When I hear this song a flood of memories flood back to me.I was like 13 or 14 staying with my late grandfather in the smokey mountains I remember riding riding in the back of the old blue pick-up listening to this using a portable cd player going to the lake. Thanks for the video it really made my day.
Seriously people ? why are you guys fighting about religion ? Personally I hate religion! it is just something stupid made up by man! i don't believe in it! religion can not change your life, only a relationship with God can!
@peaceluvale The meaning of religion is relationship. There are true relationships with God, and those are true religion. But you know what? You can't have a relationship between God and man unless wants to. So religion is always half man-made.
The song has it central message no matter what anybody says or feels. Anybody can react to it anyway he/she feels. this song points to Jesus who came in pure innocence, who came down and given to us. We've been given innocence in it's purest state. we don't deserve it nor do we earn it , it can only be by grace. It is still by choice!
The song has it central message no matter what anybody says or feels. Anybody can react to it anyway he/she feels. this song points to Jesus who came in pure innocence, who came down and given to us. We've been given innocence in it's purest state. we don't deserve it nor do we earn it , it can only be by grace. It is still by choice!
A message to Nyctitropist and johnnyjohn911, cool it, please. If you want to carry a conversation take it to inbox. Relax and enjoy this song. I love it!
You have been given innocence again through Jesus dying on the cross and forgiving the sins of those who accept Him by faith as their saviour! bible-tube(dot)com
All I see is religious debates 'n whatnot -___- People will interpret this song differently than other people, simple as that. Me? I hear the words of a desperate man in a desperate situation. Calm your nips and enjoy the music.
By Christian standards, many bands can be considered "Christian" rock. A Christian lead singer does not make a song Christian, despite whatever the lyrics say. Nothing in the lyrics makes this song explicitly Christian; there's no mention of god or religious dogma. There's "grace" obviously, but that's open to a wide array of interpretations.
@johnnyjohn911 am Presbyterian. And I know this song can be seen different ways. But I've met Jon. He is a Christian. And I know what he meant by the song, you can take it in whatever way you want. The only reason HE doesn't use direct references to God is because he likes the riddle type songs. Switchfoot IS a cross-over band and many of their songs are played on secular radio a. (ran out of room >.< new comment time!)
@johnnyjohn911 most, if not all, of his songs are written like a riddle, puzzle, or poem: you have to dig deep to figure out what it means, but if you don't know what you're looking for you wont see it. I can TOTALLY see you how would see it that way. His songs are MEANT to be seen more than one way. They're meant to have only some ppl be willing enough to dig for the meaning. I see a message full of hope, not one of despair. One of joy and comfort, not of confusion and frustration. :)
I agree. A song is open to anybody's interpretation. Mine is influenced by my revolt against a strict, Catholic upbringing. But yeah...this song can be very Christian-like.
@johnnyjohn911 People will interpret differently, but just because Jesus, God, Almighty, etc isn't said in the song doesn't mean its not blatantly implied. Switchfoot is a band for God not money, and they make their music as a form of worship to God.
Christians are people, too, lol. Just because you're Christian doesn't mean you're exempt from life. Words like these are encouragement to the people who experience it as a reminder that they aren't alone.
@Nyctitropist I think differently. A Christian will hear Christian undertones of any song. Whether or not it's really there is completely on the writer. Say the writer really is Christian, and sees his "music as a form of worship to God", does it make it a song of worship to the listener? I wouldn't think so. It's up to personal interpretation. It depends on who's listening to it.
It isn't what it is. The song "is" what you want it be.
@johnnyjohn911 Christians don'e hear Christian undertones because they are Christian, they hear it because they are overtones, not undertones. Try to hear Christian undertones in anything by Lil Wayne and you'll realize the reason it's easy to hear a "Christian tone" in some music, and why it's impossible in others.
@Nyctitropist We're going around in circles. Christians will hear Christian themes in songs that some people will not, such as myself. It IS up to personal interpretation. You can't compare Lil Wayne to a band like this because they'e completely different. The lyrics in this song are ambiguous as it is.
@johnnyjohn911 I see what you mean, but that means that a point isn't being made. I used Lil Wayne as an example because you generalized music AND Christians as if they are all the same. If I say truth is relative, I am saying it is true that truth can be lies. What sense can that make? How can you hear Christian themes if you are not Christian? If I say Jesus is Lord, how then could you understand it with a different interpretation? There is only one meaning and that is true, all else is false.
@Nyctitropist I'm sure the writer of this song intended for a religious tone, that's for sure. I agree that it's his meaning, and perhaps his (and your) truth. Truth CAN be relative, in religion especially. To a Christian, Jesus' divinity is unquestionable. However, to a Muslim he is just a prophet. Religious truths are relative. But I don't want to go into that, because it's an entirely different point.
@johnnyjohn911 Don't assume that I'm a Christian just because I defend a point of view. (Though I am, I am speaking from an unbiased perspective.) Nothing is relative. It is either true or not. Whether or not someone believes the truth or the lie makes no difference, because the truth is not changed by a person's opinion. Just because you believe something is a lie, doesn't mean you're the one who believes in the truth.
@Nyctitropist Of course things are relative. One's perception of things is always different than another's. Truths that we know, like gravity or light, are verifiable and proven. Is God truth? Do we have a sufficient amount of empirical evidence to prove the existence of a creator deity? Unbiased or not, truth can sometimes be relative. Religion especially. Speak to the Christian who's been a devotee his/her entire life, and he'll never be aware of, for example, the Islamic/Buddhist experience.
@Airsoftattack123 yeah sorry bout the swearing and I actually have no hatred towards the religion or the people in it I just don't like people who have no common sense like that guy/girl
@maranathaekklesia Christianity was also a man made religion you retard how else would people have started believing it everyone didn't just have it randomly spawn in their freaking minds you dumb shit
@Jaku97 If you read the bible you would know, but as of now, you have no idea what your talking about. And chill out man, I appreciate your opinion.But do you have to swear? It's peoples beliefs and you should respect that because Christianity will never go away. So its not worth it man. Understand us, we will never change. Your comment is not going to do anything so just save a minute or two, and stop. I am not going to try to change your belief because its to personal. Specially for youtube.
Stop it VicTaylor49 an eggroast! dude comments are ment to be to the song, not about a religious discussion. Dont start insulting me im religious myself and i know what im saying, but you are both Christians, and you are fighting with each other! Arent you violating the essence of being a Christian?
when you dies everything about you does. no part of you goes anywhere!!!! nothing goes flying into the clouds. The dead are conscious of nothing and so on and so forth.you have no reason to think they're burning in hell or living happily in heaven. they're in the earth, back where we all came from.
well i don't know if any of what i wrote is relevant but all i wanted to say at first was that
Raven, no then where is the paradise that Jesus sent the thief on the cross with him to? and we do have reason to believe, [ I Never Knew You ] "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:20-22 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter)
why are all the videos comments full of about god. it's been like that for the past 3 switchfoot videos....
but i'm gonna contribute .... God loves everyone. He never said anyone would go to a place called "hell". the bible never says that word. they used "she'ol" which has nothing to do with eternal flames and has an entirely different meaning (which i'm sorry for not remembering). and jesus compared death to a long sleep and the bible clearly explains that when you die, everything about you
i am sorry to say everything you said is completely wrong and you obviosly dont know much about what the Bible says. im not saying this in a way to offend you tho, jus saying that if your gonna make a comment like that at least make sure its truthfull.
