The ultimate difference is, can you earn your salvation, or is it "not of works lest any man should boast" Eph2:8-9....Mormons, like Muslims believe they can tip the scale in their favor to please God to earn a place in heaven but the Bible teaches that our "good deeds and efforts" is like a child rubbing around a grease stain to try and get it out...to no avail. They are useless in our salvation.
Shouldn't we all just concentrate our efforts in Jesus Christ and what he taught us like serve others instead of criticizing others ?? I don't see a point of all this !!! I think the best people is one who serves and obeys God and does good no matter their religious affiliation. At the end, what is going to really count is how good we were, how we served and treated others. How honest and forgiving we were not all these criticism and mocking. I am mormon and that's what I'm taught in church.
@everafter0123 To quote you...."I think the best people is one who serves and obeys God...." ok now what does God say and what is the source so we can know how to obey Him? The Bible and teachings of the Pearl of Great Price and BoM do not go hand in hand....take any major teaching and they conflict...do you follow God or do you follow your emotions and your church? That is the difference between followers of Christ and Mormons
The Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon they both teach us how to obey God and how to serve and treat others just like the Bible. I'm not sure why you say they conflict with the Bible.
And like I said before... THE IMPORTANT thing is to PRACTICE what we are taught in church not to mock someone else or put down someone else. In the Mormon church we are taught to obey God, to love and to serve one another.
@everafter0123 Mormon doctrine teaches their god is an exalted man who had a beginning and that man can become god. Isa 44:6 God says (I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.) What is your ultimate source on God? The Bible or Joseph Smith's writings? The importance of this is idolatry vs worship of the one true God. has nothing to do with putting someone done, I defend against doctrines and beliefs that are anti Christ not people.
Okay, again, the IMPORTANT thing is to obey God, to obey His commandments, to serve one another, to be humble, to be forgiving. We don't have idols in the our church (Mormon), the only ones we praise and worship are God and Jesus Christ. If we talk about Joseph Smith and the things he did for the church is like talking about Peter (the apostle) and all the things he did too. We don't worship either Joseph Smith or anyone else, only God and Jesus Christ !!!
@everafter0123 but what does God require of us? according to the mormon god: we MUST be married, must be baptized in a mormon temple, but the Bible teaches that baptism could be done anywhere and everywhere. Jesus was baptized in the dirty Jordan River, Philip baptized a man in a passing body of water (some random pond). As for marriage half of the disciples weren't married, Jesus never married, and the apostle Paul was never married (so not in heaven according to LDS teachings)
Yeah, we are encouraged to get married but if you don't you are not condemned or anything. Baptism can also occur anywhere !!! "Temple baptisms," which is different than regular baptisms, are for the death only so they may choose whether to accept the church or not in the spirit world.
@everafter0123 McConkie wrote, (Celestial marriage is the gate to exaltation, and exaltation consists in the continuation of the family unit in eternity. Celestial marriage is an absolute necessity to reach this desired goal). SO if you want to live with God in heaven according to your prophet you have no choice but to be married. If you are single you will be a slave in heaven for all eternity like Paul, Jesus, John.....
@everafter0123 The Bible teaches 1 baptism done anywhere, mormons teach at least 1 baptism is required in their temple to live with God. Contradiction mate...
@ssuperbill2 Hi, first i have 2 say about this video when he talks about "good feelings" instincts r a God given gift, to help us with things that r dangerous or just don't understand. Those good feelings r the holy spirit,the spirit will go where there is truth& ther is some truth in lots of religion,&thats why u will feel it in many churches. i've heard a couple people say that when they prayed about theB.O.M.they felt nothing, but then even days later when they needed it the most the got it.
@ssuperbill2 the mormon teaches the same, u need only one baptism anywhere, but the church does provide a place. you DON'T have to be married to live with God. and some people may think that our scriptures contradict the bible but we believe in the bible, maybe we just interpret some of it differently. and keep in mind that over the thousands of years that the bible was being made and transfered and translated lots of stuff could have been easily lost.
@Angelspeaks2u The problem is the Bible teaches things like Eph 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-13, Galatians 3:11 That we are saved by faith alone...not works. Yet LDS teach we can only be saved by Jesus after all we can do and once we are worthy we can receive Him. The problem is when are we perfect and keep the whole law? When have we done all we can do? Never, we can never deserve Jesus salvation....Read moroni 10:32, 2nephi 25:23
@ssuperbill2 That is not what we believe. just like it says in John 3:16-17 we are saved through Jesus. But it's our works that we're judged on. Gal5;13 serve one another. Eccl12:14God shall judge every work. Titus3:8becareful to maintain good works. Tim1:5commandment of charity. 1cor13:2 and have not charity i am nothing.Mat25:34-46inherit the kingdom. Luke10:30-37 good samaritan. Mat5:16That they may see your good works and glorify your father which is in heaven. Take the time 2 read them all.
@Angelspeaks2u There is a distinct difference though...the book of mormon says Jesus can't save you until your perfect and the Bible teaches that you can't be perfect without Jesus. Good works are an outflowing of our faith not a requirement for our salvation. Titus 3:5-7 leading up to verse 8 which you quoted says "5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy......"
@ssuperbill2 I am happy to converse with you but can we agree that our discusion is to be friendly? do you or what do you know about lds beliefs about the plan of salvatin? i think i know why this confuses you.
