Retired Lt. Gen. on Fox News: We Should Profile and Strip Search All 18-28-Year-Old Muslim Men

[Muneeb911]

Has this Ret. Lt. Gen. forgotten about Timothy McVeigh (UNITED STATES ARMY VETERAN) and what he did?

Why not search CAUCASIAN army veterans than.

[jobedied]

Yes we must be willing to sacrifice millions of Americans to get our Muslim brothers to love our bankers, corporate leaders,and government officials. Our Arab brothers will come to know we instigate wars for their good also, it makes profits for us and weeds out the violent Muslim element giving our military a mission and continuous training a win win situation.

When we are done Arabs will think like Americans, in the heart of every Arab is an American waiting to be born.

[Amalia87Nathair]

typical old fart mentality.....lol and muslims are already profiled at airports for "random searches" but that's taking it too far sorry bud.

[A86]

I love how right-wingers claim to love freedom and claim to want "the government off my back/out of my life" yet they want the government to be omnipresent in everyone's life after a terrorist attack and want the government to profile millions of people.

This is page straight out of Nazi Germany. Do they want Muslims to wear special badges too? Like a star and crescent? Should they be rounded into special ghettos?

[watchhimgo27]

@A86 Special badges? Sure. Now, here's the difference. Jews never attacked anyone in Germany or anywhere else. Jews never killed thousands of innocent civillians in the name of their fanatical religion. So, what happened to the Jews was an attrocity. Now, we have had hundreds of suicide attacks worldwide from 18-28 year old muslims, and they threaten us with more every day. The combined civil rights of the entire group isn't worth the risk of any one American life. Education is the answer.

[A86]

Israel has violated international laws several times over the decades and the UN and even the US government has condemned Israel.

They're humans like everyone else. Not angels.

"Jews never killed thousands of innocent civillians in the name of their fanatical religion"

Given that most Israeli soldiers are religious and there are Jewish extremists terrorists, like the ones who killed one of Israel's prime ministers, yes they have.

All religious extremism kills.

[watchhimgo27]

You obviously misunderstood my statement. What you suggested was special badges in comparing today's American muslims to Jews in the holocaust. That was the comparison. You speak now of Israel, and their deeds of late. I will give you my observations; we (US, Europe, Russia etc.) have not figured out how to combat terrorism effectively. We are too politically correct. Israel has been attacked from every direction by muslim terrorists since it came into existence. While you may not

[watchhimgo27]

agree with their tactics, they have learned over time to fight terrorism more effectively than the rest of the world. Israel, and their anti terror protocols will most likely become the standard for dealing with the muslim poulation of the world, but only after alot more innocent civillians are killed for Allah.

[A86]

"We are too politically correct"

This basically sums up why I disagree with your point:

/watch?v=6LpsighdGVE

By your logic we should be targeting white Christian males as well since that's who most political violence in the US has been committed by.

You're basically advocating Cheney's anti-terrorism policy which not only doesn't work it has INCREASED the number of terrorists worldwide.

[watchhimgo27]

I'm watching this video, but it has nothing to do with my arguements. And, maybe we should target white christian males.... as soon as it becomes a successful and rapidly growing trend for them to stand up in a room/bus/plane/market full of innocent civilians and yell "thank you Jesus" and then indiscriminately kill themselves and everyone within 100 yards in every direction because they beleive that mohammed, (their David Koresh/ Jim Jones/ Charles Manson) told them to.

[A86]

Actually there were several attacks on civilians last year by white Christian males that were politically motivated to instill fear in the hearts of people who disagree with them (the textbook definition of terrorism). One of them was James von Brunn.

I don't believe in this profiling crap. All you'll do is make said people of the profiled group hate you and then make them far more likely to sympathize with radicals in that group.

[watchhimgo27]

You don't have to agree with it, and You don't have to like it. Luckily for you and other soft hearted liberals, there are people out there fighting for your rights and safety. I am an American soldier. I am in 4ID at Ft CArson CO, and I am a sniper qualified infantryman. My job is to close with and kill the enemies of the United States,and I will do what is neccesary to stop the spread of terror at any cost. You can sleep well at night knowing better men will fight for you even if you won't.

