yeah, we caught a baby bunny once... but we set it free.... only for it to run back in the trap after three seconds, so we took it to the vet after the fifth time it did that...
THEY ARE PESTS! They destroy our living space, dirty it up, and some can even carry diseases. They have brains the sizes of acorns and there billions on the planet. Killing them does not hurt.
@betawolf56 To be fair, though, beta"wolf", YOU get to live and bumble around the earth and come on youtube and leave laughable posts like this, even with your acorn-sized brain and the diseases YOU carry. Be fair, Einstein.
Okay, I know this won;t get approved cause peta never listens to reason, but ANY trap designed for rodents could also kill a kitten or a bird just as easily. don't villainize this particular trap for something all traps do.
@wes1158 Wes, anyone who doesn't even know that goddamn is one word should NOT have animals in his house. Neither should you have kids, but you probably went ahead and bred some anyway. So I"m assuming you glue-trapped them to death?
Hey PETA if animals aren't made to be killed and eaten by Humans, then why the hell are we made to? The real enemy is you, not humans because we are doing what we have done since the dawn of Human existence and you want to stop hundreds of thousands of years worth of tradition just because some neutered guy and some hippie chick in Norfolk saw a rabbit get hit by a car in the 80's?! if you want to do some right protect those who need to be protected like owls, not damaging mice and squirrels!
This is about ethics, not "tradition" and whether or not to eat meat.
It is unethical to indiscriminately kill animals simply because you find a certain species to be an inconvenience. Especially when we consider the fact that the majority of vermin species are only vermin because of the lethargic practices of humans in the first place. Good housekeeping keeps most vermin away, but it's easier for Bubba to put a glue trap down.
@plasterdbastard you know what. People don't find one species to be an inconveniance that would be as bad as being racist. The pratices of humans will just get worse and worse because this world is going down anyway but these pests invade in our homes and we must talk to them and tell them to leave or kill them you choose.
glue traps should be for inside use only, anything that is not a pet should be out of your house anyways, little cute fury animal or not. your house, your rules
what kind of idiot would put a glue trap in an open area of their house with pets! they are supposed to go into tight areas that is blocked off so pets like cats cant get into it and bugs and mice go into it
survival of the fittest, the millions of small animals that are NOT trapped have the traits. Get over it. Bambies mom got shot. pretty sure i ate her back loin for supper a few weeks ago
I am in the pest control industry and have been for years. Glue Traps are suppose to be checked on a regular basis to either un glue the animal with common vegetable oil or to be killed. I do not like killing things but when rats and mice contaminate house holds food with feces and urine they become a human health hazzard and can transmit disese and parasites.
@mclucus814 There is no regulation in the US pertaining to the humane use of glue traps. Most pest control techs "set and forget". Maybe you guys can come up with better ways to kill animals than this.
Make something foolproof and only a fool will use it. Plenty of "other" animals get caught in snap traps just as indiscriminitley. At least with a sticky trap if its too cute to kill you can unglue it. It's up to the fool using it to check the damn thing every now and again just for that instance.. Why not try legislating people out of existence since we seem to be the problem
@6x10x23 "At least with a sticky trap if its too cute to kill you can unglue it" thats like telling some one , "oh, no you're pretty, so i wont let you die, but you, you have minor flaws, so you'll just have to starve to death, ok?"
it doesnt matter what animal it it, all of them have souls, so all of them should be treated equaly. if something doesnt bother you, there is no need to destroy/end they're life
@Haylo2u That's what they're trying to do..? It's called educating people. Do you think they just left them there to die? The footage was most likely not theirs and taken from different sources.
Glue traps suck terribly. I used them briefly for mice but they are bad bad bad. There's no ethical way aside from live traps frequently checked and releasing the animals nearby.
If you find an animal (bird, etc.) stuck to a glue trap DON'T attempt to remove it; you will cause serious(if not fatal) injury. Instead, make it comfortable as possible and immediately take it to your local vet. The vet will have the proper solutions (non toxic)on hand in order to dissolve the material these pads are coated with, and the know how to GENTLY, safely free the poor thing. This happens all too often (non vermin getting stuck onto these pads) and vets deal with this problem often.
one time. i drunk out of my buddies milk jug at his house out of his fridge. and he stuck a glue trap on my leg. being a large and in charge red blooded american male, i have a lot of hair. it was interesting.
@IhateUrUglyFa che animals need shelter anyways we came in and destroyed their homes by building so much so they have a right. Not to mention we were animals first... we evolved from monkeys
why do they still use glue traps when its torture, i mean if u dont clean up animals fissies for a long time u could get prison or tickets for dont cleaning up after animals. but if u glue a rat on a piece of plastic and let it starve to death its not torture!!!!??
I don't understand why people are bitching about the suffering of pests... you don't want to see them suffer? My advise is to keep them running thru your kitchen and let them get in your food.
@Antwan04 Actually, it's not the consumers fault. They place the glue traps there to catch mice. If an animal accidentally ends up on one, how would it be there fault.? It's Lowe's fault for selling them, and that's why this video was made, to encourage them to stop.
@OlsonCommaTyler Its like saying its McDonald's fault for making people fat. Its the consumer's responsibility to make wise decisions with the products.
If a mouse trespassing into your home, you have the right to defend your home whether it be snap trap or glue. Maybe if one mouse sees another mouse stuck in a glue trap he will know not to trespass into someone's house and he will alert his other mice friends to do the same.
@ThatwasTERRIBLE first, you should make precautions to avoid mice getting inside your house. second, if an animal gets into it, you should rather chase it outside or, as a last resource, kill it as painless as possible. And mice don't think the way humans do: if they see something THEY DO NOT KNOW, they go over to investigate, and unless that mouse has got a family of his own, there will be no "dialogues" among other individuals, it doesn't work that way for them
Screw whoever made this video!!!! Traps are traps, just like rodents are rodents. Life happens. Ya do what ya hafta to keep rodents away. Sometimes things happen. Are these same idiots going to go after predators as well? I mean really, get a life.
@ncarolinian1 So you support torture do you. Apparently yes. Glue traps are torture, nothing less. Mice and rats are highly intelligent animals and even though they cause some people some annoyance, no living creature deserves to go through the level of pain and suffering that glue traps inflict.
i also think they should stop, just catch without glue traps or tortuess machines, and send the mice or rats away, o love living creatures, except roaches and ants, they should all dissapear. well rats cats, mice, birds, all get caught in those awful traps, Lowes, stop selling those damn traps.
