Ah, the topic of grace. I don't disagree with the concept of common grace. However I might possibly disagree with certain individuals interpretation of what they think is meant by common grace. Then again, I fear that some people may define grace to narrowly. Let me close with this - "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men" - Titus 2:11 - God desires the salvation of all men - 1 Tim 2:3-4
Calvin makes it clear in His Commentary on Ezekiel 18:23 that God does not wish the conversion of the reprobate. Calvin writes… ‘Since, therefore, repentance is a kind of second creation, it follows that it is not in man’s power; and if it is equally in God’s power to convert men as well as to create them, it follows that the reprobate are not converted, because God does not wish their conversion; for if he wished it he could do it: and hence it appears that he does not wish it.’
/// Calvin makes it clear in His Commentary on Ezekiel 18:23 that God does not wish the conversion of the reprobate ///
When Calvlin says that, he is referring not to God's "Benevolent" will, but His DECRETIVE will.
God does not DECRETIVELY wish that the reprobate come to repentace (He has not "decreed" it to be), but when God says "Turn to Me ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH AND BE SAVED", He clearly shows a "desire" that all be saved. - a "benevolent" desire.
Here is an example of the gospel preaching of Martyn Lloyd Jones - "He is here tonight offering Himself and His salvation to you. Yield yourself to Him. Listen to Him. Follow Him. Obey Him. The way to God and to heaven are open in Him in spite of all your sin and shame. He came, He lived. He died. He rose again for you" (Martyn Llyod Jones - Old Testament Evangelistic Sermons - pages 56-57 - edited by Iain Murray).
What do you have to say about this blasphemous nonsense doctorh2005?
/// Martyn Llyod Jones - Old Testament Evangelistic Sermons - pages 56-57 - edited by Iain Murray).... What do you have to say about this blasphemous nonsense doctorh2005? ///
I am not going to take what you typed at face-value, I'm going to purchase that book to see the context in which it appears.
@doctorh2005 Martyn Lloyd Jones' evengelical appeals are blasphemous and border on arminianism. This is the fruit of common grace and the free offer. It must be very embaressing for you to have to endorse and promote men who teach such unbiblical lies. When I present what they say, you refuse to comment and then say you have to buy the book for a fuller context. It says what it says!
/// This is the fruit of common grace and the free offer ///
Actually thats not true at all. John Murray, for example, who wrote much on the subject doesnt even once imply that. You clearly dont have a correct understanding of the Free Offer - and I can say that because I have done much study on the subject (no offense)
What are you going to do with all the verses which show God "desiring" something that He had not decreed to happen? Your "theology! cannot account for them
/// When I present what they say, you refuse to comment and then say you have to buy the book for a fuller context. ///
And any other honest person seeking to know truth would do the same. If you are going to make a claim against someone, the other person needs to know if you are cherry-picking things out of context or not.
Have you actually read that book "Old Testament Evangelical Sermons"??? or are you simply quoting secondary source info from a website??
@doctorh2005 My point is that when/if you get the book you will see that the quote says what it says and is in no way taken out of context. It is an evengelical appeal by Lloyd Jones. Why'll you're in the habit of ordering books, may I recommend "Free Will, Free Grace and the Free Offer" by J.H. Gosden. We just added a review to our website. Also have you read "Hyper-Calvinism and the Call of the Gospel" by David J. Engelsma? you can order a copy through CPRF of Ballymena, Northern Ireland.
/// may I recommend "Free Will, Free Grace and the Free Offer" by J.H. Gosden..... "Hyper-Calvinism and the Call of the Gospel" by David J. Engelsma ///
What Scriptural evidence does they produce to refute the Free Offer of the Gospel??
All the so-called "Scriptural evidence" I've seen so far is nothing but "Straw Man" fallacies.
@doctorh2005 "What Scriptural evidence does they produce to refute the Free Offer of the Gospel?"
