Let me make something clear here. The Shapeshifter is a MAGE, he's NOT supposed to send MOST of his time shifted. The calculation for determining the STATS of your forms (Strength, Dexterity, Constitution) are determined from your Shapeshifter's SPELLPOWER - everyone who has ever said that the class was bugged was spouting hogwash. However, a Shapeshifter's forms in fact do HORRIBLE melee damage unless you know how the class works - this is INTENDED.
The reasoning is simple - originally you were supposed to shapeshift ONLY to perform special, PHYSICAL, OR spell resistance-ignoring attacks and to avoid being targeted by special attacks yourself (all the forms have specifics resistances/immunities). THIS is the reason why Shapeshifting has a cast time (because you should know WHEN you should be using your forms' skills) but SHIFTING OUT IS INSTANT (because when you need to be a mage, then you need to be a mage NOW).
While that's great, all of the forms' abilities are easily replicated with base mage spells, and the way the stats increase via spellpower is horribly scaled. This means shapeshifting is underpowered.
Shapeshifter Plus is a mod that fixes the scaling of stats to spellpower (meaning you can have competitive melee and defensive stats and still just pump magic) and you have the option of removing the cast time to be closer to that of the in-game lore.
Form abilities ignore spell resistance and each has various strengths and immunities that cannot be replicated by any spell (eg. immunity to grab/overwhelm & knockdown/knockback, blazing movespeed, constant attack speed). All shapeshifter abilities are also available by level 12. The stats of the forms actually scale well with SP. Their NORMAL attacks however scale horribly, especially if you only use a staff.
This is fine for casual players since you shouldn't be spending a lot of time shapeshifted, while powergamers are welcome to use the mechanics behind the forms to optimize damage even without putting a single point in strength. The casting time of shapeshifting is the one downside to it, which is why you should learn when and when not to use it. There's a reason why shifting has a casting time while deshifting is instant.
If shapeshifting is meant to be situational, then shifting should be an instant act because you need to be in that form RIGHT NOW, at the exact situation.
And in my experience, you still have to deal with physical resistance, which enemies have more of.. Web hits less often than paralyze, even against an enemy mage.
The shapeshifter is supposed to be a multi-role character, able to switch from role to role as they please.
Like I said, the casting time is indeed one of the downsides of shapeshifting. It's much too powerful otherwise, a level 10 Shapeshifter can simply kite Branka for the entire boss Dwarf Treaty fight while everyone else kills of her golems, for example. Web actually hits very often in my games (nightmare), it seems to be dex- dependent (like its nuke counterpart, Poison Spit. Poison Spit is dex-dependent, not sure about Web). To pump Spider's dex, you need very high SP.
In practice, it isn't. Well, no more overpowered than mages usually are (since, well, the developers are perfectly fine with mages being overpowered, since it actually makes sense with the lore). Even with the mod I mentioned, I still find myself switching back to base mage form often because I need Morrigan's spells more than her form abilities.
Don't worry, I've tried it extensively. I've made like 4 or so guides about it, the only reason I said I was copying others' info in my other argument in this vid was because he was getting annoying (everything he was asking about was already in the links I gave). It is powerful (lets avoid the overpowered argument) because it allows a mage to cover all his weaknesses, while allowing him to excel at what he does best - casting spells.
It is true that the spells all mages already get are far more powerful any talents you get from mage specs, and this is because mage specs are meant improve your character, not define it. As a spec Shapeshifter allows you to handle aggro you accrue from nuking, disable or do damage regardless of physical resistance, survive collateral damage for nuking point-blank, among other benefits. If a mage can't survive the transformation process then it simply means that he needs a gear change.
Any mage can be near immortal in DA:O late game regardless of spec they have, and early game they can easily reach 70+ defense or higher without investing any point in dex as long as they have the right gear/spells. There is absolutely no reason why a mage can't stand still for 2 seconds and channel shapeshifting so they can accomplish something that their spells simply can't, unless you can claim to be able to cast every spell in the game.
Actually, yes, there is a VERY good reason that a mage shouldn't stand still 2 seconds to cast a spell.
Namely because that 2 seconds could be used to essentially wipe out the opposition by spamming spells. You don't need every single spell in the game, just the more useful ones.
Shapeshifting is UP. It's quite clear that the developers wanted to follow certain roles with each form. Spider is DPS/CC, Bear is Tanking, Swarm is temp invuln + self-healing.
Yes but what if a mage resisted your Mana Clash? Surely you wouldn't recommend using Power of Word:Reload. What if you draw aggro from using your nukes and the tanker is busy? If your mage is a true nuker ("2 seconds could be used...") then you will be doing this. A lot. Good luck surviving surviving a dying but still very deadly band of snipers. This is where shapeshifting comes in.
Forms have no clear roles besides the Spider being a dex form, the bear a str form and the swarm an SP form. After giving Shapeshifters a boost and testing it for themselves the developers declared that the Shapeshifter was working as intended (and they made it a point to say that the Shapeshifter was never meant to be anything like the WoW druid). You'll find the exact post if you do a search on the Bioware forums (if you have a Bioware account).
It IS working as intended. My Shapeshifter could outdamage my Bloodmage, my two-handed weapons/two-weapons warriors, and all my DPS rogue builds and he manages to do it because he's shifted only 1/3 of the time. He can do the the Ser Cauthrien fight all by himself without breaking a sweat (mass nukes + chain Overwhelms), trivialize Branka and the arena fights (Swarm + spells), solo dragons with absolute ease (pure mage) and kill Gaxxkang in seconds. How is that not overpowered?
They are NOT meant for auto-attacking. Bear's Rage grants you a STRENGTH boost, which you should use to land a good Slam and a more damaging Overwhelm. A pure magic Shapeshifter can reach high enough SP to make his all his forms do decent auto-attack damage, but depending on the situations this may or may not be viable. Swarm doesn't have an auto-attack.
Point is in D&D shapeshifting is considered a supporting skill, and DA:O is faithful to this. In WoW, it is a CORE skill.
And for the record, have you not tried Shapeshifter Plus with Instant Form? No? Oh, then you can't cal it OP because you HAVEN'T tried it out! You just assume it's OP!
Try it out, I guarantee you'll be surprised by the increased versatility of the Shapeshifter class that somehow manages to not be anywhere close to OP.
Arrogant? I am confident because I speak from experience. Google "Shapeshifting 101" and "Shapeshifting FAQ" (Bioware forums). Those are mine. The majority of the Shapeshifter gameplay info and charts in Dragon Age wiki? Mine. And you'll find me in Bioware forums giving advice to DPS rogue, warrior and mage builds because DPS is my specialty, the fact the I like Shapeshifters is simply more of a hobby. You can be sure that I know perfectly well what I am talking about.
And for the record, when I said "try it out", I was referring to Shapeshifter Plus with Instant Form Change. I think you'll be surprised at how, even though the forms are improved, they're not overpowered.
