Douglas Murray: Confronting Jihad in London

[capturedpilot]

Here's a warning: the UK is deadlined to become an Islamic state by 2030. That is a done deal, organised and financed by Saudi.

You want evidence? Look around. See the mosques, see hijab, see the Sharia courts, see Halal in the school canteens, see all the shops and businesses owned and staffed by Muslims; see all those reports (never-ending) of rape-jihad. How much motherfucking evidence do you fucking morons need before you fucking wake up?

2030

[pupRu33]

you've provided no evidence that it was Saudi Arabia doing it. You got any proof of that? Well, we'll see. It won't become an Islamic state because have you seen other parts of Britain? In Oswestry, you'd get the shit kicked out of you if your brown. maybe you should look out of your asian "ends" and look at the bigger picture, dick.

[capturedpilot]

@pupRu33 I return you to the theme of my observation: see. Look around and see. London, Manchester, Leeds, every town and city in the UK. Mosques, Hijab, Halal, Sharia courts.

For example, Nottingham will be minority white within 10 years. Most of the majority will be Muslim. 20% of the UK under-20s population is Muslim. 30% of the overall population are non-white, mostly Muslim.

Don't waste your time with further insults. It's just boring.

[pupRu33]

1) Sharia courts are being closed up and down the country

2) People in oswestry don't know what a Muslim is. So when you say "every town and city", just not true.

3) Can you actually provide ANY EVIDENCE IT WAS SAUDI ARABIA?!?!?!?!

PS: Muslims against Crusades was closed two days ago...

[capturedpilot]

@pupRu33 There are 14 Sharia courts officially approved by the UK government. These courts have the same legal status (though not the same scope) as Magistrates' Courts. There are hundreds of unofficial Sharia Courts extant. There are Sharia zones in every major city in the UK. The UK police seek permission from mosques before taking action in such zones. Also, the Muslim Brotherhood 'advise' MI5 and all UK Police Services.

MAG will reform under a new name. The 'close-down' was merely PR.

[pupRu33]

1) answer the question about Saudi Arabia being befind the Islam growth in the UK.

2) I've seen the Sharia Zones articles, and there are a few things wrong with your claim: 1) that's not true, they don;t seek permission, the police, local council and volunteers take down the stickers. They have no right to impose Sharia like that, so these "zones" don't exist, so thay don't "seek permission" either. and give me proof the muslim brotherhood "advises" MI% and police services...

[capturedpilot]

@pupRu33 In this case, as is always the case with Islam, might is right.

Since 7-7, the British Government have looked to the Muslim Brotherhood to advise them on Islamic matters. The Muslim Brotherhood are dedicated to global Islamic conquest. This conquest is being done demographically, financially, and culturally. Like I said, before: look around at the mosques, etc.

[pupRu33]

@capturedpilot But what possible information could the Muslim Brotherhood possibly have that MI5 don't? Are you seriously sugesting that one of the world's best intelligence services are going to take advice from an organisation banned from quite a few countries? On islamic matters? I'm sure the British Government will go to a more reliable source than an organisation that's goals are: Jihad, establishing a global caliphate and anti-masonry

[capturedpilot]

@pupRu33 It's not a matter of information; it's a matter of selling hope. The UK government are terrified of a 7-7 repeat. The MB have promised to control the 'extremist' Muslims. The UK government imagine they have allied themselves with 'reasonable' Muslims. Actually, all Muslims are pledged to Jihad; that's the whole point of Islam.

Also, MI5 have never been that bright. Ditto, the British government.

What I said is a fact. It's not logical, I agree; but factual, certainly.

[pupRu33]

All muslims are pledged to Jihad is obsurd. So the lovely old muslim man across the road will happily kill me? Your talking rubbish, you seem to think that all muslims have the same ideology as Osama Bin Laden. But what can't MI5 find out that a mere organisation benned in some countries can? No-one wants a 7-7 repeat, obviously. You say you've talked fact, but you've also talked a load of absolute bollocks at the same time!!!!

[capturedpilot]

@pupRu33 Yeah, that lovely old Muslim man across the road would kill you, if ordered to by his mosque. Find out what 'taqiyya' means.

Essentially, Islam is cleverer than people like you.

[pupRu33]

You also said that the Muslim Brotherhood advises MI5. So the EDL advise Saudi Arabia?! Same level of stupidity. You also said that Saudi Arabia was controlling a Muslim takeover of Britain, and you are yet to supply me with any evidence at all. MB promised to oontrol the extremist muslims? So if there's another 7/7, the MB will be to blame for not doing their job properly!!!

