you dont follow that one, how come no christian follow that one, or answer my question, hypocrite??? i think you are,
you should sell evrethiing you have, your car, your computer, your house, and go with the poor,
strange hein, if i was indoctrinate in the christian faith, and really beleive the bible is the words of god, (wich is absurd!) i guess i would be scare to go to hell, and obey the word of my god, but you probably give a metaphor meaning,haha
@lesleyjaneuk matthew 19:21 how come you dont follow that one, how come no christian follow that one, or answer my question, hypocrite??? i think you are,
you should sell evrethiing you have, your car, your computer, your house, and go with the poor,
strange hein, if i was indoctrinate in the christian faith, and really beleive the bible is the words of god, (wich is absurd!) i guess i would be scare to go to hell, and obey the word of my god, but you probably give a metaphor meaning,haha
@lesleyjaneuk a other thing, we know there was know adam, it is just a mythe of creation, every culture as one, if you beleive in this your a idiot, science as proove it wrong, it also able you to use a computer (yes quantum mecanic,physic, chemistry as allowed to build it so you morons use it to state that the world is 6000 years old wich is really ironic in itself!! really satisfying to watch i must say!!) science is good for you to benefit , but not when it disturb your wishful thinking pity
@lesleyjaneuk yes perfect life, but he ate a apple, because of the instinct that was put in him by god in the first place, so god was really condemning to be unhappy for eternity because of unsatisfied instinc, but then this resonate trought the ages, so every human has to pay, it get better, god, who made this mess, decided to send his son, to be killed in a barbarian region as a human sacrifice to himself, so it magicly buy back the debt of those two 4000 years before, really beautiful story!!
@lesleyjaneuk yes but religious pretention tryn to convert people, because you got the only real god revelation, do you realise how insane that is, ??there hasnt been a revelation, if there was one, it would be a stupid capricious, god, that choose to doomed people in advance by having them born in the wrong faith,
youd be saying the exact same thing about islam if youd be borned in saudi arabia, why is nobody religious ever do the exersise, and ask themself that?? nor answer my point? lol
@lesleyjaneuk Jeremiah 10vs23 "it does not belong to man to direct his own step". Or govern another man, what kind of stupidity is that, sure i dont direct my life, ill just wait and see what happend, if the human race is for one,had not follow the bible guideline, we would be 1000 years ahead, the hurch as oppose all major scientific breaktrought to date,heliocentrism, vaccination, evolution, lately stem cell research, still againts condom use cost millions life,and so on, stupid organisation
Great job at least you know God exist but you missed one part. When the world was created everything was made good so the loving God held up his in. Adam and eve sin and they were able to see evil and thats when everything went off wack. But good job explaining the first part not try to have a relationship with the Lord so you can see all us real christians see :)
@jamesbamaboi go read mattew 19:21 and explain me how come you got a freaking computer still?? isnt it clearly stated by jesus to sell all you have and go help the poor, ?? i guess like any religion, people just take in what their moral value (that come from secular discussion, slave abolition is one exemple, women voting is a other,) and pin point that on the bible, its really funny to watch that you got the nerv to come knock on my door with your legend, and ask to join in !
@lapmarty i guess you didnt read these verse so check this out Matthew 22But when the young man heard this, he went away sad, for he had many possession.Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is very hard for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. 24 I’ll say it again it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!”25 The disciples were astounded. “Then who in the world can be saved?” they asked.
@lapmarty26 Jesus looked at them intently and said, “Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But with God everything is possible.” so please keep reading before and after the verse so you can understand it :)
@jamesbamaboi are you justifying the fact that you dont wanna sell your house and evrething, by this?? it still clearly say to get rid of your posession,l there is no interpretation of this, see this is exactly my point people put their taught into the book, so what is the point of the book if the word of god is just something that change with time, it obviously does so, do you killed people that work on sunday??
@lapmarty Jesus looked at them intently and said, “Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But with God everything is possible.” Matthew 26 I guess you didnt see that verse or understand what Jesus was saying. The man Jesus was talking to was rich and value his possession more than God, so what Jesus told him to give up all his possession so he want put them in front of God. And where does it say kill people that work on sunday?
But not everyone wants to make the earth a lovely secure place. Which is sad. Daniel 2vs44 it speaks of the world powers that have been and that are remaining. They are described as fragile like iron and clay together. This earth is being ruined and as revelation 11vs18 says God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth. If you had bad tenants in your home you would give them warnings . But you wouldn't let them destroy your home would you? So God want let this earth be destroyed
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The earth will not be over populated . Genesis 1vs28. Go and fill the earth. Have children . Take care of the animals . Be caretakers of the earth. Most women wouldn't want children forever ,but just like a cup of tea you don't over fill the cup. Plus remember this earth is only a spec compared to the universe . So what has the creator got in store ? Evo s will never know.
@lesleyjaneuk "this earth is only a spec compared to the universe . So what has the creator got in store ?" maybe he will reward each of his believer a planet to rule? .....that sounds like Scientology to me.
War,famine,broken families, women kidnapped into prostitution. Greedy financial system causing horrendous stress. Men are lovers of themselves 2timothy 3vs1-5. Signs of the last days Critical hard to deal with... Having no natural affection . The creator will soon remove 1john 5vs19 the ruler of this world and then bring the paradise on earth
@lesleyjaneuk As Niall Ferguson has explained in his series, the Ascent of Money, we've have severe crises before and all those other things you've listed are nothing new to human history. If there's ever going to be paradise on Earth, it's up to us to make it.
Such a statement is highly *absurd* that order and rectitude should come about *without* a Creator, and disorder and impropriety of design and *fate* should suppose a Creator. He is an *ignoramus* who says this, because anything produced *without* design will ***never*** be exact and proportioned, while disorder and contrariness cannot co-exist with orderly design. Allah is far above what the *deluded and duped ignorant atheists* say.
If abiogenesis spontaneous creation *without* specific "design" can be admitted under such conditions of regularity, then purposeful generation and definitely balanced creation can be the result of *error* ad perplexity, since these two are *opposed* to abiogenesis.
If something is so complex that it must require a designer (which I understand is the basic tenet of ID), and the example of, say, DNA is used to make the point, then there must also exist something so simple that it DOESN`T require a designer. If there isn`t such simplicity, then the word complex has no meaning, because everything then is complex, and therefore everything requires a designer. It`s circular.
So, challenge: Give an example of such simplicity.
Very soon our intelligent designer is going to restore this earth back to a paradise. psalms 37vs10,11,29. There will be no more sickness,old age or death revelation 21vs3,4. Wonderful times soon to come smile
And therefore, no new humans - nobody will ever be allowed to have children, because, if nobody died, it would be a matter of time before the entire earth was covered with ppl standing shoulder to shoulder. Imagine the trouble commuting to meet relatives. Wonderful times indeed. 1. You will NOT be allowed to experience maternity/paternity. Or 2. All of humanity will die neckdeep in shit, since, shoulder to shoulder leaves not much room for vaste disposal. Glorious!
This video no doubt puzzles many creationists (and others) who don't understand why we do live in a world where disease and destruction seem to run amok - it wasn't always this way. When man rejected God and sin entered the picture, we were seperated from God and bad things happened (simplistic? yes, but true). Two quick points: 1. potholer54 doesn't refute the complexity of the flagellum and 2. Jesus came to restore our relationship with God "He came not to condemn the world, but to save"
@SATXTTCATurner stupidity, a human sacrifice suppose to redeem a sin 4000 years prior, and can you point out exactly when this divine creature emerge, because for 98 000 years prior to that heaven watch people leaving in their 20, dying of a rothed teeth,!!! are you insane, ?? the idea you can put your sin on someone else is a discusting one, you never taught a lot about christianity did you, this is what indoctrination does, stop you from reason a critical thinking
@gamesbok Behe is dishonest at best. Most people who "believe" in Evolution are, and ALL who believe in Theistic Evolution are. Irreducable complecity a result of Evolution? Does this guy know what a cell is?