Find the mod here: social .bioware .com /project/1317/ (remove spaces)
This is Shapeshifter Plus, and it fixes a lot of problems with Shapeshifting. I've tried it out with Morrigan and she's a BEAST! Spider deals decent damage and is more survivable than mage form, and Bear is a TANK! Better tank than Sten in full heavy chainmail! Still trying to figure out Swarm. Oh, and it adds Dragon form at "Master", too.
If this was the only mod I was allowed to install, I'd be happy.
Sadly shapeshifting sucked because you needed physical stats like a warrior to be useful. Bioware should have used a formula closer to that of those used for Ranger pets. Combine a combination of player level and Spellpower to determine the level of the shape, and let it have unique stats based on its level. Master Shapeshifting could increase the shape's level along with granting new skills and improving the stats per level of the form.
Funny guy. If he actually read the links I posted there wouldn't even be an argument in the first place. Reason I kept quoting the guides was because everything he asked about was already in them. Why bother making making my own reply? =)
@RcmOmega I do. Firstly it looks cool. And secondly when I get bored of flinging spells at people it gives me a chance fighting people, without creating a mage who is just and auto-attacking warrior, as Arcane Warrior does.
Well, what if you find shapeshifting fun, and super powerful boring? There's an up-side to every class, shapeshifting is a super fun class, because your not always the same thing! on that note, hippe mage, Shapeshifter+Spirit Healer+Keeper, I'm gonna be that :D
@Voidevil It's a bug in the game. Morrigan will only teach you the spec if her approval is in the middle or around the middle of the approval bar. She won't teach you if her approval rises too much.
@MDfleghm and ArchDemons XD btw best thing ever is the Warrior's... Set... Blade, Life, Path, Resistance L and R, Oath, Voice and protection... (sword, armor, boots, rings left and right, pendant, helm and shield.) all in all with the whole set it doubles ur damage output and reduces all damage u take to 10% of original damage. also, u cant be knocked down and whilst using a shield spec attack ur impervious and cant be interrupted... represented as "Unstoppable: with shield". XD no mods at all..
For those of you who still don't know the wonders of shapeshifting, there is a good guide on the bioware social forums, and not just for utility, for some real good dps
@thesupersayian4goku i assume you watched the video where she transforms into archdemon to fight the high dragon...it says it in the description you can download the mod.
Being a Shapeshifter doesn't necessarily mean you're losing your mage. You could easily create a group consisting of Morrigan, Wynne, and whatever tank you want, while being a Shapeshifter and still having all the advantages of your regular spells, and whatever other specialization you chose to be, when your animal forms aren't enough. So, unless you're not very bright, you're not losing anything. And when you're on the harder difficulties, being a shapeshifter helps, since ~70% of spells do FF.
Name one ranger pet that can do 300 free damage to magic resistant dwarf. Name one ranger pet that can chain Web->Poison Spit->(Fireball(shifting to human form is instant)->Flame Blast->Shock->Cone of Cold->Overwhelm->Slam->repeat Fireball sequence. Name one ranger pet that can outDPS everything else in the game 2/3 of the time with powerful AoE spells, while being able to shift into a form immune to grab attacks or knockdowns or ranged attacks (swarm) when the situation calls for it.
All that gibberish in the forums about the Shapeshifter being useless because it deprives you of your mage only shows player incompetence. Common sense dictates that you would -not- be shifting when you actually -need- to cast something. So if Branka is chasing down your mage because you drained half her HP - and if you have any idea who Branka the last thing you want to do is stand still when she's after you - you shift to Flying Swarm and kite or Overwhelm her in Bear Form.
@whokilledmydoggie Yes, that's great in theory. However there's only one problem with it.
Despite what the tooltip says, the stats modifier when shifted isn't based on spellpower, but strength. Meaning, in order for you to do decent damage, you'd have to focus many (if not all) points on strength; which is completely useless for a mage. This also means, your spells unshifted, on Nightmare, will do incredibly low damage, or get resisted, both due to very low spellpower. AW wrecks this spec.
With some research you'll know that the strength of SS forms is based on the caster's -spellpower-. So of all mage specs the Shapeshifter alone is the only spec who has to devote -every single stat point into Magic-. Bottomline: SS is a caster who nukes everything to pieces then shifts into a Bear for 300 points worth of burst damage + 5-6 seconds worth of disable. He has the most utility of all casters thanks to his. SS absolutely wrecks AW DPS-wise, FYI.
@whokilledmydoggie It's been well-known *for a long time* that the SS spec is glitched, and that the form's attributes are determined by Strength stat, and NOT Spellpower. This leads me to think you are, either lying, or simply assuming for the sake of this argument.
AW can do everything better than a SS. The fact that Combat Magic is insta-cast, while SS is not, only helps AW w/ DPS. Furthermore, AW can easily have 120+ defense and 70+ Armor at endgame, something SS will never achieve.
Fail. Do your research, and you might find that as far as Bioware is concerned it is "working as intended". Do you also jump off bridges just because other people do the same? Feel free to create two SS with wildly different spellpower and compare their forms.
A full-magic Shapeshifter in end game can do 600-700 damage with one Overwhelm in around 5 seconds. Can your AW do this? With his forms he can be immune to Grab, Overwhelm, Knockback and Knockdown. Is your AW?
1) The stat window is skewed with regards to shapeshifting. To test form damage you actually have to try and -hit- something.
2) Shapeshifter form strength scales with SPELLPOWER. Which is why I specifically told to TEST TWO CHARACTER WITH AT LEAST A 20 POINT DIFFERENCE IN BASE SPELLPOWER.
3) The Shapeshifter's form take on the PHYSICAL DAMAGE of the weapon you are currently using. If you want decent damage, try switching out your staff with a tier 1 sword.
It is because a lot of the forms' damage comes from the weapon currently being used (staffs do not do physical damage) that many believe Shapeshifting is bugged. In Origins, there are plenty of tier 1 weapons you can buy from merchant without investing a single point in Str. In particular there are a few two-handed weapons with zero str requirement like Ser Jory's sword. Note that form attack speed DOES NOT SCALE WITH WEAPON TYPE, allowing for insane early game SS damage.
But that is merely cherry on top of the fact that Shapeshifters are basically pure magic-stat casters, which means they're ideal nukers. In Awakenings the sheer amount of +spellpower gear available makes it so that you can just stick to using a staff 24/7, and still dish out a 600-700 damage Overwhelm in roughly 5-6 seconds. At the same time you have a fireball who can drop normal mobs to half hp with a single casting.
Finally, only the Bear form is tightly dependent on
your form's strength equivalent based on your spellpower. The spider form's skills are dependent on its DEXTERITY, and if you simply did the test I asked you to do would see that of all form stats the Spider form's Dex (along with Bear form's Con) are the stats most sensitive to fluctuations in your Shapeshifter's base SP.
I did tell you to do your research. You could simply have done something like checking Dragon Age Wiki and doing a search on Shapeshifter. EPIC FAIL.