...can't blame Lowe's for careless use of product by consumers who won't read directions and the result(s) harm non-target species. You fools want the list for what diseases and transmittable parasites which are harmful to your nice, pink little yuppie asses and the rest of humanity from Gods' little 4-legged septic-tanks- Go to cdc.gov
The biggest parasite is the human being as the video and your comment clearly prove, You think it is ok for ANY animal to be left stuck in glue because somebody didnt want it near there house ? Maybe it should be you that needs to be stuck in glue and left to die ... Because i and a lot of other sure dont want people like you on this earth...
The glue traps are definitely horrible, but if you catch it instantly, go outside with the animal, and use baby oil. If you don't, the animal not only starve/dehydrate, but can possibly tangle in the trap more/gnaw its limbs off to get off the trap/and or bleed and pee on the trap and make a bigger mess. It's terrible.
who is stupid enough to have birds and squirrels in their home w/ no confinement? u have a cat and a rat problem? hide the traps out of the pets way you idiots
now u gotta be just plain stupid to leave a glue trap up on a pole in the air. u think the rodents are gonna get up there? PUT IT ON THE GROUND. U have birds and squirrels in ur house, u gotta be more careful. its also ur fault ppl. They also put a trap in a cardboard box. USE UR BRAINS PPL. PUT THESE TRAPS IN HARD TO REACH AREAS LIKE IN A BASEMENT, GARAGE OR OTHER SMALL AREAS SO OTHERS STAY OUT OF THE WAY
@Tehn0odles There are other means in catching mice. Glue traps can cause more mess (blood from the animal from trying to gnaw it self out of the trap, the animal peeing on the trap from panic). If you have children, I hope you use more animal-friendly traps to also educate them killing/torturing the animal isn't the only way to get rid of them.
Why should I tell Lowes to stop selling anything? If you dont like glue traps than dont buy them. Who are you to dictate what the rest of us should do? I like glue traps. They work, are legal, and Lowes has the right to sell them. Get over it.
@circusboy90210 And you have no right torturing other things. If we could live in a world where there's no murder, rape, genocide, ect fuck yes we should modify human behaviour. I guess you want to live in a world full of pain, and not improve it...
I use glue traps to keep them still before I humanely exterminate them before bleeding hearts can complain about them suffering. I would prefer to not have to go to the trouble of checking daily, but God knows that if I don't, somehow it'll escape. I say if its not illegal, and it makes money, sell it. Go Lowes.
one time we set a glue trap up and ended up catching a baby mouse...i cried when i saw it was still suffering and promised i would never do that again
What the squirrels have done to them ?? and the poor cats ? And the birds ? Rats and mouses , we can accept that , but killing a poor animal and innocent like that ! They don't deserve such a death !! Stupid humans
Really, this should be labelled "Glue-trap cruelty". Lowe's has nothing to do with it. Poisoning ain't such a kind way either. But then I guess any time your'e killing something, it's hard to say it's a kind, nice, sweet, gentle, humane thing. There is quick and painless, and there is slow painful.
leave Lowe's alone. So what if they sell it. Sometimes glue traps are all that will work. if an innocent bird or kitten dies from it - not good, but too bad. It is a small price to pay for the greater good.
@YaletownExec don't tell me all about the greater good! what if you were this tiny, little furry animal; every night you run around desperate for food, you don't want to hurt anyone, you're just hungry, can you help that? can you help that you're this little furry animal that doesn't know how to find food because all these big people moved in and took over you're land. you might actually apreciate these humans for putting out food for you, and then...one day you..you get caught,
@YaletownExec and then you're scared, you're tiny heart is punding, you're friends never find you and you squirm and squirm until...you're heart slowly...stops..beating....does that sound like greater good to you?
This is not only for Lowe's, but for every brand that make/sale these kinda traps. They are one of the most effective, but they are surely cruel... though they make the job. If you really need to use one, I recommend only putting these once you know there's a pest in the house, not for prevention when there's nothing. Put them ONLY inside and in places you know your pets won't fit but the pest will, and check them everyday, several times to avoid unnecessary suffering.
If you have mice, please use the old fashioned mouse trap or poison. Those kill quickly and efficiently. Or better yet; have cats (or encourage native raptors and snakes to live on your property) to control rodent numbers. Please don't use glue traps. Rodents, mammals have the same feelings humans have, it's not like a fly trap. I plead for humane killing, if you must kill.
My friend showed me this video so I tagged along with our huge circle of friends and went to Lowe's. We showed the manager the video and she seemed very intimidated, and said she'll do what she can since the glue traps don't sell much anyway. We have gone back since then and the traps seem to have sold out but they haven't restocked for several weeks.
@flyxify THATS the American thing to do, GET INVOLVED kids, dont just piss and moan that America is nt doing enoigh for you, YOU do the work ! keep at it !
i hate when people complain about animal 'pests'. i understand the frustration, but the whole world doesnt just revolve around humans and our comfort. animals outnumber us by far, and the world wont turn without them. foxes are 'pests' because WE moved onto THEIR territory, leaving our garbage out and allowing them to breed. it doesnt matter what the animal is, these things are cruel and disgusting. this is a classic case of people who only care about 'cute' animals...get over yourselves.
You know what? Glue traps are an effective way to catch mice in homes. It takes a responsible person to use them right, as with most things. You don't set a trap and leave it for days. You check every day. You don't place it where pets can access it (like any poison or trap) and you don't put them outside so any animal can get to it. Very simple. And if you're gonna tell Lowe's you better tell every other store on the planet too, bc they're sold EVERYWHERE!
@garciajennifer223 The trap instructions encourage people to throw living animals into the bin. They even have images of it - catch animal, throw away. They encourage cruelty, a snap trap is also effective yet it kills quickly.
And no, they're not sold everywhere. A lot of countries have made them illegal, and in places where they're legal, a lot of stores have stopped selling them on moral grounds.
The entire reason rats are so widespread are because of humans in the first place. It may take extremely cruel measures to kill rats and mice, but its necessary. They cause widespread damage to not only human settlements but to the environment as well as native species become endangered due to the introduction of rats. Also, death is part of life. PETA is going way over the top with completely unrealistic ideas about all animals living in harmony. It hasn't happened in the last 5 billion years.
@xitriz Extremely cruel measures are never necessary. They're only used because people are lazy, dumb and cheap.
Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us how it is "necessary" to leave an animal stuck on a glue trap, and wait for it to expire, rather than killing it humanely? Any excuse for convenience will do, eh? You disgust me.
Let's do this, all people who think this is the most insane thing of all the world, Thumbs up, so they can see how many people don't like those insane men. Help the nature PLEASE !!
you think its right just because something might have a disease... I can think of alot of humans that fall into that category and are FAR WORSE when it comes to the damage they can wreak . Unfortunately for humans, not all the diseases are spread through stupidity. And yes there are kinder ways to rid a home of mice and rats down to devices that just plug into your wall and send out frequencies that strongly deter rodents. Think of all the dead rats you don't have to clean up!
If you don't think animals have the potential to kill for fun just as humans, you are dead wrong. Look up killer dolphins. So what do you think about dolphins now huh? Scold them? Make fun of them and call them a scourge of the world? At least these people are killing this rat for their health reasons. Who knows what this rat had. Do you think just letting them back in the wild is going to keep them away. You are just continuing the cycle and letting another family deal with it.
@Drbolla345 Just because something *might* have disease doesn't mean it's right to torture it to death. That's the point being made - in that the method is unnecessarily cruel. Killing isn't in question here.
How people miss this point amazes me. Just because some say they're against methods like glue traps doesn't really mean they're a "live and let live" person.
@CasterTown If you're seriously comparing human action to a lion, then you're a fucking idiot. A lion does it to eat - to survive. Lions don't have any concept of right and wrong, or its prey suffering either. Humans do. And it's not necessary to torture an animal on a glue trap.
But fine. Act like a lion instead of a human being... expected to get treated like one.
*sigh* People this is the animal world. As evolved as we are, we are still animals. Bigger fishy eats little fishy if there is a means, opportunity and necessity.
If you check the traps a couple times a day the animal won't die and if I remember correctly you use oil to get them out of the trap. But as a lot of people have stated already. Rats, mice, and even squirrels carry some nasty diseases.
Rats carry lots of diseases. If you don't kill them, they will eventually, indirectly kill you. Isn't survival a core priority for any species? They fight with teeth, we fight with poison and glue traps. Humans are stronger than mice, period.
People saying "get a grip" or "who cares", its not THEIR fault they carry diseases. Nor is it their fault the environment WE create is a perfect place for them to breed and fester.Yes they need to be taken care of, but there is absolutely no sense in being cruel. What gives us the right to cause ANY creature to suffer? Oh because we're higher on the chain? We have no right to cause suffering. Its just because humans suck that they cause suffering globally. Use KILLER traps, not glue traps.
Why doesn't PETA emphasize that glue traps are crappy at eliminating disease vectors (urine, feces, blood, etc...) and are therefore impractical if your primary concern is vermin spreading pathogens?
Because that might require them to reveal that comparatively humane snap traps are the best solution in terms of limiting disease, and they're unwilling to reduce animal suffering pragmatically by offering a solution that still kills.
I don't like glue traps (there are other, more humane ways of removing pests), but seriously... If we stopped going to all the stores and stopped buying all the products that PETA says we should, we'd have an incredibly limited number of options remaining, if not none at all.
Lowes doesn't just sell these traps. Home Depot, Victorpest(dot)com ((though they do sell humane traps where the mouse is alive and also ultrasonic stuff to annoy all rodents alike to leave)). I was reading about kittens and other animals getting stuck on these, you need some kind of oil not vegetable to get them free. I don't want myself or animals to get stuck on these so I don't buy them, I buy the human traps instead and set the mice free, albeit AWAY from my garage.
i hate you people who think the animals stuck in the trap is funny. and for the people who think they cant live without glue traps then think about how those animals WOULD OF LIVED if it wasn't for those traps. i agree to use have a heart traps. lastly the people who are posting comments about how we shont feel bad for the animals that get stuck. think about how HUMANS ARE THE VERMIN what the wild animals are "tearing up" was their home and WE DESTROYED IT they are just trying to adapt to it
well i think is good that rats and mice get stuck BUT what about birds and squirrels and kittens? they do what they are suppose to do,I mean they take another pests out of your house and this is how you thank them? KILLING them. i cant go with the glue traps if my kitten gets stuck there or birds or even your pup paying with a glue trap. you know what GET ANOTHER TRAP. look for other traps like the ones that are in have-a-heart.
It's not the company's fault. It's the customer's fault. The way they use the trap. Rats/rodents are vermin. They eat your food, bite through everything, DESTROY PROPERTY. Why feel bad for the ones causing you destruction?
THESE ARE GODS ANIMALS, WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TOO, NO ANIMAL DESERVES TO DIE, LET ALONE DIE IN A HORRIFIC WAY AS IN THESE TRAPS. STOP MAKING TRAPS FOR DEFENSELESS ANIMALS & CREATE MORE TRAPS TO CAPTURE CRIMINALS WHCIH IS YOUR REAL THREAT. ANIMALS WON'T STAB YOU IN THE BACK, ROB YOU, CAR JACK YOU, MURDER YOU, PEOLPLE WILL, NOT ANIMALS. IT'S AN OLD CONCIOUSNESS THAT ANIMALS HAVE TO DIE, LEARN TO PROTECT LIFE NOT DESTROY IT. ANIMALS ARE GOD'S GIFTS TO US, WHEN YOU HUT THEM, YOU HURT GOD.
@mysteriousstranger24 if you knew anything about god, wich obviously you dont. everything die's, he said you can eat animals (depending). have you read the bible? or know anything about god> atleast do some research befor you post something stupid like this.
@mysteriousstranger24 Animals murder thousands of people a year. Didn't you here of that chimp that ripped that lady's face off and ate her hands? That incident prompted me to create glue traps capable of capturing a 400 lb. guerilla, and spreading them across the woods behind my house.
all that is needed to free an animal from a glue trap is some vegetable/cooking oil.
ProudToBeVeggie 2 days ago
i'm going to tell lowes, that we should make all of these animals kings and chiefs over us, so we can worship them : ]
IWantToKnowChrist 3 days ago
guys if you see a non target animal on the trap use cooking oil or olive oil it will break the stick
xxxpaintbal 1 week ago
@xxxpaintbal
LOL "non-target" animal. What about the target animal? Nahh, it deserves to be tortured eh? They shouldn't be used for ANY animal, period!
