"Before the Big Bang?" (2005), the original lecture by Roger Penrose (part 2 of 9)

[canadianwolf1000]

Wow, these guys can give a simple answer to the question, "life before the big bang"? A simple "hell I have no cluse" would suffice.

[lovelplants]

i like the lecture, even though i didn't see the lecturer and where he pointing out his lecture. but i love the demonstration about the entropy.

[sandustanBrasov]

SandustanBrasov

And yet, we can see, we can visualize the ethereal matter. The scheme to one device for to visualize the ethereal matter: EXIST! And this device it can realize!

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[sandustanBrasov]

• SandustanBrasov

The matter of the our terrestrial globe has four states of aggregation: solid, liquid, gseous and ethereal and not three after official science. The matter on which we see it, proceed from the ethereal matter, which from cancentration in concentration it had constituted in the electrons, in protons respectivel;y in the atoms of the chemical elements which had overtaken at the gaseous, liquid and solid state. All the matter on which we see it, is condensed ether.

[sandustanBrasov]

• SandustanBrasov

The ELECTRON is not an exclusive electrical load, but an elementary particle from the composition of any atom, and is only a particle with intermediate role in the unfolding of the electrical phenomenons. The REAL ELECTRCAL LOAD is a particle of electrical ether more nore small than the electron, has and she a personal and rapid rotation, producing a personal magnetic field, which it gear with the magnetic field from the round of one electrical conductor.

[sandustanBrasov]

• SandustanBrasov

The PHYSICAL-CHEMICAL MATTER is the visible matter with free eye and is constituted from atoms of the chemical elements. The PHYSICAL-ETHEREAL MATTER is a matter with atoms more small with 7..8 order of dimension than the atoms of chemical elements, and the bodies formed from this matter are invisible for the human eye. The ETHEREAL PHYSICS it occupy with the study of the ethereal matters, but which was abandoned in the XX century, because in 1905 A.Einstein excludes the ether

[sandustanBrasov]

• SandustanBrasov But the ETHER is a physical reality constituted from a very small matter, invisible for human eye, and is formed from atoms more small with 7...8 order of dimension than the atoms of the chemical elements. The matter of the ether penetrate in all the visible bodies and is the physical matter which fills both the interplanetary space and the interatomic space. The ether is a matter with mass and weigth, being subdued and she the action of the universal attraction law.

[sandustanBrasov]

• SandustanBrasov

The science has and history. In the Fundamental Principle of Democrit(470..380BC) it show:"From nothing nothing's born, nothing that exist can not be destroyed and any transformation consist from a reunion and separation...Out of atoms and ether. all rest is not otherwise than rationament and not exist...The spirit as well as the ether consist of a small and spherical atoms, very mobile, atoms that their movement form the phenomenon of life".

[sandustanBrasov]

• SandustanBrasov

Through the relativity theory to Einstein of over century, it hold with strenght -as a conspiracy a general activity of intellectual stultify of the planetary population. from relativity theory proceed the notion of: singularity, Big bang, black holes and holes of worm. From 1905 and till now in 2011, the disciples of the Einstein, preach with contumely as scientific elements of high class these theoretical confusions, these absurdities from which they had made a business.

[sandustanBrasov]

• SandustanBrasov

It popularize the fantastical theories and stantardized theories with which it terrorize the inhabitants the Earth, after what Einstein with relativity theory had blocked the science of the century XX. Sptephen Hawking and Roger Penrose had demonstrated in 1967 that the black holes proceed from the relativity theory.How it can conceive and it can say that the heart of the one black hole is a gravitational singularity whose volume tend to zero and whose mass tend to infinite?

[sandustanBrasov]

• SandustanBrasov

The notion of dark matter and dark energy proceed from theoretical physics, from relativity theory of the A. Einstein, from the mistaken interpretation of the physical reality. Something exist indeed: and matter and energy; but is the much ethereal matter and the her energys from the her frame. Dark energy and cosmic acceleration are a failure of relativity of the Einstein.

[sandustanBrasov]

• SandustanBrasov In 1905, A.Einstein conclude that the ether hasn't a correspondent in reality and constitute not a medium which let can serve as reference system. Thus Einstein renounced to the ether notion and absolute space and emits the two restricted relativity principles. By it content the second principle excludes the ether, impose as limit of bodies' movement - the light speed - and denatured completely the classic dynamics reality.

[MountainDew4You2]

What was all this about? I tried to understand but i dont

[albedoshader]

@MrBloodeye101: THat doesn't contradict my statement. :)

[HappyBirthdaySANTA]

no such thing as randomness!!!!!

[nickharvey7]

Entropy increases with time but we have no understanding of what time is in physics.

[walter0bz]

the function of life is to maximize entropy production...

[rudieruddock]

No no no! It's to minimize entropy production! All life, this planet, human civilisation tries to go against the second law. The earth and the solar system and cities are little bubbles of stability in a random universe! A dead body has more entropy than a living one, that's sorta why everything eventually dies!

