Ferrari F40 LM race car meets RUF CTR2sport street car

[TheMax478]

FERRARI F40 LM 782 cv ! IS FASTER !!! in U.S.A. vel. max. 387 km/h !

[EvoPorsche700]

I am a die hard Porsche guy and own a 2200lb/700hp 993 GT2 Evo replica (built on a 930 chassis) so I know how fast they can be . That said, something is off with that F40LM. The Ruf is an awesome car, but the power to weight ratio of a F40LM is far better. Maybe the F40LM was running at low boost because there is no way the Ruf should be able to pull past one like that.

[Albe983]

LOL no.. the ferrari wasn't pushing at all...

[Drednots]

Don't believe it. Sorry, but there is no way you would pass an LM like that if it was being pushed. I don't care if you are a porsche or ferrari fan. I like both but an LM has 700+ hp and LIGHT. You passed it like it was a Geo.

[highfencejumper]

Oh please, 99% of the f-40 Lm drivers cannot or will not drive their car anywhere near it's full potential.Don't get me wrong, Ruf doesn't play around when it comes to their super cars. Simply put, you beat the driver!

[BrundukasLT]

it's as same as i overtaked buggati veyron with my old suzuki swift :DDD

[MrLeovandermeer]

Did the F40LM give it all???

[haydensupra]

the guy in the f40 was reading the sunday mail and saw the ruf going by him and must have thought look at this nob flat out

[ogbrokebaby]

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[bekomach]

Ruf, all you know is the modified models of porsche. These cars are beast. Search for Ruf R Turbo 650 (base GT2 650HP), it even beats Ferrari 599 GTB F1 easily. (search the video on youtube)

You may ask about RUF CTR series. CTR series are the storngest models that ruf produced if I'm not wrong. Yellowbird beats the newest Ruf R 650.(you can find the video on youtube)

Thats why they've tested veyron against a RUF CTR...

[amenasce]

The Driver of the F40 LM is 75 ears old. Mr Caiola.

[SPECTER066]

I love Porsche... thats why I own one.. But its true.. a F40 will beat the RUF. I know all about the yellowbirds etc.. fast wicked porsche's, and today they are just getting better, but if you go back and look at some of the F40 LM heritage and racing records, you will know why the F50, then Enzo only kept getting better, and now with the Fxx series.. they are beasts. I have not seen any Rufs in any European racing events, nor in the LMS, ALMS or any SCCA events.

[sigsauer12]

True. It would have to be a private owner to do so (probably). However put it (ferrari)up against Porsches LMS series. Like the one Penske uses.

[amaff]

The RUF, at 90 miles per hour will easily pass the Ferrari doing 75... Without more video, it's hard to say if that F40 was being pushed at all.

[Alexhoning]

haha exactly, nice top gear reference! stupid ass video... that f40 lm would destroy this porsche, the guys just cruising having a ball! haha

[Ryan81M]

Not belittling RUF in any way, they are awesome cars and the CTR2 is a quick beast but no way in hell would it beat an F40 LM around a track. Just wouldn't happen. My guess is the driver of the F40 LM wasn't attempting to race the RUF.

[mazdaplz]

@Ryan81M

Capable of running from 0-60 mph in under 3.5 seconds and hitting a top speed in excess of 220 miles per hour (354 km/h), the CTR2 was one of the fastest production vehicles in the world, capable of performing on-par with Ferrari's F50 and Jaguar's XJ220. The one million dollar McLaren F1 was the only production car at the time which performed better under testing.

[Ryan81M]

I know, I don't doubt that at all. But the point I'm making is that the F40 LM has 780HP engine, can go from 0-60 in 3.1 seconds (some say 2.9) and has a top speed of 230mph.

You should see it in action with an F50GT in one of the youtube videos. In that one, you could see it was being driven full steam ahead. Not so in this video.

[mazdaplz]

true, you have a point, there is actually a speedometer on the bottom of the screen during the takeover and it was only at 100 miles per hour.

maybe it can't beat the ferrari version but it will be close in head to head! the acceleration of this car is like nothing i ever seen

[Ryan81M]

It would probably beat a standard F40 around a track. But the F40 LM (or Competizione as it is also known), no sir.

