Why don't they have these things on nowadays, when Nu-hu really needs it? At the beginning she says it's too complicated (for her) = insult. Then at the end she says it's a children's show and that those young guys are too old for it = another insult. Choose one view or the other lady. Her insults contradict one another.
FOLK YOU CHRIS CHIBNALL!!! You sad excuse for a writer! How on Earth can he criticise Pip & Jane Baker and then turn around and write Frontios-rip-off Hungry Earth?
@LegoDaleks She's perfectly right, it's just a daft old kids show that mentally ill spastics like you take FAR too seriously, to the point you wish death on perfectly normal human beings who are just trying to entertain the masses. You are a thick, ungrateful little chav.
@ZipZagginGallifrey If anyone actually looks at the vids ZipZagginGallifrey comments on & what kinds of comments they are can clearly see that he or she is the mentally ill spastic who takes a daft of kids show (the Muppet reign of terror of nu-hu) FAR too seriously and also often wishes death on people.
I should be grateful for a rip-off of Frontios? Never!
And if the "kids show" is so daft and childish, why does she claim that it's too mentally challenging? She must be a simpleton.
Nice of these "fans" to support the show in its hour of need. At least Chibs has since recanted and says he was arrogant to go on a programme and complain about it.
Terror of the Vervoids was not complicated at all. It had a straight forward plot. It was an archtypal Dr Who story and the performances were fine. If these people have trouble working out the plot, I wonder how they felt watching Ghostlight.
Dr Who is less children's entertainment than Big Brother, Eastenders and Hollyoaks. 1985 season of Who was one of the most adult seasons it ever had.
I don't know why alot of people knock The Trial Of A Timelord I thought it was Colin Baker's finest hour but the best segmant from it I thougt was Mind Warp & The Ultamate Foe
God! If these geeks thought 'Terror of the Vervoids' was complicated (which it wasn't) bet they shit themselves when 'Time and the Rani' played out before their eyes!!
What's laughable about seeing this again is that Chris Chinbnall could be talking here about his own Dr Who stories. I listened to him and thought "he's describing 42 and that rubbish Silurian two-partner, isn't he?" I'd rather watch any of Colin Baker's stories over the dross he churns out.
What? the two part Silurian story was brilliant, it was just like a modern retelling of the original Silurian story, 42 was decent too, with an interesting concept behind it. He's done far better work on the series than the episodes written by RTD, although Torchwood isn't very good, Chris has done some pretty good work for Doctor Who.
That's just opinionated, lets guess, you're one of these RTD/ David Tennant lovers and are a Steven Moffat/ Matt Smith hater who has no valid reason behind your opinions, other than it is simply different, and don't talk down to me, as if you are right and I am wrong, that's just classic Troll behaviour!
@Timelord6661 Your guess is wrong. I'd take Moffat/Smith over RTD/Tennant any day of the week. But the Silurian two parter was some of the worst Doctor Who ever made. There wasn't a single new idea in it that wasn't completely awful. I wouldn't let Chibnall near the show again.
@LegoDaleks Chibnall stole a line out of it and created something that was unusually bad, even by new Who standards. The Silurians were shockingly awful as well.
@Timelord6661 42 got it's name from ReTarD who suggested to Chibnall that it should be in real-time, cuz otherwise it was to simplistic & boring.
Chris Chibnall just rips-off Fronios in Hungry Earth. He made an interesting concept, dull. the Silurian concept is better than anything in series 5, but Chibnall's 2-parter is seen by all as the worst part of the season -that's how bad he is. He also invents the poison-tongue for the Silur's, but they never use it, even after being disarmed by the Dr.
@dopeycat1 - his DW stuff is passable, albeit imperfect.
His Torchwood "stories", however, are utter dross. "Day One" (best left to wiki for that one) and "Cyberwoman" (I'll let wiki describe that one, too.)
I'm discovering classic Who and I'm just getting round to the Colin Baker years but a good example of "Being lost" and "not following" was the random radio DJ in the Dalek one. It was unneeded.
And a sign of a bad writer is "Oh if people can't follow then tough shit but we think they can even though we just had a large group people telling us they can't".