@MalakaiJ Evolution is an emergent property of any system showing reproduction, variation and selection. It's a priori true, true because of the meaning of the words, inescapable, inevitable, logically necessary. It's no surprise it fits with all, and I do mean all emperical evidence.
HJ Muller won the 1946 Nobel Prize in Medicine, and anyone with a knowledge of biology should know that. Perhaps you should read his paper
@IlersichProductions The first part is easy. All it requires is simply the ability to throw yourself forward with all your weight, and the willingness not to mind that it's going to hurt.
@rusman74x It is the creation that went astray. The creator just said "fine, you want to go your own way, see where it gets you." And look where it has got us. A world of suffering, war, famine, illness and other evils.
The fall of man has caused creation to be in travail. Of course, atheists don't acknowledge "sin", so dismiss this causal relationship. Good riddance, then.
Well somebody doesn't knw his Bible very well. I assume you have heard of a thing called "sin" before, right? You seem to like the topic, so it should pop up occasionally. It separates man and God. If the watchmaker leaves the watch alone, eventually it will rust or stop working. In the same way, while we're separate from God, while he still loves us, we "gather rust". When we finally "break", God "repairs" us in Heaven, or leaves us in the "scrap heap", depending on whether or not you accept...
@MalakaiJ Right, because your god is so vain that it would condemn people for eternity simply for not acknowledging it's presence, a presence which it has also taken incredible steps to hide.
@MalakaiJ But what if the watchmaker sells that watch to some one else, or he losses it, or he gives it as a gift. Your analogy is so full of holes so I'll just point out the huge one. You are comparing something that is physical with something that is by definition immaterial
@XxSequndaEtapaXx No analogy is perfect. What I was pointing out is that the "watch", I.E. us, went it's own way. The creator, while he keeps and eye on us, no longer intervenes as often as he would if we had remained sinless. Because of this we "rust", and we cannot expect God to help us while we still sin. If you want to be free from suffering, turn back to the creator, apologise for your sin and reap the eternal rewards, because he not only removes the rust, he gives you a shiny new coat.
@MalakaiJ For tens of thousands of years people looked to their favourite brand of imaginary friend for guidance and salvation. And, surprise surprise, they found nothing. Only in the past few hundred years, have we actually begun to rigorously interrogate this universe and take our fate into our own hands. And look around. Things aren't perfect, but by almost any standard, we're better off than we used to be.
@Walabinx Tens of thousands? Do you have any historical record dating back that far? No? Of course not. Humans can't usually document a time when the Earth didn't actually exist. And what do you mean they found nothing? They found a Hell of a lot more than you've found. The founding fathers of science were mostly Christian. Why? Because the Bible tells us to test everything. There are numerous scientific anachronisms in the Bible. People found moral codes, which Evolution can't...
@MalakaiJ Wow. I've never actually had a discussion with a young earth creationist before (not that this is much of a discussion). You realize that even most of your fellow Christians don't agree with your views on science, right? Ever heard of Ken Miller or Francis Collins? They're stronger proponents of evolution than most atheists. If you haven't already, check out the video here on youtube of Ken Miller explaining the significance of our chromosome 2.
@MalakaiJ How sad to attack the moral code, arguing that in any way, it can come from a god that not only accepts slavery, but legislates it, can rip to shreds 42 "small" children with bears -- just because they teased a prophet (2 Kings), that has no problem encouraging his people to commit genocide... you must be either ignorant of the sheer hateful being claiming to be the creator, or you are intellectually dishonest. Besides, evolution has a mountain of evidence, contrary to God.
@vincedeporter: or it can rip out the lungs of people in its path at no problem at all because its virtue is to destroy the organisms of the human race intentionally - knowing the spiritual intevention has been tormented in many ways possible.
@vincedeporter How hypocritical to claim there is no moral code and then use a moral code to attack a God you don't even understand. I could explain why each and every act you can throw at me was justified and you still wouldn't get it because you don't want to. I am neither ignorant nor intellectually dishonest, however by claiming Evolution has a mountain of evidence you have proven that you are. Evolution has been debunked numerous times. Read Romans 1:18-32.
@MalakaiJ your argument as to y evolution has been debunked is an obscure bible passage? do u understand the theory? have you done any research on your own? (that doesn't come from a bias website? i.e. creationist website?) Have you done any original thinking on your own? my guess is you believe people like me to be close minded.... (me= lol) you've believed the same thing SINCE YOU WERE TAUGHT IT, as a child, and choose to reinforce your argument by implying that the other side is ignorant?
@MalakaiJ i would imagine that anyone looking at the facts in this case would easily be able to infer that the only one not thinking outside the box is you... and people like u. let me know when u come up with a bible passage i should read... im sure in some childish way it will refer to an obscure point i made during my argument, or not. (prob not, but im sure u will try.) i have a quesion... has god said anything about a type 1A super nova? id like to read that passage in the bible.
@theoreticalythinking Supernova, no, not that I've seen (though the Bible isn't supposed to be a science book anyway). Would perfectly describing the gravitational structure of a pair of star clusters over a millenium before the invention of the telescope do for you? Job 38:31 does just that. Just one of 37 anachronisms I have on my website, and many more which I ignored due to my lack of understanding of the area.
@Pirate44444 This is the kind of response I usually get from Evolutionists who are unsure of how to refute the evidence. Mankind has always been interested in the stars, but until Gallileo invented the telescope there is no way the writer of Job would have been able to accurately identify the gravitational structure of TWO star clusters. If you cannot refute it, there's no shame in admitting it.
@MalakaiJ You get this kind of response because it is not evidence in the first place, I'm sorry. You know full well this could easily be coincidence, the writer of Job is not necessarily talking about the gravitational structure of star clusters.
For one thing, he asks: "can you loosen Orion's belt?" not, "Orions belt is loose" as if loose means weak gravitational field anyway. Asking if you can loosen the belt, if anything, implies that it is strong.
@MalakaiJ The stars of Orion's belt, Alnitak, Alnilam and Mintaka, vairy between 800 and 1,340 light years distant. They are not gravitationally bound and in no way are they a cluster.
@gamesbok Coincidence? Bold claim considering how many times these "coincidences" happen throughout the Bible. In full context, God is asking Job if he can do it because he knows he can't. God is saying it is HIM who loosens Orion's belt. Try again.
@MalakaiJ ‘identify the gravitational structure of TWO star clusters.’ If you can’t remember your own argument there’s little point in talking to you.
@gamesbok If you think I can't remember my own argument when I quite clearly can there is little point in talking to you. Not unexpected from a fan of Pothler.
@MalakaiJ Actually I think you can remember your own argument(s). What you can't do is admit a mistake. It's not a question of intellect, it's a question of character.
@MalakaiJ - I never claimed there was no moral code. I believe our morales are the fruit of our evolution. Hence, being able to judge what is despicably immoral, I mentioned the god of the Bible, who is an embarrassment to morality, for all the reasons I mentioned and more.
I understand God more than you think; I was a preacher and an avid Bible student. I was on your side -- until my deeper studies brought me to reason and question my bias.
@Walabinx People found hope, which Evolution cannot give us. People found salvation from sin, which Evolution cannot give us. What has Evolution given us? Immorality and a shed load of decreased sense of purpose and low intelligence. Great. Thank you for teaching us how to think for ourselves with your semantic tests and lies. Sorry buddy. I think I'll stick with the God who can save me over the demon that created your lies.
@MalakaiJ I mean no offense, but your views on this issue seem pretty juvenile. It’s as though during the course of your studies, you’ve only been looking at creationist material, while perhaps just glancing over data representing the opposing view. I anticipate this ‘conversation’ won’t get far, so allow me to part with a piece of advice (or two): The truth has nothing to fear from investigation, and you won't get closer to the truth by interpreting opposing viewpoints as “demon created lies.”