You can NOT equate the "Free Offer of the Gospel" with the theological nonsense that God LOVES the reprobate and desires the reprobate's salvation (even though God Himself predestined the reprobate to hell.) It WILL NOT fly theologically.
Scriptures ripped out of context and twisted to support this fantasy. It is the same sort of BLIND eisegesis used by open theists who think God changes His mind!
/// My point is that when/if you get the book you will see that the quote says what it says and is in no way taken out of context. It is an evengelical appeal by Lloyd Jones. ///
You didnt answer my question - "Have you actually READ the book, or did u get it from secdonary info from a website?"
@doctorh2005 I did not get the quote from a secondary source on a website. By the providence of God I came acorss it when working on a book review for our website just hours before I began to correspond with you.
"The mercy of God is [BENEVOLENTLY] offered equally TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE 'AND' TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE NOT, so that those who are not Divinely taught within are rendered inexcusable"
[JOHN CALVIN: "The Eternal Predestination of God" (1552)]
"He [BENEVOLENTLY] invites to Himself BOTH THE REPROBATE 'AND' THE ELECT IN COMMON; but the former, by their ingratitude, defraud themselves of this inestimable blessing."
"It is true that Saint John saith generally, that [God] loved the world. And why? For JESUS CHRIST [BENEVOLENTLY] OFFERETH HIMSELF generally TO ALL MEN WITHOUT EXCEPTION TO BE THEIR REDEEMER"
[JOHN CALVIN: Sermons on Deuteronomy]
Looks like you got a problem.... Calvin himself believes in the Free Offer aswell!
@doctorh2005 Let us suppose that Calvin believed the same false doctrine as you. How would that give me a problem? You sound like such a little kid. It would merely make Calvin as wrong as what you are. I feel sorry for you. Running around trying to find a quote here and there of certain men to try and hide behind. Tha fact is your free offer and common grace blasphemy is found nowhere in the Word of God. You even quote the arminian Kirk Cameron. That says alot about your beliefs!
"Man, by his fall, having made himself incapable of life by that covenant, the Lord was pleased to make a second, commonly called the covenant of grace; wherein He FREELY [AND BENEVOLENTLY] OFFERS UNTO SINNERS LIFE AND SALVATION BY JESUS CHRIST, requiring of them faith in Him, that they may be saved"
[WESTMINSTER CONFESSION OF FAITH -- Chapter 7, Section 3]
Grudem, Iain and John Murray, Lloyd Jones, Hodge? do not and would not read or recommend the writings of these men, these so called theologians taught all manner of error. Read Philpot, Hoeksema, Hanko, Gadsby, Irons, Bradbury, Gill, Beebe if you must read men because these men taught the truth.
@doctorh2005 Read the articles on our website under "common grace" and also listen to "the grace of God" audio on our website by Alfred Chompff...Common grace and the free offer are blasphemous teachings of hypo calvinists/repackaged arminians. The biggest disproof of common grace and the free offer is ofcourse clear Scripture which the men you endorse and unfortunately yourself at this point either ignore or twist
/// The biggest disproof of common grace and the free offer is ofcourse Scripture ///
Oh really???
Well if you are so confident of that, then please give clear "Scriptural" evidence - as all the people that have debated me on this subject (to which I have been doing extensive study) have YET to have given a substantal Scriptural arguement.
What are you going to do with all those verses of Scripture which show God explicitly "desiring" something that had not come about?
@doctorh2005 I do not and would not recommend the teachers that you hide behind because they taught all manner of error as I clearly pointed out in my previous comment. Hyper calvinism is a slander word used by hypo calvinist religionists like yourself against those of us who believe in the one true God who "is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth." - Job 23 v 13.
/// those of us who believe in the one true God who "is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth." - Job 23 v 13. ///
Common Grace, and the Free Offer of the Gospel (as both taught by the Reformed, not the Arminians) does not contradict that verse at all...... because there is a clear distinction in Scripture between God's "will of DECREE" and "will of BENEVOLENCE". (to which Job 23:13 refers to the former).