Add on to the other comment of the verses. But it does say and whoever does not believe will be condemned, NOT whoever does not believe and be baptized.
here are a few verse: The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." Mark 1:15 i didnt see and be baptized in their or the others im about to showBut overhearing what they said, Jesus said to the ruler of the synagogue, "Do not fear, only believe." Mark 5:36 again no baptizim Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned Mark 16:16 now it does say whoever is baptized,
yes, hun i know you have to beileive and its abvious but if your saying that you dont have to be baptized in Jesus name your are going against his own words. theres nothing more to it.
dont try to escape the argument, at least reply to what i have tried to show you. you have twisted Jesus's words as so many have, or at least misinterpretted, and obviously my proof that you dont have to be baptized is legitamate, and of course it wont be directly going against baptizim because it is a good thing. you have said nothing about a pastor having a hold on our relationships with Jesus, is it because youre escaping it because you dont know the answer? please reply to those
theres no way to twist his words when their so plain and simple. my DOCTRINE is 100% correct and im not ignoring your questions i do obviously know the answer. i know exactly what your trying to show me and i know why you think its "right". ive taken many classes and they go down the root hebrew and greek words. your church is going against the bible. i agree we should stop, ive done my part in showing the truth and now i'll say ... goodbye =]
my church goes against nothing in his word being a bible church. i guarentee it. your church is mislead palcing man in so high an authority, actualy placing him right next to God if you think about it, that doctrine of yours says that God has no power over whether we get saved and go to heaven, but instead that a pastor does. you have no sence to see that, either that or are so blindined by growing up listening to this preaching you hear weekly
you talk about hebrew and greek. why. why is a different language proof. why do you use it as proof. its a language , sure the original language but you seem to rely very heavily on it. fall on Jesus, not what the different Bible translations, and which is more accurate. you sound too congregationalist
also i gaurentee that thief had no time to be baptized after Jesus saved him, you and obviously your churches theory is off, not saying you wont go to heaven, im sure you will, as will I, but at least we should end this argument, its sending a bad message, that there are multiple versions of christianity
oh and sorry bout the thing where Paul said it, but even so, nothing could be more true even if it was to encourage, it does not say be baptized in their to "encourage" them only says that
continued from the top one, please reply to those about the pastors hold on our reltionships with jesus, id like to hear your thoughts. you have to admit that God would never put our going to heaven on a pastors shoulders, a human, inherently sinful. your God is a cruel God i must say, if he condems the followers of himself that have jsut died and had no time to be baptized, and an irespoinsible one to put it on a sinful mans hands. please reply back
But isn't a pastor (or a vicar, if you're from where I am) a representive of God? We go to them to be forgiven for our sins, because God needs some form of "himself", as it were, here. I don't think I explained that very well, but you get the general gist.
It also remains that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. There is no right or wrong answer when it comes to matters such as religion. The only things we can put forward here are our opinions.
yes a representative, we do not go to him though to confess, God tore apart the veil when Jesus was crucified, the viel in the temple was there to seperate God from us because he was to holy, he tore it in 2 to show that we could directly approach him, in prayer, not through a pastor, and God has a form on earth, and needs nothing, he has givin the holy spirit
@eggroast - What was your point? The fact of the matter is that people go to people from the church to confess their sins. The person from the church then forgives them, therefore doing the work of the Lord.
man cannot forgive the sins that man has made against God considering that pastor has sinned against him too, forgiveness on someone elses behalf is not forgiveness at all. My God is a personal God, yours seems far fetched and distant from us. christians, at least real ones, dont go to any mortal to confess their sins, they go to the only one with the ability to do it
@eggroast - Lol. You make me laugh. So you're saying that the millions of people who go to confession every Sunday aren't real Christians? Good job with putting your foot in you're mouth, kid.
yeah im sayin that, and guess what? they dont thats catholics, and putting your foot in your mouth?........ yeah ok... putting your foot in your mouth is an expression used when you trap yourself in your own words... Jesus said confess your sin to no man, but to your Father in heaven
no they dont. just catholics, muslims dont do it at all, buudhists dont they just try tog et inner peace, hinduus dont, most religions actualy dont, i think your facts are waaaaaay off kid
im not religious im christian. christianity is relationship not religion. and an insult at my ability to insult? cool, i take that as a compliment, and actualy i use that all the time :\ unfortunately. and hey nice turn in the conversation their bud, start talkin about religion and i prove you wrong and then you take a turn and call me unreligious, evasion much?
@eggroast - I called you unreligious because you obviously don't understand these things. Having admitted it, I think it would be best for you to stop now, yeah?
You have, at no point, proved I am wrong. You have merely proved your own lack of knowledge in this area.
@VicTaylor49 uh yeah christians are unreligious... christianity is not a religion its a faith and relationship and love. no actualy i did prove you are wrong, no other leading, or known religions ask forgiveness from priests except cathlocis and actualy i have a good amount of knowledge in this area, i study it -.- ive done extensive research on other religions
@eggroast - With that single sentence: 'Christianty is not a religion' you lost what little understanding you still had. If you truly have studied it, then you have failed to take in what you are meant to be learning. You cannot understand religion simply by studying it.
@VicTaylor49 no, christianity isnt a religion, TONS of people think it is, even christians themselves, and technically yes it is, but its mroe than that, its deeper, religion is mans attempt to get closer to God, this is about mans solution to getting nearer to him, this isnt about constantly striving to get to a goal that is impossible to reach, this is about you, God, and other believers, this "religion" if you insist, is about growing nearer, and learning more about God
@eggroast - You contradict yourself here, again. "no, christianity isnt a religion" and "technically yes it is" prove you both can't plan out an argument and you have no idea what you are talking about.
Religion can be interpreted in many different ways. Just because you have one way of interpreting it, doesn't mean that other people won't have different ways. Don't force your opinions on other people.
@VicTaylor49 didnt contradict myself, corrected myself and i didnt force it on you. youre forcing yours on me, if i was forcing it on you, this conversation would be much different, im only replying back to what youre saying to me in a contradictory way
@eggroast - By saying you "corrected" yourself, you are technically saying that the second thing you said was right. Therefore, you contradict yourself.
Aaaaaand that's another load of rubbish from you. You have forced your opinions on many people on this video, and none of them have agreed with you by the end of it.
@VicTaylor49 people make mistakes, contradicting myself would be myself agreeing with 2 opposite things i said, i only agree with one, and i dont honestly care if none agree, and again, it isnt forcing, its telling, what is your definition of forcing?
@eggroast - The use of the word "corrected" was therefore wrong. As I've said, if you expect people to meet your argument, think about how you can present your argument in a clear way. It's not rocket science.
So you are telling other people what their opinions shoud be. How is that any different from forcing your opinion on others exactly?
@VicTaylor49 no uhm, it wasnt wrong, i corrected myself, lol how is that wrong? i made a statement, then said it was wrong and made a new one that i thought was right. corrected. and telling other people what their opinions should be, hm yeah i guess i did do that, but how else do you get people to believe what you do? and im not talking about their opinions, im talking about theirs, mainly yours, beliefs
@eggroast - I am repeating myself, and I won't be doing it again. The use of the word "corrected" supports the second statement you made, as your first statment "was wrong" and you "made a new one that i thought was right".
And there you've admitted to forcing your opinions on others. I'm not trying to get people to believe what I believe. I am having a discussion with you about both of our beliefs and you are forcing your opinions and beliefs on myself and others.
@eggroast - If you are talking about my first point, you have not admitted that.
If you are talking about my second, you denyed it until I defeated your argument. Can you not see that forcing your opinion on others and telling them what their opinion should be is wrong?