Fun fact: The guy in the yellow tie is writing for the current series. His episodes are usually the crap ones. Though he's getting better.
I don't know what specific episode they were talking about but I've seen a lot of the 7th doc adventures and other than that odd bit at the end of dragonfire that wasn't explained until years later, I didn't have trouble following any of it and I'm just a regular guy.
These guys are letting Pip & Jane off way too light. Their scripts were some of the worst ever used in the show.
John Nathan-Turner is a little harder to pin down. His first series (Tom Baker's last) was incredible, but by the time he'd cast Colin Baker it seems that quality control had nearly ceased to exist in almost every area of production. The show did start to improve by the end of Sylvester McCoy's era, but it was too little too late as far as the public was concerned.
This would have been awesome if a fight broke out between the writers and the nerds, jerry springer style! These are the people who put extra side bits on their glasses to keep the dust out. Like the WA Dr Who club...
Even the weakest of the original Dr Who canon are works of art compared to the trash Chibnall has pooped on us. Considering the Bakers had hardly any time to write episode 14 and weren't allowed to see Eric Saward's script which detailed how the overarching story in Trial of a Time Lord was supposed to end I think they did a good job. Certainly it was a lot better than the dismal '42'. Oh, and I think both Colin Baker's series are great.
CRAP I haven't finished watching all of season 2 Torchwood - did you just spoil the last episode!?! DANG I'm spoiled with all the good stuff on the web!
Hmmm...Trial of a Timelord was an interesting attempt to develop the self-reflexive style of Vengeance on Varos, where characters watching the Doctor on a screen are able to comment. "Can't we just have the edited highlights?" But tragically, behind the scenes troubles messed it up. Pip and Jane did their best with a tough assignment at the end. But bad WHO is better than good Torchwood any day!
Yikes! Yikes! Yikes! What an uncomfortable piece of television! I wouldn't want to be in the place of the fans, the writers, or even the audience. Whose idea was this? I feel sorry for poor Pip and Jane Baker. I actually preferred their joyfully insane, OTT writing to Eric Saward's.
Even though they are nerdy, that are absolutely right, Trial is a complete mess. Bob Holmes was supposed to write the episode but was ill and unfortunately died shortly afterwards. Eric Saward helped out with writing although by this time was sick of being script editor of DW and may explain why the whole story isn't particularly good. LOL @ the fans dogging out the story, when the writers are listening to everything they're saying!
Okay, so the new show isn't made for nerds or anyone else with a functioning brain cell... it also appeals to whiny bleached generation-Y bimbos. Fair enough...
Christ!Flippin' Pip and jane flippin' Baker . Who ya gonna employ JNT? Robert Holmes or Pip & Jane Baker . Eric Saward or Pip & Jane Baker? AAAAArrgh!and i LIKE season 23. Watt on friggin' earth!
Robert Holmes actually died while working on the script for the ending of the season and Pip and Jane were called in to write the final ep as an emergency, not because they were the best, but because they were reliable, available and could write a shootable script in a very short time. He needed it finished in a matter of about two days or something. "Talent" was not the priority!
Why don't they have these things on nowadays, when Nu-hu really needs it? At the beginning she says it's too complicated (for her) = insult. Then at the end she says it's a children's show and that those young guys are too old for it = another insult. Choose one view or the other lady. Her insults contradict one another.
FOLK YOU CHRIS CHIBNALL!!! You sad excuse for a writer! How on Earth can he criticise Pip & Jane Baker and then turn around and write Frontios-rip-off Hungry Earth?
LegoDaleks 3 months ago
@LegoDaleks She's perfectly right, it's just a daft old kids show that mentally ill spastics like you take FAR too seriously, to the point you wish death on perfectly normal human beings who are just trying to entertain the masses. You are a thick, ungrateful little chav.
ZipZagginGallifrey 2 months ago
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@ZipZagginGallifrey If anyone actually looks at the vids ZipZagginGallifrey comments on & what kinds of comments they are can clearly see that he or she is the mentally ill spastic who takes a daft of kids show (the Muppet reign of terror of nu-hu) FAR too seriously and also often wishes death on people.
I should be grateful for a rip-off of Frontios? Never!