@doctorh2005 I have not spammed any comments. There is a difference between a man of God who has taught some error here and there and men of religion/hypo calvinism who teach much, much gross error such as the men you endorse.
Ah, the topic of grace. I don't disagree with the concept of common grace. However I might possibly disagree with certain individuals interpretation of what they think is meant by common grace. Then again, I fear that some people may define grace to narrowly. Let me close with this - "For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men" - Titus 2:11 - God desires the salvation of all men - 1 Tim 2:3-4
BT3701 3 months ago
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This was a very good primer video. I'm not getting why it has 15 dislikes. Keep up the good work Doc.
theocratickingdom30 7 months ago
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theocratickingdom30 7 months ago
Calvin makes it clear in His Commentary on Ezekiel 18:23 that God does not wish the conversion of the reprobate. Calvin writes… ‘Since, therefore, repentance is a kind of second creation, it follows that it is not in man’s power; and if it is equally in God’s power to convert men as well as to create them, it follows that the reprobate are not converted, because God does not wish their conversion; for if he wished it he could do it: and hence it appears that he does not wish it.’
Testallthings 7 months ago
@Testallthings
/// Calvin makes it clear in His Commentary on Ezekiel 18:23 that God does not wish the conversion of the reprobate ///
When Calvlin says that, he is referring not to God's "Benevolent" will, but His DECRETIVE will.
God does not DECRETIVELY wish that the reprobate come to repentace (He has not "decreed" it to be), but when God says "Turn to Me ALL THE ENDS OF THE EARTH AND BE SAVED", He clearly shows a "desire" that all be saved. - a "benevolent" desire.
doctorh2005 7 months ago
Here is an example of the gospel preaching of Martyn Lloyd Jones - "He is here tonight offering Himself and His salvation to you. Yield yourself to Him. Listen to Him. Follow Him. Obey Him. The way to God and to heaven are open in Him in spite of all your sin and shame. He came, He lived. He died. He rose again for you" (Martyn Llyod Jones - Old Testament Evangelistic Sermons - pages 56-57 - edited by Iain Murray).
What do you have to say about this blasphemous nonsense doctorh2005?
Testallthings 7 months ago
@Testallthings
/// Martyn Llyod Jones - Old Testament Evangelistic Sermons - pages 56-57 - edited by Iain Murray).... What do you have to say about this blasphemous nonsense doctorh2005? ///
I am not going to take what you typed at face-value, I'm going to purchase that book to see the context in which it appears.
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@doctorh2005 Martyn Lloyd Jones' evengelical appeals are blasphemous and border on arminianism. This is the fruit of common grace and the free offer. It must be very embaressing for you to have to endorse and promote men who teach such unbiblical lies. When I present what they say, you refuse to comment and then say you have to buy the book for a fuller context. It says what it says!
Testallthings 7 months ago
@Testallthings
/// This is the fruit of common grace and the free offer ///
Actually thats not true at all. John Murray, for example, who wrote much on the subject doesnt even once imply that. You clearly dont have a correct understanding of the Free Offer - and I can say that because I have done much study on the subject (no offense)
What are you going to do with all the verses which show God "desiring" something that He had not decreed to happen? Your "theology! cannot account for them
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@Testallthings
/// When I present what they say, you refuse to comment and then say you have to buy the book for a fuller context. ///
And any other honest person seeking to know truth would do the same. If you are going to make a claim against someone, the other person needs to know if you are cherry-picking things out of context or not.
Have you actually read that book "Old Testament Evangelical Sermons"??? or are you simply quoting secondary source info from a website??
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@doctorh2005 My point is that when/if you get the book you will see that the quote says what it says and is in no way taken out of context. It is an evengelical appeal by Lloyd Jones. Why'll you're in the habit of ordering books, may I recommend "Free Will, Free Grace and the Free Offer" by J.H. Gosden. We just added a review to our website. Also have you read "Hyper-Calvinism and the Call of the Gospel" by David J. Engelsma? you can order a copy through CPRF of Ballymena, Northern Ireland.
