BIRTH CONTROL AND PEACE. PEACE AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE ROBBING US GET TO KEEP ROBBING US. ROBBING ISN'T ENOUGH FOR THIS KABAL. STOP THINKING THEY ARE LOOKING OUT FOR YOU. THEY ARE SETTING YOU UP FOR THE ROYAL EVENT.
Goes to show, the mainstream people are dead fucking weight within this world. No matter what "issue" we deal with, all it takes is "1". 1 person can change this whole world & with 9 billion humans on earth, most of them roup scoups, that concept of "1" fascinates me. Look at Hitler, & Manson if you don't think "1" can change the whole entire world.
She deserved the social abuse she endured, yes it was an intellectual convictions this nasty mess, she sounds like the wicked witch of the west and looks like her too. He father was athiest, she was a child of the devil. Does not want cruelty and killing inocent babies is not cruel. This women was demon possed who's legacy is responsible for killing millions of innocent babies. Since she loved killing babies so much, she will hear the scream of babies for eternity. God shall not be mocked
Yay, planned parenthood! Thank you for supporting women's health by killing tens of millions! Remember when the Media did their job? Those were the days. But advertising sure hasn't changed....
what an evil woman; a NWO puppet ahead of her time. In 1980, my dad sat me down and gave me the red pill about the NWO. He was a fantastically wise man, war veteran; who was way ahead of his time; and was dearly punished for it. But I asked my dad, "Well, where are all of the people who would save us from the NWO? He said, "They're being aborted. Or they were, or will be--aborted." I can't help but think he was correct on that one...Thanks in large part to Sanger...
@SNOWINGDINOS Are you impying that "It's my body, it's my choice" applies to sex as well as abortions!? Are you saying women have the right to turn down sex!? Blasphemy!
lmao, "it's what i call a man's kind of mildness". cough cough cough choke choke choke wheeze wheeze wheeze....
what a beautiful intelligent brave woman, she wasn't perfect - who the fuck is, or was back in those days, just listen to buffoons like mike wallace badger malcolm x, mlk, and the black panthers...
margaret did more for women than a million devout church goers. and still today conservatives want raped women to birth their rapists kid, what a bunch of sick fucks the right is.
@tomitstube Talk about burying your head in the sand....my word....I've never seen such willful ignorance in my life. Your life must be one disappointment after another....
@TureRealD ~ margaret sanger was a hero for women's rights. the only one with their "heads in the sand" are all you religious nuts who think your "mission" is to make other people miserable and ignorant like you.
@tomitstube She's WAS a hero for women's rights, well...except for unborn women, or babies older than 9 months. Did you know she advocated killing babies 9 months after they were born. BTW, how does standing against murder of little children make me religious? And again, what it is that I am ignorant on? Am I missing something? I'm well aware she supported the right of women to kill their children. How does that make me ignorant? Sounds like we might have a bigot on our hands....
@tomitstube Oh and BTW, how is that cushy job at Media Matters? You must work for them right? I mean, no sound minded person would stand up for this garbage unless they were employed by them. I sure hope they are paying you a great yearly salary to go and find measly comment sections for you to spread progressive propaganda. I hope, in the end, it was worth working for George Soros when you come to find you sold your soul for 30 pieces of silver. LOL...good luck...."women's rights" LOL!!
By the way, I don't know when this interview took place, but if it was in 1950, the population of Japan was 44 million fewer than it is today.
Japan Population:
1950: 83.2 million
2010: 127 million
Japan today is the most equal society on the planet, and no one starves or goes hungry. Technology will make fools of the Malthusian every single time. People are not horses, they are not delimited by the amount of grassland they have access to.
Sanger: "Take Japan. And she cannot feed... the best experts say they have 20 million more people than she can feed. She's got to be fed outside, in some way."
Japan today is the most equal society in the world. There is no hunger in Japan. Why? Social policy, the car industry, and lots of value added through production. Technology. Like any malthusian, she never counted on technology improving to where more food can be produced than can be consumed.
Cynical, dishonest right-wing propoganda. The same right-wing that denied African-Americans their rights, and still work to deny them economic justice and basic services, have invented a false history for the purpose of exploiting blacks all over again. Among the many cynical aspects of this right-wing crusade is the assumption that the African-American community is more receptive to a sexist message. Btw Sanger opposed abortion and believed in individual, not state control, of family planning.
@tenagnek As far as Margaret Sanger goes, early on she did advocate for mandatory sterilization, particularly of blacks, Irish(despite the fact that she was of Irish background), and Jews. If you are curious, she authored several books, such as her own written Pivot of Civilization, not to mention her harder to come by Birth Control Review that would show, at minimum, in the early stage of her career, she believed in these ideas.
Look this woman killed more blacks, jews, arabs, mexicans, lower class whites, then any hate group, in the womb even. You look yourself in the mirror and tell me that "abortion is okay" "Abortion is my right". Bottom line: Margerat Sanger is early NWO.
@MrPreston2113 Sanger was an evil woman and the Queen of Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest killer of children--paid for with millions of your tax dollars!
@wickedslyfox I don't care if you're a woman, it makes you fighting AGAINST equality for women all the more disgusting. "Abstinance" DOES NOT FUCKING WORK!!! THIS IS A PROVEN FACT!! People are GOING to have sex and to blame the VICTIMS of unwanted pregnancies, and punish them for LIFE because puritans don't want them having sex is the polar opposite of the freedom this nation is based upon. Telling adults "just don't have sex" is cruel and stupid, and doesn't ever, ever, EVER work.
@wickedslyfox Ah the sexist bullshit of attacking women for unwanted pregnancies--never the man, of course, just the woman. Ignoring that a HUGE number of unwanted pregnancies are the result of failings of birth control. They ARE being responsible, and part of being responsible is MAKING DECISIONS FOR YOURSELF.
There you are BLAMING OTHERS FOR MISTAKES then saying not to do that, remarkably two-faced.
The sexism and hate of anti-choice thugs is seen again.
Modern eugenics is not a racist weapon used to exterminate inferior races, but a universal genetic tool that improves the genomes of all races. For example, about 2% of blacks have a gene that enables them to consume large amounts of saturated fat without any rise in the blood's cholesterol. I have very high level of blood's cholesterol and I believe that everyone should have this beneficial gene.
"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world." - Charles Darwin (Descent, vol. I, page 201)
"I wish very much that the wrong people could be prevented entirely from breeding; and when the evil nature of these people is sufficiently flagrant, this should be done. Criminals should be sterilised and feeble-minded persons forbidden to leave offspring behind them... the emphasis should be laid on getting desirable people to breed." - Theodore Roosevelt
Average IQ levels according to Richard Lynn: Ashkenazi Jews (110), East Asians (105), Europeans (99), Inuit (91), Southeast Asians and Amerindians (87 each), Pacific Islanders (85), South Asians/North Africans including Middle Easterners (84), Non-Bushmen Sub-Saharan Africans (67), Australian Aborigines (62), Bushmen and Pygmies (54), Homo Erectus (50), Apes (22), and Monkeys (12).
Estimates in the academic research of the heritability of IQ have varied from below 0.5 to a high of 0.9. A 1996 statement by the American Psychological Association gave about .45 for children and about .75 during and after adolescence... The New York Times Magazine has listed about three quarters as a figure held by the majority of studies. source: h t t p : / /e n.wikipedia.o r g/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ (remove spaces from the link)
A 60-page review of the scientific evidence has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic. source: w w w .news-medical.n e t /news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx (remove spaces from the link)
People who have physical or mental disability need special treatment. They should not have children, and they should receive financial compensation (monthly payments) so that they can live in comfort despite their disability.
Modern scientific researchers such as psychologist Richard Lynn, psychologist Raymond Cattell, and scientist Gregory Stock have called for eugenic policies using modern technology.
@polka23dot you claim Eugenics is not what we all think it is yet you argue for the very things we think is wrong and racist about eugenics, you want to play God with the human race and that is not our place. Live your life, I'll live mine, and let people make their own choices.
@saintoccasionally Not rich, just truth. Like so many ignorant people, you've fallen for a pack of lies. Here is the TRUTH--Sanger was NOT a racist, did NOT support Eugenics, and HATED Hitler and the Nazis.
Bahahhhhaaaaaa, she says she doesn't like to see people suffer, my ass!!! (Excuse my French.) She's the founder of the biggest abortion provider in America! Ughh, what a creeperface!
@ilikecats40111 Planned Parenthood PREVENTS tremendous amounts of suffering. They provide health care to women whom NOBODY else will help. You just prove again that anti-choice radicals pretend to care deeply about embryos and fetuses, but don't give a damn about human beings, especially women.
@ilikecats40111 Abortion is absolutely part of comprehensive health care. And it is absolutely NOT killing babies. One has to bear in mind that if the hard right anti-choice movement had any legitimate standing or point to make, these falsehoods and appeals to hysterical emotion about "tiny babies" and "innocent lives snuffed out" wouldn't be all they had to offer. Of course, that they ignore the massive amounts of suffering anti-choice laws do cause, and Planned Parenthood does prevent, is key.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Um, yes, it is a child that is living in his/her mother's womb. If he's not a human being, what kind of being is he? You should be glad your mother chose life.
My mother CHOSE life. I would NOT be glad to have the decision FORCED upon her by fascists like yourself who don't give a damn about her rights, or her ability to make a decision based upon what's best for her and what she thinks is right. Guess what, jackass, my mom's about a thousand times smarter than you, and far more capable of making a responsible decision.
@ilikecats40111 Actually, no, it doesn't. You guys gotta quit getting your "facts" from right wing hate groups. A fetus is not a child. It means "hatchling" or, indeed "young ones" is one, NOT "child." A fetus isn't a baby. Anti-choicers depend on dishonest language like this (there's no such thing as a "partial-birth abortion" and sexist attacks on women, calling them "sluts" and slurring them for "opening their legs," there's no ATTEMPT to view women as equals.
@ilikecats40111 -You're completely brainwashed by Right Wing Propaganda Margaret Sanger never did any abortions she died in the 1960's long before abortion was even made legal Sanger was only for using birth control NOT Abortion there's a huge difference between birth control and abortion learn the difference
White Women have more abortions than anyone since 1973 there's been 55 million abortions over all and 30 million of them have been White Women and only 14 million have been Black Women
@PrisonerNumber9653 Women should not be given the choice to have their child murdered. I'm all for rights, but it this case, I'm for the baby's right to live.
@ilikecats40111 It's not a child, or a baby, it is NOT being murdered, and to pretend an embryo's rights are more important than a woman's is insanity. This is the same stupid mindset that gave us laws against birth control, viewing every sperm as "sacred", it's based in utter ignorance of fetal development and moronic puritanical attitudes towards sexuality.
What a pity that instead of their usual slanderous lies about people who are at least alive to defend themselves and correct the record, the hard right is now slandering Sanger long after her death. She was not remotely racist, NEVER said many of the quotes attributed to her--some out of context, some said by others in journals she produced, some pure fiction.
She was a close friend of WEB DuBois and Martin Luther King, neither gentleman was known to hang out with racists a whole lot.