[sigsauer12]

That is close. Porsche has been beating cars with more horsepower and bigger engines for some time. They have the most wins out of any auto maker in the world. reliability and overall performance is ke to winning race That may be why porsche has the most wins at lemans. I never seen Ruf race in any series.

[GT4Videos]

This was in my, "Recommended For You" box!

[cintrabassfob]

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[chucksterrr]

and yes maybe STOCK f40 would not take the ruf ctr which is not by any means a stock car.but the f40 lm...i dunno....u cant even hear it getting to 4-5000rpm.....anyway that ctr is one good looking car too...i like them both altough i must admit i am a ferrari fan..but u gotta appreciate a cool sports car no matter the name:)cheers!

[chucksterrr]

the f40 wasn`t even close to being revved properly;)).i think both of the cars are incredible!however,u cannot compare an italian to a german.they`re different by nature.

[mrhemp3985]

ive riden in a stock 91 f40 and they are fast, but would not take a ctr2. On the other hand, a LM with 720 HP would make light work of the porsche if he tried. He was prob afraid of it

[v3rtic4L5miL3]

The ruf is great great car for sure...but TheF40 is awesome car and LM one is the damn beast of the road!!!

My POV: the Ferrari wasn't full throttle

At least the ruf "could" overtake him (for me no ), but nver so easly that's fucking impossible

[yellowbirdCTR]

Do you think a Ferrari 333SP could pull a F40LM? Are they both GT class cars or is the 333SP a prototype?

[v3rtic4L5miL3]

The F40 LM is already a prototype but the 333 SP is a full race car..

333 SP ~650HP for 850 Kg

F40 LM ~750HP for 1040 Kg

For a 1000m the F40 could be faster but it should be close.

On the other hand for a lap track i think the 333 SP is widely in front .....with the same driver in both cars.... That's very important for a good comparison :=)

[yellowbirdCTR]

I agree. Although I have only run against one true F40 LM, I have run with five different 333SPs, so I have a better feel for the SP's performance. I love the F40s and surprisingly fast, but I found the SP's to be more formidable.

[v3rtic4L5miL3]

that's great! all Ruf's and Ferrari's are Formidable... wonderful cars

[DEVASTATOR478]

@v3rtic4L5miL3 No comparison .I love F40 lm BUT F333 is a truly race car !

[400SA]

Straight line acceleration be damned, anyone that has road raced knows that setup into and out of the corner via brakes, grip and driver skill, is the key to accel on the straight and more important to your lap time than HP. I've passed cars faster/better than mine while leaving a corner for this reason and vice versa. There is no doubt if you get these two together on a long straight a real F40 LM would take it, if the Ferrari was even full on it in the vid.

[Kheops63]

The CTR2 Sport is a true beast, no doubt about it, the 993 basis is very well balanced on track (despite you must learn how it works) BUT and there is not doubt about this:

this is not a F40 LM and the driver is not giving the full gas, because, if yes, believe me, you would hear it! and the F40 has lot of torque: 580Nm, even if the CTR2 has more! The only big problem with the F40 is braking, as the turbo has no discharge and a big lag, you need to declutch! total waste of energy!

[yellowbirdCTR]

Yep, maybe the owner was boasting and maybe the other Ferrari owners and mechanics at this event don't know a std from a LM, but these were the people at this event along with the FCA Empire region event organizer all talking about the merits and history of this F40LM. It's a small world in FCA circles, and they tend to know whats authentic and whats not. All I know is that I had run with several std F40s before and this one - std or LM - was much faster than the rest.

[yellowbirdCTR]

I dont know the peak torque nor the torque curve of the F40LM (or the std for that matter). Is the 580Nm (428 ft lbs) of torque youre quoting for a std?

[yellowbirdCTR]

The RUF CTR2sport has 780Nm (575 ft lbs), and more importantly, it's torque curve is virtually linear through the entire working RPM range. I recall that this F40LM relied on one big turbo, so it just could not compete coming out of corners against RUF's small twin turbos that are designed to spool up very quickly. Matched to RUFs linear torque curve (that is strong low in the RPM band) and coupled with short gears and 4 feet of rubber the RUF is very quick out of the corners.

[Kheops63]

There is no doubt a Ruf is quick out of corners, it is a Posche quality, thanks to rear engine, I also know the linear torque curve, but if it is very important on twisty roads, it is not on track! and the F40 is V8 2.9 Twin Turbo (IHI ones): 480hp at 7000rpm and 59Mkg at 4000rpm (it gives you 3000rpm of potential) on standard and about 720hp and 71mkg on LM Edition.