@Angelspeaks2u Of course...the reason I converse is to be enlightened and enlighten others...What I know about the LDS is what their prophets have said and what their scriptures teach...I don't judge an individual believer or a group of believers I judge the doctrines of a religion and their ultimate teachings. A mormon once challenged me to read the BoM and I did and I'm interested in challenging mormons to study the BoM when they say the Bible teaches the same thing..they don't
Most of the converts to LDS in the Philippines were lapsed Catholics.
Which is not odd since most "Christlam" converts are lapsed Catholics.
Nominal (barely there) Catholics are push-overs for weird doctrines.
I know, I grew up in a Catholic family, they will believe almost anything.
About 1/2 of the total body of Catholic Doctrine/Dogma is word-of-mouth fables and Vatican supported myths that have been passed down for so many generations that they are "Facts" now.
@hammerogod Of course they would be lapsed Catholics, that is the major religion in the Phillipines. I am a Catholic and I won't just believe anything, I will only believe what is in the Catechism which explains scripturally the basis of our beliefs. Tradition has become fact in Protestantism and don't ever believe that it hasn't, A interprets the scripture in one way and pass it on as truth to others and B does the same and C does the same etc. - result 30,000 denominations.
The most Loving, Devout, Kind, Sincere, Caring, Self-Sacrificing, God Loving and Holy Living people I have ever known were Catholic.
My Grandfather Lucian, Grandmother Lilly, Uncle Ben, Aunt Pauline, Aunt Eunice, my Cousins Cynthia and Teresa, Sister Agatha, Sister Dominica...(the list goes on, and it's a long list).
They were Saints walking this Earth, amazing Godly people.
I am not knocking Catholics.
My main issue is the Marian Doctrine(s) and the "Veneration" of the "Saints".
Mormonism is yet another Mind control cult created by the Vatican through their infiltration and control over freemasonry... after all... they wear the masonic square and compass on their nipples of their holy garments... Talk about weirndness and mocking of the membership's stupidity.
Dont teach the Word of God so people dont know what they believe! A Cult takes away from the Word of God or Adds to the Word of God so if you Dont know the Word of God you will be deceived!
Mormons are taught to give their TESTIMONY it goes something like this: I HAVE A BURNING IN MY BOSSOM. This is a PAT ANSWER something they are taught to say in a response that is a way they can defend their beliefs and is suspose to make everything valid no matter what. When I have a Burning in my Bossom I take ROLAIDS and it GOES AWAY! THE BIBLE is the answer; the Book of Mormon is FALSE. When you modify/change the Word of God to suit YOUR BELIEF STRUCTURE YOU ARE A CULT! There not Christians
Everything that is of man will fall...that is the truth. We believe that there is one faith and one baptism... We believe that Heavenly Father leads and guides His people through prophets and apostles. Rev 19:10 You can read of these things in the Holy Bible..I share this with love
The christian churches? Eph 5:23 There is only one church and Jesus Christ is the head... I know people who have been going to christian churches for years and are still saying that they believe in Christ... they never gained a testimony. 1 Cor12:3 Rev19:10. I am a convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and I gained a strong testimony of Jesus Christ even before the waters of baptism by the power of the Holy Ghost. The revelations of God are true and faithful
@knowledge999999999 It is encouraging to see Saints like you on here standing up for the faith, and sharing truth in love! You obviously know scripture; and sharing your testimony shows the world the truth about converts to the church... Unlike what Shawn McCraney would have you to believe about those who join. I am a convert also, and I thank God every day for the light of Christ's true gospel in my life! Stay strong in the faith, brother!
The power and gift of the Holy Ghost is no joke...The revelations of God are real and many converts are experiencing the true revelations of God. Matt24:14 The true gospel of Christ needs to be preached. We are preparing for the end of the world...Now you can laugh about that if you desire... or you can be more reverent and respectful. I share this with love
I remember when I was still an Evangelical/Pentacostal type Christian. Yeah, I heard some really vacuous "sermons." Often they were little better then a stand up routine. Hardly any Bible was mentioned. Just stories & antics, & jokes.
Why convert to Mormonism because we are true church as u just said we have the answers to there questions and there know that what there are being told is the truth.
and also u said are the other churchs are getting rich and don't care about it people the lds church we go out and help everone who is truly in need of help and that sows the church to be a Christ like witch also sows that it is a church of God
This man speaks the truth and he is disliked because of it. Jesus was the One who described end-time Christians in similar terms to "fat and dumb." Read Revelation 3:17 - Jesus described end-time Christians as people who think that they are rich and they know the Bible. Reality check: Americans cannot repay China. If Christians ever read Christ’s description of end-time Christians, they would say Amen! Because they disagree, we see that Jesus was correct - they are indeed Biblically illiterate.
People become Mormons mostly for financial help. When people are unemployed and they can't pay their bills, Mormons offer financial help and open up their excellent welfare system. Mormons have an excellent welfare system- they actually use tithe money to help others. In contrast, other religious leaders spend tithe money on expensive cars and mansions. Unfortunately, the price of financial help is to publicly state that Joseph Smith is a man of God. You make a deal with the Devil by lying.
did he say Fat and dumb?? wow...i know forsure Christ wouldn't say that.. hes talking like as if the Mormon church is the true church..lol like as if..mormons are anti-christ they are just to blind to see that.. I am a born again Christian and i love them to the point where i will tell them the truth. MORMONISM IS OF THE ENEMY.. you believe in your heart that you are doing the works of christ yet you degrade other churches and boost. Jeremiah 17:9. must read. check urself b4 u wreck urself.
