What Can DNA Really Tell Us About Race?

[Gentilejedi]

Excellent presentation.

[JamesEzSecretChannel]

very interesting lecture, I'm still not sure what the conclusion is though,

are DNA tests claiming to identify race reliable?

[greycloud24]

the speaker assumes that the dna tests were not done on people who could already trace their linage. we have gained vast sums of dna data of non-nomadic natives from around the world. this is how we know humans originated in east africa. you can further break down dna groups into northern european, southern european, north african, east african, south african, north american, south american, austrailian. basically any major terrain separation that would prevent nomadic ancestors for a while.

[greycloud24]

@greycloud24 the construct of "race" may be a social construct. but at the same time you do inherit genes from your ancestors. if your ancestors came from one area than you are very likely to have inherited different genes than if they had come from a different area. we like to think of this as conforming to race, but really race conforms to evolution and evolution acts on genes. there very much is a genetic difference in race, we are just thinking about it in the wrong way.

[Paxmax]

Nothing in science is 100%, still the DNA sampling technique works pretty good, but is no replacement everything else.

Just as I expected.

I equal Mr. Duster's best effort to discredit DNA and ethnicity to a creationist handing over marine life samples for carbon dating, just to scream "CARBON DATING DOESN'T WORK!". It works fine, just know the pitfalls and llimits. Geez.

[MissLoveTantei91]

No use caring what racists think. They're just sad people with low self-esteem desperate to feel pride in something, and so they cling to their skin and hair appearence as their hope in feeling any self-worth. Especially in this changing world where where non-whites are rising in power. It's similar to insecue girls who put down other girls for their looks above all else. If being a "nigger" or a "chink" is the only way you can insult someone, then frankly, you have nothing on them at all.

[SilverIcetail]

Thumbs up if ZOMGitsCriss brought you here and you're freaking tired of thumbs up-posts...

[Otokogoroshi]

God I could NOT WAIT for that guy who did the introduction to leave! *LOUD BREATH. SMACK!* not a very good habit for a public speaker.

[TemporalOnline]

Thumbs up if ZOMGitsCriss brought you here and you are watching and will watch it till the end!

[mikesheen741]

Thumbs up if ZOMGitsCriss brought you here and you couldn't be bothered to watch this video as it is too long.

[PurpleGhost]

@mikesheen741 - How very lazy of you.

[Raybanmonster]

Clever people learn to overcome the easy shallow lure of subjugating ones feelings to something as shallow as the way people look.

[diva123abc]

This why scientist must not be trusted. Everyone has an agenda.

[fightforfair]

DNA Keep losing information, Evolution won't create new information LOL

Evolution need to done by Man not change LOL

Spider-Man Versus Iron-Man

[omegapoint777]

SCIENCE IS RACIST HERPDERP.

[Raybanmonster]

What Can DNA Really Tell Us About Race?

As a biochemistry graduate let me tell you this... not an awful lot at all because race is not even a scietific classification for human beings it is a social construct only based upon largely visual cues but primarily shade of skin. As such it is a waste of time to debate and discuss, but racist and poorly educated people will use it to subjugate and annex people unfairly and that behaviour leads to insurgency and anti fascist group uprisings.

[nec644]

@Raybanmonster Biochemistry graduate or not, you shouldnt deny others the right to find out their roots just because your not interested. Most psychologists agree on that everybody cant unite as a group. If I identify myself with black/african people and have chosen this group, I dont see why I cant find out more about our belongings. Preventing frictions between the groups that form should be the interest, not preventing groups themselves (which is impossible).

[Raybanmonster]

@nec644

I have never denied others the right to discover their roots

All people can join together in groups if there is will or desire.

Your point is blunt to me.. just dont understand why you say these things to me

[nec644]

@Raybanmonster race has been scientificaly classified by many anthropologists. in brazil you can get the percentage of say negroid and eurasian if you want, which many people do. the solution is to stop poverty and uneducation which you mention. not the research about our heritage..

[Raybanmonster]

@nec644

Can you not see that Genetics really does usurp anthropology for accuraCY IN THIS REGARD?

and no you cannot tell the amount of "negroid", what an insult and a racist lie, I cant believe how backward some of you white trash can be, and what is more you are so deluded you are arguing till you are blue in the face when the problem lies with your grasp of the issues and your lack of specifics regarding the science. This makes u draw false conclusions & u look so stupid and racist.

[omegapoint777]

@Raybanmonster

You are a fucking disgrace to science. Race is a proven scientific FACT.

[Raybanmonster]

@omegapoint777

Shouting louder about nonsense does not make it right.

Race is not a scientific taxonomic subclass last time I checked.if it was we would regard redheads as a subclass and Im afraid thats not how it works unless of course you know something about the taxanomic protocols that would turn all that on its head perhaps? lol no, didnt think so

[omegapoint777]

@Raybanmonster

Lying enough times doesn't change the truth. You can determine someone's race from a fucking blood test. End of debate.