@PrisonerNumber9653 how the hell can you say Sanger or any Eugenicist is not racist ? to argue that position you must be white ... support for Eugenics is in itself racist.
@LeGioNoFZioN It's a fact. Margaret Sanger was NOT a Eugenicist, and WAS NOT A RACIST. In ANY way. VERY VERY few people of her time did MORE to help black people. I do not support Eugenics, nor did Sanger, and I am NOT a racist. Yes, I'm white--I've also been a member of the NAACP for over 20 years.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I hope that kool aid is sweet ... because its a nasty pack of lies you swallowed. NAACP membership does not mean a thing, but some people just never get it. you say Sanger was not what she was, yet she associated with, and was in high standing among eugenicists. If you hang out with the KKklan 15 hours a week but aren't officially a member does that mean you have no affiliation ? think with your head, not with sound bites.
@LeGioNoFZioN I've not swallowed any lies, I've unlike you ACTUALLY READ HER WORK. It is YOU believing the pack of flies. She did not, did not EVER hang out with the Klan, she HATED them and what they stood for. The hypocrisy of you swallowing DOCUMENTED LIES from hard right hate groups then saying "think with your head not sound bites" is hysteria.
She "associated" with eugenicists? Really? She ALSO associated with WEB DuBois, and was strongly supported by Martin Luther King. Were they racist?
@PrisonerNumber9653 I never said she hung with the klan I was using an analogy as her commiseration with Eugenics proponents is documented. She was a proponent of negative eugenics -- social construction through the limitation of procreation of undesireable peoples (ie non white, non affluent). this is in the Pivot of Civilization. For someone who claims to have read her, you seem to skip over the inconvenient parts. just because you hang with a few black people and have black friends...
@LeGioNoFZioN They are NOT "documented" they are CLAIMED by hate groups with no credibilty. This vile LIE that she viewed non white or non affluent people as "undesirable" is absolute vomit, she said NOTHING of the sort and did NOT view them as undesirable at all. EVER.
I haven't skipped any parts, I've read what she REALLY wrote, not what hate crimes CLAIM she wrote. Now, where in HER OWN WRITINGS did you find reference to blacks as "undesirable"? In what book?
@PrisonerNumber9653 ...does not mean one has no racists thoughts feelings, or attitudes. I acknowledge she advocated for coercion when it came to sterilization over compulsory action of the state, but just because she was 25% the monster Hitler's scientists were doesn't make her a hero or any less villain. She advocated for abortions during a period where we didn't know what the effects of abortion were and before modern contraceptives were introduced ... she is a complex character ..
@LeGioNoFZioN Yeah, that she was strongly supported by DuBois and MLK is a pretty good sign she wasn't this "racist" the hard right's painter her as. She was not a "monster" in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER, she WAS a hero and not a villian AT ALL. The "effects of abortion" are a LIE, and that there were still not contraceptives makes her advocacy of reproductive choice all the more vital. Yes, complex character, true...but also victim of a great number of lies.
@PrisonerNumber9653 it is hard for most white folks to get this, being professional, or nice to or getting along with other races is not an example of the absense of racism, it simply means one is sophisticated enough to bear the evil in ones soul all the time. If you try to tell someone you aren't racist because you have a black friend, it makes you a joke and suspect. It proves nothing. ... this is getting too deep for youtube, send me an email
@LeGioNoFZioN And being a member of the NAACP is nowhere CLOSE to the only thing that makes me NOT be a racist, NOTHING makes me a racist at all. Nothing. "Evil in my soul"? Now you're saying I'm evil because I won't be snowed by a PACK OF LIES? I don't claim to have read the books, I HAVE READ THE BOOKS. Now, WHERE are these quotes you CLAIM? In what book? Where?
I'm fully aware there are hate groups spreading phony Sanger quotes, and you're following them and not actually reading the books
@PrisonerNumber9653 ... so while I acknowledge she meant well, her ignorance unavoidable due to the times she lived through, but the effects of her life and advocacy are no less detrimental ... had Dr King understood the effect of her advocacy would lead to African Americans loss as the rightful primary minority and eventual place as the new majority he would not have been ok with that.
@LeGioNoFZioN What "ignorance"? You still are falling for hate groups lies, she did not advocate anything that was based in ignorance. There are no "detrimental" affects of her life, she was an extremely rare white woman fighting for justice and equality for black women, a great hearo.
Your babble about "rightful primary minority and new majority" is ridiculous nonsense. Her advocacy didn't cause harm to blacks, and King didn't care about being "the new majority".
@PrisonerNumber9653 wow do you live your whole life in such a state of denial ? you said you read her book, but claim she had no racist or elitist inclinations which she clearly did. All Eugenicists did. I actually feel kind of sorry for you. I am well versed in this topic, and if you would like, send me an email and we can talk about this privately, I haven't made anything up, and if you want to be educated, I would love to help you on your way.
@LeGioNoFZioN Knowing the facts and not being snowed by propaganda and hate group lies is NOT a "state of denial." She did NOT "clearly have racist or elitist inclinations," and reading her books PROVES this. She was NOT a Eugenicist. I asked before where these quotes from her books are, and there's STILL a big empty space there. You're NOT well-versed in the subject, you've been taught the lies well and parrot the lies well. You didn't make this up, OTHERS made it up and you just parrot them.
@PrisonerNumber9653 being at work, I don't have the time to reference literature I have at home, but if you go to the wikipiedia page for her, and go to the eugenics and race sections they will refer you to sources you can investigate on your own time. its footnoted, so you know some "right winger" didn't just change the page. Sanger lived at a time when whites even when they worked side by side with blacks, still never respected them or thought of them as equal, this is the definition of racism
@LeGioNoFZioN I'll look forward to seeing them, because I've seen ALL these lies repeatedly, and they ALL can be 100% debunked. Do you own her books? Wikipedia is FULL of lies, ANYONE can post on there. I can go post that she batted .268 for the 1934 Detroit Tigers. The Wiki on Sanger POINTS OUT THAT HATE GROUPS ARE MISLEADING PEOPLE WITH THE QUOTES!
It is a LIE to claim she did not respect blacks, it is a LIE to say she didn't view them as equal. It's preposterous to claim her "racist".
@PrisonerNumber9653 you are getting too emotional while disregarding the information I have given you, while you scream for more information .... you clearly are partisan and incapable of real dialogue. All the best to you on your journey.
@LeGioNoFZioN Yeah, I'm getting PISSED OFF, I've spent my life fighting against bigotry and when I see it it's infuriating. Margaret Sanger is the victim of hate right hate groups, and it's one thing to be a tool for such groups but to tell those who aren't "you need to do the research" when I've READ THE BOOKS, I've DONE THE RESEARCH, you're damn right I'm getting mad, because I know what this is REALLY about, robbing women, especially black women, of their right to choose.
I'm ABSOLUTELY capable of real dialogue. Show me in the book where ANYTHING you claim was said...not quoted from someone else, in her own writings. You've been asked repeatedly if you'd actually read her books, and I'm assuming your failure to answer is the answer. I'm very well capable of real dialogue, you don't want that...you want to snow people with lies and have them not be questioned, you're not ready to back up your claims with, you know, facts and stuff.
@LeGioNoFZioN THIS VIDEO IS REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDA BULLSHIT
-I'm a black woman who believes in the woman's right to choice the Government doesn't have the right to force women to give birth that's fascism America is a Free Country women have the right to choose.This video is nothing but Republican Propaganda Bullshit only 5% what planned parenthood does is abortion
Margaret Sanger never did any abortions she died in the 1960's long before abortion was even made legal in 1973
@SuperBlackWoman1 You are an embarrassment to black people period. Especially black women you have no knowledge of who the woman is about except to say such rubbish . Google "Approximate Number of African American Death Since 1973" and tell me how close to 14 million dead African Americans as a result of this woman actions and come back and tell me what you find. Pathetic. Prof James Bonner is entirely correct, a fact which still stands to this day. Go to worldwatch(dot)org
@Maxantium -You're completely brainwashed by Right Wing Propaganda Margaret Sanger never did any abortions she died in the 1960's long before abortion was even made legal Sanger was only for using birth control NOT Abortion there's a huge difference between birth control and abortion learn the difference
White Women have more abortions than anyone since 1973 there's been 55 million abortions over all and 30 million of them have been White Women and only 14 million have been Black Women
@SuperBlackWoman1 "55 million abortions over all and 30 million of them have been White Women and only 14 million have been Black Women" and we only make up 14% -28% of the population and you dont find that amount alarming and disproportionately high ? Posting these numbers further prove how much of F***king sellout brainwashed idiot you are. Go watch the dvd "Hidden Colors" Bitch !
@Maxantium It is a sick, disgusting LIE to claim "14 million dead African-Americans," "this woman's actions" did NOTHING but help give women the CHOICE which you want to ROB them of, and she has helped MILLIONS of black women, and harmed NONE.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Did you search google ? IF not do so and the numbers will speak for themselves. Here is your search criteria "Approximate Number of African American Death Since 1973" when you do tell me am lying then , the numbers dont lie. This is for the same reasons you dont see Liquor stores in white neighbor hoods silly. FAIL !
@Maxantium -You must be a Right Wing Retard you keep repeating the same Propaganda Lie even after its been proven to be a lie abortion has nothing to do with race and Margaret Sanger NEVER did any abortions
Stop getting your information from idiots like Glenn Beck and Right Wing Websites
@SuperBlackWoman1 No you dimwit , I hate Glenn Beck and all of the Faux News idiots. Am black dummy. Did you google what i suggested before you open your halitosis mouth. You must be either old or one of those Jesus freaks who accepts everything the pastor tells you including the dumb deacons too. Have you watched all of Sanger's video interviews and read at least 1 of her book ? YES or NO answer please ? Do i have top remind you not to lie when you answer ?
@SuperBlackWoman1 Here is the google search criteria AGAIN ! Google the following "Approximate Number of African American Death Since 1973". Lets take your statement @ face value>>"abortion has nothing to do with race & Margaret Sanger NEVER did any abortions",then is it sensible to also believe that raping your son/daughter didn't CONTRIBUTE in DEVIANT behavior as a result his/her experience ? THINK DUMMY THINK. I guess i could do to u as i please and u will get on with life like clock work
@Maxantium -You must be mentally retarded you keep telling the same lie over and over even after its been proven to be a lie you must be a gullible weak minded person turn off Fox News and stop believing propaganda bullshit.Everybody knows Margaret Sanger NEVER did any abortions she died before abortion was even made legal
Only the Supreme Court can over turn abortion and Republicans have full control in the Supreme Court getting rid of planned parenthood is not going to stop abortion
@SuperBlackWoman1 Am not against abortion by any stretch of the imagination silly, as i sed b4 i dont acribe to Faux New or any propogating body , i read and stay informed and you should too asshole. You are the perfect reason why WOMEN are NEVER SEEN AS A THREAT TO SOCIETY. A sheeple you are .
@SuperBlackWoman1 Is it normal to have so many liquor stores in black neighborhood but none in white neighborhoods ? IS it normal that blacks get pull over more than any other groups but us ? Is it normal that FREDDIE MAC intentionally red-lines black neighborhoods against getting home loans ? Is it normal that black have only 1 bank in the country [California] and any attempts to get our own banks gets shot down by congress ?