[capturedpilot]

@pupRu33 Islam is outsmarting the West, especially the UK. Ex-members of the Muslim Brotherhood have warned us about push-Jihad and Taqiyya. Gadaffi actually warned us, too. He said that Islam did not need to conquer the West {because the takeover would be cultural and demographic}.

The MB are still advising MI5. Saudi is still financing the Islamification of the UK. Your not accepting it will not make it unhappen. Your ethnocentricity undermines your judgment.

Evidence? Look around.

[pupRu33]

Once again, your making claims without A-N-Y evidence!! Prove Saudi is funding the Islamification of Europe! Prove the MB is advising MI5! Until you can do that, you talking bollocks, sorry mate

[capturedpilot]

@pupRu33 Okay, I will send you the proof. It's top of my list.

[pupRu33]

@capturedpilot About bloody time!

[capturedpilot]

@pupRu33 Well, I have been busy. However, the stuff will be with you by the end of the week. Word of honour.

[capturedpilot]

@pupRu33 By the way, MAC (or MAG) have already reformed under a different name.

[pupRu33]

Actually, this is the same man who sacked his window cleaner because the cleaner said "If you hired a non-muslim window cleaner, they would charge you double that." Not every Muslims thinks like OBL

[jjk9999]

I always thought chowderhead was just a loudmouth. I had no idea he has a direct connection with 1/7 of the terrorists in prison in Britain.

And that he set up this violent confrontation casts him in an entirely different and far more sinister light.

[zionhearted]

choudary a dirty kharijite.

[krissyeh]

muslims, just like snakes the only good one is a dead one.

[DuckingNDiving]

the host is an inferring interrupting asshole

[lic2kil007]

There is a point to Sharia but do we really want to take that far a step back? NO.

[DreamFreedom1]

Christians and atheists should stop bashing one another in the comments. That's exactly what muslims hope for; conquering Western countries with Sharia Law while we don't notice as we argue. Even if you don't exactly like everything that a Christian says as an atheist or the other way round you still have so much more in common than a totalitarian muslim mindset. Western values are both influenced by JudeoChristianity and Western enlightenment.

[MrPAKISTANArmy]

I found this guy a typical pigeon hole racist which talk like the typical britishers when they were taking over India, south africa, australia, china.

Now his openion clearly shows his narrow mind and racist approach.

Ithink this guy should tell old europians to leave America,African Nations, Australia and come back to there country so that they could save there assess. Specially this Pig.

[elanticulto]

Paki Army

You just cut and paste the same massage on every post. You are a frustrated and lost Paki, go and play with 9 year old girls.

[amaqula]

Prepare for a CATHOLIC STATE - or prepare for your burka!

Secular western governments are only against Islamic terrorism - they are not against peaceful demogrpahic takeover by Islam! In fact they opened the gates for Islam to repalce their ageing populations! Only a Catholic State will resist!

[elanticulto]

what a load of shite.... Catholicism is long gone as a power house. The true power belongs to the free thinkers who are not tied to any prehistoric religion like the evil of Islam.

[amaqula]

Sorry - you are living in a dream world! Islam is taking the ground from under your atheist noses - and you don't even realise! Free thinking is useless - true thinking is what is needed!! And atheists don't do that! Catholics are the founders and true defenders of Western civilisation - the greates civilisation on earth - and we will be again! Atheist civilisation have never endured - and won't now either! No loss!

CATHOLIC STATE forever - cos only the good survive!!

[metsapeikkoo]

@amaqula

...Uhm, excuse me sir(or ma'am), but isn't your logic... Slightly flawed?

If you didn't have "free thinking"-mind/freedom of thinking, you wouldn't be allowed to believe in god or flying spaghetti-monster or whatever you want to believe.

And besides, if "atheist" are losing "ground", wouldn't that mean that you "christian" folk are losing ground as well?

[metsapeikkoo]

@amaqula

Also, I would argue that ancient Greeks and Romans were the founders of "western civilisation", they weren't christians now were they? Nope, they weren't. (Okay, Romans converted to christianity about at the same time their empire went to shit.)

And I think its worth of mentioning that there is and has been atheist nations/civilisations that are and have endured.

But of course you just will ignore everything I have written and start rambling on about "god" that you have no proof of.

[amaqula]

No -true thinking is more important and fundamental! Eventually a society has to choose which beliefs to base itself on- and if these are false - you will very quickly come unstuck! Which is what is happening to the west! It is unravelling cos the new beliefs and assumptions that underpin it are false - and evil! Christians are losing in so far as they are secular - and they are very secular! But it will be true Catholics to the rescue -or it will be Islamisation!