@whokilledmydoggie I don't know what you are trying to do. You've already been proved wrong. An all point investment into Magic, (and thus, Spellpower) does not affect damage as much as Strength does. I don't need to 'hit anything' in order to calculate DPS, because the stats clearly say a Strength mage has more damage than a Spellpower mage.
Read this guide; gamefaqs.com/pc/920668-dragon-age-origins/faqs/58986
Are you going to say he fails too? He clearly states there's a bug.
Bioware's stand: forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=704442&forum=135&sp=105 . Personally, I'd stick with the developers.
More strength DOES do more damage than a pure magic mage. Whoever said it didn't? Assuming a maximum stat of 80, a Shapeshifter who plans on just getting enough magic to cast the strongest spells would have around 50 Str, and the rest into magic.
Since the pure magic Shapeshifter will be using a staff, we assume he is able to reach around 80 spellpower. He will reach 33 Strength. In case you don't know how strength works, each point is basically a 0.5 increase in damage. Assuming two handed weapons and other bonuses let's say the difference between a pure magic Shapeshifter and a Str Shapeshifter is 20 MEASLY POINTS PER NORMAL ATTACK. Seriously. Talk about gimping your own character.
You basically sacrificed spellpower just to up your forms' NORMAL attack damage by 20. While you were at it, you GIMPED the Flying Swarm (third form, damage is spellpower dependent). There is a very good reason why Shapeshifters are mages. The forms were never intended to replace spellcasting, because as the dev said they already have the AW for that. Shapeshifters are mages who nuke the hell out of enemy mobs and then shift + Overwhelm/Swarm AoE for free massive damage.
This is how they were supposed to work, and with proper understanding of Shapeshifting mechanics it can be just as powerful as any mage spec. It is NOT bugged, and my own SS' Spider Form at level 7 does 20+ points of damage per hit . Sten's attacks do 30+ damage a hit. My attacks are significantly faster. So no, neither is the spec weak, when used properly.
By end game my fireballs kill most things before they can even come near, to hell with Str. Survivors die to Overwhelm.
@whokilledmydoggie Then please state your character build, and I will do my best to replicate it; in order to settle this argument. With your build, I hope to see "600-700 Overwhelm damage", like you say. Please provide numbers, not anecdotal evidence. And yes, Flying Swarm does scale with spellpower, however since we are talking about Overwhelm, I thought that was irrelevant.
Some of the stuff must be carried over from Origins: Spellfury (weapon), First Enchanter's Cowl (origins, headgear), Spirit of the Woods (gloves), Reaper's Vestments (robe), Mage's Running Boots (feet), Andruil's Blessing (girdle), The Spellward (amulet), Lifegiver (ring), Key to the City (ring), maxed Combat Training. Nothing else adds to damage.
Target was a humanoid in the Wending Woods, near the area you meet Velanna. Bear form, Rage before Overwhelming. Bear Overwhelm does 10-11 hits, hence data range.
@whokilledmydoggie Hahaha, and the fact that you say I fail and use a stupid saying to justify my response makes it funny. You've provided *no* evidence whatsoever that your SS can do this insane amount of damage. I also doubt that it's "player incompetence" that make people say SS is garbage. It's personal experience; something you do not have, obviously.
Bottomline? Shapeshifter is worthless. You turn yourself from a DPS Nuker to a mediocre Warrior in 5 seconds.
@szaszkvacss Yeah but they'd have to make that hard to get from a hidden quest that you can only use with one person in your party and only once or twice in the game. Mainly because that would be so overpowered but otherwise it'd be friggen sweet.
FYI Master Shapeshifter gives your forms Overwhelm which disables humanoids for around 3-5 seconds, and ignores spell resistance (nightmare-mode players will appreciate this). Spider's Overwhelm does negligible damage, but works well after Poison Spit. Bear's can do around 300 physical (read - ignores SR) with pure Int, higher if you use a weapon and the target has little/no armor. Skill-weaving also makes Overwhelm overpowered. and it is a one-shot skill if you bug it.
All the little things Shapeshifters get are irreplaceable against magic resistant/immunes and things with special attack animations (forms are immune). For everything else, magic/spells >> ALL.
HP potion spam + Mana potion exploit + CC's > Blood Mage, warrior party member with good skillset + Force Field > Arcane Warrior.
alright i have a question and it hasnt been answered, i tried to learn shapeshifting from morrigan while i am at camp but she keeps saying that she will teach me when we get back to camp, i am a mage (the best race) and have enough approve points for her to let me kiss her. I just cant get her to teach me, is this a glitch, also someone told me to go to the dalish elf forest and i can buy it there, but when i went to the merchant he did not have any shapeshifting scroll to teach me
@horrormaniac420 if i remember correctly her approval has to be neutral for her to teach you but doesnt matter to me, shapeshifter is like the worse spec for a mage, your more deadly without it, now arcane warrior/bloodmage on the other hand, whoaaaa talk about your overpowered class
i think i may have found a way to use this shapeshifting... not a gd one, but it does make all the forms stronger, just write to me if u'd like to know, i tried it out with morrigan nd it seemed to work...
@talladam571 my opinion on shape shifter is that it utterly sucks no cool things you can change into like dragons or big demons or something plus you can't use spells can't use health poultices or lyrium and knocks off your buffs so u have to recast which is always a annoying thing espiaclly if your in a battle already
shape shifting (like the arcane warrior class) requires you to completely transform the way you play to be used well. if you pursue all the skills and attributes needed to be a good shapeshifter it becomes a awesome skill.
what do you have to do i talk talked to morrigan and said next time in camp ill teach you so i went to camp and she kept saying next time in camp??? help please
Seriously , I understand bears or spideys can't use magic but can' even use items to heal. Now that's fucked up. Shape shifted bears should get like at least 500 life bonus.
Shape shifter is the most stupid specialization unless you can shapeshift into a high dragon or at least drake or an rock golem. Can't use magic and takes too long to shape shift. and not much life bonus. Very weak shape shift can't even heal.
@formless777 i wish as a shapeshifter they couldve implemented a drake form not a high dragon but a drake form that way id use it more, bear and spiders suck
@hamburgerface123 When sending someone into the fade to save Connor,pick a character that will make a deal with the demon for knowledge or power,I can't remember.