Lol. Yea, i was sitting in sacrament meeting one day, following the flood of New Orleans and the Bishop says "we all knew that place needed a baptism." Of course everyone laughed. I guess he couldnt resist telling that joke.
@BaurakAle7 I dunno. I just read the history of Steel in Wikipedia.
The earliest known production of steel is a piece of ironware excavated from an archaeological site in Anatolia (Kaman-Kalehoyuk) and is about 4,000 years old.[18] Other ancient steel comes from East Africa, dating back to 1400 BC.[19] In the 4th century BC steel weapons like the Falcata were produced in the Iberian Peninsula, while Noric steel was used by the Roman military.
haha mate i love this! this is how we do it! we come in, offer not only some of the doctrine of Christ, but ALL of it..this is how the missionaries can answer questions. people feel the spirit listening to it, and we would all agree that the spirit testifies of truth, and then they get baptised! there is no more perfect way to entering into Jesus Christ's true church than this.
Im a convert, and life is 100x better when you are able to have all the blessings God has for you.
I am a convert to the lds church, and I can say this is not the reason why I converted. To me it always seemed that the Christian faith was incomplete, and when I found out about the boom of Mormon, I read the first chapter and the spirit confirmed that it was true. I am 14 years old and could quit being "Mormon" any time I wanted because my family is not "Mormon", but I chose no to.
@tunaman97 Mormons were inspired by early Christianity teachings. So you basically felt empty and incomplete and then you chose a religion that just switched shit over and now you're beliefs are fulfilled. Amazing. I'm 14 as well so you're no competition in this argument and I know because if you were a true Christian before, then you would know that Jesus warned you about fake prophets. Joseph Smith being one of them and he was a mason and hated blacks. he hated other souls. lmao nice job kid.
That's what I love about the mormon church it's not about entertainment it's about scriptures (including the bible) and the spirit and all about the gospel and it is the same no matter where you go in the world you always feel at home because every mormon church is the same. And I love that we don't spend entire meetings on bashing other religions like other religions spend time bashing us. I go to church to worship God not bash his children or their beliefs.
@airsharp001 Why can't Christians be stupid? Many only go to church to be told what they want to hear. They want to hear about how we have a Indonesian Muslim president and how he is turning us all into socialists and how we are surely in the last days. Then a Mormon missionary knocks and the door and Mr. Christian gets owned... happens EVERY day.
IMHO, that's a pretty lame argument. The gospel requires that people actually DO something. Theater Christians hate the LDS church because you can't just sit back.
no religious group should be made fun of, you are showing the cheap underhanded tactics that the forces of evil would use including laughing at others, how are we to take anything you say seriously,
Many Mormns live with guilt and fear. Few leave the church because of the cult like threats that would follow. I haven't met any Mormons that believe Jesus is the eternal God. They still believe Jesus is their spirit brother. Some deny Josephs laws and ordinances as a requirement for salvation to accept Gods grace as a free gift. Kindof a mixed bag of theology.
Read Prov 9 this morning. A portion about the foolish woman who sits by the highest places, calling to those who go "straight on their way". She calls to those who are "simple" & "lack understanding". This is what Shawn is talking about - those who are near the high places straight on the way but lack understanding & are lured into another, foolish, idolatrous way.
It finishes; "But he (the one lured) does not know that the dead are there,
I don't think this is the problem. I think the problem is that people aren't taught to think in this society, they're taught to go by what "feels right," what "feels best." I think it's societal, not specifically to do with Christianity's failures, though I hope all religions aren't afraid to tell believers to think for themselves and use their brains when presented with a new faith tradition.
I, for one, hear that. You know that I am not a Mormon, of course. You also know that you & I have different views.
But, you are right about the "theater-doing Christians" (who take their cotton-candy along: or are even provided with it, in the pews).
Many who are really seeking answers to the large questions of life realize, in the Mormon Church, that they can actually DO something there! They "don't" sit around, like baby birds, with their mouths open, all the time, waiting to be fed...
I am not a Mormon, but I really like to be "anxiously engaged in a good cause". involvement for the sake of involvement is just frenetic activity, though.
It is altogether an "individual thing", as Shaw, himself, has pointed out, previously.
(He says that there are indeed some Mormons who truly love Christ, and are serving Him, while doing what they do, in their assignments, in the Mormon Church.
@orlovna2. I have heard Shawn state that there are Mormons who truly love Christ and are serving Him. However, the question is which Jesus? Are these Mormons whom Shawn talks about, love the biblical Jesus, or the Jesus that is preached by the Mormon church which is a different Jesus? For example, would one say there are those within the Watchtower who truly love Christ and are doing their assignments as a JW, knowing that for a JW, Jesus is Michael the Archangel? I rather doubt that.
I still understand Shawn McCraney's perspective, though.
It appears that you do not.
P.S: You have to be very, very careful not to put yourself in the position of God, in "judging people's hearts". That is one thing that Shawn does NOT do: he does not pretend (nor, presume)(nor, pre-suppose) that he is in the position of Judge of the Quick & Dead.
You would "do better" if you went after Islam, instead. After all, THAT system is a religion of violence.