CATHOLIC STATE forever!

[metsapeikkoo]

You catholics are no better than the islamist supporters are. Only difference is that you people have finally stopped "spreading" your believes with swords. (Best idea ever: "Hey lets kill civilians because they have different believes than we have WOHOO!")

The reason why "islam" is spreading in Europe is because of that "multiculturalism"-crap the governments are trying to achieve for no good reason particular. Monoculturalism for the win.

(Voi hyvä helvetti mikä vatipää tä yks on.)

[amaqula]

Can you name an atheist civilisation that has endured! No - cos endurance takes discipline morality and true thinking! Atheists reject religion precisely on these grounds! So they haven't got what it takes to endure! And the unique and defining characteristic of Western Civilisation was the Incarnation ie Christ was God Himself! Today that has been disgarded - so the West is disippating and falling to Islam!

CATHOLIC STATE -foundational state of the west - forever! Only the good survive

[metsapeikkoo]

Well, actually I can.

Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Russia, Japan, China and dozens of other countries that can be counted as "atheist" are doing pretty well as a matter of fact.

And why the hell would it take discipline to believe the first thing you are told? Doesn't it take more discipline to do some research and find about things by yourself than to accept a irrational answer someone gives to you?

The reason why western civilisation became so great was because of curiosity and doubt.

[amaqula]

These nations were part of Christendom when it existed! Today they are merely feeding off the momentum of their Christian past - but unable to continue or sustain that momentum! Japan and China had their respective religious an tradional moral systems similar to Christian ones - which aided in the survival of cultures! Without these they are both facing ever declining birhtrates! That leads to extinction! Wow! Atheists are not disciplined - they prefer to wallow!

CATHOLIC STATE forever!

[metsapeikkoo]

Oh.. Vikings did pretty damn well even though they weren't christians. Quite funny isn't it?

And what about Mongols?

Or Romans?

Or Creeks when Alexander the Great was around?

What about Egyptians? They didn't really believe in christian god now did they?

[amaqula]

Nobody did as well as the Christians - and in a relatively short time period too! They alone bestowed modernity on the world! Everyone had the same chance - but only the Christians succeeded where everyone else failed! Islam is spreading cos atheists are too lazy and immoral to have large strong families - the backbone of society - so Islam must fill the population gap!

CATHOLIC STATE - foundational state of the west - forever!

[metsapeikkoo]

Oh the irony.

Maybe most of the atheist are working their asses off and paying taxes so that you could whine in the internet . And besides, maybe the educated atheist have realised that there is already too much population on this damn planet.

And besides, Christians almost fucked up the whole europe. Remember the european dark ages? Yeah, thanks a lot for hindering technological advancements in Europe for few hundred years with your "jacking off to god" sessions.

[metsapeikkoo]

Also it definately should be mentioned that if christians didn't understand something, they instinctively feared it. And if they feared it they destroyed it. And that's what pretty much what happened to science in Europe for mostly.

Islam is pretty much going through the same phase as the christianity went back in the "dark ages".

[amaqula]

If your illogical theory was right - then science would have flourished far away from Christians and Christianity! It didn't! It flourished in Christendom ONLY! Sorry! Atheists only work for themselves - to feather their own little nest!  They also only bear enough children to keep themselves happy - which isn't enough! Result - demographic wipeout!! Supernatural selection I guess you call it!

Beautiful CATHOLIC STATE forever - cos only the good survive!

[metsapeikkoo]

...Dude. Science is nowadays flourishing far away from "christians" and "christianity". Or pretty much any other "religion".

Bloody ironically, you wouldn't even be able to whine in here if it wasn't for atheist. Your internet wouldn't even exist if it wasn't for scientist who most likely were atheist.

Hell, humans wouldn't have even made it to the space if they were satisfied with the answers they got from your fantasy book.

[metsapeikkoo]

And how the hell do you even know how individual atheist behave? Oh. You don't. That wasn't surprising.

Lets take Africa for example. Religions are in very strong position, and people there are breeding like rabbits.

Result:

They are lagging behind everyone due to fact that they are not able to take care of their children while they are just being able take care of themselves.

Its better to produce one or two well fed, well educated citizens than to produce ten children that are "useless"

[amaqula]

Scienctists are merely feeding off Christain science - having failed to make any new independant breakthroughs since the early 70's (BBC Radio 4)! They are still consolidating old Christian science having nothing new to develop! The maths for the computer were established a long time ago - population growth gave us the necessity for it! As for space science - Buzz Aldrin scolded the US gov for failing to develop the technology saying it had remained the same since he landed on the moon!