@VicTaylor49 you didnt defeat my argument, i gave up, knowing and accepting that i didnt know enough, shamefully, to combat your arguments, so i gave up, but ok, if you want me too ill say that you "defeated" my argument, but if there is any other way of trying to keep someone away from death besides changing their opinion for them, then tell me how? for example, i know smoking kills people, should i not tell them so? and tel them why i think that? thats all ive been doing here i think
@eggroast - If you "didn't know enough" to combat my arguments then you shouldn't get into these arguments in the first place.
There is a difference between religion and smoking, but we can run with this idea anyway. It is a free world, and therefore you don't have the right to tell people how they should live their lives, either on the subject of religion or smoking. You do not have the right to change people's opinions for them.
@VicTaylor49 well, i started it because i didnt know what you knew, or what i knew, it was a good experience i think because now i know i need to learn more, and how much i do know, i know i dont have the right, i have the duty. if a truck is comeing towards you that you dont know about, ill yell at you and scream at you until you move, same basic principle, i care for people, so therefore i will do all i can to keep them away form that truck, which is hell
@eggroast - The truck is an even worse comparision, and I won't be working on with that.
You do not have the duty, because if you believe you have the duty, you also believe you have the right. I don't see why people can't mind their own business and let people live their lives the way they want.
@eggroast - How would you feel if someone came up to you and demanded you gave up your religion? I'm sure you'd be pretty pissed off/upset/angry. These are the emotions you are giving to people when you try to change them.
@VicTaylor49 i dont care how upset people get when i tell them about the gospel, its nothing compared the hell, and the Great Commision says(Jesus said this) that we are to go into all the worl and make disciples, and im not demanding they give up their religion, im convincing them why theirs is wrong and mine is right,
@eggroast - First off, I have to pull out your statement that if you get hit by a truck you go to hell. Laughable really doesn't describe it.
You also contradict yourself again, with your statements "i care too much" and "i don't care how upset people get". These do not show a care for humanity. They merely show that you want to feel important by stating your opinions to people who don't want to hear them.
@VicTaylor49 i never said you go to hell, i said the truck is supposed to symbolize it, and i care too much the same way a parent spanks their child, i care long term, i care for their future, not their petty feelings that last only moments. i care whether they go to hell or heaven, and i dont feel important, but i know that i am, and that every one is important, to God. and again, i care for their future, no matter how hard it is to get to heaven its worth it
@VicTaylor49 well if you want to call spanking hitting then i guess yeah i would support that, anyone that doesnt punish their child doesnt truly care about the way they turn out, their future, because if they arent punished they wont know not to do something, which would make them natural criminals
@eggroast - Then we should move away from this topic. There is a difference between hitting and punishing your child, and I truly hope that, if you continue to believe that hitting children makes them better people, you never have children.
@VicTaylor49 actually i turned out fine, morally and ethically, i just disagree with you, and anger brings out the worst of people, no need to start throwing insults,(i was talking about you with the anger thing :\) and alright, i GUESS ill let you decide/interprety what i understand and dont.
@eggroast - You think hitting children is right. That is not ethical.
If you like I am either angry or insulting you, then you are once again showing your poor experience of the world. If you do insist on following the route of attempting to turn everyone you meet into Christians, you will meet far angrier people than me, who won't just insult you.
@eggroast - You yourself have admitted that you haven't got anything substantial to back up your arguments with, and you have a lacking experience of the world. Therefore, it should only be logical that you go away and fulfill both of these things before entering into any more of these discussions.
@eggroast - Once again, and for the last time, being open minded is not doubting. Being open minded is being accepting that others may have different view points and beliefs, not hounded people about those beliefs, and knowing that most religions in the world have at least a slight basis of fact.
@eggroast - Religion is open to interpretation. Let me use an example. History shows that there was definitely a man called Jesus, the same as there was definitely a man called Shakespeare. But whether he was the son of God or not is the thing up for interpretation, as that cannot be proven.
This is what is called having an open mind. This is one of the things you will learn when you step out into the world.
@VicTaylor49 well, thanks, but i dont think that i CAN believe or come into a conversation with the idea that its plausible that he wasnt :\ i cant doubt the one that gave me the greatest gift mankind has ever, and will ever have known
@eggroast - You do not need to doubt your religion to realise that it may not automatically be right. I have now revised my opinion of you. I no longer believe you are stupid. I now believe you are naive and ill educated. Nothing in life is automatically right, and it just shows your poor experience of the world that you believe something could be.
@VicTaylor49 i believe in facts, some things just are, gravity for one, it just is, it is automatically fact, right. just as i believe in gravity i also believe just as firmly in my religion, and your right, i dont have much experience of the world yet,
and to assume that your religion is not right is doubt
@eggroast - What makes our religion the right one? The first thing you have to learn if you want to enter religious arguments, is that no religion is automatically "right", because each different religion has separate things backing it up and proof to its effect. Nothing in the world is automatically right.
@VicTaylor49 i think you meen your reiligion? because you and i are not of the same belief system. and i dont need to know how to debate or the basics of debating or the first thing i need to know in your opinion, i need to know that God commisioned me to spread the gospel, and i will go into any argument knowing that the reiligon i follow is automaticaly right, if i doubt my religion, then do i really follow it at all? and there are plenty facts in this world(things that are automaticaly right
@eggroast God! JEZUS CHRIST!! you are such a tool. Of course they want you to "make diciples". Why because 2000 fucking years ago every thing was chaotic. And the only way to make sure that your neihbors were not going to kill you and take your land was through religeon. If you know that every one around you believes the same crap. It is just a survival tool, there was nothing to keep people governed unless they were afraid of invisible threats
@ROFLwarrior things were chaotic, but God knew what was goin on, he didnt just tell them to make disciples so they didnt all get kill by the barbarians that destroyed rome,(literally barbarians) he did it because he loved all of them, and didnt want any one of them to go to hell, call me what you want, im proud to be a tool in the hands of God
also do the words which are spoken in the Bible "depart from me, i never knew you" ring a bell? learn the Bible And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. Revelation 19:20, the lake of fire is hell obviously, man you gotta read the Bible it does talk about heaven
possibley because switchfoot is a band with songs with christian meanings :) but thats another debate. and btw youre theology is a thoussand miles off
The whole reason its pointless without God, is that if u died today, and u lived a happy life, it would be pointless in the end. With no eternal value, whats the difference between a Saint and a Rapist?
Life is not pointless without God, to respect ourselves and to grow as a race, is to know the difference a saint and a rapist... the simplest comparison you could make.... one is a sadistic, sick cunt, who deserves death. One is a kind, generous person, who deserves a long, fulfilled life.... because a good deed is not done to be rewarded.... and if you are only going to be a good person so you can get into heaven... you don't deserve to be in heaven.
haha, thats an interesting reply, people who only do good deeds to get to heaven are religious, and jesus said they are the worst of the bunch...worse than the prostitutes! U dont really understand that comment i put, if there is NO absolute justice or judge, our sense of right and wrong is our opinions. So someone who is a sick sadistic cunt could be just as right and good as a saint! Do u understand that point? Life as a race means, survive, breed, and die...is that what lifes about?
sure everyone can have thier own beliefs, and they can base that on whatever they want, but a christian that has a relationship with the true God, (whos name is Jesus)... they follow & base their beliefs and life on the Bible. Clearly the bible says that God is a merciful God and anyone who seeks forgiveness and truely means it when they repent, get baptized in Jesus name, recieves the Holy Ghost, follows God, & listens to his commandments... that is the person who'll go to heaven
eggroast: how will a person with sin enter the gates of heaven? God is Holy and surely no one can enter heaven without being 'pure of heart' (with no sin) in order to be forgiven of your sins you MUST follow acts 2:38 King James Version. "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" surely the bible is perfect with no mistakes. why would it be there so clear if it was not nessecary. God bless.