@orlovna2. I agree that one cannot judge people's hearts. With that said however, we are told in scripture to judge a person's doctrine. Not a self-righteous judgment, but a judgment based on scripture. The scriptures state that Jesus was not a created being, He is not one God amongst many Gods, He was not married to Mary and Martha, etc. This IS the Jesus of Mormonism, and I believe Shawn would agree with that. So how can it be stated that there are those Mormons who love Jesus, yet their...
@TheJpgr1958 BTW, it is not a Mormon teaching that Jesus was married to Mary and Martha. Whether or not he was married at all and to whom is was married to is completely left out of the Bible and all other Mormon scriptures as well. Whoever told you that one was just plain speculating.
@Supertramp678 "It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of of it." (Early Apostle Orson Pratt) So Pratt was "speculating." Ummmm yeah (cough cough)
@TheJpgr1958 Sure, He may have been speculating. Early Apostle who speculated on something that was never accepted unanimously by the Quorum of the twelve Apostles. It may be correct, it may not be. We don't know. Does the Bible say anywhere that he did not marry? No. It is possible that Mary may may have held a leadership position similar to Relief Society President? Speculation? Purely.
@Supertramp678 UMMM right. Pratt's statement leaves no room for speculation. He stated that "no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion." And what occasion? He answers that question in the line before it..."a marriage in Cana of Galilee." So if you want to take the "speculation" stance, be my guest. Oh by the way, a JW does the same thing when they are pointed to their failed prophecies concerning the end of the world. Same thing with the Roman Catholic and their popes.
@TheJpgr1958 By the way. Bruce R McConkie wrote in Mormon Doctrine version 1 that the Catholic Church was the Great and Abominable Church. He later acknowleged that he was wrong and later versions of the book where changed. It is not the order of things that if one apostle speaks than it is doctrine. It does not work that way. One apostle does not set policy for the church. Unanimous acceptance from the top 3 or top 12 are required.
@TheJpgr1958 By the way, I never said he was wrong. I said, we don't know.
JPGR, you seem very confident that tearing down one church is the right thing to do. Have you really taken to time to study the teachings of that religion from thier perspective and put the question to God? Or did you simply make the conclusion on your own that the whole JS, BOM, LDS thing is bogus. What if you are wrong? I don't condem other religions or you for trying to follow Jesus.
@Supertramp678 Before I respond to your accusation of me being "confident that tearing down one's church is the right thing to do," I would like for you, if you don't mind, to comment on this quote stated by a Mormon: "because the bible isnt totally reliable. you dont test joseph smith with the bible, you test the bible with joseph smith." Is this what you do?
Jesus is completely different to the biblical Jesus? This is a legitimate question that needs to be answered. So my question still stands. Perhaps you can tell me what Shawn's perspective is for I still don't see it. As for the rest of your response, I'm at a lose as to how to respond to it. When you stated the "Quick & Dead," that was a great B rated movie that came out in 1995 staring Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman. As for Islam, forgive me, but what does that have to do with this?
The ultimate difference is, can you earn your salvation, or is it "not of works lest any man should boast" Eph2:8-9....Mormons, like Muslims believe they can tip the scale in their favor to please God to earn a place in heaven but the Bible teaches that our "good deeds and efforts" is like a child rubbing around a grease stain to try and get it out...to no avail. They are useless in our salvation.
ssuperbill2 1 week ago
Some People.... Believe It Or Not....
PREFER to have a Highly-Structured life experience!
Told: What to do, What to Believe
Told: What to wear, what NOT to wear.
NEVERENDING 'HINTS' about such trivial matters as earrings, tattoos.
TOLD: Where & When to worship.
Cookie-Cutter, One-Size-Fits-All religion, all pre-packaged for YOU!
amarkanders777 2 weeks ago
Shouldn't we all just concentrate our efforts in Jesus Christ and what he taught us like serve others instead of criticizing others ?? I don't see a point of all this !!! I think the best people is one who serves and obeys God and does good no matter their religious affiliation. At the end, what is going to really count is how good we were, how we served and treated others. How honest and forgiving we were not all these criticism and mocking. I am mormon and that's what I'm taught in church.
everafter0123 1 month ago
@everafter0123 To quote you...."I think the best people is one who serves and obeys God...." ok now what does God say and what is the source so we can know how to obey Him? The Bible and teachings of the Pearl of Great Price and BoM do not go hand in hand....take any major teaching and they conflict...do you follow God or do you follow your emotions and your church? That is the difference between followers of Christ and Mormons
ssuperbill2 1 month ago
The Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon they both teach us how to obey God and how to serve and treat others just like the Bible. I'm not sure why you say they conflict with the Bible.
And like I said before... THE IMPORTANT thing is to PRACTICE what we are taught in church not to mock someone else or put down someone else. In the Mormon church we are taught to obey God, to love and to serve one another.
everafter0123 1 month ago
@everafter0123 Mormon doctrine teaches their god is an exalted man who had a beginning and that man can become god. Isa 44:6 God says (I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.) What is your ultimate source on God? The Bible or Joseph Smith's writings? The importance of this is idolatry vs worship of the one true God. has nothing to do with putting someone done, I defend against doctrines and beliefs that are anti Christ not people.
ssuperbill2 1 month ago
@ssuperbill2
Okay, again, the IMPORTANT thing is to obey God, to obey His commandments, to serve one another, to be humble, to be forgiving. We don't have idols in the our church (Mormon), the only ones we praise and worship are God and Jesus Christ. If we talk about Joseph Smith and the things he did for the church is like talking about Peter (the apostle) and all the things he did too. We don't worship either Joseph Smith or anyone else, only God and Jesus Christ !!!
everafter0123 1 month ago
@everafter0123 but what does God require of us? according to the mormon god: we MUST be married, must be baptized in a mormon temple, but the Bible teaches that baptism could be done anywhere and everywhere. Jesus was baptized in the dirty Jordan River, Philip baptized a man in a passing body of water (some random pond). As for marriage half of the disciples weren't married, Jesus never married, and the apostle Paul was never married (so not in heaven according to LDS teachings)
ssuperbill2 1 month ago
@ssuperbill2
You have your facts wrong..