[Raybanmonster]

@omegapoint777

If you believe yourself so educated and right, please simply tell me the genetic markers that would guarantee the race of a hu,man being you stupid thick fuck. lolol EPIC FAIL

[Raybanmonster]

@omegapoint777

and No you can not tell the race of someone from a blood test because thier is no definition for RACE you dumbass. As such any test would only hint at any possible ethnicity, it would not guarantee it you bozo

[nec644]

@Raybanmonster you "white trash"?? im black n live in hackney mate :) do your reading on haploid and other dna groups. there was a stanford study quite recently. the percentages only tells you a bit more about your roots, nothing about human qualities. youre too blinded mate. of course its not 100% acurate, but geting closer. i dont know too much about the brazilian method, but they pull it off. there is a definition of race, kaukasoids, negroids (doesnt come from the n word) with sub races etc

[Raybanmonster]

@nec644

My degree in Biochemistry means unlike you sir, I do not need to reference anything so far on what you have said.

Race is a social construct, its use in science is a red herring and should alert you that someone is attempting to incorrectly position an argument.

[nec644]

@Raybanmonster still the doctrine is used whenever animals show significant differences. we can go on and on about how it is used by racist and not right etc. but when an animal shows different colours, physical features and have lived isolated for a sufficient time,its enough to name a race

sure,race is something that is man made n sometimes made up for the wrong contruction. but ask yourself, what names arent made up by man?races exist.its in the un convention.please stop studyin, its a waste

[Vikingwarrioroftoday]

@Raybanmonster

Hey Bozo, your NOT going to win an arguement with me so don't try it ; You assholes make me sick with your agenda to mongrelize the white AND black races so you (the JEW) can take over and they can be better mind control slaves for you; more useful then the average black but just dumb enough for you to control; YOU CAN tell the difference of a person's race by skeleton!!; don't say no; because I have the proof jerk!!; my friend is anthropolgist; want to go there?; don't think.

[Raybanmonster]

@Vikingwarrioroftoday

pHWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA

pLEASE GO HOME AND RETHINK THE VALUES IN YOUR LIFE. tHERE IS NO CONSPIRACY, JUST INDIVIDUALS GETTING ON WITH THEIR LIVES. you SOUND COMPLETELY RIDICULOUS

[Vikingwarrioroftoday]

@Raybanmonster

There is a conspiracy and you know it; I see anti white propaganda everyday and we just are not going to take it anymore; I am telling you the truth, we are fed up and groups are forming all over America, Norway, Germany, and even Israel believe it or not!!!!; a real Jew is a white person, the ones the Nazi's hated were the Talmud reading, media control freaks that are Turkish/ Mongolian; but he was killing all of them which was wrong!

[Raybanmonster]

@Vikingwarrioroftoday

No there is no conspiracy u jackass, its just a white right wing nonsensical belief perpetuated by ignorant people looking 4 an excuse 2 blame their failure & vent in a direction that removes blame and finger pointing at self and a lack of progress in what already is a society which leans heavily toward you (white) and less so toward black and Jewish. Let me ask you what success have you managed so far in your life huh? ohh I see, nada, but here u r blaming jews n blacks

[Vikingwarrioroftoday]

@Raybanmonster

First of all your sentence structure is appalling; your the jackass, jackass!!!

You don't even know me or even who I am, so assuming that I am a loser is rather moronic on your part.

But then again I now your probably a nigger so that explains a lot; you know what happens when you assume?? you make an ass out of you and me!!; Affirmative action has costed many many white people all kinds of jobs over the course of many years so the policy has benefited blacks.

[Raybanmonster]

@Vikingwarrioroftoday

lolol I dont think so, My English is better than yours stupid boy. lol

and I do not care who you are, I dont come about here trying to understand you as a person, although I am highly entertained by your ridiculous views that wouldnt find 10 seconds in any campus of learning.

Let me be frank, the only Nigger here is a white one you jub jub jigaboo fancy tart, pull your skirt down.

Afirmative action never completed a single task in a job, & ONLY YOU lost your Havard place

[Vikingwarrioroftoday]

@Raybanmonster

So you think your English is better then mine?; it's Affirmative Action, not Afimative Nigger!!; second asshole, the sentence doesn't make any sense. a person or mechanism can only complete a task not a word like your misspelled Affirmative action; thirdly " I don't come about here" makes no logical sense.

Your living proof that Darwin was right; your the Jig not me BOY!; I am highly entertained by a Nigger trying to act like a human being; but you are what you are; BOY!

[Raybanmonster]

@Vikingwarrioroftoday

dude ,please get an education and some culture, travel and stop blaming black people for your problems.