For information, you have an enormous carbon extractor and a carbon wing on the LM one.

[billysscorpion]

the f40 could beat that ruf toy car with the reverse gear

[Pulsar93]

haha nice....besides maybe the f40 driver was only at half throttle?

[RotorRian]

Just cause a F40 has the LM Wing doesn't make it a F40 LM.

your dreaming if you think you could take a take a genuine F40 LM.

f40 LM = 1050kg/760bhp

CTR2 = 1350kg/520bhp

f40 = 1200kg/478bhp for the record.

[yellowbirdCTR]

Yep, you might be right. Its possible that the F40 owner embellished in saying his was an LM, and maybe the other FCA members at this club track event were incorrect in confirming that it was indeed a F40 LM.

[yellowbirdCTR]

Even though it is a popular form of bench-racing, the problem with boiling down a comparison to just a weight to horsepower ratio is its frequently an inaccurate predictor of reality when two cars actually hit the track. Torque is a better measure of performance than HP, and the torque curve over the working rpm range (vs. just peak torque at a given rpm) is an even better measure.

[yellowbirdCTR]

For example, the RUF CTR2sports torque curve is high and virtually flat over its working RPM range is virtually flat (i.e., generates 575 ft lbs of torque from 5,000 rpm through 6,000+ rpm).

[yellowbirdCTR]

But so much more goes into performance than just weight and power. Think of all the other elements such as tires, gearing, aero, suspension, brakes, brake cooling, rotational mass, unsprung weight, etc. and the trade-offs each entails. For example, a stiffer suspension can help in cornering but hurt in braking and even in acceleration.

[yellowbirdCTR]

. Each decision involves a compromise, so the challenge and fun is to think through the hundreds of set up choices/compromises, test to the extent you can, and arrive at a comprehensive set up that you believe yields the lowest lap time for qualifying with strengths that enable you to pull off passes for position during a race.

Isnt that one of the prime reasons we race?

[stigissimo44]

First of all, there were only 19 Ferrari F40 LMs made, so if I owned one, I would not take it out and run it like a madman on a simple track day. Seems to be the case here. Also, Ruf didn't make the CTR2 from scratch. It's a modified Porsche.

[yellowbirdCTR]

I am with you on that. There are only 16 CTR2sports and its insurance does not cover it when it is on a track, so - as you would - I don't run it like a madman regardless if it's a simple track day or a real race.

[stigissimo44]

Hehe i catch your drift. Sorry, i still gotta stick with my fav the F40 lm. Sweet car you got there though.

[Luger911]

Ruf rules! German cars rules! German engineering rules!

[misegades]

Not trying to start anything here, as I love both cars being discussed. Just, keep in mind that there is a good chance that the F40 LM was built to race rules and specifications, whereas the RUF street car had no such standards to abide by....just pointing that out.

[yellowbirdCTR]

That's an excellent point. Consider which is more restrictive - building a race car to comply with the Le Mans GT rule book vs. building a street car to comply with DOT regulations plus buyer expectations for the creature comforts.

[Nozferat]

I can't believe you think your Ruf will actually out-accelerate an LM....

It's very evident from the video that you got on it and he didn't....simple as that.

[452485]

So you've overtaken a 478 hp Ferrari F40 with a 600 hp RUF. No big mystery.

[yellowbirdCTR]

You're right that pulling a standard F40 is no issue for the RUF. This happened to be a F40 LM which raced in the GT class at Le Mans and has a bit more horsepower...and more importantly, more torque than the standard F40.

[3L3CTR0static]

Uhm you ever heard of a f40 LM? it has lil bit more than 750hp so... I think the ruf is absolutely mind blowing passing such a car ;). German engineering thats all I can say guys

[zemurph]

750 bhp would not be allowed near le mans. I think you are talking about the F40 competizione, different car altogether. 600 bhp is the limit for LMP1 and GT1 class

[mdio]

YUPY! I want a RUF... they even made a music! the ruf, the ruf is on fire... lol

Ok take de ruf, and let me have de F40 LM. :P

[jorg1s1]

Maybe the RUF is faster than the F40, but I really don't think that the driver of the F40 drove as fast as he can (or maybe he did, but is not a good race driver)...