@MalakaiJ No, evolution has not given us salvation and hope. Funnily enough these things are not the only possible advantages of something. Evolution does not give us immorality, it explains where morality comes from. It also does not give us a decreased sense of purpose, for one thing it doesn't actually contradict the existence of God, only the creation story in Genesis and other religious texts. I can't see how it gives us low intelligence either.
@Pirate44444 Evolution cannot explain morality. It is actually AMORAL, which is equivilent to immorality since it gives people the ability to come up with their own moral code, which people like Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin realised. Many people believe Evolution means we do not have purpose: we are here accidentally, hence why atheists have the highest suicide rate. Lower intelligence, I don't understand that one myself either, but it DID decrease the school aptitude in the U.S. (cont)
@MalakaiJ Evolution does explain morality. Morals are obvious advantageous as they allow society to function more successfully. This is pretty obvious to anyone who understands evolution. Adolf Hitler did not believe in Evolution. Evolution is not an accident, so it does not suggest we are here "accidentally." More evolution-accepting countries have lower crime and suicide rates, better health, and more happiness. Watch Potholer's video on morality.
@MalakaiJ Also there is no evidence that people who accept evolution have low intelligence, since practically every university in the world teaches evolution as fact, you can hardly say that professors at oxford, cambridge, harvard, yale, MIT, Stanford, PrincetonWarwick, ICL all have low intelligence.
There are vastly more college professors and students (globally) who accept evolution.
@MalakaiJ "which people like Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin realized." Pathetic and Wrong. Evolution doesn't explain a lot of things in other scientific fields!
"Evolution means we do not have purpose" Fail - that's your opinion! My purpose just doesn't come from imaginary deities like yours supposedly does.
"Lower intelligence" Not when most scientists are atheist and have a higher intelligence!
@gothicsoul100 This depends on which god you're talking about and what kind of Evolution. It is true that humans change over time, which doesn't disprove any god, but it is not true that man evolved from ape-like ancestors. If it were found that we did it would prove numerous creation stories wrong because each of them state God made man, not that man was born to a non-man.
@MalakaiJ well i don't have a Religion fac1 1 the bible was not written by god and giving to man on a rambow fact 2 every culture from islands like hawaii to places like africa and europe even the native americans believe a higher power
@gothicsoul100 Correct, the Bible was not written by God and given to man on whatever a rambow is. The Bible was written by prophets and apostles as inspired by God. Yes, pretty much every culture believes in a sipernatural entity (save the atheistic ones), but that just makes it even more clear that it's true. The "aborigines" believe the flood and the Tower of Babel, therefore suggesting it happened. Whichever God it is, it is one similar to the Biblical God. Truth prevails.
@MalakaiJ sorry i have Dyslexia may bad i met to say the Bible was not written by God and given to man on rainbow i think ppl shoud be believe a higher power but not tell other ppl how to live or put it in to law
@gothicsoul100 Oh. My apologies. I'm autistic myself. And there's one flaw in your logic. When you said people shouldn't tell other people how to live, you're telling people how to live. Also, the laws in the Bible are not man's laws, they're God's laws. That is why they are contrary to the beliefs at the time (E.G. blood was always drunk, but the Bible forbids it) and is VERY accurate (drinking blood is dangerous, and God knew it).
DO NOT PUT BOUNDARIES BETWEEN EVOLUTION AND GOD.
animaljp3 19 hours ago
1. evolution is best TRAITED organism surviving, not chance. NOT ACCIDENT. 2. This does not disprove God. Where did matter and energy come from to make everything?
animaljp3 19 hours ago
This vid needs a troll face somewhere
ProDegiaque 1 day ago
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lol. I love these videos.
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sniped101 2 days ago
4:48 "But there's a very good argument that absolutely refutes this. [silence]"
Hahahaha,
technicallyabsurd 6 days ago
The philosophy of the blind pitiless universe gets a free pass, because the believers in the blind pitiless universe think they'll manage to sneak in some (or a lot) of "I can do whatever I want to do without anything or anyone having the right to tell me that I shouldn't be doing whatever I want to do" time. You're trading out your hope for eternity, for some quick fun now, and it's a miserable choice to make. Please reconsider. That's MY emotional argument - that you'll get your hope back!
tubewatch59 1 week ago
@tubewatch59 The point potholer54 was trying to make is not that he believes in a meaningless blind and pitiless universe or endorses belief in one, but that he was making a fool out of creationists with this tricky video. I assure you all the atheists I know do not believe in bleak and amoral realities or taking short term gain over long term happiness. No, we too find beauty and peace and meaning in a universe that we are sure is without a god. Your argument was all strawman.
Lockjaw95 1 week ago
@Lockjaw95
It would seem that the materialistic worldview, while allowing that subjective experiences of beauty and meaningfulness may well occur (and do occur) to individuals, nevertheless teaches that such experiences are ultimately, without objective meaning outsuide of the individiuals experience. It is a bleak worldview, but sweetened from time to time for those individuals able to enjoy themselves. For those unable to escape into enjoyments, the bleakness becomes their reality.
tubewatch59 1 week ago
@tubewatch59
Magic has never proved to be a valid answer for any phenomena---ever.
Sorry =(
odinata 1 week ago
@odinata
"Magic" is technology we can't yet comprehend. When God created the universe and life, He was using design knowledge & technology beyond our comprehension, to create technology (life) we're barely starting to comprehend. If you want to write it off as magic, using that as an excuse to ignore the possibility of ID, that's your choice. But until you can explain how it actually came about naturally (nobody can explain that at this time) it's premature to assume ID can be disregarded
tubewatch59 6 days ago
@tubewatch59
"MAgic" is a bullshit excuse that has NEVER turned out to be the answer to ANY question.
Your argument from ignorance is no good here.
odinata 6 days ago
The argument comes down to: If God allows mean things to happen, then I won't believe in God.
The philosophy of the blind pitiless universe promises horrors with no hope of a restoration of justice later, so why is this philosophy of the indifferent universe getting a free pass?
This kind of emotional "argument against meanness" would be a bit more effective, if the bible actually claimed that God was only ever "nice and sweet". But the bible doesn't support that notion about God at all.
tubewatch59 1 week ago
@tubewatch59 in fact the bibles god was a dick
killgore333333 6 days ago in playlist Creationist nonsense etc
@killgore333333
God's bad, because He doesn't arrange life according to our preferences? That's like saying "sports are evil", because there can only be some winners, and many losers!
We're often lectured (by atheists) on the point that humans supposedly hold no special place in the universe, and that we theists ought to have more humility.
But then atheists cry foul, claiming God doesn't exist, because He's not a "sugar daddy" with life free from all hardships?
What do you expect?
tubewatch59 6 days ago
@tubewatch59 its amazing how you christians can take a 8 word sentence out of context , all i implied is that the god of the old testament was a complete jackass , yet somehow you manage to dredge up a paragraph of rhetoric about athiests this and athiests that . and whats this about not molding life to my preferences im not talking about random bits of the landscape im talking about actions that were taken by this character of fiction killing off everything with rain=ass
killgore333333 6 days ago
@killgore333333
You call God a jackass, because you don't believe He exists. If you thought He was real, you'd think twice. Are you saying that there can be no justification for God destroying the world (that He made) with a flood? I put it to you that your opinion will turn out to be wrong.
Why (according to the Bible) did God flood the world? Because humans had become totally evil and violent. Kind of like the Mexican drug gangs are now. Do they deserve to live? No they don't.
tubewatch59 6 days ago
@tubewatch59
Jesus died for the MExican Drug Gang's sins.
ALL they have to do is accept Jesus and they live eternally.
That is ALL they have to do.
odinata 6 days ago
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@odinata
"Jesus died for the MExican Drug Gang's sins. ALL they have to do is accept Jesus and they live eternally."