[Vikingwarrioroftoday]

@Raybanmonster All people who are brainwashed by the system( Nigger loving) say the same crap over and over and over and it has gotten very very old!!; Ignorant, dumb, racist and whatever. Man you are the one who needs to wake up; Education, culture, and most of the built up civilized world was created by NON Negros; but anyway what gives you people the impression that all people who dislike blacks/ Negroids are uneducated???; I know students with Master's Degrees who hate NIggers!!!!.

[Raybanmonster]

@Vikingwarrioroftoday

Phwahahahhaaaaaaa ignorant cretin, No black person stole your OXBRIDGE place, YOU must learn that you lost that by yourself.

[BlueHerself]

I had to stop watching this, couldn't stand the loud saliva swallowing.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

Nevertheless, thank you professor Duster, for that point you made at the end as to how easily data sets can be manipulated. You have no idea, but, you made my day. His point is solid; a computer program needs to be told what to do and based on what its told, those are the results it will yield. Certainly explains why obviously nordic blondes are coming back "ancient middle eastern." I need to point out that in courts of law DNA is not accepted as evidence unless supervised.

[yunaas101]

@pillsburydoughboy47 excellent so what did you turned out to be did dna dissapointed you are you been told that you are not semetic you are hamitic

[pillsburydoughboy47]

I'm about as Hamitic as Vladimir Putin you piece of shit, and about as European as General Mobutu.

without supervision from the proper authorities, DNA tests are worthless.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

Dr. Spencer Wells himself said that what makes one person "black" and another "asian" is only like, around .01% of the markers in their DNA structure, that is why the science of it could only be conducted in recent years because both the electron microscopes necessary, as well as the computers, were not powerful enough until recent years.

[supruzr]

Electron microscopes aren't used in DNA sequencing. You should consider not talking out of your ass.

[pillsburydoughboy47]

huh?

ah.... I find that a LITTLE disturbing, given the exactness it would demand...

[yak6ex]

@supruzr

Which company should I go to to get this test done

[mimih23]

I'm sorry.....but the lipsmacking (by the host) in unbearable........please visit a ToastMasters session please.....

[yunaas101]

@mimih23 i agree with you is disgustingly disturbing

[TheMidnightBell07]

Hey, it's sad that people think that hair texture, skin color, physical characteristics and stereotypes make up a person. There was a movie that jokingly played with the theory genetics verses enviroment. (Trading Places) starring Dan Akroyd and Eddie Murphy. What the movie proved in a backhanded ssarcastic way is that people thrive where there is benefit. That's why the arguement that white people are privilledge is both unfair and untrue. There are white people that poor and get mistreated.

[richbullva]

that doesn't mean white privelidge does not exist it is vry real check out time wise on youtube

[TheMidnightBell07]

Hey, it comes in all colors. Take this for an example: When Ted Danson did blackface as a joke people go really upset but when the Marlon Wayans and his brother did white girls hardly anything was said. That's a form of privilege. It's not fair and it's not for everyone but it's there.

[richbullva]

first of all I don't know anyone who was offended by Ted Danson,I wasn;t alot of times it seems the media speaks for blacks but it is still different inthat there is no history of blacks going in whitface mocking whites in a way that made them inferior and that was accepted as a form of entertainment by the masses there is no symmetry all i am sayin is blacks need to stop thinking they should feel any guilt without ignoring what happened

[TheMidnightBell07]

Clowns are circus performers (just saying that so no one would put another connotation on it. There are plenty of people that dress in white face but thats always gone along with performing in the circus.

[TheMidnightBell07]

Hey,(that's my way of saying hi and hello) I made a comment once that when Ted Danson did it that people were mad but when Jack Nicolson did it people weren't and someone said I was wrong; in fact the person stated that Jack couldn't go to Lakers games for a while because some people were so mad his life was being threatened.Watermelon Man and White Girls are movies where black people actually changed their whole body to look white. No not white face because we associate white faces with clowns.

[richbullva]

you have to see that the issue of black face is stemmed in minstrils featuring exaggerated depictions of blacks they were meant to mock

[TheMidnightBell07]

Hey, yes in some cases that's what it did but in other situations it was merely a device to authenticate the performance. They were mad at Al Jolson because he did it but not so much at other people and do you know why? He was almost convincing. His voice and features were very close to black people's but the black face made his performance look like a mockery. Blacks didn't like any depiction of negative stereotypes. Being a domestic ignorant speak or buffoonery. Today it makes money so be it.

[richbullva]

there was far more mockery in minstral shows than an attempt to authenticate a performance its just ridiculous that whites always say the its fine when blacks do it line as if there isn't history of extreme mockery in that form,it was done in the 80's movie Soul Man and i didn't raise an uproar

[TheMidnightBell07]

Hey, I'm not saying there isn't history but I'm gonna ask a question. How do you want to see black portrayed? People didn't like servants criminals, jokers, uneducated, over educated, performers (especially tap dancers) people that dresses funny, over weight people etc. I've heard all these people complained about so I want to know who you would like to see out there in showbiz land.