[yellowbirdCTR]

Agreed. I've got some good in-car of this RUF running with 333SPs that were well driven that I've got to edit and post.

[jonysuave]

go ahead. i am crazy to see that. and i tell you by now that i dont believe that a car built to race le mans will get passed by a ruf street spec...

[lil50money]

f40 was driving slow

[yellowbirdCTR]

Perhaps, after all, the F40LM ran Le Mans in the GT class. But also consider that the Porsche 962 ran in the higher Prototype class at Le Mans and this very same RUF could hang with the 962s during an actual race - with 962s driven by type-A personality driver/owners who were not driving slow - at the high-speed track of Daytona (see video responses). If this RUF can hang with prototypes, is it not conceivable that it could out run a GT car such as the F40.

[0wnerer]

Do a little reading and you would be surprised at what a RUF can do (other comments) , great video. I love watkins glen.

[skinnymilk]

woah

[ilyrfe]

I guess that what we need is another video of a drag race between these two cars... But I have the feeling that we will never be satisfied...

[phi666gr]

got torque? yea the same with the 959 so when you learn about cars make a commercial its like you make fun of a 959 got it?

[ghiodora]

Have you ever heard about this word?

It's called:

TURBO-LAG!!!

The Ferrari will out run this car by miles on a track

[bradboyhere]

Langener...AGREED! anybody can make a quick track car....look at ariel atom? A good laugh but every day? Na. and it is modern not as you stated 20 years old. F40, what a car!

[LANGENER18]

that is to be compared laughful a brand-new GET down (call) CTR2 (Orginal 911) with one 1987 Ferrari F40 (Orginal not LM) and exactly the same as wirde I a Marco's with a mini compares

[yellowbirdCTR]

I am not sure of your point, but it appears you are taking issue with a RUF being compared to an old F40 LM. The RUF was built in 1997 and runs in historic/vintage races and I believe that that F40LM was built in 1991 or there abouts. Today the RUF, as street car, races in the Prototype class while the F40LM runs in the GT class, so on that basis, perhaps its not a fair comparison.

[Mitsimad]

Are you kidding me? It takes two people to race, not just a enthusiastic porsche amature

[ilyrfe]

Please! The f40 driver was simply having a blowjob and forgot to floor the throttle. The f40 is simply THE fastest racing production car of its category. there is no ruf or what so ever!

[yellowbirdCTR]

You said it - "of its category" - so consider that the best lap time posted at Le Mans by a F40 LM is 3:55.69 back in 1995, pretty good for a GT car. The best lap time posted by a Porsche 962 in the prototype class is closer to 3:15. So if this RUF CTR2sport could run with Porsche 962s (see response vids) would you not consider it possible it could pull a GT class car such as the F40 LM?

[ilyrfe]

I know that you're right, but I love the f40 series TOO MUCH to admit that there are "better cars"... ;) However, its honor is saved, because if the yellowbird has been built to beat the f40, the f40 has been built to be just what it is... a legend. YEAH!

[ilyrfe]

One last thing foes, how the hell is that yellowbird fast to overtake an f40 as if the f40 driver was having a blo.....??!!

[JuergenGDB]

Basicaly the F40 was the first 200mph production car. Porsche...(Cough) I mean Ruf, said screw this lets make the YELLOW BIRD. It beat out F40... That is not to say the F40 is slow, or the LM or GTE, the Porsche Ruf CTR2 was made to beat the F40, no other goal was made... and Ruf completed that goal with the CTR2 Yellow Bird.

[JuergenGDB]

The YellowBird was built in 1987, I still have the R&T issue. The Porsche was amazing, 1100kg, 0-60 in 4.0 sec, and had a better top speed then the 959 and F40 at 211mph. Even though it only had 469bhp. The F-40 is still one of my favorite Ferrari's, and the LM and GTE versions are sweet. I believe the hp rating for them were around 680hp. and I was only comparing the yellow bird to the stock F40.

[quik4ever]

just because the guy in the ferrari stop pushes the right pedal ...

[DeanoTheLegend87]

I can only guess the driver of the F40LM was being abit limp-wristed.

The F40LM was the car in Mid-90's GT racing which was racing against the (Then) brand new McLaren F1 LM's, and the F40's could more than hold there own against a car that was about 7-8 years newer.