And if the "kids show" is so daft and childish, why does she claim that it's too mentally challenging? She must be a simpleton.
LegoDaleks 2 months ago
Great Gallifrey, that hostess was a bitch! She was very rude and condescending to the fans , including a young Chris Chibnall.
DoctorPretorious616 7 months ago
Nice of these "fans" to support the show in its hour of need. At least Chibs has since recanted and says he was arrogant to go on a programme and complain about it.
AMANAPLANACAMERA 9 months ago
Terror of the Vervoids was not complicated at all. It had a straight forward plot. It was an archtypal Dr Who story and the performances were fine. If these people have trouble working out the plot, I wonder how they felt watching Ghostlight.
Dr Who is less children's entertainment than Big Brother, Eastenders and Hollyoaks. 1985 season of Who was one of the most adult seasons it ever had.
firstborn1988gorsaga 9 months ago
As said by Chris Chibnall, responsible for the classic Torchwood episodes 'Cyberwoman' and 'Day One'. Oh dear...
HypnoToad72 10 months ago
im shocked how lifeless the writers are..there clueless?
ndgreenaway 1 year ago
I don't know why alot of people knock The Trial Of A Timelord I thought it was Colin Baker's finest hour but the best segmant from it I thougt was Mind Warp & The Ultamate Foe
gallafey 1 year ago
God! If these geeks thought 'Terror of the Vervoids' was complicated (which it wasn't) bet they shit themselves when 'Time and the Rani' played out before their eyes!!
kamelion7 1 year ago
What's laughable about seeing this again is that Chris Chinbnall could be talking here about his own Dr Who stories. I listened to him and thought "he's describing 42 and that rubbish Silurian two-partner, isn't he?" I'd rather watch any of Colin Baker's stories over the dross he churns out.
dopeycat1 1 year ago
@dopeycat1
What? the two part Silurian story was brilliant, it was just like a modern retelling of the original Silurian story, 42 was decent too, with an interesting concept behind it. He's done far better work on the series than the episodes written by RTD, although Torchwood isn't very good, Chris has done some pretty good work for Doctor Who.
Timelord6661 1 year ago
@Timelord6661 The Silurian two parter was brilliant? Have a word, son. It managed to outlowlight the plastic Daleks shite.
JonathanBones 11 months ago
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Timelord6661 11 months ago
@JonathanBones
That's just opinionated, lets guess, you're one of these RTD/ David Tennant lovers and are a Steven Moffat/ Matt Smith hater who has no valid reason behind your opinions, other than it is simply different, and don't talk down to me, as if you are right and I am wrong, that's just classic Troll behaviour!
Timelord6661 11 months ago
@Timelord6661 Your guess is wrong. I'd take Moffat/Smith over RTD/Tennant any day of the week. But the Silurian two parter was some of the worst Doctor Who ever made. There wasn't a single new idea in it that wasn't completely awful. I wouldn't let Chibnall near the show again.
JonathanBones 11 months ago
@JonathanBones You're right. Chibnall just ripped=off Frontios. Check out my spoof of his episodes.
LegoDaleks 3 months ago
@LegoDaleks Chibnall stole a line out of it and created something that was unusually bad, even by new Who standards. The Silurians were shockingly awful as well.
JonathanBones 3 months ago
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@Timelord6661 42 got it's name from ReTarD who suggested to Chibnall that it should be in real-time, cuz otherwise it was to simplistic & boring.
Chris Chibnall just rips-off Fronios in Hungry Earth. He made an interesting concept, dull. the Silurian concept is better than anything in series 5, but Chibnall's 2-parter is seen by all as the worst part of the season -that's how bad he is. He also invents the poison-tongue for the Silur's, but they never use it, even after being disarmed by the Dr.
LegoDaleks 2 months ago
@dopeycat1 - his DW stuff is passable, albeit imperfect.
His Torchwood "stories", however, are utter dross. "Day One" (best left to wiki for that one) and "Cyberwoman" (I'll let wiki describe that one, too.)