alright then, fair enough but think on this then, that would mean that a pastor controls our salvation? if he denies to baptize us? we cant go to heaven? i wasnt informed that man controled our salvation, i thought that man had no power over me, as it DOES say in the Bible. and i frgot which verse this other one was, but it basicaly says the same thing that one does, except it also says that you dont need to be baptized, ill try to find the reference
oh and frikn, the bible also says "Belive in the Lord Jesus and confess with your mouth, and you will be saved." jesus himself spoke those words. thats and add on to my other reply to you
eggroast, firstly, it is our desicion to get baptized but we first must know what baptism is and what it means. NO MAN CONTROLS OUR SALVATION amen! like you said. Pastors cannot deny us to be baptized and if any pastor does this to you once you are completely sure you wanna baptize yourself then your at the wrong church.Secondly, the verse you just told me is romans 10:9.and it was NOT jesus who spoke those words it was Paul. and he wasnt speaking to new believers he was speaking to the Church.
yes but IF, IF all pastors turned evil this second and all denied my baptizm, your idea DOES put salvation in a pastors hands, even if he doesnt deny it, he could, and also, you have condemned the man on his deathbed that has just seen the light, and came to christ, you think Jesus wont take one of his followers to heaven with him? and another thing
jesus said to the thief on the cross to come to him in paradise, that thief had not time to be baptized im sure
annnd also no matter which way you twist it, you have put salvation into a sinful mortals hands. MY God would never rely so heavily on one man, unlless he considers me, and every other person unimportant tot he kingdom of heaven, yours however apperently does. and another verse. "believe on the lord Jesus and you will be saved" and by all means get baptized but it isnt necessary. i have no idea how many christians have died without being baptized, but they arent in hell i assure you
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. John 1 :12 this is the one God gave me im sure of it. He gave the right to th em who believed, not them who believed and were baptized, obviously your version of christianity wont send you to hell, im just tryin to portray the truth to you, which is easily visible in all ive said and shown
@eggroast: continuing.. he spoke those words to re-establish their faith. if you read the whole book of romans you will see that it continually speaks about being baptized in Jesus name and its importance. Now to make this very important point clear ill show you John 3:5 JESUS said. "verily, verily, i say unto thee. Except a man be born again of WATER and of the SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
pastors can deny baptizin, it is within their power, they CAN say no, sure htye wont but they CAn cant they? or do you think God MAKES them do it, and God makes no one do anything.
as a MUSLIM I love them so stfu
runafes 2 months ago
@runafes same here!!
kailuv04 1 month ago
The music is good the words is good Switchfoot is strong and the hope in this song is real thank for posting
gigiDol 3 months ago
switchfoot!
thank god he created MUSIC
*___*
lhvmm711985 3 months ago
How bout we thank God for giving them the talent to make great music for us to enjoy
TheTbuddy17 3 months ago
Omg stop making comments about religion. If ur guna write hate comments, don't write comments at all.
MrLaxified123 4 months ago
When I hear this song a flood of memories flood back to me.I was like 13 or 14 staying with my late grandfather in the smokey mountains I remember riding riding in the back of the old blue pick-up listening to this using a portable cd player going to the lake. Thanks for the video it really made my day.
sixsixgunx 5 months ago
I'm Catholic,and I love Switchfoot.
Have a problem with that? Then it's your problem.
Some of you might think that Switchfoot is making money out of belief,
tell you what; They want to express their feelings and love to god by making songs, they want people to feel the same way.
Haven't you even ask yourself how did you know that they are intentionally making profit from their songs for their own pleasure?
winnerkyna 5 months ago 2
music > religion...
enjoy the music guys.... <3
ankurgarg1986 6 months ago
Seriously people ? why are you guys fighting about religion ? Personally I hate religion! it is just something stupid made up by man! i don't believe in it! religion can not change your life, only a relationship with God can!
peaceluvale 6 months ago 15
@peaceluvale The meaning of religion is relationship. There are true relationships with God, and those are true religion. But you know what? You can't have a relationship between God and man unless wants to. So religion is always half man-made.
mattlewis66 4 months ago in playlist YouTube Mix for Switchfoot
"It's a bitter end when the sweet (life) begins.."
Who dares to tell them? Who will humble themselves? Who will join the harvesters? God has called You out.
nigsplzz 6 months ago
awesum!!! v love u switchfoot
angel78323 6 months ago
SWITCHFOOT = PERFECTION <3
LOsT1871 7 months ago
The song has it central message no matter what anybody says or feels. Anybody can react to it anyway he/she feels. this song points to Jesus who came in pure innocence, who came down and given to us. We've been given innocence in it's purest state. we don't deserve it nor do we earn it , it can only be by grace. It is still by choice!
mcmizzle09 9 months ago
The song has it central message no matter what anybody says or feels. Anybody can react to it anyway he/she feels. this song points to Jesus who came in pure innocence, who came down and given to us. We've been given innocence in it's purest state. we don't deserve it nor do we earn it , it can only be by grace. It is still by choice!
mcmizzle09 9 months ago
@mcmizzle09 true that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xFrUiTySmoothie1 8 months ago
Pretty sure it's "When you're broken heart burns down," not goes down. just sayin, still LOVE the video!
bballjosh23 9 months ago
w8... how does this song only have 100 thousand views!!!
kycore 9 months ago
who are you gonna be? when you're on your knees, who do you believe?
twisterooz 10 months ago
This is the Switchfoot song that I have listened more times. Never get enought of it.
josemo1 10 months ago 2
2:50 soooo relaxing
josemo1 10 months ago
I just heard this song today on the radio! :D What a wonderful song it is!
Elegance000 11 months ago
=p switchfoots the only band that can make me break the replay button like this
JoeRiner 11 months ago 2
A message to Nyctitropist and johnnyjohn911, cool it, please. If you want to carry a conversation take it to inbox. Relax and enjoy this song. I love it!
Strawberry1139 11 months ago
You have been given innocence again through Jesus dying on the cross and forgiving the sins of those who accept Him by faith as their saviour! bible-tube(dot)com
fabienmaga 1 year ago
... lovely
WorldWar2ismylastnam 1 year ago
10 out of 10
yugiohsEmoKid 1 year ago
I cannot describe how much I love this song!!!
Switchfootfan1594 1 year ago 2
oh my gosh. I love this song, it give so much hope!
"Grace is Sufficiency.
But, oh dear, we'll never deserve it
No dear, we never could earn it
Now, here, the choice is yours."
So true! Grace is all you need, you can never earn it. We are terrible people in a terrible world and we don't deserve grace!
like he said:
"When you're on your knees who do you believe?
.... The choice is yours."
Switchfootfan1594 1 year ago
my brothers favorite part is when he says grace is high or low!
Angelika08gagafan 1 year ago 3
great
kispankum 1 year ago
this is melting my heart :)
Risse526 1 year ago 3
@ eggroast @VicTaylor49 dude guys chilll, its ok. this isnt worth fighting over like little kids.
relientk4Jesus 1 year ago 2
"Who are you Ganna Bee When Your On Your Knees Who do you Believe" ♥
JismellyEly12 1 year ago 6
@JismellyEly12 lol you spelled "be" wrong just saying
yoitsesco 2 weeks ago
God gives Jon Foreman his lyrics??? WTF? Freak.
d051533705 1 year ago 2
Great :-)
andrjuxa144 1 year ago
All I see is religious debates 'n whatnot -___- People will interpret this song differently than other people, simple as that. Me? I hear the words of a desperate man in a desperate situation. Calm your nips and enjoy the music.
johnnyjohn911 1 year ago 66
@johnnyjohn911 Haha, calm your nips. That's pretty funny. But I agree with you
landocommando88 1 year ago 3
@johnnyjohn911 The thing is, Jon Foreman (lead singer of Swithcfoot) IS a Christian, and this IS a Christian song.