Correct. But firstly, they do need to accept that offer. Secondly, even if and when they do accept that offer, they still need to be executed (if they are murderers etc.) or go to jail for a long time (for non capital punishment kinds of crimes). Human justice isn't to be neglected whenever someone makes a profession of faith towards God. That's between them and God.
tubewatch59 5 days ago
@tubewatch59 if i thought he was real id still hate his ass , afterall why make us if he knows what we will do long before we ever did it. or are you saying that lord allmighty is incapable of foresight , wouldent it be best if he didnt make the rapists, thieves and killers just to burn in a eternal fire pit let alone to test us even though he knows how we will respond before we ever do , im not saying that there is or isnt a god but whos to say hes your god or just for that matter
killgore333333 6 days ago
@killgore333333
It sounds like you resent being created as a free agent. I can almost sympathize, but nevertheless, I think that outlines the very high value God places of true freedom doesn't it. God doesn't want to make entities that are programmed not to fail. We all have true freedom AND true responsibility. We all need to make VERY wise choices because their are pretty serious implications down the road. We have the potential for great success or terrible failure.
tubewatch59 5 days ago
@tubewatch59 what im saying is that if god has the power of premonition/cosmic foresight , the knowledge of what will be , then he knows what we will do before we ever do it so by that the very notion of free will is tossed out of the window, does a character in a book truly have free will if the author purposely chooses what they will do , and if you read a book backwards will it seem like the character had any bit of choice .
killgore333333 5 days ago
@killgore333333
What if God is able to know the story's ending without actually writing it? I'm speculating of course, but due to quantization, we actually have a large but finite set of states for all matter, energy & coordinates in time/space, so that the whole set of possible outcomes (even with genuine free will) is a (knowable by God) finite set. So even with genuine free will, the set of all possible outcomes could be known (by God) in advance, with no effect on any decision making.
tubewatch59 5 days ago
@killgore333333
The point is that we have unrestricted free will, but within a huge nut finite set of choices. Of course, as far as we're concerned the number of free will choices are well beyond any possible restrictions that we could sense, although one could always argue (and rightfully so) that a very wealthy person with few commitments would have more freedom than some others less fortunate, although such people may also be more constrained in other modes of decision making.
tubewatch59 5 days ago
@killgore333333
Say you had created some creatures with genuine free will that could make a total of 10 decisions each. You may not know what decisions they would be. On the other hand, you'd be able to calculate ahead of time what all the possible outcomes would be.
But we're trying to understand things likely beyond us. Still, it never hurt to attempt doing that, right? But we need to remember that ants can't comprehend general relativity. (I can't comprehend general relativity!)
tubewatch59 5 days ago
@killgore333333
It seems you actually do expect the God of the Universe, to do YOUR bidding!! Keep on dreaming, or better yet, grow up.
tubewatch59 6 days ago
@tubewatch59 when did i speak of this bidding nonsense i simply said he was a prick , i can tell you that you are a prick without asking you to do a thing . that being said what in the hell is a prayer then? you are requesting? maybe you should take your own advice and think for a minute.
killgore333333 6 days ago
@killgore333333
If you're of the opinion that God is fictional etc. you won't be praying to Hm anytime soon. And if we are acting in evil ways intentionally (even those who do believe in God) He won't listen to those prayers either! I'm a Christian, but if I have just done something evil (or even if I'm planning to) then God isn't going to be listening to any of my prayers, not until I ask for forgiveness and make restitution to whoever it was I wronged. THEN I can start praying.
tubewatch59 6 days ago
@tubewatch59 then why dont you pray real hard ask him to talk to me id love to have a debate hell you can even chime in as the debate moderator , we each get one prop and 30 minutes to settle our points , do it pray ask this magic man to have a chat with me , something as innocuous as a conversation cant be a big bad sin to request, so go ahead set us up, or do you consider yourself a christian in name only surely you believe you can pray for that right? ill be waiting
killgore333333 6 days ago
@killgore333333
You want a 30 minute debate with God, with me as the moderator?!
Sorry, I can't arrange something like that. It's kind of already booked in for judgement day (that's if you haven't become a Christian in the meantime) but as for now? I'd doubt it. Of course God can do whatever He wants to do (but I'd be careful what you wished for).
tubewatch59 5 days ago
@tubewatch59 my my do you ever have a opinion of yourself thinking you have enough persuasive power to convert someone to christianity over the internet on a anti creationist videos comment section , well let it be heard if there is a god/gods i would love to talk to him/them , and if its the christian god id be doubly eager to chat , and if anyone is curious as to my actual beliefs , id say im a true agnostic i think its arrogant to argue in absolutes >>>>>
killgore333333 5 days ago
@killgore333333 Or to believe that we are the only planet with life in the universe who has claims as to what there is or isnt . there are infinite possibilities that we can never explore because of time and the sheer expanse of the universe instead of focusing on religion or what is or isnt i think we should all just simmer the hell down and live the life that we want to live and do what we think is right treat others the way wed like to be treated etc
killgore333333 5 days ago
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@killgore333333
"we should all just simmer the hell down and live the life that we want to live and do what we think is right treat others the way wed like to be treated etc"
I have no argument with that.
tubewatch59 5 days ago
@killgore333333
"my my do you ever have a opinion of yourself thinking you have enough persuasive power to convert someone to christianity"
Hope abounds, but I never thought you'd be converting right now. I said "(that's if you haven't become a Christian in the meantime)", meaning that if you did become a Christian some time in the future, then you wouldn't be going to judgement day as a participant. Only you can decide. All I can do is make information available for your consideration.
tubewatch59 5 days ago
@tubewatch59
Judgement Day is a myth.
odinata 5 days ago
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@odinata
"Judgement Day is a myth."
It's the "myth" you're booked into. The inevitable that is unexpected.
Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
tubewatch59 5 days ago
@odinata Not only is Judgement day a myth, the whole concept of sin is a myth too. And the apologetics below are truly awful....
Drweavil 23 hours ago
But apart from that (misconceived) argument of Dr. Miller's, the point being made here is a moral point (along the lines of Sam Harris). That since God allows mean things to happen, then mean machines couldn't have been intelligently designed.
Since Biblical creationists pount out that the Bible is upfront about God having cursed the earth, causing there to be much suffering, the emotional argument fails to deliver scientifically, and also fails to show that the Bible is being inconsistent.
tubewatch59 1 week ago
The points made in the video don't argue on a scientific level, but on an emotional level. There's little scientific argumentation able to tryu and refute the notion that these molecular machines weren't designed intellignetly. Miller's attempts merely misrepresent the irreducible complexity argument. The IC claim doesn't say parts of these machines can't function in other ways, but says that the CHARACTERISTIC FUNCTION of the molecular machine won't work without all of the parts in place.
tubewatch59 1 week ago
Thanks for video, I didn't know anything about the purpose of bacterial flagellum (at least in human suffering) so to me it seems like another disgusting misrepresentation of science by creationists.
azbacnikorange 2 weeks ago
"But there's a very good argument that absolutely refutes this: [pause]"
lol
BrokenCurtain 2 weeks ago
Strangely, of all the potholer54 videos I've seen, this one refused to load and took a long time for me to see. A miracle?
TommyGuitarful 2 weeks ago
i think your all fucking stupid...
655Robert 2 weeks ago
@655Robert "you're" :)
azbacnikorange 2 weeks ago
@azbacnikorange you're :)
655Robert 2 weeks ago
Why the fuck you bring RELIGION in a science video? Intelligent designer doesn't mean that ID is god - it is highly unlikely that it is god of some sort. But one thing - life on earth originated from bacteria - FROM DNA!!! - DNA is so complex - how could mere atoms of Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen and Phosphorus form molecules and CONTAIN INFORMATION ?? - for cell building, ORGAN building - what each organ is for and coordination between each other - COMPLEX!!!! - EXPLAIN PLEASE!