[iwkyall]

OOO i have somthing that might be fun to add in. I have a frend that Worked at Ruf and he sead there is no way its going to take out a LM from the fractory.

[iwkyall]

Infact i jest thought of something. That same frend of mine that worked a Ruf posted a video about a year ago on this site. You might have seen it already since you such a Ruf nut. Its him and hes german frend in a R Turbo on the autobahn at night. They hit 208mph befor backing down. My buddy was the camera man. You should check it out.

[iwkyall]

The video name is (A Ruf R turbo on the autobahn.....200mph) ok. I think that the driver is the son of a head of SEAMENS World Wide. At lest thats what my frend told me... If i remember right that is. It was a year ago.

[iwkyall]

One more thing i took a good look at that CTR and it is far from all stock and thats y it may be faster. I still got my money on the LM

[yellowbirdCTR]

It's a stock CTR2sport and the only thing modified is the 3/4" wicker bill (Gurney strip) on top of the rear wing (just a piece of angle aluminum from my local Ace hardware store polished up). Everything else is "as delivered" from RUF straight off the options list for that model.

[iwkyall]

Ill tell you what. I live in NJ on the northern end. The glen is jest a hop skip and a jump from my house. You let me know when and if your going back. Then you can show it to me live. Hell of you like Ill ride with you, its got two seats.

[yellowbirdCTR]

I'd enjoy that, and I bet you will too. Yep, she's got two seats.

[iwkyall]

Ooo hell yes i would lol.

[iwkyall]

A good driver can make a peace of shit fast and a shit driver can make a race car slow. Im sorry man you not going to sway me. Your going to need better then a Rennsport Reunion race to prove that to me.

[yellowbirdCTR]

True,a good driver can get the most out of a slow car, but no matter how good he is, a slow car is still going to be slow. Our debate centers primarily on acceleration,and there is not a whole lot of skill involved pushing the right foot down.

[iwkyall]

That true But the corner is where that key to exit speeds lie and thats all driver my man

[yellowbirdCTR]

I can't agree with you there in terms of driver talent. Corner entrance speed and mid-corner speed is what separates the good from the great. It's all over by the exit; by then it's just throttle management.

[yellowbirdCTR]

In terms of car, you are spot on as I assume you are referencing quickness out of a corner. Quickness out of a corner is more important than top speed at the end of a straight. This concept is off the radar screen of most outside of motorsport (and drag racers know this better than anyone).

[yellowbirdCTR]

For example, some guy bolts on a huge turbo and loves the resulting bump in his dyno numbers. Sure enough, his top speed at the end of the straight enjoys a big bump as well...but his lap times are slower. The bigger the turbo, the less responsive (slower to spool up) which hits him where it hurts the most, launching out of each corner.

[iwkyall]

the other big thing that you are missing. In a rennsport race most of the people that drive are eather A over the hill pro's B guys like you and C every once in a blue moon a pressent day pro. The driver of the RUF my be much better then most of the others. Its a 50 / 50 split car to drive.

[yellowbirdCTR]

As for Rennsport, you can postilate about which drivers where good and bad, trying and coasting, but set all that aside. Look at the RUF's lap times at Daytona: a 1:55 lap by a ten year old car with a tired old engine driven conservatively (there are just 16 of these cars in the world after all)by an over the hill amateur (and soon to be grandpa no less)without testing and without a factory crew (or any crew by that matter)isn't anything to shake a stick at.

Good discussion - thanks!

[iwkyall]

You know that you got to take it eazy on the guy. I jest got the kids from soccer pratice and theres no passanger seat and hes on the way to the food store.

[mosspower1]

thge F40 dosent got a tc and it worth millions of us dollars so he's not pushing

[yellowbirdCTR]

The RUF is ten years old and doesn't have track control either. Perhaps the F40 owner likes going to tracks just to do parade laps, so maybe he was not trying. The F40LM ran in Le Mans in the GT class while the Porsche 962 ran in and dominated the higher Prototype class. Watch the response video and explain to me how the RUF could run with the 962 prototypes.

[iwkyall]

The sanctioning body put the RUF in the prototype class becouse, that car is NOT... a racing car. Its dident fit the regulations to be in tha GT class. Its a street car and not your normal one eather. there for the best place of it would be best placed in the P1 class of cars, and if you are telling me that that car is clicking off time as fast as a P962 you are on something good and i want it.