@Maxantium -The NAACP give Margaret Sanger a lifetime achievement award in 1962 for helping black women with health care most of Sanger's best friends were black.Stop believing these lies and propaganda Right Wing Extremists have been making up propaganda videos and websites to try to defund planned parenthood the same way they did with accorn when only 5% of planned parenthood does has to do with abortion they mostly just provide health care for women who don't health care
@SuperBlackWoman1 Davide Duke has black friends too. The bad far outweighs the good. The award of 1962 is over 40 years old and @ the time it was awarded was way too early to realize it true and real intent. I guess in your feeble mind you were to recive an award a year ago and 5 years later you massacred 100 people that award should still serve as a litmus test to your character for the death of the 100 ! You logic is stupefying .
@Maxantium I won't even try to get into today's continued injustice, including red lining black districts to turn them into ghettos, then buying up the real estate at a fraction of its true value, before gentrifying it for resale and much higher prices. But i guess you will call this a RIGHT WING COINCIDENCE TOO. Smh
@SuperBlackWoman1 You need to change your name to "Unintelligent Dumb Black woman" Brainwashed black people like you makes my blood BOIL. Matter of fact go read the book , "BRAINWASHED" by Tom Burrell & "YURUGU" by Dr. Marimba Ani . Search on YouTube and watch "Dr Ivan Van Sertima - Black Woman In Antiquity", maybe just MAYBE you will get YOUR BEARINGS BACK.
@Maxantium You ARE lying. Abortion does NOT "kill African-Americans." A fetus is not an "African-American." Reproductive rights SAVE LIVES, especially those of poor women.
I'm GREAT with anything that gets liquor stores, gun shops, and lotto dealers out of black neighborhoods. THAT is where the destruction's coming from.
@SuperBlackWoman1 I am well aware of Sanger's apprehension of abortion, but does it not even bother you that PP has been responsible for more black deaths than the klan or diseases of any kind ? while I don't agree with abortion I wouldn't ban it altogether in case of rape or incest I don't think the law or the government should be able to intervene. that said black people in america will never have their due, in large part thanks to PP.
@LeGioNoFZioN Vile KKK lies. Planned Parenthood has SAVED thousands of black lives, it's never EVER taken one. Blacks will never have their due "in large part thanks to Planned Parenthood"? That's VOMIT! PP has HELPED black families tremendously, they're not holding blacks back, people like YOU are. Blacks are NOT helped by having unwanted pregnancies.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I call shenanigans on you individual ... saved in what orwellian age do you live in ? how do you call the taking of lives the saving of lives ? while I agree unwanted pregnancies often don't help anyone, the situation is more complex than PP saves lives by ending lives. how the hell would what I said be a KKK lie ? the KKK loves PP, they give money when they can. It helps accomplish their goals without them getting their hands dirty.
@LeGioNoFZioN It is NOT the taking of lives. THOUSANDS of women have had their lives SAVED because they were not physically able to carry a pregnancy to term. ALL the abortions Dr. Tiller performed were for the life and health of the mother. PP does NOT "end lives," your life begins when you are BORN, an embryo is not a 'child'
The KKK loves PP? BULL, they do NOT. Show me ONE FUCKING DIME given to PP by the Klan.
Their goals are to harm blacks, PP helps blacks. POLAR OPPOSITES.
@PrisonerNumber9653 wow you are either brainwashed, or you must be an abortion doctor, you must make a living off of this in order to be living is such a world of denial and schadenfreude .... do you seriously think of all the millions of abortions that have occurred in your country that most or even half were to protect the life of the mother ? you probably think partial birth abortion is ok too ... why does the KKK love PP, it should be obvious they reduce the amount of non whites in society
@LeGioNoFZioN There is no such thing as an "abortion doctor," I am not in denial, I am informed and know the facts here and see through these lies.
NO, I do NOT pretend all abortion is to save the life of the woman, I DO think every one was what the mother thought was best for her life at that time...HER CHOICE. Sometimes it's because of finances, they cannot afford another child. Or the dad split. She's too young, trying to finish education. Going to lose her job. There are LOTS of reasons.
@LeGioNoFZioN There is no such thing as "Partial-Birth Abortion," it does not exist. And, if you actually knew what the hell you were talking about, you would KNOW it is OK. That procedure is ONLY used when a fetus is non-viable, is ALREADY going to die, and the alternative is major surgery. To demand women undergo major surgery because the VASTLY safer procedure looks icky is nothing but butchery. It remains a LIE to claim the KKK love PP, they DO NOT.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I live in a country where it is not illegal and trust me, PTA are done. you are far too partisan on this, and you must be employed by these people. You give no ground in an argument, when I will. You show little good faith, and make sweeping statements not held up by logic of any kind. you argue emotionally instead of on the facts. You sad the KKK loves PP, because you love PP. But what could a racist love more than organizations that lessens the # of people they hate
@LeGioNoFZioN It remains a flat-out lie to claim I work for anyone associated with PP or any other women's health care provider. If you think only those PAID to support the right to choose really do support it, it's not I too "partisan."
No, I don't give ground in an argument when a woman's rights and equality are at stake, nor when something's just flat out not true. I do give ground when shown I'm wrong. There's nothing illogical about equality. more
@PrisonerNumber9653 you sound like someone who can't argue over theoretical grounds ... which means you have something invested in the topic otherwise you could at least engage openly and honestly. you may not make your living through the industry but you are clearly too close to it to be objective. Its funny you associate abortion rights as being about equality, while I see it the opposite. Its freed up the generation before mine and mine to be ....
@LeGioNoFZioN Still absolutely pathetic lies. I do NOT have anything "invested" in this but a commitment to justice, and knowledge of the situation, far more than you have. Engage openly and honestly? I've done NOTHING but engage openly and honestly. I'm nowhere near "too close". I've not set foot in a PP office in over 20 years. I don't need their services, but a great deal of women DO. That's what it's about, compassion for OTHER PEOPLE. No matter the issue, the right never seems to get that.
@PrisonerNumber9653 its compassion that drives us both, but our ways of viewing and understanding the world are different which brings us to 2 different conclusions about the same topic ... let me put this clearly for you, I have friends and family who have gone through abortions and I don't try to make them uncomfortable because I disagree with their decisions, but I cry, sometimes uncontrollably over the decisions and wasted lives ... especially when it comes to my own family
@LeGioNoFZioN Wasted lives? You're searching desperately for something to cry over, do you cry for the "wasted lives" of birth control? Is there some purpose to wanting as many people as possible, even if they're in horrible, miserable conditions?
Where are your tears for the REAL wasted lives, those of young women forced into motherhood who lose any hope of a real education or a real future? Who instead work their lives away bagging groceries and then flipping burgers to pay the babysitter?
@PrisonerNumber9653 We've got resources enough to educate them. Thousands are looking for education. Thousands are looking to teach. We've got tons of food, clothing, and shelter all going to waste because no one is willing to offer it to those who need it.
The problem is NOT the children. It is a lack of charity, even among the poor who can even spare a little. And certainly among the rich who can spare much. What good is wealth if it is not shared? THAT is the real waste of a life.
@SorokChyetirye What "resources" do you have so a single mom can get a college degree? You're going to provide day care for six or eight hours a day, and food and housing for this family? Right...
You're right about resources being unequally distributed, that's a problem of our society and system in general, which has nothing to do with reproductive choice except forcing women into motherhood just makes it a lot worse.
YOU say children aren't a problem, fine, YOU choose not to have an abortion.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Each of us alone may not have enough (unless you are Bill Gates, or Warren Buffett). But when we all work together, and center our efforts on the Lord, who gives all help, we can feed many mouths. What do you think homeless shelters or the Salvation Army are, the work of one man alone? No; these things are community efforts. We, the poor, must work together to help the poorer than the poor.
@SorokChyetirye I've spent a lifetime working with non-profits (not Salvation Army, who I deeply dislike for their vile discrimination AND right wing politics) that is NOT the answer. It will never come CLOSE to working. We need a change in economic system, we cannot take 46 million people in poverty and just let them live on the crumbs. Community efforts should be the ENTIRE community viewing people as equals, not "the poor" as if God made them to be poor. God made them EQUAL.
@SorokChyetirye Abortion is NOT murder, that's an absurd comparison. Please show me where I said "There is no God." I'm a devout and committed Christian. No, all morals are NOT relative, robbing women of equality is NEVER right. "Relativism" is the right's made up term for "follow our morals, not yours", and they have warped ones.
Is it wrong or not? I say no, you say yes, that is a decision EACH PERSON MAKES FOR THEMSELVES, what's TRULY wrong is forcing your morals on others.
@SorokChyetirye Charity isn't the answer, a complete change in the system which is built on greed and profit and not what's best for human beings is needed, but again that's got nothing to do with what's being discussed here. You're absolutely right, wealth SHOULD be shared, God didn't bless this world with enough for everyone so a few could have a nine-car garage and private jet while homeless people sleep in the bushes next to my church.
@PrisonerNumber9653 It has everything to do with what's being discussed. We would not even be discussing birth control in a perfect world, as children would not even be considered a burden. They would be what God meant for them to be: a gift from Himself. Matthew 18:5, Mark 9:37, and Luke 9:48, for a reference.
And children are a gift - but not in a society based on greed and selfishness. Charity is the solution - the sharing of wealth so that it multiplies and does good - is the solution.
@SorokChyetirye Actually, no it ISN'T part of this discussion. I'm talking about the difference between "charity", a dandy idea which has failed miserably, or changing the system to one with real economic justice, a real sharing of wealth among all people as God intended, also known as Socialism. And, you're right, people WOULD be far more able to care for children in that setting.
And it would STILL be horribly wrong to deny women the CHOICE to stay pregnant or not.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Hah! Marx is as pie-in-the-sky as I am! And far more violent.
The way I see it, socialism - or, real Christian charity - are impossible in this world. For charity to work, we would need to all be perfect, as only perfect people are perfectly charitable. No government, no matter how sophisticated, can lead people to give what they do not want to - at least not without violating their right to property.
@SorokChyetirye Marx isn't and wasn't remotely violent. Charity won't work, an economy based on justice and equality WILL.
Government can't lead people to give what they don't want? So, you're saying every dollar of taxes we bring in now is voluntary?
There's no "right to property". That's a man-made and un-Christian lie. People have a right to health care, to enough to eat, to housing, to education, NOT to hoard luxury while others starve. "Right to property" means greed.
@LeGioNoFZioN There's nothing remotely "funny" about associating reproductive choice with equality. It IS about equality. Men have the right to become fathers, and women to become mothers, WHEN THEY CHOOSE not when the government directs it.
It's ridiculous to say it freed people up to be sexually active and pretend that's a BAD thing. Nothing could be more idiotic than to return the puritan mindset of the past, which was 100% about women as property. Men screwed around all along.