MarkPalantos 1 week ago
Expect that from pETA: Instead of going after Victor or Tomcat, they go after the chain that only sells their products.
Afraid of going after the big guys?
DUKENUKEM132 2 weeks ago
@DUKENUKEM132 Um well going after the chain will help end the guys making them in the first place and help stop others from making them later.
cadigris 2 days ago
0:41 No! Not the budgie :,(
InDeepSchit 2 weeks ago
ill stand alive...
reddeath0 2 weeks ago
yeah, we caught a baby bunny once... but we set it free.... only for it to run back in the trap after three seconds, so we took it to the vet after the fifth time it did that...
mcridiculose 3 weeks ago
Even snap traps are more humane than glue traps. If you use a glue trap you are not a good person.
trevorx2500 3 weeks ago
Some of your are fricking heartless idiots.
If you don't like PETA's idea then just bloody go away. :@
xxxtessxxxmacxxx 3 weeks ago
I use them for scorpions in my house, and they catch an occasional lizard, which i do feel bad about
chargindave70 3 weeks ago
thats what the reason for glue traps is
England1414 3 weeks ago
THEY ARE PESTS! They destroy our living space, dirty it up, and some can even carry diseases. They have brains the sizes of acorns and there billions on the planet. Killing them does not hurt.
betawolf56 3 weeks ago
@betawolf56 Humans do far worse to each other - so what kind of an excuse is that to torture something to death? :/
Seems like you have a brain the size of an acorn, really.
MarkPalantos 3 weeks ago
@betawolf56 To be fair, though, beta"wolf", YOU get to live and bumble around the earth and come on youtube and leave laughable posts like this, even with your acorn-sized brain and the diseases YOU carry. Be fair, Einstein.
antonialeigh 3 weeks ago 2
Okay, I know this won;t get approved cause peta never listens to reason, but ANY trap designed for rodents could also kill a kitten or a bird just as easily. don't villainize this particular trap for something all traps do.
bombindahcity 3 weeks ago 2
some of us dont want god damn animals in our houses!
wes1158 4 weeks ago
@wes1158 Wes, anyone who doesn't even know that goddamn is one word should NOT have animals in his house. Neither should you have kids, but you probably went ahead and bred some anyway. So I"m assuming you glue-trapped them to death?
antonialeigh 3 weeks ago
who cares about mice rats and birds
BurgOutdoors 4 weeks ago
What song is this?
Forevaitalia 4 weeks ago
@Forevaitalia sounds like the theme from the movie "Moon" can anyone confirm?
SouthernCalEd 2 weeks ago
Why, why, thats so horrible!! Thats why I just shoot any mouse that runs in my house, its fast and clean well except for the blood.
awesomesharaf 4 weeks ago
@awesomesharaf...do you actually shoot them? lol man. but yes i agree w/ u. Give it a quick clean death and not make it suffer
ChalkLitIScream 3 weeks ago
Hey PETA if animals aren't made to be killed and eaten by Humans, then why the hell are we made to? The real enemy is you, not humans because we are doing what we have done since the dawn of Human existence and you want to stop hundreds of thousands of years worth of tradition just because some neutered guy and some hippie chick in Norfolk saw a rabbit get hit by a car in the 80's?! if you want to do some right protect those who need to be protected like owls, not damaging mice and squirrels!
WiredrawnMurder45 1 month ago
@WiredrawnMurder45
You're so way off base it's sad.
This is about ethics, not "tradition" and whether or not to eat meat.
It is unethical to indiscriminately kill animals simply because you find a certain species to be an inconvenience. Especially when we consider the fact that the majority of vermin species are only vermin because of the lethargic practices of humans in the first place. Good housekeeping keeps most vermin away, but it's easier for Bubba to put a glue trap down.
plasterdbastard 4 weeks ago
@plasterdbastard you know what. People don't find one species to be an inconveniance that would be as bad as being racist. The pratices of humans will just get worse and worse because this world is going down anyway but these pests invade in our homes and we must talk to them and tell them to leave or kill them you choose.
beotch22utube 3 weeks ago
@WiredrawnMurder45 what?
farginargle 3 weeks ago
glue traps should be for inside use only, anything that is not a pet should be out of your house anyways, little cute fury animal or not. your house, your rules
XicandyiX 1 month ago
what kind of idiot would put a glue trap in an open area of their house with pets! they are supposed to go into tight areas that is blocked off so pets like cats cant get into it and bugs and mice go into it
GreekMalakaFTH 1 month ago
survival of the fittest, the millions of small animals that are NOT trapped have the traits. Get over it. Bambies mom got shot. pretty sure i ate her back loin for supper a few weeks ago
scaskey123321 1 month ago
@scaskey123321 uh, no, you grow a conscience.
farginargle 3 weeks ago
I am in the pest control industry and have been for years. Glue Traps are suppose to be checked on a regular basis to either un glue the animal with common vegetable oil or to be killed. I do not like killing things but when rats and mice contaminate house holds food with feces and urine they become a human health hazzard and can transmit disese and parasites.
mclucus814 1 month ago
@mclucus814 There is no regulation in the US pertaining to the humane use of glue traps. Most pest control techs "set and forget". Maybe you guys can come up with better ways to kill animals than this.
RyanRummy 1 month ago
Um... what were a gerbil and a parakeet doing in Lowes? Last I knew they weren't a pet store. I can see that happening in Petco, but not Lowes.
crystalwolf2006 1 month ago
i mean i understand if its rats or mice but birds and squirrels thats just wrong.
MultiGhost119 1 month ago
Make something foolproof and only a fool will use it. Plenty of "other" animals get caught in snap traps just as indiscriminitley. At least with a sticky trap if its too cute to kill you can unglue it. It's up to the fool using it to check the damn thing every now and again just for that instance.. Why not try legislating people out of existence since we seem to be the problem
6x10x23 1 month ago
@6x10x23 "At least with a sticky trap if its too cute to kill you can unglue it" thats like telling some one , "oh, no you're pretty, so i wont let you die, but you, you have minor flaws, so you'll just have to starve to death, ok?"
it doesnt matter what animal it it, all of them have souls, so all of them should be treated equaly. if something doesnt bother you, there is no need to destroy/end they're life
hummingbirdcanada 1 month ago
Hey, PETA how about instead of just filming those poor animals you help them.
Haylo2u 2 months ago
@Haylo2u That's what they're trying to do..? It's called educating people. Do you think they just left them there to die? The footage was most likely not theirs and taken from different sources.