[jesuschrustpizza]

Fine. Then I'll hate certain people for their DNA.

[TheMidnightBell07]

Hey, I'm glad for your sake that people discriminate by skin color. Imagine if there was no such thing as color; then people would discriminate against just because you're stupid. How fair is that?

[jesuschrustpizza]

Genism is coming.

[7dontyouknow7]

That is true, "race" does not exist at the DNA level. Lineage does, but "race" and lineage are not synonymous.

[7dontyouknow7]

@10:30 .Scientific groups that developed the biological concept over the last century have now concluded that its use (of race) for characterizing human populations IS SO FLAWED that it is NO LONGER A SCIENTIFICALLY VALID CONCEPT. IN FACT, the statement makes clear that the biological concept of race as applied to humans has NO LEGITIMATE PLACE IN BIOLOGICAL SCIENCE." (Katz 1995:4,5)

[Raybanmonster]

internalcreampie

well, let me put it this way, with a nickname like yours I never expected common sense or strong reasoning skills, so Im not at all disappointed,

thanks

[Raybanmonster]

Most data suggest that between 43.8 and 49.3 percent of all African immigrants in the United States hold a college diploma (Nisbett, 2002; Charles, 2007; U.S. Census, 2000). This is slightly more than the percentage of Asian immigrants to the U.S., substantially greater than the percentage of European immigrants, nearly DOUBLE that of native-born white Americans, nearly four times the rate of native-born African Americans,(Williams, 2005; Nisbett, 2002; U.S. Census, 2000. TRUTH HURTS

[25MEGALIVE]

ur all dumb

[Raybanmonster]

and what kind of adult contribution to the debate was that?

[centrum99]

But what do these diploma mean in the real world? In UK, Africans have 3rd highest % of people with college diplomas, yet their children are one of the worst pupils in UK schools.

[Raybanmonster]

The poorest people always comit the most crime get over it. Do you think people are fair when handing out jobs to some of those kids? So you think poverty is purely a black issue do you? Next youll be saying blacks never invented anything whilst forgetting ancient Egyptians are Africans not Europeans

[MrDemeterSinclair]

Now you should apologize to me that I wasted several minutes of my life by discussing with an imbecile.

[Raybanmonster]

i HAD TO DUMB THINGS DOWN IN ORDER FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND. yOUR NOT A GENETICIST ARE YOU? nOPE

[MrDemeterSinclair]

I am not a geneticist, but that doesn't matter, because luckily my parents had such a good DNA that I was not born as a simpleton.

[Raybanmonster]

i PUT IT TO YOU THAT INDEED YOUR RESPONSE SHOWS US YOU ARE A SIMPLETON

[internalcreampie]

Egyptians are arabs, not niggers; shithead

+

niggers are so hot they kill themselves and spend all their ressources doing it (thats probably why they are poor and have to revert to theft)

+

50% of niggers in africa have aids (truth hurts)

[Raybanmonster]

internalcreampie

Egyptians are arabs, not niggers; shithead YOU DIDNT THINK ABOUT THAT DID YOU ANCIENT EGYPTIANS WERE AS BLACK AS THE SUDANESE FROM NUBIA. THE ARAB INFLUX TOOK PLACE IN AD NOT BC (thats probably why they are poor and have to revert to theft) LIKE YOUR GOVERNMENT WHO TOOK YOU TO WAR ON A LIE AND NATO WITH IT RIGHT KILLING OVER 200k INNOCENT PEOPLE?

Black family in the white House controlling your shit. Truth hurts doesnt it?

[internalcreampie]

nice try dipshit, but im not aware of any war my country is involved in; so i see you enjoy talking about stuff you have no knowledge of

also, why dont you try putting PAGE NUMBERS to your references so we know you arent talking shit, again; cause you know, i read: "Raybanmonster is a nigger, and so is his whole family" (Nisbett, 2009) so its gotta be true!

>>also, when you quote something in newspapers or magazines it usually needs vol., no., and oh yeah... AN ARTICLE TITLE, idiot

[Raybanmonster]

Try the US census Bureau data available now for free online for your complete enjoyment and leisurely consideration.

[MANOTKO]

your wrong, arabs are asians and egyptians are africans, egyptians got mixed with alittle with arabs but that doesnt mean they are arabs, GO READ A BOOK!!

[Raybanmonster]

centrum99

In UK, Africans have 3rd highest % of people with college diplomas, yet their children are one of the worst pupils in UK schools.

No that is false, they are one of the strongest. You are confusing recent African immigrants with many indigenous born blacks from the West Indies. and even then, its not that bad in uk, just mainly black boys not doing so well idiot. We notice also white boys lagging in UK too, GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT

[centrum99]

"You are confusing recent African immigrants with many indigenous born blacks from the West Indies."

