kkchughtai . Mirza Qadiani ki tara tum bhi maidan chor kar bhag gaey ho, Mirza ke muqabal par jab bhi koi shakhs aya to Mirza apni bivi Nusrat Jahan ki charpai ke nichey chup jaya karta tha, kia tum bhi ???
kkchughtai : We do more to defend HMGA than any Qadiani. Whenever anything is printed in the Jang where I live only Lahori Ahmadis write to have it corrected and fight to get it pubished. I haven't seen many Qadiani letter in the Jang.
اس طرح کی نبوت کا ، کہ گویا انحضرتﷺ کی نبوت کو منسوخ کردے ، دعوی کرنے والے ہم ملعون اور واجب القتل اور لعنتی جانتے ہیں۔ ہم پر جو اللہ کے فضل ہیں یہ سب رسول اکرم ﷺ کے فیض سے ہی ہیں ۔ آنحضرت ﷺ سے الگ ہو کر ہم سچ کہتے ہیں کہ کچھ بھی نہیں اور خاک بھی نہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔
Ok, Now let me know what is your point regarding this reference
Mirza Qadiani likhta hai ke shariat kia cheez hain jis ne apni wahi ke zariye chand amar aur nahi bayan kar diey vo sahib-e-shariat ho gia aur is tareef ki ro se mairi wahi main amar bhi hain aur nahi bhi.(Arbain 4, RK Jild17 page 435)
apney paishey ke mutabiq aap is tehreer ki taweel paish karain plz ??
Mirza Qadiani kehta hai ke jis tarah Firaun ke pas rasool bhaija gia tha us tarah ka main bhi rasool hon , yani Hazrat Musa jo sahib-e-shariat nabi they. (Malfozat Jild 8 page 424)
aap apney paishey ke mutabiq is ki kia taweel karain gey ??
agar koi shakhs zili brozi ya sahib-e-shariat nabi honey ka dawa karta hai to Mirza Qadiani ko kis ne authority di ke vo us ko WAJBUL QATAL qrar dey aur LANATI kahey ???
ok, I found following in Malfoozat vol 5. p. 610 ۔ May 04, 1908
باقی رہی یہ بات کہ ہم نے نبوت کا دعوی کیا ہے۔ یہ نزاعِ لفظی ہے۔مکالمہ مخاطبہ کے تو یہ لوگ خود بھی قايؑل ہیں۔ اسی مکالمہ مخاطبہ کا نام اللہ نے دوسرے الفاظ میں نبوت رکھا ہے ورنہ اس تشریعی نبوت کا تو ہم نے بار ہا بیان کیا ہے کہ ہم نے ہرگز ہرگز دعوی نہیں کیا ۔ قران سے برگشتہ اور رسول کریمﷺ سے برگشتہ ہو کر نبوت کا دعوی کرنے والے کو ہم واجب القتل اور لعنتی کہتے ہیں ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔
@Pheriwala: Whosoever try to project/spread some news/info without being certain of the veracity of those, is certain a liar. I am sure you also believe in the above statement. Now onto your points:
1) malfozaat has only 5 vols so jild 10 doesn't exist.
3) you need to read the arbain ref. yourself rather than relying on hearsay to see what is being discussed.
4) Epilepsy- A blatant lie. again, read before your disseminate
Main "PheriWala" jis ke likhey ko koi shakhs bhi challenge nahin kar sakta kion ke main kabhi jhoot nahin likhta.
aap ne likha ke Malfozat ki 10 nahin bulkey sirf 5 Jidain hain, aap logon ko dhoka dainey ke liey 10 ki 5 ya aik jild bana dain mujhey is se kuch gharaz nahin, aap mujhey sirf itna bata dain ke mainey jo reference dia vo ghalt hai ya sahi ??
Read what Mian Bashir ud Din Mahmud Ahmad sahib in "The Truth About the Split". Also see another video here where the actual extract of a Qadiani web-site is given.