You have to make a mage and go make a deal with the demon..It entales something about you learning the specialization of blood mage and yeah you just have her leave fro a bit but then she posseses him at a later period..Blood mage is pretty fun...just manage your health right.
making a deal with the demon in conners fade gives you blood mage. Coercing Morrigan into teaching you how to shapeshift will open that skill. To get Soul Reaver you have to pour the dragon blood on Andraste's Ashes (desicrate her remains basically)
shapeshifting would be cool if you could turn werewolf
MrLagvag 5 months ago
@MrLagvag there is a mod that you can turn into werewolf,dragon,drake,high dragon,demons,animals,and undead
SaidenFiction 4 weeks ago
You transform into the Beast from "Brotherhood of the Wolf"?
supereldinho 6 months ago
Sounds like you two play too much dragon age ;)
xXxClaytonXxXx 7 months ago
Hey, whokilledmydoggie, SHUT THE FUCK UP! kthxbai
HockeyG33 8 months ago
Let me make something clear here. The Shapeshifter is a MAGE, he's NOT supposed to send MOST of his time shifted. The calculation for determining the STATS of your forms (Strength, Dexterity, Constitution) are determined from your Shapeshifter's SPELLPOWER - everyone who has ever said that the class was bugged was spouting hogwash. However, a Shapeshifter's forms in fact do HORRIBLE melee damage unless you know how the class works - this is INTENDED.
whokilledmydoggie 8 months ago
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whokilledmydoggie 8 months ago
@whokilledmydoggie
The reasoning is simple - originally you were supposed to shapeshift ONLY to perform special, PHYSICAL, OR spell resistance-ignoring attacks and to avoid being targeted by special attacks yourself (all the forms have specifics resistances/immunities). THIS is the reason why Shapeshifting has a cast time (because you should know WHEN you should be using your forms' skills) but SHIFTING OUT IS INSTANT (because when you need to be a mage, then you need to be a mage NOW).
whokilledmydoggie 8 months ago
@whokilledmydoggie
While that's great, all of the forms' abilities are easily replicated with base mage spells, and the way the stats increase via spellpower is horribly scaled. This means shapeshifting is underpowered.
Shapeshifter Plus is a mod that fixes the scaling of stats to spellpower (meaning you can have competitive melee and defensive stats and still just pump magic) and you have the option of removing the cast time to be closer to that of the in-game lore.
GayLPer 7 months ago
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whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@GayLPer
Form abilities ignore spell resistance and each has various strengths and immunities that cannot be replicated by any spell (eg. immunity to grab/overwhelm & knockdown/knockback, blazing movespeed, constant attack speed). All shapeshifter abilities are also available by level 12. The stats of the forms actually scale well with SP. Their NORMAL attacks however scale horribly, especially if you only use a staff.
whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@whokilledmydoggie
This is fine for casual players since you shouldn't be spending a lot of time shapeshifted, while powergamers are welcome to use the mechanics behind the forms to optimize damage even without putting a single point in strength. The casting time of shapeshifting is the one downside to it, which is why you should learn when and when not to use it. There's a reason why shifting has a casting time while deshifting is instant.
whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@whokilledmydoggie
Okay, look. One of your arguments has a flaw.
If shapeshifting is meant to be situational, then shifting should be an instant act because you need to be in that form RIGHT NOW, at the exact situation.
And in my experience, you still have to deal with physical resistance, which enemies have more of.. Web hits less often than paralyze, even against an enemy mage.
The shapeshifter is supposed to be a multi-role character, able to switch from role to role as they please.
GayLPer 7 months ago
@GayLPer
Like I said, the casting time is indeed one of the downsides of shapeshifting. It's much too powerful otherwise, a level 10 Shapeshifter can simply kite Branka for the entire boss Dwarf Treaty fight while everyone else kills of her golems, for example. Web actually hits very often in my games (nightmare), it seems to be dex- dependent (like its nuke counterpart, Poison Spit. Poison Spit is dex-dependent, not sure about Web). To pump Spider's dex, you need very high SP.
whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@whokilledmydoggie
In theory, it might be overpowered.
In practice, it isn't. Well, no more overpowered than mages usually are (since, well, the developers are perfectly fine with mages being overpowered, since it actually makes sense with the lore). Even with the mod I mentioned, I still find myself switching back to base mage form often because I need Morrigan's spells more than her form abilities.
Try it out, you might be surprised at it.
GayLPer 7 months ago
@GayLPer
Don't worry, I've tried it extensively. I've made like 4 or so guides about it, the only reason I said I was copying others' info in my other argument in this vid was because he was getting annoying (everything he was asking about was already in the links I gave). It is powerful (lets avoid the overpowered argument) because it allows a mage to cover all his weaknesses, while allowing him to excel at what he does best - casting spells.
whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@GayLPer
It is true that the spells all mages already get are far more powerful any talents you get from mage specs, and this is because mage specs are meant improve your character, not define it. As a spec Shapeshifter allows you to handle aggro you accrue from nuking, disable or do damage regardless of physical resistance, survive collateral damage for nuking point-blank, among other benefits. If a mage can't survive the transformation process then it simply means that he needs a gear change.
whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@GayLPer
Any mage can be near immortal in DA:O late game regardless of spec they have, and early game they can easily reach 70+ defense or higher without investing any point in dex as long as they have the right gear/spells. There is absolutely no reason why a mage can't stand still for 2 seconds and channel shapeshifting so they can accomplish something that their spells simply can't, unless you can claim to be able to cast every spell in the game.
whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@whokilledmydoggie
Actually, yes, there is a VERY good reason that a mage shouldn't stand still 2 seconds to cast a spell.
Namely because that 2 seconds could be used to essentially wipe out the opposition by spamming spells. You don't need every single spell in the game, just the more useful ones.
Shapeshifting is UP. It's quite clear that the developers wanted to follow certain roles with each form. Spider is DPS/CC, Bear is Tanking, Swarm is temp invuln + self-healing.
GayLPer 7 months ago
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whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@GayLPer
Yes but what if a mage resisted your Mana Clash? Surely you wouldn't recommend using Power of Word:Reload. What if you draw aggro from using your nukes and the tanker is busy? If your mage is a true nuker ("2 seconds could be used...") then you will be doing this. A lot. Good luck surviving surviving a dying but still very deadly band of snipers. This is where shapeshifting comes in.
whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@GayLPer
Forms have no clear roles besides the Spider being a dex form, the bear a str form and the swarm an SP form. After giving Shapeshifters a boost and testing it for themselves the developers declared that the Shapeshifter was working as intended (and they made it a point to say that the Shapeshifter was never meant to be anything like the WoW druid). You'll find the exact post if you do a search on the Bioware forums (if you have a Bioware account).
whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@whokilledmydoggie
It's amazing what developers will call "working as intended" when it, in fact, does not work.
You say forms are very powerful if used right, but then you ignore that forms ARE meant for auto-attacking!
Bear's "rage" is specifically meant to decrease defense and increase attack. This is for auto-attacks.
Swarm has to heal itself with auto-attack.
And FFS, WoW didn't invent shapeshifting! That goes all the way back to Dungeons and Dragons!
GayLPer 7 months ago
@GayLPer
It IS working as intended. My Shapeshifter could outdamage my Bloodmage, my two-handed weapons/two-weapons warriors, and all my DPS rogue builds and he manages to do it because he's shifted only 1/3 of the time. He can do the the Ser Cauthrien fight all by himself without breaking a sweat (mass nukes + chain Overwhelms), trivialize Branka and the arena fights (Swarm + spells), solo dragons with absolute ease (pure mage) and kill Gaxxkang in seconds. How is that not overpowered?
whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@GayLPer
They are NOT meant for auto-attacking. Bear's Rage grants you a STRENGTH boost, which you should use to land a good Slam and a more damaging Overwhelm. A pure magic Shapeshifter can reach high enough SP to make his all his forms do decent auto-attack damage, but depending on the situations this may or may not be viable. Swarm doesn't have an auto-attack.