You have outdated info. But I won't quarrel with you anyway. You showed your IQ level in previous posts, especially in the essay about black achievments in Africa.

One saying has that you shouldn't talk with an idiot, because people wouldn't have to recognize, who of you is the idiot.

[Raybanmonster]

centrum99

"You have outdated info" then shut up and quote your sources idiot

"You showed your IQ level in previous posts, especially in the essay about black achievments in Africa. "?? I have two degrees including an honours in Biochemistry and an MBA, I doubt my IQ is any limiting factor . Please stop the hot gases & say something of value

[internalcreampie]

degrees from africa arent worth shit anyways

[emmalee57]

excellent, somehow I knew it wasn't what they told us... to different

[123bigr]

How do you define someone as being black or white? Is it skin color? What race is an Albino? The term race as America uses it is greatly flawed. If a so-called white person and a so-called black person had a child, what race is the child? I will await your response.

[internalcreampie]

Howard Winant PWNS Troy Duster!!!

[hedgepethus]

Race is a social construction not a biological genetic or scientific reality. There is more genetic variety within members of the same "race" then between two members of different "races".

[centrum99]

So what? How many white sprinters did you see in the 100 m finals at the Olympics in Peking? And how many black Nobel prize winners (in science) do you know?

[JeffreyEdward19]

Good point. Saved me some typing.

[123bigr]

centrum99-It amazes me that so-called intelligent people think that the color of your skin dictates your ability to learn or your ability to run.I guess your environment does not matter. If your view was correct there would be no intelligent blacks and no whites with the ability to run fast. Maybe I am missing something.

People that live in the mountains develop a different lung capacity. Does that make them a different race? The environment has created differences, but our base DNA is the same

[REALITY2point0]

"If your view was correct there would be no intelligent blacks and no whites with the ability to run fast" This statement is wholly incorrect. There may be statistical variations within all groups. Science however examines average distributions within groups and then compares them. Hence one can safely say that on average blacks make better sprinters than whites. In no way does this statement preclude the existence of ANY good white sprinters.

[123bigr]

Reality-You sound like those people that said so called blacks cannot play quarterback or that blacks could not be pilots because they lose focus. Where do the so-called white sprinters get their fast twitch muscle fiber from? How did they get it? Your comment does preclude the existence of good white sprinters. You need to read your comment again. You associate greater fast twitch muscle fiber with blacks eventhough there are whites with greater fast twitch muscle than some blacks.

[mensionwillruleASAP]

its true black people must have summin extra other than determination to win all those sprints, its very unlikely due to chance

[REALITY2point0]

blacks have on average a greater density of fast twitch muscle fibers

[123bigr]

Reality-Maybe U can answer my question. How do U know if someone is "black" or "white"? Do U use hair texture, nose shape, eye color, skin color, lip size, eye shape, hair color or any other physical difference that exist 2 classify humans as "black" or "white"? What if someone has a parent from each of your groups? What R they then? Do they get the fast twitch? U can say that there R more sprinters with melanin than without, but saying that those with melanin make better sprinters is retarded

[REALITY2point0]

Urrghhh. I could literally cry :-( "Your comment does preclude the existence of good white sprinters" lool How anyone with an IQ > room temperature could possibly infer this from what I said is just beyond me!? 123bigr, I want you to know that you honestly do have my deepest sympathy, it must be a terrible thing to attempt to make sense of this subject when you haven't grasped the fundamentals of genetic inheritance, phenotypical traits or even the simple concept of mathematical averaging !?

[123bigr]

Reality- Thanks for your sympathy. I apologize for my IQ not meeting your standards. When are U going to address the questions I asked? Again, how did the white sprinters get the fast twitch muscle fiber? I grasp averaging ,random sampling and any other tool used to generalize us as humans. Those things can be manipulated to show what you want. How about judging someone based on what they do and not some average? You are the smartest stupid person I have come across. Did genetics cause that?

[zemaitis2]

people in the future will be looking at opinions like yours and smile. How dumb can you be to ask"how can you tell who's white or black?" ..I mean are you serious?

[123bigr]

zema-I will take being dumb, but can U tell me who is "white" or "black"? Based on your post, an answer should be easy.BTW, I am serious.

Read my entire comment below and show me where I am wrong.

[zemaitis2]

I will tell you that, after you tell me the difference btwn lion and tiger. And then we can take it from there.

[123bigr]

zema-No problem. visually the tiger is orange, brown and sometimes white with thick black stripes.

A lion is golden brown, tan and sometimes white. The males have a large amount of hair aroud their head that is called a mane.

Should I consider the white tiger a different species because of color? The mother of the white tiger is orange with black stripes and so is the father. Should that see themselve as different beings because of a color. I am waiting 4 your answer.