Yeah, we are encouraged to get married but if you don't you are not condemned or anything. Baptism can also occur anywhere !!! "Temple baptisms," which is different than regular baptisms, are for the death only so they may choose whether to accept the church or not in the spirit world.
everafter0123 1 month ago
@everafter0123 McConkie wrote, (Celestial marriage is the gate to exaltation, and exaltation consists in the continuation of the family unit in eternity. Celestial marriage is an absolute necessity to reach this desired goal). SO if you want to live with God in heaven according to your prophet you have no choice but to be married. If you are single you will be a slave in heaven for all eternity like Paul, Jesus, John.....
ssuperbill2 1 month ago
@everafter0123 The Bible teaches 1 baptism done anywhere, mormons teach at least 1 baptism is required in their temple to live with God. Contradiction mate...
ssuperbill2 1 month ago
@ssuperbill2 Hi, first i have 2 say about this video when he talks about "good feelings" instincts r a God given gift, to help us with things that r dangerous or just don't understand. Those good feelings r the holy spirit,the spirit will go where there is truth& ther is some truth in lots of religion,&thats why u will feel it in many churches. i've heard a couple people say that when they prayed about theB.O.M.they felt nothing, but then even days later when they needed it the most the got it.
Angelspeaks2u 1 week ago
@ssuperbill2 the mormon teaches the same, u need only one baptism anywhere, but the church does provide a place. you DON'T have to be married to live with God. and some people may think that our scriptures contradict the bible but we believe in the bible, maybe we just interpret some of it differently. and keep in mind that over the thousands of years that the bible was being made and transfered and translated lots of stuff could have been easily lost.
Angelspeaks2u 1 week ago
@Angelspeaks2u The problem is the Bible teaches things like Eph 2:8-9, Romans 10:9-13, Galatians 3:11 That we are saved by faith alone...not works. Yet LDS teach we can only be saved by Jesus after all we can do and once we are worthy we can receive Him. The problem is when are we perfect and keep the whole law? When have we done all we can do? Never, we can never deserve Jesus salvation....Read moroni 10:32, 2nephi 25:23
ssuperbill2 1 week ago
@ssuperbill2 That is not what we believe. just like it says in John 3:16-17 we are saved through Jesus. But it's our works that we're judged on. Gal5;13 serve one another. Eccl12:14God shall judge every work. Titus3:8becareful to maintain good works. Tim1:5commandment of charity. 1cor13:2 and have not charity i am nothing.Mat25:34-46inherit the kingdom. Luke10:30-37 good samaritan. Mat5:16That they may see your good works and glorify your father which is in heaven. Take the time 2 read them all.
Angelspeaks2u 1 week ago
@Angelspeaks2u There is a distinct difference though...the book of mormon says Jesus can't save you until your perfect and the Bible teaches that you can't be perfect without Jesus. Good works are an outflowing of our faith not a requirement for our salvation. Titus 3:5-7 leading up to verse 8 which you quoted says "5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy......"
ssuperbill2 1 week ago
@ssuperbill2 I am happy to converse with you but can we agree that our discusion is to be friendly? do you or what do you know about lds beliefs about the plan of salvatin? i think i know why this confuses you.
Angelspeaks2u 1 week ago
@Angelspeaks2u Of course...the reason I converse is to be enlightened and enlighten others...What I know about the LDS is what their prophets have said and what their scriptures teach...I don't judge an individual believer or a group of believers I judge the doctrines of a religion and their ultimate teachings. A mormon once challenged me to read the BoM and I did and I'm interested in challenging mormons to study the BoM when they say the Bible teaches the same thing..they don't
ssuperbill2 1 week ago
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ssuperbill2 1 month ago
I have never even heard of an Evangelical "Born Again" Christian in a Bible Believing Church converting to Mormonism.
I doubt that it happens at all.
Nominal "Christians" (Sunday Morning Christians or Unchurched Christians...Unsaved and Unregenerated) may be lured in.
Not surprising since I see them every day doing things that a true believer in the Gospel could never do.
I strongly believe that the Holy Spirit would restrain anyone who really knew Scripture from joining the LDS.
Or I hope so.
hammerogod 1 month ago
Most of the converts to LDS in the Philippines were lapsed Catholics.
Which is not odd since most "Christlam" converts are lapsed Catholics.
Nominal (barely there) Catholics are push-overs for weird doctrines.
I know, I grew up in a Catholic family, they will believe almost anything.
About 1/2 of the total body of Catholic Doctrine/Dogma is word-of-mouth fables and Vatican supported myths that have been passed down for so many generations that they are "Facts" now.