Point is in D&D shapeshifting is considered a supporting skill, and DA:O is faithful to this. In WoW, it is a CORE skill.
whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@whokilledmydoggie
And for the record, have you not tried Shapeshifter Plus with Instant Form? No? Oh, then you can't cal it OP because you HAVEN'T tried it out! You just assume it's OP!
Try it out, I guarantee you'll be surprised by the increased versatility of the Shapeshifter class that somehow manages to not be anywhere close to OP.
MAKER, you're arrogant!
GayLPer 7 months ago
@GayLPer
Arrogant? I am confident because I speak from experience. Google "Shapeshifting 101" and "Shapeshifting FAQ" (Bioware forums). Those are mine. The majority of the Shapeshifter gameplay info and charts in Dragon Age wiki? Mine. And you'll find me in Bioware forums giving advice to DPS rogue, warrior and mage builds because DPS is my specialty, the fact the I like Shapeshifters is simply more of a hobby. You can be sure that I know perfectly well what I am talking about.
whokilledmydoggie 7 months ago
@whokilledmydoggie
Still haven't actually tried Shapeshifting Plus?
Come back to me when you actually have.
GayLPer 7 months ago
@whokilledmydoggie
And for the record, when I said "try it out", I was referring to Shapeshifter Plus with Instant Form Change. I think you'll be surprised at how, even though the forms are improved, they're not overpowered.
GayLPer 7 months ago
0:25 ManBearPig.
RareAmethyst 8 months ago
this class would have been cool if casting time was instant. and if you could change into a wolf
MrLagvag 8 months ago
Shapeshifting could have been worth it if the transformation was instant... Too bad.
Lowdian 9 months ago
Shapeshifting was only ever useful if you needed more melee manpower. Sadly the need was rare... shapeshifting was too cool and too useless
Simonboy5 9 months ago
@Simonboy5
Find the mod here: social .bioware .com /project/1317/ (remove spaces)
This is Shapeshifter Plus, and it fixes a lot of problems with Shapeshifting. I've tried it out with Morrigan and she's a BEAST! Spider deals decent damage and is more survivable than mage form, and Bear is a TANK! Better tank than Sten in full heavy chainmail! Still trying to figure out Swarm. Oh, and it adds Dragon form at "Master", too.
If this was the only mod I was allowed to install, I'd be happy.
GayLPer 7 months ago
Wonder twin power activate...
Form of a Eagle...
Form of a bucket of water.
Come bleep bleep!
Wolfstanus 9 months ago
Sadly shapeshifting sucked because you needed physical stats like a warrior to be useful. Bioware should have used a formula closer to that of those used for Ranger pets. Combine a combination of player level and Spellpower to determine the level of the shape, and let it have unique stats based on its level. Master Shapeshifting could increase the shape's level along with granting new skills and improving the stats per level of the form.
XoRandomGuyoX 9 months ago
shapeshifter is cool, but i personally use arcane warrior with blood dragon armor set and spirit healer.
xMEGATON96x 9 months ago
is that a special bear spell or something? i never used shapeshifting much, but that looked like a demon bear or something
salamagogo 10 months ago
@salamagogo u'll get it after getting master shapeshifter, before that u'll just be a normal bear.
flamesofk0fan 10 months ago
Funny guy. If he actually read the links I posted there wouldn't even be an argument in the first place. Reason I kept quoting the guides was because everything he asked about was already in them. Why bother making making my own reply? =)
whokilledmydoggie 11 months ago
lets leave shapeshifting finesse to the druids of warcraft and diablo 2
omfgwth89 11 months ago
Do people actually use the shapeshifting abilities in battle? I personally think magic is still stronger than a swarm of flies or a war bear.
RcmOmega 1 year ago 48
from my experience being an arcane warrior is better then being a shapeshifter
renardo3333 10 months ago
@RcmOmega probably not but the flying swarm is the fastest thing other than haste + blood thirst from warden keep expansion
sahmation 9 months ago
@RcmOmega a swarm of flies would make me run harder than some flashy light balls :)
viltstiftable 5 months ago 3
@RcmOmega I do. Firstly it looks cool. And secondly when I get bored of flinging spells at people it gives me a chance fighting people, without creating a mage who is just and auto-attacking warrior, as Arcane Warrior does.
juzt156 5 months ago
@RcmOmega I've only used them for fast travelling. For example, the swarm is amazing if you want to cover a large area quickly :].
WinchesterJr 5 months ago
Sorry just bought the game last week but just wondering can only mages shapeshift? First class i picked was warrior and i wanted to be a bear
Kdaddy61987 1 year ago
@Kdaddy61987 Yes,only mages can be shapeshifters.
squishyrubixmaster 1 year ago
@squishyrubixmaster thank you
Kdaddy61987 11 months ago
I liked this spec, corrupt spider was my favorite
Boredpersons55 1 year ago
Worst spec ever.
clashpaper 1 year ago
@clashpaper exactly, why you can't change into dragon which is obvious?
maciejl20 10 months ago
well, i think blood mage gets pretty damn close to
renardo3333 10 months ago
Well, what if you find shapeshifting fun, and super powerful boring? There's an up-side to every class, shapeshifting is a super fun class, because your not always the same thing! on that note, hippe mage, Shapeshifter+Spirit Healer+Keeper, I'm gonna be that :D
NiceDaisy24 1 year ago
How come you have so uch spell slots?
Simbad961 1 year ago
the most useless specialization ever
R2rGangstaFC 1 year ago
How can i earn shapeshifter? Im obsessed with shapeshifting
timmyisthefly 1 year ago
@timmyisthefly are you joking? as soon as you get morrigan ask her to teach it to you.
unsteddy 1 year ago
@unsteddy She doesn't always agree to teach you, for me she was constantly saying "Perhaps, if I had the desire to. I do not"
Voidevil 1 year ago
@Voidevil if she likes you too much, then she won't. (yeah shes weird)
unsteddy 1 year ago
@unsteddy But she says "I simply do not know you well enough" which suggests that she doesn't like me enough
Voidevil 1 year ago
@Voidevil It's a bug in the game. Morrigan will only teach you the spec if her approval is in the middle or around the middle of the approval bar. She won't teach you if her approval rises too much.
HesGotAThumperOHSHIT 1 year ago
@timmyisthefly You can also buy a book but I don't remember where to get it.