I respect your opinion, and I see how you could see it that way.
Just remember my FAVORITE Jon Foreman quote: "Music is what I do. Christ is why I do it."
nuff said.
Switchfootfan1594 1 year ago
@Switchfootfan1594
By Christian standards, many bands can be considered "Christian" rock. A Christian lead singer does not make a song Christian, despite whatever the lyrics say. Nothing in the lyrics makes this song explicitly Christian; there's no mention of god or religious dogma. There's "grace" obviously, but that's open to a wide array of interpretations.
Of what Christian denomination are you?
johnnyjohn911 1 year ago
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abcproductions12 1 year ago
@johnnyjohn911 am Presbyterian. And I know this song can be seen different ways. But I've met Jon. He is a Christian. And I know what he meant by the song, you can take it in whatever way you want. The only reason HE doesn't use direct references to God is because he likes the riddle type songs. Switchfoot IS a cross-over band and many of their songs are played on secular radio a. (ran out of room >.< new comment time!)
Switchfootfan1594 1 year ago
@johnnyjohn911 most, if not all, of his songs are written like a riddle, puzzle, or poem: you have to dig deep to figure out what it means, but if you don't know what you're looking for you wont see it. I can TOTALLY see you how would see it that way. His songs are MEANT to be seen more than one way. They're meant to have only some ppl be willing enough to dig for the meaning. I see a message full of hope, not one of despair. One of joy and comfort, not of confusion and frustration. :)
Switchfootfan1594 1 year ago
@Switchfootfan1594
I agree. A song is open to anybody's interpretation. Mine is influenced by my revolt against a strict, Catholic upbringing. But yeah...this song can be very Christian-like.
johnnyjohn911 1 year ago
@johnnyjohn911 oh my gosh. I love this song, it give so much hope!
"Grace is Sufficiency.
But, oh dear, we'll never deserve it
No dear, we never could earn it
Now, here, the choice is yours."
So true! Grace is all you need, you can never earn it. We are terrible people in a terrible world and we don't deserve grace!
like he said:
"When you're on your knees who do you believe?
.... The choice is yours."
Switchfootfan1594 1 year ago
@johnnyjohn911 People will interpret differently, but just because Jesus, God, Almighty, etc isn't said in the song doesn't mean its not blatantly implied. Switchfoot is a band for God not money, and they make their music as a form of worship to God.
Christians are people, too, lol. Just because you're Christian doesn't mean you're exempt from life. Words like these are encouragement to the people who experience it as a reminder that they aren't alone.
Hear what you want, it is what it is.
Nyctitropist 1 year ago 3
@Nyctitropist I think differently. A Christian will hear Christian undertones of any song. Whether or not it's really there is completely on the writer. Say the writer really is Christian, and sees his "music as a form of worship to God", does it make it a song of worship to the listener? I wouldn't think so. It's up to personal interpretation. It depends on who's listening to it.
It isn't what it is. The song "is" what you want it be.
johnnyjohn911 1 year ago
@johnnyjohn911 Christians don'e hear Christian undertones because they are Christian, they hear it because they are overtones, not undertones. Try to hear Christian undertones in anything by Lil Wayne and you'll realize the reason it's easy to hear a "Christian tone" in some music, and why it's impossible in others.
Nyctitropist 1 year ago
@Nyctitropist We're going around in circles. Christians will hear Christian themes in songs that some people will not, such as myself. It IS up to personal interpretation. You can't compare Lil Wayne to a band like this because they'e completely different. The lyrics in this song are ambiguous as it is.
johnnyjohn911 1 year ago
@johnnyjohn911 I see what you mean, but that means that a point isn't being made. I used Lil Wayne as an example because you generalized music AND Christians as if they are all the same. If I say truth is relative, I am saying it is true that truth can be lies. What sense can that make? How can you hear Christian themes if you are not Christian? If I say Jesus is Lord, how then could you understand it with a different interpretation? There is only one meaning and that is true, all else is false.
Nyctitropist 1 year ago
@Nyctitropist I'm sure the writer of this song intended for a religious tone, that's for sure. I agree that it's his meaning, and perhaps his (and your) truth. Truth CAN be relative, in religion especially. To a Christian, Jesus' divinity is unquestionable. However, to a Muslim he is just a prophet. Religious truths are relative. But I don't want to go into that, because it's an entirely different point.
johnnyjohn911 1 year ago
@johnnyjohn911 Don't assume that I'm a Christian just because I defend a point of view. (Though I am, I am speaking from an unbiased perspective.) Nothing is relative. It is either true or not. Whether or not someone believes the truth or the lie makes no difference, because the truth is not changed by a person's opinion. Just because you believe something is a lie, doesn't mean you're the one who believes in the truth.
Nyctitropist 1 year ago
@Nyctitropist Of course things are relative. One's perception of things is always different than another's. Truths that we know, like gravity or light, are verifiable and proven. Is God truth? Do we have a sufficient amount of empirical evidence to prove the existence of a creator deity? Unbiased or not, truth can sometimes be relative. Religion especially. Speak to the Christian who's been a devotee his/her entire life, and he'll never be aware of, for example, the Islamic/Buddhist experience.
johnnyjohn911 1 year ago
@johnnyjohn911 right lol!
sweeticetea100 8 months ago
if this is your favorite song, aside from the christian stuff, listen to the beatles!
concretesurfer124 1 year ago
@Airsoftattack123 yeah sorry bout the swearing and I actually have no hatred towards the religion or the people in it I just don't like people who have no common sense like that guy/girl
Jaku97 1 year ago
I love this song, I adore this band, I praise my God
3Blue3Moon3 1 year ago 2
@3Blue3Moon3 exactly
spongytide12 1 year ago
I agree this is one of my favorite songs too. :)
I absolutely love switchfoot.
evilscientistgirl 1 year ago 28
@evilscientistgirl me too, my current fav SF song!
Switchfootfan1594 1 year ago
@maranathaekklesia Christianity was also a man made religion you retard how else would people have started believing it everyone didn't just have it randomly spawn in their freaking minds you dumb shit
Jaku97 1 year ago
@Jaku97 If you read the bible you would know, but as of now, you have no idea what your talking about. And chill out man, I appreciate your opinion.But do you have to swear? It's peoples beliefs and you should respect that because Christianity will never go away. So its not worth it man. Understand us, we will never change. Your comment is not going to do anything so just save a minute or two, and stop. I am not going to try to change your belief because its to personal. Specially for youtube.
Airsoftattack123 1 year ago
@maranathaekklesia
Jaku97 1 year ago
Awsome =D
sinneramugstthesaint 1 year ago
awesome guitar!
rockydog2040 1 year ago
Sounds so latin!
larasoto1991 1 year ago
i have to say that i agree with eggroast's statement that christianity is a faith and relationship, etc as opposed to a religion
there is not meant to be any other religion...all other religions are man-made and therefore not real
maranathaekklesia 1 year ago
Stop it VicTaylor49 an eggroast! dude comments are ment to be to the song, not about a religious discussion. Dont start insulting me im religious myself and i know what im saying, but you are both Christians, and you are fighting with each other! Arent you violating the essence of being a Christian?