21 years a Catholic, I know.
hammerogod 1 month ago
@hammerogod Of course they would be lapsed Catholics, that is the major religion in the Phillipines. I am a Catholic and I won't just believe anything, I will only believe what is in the Catechism which explains scripturally the basis of our beliefs. Tradition has become fact in Protestantism and don't ever believe that it hasn't, A interprets the scripture in one way and pass it on as truth to others and B does the same and C does the same etc. - result 30,000 denominations.
Estaban333 1 month ago
@Estaban333
The most Loving, Devout, Kind, Sincere, Caring, Self-Sacrificing, God Loving and Holy Living people I have ever known were Catholic.
My Grandfather Lucian, Grandmother Lilly, Uncle Ben, Aunt Pauline, Aunt Eunice, my Cousins Cynthia and Teresa, Sister Agatha, Sister Dominica...(the list goes on, and it's a long list).
They were Saints walking this Earth, amazing Godly people.
I am not knocking Catholics.
My main issue is the Marian Doctrine(s) and the "Veneration" of the "Saints".
hammerogod 1 month ago
Mormonism is yet another Mind control cult created by the Vatican through their infiltration and control over freemasonry... after all... they wear the masonic square and compass on their nipples of their holy garments... Talk about weirndness and mocking of the membership's stupidity.
contactkim 2 months ago
Everything he says about Mormons can be applied to Christians. It's hilarious.
MyloDude22 2 months ago
Dont teach the Word of God so people dont know what they believe! A Cult takes away from the Word of God or Adds to the Word of God so if you Dont know the Word of God you will be deceived!
FormerMPSGT 2 months ago
Mormons are taught to give their TESTIMONY it goes something like this: I HAVE A BURNING IN MY BOSSOM. This is a PAT ANSWER something they are taught to say in a response that is a way they can defend their beliefs and is suspose to make everything valid no matter what. When I have a Burning in my Bossom I take ROLAIDS and it GOES AWAY! THE BIBLE is the answer; the Book of Mormon is FALSE. When you modify/change the Word of God to suit YOUR BELIEF STRUCTURE YOU ARE A CULT! There not Christians
FormerMPSGT 2 months ago
Everything that is of man will fall...that is the truth. We believe that there is one faith and one baptism... We believe that Heavenly Father leads and guides His people through prophets and apostles. Rev 19:10 You can read of these things in the Holy Bible..I share this with love
knowledge999999999 2 months ago
The christian churches? Eph 5:23 There is only one church and Jesus Christ is the head... I know people who have been going to christian churches for years and are still saying that they believe in Christ... they never gained a testimony. 1 Cor12:3 Rev19:10. I am a convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and I gained a strong testimony of Jesus Christ even before the waters of baptism by the power of the Holy Ghost. The revelations of God are true and faithful
knowledge999999999 2 months ago
@knowledge999999999 It is encouraging to see Saints like you on here standing up for the faith, and sharing truth in love! You obviously know scripture; and sharing your testimony shows the world the truth about converts to the church... Unlike what Shawn McCraney would have you to believe about those who join. I am a convert also, and I thank God every day for the light of Christ's true gospel in my life! Stay strong in the faith, brother!
TheOriginalAnalogKid 2 months ago
The power and gift of the Holy Ghost is no joke...The revelations of God are real and many converts are experiencing the true revelations of God. Matt24:14 The true gospel of Christ needs to be preached. We are preparing for the end of the world...Now you can laugh about that if you desire... or you can be more reverent and respectful. I share this with love
knowledge999999999 2 months ago
I remember when I was still an Evangelical/Pentacostal type Christian. Yeah, I heard some really vacuous "sermons." Often they were little better then a stand up routine. Hardly any Bible was mentioned. Just stories & antics, & jokes.
VictorLepanto 2 months ago
more then one bitch?
compendiumgravemind 2 months ago
Why convert to Mormonism because we are true church as u just said we have the answers to there questions and there know that what there are being told is the truth.
and also u said are the other churchs are getting rich and don't care about it people the lds church we go out and help everone who is truly in need of help and that sows the church to be a Christ like witch also sows that it is a church of God
BryceisBibleMan 3 months ago
This man speaks the truth and he is disliked because of it. Jesus was the One who described end-time Christians in similar terms to "fat and dumb." Read Revelation 3:17 - Jesus described end-time Christians as people who think that they are rich and they know the Bible. Reality check: Americans cannot repay China. If Christians ever read Christ’s description of end-time Christians, they would say Amen! Because they disagree, we see that Jesus was correct - they are indeed Biblically illiterate.
EarthRover 3 months ago
People become Mormons mostly for financial help. When people are unemployed and they can't pay their bills, Mormons offer financial help and open up their excellent welfare system. Mormons have an excellent welfare system- they actually use tithe money to help others. In contrast, other religious leaders spend tithe money on expensive cars and mansions. Unfortunately, the price of financial help is to publicly state that Joseph Smith is a man of God. You make a deal with the Devil by lying.
EarthRover 3 months ago
did he say Fat and dumb?? wow...i know forsure Christ wouldn't say that.. hes talking like as if the Mormon church is the true church..lol like as if..mormons are anti-christ they are just to blind to see that.. I am a born again Christian and i love them to the point where i will tell them the truth. MORMONISM IS OF THE ENEMY.. you believe in your heart that you are doing the works of christ yet you degrade other churches and boost. Jeremiah 17:9. must read. check urself b4 u wreck urself.