[A86]

It's not about being "soft hearted" it's an issue, aside from the ethical aspect, of functionality. Not only is it unethical it just flat-out doesn't work. Never has and never will.

"I am an American soldier"

Well thank you for your service but I have to respectfully disagree. My father, grandfather, great uncle were soldiers and two of my cousins are currently in the armed forces and they disagree. Not only does it MAKE people hate you it can easily lead to something like Nazi Germany.

[watchhimgo27]

Undoubtedly you have never been to a muslim country. You do not know their culture and religion, you know what CNN tells you. Do I beleive we should be in Iraq? Nope, and I'm sure that is what you mean when you speak about your military family members. We should have left Iraq the day Sadam swung from a rope, but are you naive enough to beleive that if we do, and if we leave Afghanistan the terrist attacks will stop? Do you believe these are retallitory attacks? Do you know the Koran? You should

[A86]

Most people who have ever been to an Islamic country could tell you it's pretty much like being in a Christian developing nation. Religion is more intertwined with politics than would be comfortable in a "first world" nation with a secular government but most people aren't religious fanatics or terrorists.

"if we leave Afghanistan the terrist attacks will stop"

No, not immediately. But all sorts of violence goes on in most countries of the world. Should we invade those countries too?

[watchhimgo27]

Yes, if we are attacked in this country, yes, we should deliver a hammer blow immediately. Your profile says you have a political science background. Do you know why we had 3 conflicts in the 8 years of Reagan and none of them lasted more than a few days? Reagan did not play. If you threatened us, we would have a naval fleet on your beach in the morning, and Rangers in your palace. No one caused us problems. That is the kind of leader we need now to deal with these situations.

[A86]

"we should deliver a hammer blow immediately"

Yes, to people sympathetic to the attackers. We shouldn't attack all Muslims for the same reason we shouldn't attack all white male conservative Christians because of James von Brunn, that Philly cop killer, Timothy McVeigh, the Klan, etc.

"Reagan did not play"

I'm not a fan of any president after Ike (well, JFK and LBJ sort of) but we had less enemies under Clinton than Reagan. Being a bully does not make people leave you alone.

[A86]

So far the policies that work best seem to be the ones we have historically relied on - winning the hearts and minds of the people. You don't do that by becoming an occupying force or by profiling people because of their religious beliefs.

Now if there is an evidence and individual holds EXTREMIST beliefs yes I believe that individual should be profiled. But everyone who calls themselves the same religion? I don't think so. That goes for brown Muslims and white Christians alike.

[watchhimgo27]

I can't believe I'm reading this! "Hearts and minds works"? Where? When? Do you mean General Westmoreland in Vietnam, or the hearts and minds campaign of General Petreus in Iraq? Both have failed miserably. That was uncharacteristically uneducated for you. I am a little surprised. Please look into the Koran. You seem to assume that muslims are just like you. You have no idea who we are dealing with.

[A86]

Actually we were more successful in Bosnia and Iraq the first time around because we didn't come as occupiers and didn't bomb the country to the ground.

"Please look into the Koran"

The Bible is just as violent as the Qu'ran. That doesn't mean Christians are violent because their religious book is violent.

[watchhimgo27]

We have not bombed Iraq to the ground now either. And, the bible isn't a fraction as violent as the koran. The koran orders violence. Please read at least the highlights, and then let's speak again.

[A86]

I would say destroying entire cities, destroying the country's economy and killing up to a million people is "bombing it to the ground".

"he bible isn't a fraction as violent as the koran"

Yes it is. The Bible orders violence as well. In the Old Testament God orders his followers to kill every last man, woman, child, elderly person and animal in cities to make way for the Israelites. It also says to put witches, disobedient children, nonbelievers and gays to death.