[zemaitis2]

So looks like the only difference btwn tiger and lion is their fur color:) Well, whites and blacks also have different colors and to add, different brain size and developmental stage, different bone structure, number of teeth, inteligence levels IQ (regardless of social status). There are so many differences, That I could talk all day(literally). Main stream is very bias about this topic. Please visit eugenics . net and read "Egalitarian Fiction and Collective Fraud, by Linda Gottfredson".

[123bigr]

zema-U still did not tell me how U can tell a "black" person from a "white". There R people with the same 2 parents that have different bone structure, developmental stages, brain size, so-called intelligence and skin color.R these two siblings from different racial groups?What "Race" is the baby of a so-called white person and a so-called black person?You also failed to address my question about the white tiger. The white tiger's parents are both orange & black. R they a different species

[Fuzzbabby]

Um ..think again Youre assuming that all whites have a higher IQ, that is incorrect first of all, that testing is done only in the states it is not represenative of the globe, 2nd The level of IQ differs from person to person its more than general. Also all these Differences are slight at the best. As far as intelligence that too is subjective. All humans have on average the same number of teeth. Black is a social term, you actually just have lighter and darker human beings.

[zemaitis2]

I am talking about IQ averages and it is done on a global scale, just do some research. African blacks(pure blacks, have more teeth) their babys are born on average one week earlier, their brane mass is a lot smaller in proportion to body weight and so forth. I am sure you a re not white, so this argument will get nowhere, you can't admit that you are different and less superior, I understand. But you just have to look around and you will see that without whites this world would be a dark place

[Fuzzbabby]

A staggering 99.9% of Our genome is the same, which tells me that you are dwelling on the variation that occurs between all humans at a micro level. Sandra laing is one of the most interesting however, she was born of to white parents, and out popped a black child, as classified by the society, her life was never the same.he fact that your clinging on to the trivial differences is quite sad and only further highest the high probability that you are at least somewhat of a bigot.

[zemaitis2]

our DNA is 99% the same as chimpanze, does that mean we are also the same? We are all organizms, we are all similar in some way, it all narows down to that certain spark of thought that some of us have and some don't. Why most of the explorers are white? Why greatest worriors are white? Its something unexplainable that nature gave to white people and spared to others.

[Fuzzbabby]

99.9 and 99% are not the same, especially in the context of biology. Seeing as the slightest percentage difference can cause for some variation. When you can prove undoubtedly that the greatest Warriors were white, then maybe this will even be applicable in our conversation. However I highly doubt so, because your points, and reasoning ability lack maturity and clarity.

[zemaitis2]

You see, the difference btwn my reasoning and yours, is that I see the world how it is.Meanwhile you, live on future theories, which were developed do to political correctness. You don't have to be a geniuos to see that there are huge differences btwn races. We all can see social qualities in different races. Anywhere whites went, civilizations sprung, anywhere blacks went, they went down. Be realist and stop brainwashing yourself with nonsence, look whats around you, reality is the best proof.

[Fuzzbabby]

First the are many black colleges. I'm not sure exactly the toll of politician to politician destruction ratio by color, however there are many white politicians who have been at the center of controversy for misdeeds, and do I really need to name them. The Difference between my reasoning and yours is that your reasoning is based in racist ideals. Its as simple as that you're a racist therefore every theory and conviction you have is guided by racist ideals.

[supruzr]

What's a geniuos? Is that some kind of redneck who spreads racist propaganda? That's the impression I get anyway.

[Fuzzbabby]

Pure blacks?..lol you're amusing. Like a dog chasing after its tail. My research has been done until you can provide evidence of a more recent test that is indeed actually global, your claims are baseless. In addition to that a slightly lower IQ wouldn't mean anything it has not stopped any one member from any pigmented groups from being incredibly intelligent and successful.

[Fuzzbabby]

however that to me any how doesn't mean that the horses are in two separate classifications as far as species and functionality as horses,. You just don't want to admit that your archaic thinking is as dead as Latin. Surely someone as superior as yourself should have contributed more to the world, Stopped wars, ended tyranny, hunger poverty, and become the president of the united States of America.

[zemaitis2]

IQ difference is almost 20 points, that's alot. Reaserch has been done and I posted a link in previews comments, just go and read it. To know how this information is manipulated, go to eugenics . net and read the article (Egalitarian Fiction and Collective Fraud, by Linda Gottfredson). For moderrn scientific study, research dr. rushton.I am sure you will not read any of this, I can tell you too bias. To me this topic does not metter, becouse I see the real world and I know what's up.

[Fuzzbabby]

Really now is mariah carey white or black are tuaregs white or black, is Nicole richie white or black? Is every black person negroid. Is wentworth Miller white, what about Beyonce, or Tina knowled, Tyra banks. Is an albino white or black, Was sandra laing the daughter of two white people who came out looking like ashanti with an Afro, is she white or black?