@PrisonerNumber9653 well to this end I agree, I am not advocating for a return to puritan society, women are individuals and no individual should ever be property, including children. Sexual activity is not good or bad, it can be either depending on the individuals involved. what responsible adults choose I have no say in, but I would prefer that abortion not be used as a form of birth control, and unfortunately I know some women who have used it as such
@LeGioNoFZioN Yeah, I do too. I would PREFER that not happen, also. I'd prefer people not smoke cigarettes, either, but I'm not going to say it should be banned. I'll support anti-smoking campaigns, and family planning.
@PrisonerNumber9653 ... I have one friend, really an acquaintance, someone I know but don't spend a lot of time with, who was offended her doc advised her she needed to consider alternatives because the amount of abortions she had gone through may threaten her life and ability to reproduce. its not like access to knowledge about safe choices is hard to come by. hell we had access in elementary school, junior high and high school no charge.
@PrisonerNumber9653 ... the most sexually active and adventurous generations ever. Men are freed from our obligation to the women we sleep with, so we can sleep with more women and when one gets pregnant we are free to hide from our duties and responsibilities and can complain we weren't consulted about having a child. I don't complain being the beneficiary of this, but I certainly don't call it equality.
@LeGioNoFZioN You just made MY point and showed why equality cannot exist without reproductive choice. Yes, the man can walk away. The woman, without choice, cannot. She's given a life sentence, her life often totally destroyed because puritans want to punish her for not being chaste and pure, an idiotic goal. Our society chuckles at young men "going out and getting some," but a woman who's a "slut" is the lowest. Even parents have double standards with their own kids.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I know this is nothing new, but the freedom gained through this newfound equality is in itself inequal. Men are freed where they weren't before. Society could shun or malign the man before, social pressures came to bear on a man who spread his seed everywhere ... shotgun weddings and "making an honest woman of her" ... all that kind ... its evidence by modern numbers, because single parent families have never been as prevalent as now
@LeGioNoFZioN Horsecrap. It's not "inequal," and it's absurd to think we should go back to shotgun weddings. "Social pressure" to marry someone you do not love is idiotic, and does NOT make society the slightest bit better.
Single parent families are fine if that's the mother's choice. If it's NOT, that's why reproductive choice is vital, and necessary to equality.
@PrisonerNumber9653 But allowing men to rape and/or not take responsibility for the seeds they have planted is also inexcusable. It's reducing them to spoiled brats you are advocating. Real men raise their children.
We're not asking for "social pressure". We're asking men to live up to the balls they claim to have and raise their children like REAL men.
And while single parenthood is sometimes inevitable, it should NOT be an ideal, definitely not encouraged. It's difficult going it alone.
@SorokChyetirye What a pack of lies. No, moron, I'm not "reducing" anyone to "spoiled brats". You want to force the woman to keep an unwanted pregnancy, THEN force the father to marry someone he doesn't love, and call that a "family"? Great.
It doesn't take "balls" it takes gall. If a woman WANTS to have the child and hit dad up for child support, great. I'm all for it. If she DOESN'T, that's her right.
Nobody is idealizing single parenthood, we just stopped blaming the for actions of adults.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Not at all. Teach the men, for their youth, that they are to be responsible for their actions. Prevent problems from arising by teaching children (perhaps with the current generation) what happens when you are irresponsible.
Hit up the fathers for child support and force them to take responsibility for their actions? Good idea. Support struggling single parents? Also good. Killing the innocence because their mothers are burdened with financial and life problems? Stupidity.
@SorokChyetirye Ah, teach responsibility! That's great. Except then what? I'm GREAT with comprehensive sex education, and preventing unwanted pregnancies, which actually WILL work. Trying to force men into marrying someone they don't love because they're pregnant not only won't work, but shouldn't be tried. That's not a family, and only leads to a lifetime of resentment and bitterness.
This is NOT "killing the innocent", it's making sure there aren't millions more in poverty.
@LeGioNoFZioN It's a pathetic lie to claim I "only argue emotionally" that is what the hard right does, calling fetuses "babies" and physicians "murderers." Cooking up phony terms like "Partial-birth", and (from many others, not you so far) vicious attacks on women being "sluts" if they have an unwanted pregnancy.
But this despicable attempt to claim pro-choice movement as "racist" is as sleazy, as immoral as it gets. NO, the KKK absolutely DOES NOT support Planned Parenthood or choice.
@PrisonerNumber9653 so far in arguing with me that is how you have argued, go read our exchanges and tell me you honestly feel you weren't being emoitional a few times. I agree the pro choice movement is not inherently racist. although I do call unborn fetuses babies, I haven't in our exchanges here, again, read our previous exchanges. I haven't called abortion providers murderers. Argue against what I say not what you imagine pro life people to argue about.
@LeGioNoFZioN Yes, I get angry as any decent person would when a freedom this vital is threatened, but it remains a flat out lie to claim I only argue on emotion. This is about FACTS, about human rights, about the Constitution of the United States. About freedom.
I do NOT "imagine" that is how anti-choice people argue, I see it every damn day.
Would someone be "arguing from emotion not logic" if they were outraged by an attack on their right to vote? Or free speech?
@PrisonerNumber9653 well then argue with that person you see it form every day and not me, its annoying when one argues with you over something you didn't say and don't advocate. Take the time to read all a person posts before assuming they say something they didn't say
@LeGioNoFZioN Now, do I love PP? I love freedom, I love equality. I also love seeing people who need health care getting it, and there are hundreds of thousands of women who've gotten it from PP who couldn't anywhere else. A close friend discovered she was pregnant, and was uninsured, a boss had promised her insurance and then yanked it. She went to PP, and got all the care she needed. They asked one time if she wanted an abortion, she said no, it was never mentioned again. They save lives.
@PrisonerNumber9653 well congrats to PP for helping your friend. you have a lot of problems in your country, and health care is one of them. would you oppose closing all PP's if you had a universal health care system in which any services can be delivered in hoslitals or through publicly funded clinics ? Would you support tighter federal controls of the health care profession and the elimination of private care ?
@LeGioNoFZioN I would be GREAT with single-payer, and with women's health being part of comprehensive health care for all. What POSSIBLE purpose is there to "shut down" PP, though? Why? What the hell do you have against them, this base-line blind hatred for an organization that's doing nothing wrong?
Yes, I would be dandy with elimination of "private" for-profit care. Health care is a human right. If all PP needed to do was education about family planning, that would still be a great service.
Margaret Sanger NEVER did any abortions she died in the 1960's long before abortion was even made legal Sanger was only for using birth control NOT Abortion there's a huge difference between birth control and abortion learn the difference
White Women have more abortions than anyone since 1973 there's been 55 million abortions over all and 30 million of them have been White Women and only 14 million have been Black Women
@SuperBlackWoman1 I do find it funny you call this propaganda, when convincing black folks to get rid of their own in the name of choice has had more direct impact than american racism on the black family. how close are you with your family ?
@PrisonerNumber9653 sanger may have befriended some blacks, but that doesn't change the way she viewed blacks in general, which is as an inherently inferior people. do your own research, as an interracial man, this woman and eugenics in specific are areas I invested a lot of time reading into, during my teen years and beyond. Don't take my word for it, but if you read enough, you will come to accept what I know to be true
@LeGioNoFZioN How she viewed blacks in general were as victims of inequality and poverty, which she dedicated her LIFE to helping them with. It is a LIE, a LIE, a LIE to claim she viewed them as inferior. SHE DID NOT!
I HAVE done my own research!! YOU HAVE NOT! You claim you've "invested a lot of time into reading" but REFUSE to show where she said any of this.
I will NEVER accept your lies, I KNOW they are lies. I've read them repeatedly, FROM RACIST HATE GROUPS, not her own books.
@PrisonerNumber9653 I did quote the Pivot of Civilization in terms of her support for Eugenics, if you don't want to do the research, not from her alone, but from her compatriots - other like minded people she spent time with you prefer to live in ignorance, -- when you wake up search out this thread and get at me.
@LeGioNoFZioN I HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH!!!! How many DAMN times do you have to be told? I HAVE READ THE DAMNED BOOKS!! Have YOU? Did you read Pivot of Civilization? Do you own this book? Or did you read some hate group claiming to QUOTE from the book? Taking her words OUT OF CONTEXT and perverting their meaning is the oldest stunt in the book.
When I wake up? Your arrogance is stunning. I am awake, I have done the research, and UNLIKE you have done it in the ACTUAL SOURCE MATERIAL.
@PrisonerNumber9653 Eugenics is evil, and Sanger for her efforts to help, also hindered. Look into the Virginia Eugenics board, these people were inspired by Sanger. She does have a negative legacy, one just needs to free oneself of prejudices associated with modern political thought
@LeGioNoFZioN I don't give a damn WHO claims to have been "inspired" by anyone, Sanger DID NOT EVER, EVER, EVER promote negative eugenics.
She has a negative legacy BECAUSE OF PREJUDICES ASSOCIATED WITH MODERN POLITICAL THOUGHT! The anti-choice hate groups have MADE UP her "negative legacy" in order to vicious attack Planned Parenthood. Lying is what anti-choice hate groups do best.
LOL!! The ones that don't fall for aborting their spawn will probably fall for the Philip Morris ad.
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anthonyontherocks 3 days ago
Pushing the tobacco is evil too...But this woman has authored the current society, The great whore is lifted up....
OrHachaim 4 days ago
STFU
tomjackson48 5 days ago
This is the devil in person - this is a hateful evil bitch - what a nasty witch.
Shiftyeyes516 5 days ago
Scary scary broad. Everyone should post this.
whoareyou2me 1 week ago
.............and have sex.
TheAnonFish 1 week ago
Eugenicists shouldn't have kids!!!!!
TheAnonFish 1 week ago
There is a way that seems right to man, but which ends in death.
paulo1149 1 week ago 2
BIRTH CONTROL AND PEACE. PEACE AS LONG AS THE PEOPLE ROBBING US GET TO KEEP ROBBING US. ROBBING ISN'T ENOUGH FOR THIS KABAL. STOP THINKING THEY ARE LOOKING OUT FOR YOU. THEY ARE SETTING YOU UP FOR THE ROYAL EVENT.
sssssjjjj1 1 week ago
Goes to show, the mainstream people are dead fucking weight within this world. No matter what "issue" we deal with, all it takes is "1". 1 person can change this whole world & with 9 billion humans on earth, most of them roup scoups, that concept of "1" fascinates me. Look at Hitler, & Manson if you don't think "1" can change the whole entire world.
GuantanamoMansonWar 1 week ago
She deserved the social abuse she endured, yes it was an intellectual convictions this nasty mess, she sounds like the wicked witch of the west and looks like her too. He father was athiest, she was a child of the devil. Does not want cruelty and killing inocent babies is not cruel. This women was demon possed who's legacy is responsible for killing millions of innocent babies. Since she loved killing babies so much, she will hear the scream of babies for eternity. God shall not be mocked
TheGophers11 1 week ago
@TheGophers11 I really hope this was some sort of joke. If not, you are a lunatic.
TheSoftMachineisaMan 4 hours ago
Yay, planned parenthood! Thank you for supporting women's health by killing tens of millions! Remember when the Media did their job? Those were the days. But advertising sure hasn't changed....