Spandex08 2 weeks ago
@Spandex08 So you made some concrete assertions-- How do you know it's highly unlikely that ID doesn't come from a god? And wouldn't a being/entity that could create the universe be essentially a god or godlike? Regarding DNA---there are many examples of non-life processes and materials that are complex that arise from processes that we know about and can see. And why assume because you don't know how the process begins that a god did it? Please explain!
azbacnikorange 2 weeks ago
@azbacnikorange DNA and life is so complex that even Darwin (if he knew about cells as much as we do today) would question his theory. Evolution is correct to some extent - but - humans ultimate ancestor to be a bacteria living in some pond is unbelievable. Yes there are complex processes - but none of them contain "information". the big bang - or one "creature" being creating universe - anything here is just speculation, as there could be variations and possibilities.
Spandex08 2 weeks ago
This video has really unnerved me.
Can someone who knows what there talking about help me please in explaining why God created such deceases?
nomesbirdy 3 weeks ago
The problem of evil is the most compelling case against theism.
Infact it's the only argument
nomesbirdy 3 weeks ago
"But there's a very good argument that absolutely refutes this... Finally want to..." XD Love it!
sagbag 3 weeks ago
hogwash
iworkforme 3 weeks ago
@iworkforme its supposed to be stupid, its a parody.
cartmanisafatninja 3 weeks ago
Christians do not worry about the "likes" and "dislikes" about this video, its not a popularity contest. We know its man´s natural tendency to turn away from God, lets be loving when we defend the gospel and the truths contained in the scripture. Soon everyone will recognize God
yacsich 3 weeks ago
@yacsich and off course only the judeo-christian god is the right one, do you realise that you are a christian by a accident of birth, have you ever ask yourself why god would reveal himself geographicly ?? do you realise that make no sence at all? i was once a christian but realise what the bible is, hope you get yourself free of this one day
lapmarty 3 weeks ago in playlist Intelligent Design: Creationism's New Brand Name
@lapmarty why is God only revealed to some is a good question to which ther is an answer: I will have mercy on whom I have mercy (Rom 9:15), God has reasons beyond our comprehension. I hope you reexamine your faith, I´m sure if you research with an open heart you will find that the bible is an extraordinary book, supported by evidence within itself (prophecies fulfilled, knowledge unknown at the time) and outside evidence from archeology and non-christian scripts. I´ll pray for you.
yacsich 3 weeks ago
@yacsich off course you find a answer in the bible, do you know bible history,?? do you know how human it is, ?? do you even understand that this book his barbarian,? do you cherry pick only the good like most christian, or do you beleive to be the words of god? cause clearly, your god dont give a crap about people, maybe jesus did sometime, but jesus father is clearly a idiot that accept slavery, order murder, ect,, do you understand the mecanic behind your moral value not from bible my friend
lapmarty 3 weeks ago
@yacsich i was brought up in a christian home and was indoctrinate, then i travel saw the world, i saw the people that wrote your bible, in afghanistan people still live like 2000 years ago, same people, same habit, same no science, no education, women are nothing, you should go see them, it would open your eyes, to the level of knowledge the people who wrotte this book had about the world, indoctrination is dangerous, faith is its hard to accept but it is the truth, you dont have gods truth,
lapmarty 3 weeks ago
@yacsich yes when is good you claim him but when 9 millions children die every years of stupid natural catastrophy(wich he creates in his divine plan in the first place) you say he is mysterious, the whole thing is so obviously man-made it is embarassing to actually see people in 2012 beleiving this, beleiving that incantation have any effect, like the primitive tribes in africa, the christian reunited in church, the only difference is they got expensive clothes watches, and jellewry
lapmarty 3 weeks ago
@lapmarty I thought you wanted to engage in an open mind debate...my mistake, I can see there is a lot of agresiveness and prejudice in your speech. God is indeed a mystery in some way but most of the suffering on earth is the result of mankind denying the rule of God, and living as there is no God or living according to their own selfish desire. Apparently you think you know everything about God and Christianity so there is no more use for me to explain anything. Take care
yacsich 2 weeks ago
@yacsich your wrong most of the problem are cause by relligion, when people ssay they know how other should live their life, when people KNOWS thing without evidence,
when peope think they had a revelation, and they had to spread it to OTHER, im sorry im not the one close minded here FAITH is a discussion killer, after all, when you live your life according to a book that accept slavery,tell you to kill people that work on sunday, and other stupid barbarian old shit, there isnt much one can say
lapmarty 2 weeks ago
@lapmarty calm down, I´ve never mentioned religion, Jesus most severe with the religious people of his time, maybe the problem it is religion, the solution is just turning to God, religion usually centers on what you can do to be saved, God´s response is: nothing, there is no way we can be saved other than by His mercy. I do live by faith, based on my intelligence as well. You also live by faith, you can´t prove that God doesn´t exist and that is your faith, I respect it. Best regards
yacsich 2 weeks ago
@yacsich first, i dont live by faith, this is logicly flawed to say -you cant proove god dont exist so it is your faith, YOU DONT PROOF A NEGATIVE, is somoene not beleiving in santa claus called any name?? answer no, cause you dont define yourself by what you dont beleive in, this is one good exemple of indoctrination,
secondly,
-there is no way we can be saved other than by His mercy, what are you talking about physical death?
lapmarty 2 weeks ago
@lapmarty You may be right, I should have said you can´t prove that evrything was made randomly and still believe it. And I´m talking about afterlife.
yacsich 2 weeks ago
Sorry typing error .. Man and woman pulled the plug out. Psalms 119 vs 90 the earth has been solidly fixed. A loving father handicraft a comfortable house for his family only to burn it down.? Ps115vs16 that would be unthinkable ! Ps 103vs13 john 4vs8
lesleyjaneuk 4 weeks ago
Jeremiah 10vs23 "it does not belong to man to direct his own step". Or govern another man. The creator ,the designer of us ,wants us to get the best out of life. The first an an woman pulled the plug out and life on our own without Gods rulership has produced misery for many. Jesus came to buy back what Adam lost ,perfect life in a paradise earth. Soon Gods original purpose will be on earth as it is in heaven .matthew 6vs9 John 3vs16 everlasting life restored on earth .
lesleyjaneuk 4 weeks ago
@lesleyjaneuk matthew 19:21 how come you dont follow that one, how come no christian follow that one, or answer my question, hypocrite??? i think you are,
you should sell evrethiing you have, your car, your computer, your house, and go with the poor,
strange hein, if i was indoctrinate in the christian faith, and really beleive the bible is the words of god, (wich is absurd!) i guess i would be scare to go to hell, and obey the word of my god, but you probably give a metaphor meaning,haha
lapmarty 3 weeks ago
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@lesleyjaneuk matthew 19:21 how come you dont follow that one, how come no christian follow that one, or answer my question, hypocrite??? i think you are,
you should sell evrethiing you have, your car, your computer, your house, and go with the poor,
strange hein, if i was indoctrinate in the christian faith, and really beleive the bible is the words of god, (wich is absurd!) i guess i would be scare to go to hell, and obey the word of my god, but you probably give a metaphor meaning,haha
lapmarty 3 weeks ago
@lesleyjaneuk matthew 19:21 how come you dont follow that one, how come no christian follow that one, or answer my question, hypocrite??? i think you are,
you should sell evrethiing you have, your car, your computer, your house, and go with the poor,
strange hein, if i was indoctrinate in the christian faith, and really beleive the bible is the words of god, (wich is absurd!) i guess i would be scare to go to hell, and obey the word of my god, but you probably give a metaphor meaning,haha
lapmarty 3 weeks ago
@lesleyjaneuk a other thing, we know there was know adam, it is just a mythe of creation, every culture as one, if you beleive in this your a idiot, science as proove it wrong, it also able you to use a computer (yes quantum mecanic,physic, chemistry as allowed to build it so you morons use it to state that the world is 6000 years old wich is really ironic in itself!! really satisfying to watch i must say!!) science is good for you to benefit , but not when it disturb your wishful thinking pity
lapmarty 3 weeks ago
@lesleyjaneuk yes perfect life, but he ate a apple, because of the instinct that was put in him by god in the first place, so god was really condemning to be unhappy for eternity because of unsatisfied instinc, but then this resonate trought the ages, so every human has to pay, it get better, god, who made this mess, decided to send his son, to be killed in a barbarian region as a human sacrifice to himself, so it magicly buy back the debt of those two 4000 years before, really beautiful story!!