XoXoSakuraKissXoXo 1 month ago
Glue traps suck terribly. I used them briefly for mice but they are bad bad bad. There's no ethical way aside from live traps frequently checked and releasing the animals nearby.
strandwolf 2 months ago
If you find an animal (bird, etc.) stuck to a glue trap DON'T attempt to remove it; you will cause serious(if not fatal) injury. Instead, make it comfortable as possible and immediately take it to your local vet. The vet will have the proper solutions (non toxic)on hand in order to dissolve the material these pads are coated with, and the know how to GENTLY, safely free the poor thing. This happens all too often (non vermin getting stuck onto these pads) and vets deal with this problem often.
Babyhowdy233 2 months ago 26
one time. i drunk out of my buddies milk jug at his house out of his fridge. and he stuck a glue trap on my leg. being a large and in charge red blooded american male, i have a lot of hair. it was interesting.
23HAMSANDWICH 2 months ago
i have the right to do whatever i want.
23HAMSANDWICH 2 months ago
@23HAMSANDWICH what do you want?
farginargle 3 weeks ago
well tell the animals to stay out of our houses and then they wont starve to death gosh
IhateUrUglyFace 2 months ago
@IhateUrUglyFa che animals need shelter anyways we came in and destroyed their homes by building so much so they have a right. Not to mention we were animals first... we evolved from monkeys
Haylo2u 2 months ago 9
why do they still use glue traps when its torture, i mean if u dont clean up animals fissies for a long time u could get prison or tickets for dont cleaning up after animals. but if u glue a rat on a piece of plastic and let it starve to death its not torture!!!!??
djeerryy 2 months ago 2
NOT KITTENS!!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
MsRobin1101 2 months ago
Glue traps for humans!
blackforest995 2 months ago
thats sad
BamfMan13 2 months ago
I don't see why so many people hate Peta. I love you guys!
AKArainkit 3 months ago
I don't understand why people are bitching about the suffering of pests... you don't want to see them suffer? My advise is to keep them running thru your kitchen and let them get in your food.
itofficer02 3 months ago
0:33 ...did you got your knife trapped in a glue trap too? Wow... (just messing around, I think that knife is there to hold that trap up though)
0:39 ... seriously?
SegamenXp 3 months ago
Is there an antidote to the glue? Something you could pour over a trapped critter to dissolve the bond?
iamgoddard 3 months ago
dont blame lowes, it's the consumers responsibility to check the traps periodically to discard it appropriately
Antwan04 3 months ago 52
@Antwan04 who makes them?? LOWES!! not consumers ault. well actually, both lowes and the consumer are idiots
Westiepup101 3 months ago
@Westiepup101 Actually, Lowes doesn't make them, they just sell them. The blame goes to all parties - the consumer, the seller and the manufacturer.
RyanRummy 3 months ago
@Antwan04 Actually, it's not the consumers fault. They place the glue traps there to catch mice. If an animal accidentally ends up on one, how would it be there fault.? It's Lowe's fault for selling them, and that's why this video was made, to encourage them to stop.
OlsonCommaTyler 3 months ago
@OlsonCommaTyler Its like saying its McDonald's fault for making people fat. Its the consumer's responsibility to make wise decisions with the products.
darkwarrior696 2 months ago 3
@Antwan04 I'd NEVER shop at Lowes and it's my intention to let everybody I know drop any furthr visits to that greedy destructive chain.
PanzerBlitz43 2 weeks ago
@PanzerBlitz43 dont blame the fucking company. i bet u went to lowes for things until u saw this video
cdrsportspaintball 1 week ago
@PanzerBlitz43 Wal-mart is worse
SmokinTJ420 1 week ago
If a mouse trespassing into your home, you have the right to defend your home whether it be snap trap or glue. Maybe if one mouse sees another mouse stuck in a glue trap he will know not to trespass into someone's house and he will alert his other mice friends to do the same.
ThatwasTERRIBLE 4 months ago
@ThatwasTERRIBLE You have no right to torture something, though. And that's BS - it'll just prevent them from walking on the trap again.
Chocabloc84 3 months ago
@Chocabloc84 Who decides if I have right to do something or not? You? Lol gtf
Caron3Butler 3 months ago
@Caron3Butler The law, usually.
And who decides it's right to torture a mouse/rat to death?
You have issues, pal.
RyanRummy 3 months ago
@ThatwasTERRIBLE first, you should make precautions to avoid mice getting inside your house. second, if an animal gets into it, you should rather chase it outside or, as a last resource, kill it as painless as possible. And mice don't think the way humans do: if they see something THEY DO NOT KNOW, they go over to investigate, and unless that mouse has got a family of his own, there will be no "dialogues" among other individuals, it doesn't work that way for them
murika93scorpio 3 months ago
Screw whoever made this video!!!! Traps are traps, just like rodents are rodents. Life happens. Ya do what ya hafta to keep rodents away. Sometimes things happen. Are these same idiots going to go after predators as well? I mean really, get a life.
ncarolinian1 4 months ago
@ncarolinian1 Do you even understand the point of this video?
Chocabloc84 4 months ago
@ncarolinian1 So you support torture do you. Apparently yes. Glue traps are torture, nothing less. Mice and rats are highly intelligent animals and even though they cause some people some annoyance, no living creature deserves to go through the level of pain and suffering that glue traps inflict.
samuel9119 4 months ago
@ncarolinian1 I agree but there are definately more humane traps to kill them with, which I would recommend using.
KedViper 3 months ago
@ncarolinian1 got one, thanks.
farginargle 3 weeks ago
i also think they should stop, just catch without glue traps or tortuess machines, and send the mice or rats away, o love living creatures, except roaches and ants, they should all dissapear. well rats cats, mice, birds, all get caught in those awful traps, Lowes, stop selling those damn traps.
765protoman 4 months ago
The music is by Nine Inch Nails (Trent Reznor). Great music; very appropriate.