TureRealD 2 weeks ago
what an evil woman; a NWO puppet ahead of her time. In 1980, my dad sat me down and gave me the red pill about the NWO. He was a fantastically wise man, war veteran; who was way ahead of his time; and was dearly punished for it. But I asked my dad, "Well, where are all of the people who would save us from the NWO? He said, "They're being aborted. Or they were, or will be--aborted." I can't help but think he was correct on that one...Thanks in large part to Sanger...
dannysch53 2 weeks ago
anyone know what year this is? thanks
MyDogFulton 2 weeks ago
Evil
wls860 2 weeks ago
she looks like gollum. that is all.
AdellePatricia 2 weeks ago
It's your choice to have sex. Don't have sex, Don't get pregnant.
SNOWINGDINOS 3 weeks ago 3
@SNOWINGDINOS Are you impying that "It's my body, it's my choice" applies to sex as well as abortions!? Are you saying women have the right to turn down sex!? Blasphemy!
Chemdog151 3 weeks ago
fuck this racist bitch margaret sanger
Jrobinson2009 1 month ago 2
lmao, "it's what i call a man's kind of mildness". cough cough cough choke choke choke wheeze wheeze wheeze....
what a beautiful intelligent brave woman, she wasn't perfect - who the fuck is, or was back in those days, just listen to buffoons like mike wallace badger malcolm x, mlk, and the black panthers...
margaret did more for women than a million devout church goers. and still today conservatives want raped women to birth their rapists kid, what a bunch of sick fucks the right is.
tomitstube 1 month ago
@tomitstube Talk about burying your head in the sand....my word....I've never seen such willful ignorance in my life. Your life must be one disappointment after another....
TureRealD 2 weeks ago
@TureRealD ~ margaret sanger was a hero for women's rights. the only one with their "heads in the sand" are all you religious nuts who think your "mission" is to make other people miserable and ignorant like you.
tomitstube 2 weeks ago 2
@tomitstube She's WAS a hero for women's rights, well...except for unborn women, or babies older than 9 months. Did you know she advocated killing babies 9 months after they were born. BTW, how does standing against murder of little children make me religious? And again, what it is that I am ignorant on? Am I missing something? I'm well aware she supported the right of women to kill their children. How does that make me ignorant? Sounds like we might have a bigot on our hands....
TureRealD 2 weeks ago
@tomitstube Oh and BTW, how is that cushy job at Media Matters? You must work for them right? I mean, no sound minded person would stand up for this garbage unless they were employed by them. I sure hope they are paying you a great yearly salary to go and find measly comment sections for you to spread progressive propaganda. I hope, in the end, it was worth working for George Soros when you come to find you sold your soul for 30 pieces of silver. LOL...good luck...."women's rights" LOL!!
TureRealD 2 weeks ago
Just look at that endorsement whore Mike Wallace. Mister "Stand up for Margaet Sanger" while pimping smokes...just like he was TOLD to do. PUNK.
MegaBeerwolf 1 month ago
By the way, I don't know when this interview took place, but if it was in 1950, the population of Japan was 44 million fewer than it is today.
Japan Population:
1950: 83.2 million
2010: 127 million
Japan today is the most equal society on the planet, and no one starves or goes hungry. Technology will make fools of the Malthusian every single time. People are not horses, they are not delimited by the amount of grassland they have access to.
tigerone1970 1 month ago
Stupid, racist fanatics.
Sanger: "Take Japan. And she cannot feed... the best experts say they have 20 million more people than she can feed. She's got to be fed outside, in some way."
Japan today is the most equal society in the world. There is no hunger in Japan. Why? Social policy, the car industry, and lots of value added through production. Technology. Like any malthusian, she never counted on technology improving to where more food can be produced than can be consumed.
tigerone1970 1 month ago
Cynical, dishonest right-wing propoganda. The same right-wing that denied African-Americans their rights, and still work to deny them economic justice and basic services, have invented a false history for the purpose of exploiting blacks all over again. Among the many cynical aspects of this right-wing crusade is the assumption that the African-American community is more receptive to a sexist message. Btw Sanger opposed abortion and believed in individual, not state control, of family planning.
tenagnek 2 months ago
@tenagnek did that guy just smoke on TV and then advertise it to Everyone?!?! What the HELL lol.
alvisc2002 1 month ago
@tenagnek As far as Margaret Sanger goes, early on she did advocate for mandatory sterilization, particularly of blacks, Irish(despite the fact that she was of Irish background), and Jews. If you are curious, she authored several books, such as her own written Pivot of Civilization, not to mention her harder to come by Birth Control Review that would show, at minimum, in the early stage of her career, she believed in these ideas.
null98Jeff 1 month ago
Look this woman killed more blacks, jews, arabs, mexicans, lower class whites, then any hate group, in the womb even. You look yourself in the mirror and tell me that "abortion is okay" "Abortion is my right". Bottom line: Margerat Sanger is early NWO.
MrPreston2113 2 months ago 18
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" Bottom line: Margerat Sanger is early NWO. "
The 'pro choice' people are doing themselves a big disservice by not distancing themselves from the eugenicists.
Saying a woman has a right to choose: good. Saying a doctor has the right to choose for her: bad.
Even targeting voluntary contraception at specific population groups only is crossing the line.
tigerone1970 1 month ago
@MrPreston2113 yeah shes a fuckin piece of shit just like her masters.
k5lta 3 weeks ago
@MrPreston2113 Sanger was an evil woman and the Queen of Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest killer of children--paid for with millions of your tax dollars!
pwthcim 1 week ago
@wickedslyfox I don't care if you're a woman, it makes you fighting AGAINST equality for women all the more disgusting. "Abstinance" DOES NOT FUCKING WORK!!! THIS IS A PROVEN FACT!! People are GOING to have sex and to blame the VICTIMS of unwanted pregnancies, and punish them for LIFE because puritans don't want them having sex is the polar opposite of the freedom this nation is based upon. Telling adults "just don't have sex" is cruel and stupid, and doesn't ever, ever, EVER work.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
Another Jewish mentally deranged psychopath,I wonder How her Rabi felt about her "Accomplishment"
Maxantium 3 months ago
@wickedslyfox Ah the sexist bullshit of attacking women for unwanted pregnancies--never the man, of course, just the woman. Ignoring that a HUGE number of unwanted pregnancies are the result of failings of birth control. They ARE being responsible, and part of being responsible is MAKING DECISIONS FOR YOURSELF.
There you are BLAMING OTHERS FOR MISTAKES then saying not to do that, remarkably two-faced.
The sexism and hate of anti-choice thugs is seen again.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
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Modern eugenics is not a racist weapon used to exterminate inferior races, but a universal genetic tool that improves the genomes of all races. For example, about 2% of blacks have a gene that enables them to consume large amounts of saturated fat without any rise in the blood's cholesterol. I have very high level of blood's cholesterol and I believe that everyone should have this beneficial gene.
polka23dot 3 months ago
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"At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world." - Charles Darwin (Descent, vol. I, page 201)
polka23dot 3 months ago
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"I wish very much that the wrong people could be prevented entirely from breeding; and when the evil nature of these people is sufficiently flagrant, this should be done. Criminals should be sterilised and feeble-minded persons forbidden to leave offspring behind them... the emphasis should be laid on getting desirable people to breed." - Theodore Roosevelt
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Average IQ levels according to Richard Lynn: Ashkenazi Jews (110), East Asians (105), Europeans (99), Inuit (91), Southeast Asians and Amerindians (87 each), Pacific Islanders (85), South Asians/North Africans including Middle Easterners (84), Non-Bushmen Sub-Saharan Africans (67), Australian Aborigines (62), Bushmen and Pygmies (54), Homo Erectus (50), Apes (22), and Monkeys (12).
polka23dot 3 months ago
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Estimates in the academic research of the heritability of IQ have varied from below 0.5 to a high of 0.9. A 1996 statement by the American Psychological Association gave about .45 for children and about .75 during and after adolescence... The New York Times Magazine has listed about three quarters as a figure held by the majority of studies. source: h t t p : / /e n.wikipedia.o r g/wiki/Heritability_of_IQ (remove spaces from the link)
polka23dot 3 months ago
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A 60-page review of the scientific evidence has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic. source: w w w .news-medical.n e t /news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx (remove spaces from the link)
polka23dot 3 months ago
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People who have physical or mental disability need special treatment. They should not have children, and they should receive financial compensation (monthly payments) so that they can live in comfort despite their disability.
Modern scientific researchers such as psychologist Richard Lynn, psychologist Raymond Cattell, and scientist Gregory Stock have called for eugenic policies using modern technology.
polka23dot 3 months ago
@polka23dot you claim Eugenics is not what we all think it is yet you argue for the very things we think is wrong and racist about eugenics, you want to play God with the human race and that is not our place. Live your life, I'll live mine, and let people make their own choices.
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
She took psychotic medication. An indication of this is the side effect of the facial grimacing.
loler4eva 3 months ago
She didn't like suffering or cruelty. That's rich.
saintoccasionally 3 months ago
@saintoccasionally Not rich, just truth. Like so many ignorant people, you've fallen for a pack of lies. Here is the TRUTH--Sanger was NOT a racist, did NOT support Eugenics, and HATED Hitler and the Nazis.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
"it helped break up her first marriage" hahahaha. Nothing else huh?
holliehox9 4 months ago
lol@phllip Morris ass kissing
demarcos69 4 months ago
Bahahhhhaaaaaa, she says she doesn't like to see people suffer, my ass!!! (Excuse my French.) She's the founder of the biggest abortion provider in America! Ughh, what a creeperface!
ilikecats40111 4 months ago
@ilikecats40111 Planned Parenthood PREVENTS tremendous amounts of suffering. They provide health care to women whom NOBODY else will help. You just prove again that anti-choice radicals pretend to care deeply about embryos and fetuses, but don't give a damn about human beings, especially women.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 So killing babies is health care?
ilikecats40111 3 months ago
@ilikecats40111 Abortion is absolutely part of comprehensive health care. And it is absolutely NOT killing babies. One has to bear in mind that if the hard right anti-choice movement had any legitimate standing or point to make, these falsehoods and appeals to hysterical emotion about "tiny babies" and "innocent lives snuffed out" wouldn't be all they had to offer. Of course, that they ignore the massive amounts of suffering anti-choice laws do cause, and Planned Parenthood does prevent, is key.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Um, yes, it is a child that is living in his/her mother's womb. If he's not a human being, what kind of being is he? You should be glad your mother chose life.
ilikecats40111 3 months ago
@ilikecats40111 It is an embryo, a fetus. it is NOT a baby.