Woutorius 1 year ago
@MDfleghm and ArchDemons XD btw best thing ever is the Warrior's... Set... Blade, Life, Path, Resistance L and R, Oath, Voice and protection... (sword, armor, boots, rings left and right, pendant, helm and shield.) all in all with the whole set it doubles ur damage output and reduces all damage u take to 10% of original damage. also, u cant be knocked down and whilst using a shield spec attack ur impervious and cant be interrupted... represented as "Unstoppable: with shield". XD no mods at all..
Mega11221133 1 year ago
For those of you who still don't know the wonders of shapeshifting, there is a good guide on the bioware social forums, and not just for utility, for some real good dps
josephjarsam94 1 year ago
There is a pretty cool mod which allows you to transform into most monsters, including high dragons and stuff, really cool.
MCfleghm 1 year ago
a video i seen the mage turned into the arch demon can u tell me where to get that move
thesupersayian4goku 1 year ago
@thesupersayian4goku i assume you watched the video where she transforms into archdemon to fight the high dragon...it says it in the description you can download the mod.
MultiCaliban 1 year ago
@MultiCaliban okay thanks
thesupersayian4goku 6 months ago
FORM OF:SOMETHING MORE INTRESTING
kaine987654321 1 year ago
no your not your super cereal
kaine987654321 1 year ago
FORM OF: MANBEARPIG....im cereal
cooliosmyname 1 year ago 39
I've always thought of shape-shifting as a situational convenience and, when used correctly, can be very useful. It's not always about DPS.
JankyToe 1 year ago
FORM OF: A BUCKET OF WATER!
BlackTallKid 1 year ago
FORM OF: BEES!
deedevil63 1 year ago
Being a Shapeshifter doesn't necessarily mean you're losing your mage. You could easily create a group consisting of Morrigan, Wynne, and whatever tank you want, while being a Shapeshifter and still having all the advantages of your regular spells, and whatever other specialization you chose to be, when your animal forms aren't enough. So, unless you're not very bright, you're not losing anything. And when you're on the harder difficulties, being a shapeshifter helps, since ~70% of spells do FF.
Hellbane224 1 year ago
Name one ranger pet that can do 300 free damage to magic resistant dwarf. Name one ranger pet that can chain Web->Poison Spit->(Fireball(shifting to human form is instant)->Flame Blast->Shock->Cone of Cold->Overwhelm->Slam->repeat Fireball sequence. Name one ranger pet that can outDPS everything else in the game 2/3 of the time with powerful AoE spells, while being able to shift into a form immune to grab attacks or knockdowns or ranged attacks (swarm) when the situation calls for it.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie
All that gibberish in the forums about the Shapeshifter being useless because it deprives you of your mage only shows player incompetence. Common sense dictates that you would -not- be shifting when you actually -need- to cast something. So if Branka is chasing down your mage because you drained half her HP - and if you have any idea who Branka the last thing you want to do is stand still when she's after you - you shift to Flying Swarm and kite or Overwhelm her in Bear Form.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie Yes, that's great in theory. However there's only one problem with it.
Despite what the tooltip says, the stats modifier when shifted isn't based on spellpower, but strength. Meaning, in order for you to do decent damage, you'd have to focus many (if not all) points on strength; which is completely useless for a mage. This also means, your spells unshifted, on Nightmare, will do incredibly low damage, or get resisted, both due to very low spellpower. AW wrecks this spec.
HesGotAThumperOHSHIT 1 year ago
@HesGotAThumperOHSHIT
With some research you'll know that the strength of SS forms is based on the caster's -spellpower-. So of all mage specs the Shapeshifter alone is the only spec who has to devote -every single stat point into Magic-. Bottomline: SS is a caster who nukes everything to pieces then shifts into a Bear for 300 points worth of burst damage + 5-6 seconds worth of disable. He has the most utility of all casters thanks to his. SS absolutely wrecks AW DPS-wise, FYI.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie It's been well-known *for a long time* that the SS spec is glitched, and that the form's attributes are determined by Strength stat, and NOT Spellpower. This leads me to think you are, either lying, or simply assuming for the sake of this argument.
AW can do everything better than a SS. The fact that Combat Magic is insta-cast, while SS is not, only helps AW w/ DPS. Furthermore, AW can easily have 120+ defense and 70+ Armor at endgame, something SS will never achieve.
HesGotAThumperOHSHIT 1 year ago
@HesGotAThumperOHSHIT
Fail. Do your research, and you might find that as far as Bioware is concerned it is "working as intended". Do you also jump off bridges just because other people do the same? Feel free to create two SS with wildly different spellpower and compare their forms.
A full-magic Shapeshifter in end game can do 600-700 damage with one Overwhelm in around 5 seconds. Can your AW do this? With his forms he can be immune to Grab, Overwhelm, Knockback and Knockdown. Is your AW?
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie
Tested with a LVL 12 Human Mage, as of patch 1.04, using "Bear Form" w/ Master Shapeshifter. No equips.
STRENGTH SS~
Attributes: 44 STR, 16 MAG, 6 SP
Shifted Stats: 15 Armor, 28.2 Damage, 48 Defence (Quite pathetic, BTW)
SPELLPOWER SS~ All points
Attributes: 11 STR, 49 MAG, 39 SP
Shifted Stats: 16 Armor, 17.1 Damage, 55 Defence (Also very pathetic for a LVL12)
As you can see, the results are different. DPS depends on Strength, not Spellpower. You are wrong.
HesGotAThumperOHSHIT 1 year ago
@HesGotAThumperOHSHIT
You are wrong.
1) The stat window is skewed with regards to shapeshifting. To test form damage you actually have to try and -hit- something.
2) Shapeshifter form strength scales with SPELLPOWER. Which is why I specifically told to TEST TWO CHARACTER WITH AT LEAST A 20 POINT DIFFERENCE IN BASE SPELLPOWER.
3) The Shapeshifter's form take on the PHYSICAL DAMAGE of the weapon you are currently using. If you want decent damage, try switching out your staff with a tier 1 sword.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie
It is because a lot of the forms' damage comes from the weapon currently being used (staffs do not do physical damage) that many believe Shapeshifting is bugged. In Origins, there are plenty of tier 1 weapons you can buy from merchant without investing a single point in Str. In particular there are a few two-handed weapons with zero str requirement like Ser Jory's sword. Note that form attack speed DOES NOT SCALE WITH WEAPON TYPE, allowing for insane early game SS damage.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie
But that is merely cherry on top of the fact that Shapeshifters are basically pure magic-stat casters, which means they're ideal nukers. In Awakenings the sheer amount of +spellpower gear available makes it so that you can just stick to using a staff 24/7, and still dish out a 600-700 damage Overwhelm in roughly 5-6 seconds. At the same time you have a fireball who can drop normal mobs to half hp with a single casting.
Finally, only the Bear form is tightly dependent on
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie
your form's strength equivalent based on your spellpower. The spider form's skills are dependent on its DEXTERITY, and if you simply did the test I asked you to do would see that of all form stats the Spider form's Dex (along with Bear form's Con) are the stats most sensitive to fluctuations in your Shapeshifter's base SP.