If the speaker want's the view of the Jamaat, with a little bit of research he could have found it. A loving response from Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, Khalifatul Masih IV:
hazrat mirza bashirudin (ra) said too that everyone who recite the kalma is a muslim. And lahori removed and closed this discussion on their forum because they were afraid
..whose acceptance has been ordained by Allah and His messenger (pbuh) and in holy books of other prophets. Since he is the rejector of the word of Allah and His messenger(pbuh), so he is a kafir. If we look closely these two forms of Kufar lie under the same category.....
rest you can read from the book
In short we only consider non-muslim those who call themselves not muslim but consider them Kafir of the second degree as per the promised messiah since they reject a mamoor min allah
Ahmadis don't consider non-Ahmadis as non-muslims but we regard them as kafirs of the promised messiah the 'mamoor min Allah'
Pls refer to 'Haqiqat-ul-wahi' p179 or p185
HMGAQ says "The word 'Kafir' is in contrast to the word 'momin' and 'Kufar' has two types: First is that a person rejects Islam and doesn't regard the Holy prophet(pbuh) as the messenger of Allah. Second is the Kufar that he doesn't accepts the promised messiah and consider him a liar in spite of the 'Ittemam-e-Hujjat' ...
kkchughtai . Mirza Qadiani ki tara tum bhi maidan chor kar bhag gaey ho, Mirza ke muqabal par jab bhi koi shakhs aya to Mirza apni bivi Nusrat Jahan ki charpai ke nichey chup jaya karta tha, kia tum bhi ???
PheriWala 1 year ago
kkchughtai : We do more to defend HMGA than any Qadiani. Whenever anything is printed in the Jang where I live only Lahori Ahmadis write to have it corrected and fight to get it pubished. I haven't seen many Qadiani letter in the Jang.
Shahidazizzz 1 year ago
اس طرح کی نبوت کا ، کہ گویا انحضرتﷺ کی نبوت کو منسوخ کردے ، دعوی کرنے والے ہم ملعون اور واجب القتل اور لعنتی جانتے ہیں۔ ہم پر جو اللہ کے فضل ہیں یہ سب رسول اکرم ﷺ کے فیض سے ہی ہیں ۔ آنحضرت ﷺ سے الگ ہو کر ہم سچ کہتے ہیں کہ کچھ بھی نہیں اور خاک بھی نہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔
Ok, Now let me know what is your point regarding this reference
kkchughtai 1 year ago
@kkchughtai
Mirza Qadiani likhta hai ke shariat kia cheez hain jis ne apni wahi ke zariye chand amar aur nahi bayan kar diey vo sahib-e-shariat ho gia aur is tareef ki ro se mairi wahi main amar bhi hain aur nahi bhi.(Arbain 4, RK Jild17 page 435)
apney paishey ke mutabiq aap is tehreer ki taweel paish karain plz ??
PheriWala 1 year ago
@kkchughtai
Mirza Qadiani kehta hai ke jis tarah Firaun ke pas rasool bhaija gia tha us tarah ka main bhi rasool hon , yani Hazrat Musa jo sahib-e-shariat nabi they. (Malfozat Jild 8 page 424)
aap apney paishey ke mutabiq is ki kia taweel karain gey ??
PheriWala 1 year ago
@kkchughtai
agar koi shakhs zili brozi ya sahib-e-shariat nabi honey ka dawa karta hai to Mirza Qadiani ko kis ne authority di ke vo us ko WAJBUL QATAL qrar dey aur LANATI kahey ???
PheriWala 1 year ago
ok, I found following in Malfoozat vol 5. p. 610 ۔ May 04, 1908
باقی رہی یہ بات کہ ہم نے نبوت کا دعوی کیا ہے۔ یہ نزاعِ لفظی ہے۔مکالمہ مخاطبہ کے تو یہ لوگ خود بھی قايؑل ہیں۔ اسی مکالمہ مخاطبہ کا نام اللہ نے دوسرے الفاظ میں نبوت رکھا ہے ورنہ اس تشریعی نبوت کا تو ہم نے بار ہا بیان کیا ہے کہ ہم نے ہرگز ہرگز دعوی نہیں کیا ۔ قران سے برگشتہ اور رسول کریمﷺ سے برگشتہ ہو کر نبوت کا دعوی کرنے والے کو ہم واجب القتل اور لعنتی کہتے ہیں ۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔
kkchughtai 1 year ago
@Pheriwala: bhai, herapheri na kar. or itna bara dawa na kar jis ko tu sanbhal na sakay.
I tried to find the Malfozat reference you referred to but couldn't find it. Let me know where can I access it.
For the time being, how about the discrepancies in your allegations that I have highlighted.