[A86]

"Now, we have had hundreds of suicide attacks worldwide from 18-28 year old muslims"

No we haven't. Not counting insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan there have been less than 100 terrorist attacks by Muslims worldwide. All intelligence sources estimate the number of Muslim terrorists is probably less than 50,000.

[watchhimgo27]

No, your wrong again. Worldwide, there have been well over 100 attacks in recent history. Now, I don't know if you mean since 9/11 maybe? There have been terror attacks perpetrated by muslims worldwide since late in the life of mohammed, around 550 AD. But, for refference, there have been well over 100 since 9/11, and probably at least 100 against allied troops in Iraq alone. I have seen educated estimates of 10-15% extremist sympathetic populations. That's about 300 million people.

[blckjade05]

i see why hes doin it, hes pickin safety over ideals.

kinda like the second amendment issue.

its wrong to do thou. theyd prob never air that if he was talkin about black or asian. (esp chinese since their our debt overlords)

white ppl do crazy killer shit too, ull never see whites get profiled.ages 13-47 lol.

[ohmybentley]

What happened Obama about c-span, and the public watching the health care debate? Can Cnn ever ask any questions? Wait maybe CNN got a bailout to!

[blckjade05]

lol man chill da fuck out, look up the ratings for c-span the public watchin the healthcare debate?

the only ppl tunin in are....theirs no example for this....its 0...shit c-span prob got a bailout to stay on the air.

[SpAcYmEn]

what an Idiot!

Just because of these words of men like this will fead fear and devidement.

I believe we have to strip all jewish and christians to!

and women! Women are evil to and they must be destroyed ahum*

:)

[Dudeyowuzup]

@SpAcYmEn

oh yeah... women are sooo dangerous!

Strip them all!

oh yeah, and search them too...

[fahddoggz]

hahahaha ya too evil...

[flowergirl1313]

Muslims? How could you tell? There are Muslims from Asia, Russia, Europe, Africa, etc, etc. What he means is anyone who looks like they are from the Middle East.

[10thAngel]

9/11 = about 3000 dead

Afghan war civilians: 12,000-31,000

Iraq war civilians: 94,349 102,949

So 1 american is worth about 40-50 people.

[UpperCanada1812]

wow she finally fvckin gets it

[fahddoggz]

ur not from canada.

[Bosco239]

"lets do what Israel do...."

israel, the great diplomat.

[TrollBuster9090]

Somebody should point out to him that Israel doesn't profile people by race. They can't, since many people in Israel are of middle eastern (semitic) extraction anyways. (I even have a persian friend who lives in Israel. He just happened to be from one of the few jewish families in Iran.)

They profile on the basis of body language, and search people who look neurotic and nervous. It works pretty well.

[PresidentChimp]

Wouldn't it be simpler to make them wear a yellow star?

The Underwear Bomber was a false flag... Just like 9/11 and every other pretext these traitors come up with to loot our nation through war and trash the Constitution.

[p00lman]

Wow. This guy is so scummy that a Fox host actually holds the moral high ground!

[TrollBuster9090]

That's how they manage to pull of the outrageous lie that they're "fair and balanced."

They insidiously put on faux debates between right wing extremists and INSANE, Fascist, reactionary extremists like this guy. Then they play the sweet voice of reason by finding the moderate "centrist/middle ground" between the two.

That's how they managed to redefine the far right as the center right.

[creatorofutube]

I dont want racial profiling. I just wanna profile... a certain group of people...

wow this guy solved all our problems

[fahddoggz]

whoot whoot! lmao.

[evilpaul626]

ohh no let get scared of Muslims

fuck that were Americans we don't need races fuck try to scare us were Americans we kick ass

[frostwolf1]

Fox News pays this Lt. Gen. (or THEY are paid by the pentagon, I can't tell...) to spew these backwards ideas, then they can let the show anchor shoot it down as extreme.

The result is that the network saves face in the eyes of the gullible viewing public by "disagreeing", while still encouraging the sort of irrational fear-mongering that was their goal to begin with, by bringing it into the discussion.