My mother CHOSE life. I would NOT be glad to have the decision FORCED upon her by fascists like yourself who don't give a damn about her rights, or her ability to make a decision based upon what's best for her and what she thinks is right. Guess what, jackass, my mom's about a thousand times smarter than you, and far more capable of making a responsible decision.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Fetus means "child" or "young one" in Latin!
ilikecats40111 3 months ago
@ilikecats40111 Actually, no, it doesn't. You guys gotta quit getting your "facts" from right wing hate groups. A fetus is not a child. It means "hatchling" or, indeed "young ones" is one, NOT "child." A fetus isn't a baby. Anti-choicers depend on dishonest language like this (there's no such thing as a "partial-birth abortion" and sexist attacks on women, calling them "sluts" and slurring them for "opening their legs," there's no ATTEMPT to view women as equals.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@ilikecats40111 -You're completely brainwashed by Right Wing Propaganda Margaret Sanger never did any abortions she died in the 1960's long before abortion was even made legal Sanger was only for using birth control NOT Abortion there's a huge difference between birth control and abortion learn the difference
White Women have more abortions than anyone since 1973 there's been 55 million abortions over all and 30 million of them have been White Women and only 14 million have been Black Women
SuperBlackWoman1 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Women should not be given the choice to have their child murdered. I'm all for rights, but it this case, I'm for the baby's right to live.
ilikecats40111 3 months ago
@ilikecats40111 It's not a child, or a baby, it is NOT being murdered, and to pretend an embryo's rights are more important than a woman's is insanity. This is the same stupid mindset that gave us laws against birth control, viewing every sperm as "sacred", it's based in utter ignorance of fetal development and moronic puritanical attitudes towards sexuality.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
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Margaret Sanger was a cruel woman, who wanted nothing more than to have African American babies die. She's creepy.
ilikecats40111 4 months ago
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K131399 4 months ago
What a pity that instead of their usual slanderous lies about people who are at least alive to defend themselves and correct the record, the hard right is now slandering Sanger long after her death. She was not remotely racist, NEVER said many of the quotes attributed to her--some out of context, some said by others in journals she produced, some pure fiction.
She was a close friend of WEB DuBois and Martin Luther King, neither gentleman was known to hang out with racists a whole lot.
PrisonerNumber9653 5 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 how the hell can you say Sanger or any Eugenicist is not racist ? to argue that position you must be white ... support for Eugenics is in itself racist.
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN It's a fact. Margaret Sanger was NOT a Eugenicist, and WAS NOT A RACIST. In ANY way. VERY VERY few people of her time did MORE to help black people. I do not support Eugenics, nor did Sanger, and I am NOT a racist. Yes, I'm white--I've also been a member of the NAACP for over 20 years.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I hope that kool aid is sweet ... because its a nasty pack of lies you swallowed. NAACP membership does not mean a thing, but some people just never get it. you say Sanger was not what she was, yet she associated with, and was in high standing among eugenicists. If you hang out with the KKklan 15 hours a week but aren't officially a member does that mean you have no affiliation ? think with your head, not with sound bites.
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN I've not swallowed any lies, I've unlike you ACTUALLY READ HER WORK. It is YOU believing the pack of flies. She did not, did not EVER hang out with the Klan, she HATED them and what they stood for. The hypocrisy of you swallowing DOCUMENTED LIES from hard right hate groups then saying "think with your head not sound bites" is hysteria.
She "associated" with eugenicists? Really? She ALSO associated with WEB DuBois, and was strongly supported by Martin Luther King. Were they racist?
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I never said she hung with the klan I was using an analogy as her commiseration with Eugenics proponents is documented. She was a proponent of negative eugenics -- social construction through the limitation of procreation of undesireable peoples (ie non white, non affluent). this is in the Pivot of Civilization. For someone who claims to have read her, you seem to skip over the inconvenient parts. just because you hang with a few black people and have black friends...
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN They are NOT "documented" they are CLAIMED by hate groups with no credibilty. This vile LIE that she viewed non white or non affluent people as "undesirable" is absolute vomit, she said NOTHING of the sort and did NOT view them as undesirable at all. EVER.
I haven't skipped any parts, I've read what she REALLY wrote, not what hate crimes CLAIM she wrote. Now, where in HER OWN WRITINGS did you find reference to blacks as "undesirable"? In what book?
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 ...does not mean one has no racists thoughts feelings, or attitudes. I acknowledge she advocated for coercion when it came to sterilization over compulsory action of the state, but just because she was 25% the monster Hitler's scientists were doesn't make her a hero or any less villain. She advocated for abortions during a period where we didn't know what the effects of abortion were and before modern contraceptives were introduced ... she is a complex character ..
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN Yeah, that she was strongly supported by DuBois and MLK is a pretty good sign she wasn't this "racist" the hard right's painter her as. She was not a "monster" in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER, she WAS a hero and not a villian AT ALL. The "effects of abortion" are a LIE, and that there were still not contraceptives makes her advocacy of reproductive choice all the more vital. Yes, complex character, true...but also victim of a great number of lies.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 it is hard for most white folks to get this, being professional, or nice to or getting along with other races is not an example of the absense of racism, it simply means one is sophisticated enough to bear the evil in ones soul all the time. If you try to tell someone you aren't racist because you have a black friend, it makes you a joke and suspect. It proves nothing. ... this is getting too deep for youtube, send me an email
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN And being a member of the NAACP is nowhere CLOSE to the only thing that makes me NOT be a racist, NOTHING makes me a racist at all. Nothing. "Evil in my soul"? Now you're saying I'm evil because I won't be snowed by a PACK OF LIES? I don't claim to have read the books, I HAVE READ THE BOOKS. Now, WHERE are these quotes you CLAIM? In what book? Where?
I'm fully aware there are hate groups spreading phony Sanger quotes, and you're following them and not actually reading the books
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 ... so while I acknowledge she meant well, her ignorance unavoidable due to the times she lived through, but the effects of her life and advocacy are no less detrimental ... had Dr King understood the effect of her advocacy would lead to African Americans loss as the rightful primary minority and eventual place as the new majority he would not have been ok with that.
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN What "ignorance"? You still are falling for hate groups lies, she did not advocate anything that was based in ignorance. There are no "detrimental" affects of her life, she was an extremely rare white woman fighting for justice and equality for black women, a great hearo.
Your babble about "rightful primary minority and new majority" is ridiculous nonsense. Her advocacy didn't cause harm to blacks, and King didn't care about being "the new majority".
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 wow do you live your whole life in such a state of denial ? you said you read her book, but claim she had no racist or elitist inclinations which she clearly did. All Eugenicists did. I actually feel kind of sorry for you. I am well versed in this topic, and if you would like, send me an email and we can talk about this privately, I haven't made anything up, and if you want to be educated, I would love to help you on your way.
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN Knowing the facts and not being snowed by propaganda and hate group lies is NOT a "state of denial." She did NOT "clearly have racist or elitist inclinations," and reading her books PROVES this. She was NOT a Eugenicist. I asked before where these quotes from her books are, and there's STILL a big empty space there. You're NOT well-versed in the subject, you've been taught the lies well and parrot the lies well. You didn't make this up, OTHERS made it up and you just parrot them.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 being at work, I don't have the time to reference literature I have at home, but if you go to the wikipiedia page for her, and go to the eugenics and race sections they will refer you to sources you can investigate on your own time. its footnoted, so you know some "right winger" didn't just change the page. Sanger lived at a time when whites even when they worked side by side with blacks, still never respected them or thought of them as equal, this is the definition of racism
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN I'll look forward to seeing them, because I've seen ALL these lies repeatedly, and they ALL can be 100% debunked. Do you own her books? Wikipedia is FULL of lies, ANYONE can post on there. I can go post that she batted .268 for the 1934 Detroit Tigers. The Wiki on Sanger POINTS OUT THAT HATE GROUPS ARE MISLEADING PEOPLE WITH THE QUOTES!
It is a LIE to claim she did not respect blacks, it is a LIE to say she didn't view them as equal. It's preposterous to claim her "racist".
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 you are getting too emotional while disregarding the information I have given you, while you scream for more information .... you clearly are partisan and incapable of real dialogue. All the best to you on your journey.
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN Yeah, I'm getting PISSED OFF, I've spent my life fighting against bigotry and when I see it it's infuriating. Margaret Sanger is the victim of hate right hate groups, and it's one thing to be a tool for such groups but to tell those who aren't "you need to do the research" when I've READ THE BOOKS, I've DONE THE RESEARCH, you're damn right I'm getting mad, because I know what this is REALLY about, robbing women, especially black women, of their right to choose.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
I'm ABSOLUTELY capable of real dialogue. Show me in the book where ANYTHING you claim was said...not quoted from someone else, in her own writings. You've been asked repeatedly if you'd actually read her books, and I'm assuming your failure to answer is the answer. I'm very well capable of real dialogue, you don't want that...you want to snow people with lies and have them not be questioned, you're not ready to back up your claims with, you know, facts and stuff.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN THIS VIDEO IS REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDA BULLSHIT
-I'm a black woman who believes in the woman's right to choice the Government doesn't have the right to force women to give birth that's fascism America is a Free Country women have the right to choose.This video is nothing but Republican Propaganda Bullshit only 5% what planned parenthood does is abortion
Margaret Sanger never did any abortions she died in the 1960's long before abortion was even made legal in 1973
SuperBlackWoman1 3 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 You are an embarrassment to black people period. Especially black women you have no knowledge of who the woman is about except to say such rubbish . Google "Approximate Number of African American Death Since 1973" and tell me how close to 14 million dead African Americans as a result of this woman actions and come back and tell me what you find. Pathetic. Prof James Bonner is entirely correct, a fact which still stands to this day. Go to worldwatch(dot)org
Maxantium 3 months ago
@Maxantium -You're completely brainwashed by Right Wing Propaganda Margaret Sanger never did any abortions she died in the 1960's long before abortion was even made legal Sanger was only for using birth control NOT Abortion there's a huge difference between birth control and abortion learn the difference
White Women have more abortions than anyone since 1973 there's been 55 million abortions over all and 30 million of them have been White Women and only 14 million have been Black Women
SuperBlackWoman1 3 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 "55 million abortions over all and 30 million of them have been White Women and only 14 million have been Black Women" and we only make up 14% -28% of the population and you dont find that amount alarming and disproportionately high ? Posting these numbers further prove how much of F***king sellout brainwashed idiot you are. Go watch the dvd "Hidden Colors" Bitch !
Maxantium 2 months ago
@Maxantium It is a sick, disgusting LIE to claim "14 million dead African-Americans," "this woman's actions" did NOTHING but help give women the CHOICE which you want to ROB them of, and she has helped MILLIONS of black women, and harmed NONE.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Did you search google ? IF not do so and the numbers will speak for themselves. Here is your search criteria "Approximate Number of African American Death Since 1973" when you do tell me am lying then , the numbers dont lie. This is for the same reasons you dont see Liquor stores in white neighbor hoods silly. FAIL !
Maxantium 3 months ago
@Maxantium -You must be a Right Wing Retard you keep repeating the same Propaganda Lie even after its been proven to be a lie abortion has nothing to do with race and Margaret Sanger NEVER did any abortions
Stop getting your information from idiots like Glenn Beck and Right Wing Websites
SuperBlackWoman1 3 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 No you dimwit , I hate Glenn Beck and all of the Faux News idiots. Am black dummy. Did you google what i suggested before you open your halitosis mouth. You must be either old or one of those Jesus freaks who accepts everything the pastor tells you including the dumb deacons too. Have you watched all of Sanger's video interviews and read at least 1 of her book ? YES or NO answer please ? Do i have top remind you not to lie when you answer ?