MarcusDolby 4 months ago
@MarcusDolbyTOTALLY AGREEEE (TRENT REZNOR) 2012=)I CANT WAIT PEOPLE ARE $LAVE$ IN TOTALLY IGNORANT AND ARROGANT=(
faraon2012 4 months ago
...can't blame Lowe's for careless use of product by consumers who won't read directions and the result(s) harm non-target species. You fools want the list for what diseases and transmittable parasites which are harmful to your nice, pink little yuppie asses and the rest of humanity from Gods' little 4-legged septic-tanks- Go to cdc.gov
SittingMooseShaman 4 months ago
@SittingMooseShaman
The biggest parasite is the human being as the video and your comment clearly prove, You think it is ok for ANY animal to be left stuck in glue because somebody didnt want it near there house ? Maybe it should be you that needs to be stuck in glue and left to die ... Because i and a lot of other sure dont want people like you on this earth...
BIGGESTxxEMINEMxxFAN 4 months ago
save the kitty
shadowjthehedgehog 4 months ago
The glue traps are definitely horrible, but if you catch it instantly, go outside with the animal, and use baby oil. If you don't, the animal not only starve/dehydrate, but can possibly tangle in the trap more/gnaw its limbs off to get off the trap/and or bleed and pee on the trap and make a bigger mess. It's terrible.
boxfulloftangerines 4 months ago
the cat :(
hashali123 5 months ago
the bird :( poor little bird ... he cant move!
369fernandez 5 months ago
who is stupid enough to have birds and squirrels in their home w/ no confinement? u have a cat and a rat problem? hide the traps out of the pets way you idiots
port753 5 months ago
now u gotta be just plain stupid to leave a glue trap up on a pole in the air. u think the rodents are gonna get up there? PUT IT ON THE GROUND. U have birds and squirrels in ur house, u gotta be more careful. its also ur fault ppl. They also put a trap in a cardboard box. USE UR BRAINS PPL. PUT THESE TRAPS IN HARD TO REACH AREAS LIKE IN A BASEMENT, GARAGE OR OTHER SMALL AREAS SO OTHERS STAY OUT OF THE WAY
port753 5 months ago
I think traps are unnecessary and that the necessary thing to do is seal off your home/business and prevent pests.
ThomasXp 5 months ago
Tell people to stop buying, not lowes to stop selling.
MrGuyDudeHomie 5 months ago
I'd rather buy a glue trap than risk my kids getting sick from a diseased rat that's been raiding food from my kitchen. Perspective, people.
Tehn0odles 5 months ago
@Tehn0odles There are other means in catching mice. Glue traps can cause more mess (blood from the animal from trying to gnaw it self out of the trap, the animal peeing on the trap from panic). If you have children, I hope you use more animal-friendly traps to also educate them killing/torturing the animal isn't the only way to get rid of them.
boxfulloftangerines 4 months ago
Next you will tell us to stop animal testing.
Fightingirishajf 5 months ago
@Fightingirishajf now that you mention it...
farginargle 3 weeks ago
Why should I tell Lowes to stop selling anything? If you dont like glue traps than dont buy them. Who are you to dictate what the rest of us should do? I like glue traps. They work, are legal, and Lowes has the right to sell them. Get over it.
E6shadow 5 months ago
@E6shadow You shouldn't be allowed to torture animals to death. It's our right to tell cruel people to stop being cruel jerkasses. :/
Smegoff84 5 months ago 9
@Smegoff84 no it's not your right to modify any other humans behavior .
circusboy90210 2 months ago
@circusboy90210 And you have no right torturing other things. If we could live in a world where there's no murder, rape, genocide, ect fuck yes we should modify human behaviour. I guess you want to live in a world full of pain, and not improve it...
RyanRummy 2 months ago
@Smegoff84
But the disease they bring is ok?
Harmonlisa 2 months ago
@Harmonlisa You don't need to torture anything to death to prevent disease. What a stupid question.
Smegoff84 2 months ago
AAAAAAAAAAWWWWW PEOPLE DO CARE
TheMewMix 5 months ago
I use glue traps to keep them still before I humanely exterminate them before bleeding hearts can complain about them suffering. I would prefer to not have to go to the trouble of checking daily, but God knows that if I don't, somehow it'll escape. I say if its not illegal, and it makes money, sell it. Go Lowes.
7d3adlys1ns 5 months ago
Hmm I don't think they should be making these for CATS & BIRDS ! TF
AminaBeex333 5 months ago
one time we set a glue trap up and ended up catching a baby mouse...i cried when i saw it was still suffering and promised i would never do that again
chillyhobo 5 months ago
not the cat!NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
11abdirazak 6 months ago
no
beotch22utube 6 months ago
poor animals ;(
Aimanrulez 6 months ago
What the squirrels have done to them ?? and the poor cats ? And the birds ? Rats and mouses , we can accept that , but killing a poor animal and innocent like that ! They don't deserve such a death !! Stupid humans
NNouha 6 months ago
your right. poor things
SuperVICTORSALGADO 6 months ago
@NNouha most of those animals are pest but thats still cruel
reptifreak99 5 months ago
Really, this should be labelled "Glue-trap cruelty". Lowe's has nothing to do with it. Poisoning ain't such a kind way either. But then I guess any time your'e killing something, it's hard to say it's a kind, nice, sweet, gentle, humane thing. There is quick and painless, and there is slow painful.
jerami101 6 months ago
You know, for PETA you guys sure like to look up pictures of animal cruelty... like a lot...
0ldSandwich 6 months ago
Fuck Lowe's I LOVE ANIMALS i would buy save traps and let them back into the wild
PedroyItatiFan 6 months ago
@PedroyItatiFan YES ! MORE BOX TRAPS! WHERE U CAN FIND THEM AND SET THEM FREE T.T! dont kill em!....i cried a little when i saw the cat.
chillyhobo 4 months ago
leave Lowe's alone. So what if they sell it. Sometimes glue traps are all that will work. if an innocent bird or kitten dies from it - not good, but too bad. It is a small price to pay for the greater good.
YaletownExec 6 months ago
@YaletownExec don't tell me all about the greater good! what if you were this tiny, little furry animal; every night you run around desperate for food, you don't want to hurt anyone, you're just hungry, can you help that? can you help that you're this little furry animal that doesn't know how to find food because all these big people moved in and took over you're land. you might actually apreciate these humans for putting out food for you, and then...one day you..you get caught,
chillyhobo 4 months ago
@YaletownExec and then you're scared, you're tiny heart is punding, you're friends never find you and you squirm and squirm until...you're heart slowly...stops..beating....does that sound like greater good to you?
chillyhobo 4 months ago
This is not only for Lowe's, but for every brand that make/sale these kinda traps. They are one of the most effective, but they are surely cruel... though they make the job. If you really need to use one, I recommend only putting these once you know there's a pest in the house, not for prevention when there's nothing. Put them ONLY inside and in places you know your pets won't fit but the pest will, and check them everyday, several times to avoid unnecessary suffering.
wil529 6 months ago
This is a horrendous way for an animal to die!