I did tell you to do your research. You could simply have done something like checking Dragon Age Wiki and doing a search on Shapeshifter. EPIC FAIL.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie I don't know what you are trying to do. You've already been proved wrong. An all point investment into Magic, (and thus, Spellpower) does not affect damage as much as Strength does. I don't need to 'hit anything' in order to calculate DPS, because the stats clearly say a Strength mage has more damage than a Spellpower mage.
Read this guide; gamefaqs.com/pc/920668-dragon-age-origins/faqs/58986
Are you going to say he fails too? He clearly states there's a bug.
HesGotAThumperOHSHIT 1 year ago
@HesGotAThumperOHSHIT
Bioware's stand: forums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=704442&forum=135&sp=105 . Personally, I'd stick with the developers.
More strength DOES do more damage than a pure magic mage. Whoever said it didn't? Assuming a maximum stat of 80, a Shapeshifter who plans on just getting enough magic to cast the strongest spells would have around 50 Str, and the rest into magic.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie
Since the pure magic Shapeshifter will be using a staff, we assume he is able to reach around 80 spellpower. He will reach 33 Strength. In case you don't know how strength works, each point is basically a 0.5 increase in damage. Assuming two handed weapons and other bonuses let's say the difference between a pure magic Shapeshifter and a Str Shapeshifter is 20 MEASLY POINTS PER NORMAL ATTACK. Seriously. Talk about gimping your own character.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie
You basically sacrificed spellpower just to up your forms' NORMAL attack damage by 20. While you were at it, you GIMPED the Flying Swarm (third form, damage is spellpower dependent). There is a very good reason why Shapeshifters are mages. The forms were never intended to replace spellcasting, because as the dev said they already have the AW for that. Shapeshifters are mages who nuke the hell out of enemy mobs and then shift + Overwhelm/Swarm AoE for free massive damage.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie
This is how they were supposed to work, and with proper understanding of Shapeshifting mechanics it can be just as powerful as any mage spec. It is NOT bugged, and my own SS' Spider Form at level 7 does 20+ points of damage per hit . Sten's attacks do 30+ damage a hit. My attacks are significantly faster. So no, neither is the spec weak, when used properly.
By end game my fireballs kill most things before they can even come near, to hell with Str. Survivors die to Overwhelm.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie Then please state your character build, and I will do my best to replicate it; in order to settle this argument. With your build, I hope to see "600-700 Overwhelm damage", like you say. Please provide numbers, not anecdotal evidence. And yes, Flying Swarm does scale with spellpower, however since we are talking about Overwhelm, I thought that was irrelevant.
HesGotAThumperOHSHIT 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie Heh. I noticed the majority of what you said is directly off a Shapeshifter FAQ in the BioWare Social Forums. Am I correct? :S
There are no numbers on that FAQ, sadly. I'm guessing you will not be posting your own build then?
HesGotAThumperOHSHIT 1 year ago
@HesGotAThumperOHSHIT
Copy-pasted, yes.
Some of the stuff must be carried over from Origins: Spellfury (weapon), First Enchanter's Cowl (origins, headgear), Spirit of the Woods (gloves), Reaper's Vestments (robe), Mage's Running Boots (feet), Andruil's Blessing (girdle), The Spellward (amulet), Lifegiver (ring), Key to the City (ring), maxed Combat Training. Nothing else adds to damage.
Restat-ed, all points into magic.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie
Target was a humanoid in the Wending Woods, near the area you meet Velanna. Bear form, Rage before Overwhelming. Bear Overwhelm does 10-11 hits, hence data range.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie Ah, so I've been arguing with a copy and paster all this time. You're obviously very intelligent, LOL
HesGotAThumperOHSHIT 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie More clearly, please read the "Attributes" section of the guide.
HesGotAThumperOHSHIT 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie Hahaha, and the fact that you say I fail and use a stupid saying to justify my response makes it funny. You've provided *no* evidence whatsoever that your SS can do this insane amount of damage. I also doubt that it's "player incompetence" that make people say SS is garbage. It's personal experience; something you do not have, obviously.
Bottomline? Shapeshifter is worthless. You turn yourself from a DPS Nuker to a mediocre Warrior in 5 seconds.
HesGotAThumperOHSHIT 1 year ago
would be cool if you can turn into a dragon :P
szaszkvacss 1 year ago
@szaszkvacss There are mods for that, just go to Dragon Age Nexus, there you find almost all fan made modifications for Dragon Age.
TheDragonoftheWest 1 year ago
@szaszkvacss Yeah but they'd have to make that hard to get from a hidden quest that you can only use with one person in your party and only once or twice in the game. Mainly because that would be so overpowered but otherwise it'd be friggen sweet.
musicmanz15 1 year ago
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i have a question does the human,dwarven i forgot the other one..
does this 3 noble have a different story or campaign and a different ending????
aceofclubs1998 1 year ago
what sucks about the shapeshifter is that the creatures you can turn into are the same creatures a ranger can get as pets
so, loose your caster to get a pet? sucks balls
better have a ranger with a bear pet than a shapeshifter
patataton 1 year ago
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whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
FYI Master Shapeshifter gives your forms Overwhelm which disables humanoids for around 3-5 seconds, and ignores spell resistance (nightmare-mode players will appreciate this). Spider's Overwhelm does negligible damage, but works well after Poison Spit. Bear's can do around 300 physical (read - ignores SR) with pure Int, higher if you use a weapon and the target has little/no armor. Skill-weaving also makes Overwhelm overpowered. and it is a one-shot skill if you bug it.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@whokilledmydoggie
All the little things Shapeshifters get are irreplaceable against magic resistant/immunes and things with special attack animations (forms are immune). For everything else, magic/spells >> ALL.
HP potion spam + Mana potion exploit + CC's > Blood Mage, warrior party member with good skillset + Force Field > Arcane Warrior.
whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
@robwelker68 Ah i've found out, thanks. I've realised it's point-less anyways. :)
bradhatesmanu 1 year ago
Master of Crap is still Crap... but it looks cool :D
TwinTerry2 1 year ago
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whokilledmydoggie 1 year ago
i think that ill try a shapeshifter, for the challenge of course. When i aquired blood magic, things got too easy
Deathrune456 1 year ago
they should make this into an MMO
sodacan3 1 year ago
@sodacan3 Someone should shoot you know why?
Atonil 1 year ago
@Atonil LOL
sodacan3 1 year ago
alright i have a question and it hasnt been answered, i tried to learn shapeshifting from morrigan while i am at camp but she keeps saying that she will teach me when we get back to camp, i am a mage (the best race) and have enough approve points for her to let me kiss her. I just cant get her to teach me, is this a glitch, also someone told me to go to the dalish elf forest and i can buy it there, but when i went to the merchant he did not have any shapeshifting scroll to teach me
horrormaniac420 1 year ago
@horrormaniac420 if i remember correctly her approval has to be neutral for her to teach you but doesnt matter to me, shapeshifter is like the worse spec for a mage, your more deadly without it, now arcane warrior/bloodmage on the other hand, whoaaaa talk about your overpowered class
808gamerhawaii 1 year ago
How do you become a shapeshifter??
bradhatesmanu 1 year ago
I Think you should get flemeths form when you defeat her ! tht would be so cool
scarredwing 1 year ago
Oh my, because those all look so threatening.