HypnoToad72 10 months ago
Kids programme! How patronising, bloody cheek.
rodster6 1 year ago
Pip and Jane dont look they could write a episode of the sooty show, shame they didnt let the likes of Douglas Adams take the series on.
womblediehard 1 year ago
Good god where did they find these die hard fans from, they look like accountants.
womblediehard 1 year ago
I'm discovering classic Who and I'm just getting round to the Colin Baker years but a good example of "Being lost" and "not following" was the random radio DJ in the Dalek one. It was unneeded.
And a sign of a bad writer is "Oh if people can't follow then tough shit but we think they can even though we just had a large group people telling us they can't".
Fun fact: The guy in the yellow tie is writing for the current series. His episodes are usually the crap ones. Though he's getting better.
SuperSmasher1 1 year ago
I don't know what specific episode they were talking about but I've seen a lot of the 7th doc adventures and other than that odd bit at the end of dragonfire that wasn't explained until years later, I didn't have trouble following any of it and I'm just a regular guy.
MarquisWho 1 year ago
@MarquisWho they are talking about trial of a timelord
badhead 1 year ago
@badhead still don't see what's complicated. I understood it.
MarquisWho 1 year ago
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dalekwatcher 1 year ago
Pip's rockin' the Asimov, ain't he?
SteveRessel 1 year ago
These guys are letting Pip & Jane off way too light. Their scripts were some of the worst ever used in the show.
John Nathan-Turner is a little harder to pin down. His first series (Tom Baker's last) was incredible, but by the time he'd cast Colin Baker it seems that quality control had nearly ceased to exist in almost every area of production. The show did start to improve by the end of Sylvester McCoy's era, but it was too little too late as far as the public was concerned.
icemachine79 1 year ago
why does she talk to that guy at 1.30 like he's a little kid? Patronising bee-atch.
pufferfishish 1 year ago
This would have been awesome if a fight broke out between the writers and the nerds, jerry springer style! These are the people who put extra side bits on their glasses to keep the dust out. Like the WA Dr Who club...
yellowpete79 1 year ago
Are they from DwAS.
Someonehere say's it could have been more humorous. Well it wass funnier. That was one thing JNT had been odered to do with 23.
It occurs to me ththe amount of complaining maybe why the sow ended.
Ian DFownie suggested that no one did more to put the show into lap of fans. And people started going to far biting the hand that fed.
We certainly learned our lesson.
I was nly 9. and these guys might have ruined it.
loofyggahs 2 years ago
I've never seen such an Incredable bunch.
loofyggahs 2 years ago
Colin baker, decent costume, toned down, brilliant doctor!
Sadly shite costume, over the top, crap doctor!
th4397 2 years ago
Colin Baker was stitched up, could've been a great doctor!
JAYROX1969 2 years ago
I wonder if these guys are still watching and what they think of the series now.
Arnabas315 2 years ago
Pip and Jane's episodes were awful bollocks bad. They killed it. And JNT's panto approach didn't help. Tom Baker was from Liverpool - enough said.
shakeyphil 2 years ago
Even the weakest of the original Dr Who canon are works of art compared to the trash Chibnall has pooped on us. Considering the Bakers had hardly any time to write episode 14 and weren't allowed to see Eric Saward's script which detailed how the overarching story in Trial of a Time Lord was supposed to end I think they did a good job. Certainly it was a lot better than the dismal '42'. Oh, and I think both Colin Baker's series are great.
staffiedog44 2 years ago 3
Very true.
codyw1 2 years ago
Dear Mr Chibnall:
You're one to talk.
JohnnySquires42 2 years ago
@JohnnySquires42 Yeah. Torchwood, much?
SuperWolsey 1 year ago
It pains me when people think all Dr Who fans are like this,
staffiedog44 2 years ago 3
is the presenter a transexual or a man in a wig?
HGTB08 3 years ago
She really doesn't want people to like it does she? haha bless. She is great.
no9119 3 years ago
Oi! Chibnall! You killed my beloved Tosh , now I shall kill you!!!
MisterShazam 3 years ago
CRAP I haven't finished watching all of season 2 Torchwood - did you just spoil the last episode!?! DANG I'm spoiled with all the good stuff on the web!
Tanru2000 3 years ago
Oops...sorry . I've not ruined it all , though...