Oo

[metsapeikkoo]

Do you actually live in a cardboard box? There is no "christian" science.

Oh right, ofcourse.

International Space Station didn't happen.

Hubble didn't happen.

And literally huge amount of other scientific achievements didn't happen.

You really are un-educated and ignorant idiot that is still believing in fairy tales aren't you? I'm actually starting to get bored of talking to some catholic retard who can't be bothered to pull his head out from his ass and open his eyes.

[metsapeikkoo]

@amaqula

So you believe that "christianity" spread to the northern europe with just happy thoughts?

I do find that as a quite amusing thought considering that Norse/Norsemen/Vikings raided christian churches in England, killed and raped christians and sometimes took them as slaves.

[cleverfeller]

@metsapeikkoo

Christianity came to northern Europe from northern Europe. It began in Britain from Columba. An Irish Gaelic speaker who spread Christianity to the rest of the island before the Roman ivansions. So Christianity was spread peacefully to my islands. You should stop talking about history in Britain because you know nothing about it.

[cleverfeller]

@metsapeikkoo

Viking attacks on Christians doesn't mean that Christianity came to England by violence does it. What a silly statement. Vikings weren't Christians in the beginning. The original Christians in Britain were Celtic. It didn't come from Rome until later. The Roman church didn't want a rival and so they undermined the original celtic church. Christianity didn't spread in Europe with armies but with missionaries.

[amaqula]

I live among atheist society - and I'm not impressed! Africa will blossom and develop (the Catholic part) when the West has been laid to ruin and is part of the stagnant Islamic world! That's punishment for rejecting Christianity which gave you all! Selfcentered atheists prefer only 2 or less children - but markets the economy and governments etc prefer more! They are the engine that drive progress and development!

CATHOLIC STATE forever - cos only the good survie!

[metsapeikkoo]

They won't blossom and develop as long as we are feeding them. They don't NEED to blossom and develop since they can just wait until someone brings them food.

What christians gave to my country;

First christians came to my country and killed about 40% of the population for no good reason particular.

Then they burned some villages and destroyed some sacred sites that would have had cultural value in the future.

And nowadays they are just stealing money from the citizens of this country.

[amaqula]

China actually has a better approach to Africa than the West! Christians kiling 40% of your people - don't lie - especially since today you kill your own unborn children! Shame! And if you had remained pagan - you would still be living in mud huts! You owe everything in your cushy life to Christianity! Show some appreciation please!! Those advances are merely consolidations of Christian science! No new independant breakthroughs have been made since the early 70's

CATHOLIC STATE forever!

[metsapeikkoo]

Oh. You say you are a "christian" and you don't know about the crusades christians made all around europe?

You are a christian and you have not studied history at all?

Nope, I'm not ashamed of myself at all. I am proud. I am proud that I have a possibility to give a possible child the most optional growth environment instead of torturing it with starvation, cold, ignorance and stupidity.

And I owe nothing to you filthy pedophiles and you have done nothing to deserve my appreciation.

[amaqula]

Christians only Crusaded in the Middle East! You don't know history - only prejudice! People who support abortion are the most shameful and disgusting in history! It is abominable that they can do such a thing to their greatest treasure - their children! Never mind - punishment is coming!!

Only a CATHOLIC STATE - foundational state of the west - will resist your demogrpahic wipeout and Islamisation by idiot secularism! Prepare for a Catholic State - or prepare for your burka!

[cleverfeller]

@amaqula

Stop ranting about Catholics. You have lost so much credibility with the Nazi connection, the child abuse connection and the cover up of both. Not to mention the Ustasha connection in the Balkans. We don't need to fight religious fascists with another form of religious fascism. We stop them on grounds of their incompatability with human rights and freedom. Islam is fundamentally bigotted, divisive and oppressive. It is woven into the fabric of the dogma. It is islamofascism

[amaqula]

@cleverfeller

Oh yeah - that's sure doing a good job of stopping Islamisation isn't it. Every year Islam grows and secularists shrink - cos they don't have so many children. Secularism is more evil than Islam - and is baseless. They cry over their own human rights - while murdering their unborn children. How evil - and illogical. No people like that can survive and don't deserve to either. Your goose is cooked. Make mine a CATHOLIC STATE please - enough of this evil.

[cleverfeller]

@amaqula

Oh shut your stupid fucking papish gob. The jews don't have billions of people on the planet do they? I don't see them shitting their pants about a few dopey robots who can only recite some dead text from 1600 years ago.