lapmarty 3 weeks ago
@lesleyjaneuk yes but religious pretention tryn to convert people, because you got the only real god revelation, do you realise how insane that is, ??there hasnt been a revelation, if there was one, it would be a stupid capricious, god, that choose to doomed people in advance by having them born in the wrong faith,
youd be saying the exact same thing about islam if youd be borned in saudi arabia, why is nobody religious ever do the exersise, and ask themself that?? nor answer my point? lol
lapmarty 3 weeks ago
@lesleyjaneuk Jeremiah 10vs23 "it does not belong to man to direct his own step". Or govern another man, what kind of stupidity is that, sure i dont direct my life, ill just wait and see what happend, if the human race is for one,had not follow the bible guideline, we would be 1000 years ahead, the hurch as oppose all major scientific breaktrought to date,heliocentrism, vaccination, evolution, lately stem cell research, still againts condom use cost millions life,and so on, stupid organisation
lapmarty 3 weeks ago
Great job at least you know God exist but you missed one part. When the world was created everything was made good so the loving God held up his in. Adam and eve sin and they were able to see evil and thats when everything went off wack. But good job explaining the first part not try to have a relationship with the Lord so you can see all us real christians see :)
jamesbamaboi 4 weeks ago
@jamesbamaboi go read mattew 19:21 and explain me how come you got a freaking computer still?? isnt it clearly stated by jesus to sell all you have and go help the poor, ?? i guess like any religion, people just take in what their moral value (that come from secular discussion, slave abolition is one exemple, women voting is a other,) and pin point that on the bible, its really funny to watch that you got the nerv to come knock on my door with your legend, and ask to join in !
lapmarty 3 weeks ago
@lapmarty i guess you didnt read these verse so check this out Matthew 22But when the young man heard this, he went away sad, for he had many possession.Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is very hard for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. 24 I’ll say it again it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!”25 The disciples were astounded. “Then who in the world can be saved?” they asked.
jamesbamaboi 2 weeks ago
@lapmarty26 Jesus looked at them intently and said, “Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But with God everything is possible.” so please keep reading before and after the verse so you can understand it :)
jamesbamaboi 2 weeks ago
@jamesbamaboi are you justifying the fact that you dont wanna sell your house and evrething, by this?? it still clearly say to get rid of your posession,l there is no interpretation of this, see this is exactly my point people put their taught into the book, so what is the point of the book if the word of god is just something that change with time, it obviously does so, do you killed people that work on sunday??
lapmarty 2 weeks ago
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@lapmarty Jesus looked at them intently and said, “Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But with God everything is possible.” Matthew 26 I guess you didnt see that verse or understand what Jesus was saying. The man Jesus was talking to was rich and value his possession more than God, so what Jesus told him to give up all his possession so he want put them in front of God. And where does it say kill people that work on sunday?
jamesbamaboi 2 weeks ago
But not everyone wants to make the earth a lovely secure place. Which is sad. Daniel 2vs44 it speaks of the world powers that have been and that are remaining. They are described as fragile like iron and clay together. This earth is being ruined and as revelation 11vs18 says God will bring to ruin those ruining the earth. If you had bad tenants in your home you would give them warnings . But you wouldn't let them destroy your home would you? So God want let this earth be destroyed
lesleyjaneuk 4 weeks ago
@lesleyjaneuk
quoting from a fairy tale again? what about i start quoting from harry potter?
MrTheblackmessenger 3 weeks ago
@lesleyjaneuk
It's funny how the biggest reason people turn away from religion are people like you.
Every time a preacher preaches against gays, a new atheist is born.
Every time a preacher sais how vile atheists are, a new one is born.
Every time a Christian shows his intolerance like you just did, an atheist is born.
Therefore I want to think you.
Picasso43967 3 weeks ago
@Picasso43967 no i turn of religion becaus eor reason, and realise what is indoctrination do you know what it is?
lapmarty 3 weeks ago
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JezusSlave 1 month ago
The earth will not be over populated . Genesis 1vs28. Go and fill the earth. Have children . Take care of the animals . Be caretakers of the earth. Most women wouldn't want children forever ,but just like a cup of tea you don't over fill the cup. Plus remember this earth is only a spec compared to the universe . So what has the creator got in store ? Evo s will never know.
lesleyjaneuk 1 month ago
@lesleyjaneuk "this earth is only a spec compared to the universe . So what has the creator got in store ?" maybe he will reward each of his believer a planet to rule? .....that sounds like Scientology to me.
MrTheblackmessenger 3 weeks ago
War,famine,broken families, women kidnapped into prostitution. Greedy financial system causing horrendous stress. Men are lovers of themselves 2timothy 3vs1-5. Signs of the last days Critical hard to deal with... Having no natural affection . The creator will soon remove 1john 5vs19 the ruler of this world and then bring the paradise on earth
lesleyjaneuk 1 month ago
@lesleyjaneuk As Niall Ferguson has explained in his series, the Ascent of Money, we've have severe crises before and all those other things you've listed are nothing new to human history. If there's ever going to be paradise on Earth, it's up to us to make it.
R4t10n4L 4 weeks ago
That creationist says that because the parts on their own are useless, they together are a "design."
That could go for just about anything. What a bunch of caca.
RipTheSystem33 1 month ago
A butterfly could never have "evolved" from a caterpillar, the wings are far too "irreducible complex"... Take that cocoonist.
pegasusfreedom 1 month ago
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Such a statement is highly *absurd* that order and rectitude should come about *without* a Creator, and disorder and impropriety of design and *fate* should suppose a Creator. He is an *ignoramus* who says this, because anything produced *without* design will ***never*** be exact and proportioned, while disorder and contrariness cannot co-exist with orderly design. Allah is far above what the *deluded and duped ignorant atheists* say.
1tabligh 1 month ago
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Absurdity of Atheism!
If abiogenesis spontaneous creation *without* specific "design" can be admitted under such conditions of regularity, then purposeful generation and definitely balanced creation can be the result of *error* ad perplexity, since these two are *opposed* to abiogenesis.
1tabligh 1 month ago
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A question for the ID proponent.
If something is so complex that it must require a designer (which I understand is the basic tenet of ID), and the example of, say, DNA is used to make the point, then there must also exist something so simple that it DOESN`T require a designer. If there isn`t such simplicity, then the word complex has no meaning, because everything then is complex, and therefore everything requires a designer. It`s circular.
So, challenge: Give an example of such simplicity.
RationalThinker1859 1 month ago in playlist Intelligent Design: Creationism's New Brand Name
Very soon our intelligent designer is going to restore this earth back to a paradise. psalms 37vs10,11,29. There will be no more sickness,old age or death revelation 21vs3,4. Wonderful times soon to come smile
lesleyjaneuk 1 month ago
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And therefore, no new humans - nobody will ever be allowed to have children, because, if nobody died, it would be a matter of time before the entire earth was covered with ppl standing shoulder to shoulder. Imagine the trouble commuting to meet relatives. Wonderful times indeed. 1. You will NOT be allowed to experience maternity/paternity. Or 2. All of humanity will die neckdeep in shit, since, shoulder to shoulder leaves not much room for vaste disposal. Glorious!
tdjdk 1 month ago
@tdjdk
At least we won't have anymore teenagers.
narutofan9999 1 month ago
@lesleyjaneuk My wonderful times are right now. I don't need to wait for an "intelligent designer" to do anything.