Beppie1994 1 year ago
Grace is high...and low....wow...beautiful...we'll never be the same...
theshocktart 1 year ago
this song makes me want to play the guitar....
I LOVE SWITCHFOOT!!!!!!!!
spartin413 1 year ago
my favorite Switchfoot song! Thanks for posting!
Karalovesmusic 1 year ago
this song reminds me of Trouble is a friend by Lenka...
both songs are great!
hktiffany 1 year ago
continued
when you dies everything about you does. no part of you goes anywhere!!!! nothing goes flying into the clouds. The dead are conscious of nothing and so on and so forth.you have no reason to think they're burning in hell or living happily in heaven. they're in the earth, back where we all came from.
well i don't know if any of what i wrote is relevant but all i wanted to say at first was that
I LOVE SWITCHFOOT <3
ravensncrows 1 year ago
Raven, no then where is the paradise that Jesus sent the thief on the cross with him to? and we do have reason to believe, [ I Never Knew You ] "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:20-22 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter)
17.Matthew 8:11
I tell you, many will come from east and west and recline at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven
eggroast 1 year ago
Continued. And hell alot we have many reasons to believe read the book of revelation asap
eggroast 1 year ago
why are all the videos comments full of about god. it's been like that for the past 3 switchfoot videos....
but i'm gonna contribute .... God loves everyone. He never said anyone would go to a place called "hell". the bible never says that word. they used "she'ol" which has nothing to do with eternal flames and has an entirely different meaning (which i'm sorry for not remembering). and jesus compared death to a long sleep and the bible clearly explains that when you die, everything about you
ravensncrows 1 year ago
i am sorry to say everything you said is completely wrong and you obviosly dont know much about what the Bible says. im not saying this in a way to offend you tho, jus saying that if your gonna make a comment like that at least make sure its truthfull.
ifriknluvu 1 year ago
Add on to the other comment of the verses. But it does say and whoever does not believe will be condemned, NOT whoever does not believe and be baptized.
eggroast 1 year ago
also in the original transcript it says 'HELL' sheol means an abyss or dark place. and seol (in hebrew means hell)
ifriknluvu 1 year ago
here are a few verse: The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." Mark 1:15 i didnt see and be baptized in their or the others im about to showBut overhearing what they said, Jesus said to the ruler of the synagogue, "Do not fear, only believe." Mark 5:36 again no baptizim Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned Mark 16:16 now it does say whoever is baptized,
eggroast 1 year ago
yes, hun i know you have to beileive and its abvious but if your saying that you dont have to be baptized in Jesus name your are going against his own words. theres nothing more to it.
ifriknluvu 1 year ago
dont try to escape the argument, at least reply to what i have tried to show you. you have twisted Jesus's words as so many have, or at least misinterpretted, and obviously my proof that you dont have to be baptized is legitamate, and of course it wont be directly going against baptizim because it is a good thing. you have said nothing about a pastor having a hold on our relationships with Jesus, is it because youre escaping it because you dont know the answer? please reply to those
eggroast 1 year ago
theres no way to twist his words when their so plain and simple. my DOCTRINE is 100% correct and im not ignoring your questions i do obviously know the answer. i know exactly what your trying to show me and i know why you think its "right". ive taken many classes and they go down the root hebrew and greek words. your church is going against the bible. i agree we should stop, ive done my part in showing the truth and now i'll say ... goodbye =]
ifriknluvu 1 year ago
my church goes against nothing in his word being a bible church. i guarentee it. your church is mislead palcing man in so high an authority, actualy placing him right next to God if you think about it, that doctrine of yours says that God has no power over whether we get saved and go to heaven, but instead that a pastor does. you have no sence to see that, either that or are so blindined by growing up listening to this preaching you hear weekly
eggroast 1 year ago
you talk about hebrew and greek. why. why is a different language proof. why do you use it as proof. its a language , sure the original language but you seem to rely very heavily on it. fall on Jesus, not what the different Bible translations, and which is more accurate. you sound too congregationalist
eggroast 1 year ago
also i gaurentee that thief had no time to be baptized after Jesus saved him, you and obviously your churches theory is off, not saying you wont go to heaven, im sure you will, as will I, but at least we should end this argument, its sending a bad message, that there are multiple versions of christianity
eggroast 1 year ago
oh and sorry bout the thing where Paul said it, but even so, nothing could be more true even if it was to encourage, it does not say be baptized in their to "encourage" them only says that
eggroast 1 year ago
continued from the top one, please reply to those about the pastors hold on our reltionships with jesus, id like to hear your thoughts. you have to admit that God would never put our going to heaven on a pastors shoulders, a human, inherently sinful. your God is a cruel God i must say, if he condems the followers of himself that have jsut died and had no time to be baptized, and an irespoinsible one to put it on a sinful mans hands. please reply back
eggroast 1 year ago
But isn't a pastor (or a vicar, if you're from where I am) a representive of God? We go to them to be forgiven for our sins, because God needs some form of "himself", as it were, here. I don't think I explained that very well, but you get the general gist.
It also remains that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. There is no right or wrong answer when it comes to matters such as religion. The only things we can put forward here are our opinions.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
yes a representative, we do not go to him though to confess, God tore apart the veil when Jesus was crucified, the viel in the temple was there to seperate God from us because he was to holy, he tore it in 2 to show that we could directly approach him, in prayer, not through a pastor, and God has a form on earth, and needs nothing, he has givin the holy spirit
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - What was your point? The fact of the matter is that people go to people from the church to confess their sins. The person from the church then forgives them, therefore doing the work of the Lord.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
man cannot forgive the sins that man has made against God considering that pastor has sinned against him too, forgiveness on someone elses behalf is not forgiveness at all. My God is a personal God, yours seems far fetched and distant from us. christians, at least real ones, dont go to any mortal to confess their sins, they go to the only one with the ability to do it
eggroast 1 year ago 2
@eggroast - Lol. You make me laugh. So you're saying that the millions of people who go to confession every Sunday aren't real Christians? Good job with putting your foot in you're mouth, kid.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
yeah im sayin that, and guess what? they dont thats catholics, and putting your foot in your mouth?........ yeah ok... putting your foot in your mouth is an expression used when you trap yourself in your own words... Jesus said confess your sin to no man, but to your Father in heaven
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - Religious people in general confess their sins to other people. You can't deny this, and it would be stupid of you to try.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
no they dont. just catholics, muslims dont do it at all, buudhists dont they just try tog et inner peace, hinduus dont, most religions actualy dont, i think your facts are waaaaaay off kid
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - You obviously aren't religious, so I don't think you should be arguing about things that, in this context, you can't possibly understand.
Also, get your own insults. I called you 'kid' ages ago, and the best you can do is to recycle that? Pathetic.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
im not religious im christian. christianity is relationship not religion. and an insult at my ability to insult? cool, i take that as a compliment, and actualy i use that all the time :\ unfortunately. and hey nice turn in the conversation their bud, start talkin about religion and i prove you wrong and then you take a turn and call me unreligious, evasion much?
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - I called you unreligious because you obviously don't understand these things. Having admitted it, I think it would be best for you to stop now, yeah?