@Shahidaziz: is your religion limited to Ahmadiyya jammat bashing? Why don't you say anything when allegations are raised against massih-e-maood(as)
kkchughtai 1 year ago
@kkchughtai
Mirza Qadiani ne kaha ke "Nabuwat ka dawa karney waley ko to ham WAJBUL QATAL aur LANATI kehtey hain"
(reference: Malfozat Jild 10, page 342 (line 8) 4,Mai 1908 Lahore & Al-Hakm Jild 12 Nr.34 page 1-4, 18,Mai 1908)
ab aap is tehreer ki taweel (different interpretation) paish karain plz.
PheriWala 1 year ago
@Pheriwala: Whosoever try to project/spread some news/info without being certain of the veracity of those, is certain a liar. I am sure you also believe in the above statement. Now onto your points:
1) malfozaat has only 5 vols so jild 10 doesn't exist.
3) you need to read the arbain ref. yourself rather than relying on hearsay to see what is being discussed.
4) Epilepsy- A blatant lie. again, read before your disseminate
5) no mention of epilepsy or mirgi in this ref.
kkchughtai 1 year ago
@kkchughtai
Main "PheriWala" jis ke likhey ko koi shakhs bhi challenge nahin kar sakta kion ke main kabhi jhoot nahin likhta.
aap ne likha ke Malfozat ki 10 nahin bulkey sirf 5 Jidain hain, aap logon ko dhoka dainey ke liey 10 ki 5 ya aik jild bana dain mujhey is se kuch gharaz nahin, aap mujhey sirf itna bata dain ke mainey jo reference dia vo ghalt hai ya sahi ??
PheriWala 1 year ago
Look at this video here on Youtube
Non-Ahmadis Muslims or heretics.
Shahidazizzz 1 year ago
@Shahidazizzz
PheriWala 1 year ago
Read what Mian Bashir ud Din Mahmud Ahmad sahib in "The Truth About the Split". Also see another video here where the actual extract of a Qadiani web-site is given.
Shahidazizzz 1 year ago
@Shahidazizzz I have listened to your video, thats why I replied with giving a link as a response. Id advise you to listen to the response. Thanks
Peaceworld111 1 year ago
If the speaker want's the view of the Jamaat, with a little bit of research he could have found it. A loving response from Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, Khalifatul Masih IV:
www2.alislam.org/askislam/mp3 /MEI_19840816_05.mp3
You can't expect someone to have perfect knowledge, infact no normal human can have perfect knowledge.
Peaceworld111 1 year ago
show me the emails?
umlfl381 1 year ago
hazrat mirza bashirudin (ra) said too that everyone who recite the kalma is a muslim. And lahori removed and closed this discussion on their forum because they were afraid
islamiminaar 1 year ago
..whose acceptance has been ordained by Allah and His messenger (pbuh) and in holy books of other prophets. Since he is the rejector of the word of Allah and His messenger(pbuh), so he is a kafir. If we look closely these two forms of Kufar lie under the same category.....
rest you can read from the book
In short we only consider non-muslim those who call themselves not muslim but consider them Kafir of the second degree as per the promised messiah since they reject a mamoor min allah
kkchughtai 1 year ago
Ahmadis don't consider non-Ahmadis as non-muslims but we regard them as kafirs of the promised messiah the 'mamoor min Allah'
Pls refer to 'Haqiqat-ul-wahi' p179 or p185
HMGAQ says "The word 'Kafir' is in contrast to the word 'momin' and 'Kufar' has two types: First is that a person rejects Islam and doesn't regard the Holy prophet(pbuh) as the messenger of Allah. Second is the Kufar that he doesn't accepts the promised messiah and consider him a liar in spite of the 'Ittemam-e-Hujjat' ...
kkchughtai 1 year ago
@kkchughtai
Mirza Qadiani ne Mai,1908 main kaha " Nabuwat ka dawa karney waley ko to ham WAJBUL QATAL aur LANATI kehtey hain" (Malfozat Jild 10, page 342)
5 March 1908 ko Mirza kehta hai ke " Hamara dawa hai ke ham rasool aur nabi hain" (Badar 5,March 1908)
Mirza likhta hai ke main Sahib-e-Shariat nabi hon.(Arbain Nr.4, RK Jild 17 page 435)
Mirza likhta hai ke mujhey Mirgi (Epilepsy) ki bemari thi (Haqiqatul Wahi p.376)
Mirza ko Mirgi ka pehla dora 1888 main para.(Siratul Mehdi Vol.1,p.16)
PheriWala 1 year ago