[JamJells]

Why are the most scary men in Washington old men? Think about it.

[btc8128]

Scare tactics.

[oakeysmokey]

Richard Reid hardly looked Muslim or had a Muslim name

The old turd is lame.

[TrollBuster9090]

Exactly. If they'd forged Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab a passport with a non-Muslim name, he wouldn't have matched General Himmler's profile, and waltzed right onto the plane anyways.

A point that was obviously lost on him during an interview where he was citing the fact that a NIGERIAN tried to blow up a plane as proof that we should be strip searching ARABS.

The irony is mind blowing.

[clnmike]

And how can you tell there muslim if they dont tell you?

[KataVideo]

of course, this means we must strip search and profile all white men aged 38 - 65 before they enter banks, trading companies and insurance firms.. since they're the ones who fuck-up the world

[TrollBuster9090]

I gather the strip search would be to see if they're wearing a WHITE collar underneath the plaid one?

Indeed, they'd rip off the plaid shirt, run up to the vault, yell "AYN RAND o AKBAR," throw a thousand credit-default-swaps in, and implode the entire western economy. Fuckers.

[KataVideo]

"ayn rand o akbar"... . genius!!!!

[KataVideo]

I'll bet he wants to strip search all of those young, swarthy 18- to 28-year old muslim men. personally.

[CHARLESHARDIN96]

WHY 28? Does the suicide bomber age stops at 28? IDIOT! How would u know if they were Muslim unless they told you? This guy is wacked out!

[JerezJulio]

This is the new flavor of the Klu Klux Klam, Islam is the new Black for the republican.

If I did not know better you would think that Fox News and the Republican are sad that the terrorist Attack did not succeed in killing 300 American.

I do no remember a single democrat call 9/11 a Al-Qaida success the way the republican since to be doing in Fox News, we were call Unpatriotic for questioning the motives of a preemptive war on a different country.

[sandio713]

I don't know about anyone else, but I'm tired of hearing of innocent Americans being murdered by ppl from the mid-east. Actually they are just cowards. If they ever came face to face with an American soldier without thier bombs, they would be "mince meat". Having said that, I am all for some kind of measure that scopes them out before they get on a plane or cross US borders. Maybe profiling is too general, but maybe the airlines can pre-investigate backgrounds prior to allowing ppl to fly.

[mrbhave]

At 3:21, the General says that certainly not a religion that says you can kill women and children. However:

1 Samuel 15:3 -- Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Ezekiel 9:4-6 and Judges 21:10 also come to mind.

Religion IS the problem.

[SubmarinerAndroid]

All people who believe in a religion must be strip searched in public and anally violated before riding a plane or train.

[bleunt]

Fucking scared ass pussy republicans.

[xxxFaustusxxx]

This old white man is so out of touch.

Muslim world population: Over 1 billion.

That means the percentage of terrorist Muslims compared to total is a very small percentage.

Plus:

- Profling muslim would be difficult. Muslim = One of the Islam religion = anyone can be an muslim.

- Many of the things people attack the islam religion for can also be found within Christianity, specifically the Old Testament.

[sjcpal]

I imagine there are quite a few Republican Senators who would love to volunteer for the task, HUH  Mark Foley , Craig?

[keithrockerboblewis]

I think we should check into the finances and business dealings of all grey haired retired military officers.

[doink1422]

the "retired" general know what to do. if he could fix the problem he would be retired would he

[blackknight007]

right... richard reid would so fall under the umbrella of an 18-28 y/o islamic man. he looks like a tanned white guy on weed for god sake! friggin moron.

[TheFolkUtopia]

If this is a sign of how informed ranking generals are of the current and past situations with 'muslim' identity then it is no wonder that we are still 'suffering' a self induced ignorance of a solution.

[Ccolebrooked]

Lets NOT follow Israeli tactics.

[robbe21]

The U.S. is going crazy. Rest of the world better stay away.

[Pellegrino80]

It's the god damn Republicans/Fox News they're all crazy former drug addicts, they all need to be thrown out of this country or drowned in the ocean...