[walter0bz]

@rudieruddock

my understanding is that

life creates more entropy something else to sustain/increase the "neg-entropy" of its own complexity ...

life evolves to seek out new sources of otherwise unburnt fuel

[TehPyroFang]

... this is all common sense -.-

its chance.. not philosophy.... all he was saying through most of this was..

the longer time drags on.. the more chance of something random happening (eg; life blah blah)

but if time wasnt progressing.. then OFCOURSE! something random isnt going to happen... because there are no forces acting apon something else (i know its all unspecific.. but its true -.-)

AND ALSO.. the cup falling in that spot isnt random at all! it depended on weight, force and gravity

[qigong1001]

I know what you are trying to say and I agree. Except, penrose and most other quantum physicists are pretty clear that "uncertainty" relates to the "classical" world only, which is a small snipit of wavefunctions. In the quantum world of wavefunctions there is no probability. Its very deterministic down there. But sounds like you already know this...lets go pick on some creationists!

[albedoshader]

@qigong1001: "But sounds like you already know this...lets go pick on some creationists!"

Lol, good one. NOW you're talking. Where's them damn creationists when you need them?

:D

[qigong1001]

@albedoshader I found them!! I found them!! They are on the Christine Odonell sites!

[albedoshader]

@qigong1001: where? Where? WHERE? Aaah, great! There they are! I want to speak with Duke Nukem's words: It's time to kick some ass and chew bubblegum!

[qigong1001]

@albedoshader Thats great. Kentucky, however, may be an interesting challenge. Do a search for "kentucky gun show" ( a few other states too). They are armed with weapons equivalent to those of the U.N. And many believe they are the "good" soldiers of Armageddon. Then again...they have a pretty decently low murder rate. Well give them 50 points for that.

[RyuDarragh]

Niiii.. I would not characterize it as randomness. 2cnd law states that entropy increases with time and entropy is ability to extract work from differences in a given volume of space. In otherwords, the space becomes more uniform with time. Even in a world of 1 billion degrees, if there's no place hotter or colder, you can't find a difference to convert into usable work.

[ImperatorAquila]

Isn't randomness what maximum entropy is? In less entropic cosmic states like today, matter/energy are not randomly allocated, rather like discrete spacetime sinks, if you like. If entropy increases to a maximum, the cosmos reaches thermal equilibrium, which is nothing but a completely random (= equal) allocation of energy. No matter where you look, it's all the same. That's what's interesting in Penrose's theory: the "where" (and the "when") lose all meaning in a thermal cosmic equilibrium.

[RyuDarragh]

Depends on how you define maximum. The universe needs to go to maximum uniformity, which means all points are exactly the same. Thermal differences aren't the only way to obtain energy. Any kind of difference is a point at which work can be done. It might, in the end, be semantics, but to me the model of randomness isn't clear. A crystal, for instance, isn't random. It's highly uniform and represents an energy minima for the arrangement of atoms.

[qigong1001]

I think those with a more biological background prefer "energy dispersal." Terms like "random" "order" "disorder" are rather anthropocentric. Yet even though Penrose says "random" he does not mean it the way people think.

As for "maximum" entropy, I suppose that would be where particles (if there are any left) have no way of interacting with each other due to astronomical distances from space expansion (assuming it continues) where time and distance become negligible. Quantum effects...?

[RyuDarragh]

I'll make a prediction for you :) The whole notion of an increasingly accelerating expansion will be altered at some point in the near future. Drasticly. Why? They have a pretty notion (if kind of dreary) of the end of the universe and why, but absolutely no explanation, in any meaningful sense, of how all that energy got to a singularity in the first place. I may be an amateur, but i somehow can't shake the notion that you can't fully understand the end without knowing the beginning, too.

[qigong1001]

Undoubtedly, as knowledge increases, ideas will be modified. I would take exception with looking for "sense" in the context of "where did the energy come from". That assumes things like "beginnings" or "endings"...more of those human-centric ideas. From what I gather, "time" is only a tool in aiding comprehension of universal evolution. You've heard of relativity, EPR experiments, uncertainty principle....these are enough to destroy primal ways of describing standard "time" and causality.

[RyuDarragh]

Precisely my point. Human notions have no place in physics. And "uncertainty" in the quantum world is another notion that has to go. Probabilities are not "uncertain". They can be calculated. Uncertainties in what we know are more the speed here.. like the ever silly "observer" paradox.

[albedoshader]

@ImperatorAquila: Entropy is a state variable that describes by how many different microscopic states a certain macroscopic state can be realized.

In statistical physics entropy is the biggest phase space volume that is realizable by a given thermodynamical system. Phase space is the amount of all realizable states of a dynamical system, e.g. the locations and impulses of all particles in a container.

[albedoshader]

@RyuDarragh: An interesting fact is that despite overall entropy rises with time (or at least doesn't get less) matter or energy can concentrate locally, like star formation, galaxy formation etc.

[RyuDarragh]

@albedoshader: Yes. Which is what life depends on. The apparent increase in order in a living system is at the expense of loss of energy, or an increase in entropy, elsewhere.

[albedoshader]

@RyuDarragh: Yeah, fascinating. I wrote this before watching the following parts of the lecture. Penrose tells about the special property of gravity in this respect compared to a box filled with gas (without gravitation), in one of the following parts later on.

I've read "Road to Reality" and this lecture helped me in some ways to understand several things a lot better than by reading alone. Penrose also has this kind of humor I like very much, he seems to be quite a nice guy.