RipTheSystem33 1 month ago
Very interesting.
stayeducated1 1 month ago
This video no doubt puzzles many creationists (and others) who don't understand why we do live in a world where disease and destruction seem to run amok - it wasn't always this way. When man rejected God and sin entered the picture, we were seperated from God and bad things happened (simplistic? yes, but true). Two quick points: 1. potholer54 doesn't refute the complexity of the flagellum and 2. Jesus came to restore our relationship with God "He came not to condemn the world, but to save"
SATXTTCATurner 1 month ago
@SATXTTCATurner stupidity, a human sacrifice suppose to redeem a sin 4000 years prior, and can you point out exactly when this divine creature emerge, because for 98 000 years prior to that heaven watch people leaving in their 20, dying of a rothed teeth,!!! are you insane, ?? the idea you can put your sin on someone else is a discusting one, you never taught a lot about christianity did you, this is what indoctrination does, stop you from reason a critical thinking
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lapmarty 3 weeks ago
LoL., so your response to the argument for irreducible complexity is to portray God as a monster?
Sad isn't it.., that you just want to hate
mysty0 1 month ago
@mysty0 In 1918 HJ Muller proved that Irreducable Complexity is a result of evolution.
Muller, Hermann J., "Genetic Variability, Twin Hybrids and Constant Hybrids, in a Case of Balanced Lethal Factors," Genetics 3:422–499.v
Behe knows this. He's just being dishonest.
gamesbok 1 month ago in playlist Intelligent Design: Creationism's New Brand Name
@gamesbok Behe is dishonest at best. Most people who "believe" in Evolution are, and ALL who believe in Theistic Evolution are. Irreducable complecity a result of Evolution? Does this guy know what a cell is?
MalakaiJ 1 month ago
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« Does this guy know what a cell is? »
Your point being?
XGralgrathor 1 month ago
@MalakaiJ Evolution is an emergent property of any system showing reproduction, variation and selection. It's a priori true, true because of the meaning of the words, inescapable, inevitable, logically necessary. It's no surprise it fits with all, and I do mean all emperical evidence.
HJ Muller won the 1946 Nobel Prize in Medicine, and anyone with a knowledge of biology should know that. Perhaps you should read his paper
gamesbok 1 month ago
@gamesbok thanks for the reference; if what you claim turns out to be true, it would seem that Behe has a lot more explaining to do.
TheNthMouse 1 month ago
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@gamesbok thanks for the reference; if what you claim turns out to be true, it would seem that Behe has a lot more explaining to do.
TheNthMouse 1 month ago
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@gamesbok thanks for the reference; if what you claim turns out to be true, it would seem that Behe has a lot more explaining to do.
TheNthMouse 1 month ago
CLEARLY those bad bacteria are of Satan's design therefore your argument is invalid.
>just kidding
Pen81191 2 months ago
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1) DNA is a coded information system.
2) Every coded information sytem we have ever observed has been designed.
3) Therefore, we have 100% inference, that DNA was designed.
Unless you can provide an example of a code that was not the product of design.
God has spoken.
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nvutube7 2 months ago
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Tamizushi 2 months ago
@AngelFeathers2010 What do you expect? They believe they're related to monkeys, surely they'll act like it?
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
The Theory of Gravity vs Intelligent Falling.
Discuss.
GluttonForSex 2 months ago
@GluttonForSex In order to fly, you must learn to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
IlersichProductions 1 month ago
@IlersichProductions The first part is easy. All it requires is simply the ability to throw yourself forward with all your weight, and the willingness not to mind that it's going to hurt.
sloosh6000 1 month ago
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sloosh6000 1 month ago
Do realize that if god existed, he would have created everything else as well.
CommentingBrandon 2 months ago
It's almost like they've adapted to there environment over many years and evolved . . .
SuckMyRightToe 2 months ago
Good video.
nerfedgod 2 months ago
Wow, the all powerful, all loving Creator is a real asshole.
rusman74x 2 months ago
@rusman74x It is the creation that went astray. The creator just said "fine, you want to go your own way, see where it gets you." And look where it has got us. A world of suffering, war, famine, illness and other evils.
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
The fall of man has caused creation to be in travail. Of course, atheists don't acknowledge "sin", so dismiss this causal relationship. Good riddance, then.
KJBman777 2 months ago
to good dude just to good
GeniusAtheist 2 months ago
so bacteria that hurts and kills people made him believe in God?
Dustyart35 3 months ago
@Dustyart35 the 4th word of the description, remove it. you have your answer
JEL625 3 months ago
Well somebody doesn't knw his Bible very well. I assume you have heard of a thing called "sin" before, right? You seem to like the topic, so it should pop up occasionally. It separates man and God. If the watchmaker leaves the watch alone, eventually it will rust or stop working. In the same way, while we're separate from God, while he still loves us, we "gather rust". When we finally "break", God "repairs" us in Heaven, or leaves us in the "scrap heap", depending on whether or not you accept...
MalakaiJ 3 months ago
@MalakaiJ His saving Grace.
MalakaiJ 3 months ago
@MalakaiJ Right, because your god is so vain that it would condemn people for eternity simply for not acknowledging it's presence, a presence which it has also taken incredible steps to hide.
ArcanaKnight 3 months ago
@MalakaiJ But what if the watchmaker sells that watch to some one else, or he losses it, or he gives it as a gift. Your analogy is so full of holes so I'll just point out the huge one. You are comparing something that is physical with something that is by definition immaterial
XxSequndaEtapaXx 2 months ago
@XxSequndaEtapaXx No analogy is perfect. What I was pointing out is that the "watch", I.E. us, went it's own way. The creator, while he keeps and eye on us, no longer intervenes as often as he would if we had remained sinless. Because of this we "rust", and we cannot expect God to help us while we still sin. If you want to be free from suffering, turn back to the creator, apologise for your sin and reap the eternal rewards, because he not only removes the rust, he gives you a shiny new coat.
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ For tens of thousands of years people looked to their favourite brand of imaginary friend for guidance and salvation. And, surprise surprise, they found nothing. Only in the past few hundred years, have we actually begun to rigorously interrogate this universe and take our fate into our own hands. And look around. Things aren't perfect, but by almost any standard, we're better off than we used to be.
Meet anybody with smallpox lately?
Walabinx 2 months ago
@Walabinx Tens of thousands? Do you have any historical record dating back that far? No? Of course not. Humans can't usually document a time when the Earth didn't actually exist. And what do you mean they found nothing? They found a Hell of a lot more than you've found. The founding fathers of science were mostly Christian. Why? Because the Bible tells us to test everything. There are numerous scientific anachronisms in the Bible. People found moral codes, which Evolution can't...
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ Wow. I've never actually had a discussion with a young earth creationist before (not that this is much of a discussion). You realize that even most of your fellow Christians don't agree with your views on science, right? Ever heard of Ken Miller or Francis Collins? They're stronger proponents of evolution than most atheists. If you haven't already, check out the video here on youtube of Ken Miller explaining the significance of our chromosome 2.
Walabinx 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ How sad to attack the moral code, arguing that in any way, it can come from a god that not only accepts slavery, but legislates it, can rip to shreds 42 "small" children with bears -- just because they teased a prophet (2 Kings), that has no problem encouraging his people to commit genocide... you must be either ignorant of the sheer hateful being claiming to be the creator, or you are intellectually dishonest. Besides, evolution has a mountain of evidence, contrary to God.
vincedeporter 2 months ago
@vincedeporter: or it can rip out the lungs of people in its path at no problem at all because its virtue is to destroy the organisms of the human race intentionally - knowing the spiritual intevention has been tormented in many ways possible.
Ringvireot 2 months ago
@vincedeporter How hypocritical to claim there is no moral code and then use a moral code to attack a God you don't even understand. I could explain why each and every act you can throw at me was justified and you still wouldn't get it because you don't want to. I am neither ignorant nor intellectually dishonest, however by claiming Evolution has a mountain of evidence you have proven that you are. Evolution has been debunked numerous times. Read Romans 1:18-32.