MrNayetrus 3 months ago
So Christians are not christians cuz they believe in anything but because they like an entertaining church?
KINGxB 4 months ago
Lol. Yea, i was sitting in sacrament meeting one day, following the flood of New Orleans and the Bishop says "we all knew that place needed a baptism." Of course everyone laughed. I guess he couldnt resist telling that joke.
TheSoulamore 5 months ago
@BaurakAle7 I dunno. I just read the history of Steel in Wikipedia.
The earliest known production of steel is a piece of ironware excavated from an archaeological site in Anatolia (Kaman-Kalehoyuk) and is about 4,000 years old.[18] Other ancient steel comes from East Africa, dating back to 1400 BC.[19] In the 4th century BC steel weapons like the Falcata were produced in the Iberian Peninsula, while Noric steel was used by the Roman military.
So, what makes you so sure?
Supertramp678 6 months ago
why?...well shit, i'll worship anything that allows me to wear a suit while riding a bicycle and have multiple wives. ;)
poopsmith21 6 months ago
haha mate i love this! this is how we do it! we come in, offer not only some of the doctrine of Christ, but ALL of it..this is how the missionaries can answer questions. people feel the spirit listening to it, and we would all agree that the spirit testifies of truth, and then they get baptised! there is no more perfect way to entering into Jesus Christ's true church than this.
Im a convert, and life is 100x better when you are able to have all the blessings God has for you.
I love my Saviour
wotfingaz 6 months ago 2
I am a convert to the lds church, and I can say this is not the reason why I converted. To me it always seemed that the Christian faith was incomplete, and when I found out about the boom of Mormon, I read the first chapter and the spirit confirmed that it was true. I am 14 years old and could quit being "Mormon" any time I wanted because my family is not "Mormon", but I chose no to.
tunaman97 6 months ago
@tunaman97 Mormons were inspired by early Christianity teachings. So you basically felt empty and incomplete and then you chose a religion that just switched shit over and now you're beliefs are fulfilled. Amazing. I'm 14 as well so you're no competition in this argument and I know because if you were a true Christian before, then you would know that Jesus warned you about fake prophets. Joseph Smith being one of them and he was a mason and hated blacks. he hated other souls. lmao nice job kid.
ThaMuzikFiend 6 months ago
That's what I love about the mormon church it's not about entertainment it's about scriptures (including the bible) and the spirit and all about the gospel and it is the same no matter where you go in the world you always feel at home because every mormon church is the same. And I love that we don't spend entire meetings on bashing other religions like other religions spend time bashing us. I go to church to worship God not bash his children or their beliefs.
peaceliberty4all 7 months ago
OMG this guy just said that christians are stupid at for 2 whole minutes....
airsharp001 9 months ago
@airsharp001 Why can't Christians be stupid? Many only go to church to be told what they want to hear. They want to hear about how we have a Indonesian Muslim president and how he is turning us all into socialists and how we are surely in the last days. Then a Mormon missionary knocks and the door and Mr. Christian gets owned... happens EVERY day.
koishooter 8 months ago
So they make weird sounds like that in the temple? That's probably a bunch of crap. wow.
Bruderer22 9 months ago
Everyone read the book of Mormon. Then see which church is true.
dandes98 10 months ago
Yes but we Mormon have standards unlike the Christian church.
You hardly see fat people in the LSD church.
dandes98 10 months ago
I like cotton candy and I'm a Mormon.
Freedom0rBust 11 months ago
IMHO, that's a pretty lame argument. The gospel requires that people actually DO something. Theater Christians hate the LDS church because you can't just sit back.
stevejames1012 1 year ago
This man's argument is based on....what, exactly?
gemdragon311 1 year ago
no religious group should be made fun of, you are showing the cheap underhanded tactics that the forces of evil would use including laughing at others, how are we to take anything you say seriously,
ursula6418 1 year ago
Read the book, Pray about it and decide for your self...
SuperCaleb89 1 year ago
@SuperCaleb89 read up on mormon history, use critical thinking, and decide for yourself...
tamasandy 11 months ago
What Shawn said, it's all true!
3Deditor 1 year ago
Many Mormns live with guilt and fear. Few leave the church because of the cult like threats that would follow. I haven't met any Mormons that believe Jesus is the eternal God. They still believe Jesus is their spirit brother. Some deny Josephs laws and ordinances as a requirement for salvation to accept Gods grace as a free gift. Kindof a mixed bag of theology.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
Read Prov 9 this morning. A portion about the foolish woman who sits by the highest places, calling to those who go "straight on their way". She calls to those who are "simple" & "lack understanding". This is what Shawn is talking about - those who are near the high places straight on the way but lack understanding & are lured into another, foolish, idolatrous way.
It finishes; "But he (the one lured) does not know that the dead are there,
That her guests are in the depths of hell."
mtcanz 1 year ago
This is so true.
praestant8 1 year ago
Oh how true!!!!!
southerngent253 1 year ago
I don't think this is the problem. I think the problem is that people aren't taught to think in this society, they're taught to go by what "feels right," what "feels best." I think it's societal, not specifically to do with Christianity's failures, though I hope all religions aren't afraid to tell believers to think for themselves and use their brains when presented with a new faith tradition.
carlasue88 1 year ago
I, for one, hear that. You know that I am not a Mormon, of course. You also know that you & I have different views.