[yellowbirdCTR]

Nope, the sanctioning body had no problem putting the RUF with in the GT class with all the other Porsche production based race cars. That is just what it did at the start of the race weekend, but after the first day they deemed the speed differential of the RUF to be unsafe (too fast). As such, they moved the RUF up to the Prototypes because the RUF's lap times were on par with that race group of 962s and 934s.

[yellowbirdCTR]

When a race organizer has some car that does not fit into existing race groups, the last thing they are going to do is slot it with the fastest (and most valuable historic) race cars if it means it going to be a moving chicane. I don't think this was the case as the RUF qualified 15 out of 65 Porsche prototypes.

[iwkyall]

You do know that in that form of racing. In a points race that all of the P1 and most of the GT class cars are on the track at the same time. Its the way its been done for years. The P1 car always get stuck behind them in the turns. So if what your saying makes no sence.

[iwkyall]

Every one that i have talked to sead there is no way that the RUF can beat that LM jest thoght you would like to know my buddy rob laff hes but off when i asked him.

[yellowbirdCTR]

I believe it. At the last two Rennsport Reunions, many a 962 driver where shaking their heads in disbelief as we talked on the pre-grid. The guy that won the race this year laughed as he had seen the RUF driving about town the night before, and said he would have never believed it if he had not seen it (and he had a front row seat).

[yellowbirdCTR]

Then ask yourself why the sanctioning body put the RUF, a street car that drove to and from the hotel during the event, was put with in the prototype race and not down in the GT race.

[mosspower1]

look on the stats belower

[iwkyall]

Ferrari's 3.0L V-8 with bigger then production twin-turbochargers at about 38lbs of boost, compression increased to 8.0:1, bigger intercoolers, race tuned = 760bhp Vs. Porsha's 3.2L (made to a 3.6L) Flat-6 twin-turbo intercooled engine. tuned for the street. When your car is 700lbs more and has 240bhp less. Torgue mean very little and the proof. RUF CTR2 0-60 3.5sec and a top speed of 217mph. F40 LM 0-60 3.1sec and a top speed of 229mph.

[yellowbirdCTR]

You are right in that peak torque (torque at a given RPM) means little, but the torque means everything. On a track, neither 0-60 nor top speed are meaningful as its all about corning speed and quickness out of a corner and for quickness, torque rules.

[iwkyall]

But, your jest shoting you self in the foot by saying that. Becouse the LM not only has more bhp but more torque as well. I dident say that becouse there are mix stats on what it realy is. Buy iv heard heard as high as 640 ft-lbs. realy the only way you can pass that car like that is it not being driven right, Im sorry but thats the facts and they realy don't lie.

[yellowbirdCTR]

You've heard a peak torque number, you've got to look at the total torque curve

[iwkyall]

As for the Torgue curve good luck finding a dino chart. But Im willing to bet that the curve come on late and strong. Remember that magic # 5252 at that RPM the bhp and torque are the same. That sead the car must have torque in the high RPM range. Its a turbo car after all.

[iwkyall]

I know that 0-60 and top-end on a track are not relovent. But the lighter the car is in unsprung wate, faster you can corner. The RUF 3045lbs and the LM is 2314lbs. There for that ferrari's got it in the corner

[iwkyall]

And one more thing to think about the tires are way bigger on the LM, the suspention is track only setup, and the wheel base is much wider as well. I love the CTR2 its a grate car but its no LM man. lol I think your being byest becouse the cars yours... you lucky !@$#... wish i had one. lol

[yellowbirdCTR]

RUF has 11" wide tires in front, 13" wide tires in rear. Are the LMs bigger?

[iwkyall]

o ya down force, the LM has an air spliter in the front, adjustable rear wing in back and farrings and air diffusers on the underbody (to keep the air valosity high under the car) all to keep thows big meats planted to the ground. Down force also adds to your cornering speed. All things the RUF dosnt have. But its still a sweet ride. \m/

[yellowbirdCTR]

RUF has a front splitter and the top wing of the rear bi-wing is adjustable.

I agree, if you are bench racing, the smart bet is on the LM, but stats aren't always right in predicting real life performance.