[LngLvSinatra]

I think this would end up becoming a race issue. I mean, how can they accurately profile a Muslim? What does a "Muslim" look like? Are they going to harass all men with beards? It's absolutely ridiculous.

[LngLvSinatra]

Lt Gen Thomas McInerney: "If we continue to become politically correct, then we're going to have to have a disaster"... was that a Freudian slip? Is the government planning another disaster, if we don't stop being p.c. and take away the 4th Amendment rights of Muslim-American men?

[hellshade2]

ok this retired general is a fucking retard. look at it this way friends,first off how are you going to tell who is a muslim? because muslims are not just middle easteners.are you going to ask them if they are muslims? and if they are and they are terrorists are they gonna tell you they are muslims? i can't believe we are even listening to this retarded asshole. any muslim that's looking to blow up a plane is not going to tell you he is a muslim if asked...

[julian7650]

if the vast majoritym of terror acts have been committed by men from a specific religious droup. it is logical, without malice, to profile the group. to do toherwise is to deny reality.

[aquamadman]

ok genius, how do you profile a religious group? do you know that there are white and chinese muslims? how do you pick out a muslim from a crowd of 300 passengers? ask them if they are muslim then violate their civil rights??

[mrbhave]

Exactly. The sad irony is that this guy wore a uniform in defense of civil liberties. It seems he forgot about that part.

[hellshade2]

i said pretty much the same thing aquamadman, you can see my post it's a few comments up the list from yours. that retired general is clueless...

[lvl100pokemans]

Wow, this moron is just as bad as any terroist.

Both have the goal of restricting the freedoms of Americans

[strideninja]

OMFG. Can someone break into these peoples houses in the middle of the night and just brutally murder them it'd be doing the gene pool a favor.

[arsh89]

@ strideninja, and all the other violence fomenters:

I'm a Muslim man in that age group and I've got to say, the calls for violence and murder sound really messed up. Let's have some rational, unemotional arguments. Calls for murdering "these peoples" is just as counterproductive as discriminately calling for profiling of other "peoples".

[MegF142857]

Everyone fly naked and let bomb detector dogs sniff everyone's crotch.

[undertheravensky]

this nigga be crazy! we can't do that

[RemiG2006]

In USA they first came for the Bin Laden,

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Bin Landen.

Then they came for the 28 Year Old Muslims,

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a 28 Year Old Muslim.

Then they came for the Army Veterans

and I didn't speak up because I wasn't an Army Veteran.

[RemiG2006]

Then they came for other Patriots loving this country more than everything else,

and I didn't speak up because I was a Sheeple watching my favorite programs: Idole, Dancing with the Stars .... because I am a Star!

Then they came for me —

and by that time no one was left to speak up.

[Ristar85]

im willing to bet that this guy's computer doesn't get any viruses because it is never connected to the internet and nothing is ever installed on it other than the OS.

[almweb2083]

You know you are crazy when a comintator from Fixed News says that your right wing idea is wrong.

[mintvagoo]

Conservatives are out of their fucking minds- fear mongering right-wing idoits.

Conservatives are as useful as a used Kleenex.

[dominicpodom]

This is the first smart thing I have heard that Julie woman say

[ishmealm]

Fear News Network

[HieiYYH2]

WOW this guy wants to do what. Are you serious, and we wonder why the rest of the world hates us.

[SchierForce]

screw the rest of the world and the bs opinion how americans should defend themselves. No one cared when your beloved socialist FDR during ww2 profiled and imprisoned 50k american germans and japanese in interment camps. Was the world complaining then. No they were glad as hell we thier to help regardless. WAR IS HELL for many reason. Many decisions and actions have to be taken that most simply don't like, but you have to do, what you have to do to defend yourselves.

[TheProgressistViewer]

Oh yes.. fuck that guy... let's all put our lives in danger for political correctness...

[phillydat]

wait...can't you lie about your religion? I know a couple white muslims from America. Will they, hypothetically, get profiled?