[zemaitis2]

they are breedcasts, neither white or black. They don't have an identity and just like Obama, will be woundering through life trying to figure out who they are. To of couse, they better be black then white. White is special, white is the most gloriuos, white is everything we have to thank for!

[Fuzzbabby]

Logically skin color bone structure and IQ levels are not enough to classify people into races.Eugenics is outdated and has long been used as a political base used to inspire, senseless thoughts and ideas about one another.

[zemaitis2]

but its a fact, no scientist denies that, there are brain size differences and their developmental level differences. I mean look at Australia, it was started by Englands worst criminals, it was a prison where all stupid killers where shipped. Today Australia has the best standart of living in Asia. Why is that? They were illiterat just like locals?Why africa can't created a deacent country after trillions of donations, but eastern Europe recovered without any aid after soviet collapse? Explain

[Fuzzbabby]

You seem to lack any real understanding that is not biased, when it comes to not only biological matters, but also social matters. Until you can prove to me that out of all of the over 50 countries of African not one is decent. Then maybe i might be more open to you theory in addition to proving to me that the European presence in Africa was not detrimental to societies and natural resources, as well as well over a millennium of Slavery.

[zemaitis2]

If these blacks are so smart, why don't they have universities? Why after europeans left, they degraded themselves to savage level countries? Why can't they feed themselves if they have some of the most fertile lands on earth? Why they keep having kinds even thought they have AIDS? Where is their IQ and intelligence? Why blacks live like animals in this country? Why every city in this country with a black mayor turns into thirld world country level(detroit, washington DC, Baltimore, ETC?). Why?

[Fuzzbabby]

Eugenics my superior, has long been based in separation and propaganda, used as a ploy to separate people by ridiculous and half based concepts, and theory. Theories that have long been disproved and discarded, as political racially motivated, and archaic data by the overwhelming majority in the scientific community. The earth inst flat by the way just in case you were wondering.....superior...lol

[zemaitis2]

I am glad you brought up "overwhelming majority of scientists" into play. PLEASE read my article (the link that I placed here at eugenics . net). It will explain you, what scientists really think. Please do that, I beg you. Anyway, interesting talk, I have to work now:)

[Fuzzbabby]

I have already spoken about the base on which eugenics is built need I say more? Reading information, that only further feeds your need to feel justified as a racist, does not make you correct it just makes you a racist.

[Fuzzbabby]

Where as I on the other hand am coming from a realistic and accurate standpoint acknowledging the differences between groups, physical, but mainly cultural, as what they are, variations. differences in customs of the same species.

I couldn't even begin to have an intelligent and unbiased conversation with you about anything that applies to societies, and cultures, ancient and occurring.

[05311990frog]

u are an ignorant fool, every time you look into the face of the black man u look at your ancestors. Contrary to to what you're taught The first ppl on this Earth is Africa gave birth to everything we know today. Go to Kemet and see it written on the walls. You and I are the same bady you're skin might be white but you're just as black as I am. But some white men can't stand the fact the black man is their ancestor so they lie and do everything they can to hold us down. Don't respond just learn.

[supruzr]

Where exactly in "Kemet" (Misr, Egypt) is it "written on the walls" that black Africans are the ancestors of all people? It is true, but that's beside the point. Where is it written? Because the ancient Egyptians a) were not black, and b) had no way of knowing that.

[losvigil]

that of the small amount of total human genetic variation, 15% exists within any local population, be they Hispanic, black, Italian, Korean. In other words Two random Koreans are as likely to be genetically different as a Korean and an Italian

[losvigil]

Genetically speaking race does not exist; it is nothing more than a social construct. Truth is,race has no genetic basis, human species have not been around long enough, nor have populations been around long enough to develop into separate subspecies and or races. One should also consider that of the small amount of total human genetic variation, 15% exists within any local population, In other words Two random Koreans are as likely to be genetically different as a Korean and an Italian

[zemaitis2]

Why are you so naive???What do you mean there is no genetic difference?? If that's true, how come forensic scientists can tell the race from blood samples, sperm, skeleton, brain size and it's development, and a simple DNA test???I know it is hard gor you to understand that because you were being brainwashed from child days that there is no races, but I hope you can open your eyes and see, before the entire world turns into present day Africa.

[FaithWalks22]

What is a korean, what is a black man? Race is based of genetic mutations! The so called white man wants people to believe they have always been here...they know it isn't true especially when they learned about DNA strands, and dominant and recessive genes.

[LIONOFTHEBRAVE]

People who live in Korea are Korean and is a social construct made of politaical borders. A "black man" is a name given to someone for the colour of skin which is also a social consruct. Saying things like "the so called white man,is yet another social construct,which you have placed in a sentence attached with a racial generalization.Humans today with white skin have been on the planet just as long as humans with dark skin, and just because of mutations,does not mean they did not exist before.