You have, at no point, proved I am wrong. You have merely proved your own lack of knowledge in this area.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 uh yeah christians are unreligious... christianity is not a religion its a faith and relationship and love. no actualy i did prove you are wrong, no other leading, or known religions ask forgiveness from priests except cathlocis and actualy i have a good amount of knowledge in this area, i study it -.- ive done extensive research on other religions
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - With that single sentence: 'Christianty is not a religion' you lost what little understanding you still had. If you truly have studied it, then you have failed to take in what you are meant to be learning. You cannot understand religion simply by studying it.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 no, christianity isnt a religion, TONS of people think it is, even christians themselves, and technically yes it is, but its mroe than that, its deeper, religion is mans attempt to get closer to God, this is about mans solution to getting nearer to him, this isnt about constantly striving to get to a goal that is impossible to reach, this is about you, God, and other believers, this "religion" if you insist, is about growing nearer, and learning more about God
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - You contradict yourself here, again. "no, christianity isnt a religion" and "technically yes it is" prove you both can't plan out an argument and you have no idea what you are talking about.
Religion can be interpreted in many different ways. Just because you have one way of interpreting it, doesn't mean that other people won't have different ways. Don't force your opinions on other people.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 didnt contradict myself, corrected myself and i didnt force it on you. youre forcing yours on me, if i was forcing it on you, this conversation would be much different, im only replying back to what youre saying to me in a contradictory way
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - By saying you "corrected" yourself, you are technically saying that the second thing you said was right. Therefore, you contradict yourself.
Aaaaaand that's another load of rubbish from you. You have forced your opinions on many people on this video, and none of them have agreed with you by the end of it.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 people make mistakes, contradicting myself would be myself agreeing with 2 opposite things i said, i only agree with one, and i dont honestly care if none agree, and again, it isnt forcing, its telling, what is your definition of forcing?
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - The use of the word "corrected" was therefore wrong. As I've said, if you expect people to meet your argument, think about how you can present your argument in a clear way. It's not rocket science.
So you are telling other people what their opinions shoud be. How is that any different from forcing your opinion on others exactly?
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 no uhm, it wasnt wrong, i corrected myself, lol how is that wrong? i made a statement, then said it was wrong and made a new one that i thought was right. corrected. and telling other people what their opinions should be, hm yeah i guess i did do that, but how else do you get people to believe what you do? and im not talking about their opinions, im talking about theirs, mainly yours, beliefs
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - I am repeating myself, and I won't be doing it again. The use of the word "corrected" supports the second statement you made, as your first statment "was wrong" and you "made a new one that i thought was right".
And there you've admitted to forcing your opinions on others. I'm not trying to get people to believe what I believe. I am having a discussion with you about both of our beliefs and you are forcing your opinions and beliefs on myself and others.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 yes, and i admitted that, so what does you throwing it back at me do to help either of us exactly?
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - If you are talking about my first point, you have not admitted that.
If you are talking about my second, you denyed it until I defeated your argument. Can you not see that forcing your opinion on others and telling them what their opinion should be is wrong?
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 you didnt defeat my argument, i gave up, knowing and accepting that i didnt know enough, shamefully, to combat your arguments, so i gave up, but ok, if you want me too ill say that you "defeated" my argument, but if there is any other way of trying to keep someone away from death besides changing their opinion for them, then tell me how? for example, i know smoking kills people, should i not tell them so? and tel them why i think that? thats all ive been doing here i think
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - If you "didn't know enough" to combat my arguments then you shouldn't get into these arguments in the first place.
There is a difference between religion and smoking, but we can run with this idea anyway. It is a free world, and therefore you don't have the right to tell people how they should live their lives, either on the subject of religion or smoking. You do not have the right to change people's opinions for them.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 well, i started it because i didnt know what you knew, or what i knew, it was a good experience i think because now i know i need to learn more, and how much i do know, i know i dont have the right, i have the duty. if a truck is comeing towards you that you dont know about, ill yell at you and scream at you until you move, same basic principle, i care for people, so therefore i will do all i can to keep them away form that truck, which is hell
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - The truck is an even worse comparision, and I won't be working on with that.
You do not have the duty, because if you believe you have the duty, you also believe you have the right. I don't see why people can't mind their own business and let people live their lives the way they want.
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VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 i care too much to let them live in sin. the truck isnt a worse comparison, it signifies certain death, and hell
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - How would you feel if someone came up to you and demanded you gave up your religion? I'm sure you'd be pretty pissed off/upset/angry. These are the emotions you are giving to people when you try to change them.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 i dont care how upset people get when i tell them about the gospel, its nothing compared the hell, and the Great Commision says(Jesus said this) that we are to go into all the worl and make disciples, and im not demanding they give up their religion, im convincing them why theirs is wrong and mine is right,
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - First off, I have to pull out your statement that if you get hit by a truck you go to hell. Laughable really doesn't describe it.
You also contradict yourself again, with your statements "i care too much" and "i don't care how upset people get". These do not show a care for humanity. They merely show that you want to feel important by stating your opinions to people who don't want to hear them.
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VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 i never said you go to hell, i said the truck is supposed to symbolize it, and i care too much the same way a parent spanks their child, i care long term, i care for their future, not their petty feelings that last only moments. i care whether they go to hell or heaven, and i dont feel important, but i know that i am, and that every one is important, to God. and again, i care for their future, no matter how hard it is to get to heaven its worth it
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - If you support hitting your children, then I think we should move away from this topic.
I am not talking about belief systems, I am talking about the fundamentals of religion.
You obviously do need to know how to debate, because you've failed to win the one here.
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VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 i dont support beating children, i support disciplining them, spanking their hand, yknow, grounding, etc
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - Spanking is hitting. You can emotionally damage the child. This is not something that is advised.
Nothing is a constant and therefore nothing is automatically right. Gravity is not a constant and neither is religion.
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VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 well if you want to call spanking hitting then i guess yeah i would support that, anyone that doesnt punish their child doesnt truly care about the way they turn out, their future, because if they arent punished they wont know not to do something, which would make them natural criminals
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - Then we should move away from this topic. There is a difference between hitting and punishing your child, and I truly hope that, if you continue to believe that hitting children makes them better people, you never have children.
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VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 well i was spanked, its not a hit really its a small slap, but ok moving on
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - You were spanked and looked how you turned out.
And no, you don't.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 actually i turned out fine, morally and ethically, i just disagree with you, and anger brings out the worst of people, no need to start throwing insults,(i was talking about you with the anger thing :\) and alright, i GUESS ill let you decide/interprety what i understand and dont.
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - You think hitting children is right. That is not ethical.
If you like I am either angry or insulting you, then you are once again showing your poor experience of the world. If you do insist on following the route of attempting to turn everyone you meet into Christians, you will meet far angrier people than me, who won't just insult you.
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VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@eggroast - You yourself have admitted that you haven't got anything substantial to back up your arguments with, and you have a lacking experience of the world. Therefore, it should only be logical that you go away and fulfill both of these things before entering into any more of these discussions.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@eggroast - Once again, and for the last time, being open minded is not doubting. Being open minded is being accepting that others may have different view points and beliefs, not hounded people about those beliefs, and knowing that most religions in the world have at least a slight basis of fact.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 i see
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - Religion is open to interpretation. Let me use an example. History shows that there was definitely a man called Jesus, the same as there was definitely a man called Shakespeare. But whether he was the son of God or not is the thing up for interpretation, as that cannot be proven.