And of course the bad guy in the game can turn into a DRAGON when all you can turn into is a few bugs and a teddy bear.
kalawaki 1 year ago
OMG i never knew you could shape shift! lol i should be a mage now
koolzguy25 1 year ago
no tiger , werewolf or something more cooler and powerful ?
SpeedeyFreaks 1 year ago
i wish you could change the camera distance on console, can barely see myseld when im in the bear form :/
DNBinca 1 year ago
How do you learn shape shifting? From Moriggan?
CaptainWolf001 1 year ago
@CaptainWolf001 Yes. You just have to talk to her. (I'm not sure whether you have to be in camp but I don't think you do.)
OFrostO10 1 year ago
@OFrostO10 Oh, but when I ask her she says that she can teach me if I have the will to do so.
CaptainWolf001 1 year ago
i think i may have found a way to use this shapeshifting... not a gd one, but it does make all the forms stronger, just write to me if u'd like to know, i tried it out with morrigan nd it seemed to work...
talladam571 1 year ago
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two things
1) i wanna be a shapeshifter but im woried it'l nerf my mage too much, whats your opinion on it b0hyu?
2) how often do u shapeshift? and what are your tactics with it? i might wanna try it if you've got a good stratergy?
if u wanna know, my second spec would be blood mage...
talladam571 1 year ago
@talladam571 my opinion on shape shifter is that it utterly sucks no cool things you can change into like dragons or big demons or something plus you can't use spells can't use health poultices or lyrium and knocks off your buffs so u have to recast which is always a annoying thing espiaclly if your in a battle already
potty268 1 year ago
i found it a lot easier to do the traps are a girls best friend quest over and over
aaron75fy 1 year ago
Is there anyway to roam the world after you completed it, or what does everyone do, not complete story-line? please reply
TheOldeFishe 1 year ago
some one told me u can become a dragon
RobbieDaPronage 1 year ago
@RobbieDaPronage you can't become a dragon >.> only with a mod you can, and thats for pc version :D
potty268 1 year ago
two things
1) i wanna be a shapeshifter but im woried it'l nerf my mage too much, whats your opinion on it b0hyu?
2) how often do u shapeshift? and what are your tactics with it? i might wanna try it if you've got a good stratergy?
if u wanna know, my second spec would be blood mage...
talladam571 1 year ago
how do u get so many buttons on ur quick bar?
chengda85 1 year ago
@chengda85 At the end of the bar, click and drag it out to the edge of the screen.
BrianAE15 1 year ago
shape shifting (like the arcane warrior class) requires you to completely transform the way you play to be used well. if you pursue all the skills and attributes needed to be a good shapeshifter it becomes a awesome skill.
peepoblo 1 year ago
sloth is not a bear he shapeshifts into one his an arcane horror :D i says to on the wiki
Degitalxxxde3trgfXXX 1 year ago
Shapeshifter is lame they gave it some dumb forms. Would have been nice if it was like Wolf, Bear and Drake or something like that
Nickthelich 1 year ago
what do you have to do i talk talked to morrigan and said next time in camp ill teach you so i went to camp and she kept saying next time in camp??? help please
pwnu4lyfe 1 year ago
Seriously , I understand bears or spideys can't use magic but can' even use items to heal. Now that's fucked up. Shape shifted bears should get like at least 500 life bonus.
Pieceofshota 1 year ago
Shape shifter is the most stupid specialization unless you can shapeshift into a high dragon or at least drake or an rock golem. Can't use magic and takes too long to shape shift. and not much life bonus. Very weak shape shift can't even heal.
Pieceofshota 1 year ago
Is your second spec skill a blood mage?
JamesMEEKSo1 1 year ago
Nope, spirit healer.
b0hyu 1 year ago
@b0hyu What level are you and where did you get that armor?
993ironman 1 year ago
Shapeshift needs to be beefed up somewhat imo
formless777 1 year ago
@formless777 i wish as a shapeshifter they couldve implemented a drake form not a high dragon but a drake form that way id use it more, bear and spiders suck
darkforce112 1 year ago
is there more tranformation types?
tyeb29 1 year ago
ew spider.
D:
tagertag12 1 year ago
alright: shapeshift into the archdemon and fight the high dragon, or even the archdemon himself. lol
Reversd2u 1 year ago
my character is a mage i am very new to the dargon age origin game what level do i have to be till i can shapshift?
locktock9 2 years ago
@locktock9 shapeshifting is one of the special stuff you learn, Morrigan teaches it to you
saiyanwarrior1 2 years ago
I wouldnt take shapeshift because the offensive skills are bad same as damage per second. Shapershifter class is a waste in my opinion
Ixtzalit 2 years ago
I agree, arcane warrior or spirit healer is sooo much more useful
wbjowhan 1 year ago
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Lol ik can shapshift in to: Arche demon, Ogre, Revenant and Pride demon so...
you think you can say this is: BOSS shapshifting? LOL!
swipjer 2 years ago
would it work to have a full healing wynn a full damage morrigin me a mage with curses and damages and alister tanking?
ellisth 2 years ago
@ellisth yep, that would be a super duper awesome team.
Reversd2u 1 year ago
im lvl 7 when am i able to shape shift??? and how??
IRISHxPRIDEx 2 years ago
lol i have a mage who can use all the area of effect spells earthquake lightning storm blizzard and the inferno
Sharky2290 2 years ago
Can u shapeshift into straight guy?
Mik3Anix 2 years ago
you gotta kill that wynn or w/e. but then just reload it and you'll have the skill and wynn will be alive sitll. Its in teh ashes quest
jpeter38 2 years ago
NIce
Duhast111 2 years ago
acrane warrior and blood mage is the best combo. Period. I didn't die once in Nightmare using that setup
jpeter38 2 years ago
how do you become a Blood Mage?
hamburgerface123 2 years ago
@hamburgerface123 When sending someone into the fade to save Connor,pick a character that will make a deal with the demon for knowledge or power,I can't remember.
nyuurocks 2 years ago
You have to make a mage and go make a deal with the demon..It entales something about you learning the specialization of blood mage and yeah you just have her leave fro a bit but then she posseses him at a later period..Blood mage is pretty fun...just manage your health right.
64ah 2 years ago
making a deal with the demon in conners fade gives you blood mage. Coercing Morrigan into teaching you how to shapeshift will open that skill. To get Soul Reaver you have to pour the dragon blood on Andraste's Ashes (desicrate her remains basically)
Blackemperess 2 years ago
@Blackemperess Did all