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ your argument as to y evolution has been debunked is an obscure bible passage? do u understand the theory? have you done any research on your own? (that doesn't come from a bias website? i.e. creationist website?) Have you done any original thinking on your own? my guess is you believe people like me to be close minded.... (me= lol) you've believed the same thing SINCE YOU WERE TAUGHT IT, as a child, and choose to reinforce your argument by implying that the other side is ignorant?
theoreticalythinking 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ i would imagine that anyone looking at the facts in this case would easily be able to infer that the only one not thinking outside the box is you... and people like u. let me know when u come up with a bible passage i should read... im sure in some childish way it will refer to an obscure point i made during my argument, or not. (prob not, but im sure u will try.) i have a quesion... has god said anything about a type 1A super nova? id like to read that passage in the bible.
theoreticalythinking 2 months ago
@theoreticalythinking Supernova, no, not that I've seen (though the Bible isn't supposed to be a science book anyway). Would perfectly describing the gravitational structure of a pair of star clusters over a millenium before the invention of the telescope do for you? Job 38:31 does just that. Just one of 37 anachronisms I have on my website, and many more which I ignored due to my lack of understanding of the area.
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ job 38:31 "“Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades? Can you loosen Orion’s belt? "
How is this a perfect description of the gravitational structure of a pair of star clusters?
Pirate44444 2 months ago
@Pirate44444 Because Pleiades is very tightly bound by gravity, whereas Orion has a "loose belt" (weak gravitational field).
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ lol are you for real? That is one of the most contrived examples I have ever heard.
Pirate44444 2 months ago
@Pirate44444 This is the kind of response I usually get from Evolutionists who are unsure of how to refute the evidence. Mankind has always been interested in the stars, but until Gallileo invented the telescope there is no way the writer of Job would have been able to accurately identify the gravitational structure of TWO star clusters. If you cannot refute it, there's no shame in admitting it.
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ You get this kind of response because it is not evidence in the first place, I'm sorry. You know full well this could easily be coincidence, the writer of Job is not necessarily talking about the gravitational structure of star clusters.
For one thing, he asks: "can you loosen Orion's belt?" not, "Orions belt is loose" as if loose means weak gravitational field anyway. Asking if you can loosen the belt, if anything, implies that it is strong.
Pirate44444 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ The stars of Orion's belt, Alnitak, Alnilam and Mintaka, vairy between 800 and 1,340 light years distant. They are not gravitationally bound and in no way are they a cluster.
gamesbok 1 month ago
@gamesbok Coincidence? Bold claim considering how many times these "coincidences" happen throughout the Bible. In full context, God is asking Job if he can do it because he knows he can't. God is saying it is HIM who loosens Orion's belt. Try again.
MalakaiJ 1 month ago
@MalakaiJ ‘identify the gravitational structure of TWO star clusters.’ If you can’t remember your own argument there’s little point in talking to you.
gamesbok 1 month ago
@gamesbok If you think I can't remember my own argument when I quite clearly can there is little point in talking to you. Not unexpected from a fan of Pothler.
MalakaiJ 1 month ago
@MalakaiJ Actually I think you can remember your own argument(s). What you can't do is admit a mistake. It's not a question of intellect, it's a question of character.
gamesbok 1 month ago
@gamesbok "They are not gravitationally bound..." exactly my point.
MalakaiJ 1 month ago
@MalakaiJ - I never claimed there was no moral code. I believe our morales are the fruit of our evolution. Hence, being able to judge what is despicably immoral, I mentioned the god of the Bible, who is an embarrassment to morality, for all the reasons I mentioned and more.
I understand God more than you think; I was a preacher and an avid Bible student. I was on your side -- until my deeper studies brought me to reason and question my bias.
We can agree to disagree of course.
vincedeporter 1 month ago
@Walabinx People found hope, which Evolution cannot give us. People found salvation from sin, which Evolution cannot give us. What has Evolution given us? Immorality and a shed load of decreased sense of purpose and low intelligence. Great. Thank you for teaching us how to think for ourselves with your semantic tests and lies. Sorry buddy. I think I'll stick with the God who can save me over the demon that created your lies.
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ I mean no offense, but your views on this issue seem pretty juvenile. It’s as though during the course of your studies, you’ve only been looking at creationist material, while perhaps just glancing over data representing the opposing view. I anticipate this ‘conversation’ won’t get far, so allow me to part with a piece of advice (or two): The truth has nothing to fear from investigation, and you won't get closer to the truth by interpreting opposing viewpoints as “demon created lies.”
Walabinx 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ No, evolution has not given us salvation and hope. Funnily enough these things are not the only possible advantages of something. Evolution does not give us immorality, it explains where morality comes from. It also does not give us a decreased sense of purpose, for one thing it doesn't actually contradict the existence of God, only the creation story in Genesis and other religious texts. I can't see how it gives us low intelligence either.
Pirate44444 2 months ago
@Pirate44444 Evolution cannot explain morality. It is actually AMORAL, which is equivilent to immorality since it gives people the ability to come up with their own moral code, which people like Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin realised. Many people believe Evolution means we do not have purpose: we are here accidentally, hence why atheists have the highest suicide rate. Lower intelligence, I don't understand that one myself either, but it DID decrease the school aptitude in the U.S. (cont)
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ when it was introduced to the curriculum in a higher level.
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ Evolution does explain morality. Morals are obvious advantageous as they allow society to function more successfully. This is pretty obvious to anyone who understands evolution. Adolf Hitler did not believe in Evolution. Evolution is not an accident, so it does not suggest we are here "accidentally." More evolution-accepting countries have lower crime and suicide rates, better health, and more happiness. Watch Potholer's video on morality.
Pirate44444 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ Also there is no evidence that people who accept evolution have low intelligence, since practically every university in the world teaches evolution as fact, you can hardly say that professors at oxford, cambridge, harvard, yale, MIT, Stanford, PrincetonWarwick, ICL all have low intelligence.
There are vastly more college professors and students (globally) who accept evolution.
Pirate44444 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ "which people like Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin realized." Pathetic and Wrong. Evolution doesn't explain a lot of things in other scientific fields!
"Evolution means we do not have purpose" Fail - that's your opinion! My purpose just doesn't come from imaginary deities like yours supposedly does.
"Lower intelligence" Not when most scientists are atheist and have a higher intelligence!
mtbee9 2 months ago
now thats what i call sandbagging. well done potholer
kram83au 3 months ago
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music evolves does that disproof the artists?
food evolves does that disproof the chef?
Technology evolves does that disproof the creator?
we the humans evolve does that disproof God
gothicsoul100 3 months ago
@gothicsoul100 This depends on which god you're talking about and what kind of Evolution. It is true that humans change over time, which doesn't disprove any god, but it is not true that man evolved from ape-like ancestors. If it were found that we did it would prove numerous creation stories wrong because each of them state God made man, not that man was born to a non-man.
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ well i don't have a Religion fac1 1 the bible was not written by god and giving to man on a rambow fact 2 every culture from islands like hawaii to places like africa and europe even the native americans believe a higher power
gothicsoul100 2 months ago
@gothicsoul100 Correct, the Bible was not written by God and given to man on whatever a rambow is. The Bible was written by prophets and apostles as inspired by God. Yes, pretty much every culture believes in a sipernatural entity (save the atheistic ones), but that just makes it even more clear that it's true. The "aborigines" believe the flood and the Tower of Babel, therefore suggesting it happened. Whichever God it is, it is one similar to the Biblical God. Truth prevails.
MalakaiJ 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ sorry i have Dyslexia may bad i met to say the Bible was not written by God and given to man on rainbow
gothicsoul100 2 months ago
@MalakaiJ sorry i have Dyslexia may bad i met to say the Bible was not written by God and given to man on rainbow i think ppl shoud be believe a higher power but not tell other ppl how to live or put it in to law
gothicsoul100 2 months ago
@gothicsoul100 Oh. My apologies. I'm autistic myself. And there's one flaw in your logic. When you said people shouldn't tell other people how to live, you're telling people how to live. Also, the laws in the Bible are not man's laws, they're God's laws. That is why they are contrary to the beliefs at the time (E.G. blood was always drunk, but the Bible forbids it) and is VERY accurate (drinking blood is dangerous, and God knew it).
MalakaiJ 2 months ago