Testallthings 7 months ago
@Testallthings
/// may I recommend "Free Will, Free Grace and the Free Offer" by J.H. Gosden..... "Hyper-Calvinism and the Call of the Gospel" by David J. Engelsma ///
What Scriptural evidence does they produce to refute the Free Offer of the Gospel??
All the so-called "Scriptural evidence" I've seen so far is nothing but "Straw Man" fallacies.
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@doctorh2005 "What Scriptural evidence does they produce to refute the Free Offer of the Gospel?"
You can NOT equate the "Free Offer of the Gospel" with the theological nonsense that God LOVES the reprobate and desires the reprobate's salvation (even though God Himself predestined the reprobate to hell.) It WILL NOT fly theologically.
Scriptures ripped out of context and twisted to support this fantasy. It is the same sort of BLIND eisegesis used by open theists who think God changes His mind!
SmolyHoax 7 months ago
@Testallthings
/// My point is that when/if you get the book you will see that the quote says what it says and is in no way taken out of context. It is an evengelical appeal by Lloyd Jones. ///
You didnt answer my question - "Have you actually READ the book, or did u get it from secdonary info from a website?"
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@doctorh2005 I did not get the quote from a secondary source on a website. By the providence of God I came acorss it when working on a book review for our website just hours before I began to correspond with you.
Testallthings 7 months ago
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Testallthings 7 months ago
@Testallthings
Commentary:
///He is here tonight offering Himself and His salvation to you///
CORRECT
/// The way to God and to heaven are open in Him in spite of all your sin and shame ///
CORRECT
/// He came, He lived. He died. He rose again for you" ///
NOTE: Lloyd-Jones doesn't say "paying for the sins of EVERY SINGLE ONE of you"
Also, Calvin and the Puritans believed in the Free Offer - see my main page for quotes.
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@Testallthings
"The mercy of God is [BENEVOLENTLY] offered equally TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE 'AND' TO THOSE WHO BELIEVE NOT, so that those who are not Divinely taught within are rendered inexcusable"
[JOHN CALVIN: "The Eternal Predestination of God" (1552)]
"He [BENEVOLENTLY] invites to Himself BOTH THE REPROBATE 'AND' THE ELECT IN COMMON; but the former, by their ingratitude, defraud themselves of this inestimable blessing."
[JOHN CALVIN (Psalm 16:7)]
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@Testallthings
"God [BENEVOLENTLY] saith to reprobates, 'BELIEVE IN CHRIST AND YE SHALL BE SAVED'"
[SAMUEL RUTHERFORD - Puritan (Letters of Samuel Rutherford)]
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@Testallthings
Eat THIS one!
"It is true that Saint John saith generally, that [God] loved the world. And why? For JESUS CHRIST [BENEVOLENTLY] OFFERETH HIMSELF generally TO ALL MEN WITHOUT EXCEPTION TO BE THEIR REDEEMER"
[JOHN CALVIN: Sermons on Deuteronomy]
Looks like you got a problem.... Calvin himself believes in the Free Offer aswell!
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@doctorh2005 Let us suppose that Calvin believed the same false doctrine as you. How would that give me a problem? You sound like such a little kid. It would merely make Calvin as wrong as what you are. I feel sorry for you. Running around trying to find a quote here and there of certain men to try and hide behind. Tha fact is your free offer and common grace blasphemy is found nowhere in the Word of God. You even quote the arminian Kirk Cameron. That says alot about your beliefs!
Testallthings 7 months ago
@Testallthings
/// Tha fact is your free offer and common grace blasphemy is found nowhere in the Word of God ///
On the contrary, it is firmly established in the Word. The thing is, you dont look at whats known in theology as "CONTEXT".
Do you know what that is?
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@Testallthings
And finally...