If you have mice, please use the old fashioned mouse trap or poison. Those kill quickly and efficiently. Or better yet; have cats (or encourage native raptors and snakes to live on your property) to control rodent numbers. Please don't use glue traps. Rodents, mammals have the same feelings humans have, it's not like a fly trap. I plead for humane killing, if you must kill.
RobbytheLion 6 months ago
My friend showed me this video so I tagged along with our huge circle of friends and went to Lowe's. We showed the manager the video and she seemed very intimidated, and said she'll do what she can since the glue traps don't sell much anyway. We have gone back since then and the traps seem to have sold out but they haven't restocked for several weeks.
flyxify 6 months ago
@flyxify THATS the American thing to do, GET INVOLVED kids, dont just piss and moan that America is nt doing enoigh for you, YOU do the work ! keep at it !
poosaypirate 6 months ago
i hate when people complain about animal 'pests'. i understand the frustration, but the whole world doesnt just revolve around humans and our comfort. animals outnumber us by far, and the world wont turn without them. foxes are 'pests' because WE moved onto THEIR territory, leaving our garbage out and allowing them to breed. it doesnt matter what the animal is, these things are cruel and disgusting. this is a classic case of people who only care about 'cute' animals...get over yourselves.
likeastarbaby 6 months ago
como siempre....peta escandalizando....son unos amarillistas.......
AL6025 6 months ago
but the birds or squrrels or kittens they do not deserve this
teomin 6 months ago
Whoever made Glue Traps is a Gigantic Sparkling Dick , Cleaned With the Finest of Douche .
ImmortalGuitarCovers 6 months ago
Imagine being glued on a small spot of wood without any food or water. Thats just sick.
ScrubsTheNewcomers 6 months ago
Yeah telling a major corporation what to do will only get you a round of laughter. Get real !
AnywhereButHere09 6 months ago
that is stupid
alex1988andr 6 months ago
You know what? Glue traps are an effective way to catch mice in homes. It takes a responsible person to use them right, as with most things. You don't set a trap and leave it for days. You check every day. You don't place it where pets can access it (like any poison or trap) and you don't put them outside so any animal can get to it. Very simple. And if you're gonna tell Lowe's you better tell every other store on the planet too, bc they're sold EVERYWHERE!
garciajennifer223 6 months ago
@garciajennifer223 The trap instructions encourage people to throw living animals into the bin. They even have images of it - catch animal, throw away. They encourage cruelty, a snap trap is also effective yet it kills quickly.
And no, they're not sold everywhere. A lot of countries have made them illegal, and in places where they're legal, a lot of stores have stopped selling them on moral grounds.
Smegoff84 6 months ago
i feel so bad for using this on a mouse that got in my house. :(
Armandocoolio 7 months ago
get a damn CAT!
cardshark722 7 months ago
The entire reason rats are so widespread are because of humans in the first place. It may take extremely cruel measures to kill rats and mice, but its necessary. They cause widespread damage to not only human settlements but to the environment as well as native species become endangered due to the introduction of rats. Also, death is part of life. PETA is going way over the top with completely unrealistic ideas about all animals living in harmony. It hasn't happened in the last 5 billion years.
xitriz 7 months ago
@xitriz Extremely cruel measures are never necessary. They're only used because people are lazy, dumb and cheap.
Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us how it is "necessary" to leave an animal stuck on a glue trap, and wait for it to expire, rather than killing it humanely? Any excuse for convenience will do, eh? You disgust me.
Smegoff84 7 months ago
awwwwwwwww so sad im never going to lowes again. man that is so mean poor squirrel. i love squirrels i agree with peta
825kitten 7 months ago
don't tell me what to dooo!!!
sonofthesun2188 7 months ago
Why are they only against Lowes? Other places sell these things too you know.
MarkZacharyII 7 months ago
Let's do this, all people who think this is the most insane thing of all the world, Thumbs up, so they can see how many people don't like those insane men. Help the nature PLEASE !!
MXRXVXMASTER 7 months ago
I do have to agree with PETA on this one. There is better ways of getting rid of rodents.
RECTJ001 7 months ago
you think its right just because something might have a disease... I can think of alot of humans that fall into that category and are FAR WORSE when it comes to the damage they can wreak . Unfortunately for humans, not all the diseases are spread through stupidity. And yes there are kinder ways to rid a home of mice and rats down to devices that just plug into your wall and send out frequencies that strongly deter rodents. Think of all the dead rats you don't have to clean up!
mutualdisagreement 7 months ago
nine inch nails makes for good background music
JimBoopLoop 7 months ago
If you don't think animals have the potential to kill for fun just as humans, you are dead wrong. Look up killer dolphins. So what do you think about dolphins now huh? Scold them? Make fun of them and call them a scourge of the world? At least these people are killing this rat for their health reasons. Who knows what this rat had. Do you think just letting them back in the wild is going to keep them away. You are just continuing the cycle and letting another family deal with it.
Drbolla345 7 months ago
@Drbolla345 Just because something *might* have disease doesn't mean it's right to torture it to death. That's the point being made - in that the method is unnecessarily cruel. Killing isn't in question here.
How people miss this point amazes me. Just because some say they're against methods like glue traps doesn't really mean they're a "live and let live" person.
Smegoff84 7 months ago
Do these people think its sad when a lion takes down a gazelle? OH THE SUFFERING OF THAT POOR GAZELLE. Give me a break.
CasterTown 7 months ago
@CasterTown If you're seriously comparing human action to a lion, then you're a fucking idiot. A lion does it to eat - to survive. Lions don't have any concept of right and wrong, or its prey suffering either. Humans do. And it's not necessary to torture an animal on a glue trap.
But fine. Act like a lion instead of a human being... expected to get treated like one.
Smegoff84 7 months ago
Nine Inch Nails :p
TheRhubarbIsASpy 7 months ago
*sigh* People this is the animal world. As evolved as we are, we are still animals. Bigger fishy eats little fishy if there is a means, opportunity and necessity.