Maxantium 3 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 Here is the google search criteria AGAIN ! Google the following "Approximate Number of African American Death Since 1973". Lets take your statement @ face value>>"abortion has nothing to do with race & Margaret Sanger NEVER did any abortions",then is it sensible to also believe that raping your son/daughter didn't CONTRIBUTE in DEVIANT behavior as a result his/her experience ? THINK DUMMY THINK. I guess i could do to u as i please and u will get on with life like clock work
Maxantium 3 months ago
@Maxantium -You must be mentally retarded you keep telling the same lie over and over even after its been proven to be a lie you must be a gullible weak minded person turn off Fox News and stop believing propaganda bullshit.Everybody knows Margaret Sanger NEVER did any abortions she died before abortion was even made legal
Only the Supreme Court can over turn abortion and Republicans have full control in the Supreme Court getting rid of planned parenthood is not going to stop abortion
SuperBlackWoman1 3 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 Am not against abortion by any stretch of the imagination silly, as i sed b4 i dont acribe to Faux New or any propogating body , i read and stay informed and you should too asshole. You are the perfect reason why WOMEN are NEVER SEEN AS A THREAT TO SOCIETY. A sheeple you are .
Maxantium 3 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 Is it normal to have so many liquor stores in black neighborhood but none in white neighborhoods ? IS it normal that blacks get pull over more than any other groups but us ? Is it normal that FREDDIE MAC intentionally red-lines black neighborhoods against getting home loans ? Is it normal that black have only 1 bank in the country [California] and any attempts to get our own banks gets shot down by congress ?
Maxantium 3 months ago
@Maxantium -The NAACP give Margaret Sanger a lifetime achievement award in 1962 for helping black women with health care most of Sanger's best friends were black.Stop believing these lies and propaganda Right Wing Extremists have been making up propaganda videos and websites to try to defund planned parenthood the same way they did with accorn when only 5% of planned parenthood does has to do with abortion they mostly just provide health care for women who don't health care
SuperBlackWoman1 3 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 Davide Duke has black friends too. The bad far outweighs the good. The award of 1962 is over 40 years old and @ the time it was awarded was way too early to realize it true and real intent. I guess in your feeble mind you were to recive an award a year ago and 5 years later you massacred 100 people that award should still serve as a litmus test to your character for the death of the 100 ! You logic is stupefying .
Maxantium 3 months ago
@Maxantium I won't even try to get into today's continued injustice, including red lining black districts to turn them into ghettos, then buying up the real estate at a fraction of its true value, before gentrifying it for resale and much higher prices. But i guess you will call this a RIGHT WING COINCIDENCE TOO. Smh
Maxantium 3 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 You need to change your name to "Unintelligent Dumb Black woman" Brainwashed black people like you makes my blood BOIL. Matter of fact go read the book , "BRAINWASHED" by Tom Burrell & "YURUGU" by Dr. Marimba Ani . Search on YouTube and watch "Dr Ivan Van Sertima - Black Woman In Antiquity", maybe just MAYBE you will get YOUR BEARINGS BACK.
Maxantium 3 months ago
@Maxantium You ARE lying. Abortion does NOT "kill African-Americans." A fetus is not an "African-American." Reproductive rights SAVE LIVES, especially those of poor women.
I'm GREAT with anything that gets liquor stores, gun shops, and lotto dealers out of black neighborhoods. THAT is where the destruction's coming from.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I read all you comments , all i have said stands , go read. I am not interested in having any conversations with you.
Maxantium 2 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 I am well aware of Sanger's apprehension of abortion, but does it not even bother you that PP has been responsible for more black deaths than the klan or diseases of any kind ? while I don't agree with abortion I wouldn't ban it altogether in case of rape or incest I don't think the law or the government should be able to intervene. that said black people in america will never have their due, in large part thanks to PP.
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN Vile KKK lies. Planned Parenthood has SAVED thousands of black lives, it's never EVER taken one. Blacks will never have their due "in large part thanks to Planned Parenthood"? That's VOMIT! PP has HELPED black families tremendously, they're not holding blacks back, people like YOU are. Blacks are NOT helped by having unwanted pregnancies.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I call shenanigans on you individual ... saved in what orwellian age do you live in ? how do you call the taking of lives the saving of lives ? while I agree unwanted pregnancies often don't help anyone, the situation is more complex than PP saves lives by ending lives. how the hell would what I said be a KKK lie ? the KKK loves PP, they give money when they can. It helps accomplish their goals without them getting their hands dirty.
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN It is NOT the taking of lives. THOUSANDS of women have had their lives SAVED because they were not physically able to carry a pregnancy to term. ALL the abortions Dr. Tiller performed were for the life and health of the mother. PP does NOT "end lives," your life begins when you are BORN, an embryo is not a 'child'
The KKK loves PP? BULL, they do NOT. Show me ONE FUCKING DIME given to PP by the Klan.
Their goals are to harm blacks, PP helps blacks. POLAR OPPOSITES.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 wow you are either brainwashed, or you must be an abortion doctor, you must make a living off of this in order to be living is such a world of denial and schadenfreude .... do you seriously think of all the millions of abortions that have occurred in your country that most or even half were to protect the life of the mother ? you probably think partial birth abortion is ok too ... why does the KKK love PP, it should be obvious they reduce the amount of non whites in society
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN There is no such thing as an "abortion doctor," I am not in denial, I am informed and know the facts here and see through these lies.
NO, I do NOT pretend all abortion is to save the life of the woman, I DO think every one was what the mother thought was best for her life at that time...HER CHOICE. Sometimes it's because of finances, they cannot afford another child. Or the dad split. She's too young, trying to finish education. Going to lose her job. There are LOTS of reasons.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
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@LeGioNoFZioN There is no such thing as "Partial-Birth Abortion," it does not exist. And, if you actually knew what the hell you were talking about, you would KNOW it is OK. That procedure is ONLY used when a fetus is non-viable, is ALREADY going to die, and the alternative is major surgery. To demand women undergo major surgery because the VASTLY safer procedure looks icky is nothing but butchery. It remains a LIE to claim the KKK love PP, they DO NOT.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I live in a country where it is not illegal and trust me, PTA are done. you are far too partisan on this, and you must be employed by these people. You give no ground in an argument, when I will. You show little good faith, and make sweeping statements not held up by logic of any kind. you argue emotionally instead of on the facts. You sad the KKK loves PP, because you love PP. But what could a racist love more than organizations that lessens the # of people they hate
LeGioNoFZioN 2 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN It remains a flat-out lie to claim I work for anyone associated with PP or any other women's health care provider. If you think only those PAID to support the right to choose really do support it, it's not I too "partisan."
No, I don't give ground in an argument when a woman's rights and equality are at stake, nor when something's just flat out not true. I do give ground when shown I'm wrong. There's nothing illogical about equality. more
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 you sound like someone who can't argue over theoretical grounds ... which means you have something invested in the topic otherwise you could at least engage openly and honestly. you may not make your living through the industry but you are clearly too close to it to be objective. Its funny you associate abortion rights as being about equality, while I see it the opposite. Its freed up the generation before mine and mine to be ....
LeGioNoFZioN 2 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN Still absolutely pathetic lies. I do NOT have anything "invested" in this but a commitment to justice, and knowledge of the situation, far more than you have. Engage openly and honestly? I've done NOTHING but engage openly and honestly. I'm nowhere near "too close". I've not set foot in a PP office in over 20 years. I don't need their services, but a great deal of women DO. That's what it's about, compassion for OTHER PEOPLE. No matter the issue, the right never seems to get that.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 its compassion that drives us both, but our ways of viewing and understanding the world are different which brings us to 2 different conclusions about the same topic ... let me put this clearly for you, I have friends and family who have gone through abortions and I don't try to make them uncomfortable because I disagree with their decisions, but I cry, sometimes uncontrollably over the decisions and wasted lives ... especially when it comes to my own family
LeGioNoFZioN 2 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN Wasted lives? You're searching desperately for something to cry over, do you cry for the "wasted lives" of birth control? Is there some purpose to wanting as many people as possible, even if they're in horrible, miserable conditions?
Where are your tears for the REAL wasted lives, those of young women forced into motherhood who lose any hope of a real education or a real future? Who instead work their lives away bagging groceries and then flipping burgers to pay the babysitter?
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 We've got resources enough to educate them. Thousands are looking for education. Thousands are looking to teach. We've got tons of food, clothing, and shelter all going to waste because no one is willing to offer it to those who need it.
The problem is NOT the children. It is a lack of charity, even among the poor who can even spare a little. And certainly among the rich who can spare much. What good is wealth if it is not shared? THAT is the real waste of a life.
SorokChyetirye 2 months ago
@SorokChyetirye What "resources" do you have so a single mom can get a college degree? You're going to provide day care for six or eight hours a day, and food and housing for this family? Right...
You're right about resources being unequally distributed, that's a problem of our society and system in general, which has nothing to do with reproductive choice except forcing women into motherhood just makes it a lot worse.
YOU say children aren't a problem, fine, YOU choose not to have an abortion.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Each of us alone may not have enough (unless you are Bill Gates, or Warren Buffett). But when we all work together, and center our efforts on the Lord, who gives all help, we can feed many mouths. What do you think homeless shelters or the Salvation Army are, the work of one man alone? No; these things are community efforts. We, the poor, must work together to help the poorer than the poor.
SorokChyetirye 2 months ago
@SorokChyetirye I've spent a lifetime working with non-profits (not Salvation Army, who I deeply dislike for their vile discrimination AND right wing politics) that is NOT the answer. It will never come CLOSE to working. We need a change in economic system, we cannot take 46 million people in poverty and just let them live on the crumbs. Community efforts should be the ENTIRE community viewing people as equals, not "the poor" as if God made them to be poor. God made them EQUAL.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
You say murder isn't fine? Fine. YOU choose not to kill someone while homicidal maniacs rove the streets.
You say there is no God? Fine. You go on as an unbeliever, and I will continue worshipping Him.
You say all morals are relative? Fine. You go bumbling about in relativism while sane people work for what is morally right and good.
Those kinds of arguments are not arguments at all; they're just an attempt to dodge the question: is this wrong, or not?
SorokChyetirye 2 months ago 6
@SorokChyetirye Abortion is NOT murder, that's an absurd comparison. Please show me where I said "There is no God." I'm a devout and committed Christian. No, all morals are NOT relative, robbing women of equality is NEVER right. "Relativism" is the right's made up term for "follow our morals, not yours", and they have warped ones.
Is it wrong or not? I say no, you say yes, that is a decision EACH PERSON MAKES FOR THEMSELVES, what's TRULY wrong is forcing your morals on others.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@SorokChyetirye Charity isn't the answer, a complete change in the system which is built on greed and profit and not what's best for human beings is needed, but again that's got nothing to do with what's being discussed here. You're absolutely right, wealth SHOULD be shared, God didn't bless this world with enough for everyone so a few could have a nine-car garage and private jet while homeless people sleep in the bushes next to my church.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 It has everything to do with what's being discussed. We would not even be discussing birth control in a perfect world, as children would not even be considered a burden. They would be what God meant for them to be: a gift from Himself. Matthew 18:5, Mark 9:37, and Luke 9:48, for a reference.
And children are a gift - but not in a society based on greed and selfishness. Charity is the solution - the sharing of wealth so that it multiplies and does good - is the solution.