[iwkyall]

Im also willing to bet that the torque is on the up slop a 5252RPM becouse the blower are jest starting to realy work around there. Turbo cars have a nice fast slop to there bhp and torque curves and hold that hight till the turbie and compressor wheel along with the case start to move passed there peak effect. then the power slowly tappers off.

[iwkyall]

I did not know that the CTR2 had a splitter and an adjustable rear wing that cool. One thing i do know is that the tire on the production F40 are 9 1/4 " front and 13 " rear and that the LM had custom tire sizes. I can't tell you that size its hard to find. But I would take a gess a 15" or so rear and 10 to 12" to the front.

[evojoerocks]

There are only 27 Ruf CTR 2 sportcars in the world and they run like hell.

[zemurph]

what a load of bullshit

[yellowbirdCTR]

Unbelievable, perhaps! Bullshit, no! In trying to explain how a 1997 RUF street car can pull a 1995 F40 LM, people posting to this site have speculated that the LM driver wasn't trying, wasn't racing, was on cool-down laps during both passes, wasn't pushing it, or was an old driver (as the driver of the RUF, I'm no spring-chicken myself). Maybe they are right.

[yellowbirdCTR]

The best lap time posted at Le Mans by a F40 LM is 3:55.69 back in 1995, pretty good for a GT car. The best lap time posted by a Porsche 962 is closer to 3:15. So if the RUF CTR2sport could run with Porsche 962s (a car that dominated the top prototype class at Le Mans for a decade), would you consider it possible, if not likely, it could pull a GT class car such as the F40 LM?

[yellowbirdCTR]

The RUF never ran Le Mans, but it did race in a field of twenty plus 962s at Rennsport Reunion II at Daytona. The race organizers first put the RUF the GT race group, and after the first day, they re-classed the RUF out of GT and into the Prototype race...see video responses above.

[yellowbirdCTR]

Now maybe all 21 962 drivers were old and slow, maybe they all weren't trying, maybe those were all parade laps? I've raced with the Prototypes at many a HSR race, and these are passionate owners, but they drive just the way I do, hard but not over our heads, with respect for our fellow competitors. We tend to be of similar ages, similar experience, similar motivation/restraint, and neither of us have the benefit of factory pit crews, so the playing field is rather level.

[30hourpunch]

The f40 lm, well lets just say he wasn't pushing it. That car is extremely rare and you would not want to risk hurting the car.

[rsxkindaguy]

Im Sure a CTR2 is no walk in the park at the glen either. And what kind of driver assist do you that that car has??

[rocco883]

because the ferrari wasn't pushing. stop

[fookfocketyfookfook]

Complete and utter bollocks. To answer your question the f40 has got enough torque to blow your tiny mind out your arse.

[BubblesTroubles]

or, the ferrari wasn't pushing in that corner cause it's worth 9 times the cost of the porsche.

[the5thdominion]

The F40 LM is a racecar and has (just like the F40) WAY fewer assists for the driver than the RUF, so it takes a true professional to bring out its potential. This is just one segment of the track anyway. If you were to run these cars over the course of an hour or 2 (or 24, as the LM was designated such to run at the 24 Hours of Le Mans), the Ferrari would OWN the Ruf, hands down.

[the5thdominion]

Besides, the Ferraris pictured here aren't truly racing head-to-head. This is clearly a vintage/reunion event, so the cars are not being pushed to their limits in the interest of not crashing or wearing out a piece of history. Furthermore, the F40 LM has air restrictors, something the Ruf doesn't. The Ruf would choke if it had to deal with an air restrictor of comparable size to the LM's. Even so, the F40 LM still turned out a variable 720-800hp!

[the5thdominion]

The Ruf may have the linear torque curve advantage, but keep in mind not only is it not as heavily restricted, but the Ruf is a newer car. This is important to keep in mind, as the F40 LM was a great car considering that it set the fastest speed and lap time at the 24 Hours of Le Mans in 1995, ahead of the McLaren F1 LM's despite being a car that was almost 10 years old. The Ruf has technology galore compared to the Ferrari shown here.

[ricciulino]

yes, you're right!

[carrierform]

hey its ruff, you play with my dad's 333 a lot at poconos

[telepichi]

go porsche ...