"Man, by his fall, having made himself incapable of life by that covenant, the Lord was pleased to make a second, commonly called the covenant of grace; wherein He FREELY [AND BENEVOLENTLY] OFFERS UNTO SINNERS LIFE AND SALVATION BY JESUS CHRIST, requiring of them faith in Him, that they may be saved"
[WESTMINSTER CONFESSION OF FAITH -- Chapter 7, Section 3]
doctorh2005 7 months ago
i notice all of your books including the bible are highlighted and have tons of notes, you must really study hard! keep up the great videos.
Krustbox 7 months ago
Grudem, Iain and John Murray, Lloyd Jones, Hodge? do not and would not read or recommend the writings of these men, these so called theologians taught all manner of error. Read Philpot, Hoeksema, Hanko, Gadsby, Irons, Bradbury, Gill, Beebe if you must read men because these men taught the truth.
Testallthings 7 months ago
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@Testallthings
/// Read Philpot, Hoeksema, Hanko, Gadsby, Irons, Bradbury, Gill, Beebe if you must read men because these men taught the truth. ///
If they did not teach Common Grace, they most certainly DID NOT teach the truth in that area.
The majority of these theolgians are in the "Hyper" Calvinist fringe.
doctorh2005 7 months ago
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@Testallthings
Btw, I have yet to have anyone refute the "Free Offer of the Gospel" that I have been defending over the past few weeks.
What is your biggest disproof of it? :-)
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@doctorh2005 Read the articles on our website under "common grace" and also listen to "the grace of God" audio on our website by Alfred Chompff...Common grace and the free offer are blasphemous teachings of hypo calvinists/repackaged arminians. The biggest disproof of common grace and the free offer is ofcourse clear Scripture which the men you endorse and unfortunately yourself at this point either ignore or twist
Testallthings 7 months ago
@Testallthings
/// The biggest disproof of common grace and the free offer is ofcourse Scripture ///
Oh really???
Well if you are so confident of that, then please give clear "Scriptural" evidence - as all the people that have debated me on this subject (to which I have been doing extensive study) have YET to have given a substantal Scriptural arguement.
What are you going to do with all those verses of Scripture which show God explicitly "desiring" something that had not come about?
doctorh2005 7 months ago
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@Testallthings
/// do not and would not read or recommend the writings of these men ///
Is that because you have indoctrinated yourself with only the teachings of Hyper Calvinists?
Willful Ignorance is no excuse!
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@doctorh2005 I do not and would not recommend the teachers that you hide behind because they taught all manner of error as I clearly pointed out in my previous comment. Hyper calvinism is a slander word used by hypo calvinist religionists like yourself against those of us who believe in the one true God who "is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth." - Job 23 v 13.
Testallthings 7 months ago
@Testallthings
/// those of us who believe in the one true God who "is in one mind, and who can turn him? and what his soul desireth, even that he doeth." - Job 23 v 13. ///
Common Grace, and the Free Offer of the Gospel (as both taught by the Reformed, not the Arminians) does not contradict that verse at all...... because there is a clear distinction in Scripture between God's "will of DECREE" and "will of BENEVOLENCE". (to which Job 23:13 refers to the former).
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@Testallthings
I agree with HoParoikos...
Show us one man who has never taught error at some point.
Why his comment is "spammed" is very suspicious.btw.
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@doctorh2005 I have not spammed any comments. There is a difference between a man of God who has taught some error here and there and men of religion/hypo calvinism who teach much, much gross error such as the men you endorse.
Testallthings 7 months ago
@Testallthings
/// There is a difference between a man of God who has taught some error here and there and men of hypo calvinism ///
"Begging The Question" fallacy.
You are presuming that people who do not agree with you to be "not men of God".
/// who teach much, much gross error such as the men you endorse.///
Are you assuming that the people you hide behind only teach "little tiny errors"???
Again, you are assuming your views are true to begin with, Begging the Question.
doctorh2005 7 months ago
@Testallthings Show me one man who has not taught error.
HoParoikos 7 months ago