KANDYMAN08 8 months ago
Heartbreaking to see precious lives lost! You sow evil ,you'll reap evil!
charliecoolstar 8 months ago
one M0:00re time xD
XPesad0 8 months ago 13
@XPesad0 now hey wait i'm not sure they got the message...i think they still need to watch it one m0:00re time!
chillyhobo 5 months ago
If you check the traps a couple times a day the animal won't die and if I remember correctly you use oil to get them out of the trap. But as a lot of people have stated already. Rats, mice, and even squirrels carry some nasty diseases.
uniquemommy1984 8 months ago
Poor Animals!:( I totally appreciate you for making this video to show how cruel these things are..):
KristleRox12 8 months ago
People who care this much about animals have no friends
ESPsandEmgs 8 months ago
@ESPsandEmgs you spoke my mind
MaxusHitler 8 months ago
Rats carry lots of diseases. If you don't kill them, they will eventually, indirectly kill you. Isn't survival a core priority for any species? They fight with teeth, we fight with poison and glue traps. Humans are stronger than mice, period.
OrnatosV 8 months ago
Telling them won't do a damn thing lol.
cowtalespk 8 months ago
Music from portal prelude???
glassjimbo2 8 months ago
@uinokitsune
Please tell me where to buy a human trap. I have some annoying neighbors.
Drojira 8 months ago 43
People saying "get a grip" or "who cares", its not THEIR fault they carry diseases. Nor is it their fault the environment WE create is a perfect place for them to breed and fester.Yes they need to be taken care of, but there is absolutely no sense in being cruel. What gives us the right to cause ANY creature to suffer? Oh because we're higher on the chain? We have no right to cause suffering. Its just because humans suck that they cause suffering globally. Use KILLER traps, not glue traps.
ForRainyDays 8 months ago 2
OMG.... Poor little animals. some people are just mean.
jaye128 8 months ago
Why doesn't PETA emphasize that glue traps are crappy at eliminating disease vectors (urine, feces, blood, etc...) and are therefore impractical if your primary concern is vermin spreading pathogens?
Because that might require them to reveal that comparatively humane snap traps are the best solution in terms of limiting disease, and they're unwilling to reduce animal suffering pragmatically by offering a solution that still kills.
blu3vibration 9 months ago
that is sad
SuperUnknown1998 9 months ago
I don't like glue traps (there are other, more humane ways of removing pests), but seriously... If we stopped going to all the stores and stopped buying all the products that PETA says we should, we'd have an incredibly limited number of options remaining, if not none at all.
roseminty 9 months ago
poor birds though...
suphomieg2 9 months ago
=O .....
hahahahahahahahah XD
runisunke 9 months ago
Lowes doesn't just sell these traps. Home Depot, Victorpest(dot)com ((though they do sell humane traps where the mouse is alive and also ultrasonic stuff to annoy all rodents alike to leave)). I was reading about kittens and other animals getting stuck on these, you need some kind of oil not vegetable to get them free. I don't want myself or animals to get stuck on these so I don't buy them, I buy the human traps instead and set the mice free, albeit AWAY from my garage.
unokitsune 9 months ago
if i don't use glue traps then rats will crawl around my house and die from eating trash.. then they will stink up the area they died in..
iHeartSanrio93 9 months ago
i hate you people who think the animals stuck in the trap is funny. and for the people who think they cant live without glue traps then think about how those animals WOULD OF LIVED if it wasn't for those traps. i agree to use have a heart traps. lastly the people who are posting comments about how we shont feel bad for the animals that get stuck. think about how HUMANS ARE THE VERMIN what the wild animals are "tearing up" was their home and WE DESTROYED IT they are just trying to adapt to it
tysoncat123 9 months ago
well i think is good that rats and mice get stuck BUT what about birds and squirrels and kittens? they do what they are suppose to do,I mean they take another pests out of your house and this is how you thank them? KILLING them. i cant go with the glue traps if my kitten gets stuck there or birds or even your pup paying with a glue trap. you know what GET ANOTHER TRAP. look for other traps like the ones that are in have-a-heart.
bchavarri 9 months ago
@bchavarri Why is it "good" ? The animals suffer on it. A lot. How is suffering good?
Smegoff84 9 months ago
am i the only one that thought seeing all these animals stuck in glue funny?
ojgjbnjijn 9 months ago
XD
SileoSomnus 9 months ago
i check mine daily, and release anything i catch, if its alive, and it normaly dies within ike an hr or 2 of when i cant it
wazup862 9 months ago
It's not the company's fault. It's the customer's fault. The way they use the trap. Rats/rodents are vermin. They eat your food, bite through everything, DESTROY PROPERTY. Why feel bad for the ones causing you destruction?
pinoyALLmotorEVOIXMR 10 months ago
not a kitten
lmblackman 10 months ago
oh no, not the birds :(
UltraTensho 10 months ago
THESE ARE GODS ANIMALS, WHAT HAS THIS WORLD COME TOO, NO ANIMAL DESERVES TO DIE, LET ALONE DIE IN A HORRIFIC WAY AS IN THESE TRAPS. STOP MAKING TRAPS FOR DEFENSELESS ANIMALS & CREATE MORE TRAPS TO CAPTURE CRIMINALS WHCIH IS YOUR REAL THREAT. ANIMALS WON'T STAB YOU IN THE BACK, ROB YOU, CAR JACK YOU, MURDER YOU, PEOLPLE WILL, NOT ANIMALS. IT'S AN OLD CONCIOUSNESS THAT ANIMALS HAVE TO DIE, LEARN TO PROTECT LIFE NOT DESTROY IT. ANIMALS ARE GOD'S GIFTS TO US, WHEN YOU HUT THEM, YOU HURT GOD.
mysteriousstranger24 10 months ago
@mysteriousstranger24 if you knew anything about god, wich obviously you dont. everything die's, he said you can eat animals (depending). have you read the bible? or know anything about god> atleast do some research befor you post something stupid like this.
stupify4life 10 months ago
@stupify4life yeah those animals with split hooves or something, chew on cuds, etc. Specific thing.
pinoyALLmotorEVOIXMR 10 months ago
@mysteriousstranger24 Animals murder thousands of people a year. Didn't you here of that chimp that ripped that lady's face off and ate her hands? That incident prompted me to create glue traps capable of capturing a 400 lb. guerilla, and spreading them across the woods behind my house.
tmoefunk 10 months ago
thats why when they do fall in them i kill them as fast as possible to put it out of its misery. (only rodent wise)
JRLOC488 10 months ago