[pFhUCKpFhACE]

hahaha...what a great way to sell Ruf Porsches, no matter what the actual circumstances of this particular track day were. And, damn...to have *any* of those cars...the Ruf, F40, or the 512BB...haha, I'd be at the track with them as often as possible too!! nice video!

[Sheeezus]

I refuse to believe a F40 LM could be passed so easily... Maybe he wasn't accelerating fully? F40 LMs are really loud cars, so you should have been able to hear it if it was full throttle. Meh, what do I know?

[1bangkok2]

what a video...Ok I´m no ferrari fan at all. But i think here is something wrong. The F40LM must be faster but? Here is a video too, which shows a ruf-porsche faster than a porsche 962 group C. But some guys here are wright: it is not the car, it is the driver who is faster.

[amenasce]

If you think a Ruf can keep up with an F40 LM,both being driven by competent drivers, you are kidding yourself.

[fx76]

lol funny video what a load of bollocks, the F40LM would piss over ANY LM porsche no problem...END OF.

[McLarenMercedes]

You kids know zip.A amateur driver won't be able to use half the capabilities of the F40.Even F1 drivers say it's a car that requires a professional driver.Put Schumacher in an old Ferrari Testarossa and yourself in the F40LM.He'd win easily even if he has a car nowhere near as fast as the F40.He can brake later,corner much faster and know the limits of the car.And did it occur to you morons this might be a gentleman race where they do not race flatout?

[lexmarkmaxell]

Oh and 760 horsepower(especially turbo) in the powerband wins over 650-700) pound feet of torque (CTR2 has 502)

[lexmarkmaxell]

wow...whoever made this vid is a fanboy of porsche.

1.A standad f40 can keep up easily with the CTR2-sport

2.f40 LM 760hp min -900hp

=no chance in hell f40 LM was racing

[mijarand]

Porsches are for Reps

[pilotswife01]

A simple example. Ruf (roof) is to Porsche like Saleen is to a Ford Mustang. A Ruf will tear anything ferrari has ever made. Rufs and Porsche are drivers cars...ferraris are for posing.

[Earl813]

The thing to remember is.... THE DRIVER! some of the best drivers in the world race spec miata...

The Car might be fast but the guy driving it is what matter. For Example notice the F40 isnt even at the apex nor does he track out all the way.

[invstor17]

The Ruf CTR released ten years earlier was faster than a road going F40, you may not have noticed that the car in this video is a CTR 2 Sport, which has over 120 hp more than the original CTR, and more importantly, is packing 550 lb-ft of torque, 50 more than even the F40 LM. That huge torque may come in handy when say... exiting a turn and passing

[BADMIHAI]

Come on, guys. The Ferrari wasn't racing. The RUF might be faster than a regular F40 but no way in hell faster than an F40 LM. Those packed in over 700 bhp and were frigging race cars. The RUF might pass a regular F40 but it would be pulling very slowly from it, not blowing its doors off. F40 LM? Forget it, RUF.

[invstor17]

Tour of the circuit huh? I guess that's why the F40 was all over the a** of the BB on the first lap. Give credit where it's due, the Ruf square blows his doors off. The CTR2 is just an awesome car, and I'd take one over an F40 any day.

[yellowbirdCTR]

Example: Road & Track stated in a recent issue that the new RUF Rt12 (the sucessor to the CTR2 featured in this video) is the quickest car they have ever tested, quicker than the EZNO and Carrera GT.

[yellowbirdCTR]

Ruf is perhaps the foremost tuner of Porsche that has gone one step further. Back in 1981,it obtained its Manufacture certification and starting with a bare 911 chassis creates their own models. RUF makes perhaps 20 cars per year and they are DOT and EPA approved as RUF cars and are registered, titled, and licenced as RUF cars. They appeal to enthusiasts who understand and appreciate performance as RUF cars are not cheap they rip.

[Dante1969]

What is a ruf????

It is a Porsche!!

Chinese copyed those also??

[italychamp]

the ruf was racing...the f40 did a tuor of the circuit...it's the only reason because the ruf appears faster!

[nagmashot]

The RUF "yellow bird" won a high speed battle at the Nardo highspeed testtrack in Italy vs the Ferrari F40 and the Porsche 959 many years ago, at the time F40 and Porsche 959 were the most modern supercars avaible...

[99999999999999999931]

either the RUF was faster or the F40 was driving hard. either way everyone in the WORLD would take the F40!