SorokChyetirye 2 months ago
@SorokChyetirye Actually, no it ISN'T part of this discussion. I'm talking about the difference between "charity", a dandy idea which has failed miserably, or changing the system to one with real economic justice, a real sharing of wealth among all people as God intended, also known as Socialism. And, you're right, people WOULD be far more able to care for children in that setting.
And it would STILL be horribly wrong to deny women the CHOICE to stay pregnant or not.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Hah! Marx is as pie-in-the-sky as I am! And far more violent.
The way I see it, socialism - or, real Christian charity - are impossible in this world. For charity to work, we would need to all be perfect, as only perfect people are perfectly charitable. No government, no matter how sophisticated, can lead people to give what they do not want to - at least not without violating their right to property.
SorokChyetirye 2 months ago
@SorokChyetirye Marx isn't and wasn't remotely violent. Charity won't work, an economy based on justice and equality WILL.
Government can't lead people to give what they don't want? So, you're saying every dollar of taxes we bring in now is voluntary?
There's no "right to property". That's a man-made and un-Christian lie. People have a right to health care, to enough to eat, to housing, to education, NOT to hoard luxury while others starve. "Right to property" means greed.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN There's nothing remotely "funny" about associating reproductive choice with equality. It IS about equality. Men have the right to become fathers, and women to become mothers, WHEN THEY CHOOSE not when the government directs it.
It's ridiculous to say it freed people up to be sexually active and pretend that's a BAD thing. Nothing could be more idiotic than to return the puritan mindset of the past, which was 100% about women as property. Men screwed around all along.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 well to this end I agree, I am not advocating for a return to puritan society, women are individuals and no individual should ever be property, including children. Sexual activity is not good or bad, it can be either depending on the individuals involved. what responsible adults choose I have no say in, but I would prefer that abortion not be used as a form of birth control, and unfortunately I know some women who have used it as such
LeGioNoFZioN 2 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN Yeah, I do too. I would PREFER that not happen, also. I'd prefer people not smoke cigarettes, either, but I'm not going to say it should be banned. I'll support anti-smoking campaigns, and family planning.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 ... I have one friend, really an acquaintance, someone I know but don't spend a lot of time with, who was offended her doc advised her she needed to consider alternatives because the amount of abortions she had gone through may threaten her life and ability to reproduce. its not like access to knowledge about safe choices is hard to come by. hell we had access in elementary school, junior high and high school no charge.
LeGioNoFZioN 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 ... the most sexually active and adventurous generations ever. Men are freed from our obligation to the women we sleep with, so we can sleep with more women and when one gets pregnant we are free to hide from our duties and responsibilities and can complain we weren't consulted about having a child. I don't complain being the beneficiary of this, but I certainly don't call it equality.
LeGioNoFZioN 2 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN You just made MY point and showed why equality cannot exist without reproductive choice. Yes, the man can walk away. The woman, without choice, cannot. She's given a life sentence, her life often totally destroyed because puritans want to punish her for not being chaste and pure, an idiotic goal. Our society chuckles at young men "going out and getting some," but a woman who's a "slut" is the lowest. Even parents have double standards with their own kids.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I know this is nothing new, but the freedom gained through this newfound equality is in itself inequal. Men are freed where they weren't before. Society could shun or malign the man before, social pressures came to bear on a man who spread his seed everywhere ... shotgun weddings and "making an honest woman of her" ... all that kind ... its evidence by modern numbers, because single parent families have never been as prevalent as now
LeGioNoFZioN 2 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN Horsecrap. It's not "inequal," and it's absurd to think we should go back to shotgun weddings. "Social pressure" to marry someone you do not love is idiotic, and does NOT make society the slightest bit better.
Single parent families are fine if that's the mother's choice. If it's NOT, that's why reproductive choice is vital, and necessary to equality.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 But allowing men to rape and/or not take responsibility for the seeds they have planted is also inexcusable. It's reducing them to spoiled brats you are advocating. Real men raise their children.
We're not asking for "social pressure". We're asking men to live up to the balls they claim to have and raise their children like REAL men.
And while single parenthood is sometimes inevitable, it should NOT be an ideal, definitely not encouraged. It's difficult going it alone.
SorokChyetirye 2 months ago
@SorokChyetirye What a pack of lies. No, moron, I'm not "reducing" anyone to "spoiled brats". You want to force the woman to keep an unwanted pregnancy, THEN force the father to marry someone he doesn't love, and call that a "family"? Great.
It doesn't take "balls" it takes gall. If a woman WANTS to have the child and hit dad up for child support, great. I'm all for it. If she DOESN'T, that's her right.
Nobody is idealizing single parenthood, we just stopped blaming the for actions of adults.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Not at all. Teach the men, for their youth, that they are to be responsible for their actions. Prevent problems from arising by teaching children (perhaps with the current generation) what happens when you are irresponsible.
Hit up the fathers for child support and force them to take responsibility for their actions? Good idea. Support struggling single parents? Also good. Killing the innocence because their mothers are burdened with financial and life problems? Stupidity.
SorokChyetirye 2 months ago
@SorokChyetirye Ah, teach responsibility! That's great. Except then what? I'm GREAT with comprehensive sex education, and preventing unwanted pregnancies, which actually WILL work. Trying to force men into marrying someone they don't love because they're pregnant not only won't work, but shouldn't be tried. That's not a family, and only leads to a lifetime of resentment and bitterness.
This is NOT "killing the innocent", it's making sure there aren't millions more in poverty.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN It's a pathetic lie to claim I "only argue emotionally" that is what the hard right does, calling fetuses "babies" and physicians "murderers." Cooking up phony terms like "Partial-birth", and (from many others, not you so far) vicious attacks on women being "sluts" if they have an unwanted pregnancy.
But this despicable attempt to claim pro-choice movement as "racist" is as sleazy, as immoral as it gets. NO, the KKK absolutely DOES NOT support Planned Parenthood or choice.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 so far in arguing with me that is how you have argued, go read our exchanges and tell me you honestly feel you weren't being emoitional a few times. I agree the pro choice movement is not inherently racist. although I do call unborn fetuses babies, I haven't in our exchanges here, again, read our previous exchanges. I haven't called abortion providers murderers. Argue against what I say not what you imagine pro life people to argue about.
LeGioNoFZioN 2 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN Yes, I get angry as any decent person would when a freedom this vital is threatened, but it remains a flat out lie to claim I only argue on emotion. This is about FACTS, about human rights, about the Constitution of the United States. About freedom.
I do NOT "imagine" that is how anti-choice people argue, I see it every damn day.
Would someone be "arguing from emotion not logic" if they were outraged by an attack on their right to vote? Or free speech?
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 well then argue with that person you see it form every day and not me, its annoying when one argues with you over something you didn't say and don't advocate. Take the time to read all a person posts before assuming they say something they didn't say
LeGioNoFZioN 2 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN Now, do I love PP? I love freedom, I love equality. I also love seeing people who need health care getting it, and there are hundreds of thousands of women who've gotten it from PP who couldn't anywhere else. A close friend discovered she was pregnant, and was uninsured, a boss had promised her insurance and then yanked it. She went to PP, and got all the care she needed. They asked one time if she wanted an abortion, she said no, it was never mentioned again. They save lives.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 well congrats to PP for helping your friend. you have a lot of problems in your country, and health care is one of them. would you oppose closing all PP's if you had a universal health care system in which any services can be delivered in hoslitals or through publicly funded clinics ? Would you support tighter federal controls of the health care profession and the elimination of private care ?
LeGioNoFZioN 2 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN I would be GREAT with single-payer, and with women's health being part of comprehensive health care for all. What POSSIBLE purpose is there to "shut down" PP, though? Why? What the hell do you have against them, this base-line blind hatred for an organization that's doing nothing wrong?
Yes, I would be dandy with elimination of "private" for-profit care. Health care is a human right. If all PP needed to do was education about family planning, that would still be a great service.
PrisonerNumber9653 2 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN -THIS VIDEO IS RIGHT WING PROPAGANDA
Margaret Sanger NEVER did any abortions she died in the 1960's long before abortion was even made legal Sanger was only for using birth control NOT Abortion there's a huge difference between birth control and abortion learn the difference
White Women have more abortions than anyone since 1973 there's been 55 million abortions over all and 30 million of them have been White Women and only 14 million have been Black Women
SuperBlackWoman1 3 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 I am aware of Singer, her aprehension of abortions, et all....you need to read my other posts so I don't have to repeat myself
LeGioNoFZioN 2 months ago
@SuperBlackWoman1 I do find it funny you call this propaganda, when convincing black folks to get rid of their own in the name of choice has had more direct impact than american racism on the black family. how close are you with your family ?
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 sanger may have befriended some blacks, but that doesn't change the way she viewed blacks in general, which is as an inherently inferior people. do your own research, as an interracial man, this woman and eugenics in specific are areas I invested a lot of time reading into, during my teen years and beyond. Don't take my word for it, but if you read enough, you will come to accept what I know to be true
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN How she viewed blacks in general were as victims of inequality and poverty, which she dedicated her LIFE to helping them with. It is a LIE, a LIE, a LIE to claim she viewed them as inferior. SHE DID NOT!
I HAVE done my own research!! YOU HAVE NOT! You claim you've "invested a lot of time into reading" but REFUSE to show where she said any of this.
I will NEVER accept your lies, I KNOW they are lies. I've read them repeatedly, FROM RACIST HATE GROUPS, not her own books.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 I did quote the Pivot of Civilization in terms of her support for Eugenics, if you don't want to do the research, not from her alone, but from her compatriots - other like minded people she spent time with you prefer to live in ignorance, -- when you wake up search out this thread and get at me.
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN I HAVE DONE THE RESEARCH!!!! How many DAMN times do you have to be told? I HAVE READ THE DAMNED BOOKS!! Have YOU? Did you read Pivot of Civilization? Do you own this book? Or did you read some hate group claiming to QUOTE from the book? Taking her words OUT OF CONTEXT and perverting their meaning is the oldest stunt in the book.
When I wake up? Your arrogance is stunning. I am awake, I have done the research, and UNLIKE you have done it in the ACTUAL SOURCE MATERIAL.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@PrisonerNumber9653 Eugenics is evil, and Sanger for her efforts to help, also hindered. Look into the Virginia Eugenics board, these people were inspired by Sanger. She does have a negative legacy, one just needs to free oneself of prejudices associated with modern political thought
LeGioNoFZioN 3 months ago
@LeGioNoFZioN I don't give a damn WHO claims to have been "inspired" by anyone, Sanger DID NOT EVER, EVER, EVER promote negative eugenics.
She has a negative legacy BECAUSE OF PREJUDICES ASSOCIATED WITH MODERN POLITICAL THOUGHT! The anti-choice hate groups have MADE UP her "negative legacy" in order to vicious attack Planned Parenthood. Lying is what anti-choice hate groups do best.
PrisonerNumber9653 3 months ago
@Dawn554 Because you cant. You fail authoritarian.
yellowkrux 6 months ago
A born humanitarian? Wow, she was quite dilusional!
eracism09 6 months ago 2