Are you scared little catholic boy? Eh? Well go and grow a pair you cunt-shy freak bummer boy.

Secularists are more trustworthy than any paedo-papish-perver-protector. Now fuck off. The UK is last of all a catholic country. I can't fucking stand you two faced rats.

[amaqula]

@cleverfeller

LOL!!!

[cleverfeller]

@amaqula

Allah o akbar hahahahahaha you and the muslims are two ends of the same shitty stick.

[amaqula]

@cleverfeller

Be sure to welcome the Pope when he comes to the UK. Remember he is your true friend - not your slimey secular politicians. Who wants what is best for you?! Answer that truthfully! CATHOLIC STATE for me thanks.

[cleverfeller]

@amaqula

Who wants the best for me? I do. The pope won't get his dirty hands on any of my kids.

[123backinyerface]

@cleverfeller amaqula is an outspoken proponent "for" pedophilia, don't give the troll the time of day. Hasn't got the first clue about anything, has so many youtube accounts which he/she uses to agree with his/her own posts, favorites his/her own videos, basically amaqula is a pathetic indoctrinated person.

[madyanderson]

I am a muslim too, an educated one. . . I agree with this. Shariyah Law has to be conforming to the challenges of time. Odyssey of culture, and religion has to considered. In Islamic society, we are more prone to committing what you, amaqula, is accusing the secular world is of. In Malaysia, several muslim men rape women, in afghanistan its the same, worse, many indulge in illicit affairs coz of too much restriction resulting in abortions. its even worse in our society, the muslim society AsWW.

[BoredToDistraction]

@madyanderson um. I am aware of the moral confusion affecting some muslim minds, but surely, you don't REALLY mean that illicit affairs are worse than RAPE, do you?!

[Anon12356]

@madyanderson

If you're religious, then you got the wrong kind of education (religious indoctrination).

[FreeeeS]

@madyanderson religion is green light to violence hatred and bigotry you know it is

[saamohod]

@madyanderson How can an affair be "illicit" if it doesn't hurt either side of the affair?

[cleverfeller]

@amaqula

Take your catholic state and shove it up your catholic arse. I'd rather not have either of you. And the catholics have a long tradition of colluding with muslims against other Christians. Hitler had islamic divisions the Croat catholics colluded with islamists against Orthodox Christians. The Catholics abused children and committed genocide in South America. The catholic church is despised for the rotten institution it is. Not long ago your pope was kissing the koran. Did you miss it?

[metsapeikkoo]

Also, funny fact:

Viking, Persian, Chinese, Roman, Egyptian and Greek empires WERE ALL PAGAN FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW. Your logic is bit flawed again?

You are a freaking lunatic and so far you have not been able to show me any proof whatsoever about anything you have said so far.

Its totally pointless to talk to you since you are so damn close minded, brainwashed, uneducated and ignorant... thing.

[newhighbury]

i dnt knw y i listened to these 2 muppets. the radio presenter sounds like he wants 2 get into the pants of d murray.

They both sound gay!!

[mts1977]

@newhighbury

What an intelligent remark. Moron.

[237KMT]

@newhighbury

And you're and idiot!!

[view587]

@newhighbury lol!

[twobellz]

To discover that Nu Labour worked in secret to open the floodgates in order to dismantle existing communities and our way of life for some suspect ideological 'dream' is astonishing and frightening.

No wonder their first order of business was to ban punishment for the Act of Treason.

[CircusCasablanca]

BEKÆMP NAZIPIA OG DANSK FOLKEPARTI!

[antitheist59]

Yes when the whole converts to Islam, there will be peace.

[237KMT]

I hate Anjem Choudary.

[Belegaer]

Frank Gaffney needs some lessons on how to host a radio programme.

[bernarnack]

NO Islam = NO moslem

NO moslem = NO sharia

NO sharia = NO problem

[slipmatjt22]

i really despair at the state of the uk sometimes, its not an exaggeration to say that it breaks my heart when i hear this and similar story's. the worst thing is that the establishment seems determined to let what little british culture we have left just vanish in the name of multiculturalism.

[mosquewatcher]

sharia law has no place in the UK or America. Nor do any people that believe it should.

[IhateLinda1]

Yes, for muslims - and for those who submit to islamic control as dhimmis :-)

We would really love to see some REAL signs of that alleged "peace" some time soon.

[ahmedeox]

@mosquewatcher Sharia has no place in the world. Nor do the people that believe it.