This is what is called having an open mind. This is one of the things you will learn when you step out into the world.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 well, thanks, but i dont think that i CAN believe or come into a conversation with the idea that its plausible that he wasnt :\ i cant doubt the one that gave me the greatest gift mankind has ever, and will ever have known
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - You do not need to doubt your religion to realise that it may not automatically be right. I have now revised my opinion of you. I no longer believe you are stupid. I now believe you are naive and ill educated. Nothing in life is automatically right, and it just shows your poor experience of the world that you believe something could be.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 i believe in facts, some things just are, gravity for one, it just is, it is automatically fact, right. just as i believe in gravity i also believe just as firmly in my religion, and your right, i dont have much experience of the world yet,
and to assume that your religion is not right is doubt
eggroast 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 exscuse me, COULD not be right, not isnt right, put words in your mouth that you didnt say, sorry bout that
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast - What makes our religion the right one? The first thing you have to learn if you want to enter religious arguments, is that no religion is automatically "right", because each different religion has separate things backing it up and proof to its effect. Nothing in the world is automatically right.
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
@VicTaylor49 i think you meen your reiligion? because you and i are not of the same belief system. and i dont need to know how to debate or the basics of debating or the first thing i need to know in your opinion, i need to know that God commisioned me to spread the gospel, and i will go into any argument knowing that the reiligon i follow is automaticaly right, if i doubt my religion, then do i really follow it at all? and there are plenty facts in this world(things that are automaticaly right
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast God! JEZUS CHRIST!! you are such a tool. Of course they want you to "make diciples". Why because 2000 fucking years ago every thing was chaotic. And the only way to make sure that your neihbors were not going to kill you and take your land was through religeon. If you know that every one around you believes the same crap. It is just a survival tool, there was nothing to keep people governed unless they were afraid of invisible threats
ROFLwarrior 1 year ago
@ROFLwarrior things were chaotic, but God knew what was goin on, he didnt just tell them to make disciples so they didnt all get kill by the barbarians that destroyed rome,(literally barbarians) he did it because he loved all of them, and didnt want any one of them to go to hell, call me what you want, im proud to be a tool in the hands of God
eggroast 1 year ago
*your
VicTaylor49 1 year ago
also do the words which are spoken in the Bible "depart from me, i never knew you" ring a bell? learn the Bible And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its presence had done the signs by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped its image. These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with sulfur. Revelation 19:20, the lake of fire is hell obviously, man you gotta read the Bible it does talk about heaven
eggroast 1 year ago
possibley because switchfoot is a band with songs with christian meanings :) but thats another debate. and btw youre theology is a thoussand miles off
eggroast 1 year ago
This song is so sick!
God really gives Jon Foreman his lyrics.
Fredmyster09 2 years ago 10
0:00-3:28 amen
cod6free 2 years ago
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the whole song... stupid
TheAshblood 2 years ago
I don't mean the whole song is stupid, but that he quoted the entire song.
TheAshblood 2 years ago
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I love this song
cod6free 2 years ago 3
When you're on your knees who do you believe? That is the biggest question you will ever make!
remerion 2 years ago 24
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This song is right.
12aElizabeth 2 years ago
I first heard this song when my brother was playing this on the XBox while playing Bioshock (......). I got hooked immediately. :D
Praise the Lord! :D
WhyDoYouLieToMe 2 years ago 2
My life is not pointless at all thank u very much and I´m living it whitout beliving in God.
Angellike83 2 years ago
The whole reason its pointless without God, is that if u died today, and u lived a happy life, it would be pointless in the end. With no eternal value, whats the difference between a Saint and a Rapist?
hobogangster 2 years ago
Life is not pointless without God, to respect ourselves and to grow as a race, is to know the difference a saint and a rapist... the simplest comparison you could make.... one is a sadistic, sick cunt, who deserves death. One is a kind, generous person, who deserves a long, fulfilled life.... because a good deed is not done to be rewarded.... and if you are only going to be a good person so you can get into heaven... you don't deserve to be in heaven.
DeepCut89 2 years ago
haha, thats an interesting reply, people who only do good deeds to get to heaven are religious, and jesus said they are the worst of the bunch...worse than the prostitutes! U dont really understand that comment i put, if there is NO absolute justice or judge, our sense of right and wrong is our opinions. So someone who is a sick sadistic cunt could be just as right and good as a saint! Do u understand that point? Life as a race means, survive, breed, and die...is that what lifes about?
hobogangster 2 years ago 3
sure everyone can have thier own beliefs, and they can base that on whatever they want, but a christian that has a relationship with the true God, (whos name is Jesus)... they follow & base their beliefs and life on the Bible. Clearly the bible says that God is a merciful God and anyone who seeks forgiveness and truely means it when they repent, get baptized in Jesus name, recieves the Holy Ghost, follows God, & listens to his commandments... that is the person who'll go to heaven
ifriknluvu 2 years ago
ifriknluvu, you dont have to be baptized to go to heaven,
eggroast 2 years ago
eggroast: how will a person with sin enter the gates of heaven? God is Holy and surely no one can enter heaven without being 'pure of heart' (with no sin) in order to be forgiven of your sins you MUST follow acts 2:38 King James Version. "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" surely the bible is perfect with no mistakes. why would it be there so clear if it was not nessecary. God bless.
ifriknluvu 1 year ago
um i never said that anyone without sin can go into heaven....
eggroast 1 year ago
alright then, fair enough but think on this then, that would mean that a pastor controls our salvation? if he denies to baptize us? we cant go to heaven? i wasnt informed that man controled our salvation, i thought that man had no power over me, as it DOES say in the Bible. and i frgot which verse this other one was, but it basicaly says the same thing that one does, except it also says that you dont need to be baptized, ill try to find the reference
eggroast 1 year ago
oh and frikn, the bible also says "Belive in the Lord Jesus and confess with your mouth, and you will be saved." jesus himself spoke those words. thats and add on to my other reply to you
eggroast 1 year ago
eggroast, firstly, it is our desicion to get baptized but we first must know what baptism is and what it means. NO MAN CONTROLS OUR SALVATION amen! like you said. Pastors cannot deny us to be baptized and if any pastor does this to you once you are completely sure you wanna baptize yourself then your at the wrong church.Secondly, the verse you just told me is romans 10:9.and it was NOT jesus who spoke those words it was Paul. and he wasnt speaking to new believers he was speaking to the Church.
ifriknluvu 1 year ago
yes but IF, IF all pastors turned evil this second and all denied my baptizm, your idea DOES put salvation in a pastors hands, even if he doesnt deny it, he could, and also, you have condemned the man on his deathbed that has just seen the light, and came to christ, you think Jesus wont take one of his followers to heaven with him? and another thing
jesus said to the thief on the cross to come to him in paradise, that thief had not time to be baptized im sure
eggroast 1 year ago
annnd also no matter which way you twist it, you have put salvation into a sinful mortals hands. MY God would never rely so heavily on one man, unlless he considers me, and every other person unimportant tot he kingdom of heaven, yours however apperently does. and another verse. "believe on the lord Jesus and you will be saved" and by all means get baptized but it isnt necessary. i have no idea how many christians have died without being baptized, but they arent in hell i assure you
eggroast 1 year ago
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. John 1 :12 this is the one God gave me im sure of it. He gave the right to th em who believed, not them who believed and were baptized, obviously your version of christianity wont send you to hell, im just tryin to portray the truth to you, which is easily visible in all ive said and shown
eggroast 1 year ago
@eggroast: continuing.. he spoke those words to re-establish their faith. if you read the whole book of romans you will see that it continually speaks about being baptized in Jesus name and its importance. Now to make this very important point clear ill show you John 3:5 JESUS said. "verily, verily, i say unto thee. Except a man be born again of WATER and of the SPIRIT, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
ifriknluvu 1 year ago
pastors can deny baptizin, it is within their power, they CAN say no, sure htye wont but they CAn cant they? or do you think God MAKES them do it, and God makes no one do anything.
eggroast 1 year ago