But, you are right about the "theater-doing Christians" (who take their cotton-candy along: or are even provided with it, in the pews).
Many who are really seeking answers to the large questions of life realize, in the Mormon Church, that they can actually DO something there! They "don't" sit around, like baby birds, with their mouths open, all the time, waiting to be fed...
orlovna2 1 year ago
Because of apostasy, itching ears, seducing spirits... a long list fully covered in the Scripture, if anyone cared to read it.
Why are people so fooled to beleive the more people involved make a thing more right? That answer is also in Scripture.
taaronemore74 1 year ago 2
@taaronemore74
I am not a Mormon, but I really like to be "anxiously engaged in a good cause". involvement for the sake of involvement is just frenetic activity, though.
It is altogether an "individual thing", as Shaw, himself, has pointed out, previously.
(He says that there are indeed some Mormons who truly love Christ, and are serving Him, while doing what they do, in their assignments, in the Mormon Church.
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2
CORRECTION: I meant to write "Shawn", not the word "Shaw".
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2. I have heard Shawn state that there are Mormons who truly love Christ and are serving Him. However, the question is which Jesus? Are these Mormons whom Shawn talks about, love the biblical Jesus, or the Jesus that is preached by the Mormon church which is a different Jesus? For example, would one say there are those within the Watchtower who truly love Christ and are doing their assignments as a JW, knowing that for a JW, Jesus is Michael the Archangel? I rather doubt that.
TheJpgr1958 1 year ago
@TheJpgr1958
I still understand Shawn McCraney's perspective, though.
It appears that you do not.
P.S: You have to be very, very careful not to put yourself in the position of God, in "judging people's hearts". That is one thing that Shawn does NOT do: he does not pretend (nor, presume)(nor, pre-suppose) that he is in the position of Judge of the Quick & Dead.
You would "do better" if you went after Islam, instead. After all, THAT system is a religion of violence.
orlovna2 1 year ago
@orlovna2. I agree that one cannot judge people's hearts. With that said however, we are told in scripture to judge a person's doctrine. Not a self-righteous judgment, but a judgment based on scripture. The scriptures state that Jesus was not a created being, He is not one God amongst many Gods, He was not married to Mary and Martha, etc. This IS the Jesus of Mormonism, and I believe Shawn would agree with that. So how can it be stated that there are those Mormons who love Jesus, yet their...
TheJpgr1958 1 year ago
@TheJpgr1958 BTW, it is not a Mormon teaching that Jesus was married to Mary and Martha. Whether or not he was married at all and to whom is was married to is completely left out of the Bible and all other Mormon scriptures as well. Whoever told you that one was just plain speculating.
Supertramp678 6 months ago
@Supertramp678 "It will be borne in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha, and the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of of it." (Early Apostle Orson Pratt) So Pratt was "speculating." Ummmm yeah (cough cough)
TheJpgr1958 6 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 Sure, He may have been speculating. Early Apostle who speculated on something that was never accepted unanimously by the Quorum of the twelve Apostles. It may be correct, it may not be. We don't know. Does the Bible say anywhere that he did not marry? No. It is possible that Mary may may have held a leadership position similar to Relief Society President? Speculation? Purely.
Supertramp678 6 months ago
@Supertramp678 UMMM right. Pratt's statement leaves no room for speculation. He stated that "no less a person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion." And what occasion? He answers that question in the line before it..."a marriage in Cana of Galilee." So if you want to take the "speculation" stance, be my guest. Oh by the way, a JW does the same thing when they are pointed to their failed prophecies concerning the end of the world. Same thing with the Roman Catholic and their popes.
TheJpgr1958 6 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 By the way. Bruce R McConkie wrote in Mormon Doctrine version 1 that the Catholic Church was the Great and Abominable Church. He later acknowleged that he was wrong and later versions of the book where changed. It is not the order of things that if one apostle speaks than it is doctrine. It does not work that way. One apostle does not set policy for the church. Unanimous acceptance from the top 3 or top 12 are required.
Supertramp678 6 months ago
Isn't it funny that all you people who claim to be THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH ON EARTH, do this in order to protect and justify their so-called leaders?
TheJpgr1958 6 months ago
@TheJpgr1958 By the way, I never said he was wrong. I said, we don't know.
JPGR, you seem very confident that tearing down one church is the right thing to do. Have you really taken to time to study the teachings of that religion from thier perspective and put the question to God? Or did you simply make the conclusion on your own that the whole JS, BOM, LDS thing is bogus. What if you are wrong? I don't condem other religions or you for trying to follow Jesus.
Supertramp678 6 months ago
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@Supertramp678 Before I respond to your accusation of me being "confident that tearing down one's church is the right thing to do," I would like for you, if you don't mind, to comment on this quote stated by a Mormon: "because the bible isnt totally reliable. you dont test joseph smith with the bible, you test the bible with joseph smith." Is this what you do?
TheJpgr1958 6 months ago
Jesus is completely different to the biblical Jesus? This is a legitimate question that needs to be answered. So my question still stands. Perhaps you can tell me what Shawn's perspective is for I still don't see it. As for the rest of your response, I'm at a lose as to how to respond to it. When you stated the "Quick & Dead," that was a great B rated movie that came out in 1995 staring Sharon Stone and Gene Hackman. As for Islam, forgive me, but what does that have to do with this?
TheJpgr1958 1 year ago