[TheRamenAvenger]

Why not just strip-search everyone? That would reduce terrorism. And have random house & car inspections once a week for all citizens. Make sure your papers are in order. We should also monitor all books and internet sites that people consume and listen to their phone calls. That's the price we have to pay for freedom!

[marniespeaks]

let's hope if there's another attack this guy and all of FOX NEWS is on that plane

want this to stop - quit bombing their wives and children

[tavadon777]

Man he really pisses me off

[tavadon777]

What are they doing to stop this Jihad?

What are YOU doing to stop the centuries long crusade the west has been on?

you sir, must study history before making complete and utter idiotic remarks.

[Shiftyeyes516]

Fix news promotes this and now they finally got a old fever-minded guy who said it.

Islam is not the enemy - Idiots like this old dry-up fool is.

[tavadon777]

Fuck this piece of shit bastard.

[JeffWilsonMusic]

This clip is so disgusting. This man is disgusting. You know shits fucked up when someone on Fox News disagrees with you.

[navtel]

good god, what a noodle.

[bo3of]

We might as well put two superimposed yellow triangles badge on each of them just like the Nazis did with the Jews.

/s

[tavadon777]

No, a green sickle moon.

[LouieArrighi]

how can one go about telling that they are Muslim? by the color of their skin and last name?

[joshpnw]

Common sense is not something the politically correct crowd can grasp.

[zeppelin462]

@joshpnw

Explain how this is common sense.

[SaintJust101]

'Its not racial profiling... its profiling a group that we have gathered enough evidence on.'

No matter what 'evidence' has been gathered,

how would you pick the fundamentalist out of a line up?

Will they be scowling?

Will the bomb be clearly visible?

Nope. Therefore under such a scheme any profile made would be racial. Fucktard.

[VeohBlows]

The global, elites way of saying we love you so much, were going to improve and re-institute the patriot act.

[RadicalSolutions]

Something in this plan reminds me of all of the bitching right-wingers do about "gun control" and how it only targets law abiding gun owners.

The only people these tactics would wind up harassing are people who wear their religious affiliations on their sleeve - the least likely to be carrying a bomb.

If they really want people to stop blowing up planes, own up to the CAUSES of terrorism. You can't have 700+ military bases around the world, and pretend you're not an IMPERIAL POWER.

[micahgee]

Not to mention occupying 5 Muslim countries, killing Muslim civilians and torturing Muslims in secret prisons.

Its also funny how everyone forgets that Bin Laden was a CIA asset and the Taliban were established in Western Pakistan to fight the Soviets with the ideology of Jihad.

Funny how Sadaam Hussein, who was called a "Hitler" before the invasion of Iraq, was given billions in military aid during the 1980's.

If these people were so evil, why did the US fund and arm them barely 30 yrs ago?

[Cyrathil]

The problem with outlining such stringent search policies is that if they know that they're looking for the stereotypical Muslim young adult, then they'll start operating with people who don't match that profile.

Sad as it may be, they are fighting a religious war, and your religion isn't based on any of our flimsy definitions of race.

We just need to actually start enforcing better search policies and making sure no one, of any profile, gets on a plane with an intent to harm people.

[NathanielFaunce]

Why don't we just frisk and do a canine sweep of everyone right after they wake up and get out of bed? If we do that, there will never be another attack.

[lllraverslll]

whats next ass probes?????? give me a break you want to go to war with jemin or what ever the place is called then just do it and stop trying to convince us that that little country is dangerous to us.

anyone else notice this terror hype today?

I'm still not scarred !

[Eldrad235]

i can't wait for that old age generation of political leaders to die out

[ferrozm]

if they had checked that guys passport (which they didn't) he wouldnt have been allowed on the plane no need to take everyones rights

[toddlamp]

I didn't know they didn't check the passport! But I thought that he wasn't on the no-fly list?

[ferrozm]

a man who was on the flight gave his eye witness that they did not even bother to check his Passport. google Kurt Haskell