MisterShazam 3 years ago
02:42, silly monsters in "The Ultimate Foe", am I missing something?????
moonraker79 3 years ago
Jane's got Pip on a short leash, doesn't she?
TubularMonkey 3 years ago
Hmmm...Trial of a Timelord was an interesting attempt to develop the self-reflexive style of Vengeance on Varos, where characters watching the Doctor on a screen are able to comment. "Can't we just have the edited highlights?" But tragically, behind the scenes troubles messed it up. Pip and Jane did their best with a tough assignment at the end. But bad WHO is better than good Torchwood any day!
straker2 4 years ago
are these geniune fans off the street? they look like the after party hours of a maths class extras club
vegunited06 4 years ago 9
R.I.P Pattie Coldwell.
Great journalist
toadieisgod 4 years ago
Yikes! Yikes! Yikes! What an uncomfortable piece of television! I wouldn't want to be in the place of the fans, the writers, or even the audience. Whose idea was this? I feel sorry for poor Pip and Jane Baker. I actually preferred their joyfully insane, OTT writing to Eric Saward's.
hifithepanda 4 years ago 2
i agree a very uncomfortable piece of television indeed !!!
whosammut 4 years ago
People were writing for the show who didnt know anything about the series history which lead to its continued downfall up until 1989...
allyplumb 4 years ago
Even though they are nerdy, that are absolutely right, Trial is a complete mess. Bob Holmes was supposed to write the episode but was ill and unfortunately died shortly afterwards. Eric Saward helped out with writing although by this time was sick of being script editor of DW and may explain why the whole story isn't particularly good. LOL @ the fans dogging out the story, when the writers are listening to everything they're saying!
RuffneckPE 4 years ago
How the hell is it a kids program? I frekin hate that b!tch
Sharingonsandninja 4 years ago 2
Lol the fans are like nerdy, not nearly like that now.
Sharingonsandninja 4 years ago 3
Nerdy, Sharingonsandninja?
Okay, so the new show isn't made for nerds or anyone else with a functioning brain cell... it also appeals to whiny bleached generation-Y bimbos. Fair enough...
HypnoToad72 4 years ago 3
"It was very Cliched... lots of running up and down corridors and monsters....."
The whole plot of 42 was of running down corridors and getting through doors to get away from the monster!
I hated 42, but i liked Chris's Torchwood episodes.
NAFALL 4 years ago 2
Christ!Flippin' Pip and jane flippin' Baker . Who ya gonna employ JNT? Robert Holmes or Pip & Jane Baker . Eric Saward or Pip & Jane Baker? AAAAArrgh!and i LIKE season 23. Watt on friggin' earth!
georgi80a 4 years ago 3
Robert Holmes actually died while working on the script for the ending of the season and Pip and Jane were called in to write the final ep as an emergency, not because they were the best, but because they were reliable, available and could write a shootable script in a very short time. He needed it finished in a matter of about two days or something. "Talent" was not the priority!
straker2 4 years ago
Chris Chibnall, the guy who wrote "42" is the ginger guy with glasses
PDFandTRIPLEJ 4 years ago 3
Who isn't ginger in the new series?
HypnoToad72 4 years ago
why didn't they let the women in the front row have a say?
sadako24 4 years ago 2
That pathetic, narrow-minded, ugly, old, bitch of a hag presenter!!
Who is she???
borgduck 4 years ago 4
She was called Pattie Coldwell and died a few years ago.Guess she wasn`t into sci-fi.
tardisdrwho2007 4 years ago 2
Pity she died I could have got my revenge on the stupid cow!
borgduck 4 years ago 6
Ah well, he got to live his dream and write a Doctor Who story. I don't even know who she is...
But she wasn't that rude. Remember, Doctor Who wasn't always as trendy as it is now.
PS Those fellas didn't sound very scouse to me. The ald scowse accent's mucht shtronger now la! ;p
WahNoNamesLeft 4 years ago
they picked the most retarded fans to appear on the show just so they could trash it. and the women interviewing them belongs in a pit
Tardisrules 4 years ago 2
didn't one of these guys write for the new series
Tardisrules 4 years ago
One in the middle with the yellow tie is Chris Chibnall, who wrote "42".
Darren79 4 years ago