[TheMidnightBell07]

Hey, let me guess, college graduate? lol

[zemaitis2]

Heu let me guess, gay activist?? See no skin color except for when it comes to affirmative action??:))

[TheMidnightBell07]

Hey, no I'm not but I can tell when someone is needy lol. I was was responding to a comment that has since been removed. I'm guessing that you are said person or in desperate need of a freind. I'm not gay but I'm sure if you keep looking there is someone just for you.

[Fuzzbabby]

That said if you judge superiority by IQ status, then there are many black people, Asians, Africans that have Higher IQ's I suppose those individuals are now you superiors. Here's a fact, the immigrants who come to the U.S with the highest test scores and highest graduation rates, are black Africans, I suppose that know mean that they are superior to white or Asian immigrants.

Here's a tip I understand your IQ is amazing and all spell brain correctly, like this B R A I N.

[cause4fear]

give proof for the statement "the immigrants who come to the U.S with the highest test scores and highest graduation rates, are black Africans"......i have heard otherwise.

[Raybanmonster]

cause4fear

This is exactly what keeps happening. Your refusal to believe keeps you in doubt so ingrained is your negativity.African immigrants to the United States were found more likely to be college educated to be more highly educated than any native-born ethnic group or immigrant group including white & Asian Americans , which included those from Europe, North America and Asia (Nisbett, 2002; U.S. Bureau of the Census, 2000). (Logan & Deane, 2003; Williams, 2005; The Economist, 1996).

[Raybanmonster]

African immigrants have also been shown to be more highly educated than any native-born ethnic group including white and Asian Americans (Logan & Deane, 2003; Williams, 2005; The Economist, 1996; Arthur, 2000; Selassie, 1998; Nisbett, 2002).

[Fuzzbabby]

You bigots are so entertaining, entangled in your own delusions about a so called truly separate race. I suppose you apply this thinking when it comes to animals a swell I can only imagine that you believe that horses of different coating are the same animal, I'm sure if you were to separate them by color, and do some research there would be an on average difference in cranial structure, and weight and speed,

[oramikleepunk]

Your right,but some people love hatred ,and being racist.I know racist that omit from biological genetic facts,and add social darwinism to what THEY want to believe.

[supruzr]

Duster campaigned against FDA approval because BiDil was never actually tested on any group but blacks. The trial methodology itself was racist and flawed.

[supruzr]

Wow, lots of racists here.

What a great argument! "We're not all the same", therefore races exist. We're not all the same, therefore we must be subdivided into genetically contiguous groups. Unfortunately, that's not true at all. No matter how you divide individuals into groups, by any arbitrary criteria, there will always be NO LESS genetic variation between individuals of the same group, as there is between individuals of different groups.

Race is bullshit.

[123bigr]

well said

[vaevictisIV]

not really! my dog is an AmStaff, my mother has an pincher. They are two different dogs with different psychical and physical characteristic.

[centrum99]

You are a brainwashed moron, obviously. You only parrot sentences learned during a multicultural class. If I saw the world from your perspective, there would be no difference between winter and summer, because the difference between their average temperatures is smaller than the range of extremes within each of these seasons. But you certainly skate on ice in July, don't you?

[justin3979]

Very well said. A little belligerant and abbraisive to be able to convince someone of a differing opinion, but i loved the analogy.

[centrum99]

How do you want to deal with these stupid crackpots? They are not worth decent and serious conversation.

[FarFromEquilibrium]

We are going to have to be honest about the differences and smilarities and get over the emotional discomfort/comfort whatever it may be. Perconally I love it when scientific rigor and objective measurement is not pc. I know presentation is always going to have selection, so what? If there's excessive interpretation its easilly shown by its own criteria to be wanting. Yes race exists, we're not all the same we all have tendencies, challenges, stregths; ignoring real = problems with no solutions.

[trying2bnormal]

ur a remarkably intelligent and honest individual. thank you for the friend invite mate.

ur right, people react very emotional when the race issue is touched. first we need to put aside the emotional discomfort to investigate this issue if we want to get closer to an answer.

[FarFromEquilibrium]

Theres a lot of concern for who will look good and who wont. Back in 2002 there was a stir on genome sampling at Howard U. where a lot of black groups were concerned as to how the samples would be used. They begged the question "what is it exactly you are scared to have found?" When this was posed (I do remember in one news segment) the response was very indignant and referred to all the racism from Tuskeegee to Hitler. But it was obvious there was one or more specifics they were concerned about

[FarFromEquilibrium]

I thought gee I wonder if its the amygdala and frontal cortex thing? Now in this video the speaker presents a lot of evidnence for one thing and then tries to conclude another at the end in a rhetorical cautionary tone. Certainly DNA is not identity in a 1 to 1 inverse but it IS physiology, external and internal. Im hoping other countries with less p-c political concerns will up the bar on this b/c I dont think the American universities are bold enough. I am tired of science being hushed for pc

[pdarius1]

This is great. Thank you!