16 - Bonnie Dundee

[gaconnochie]

was caught and executed but the Scots. Montrose did fall back in line with the king again but that seems to be as much to do with not being able to live with his Covenanting allies than falling back in love with a despotic monarchy. Montrose distrusted Campbell of Argyl suspecting him off using the Covenanting movement for his own ends. That is he didn't want a King Campbell. As far as I can see they were all three (Charles I, Montrose, Argyl) a disaster for the ordinary people of Scotland

[anniers7]

Disunion is simply a means for local politicians to expand their influence and job opportunities. As an American who loves Scotland, I implore you good people to not be taken in by this. The United Kingdom is stronger United.

[gaconnochie]

@anniers7 "Disunion is simply a means for local politicians to expand their influence and job opportunities" I think if you regard Scottish Parliamentarians as local politicians then you're way off the mark as far as most Scots, even unionist Scots, would see it. You may love Scotland but do you understand it? It could equally be said that Scottish Westminster MPs want to maintain their status.

[TheTraumarama]

We ain't forgotten you, great( times whatever it is) grand-grand uncle. A Graham never forgets.

[gaconnochie]

@TheTraumarama "A Graham never forgets." Seemingly Bluidy Clavers wished he could forget some of the atrocities he carried out against civilians during the religious persecution of Presbyterians. It supposedly kept him from sleeping soundly. Winning one battle in which you manage to get yourself killed doesn't make up for crimes against humanity. Both sides were thugs and bigots. We shouldn't over glamourise it!

[TheTraumarama2]

@gaconnochie

I remember John Graham because he's distant family, a famous Graham, and fought for what he believed in. That's what I believe. I am not glamorizing any of his actions.

[gaconnochie]

@TheTraumarama2 When James lost his English power base and the Scottish parliament declared him a traitor and stripped him off his throne Graham refused to accept the decision so went off to raise an army. Could be viewed as principle but equally could be viewed as having no choice. Because he had been chief henchman during the Killing Times he was undoubtedly a marked man and would probably have been for the rope. Sorry but he is glamourised.

[TheTraumarama2]

@gaconnochie

Some would view that as supporting his rightful king. It seems he was trying to go about the same way as his relative James Graham of Montrose did.

[gaconnochie]

@TheTraumarama2 Montrose was a Covenanter who originally opposed the king's attempt at invading Scotland. He then swapped sides and himself tried unsuccesfully to organise an English invasion of Scotland; then joined up with a mostly Irish invasion of Scotland and was involved in letting the Irish massacre many of the citizens of Aberdeen; then after being defeated by the returning Scottish govt army he later invaded Scotland for a third time this time using Scandinavian troops after which he

[gaconnochie]

@TheTraumarama2 aye on looking over my posts I can be a bit of a grump and pain in the arse at times. sorry about that! Just about all our historical figure have their bad sides as well as good.

[TheTraumarama2]

@gaconnochie

True on both points. Lol. It's okay, it happens to us all.

[ecadre1]

@gaconnochie Indeed, and he and the Jacobites also become by some strange transmogrification, heroes of Scottish independence?

Very odd.

[Xdeadshot148x]

they said salddle my horses



[RocaDeearCenjar]

Or are they saying "saddle?"

[RocaDeearCenjar]

Did they just say "Come sodom my horses?"

[Injektilo7]

@RocaDeearCenjar Haha, now I can't stop hearing it... Well, it is the sort of thing they would do in Dundee right enough.

[Lincoln5string]

Ditto McGrenzer. Enjoyed this. First I heard of this tune was Richard Thompson's instrumental on his album Reel Time. That's one rockin version - Thompson's.

[GMMReviews]

Bonnie Dundee? HAHAHAHAHAH!?!?! Couldn't be more wrong :P

[kiltsnhaggis]

Love this song and love the Corries - long live bonnie Scotland!!!!

[3tangle3]

even though he 'reputedly saved' will oranges life he was one of the few scots nobles to remain loyal to james II when Orange man willy landed....adding another load of bother to ireland ;)

[gaconnochie]

@3tangle3 Mind to be fair Claverhouse didn't have much choice but stay loyal to James VII & II. As he was probably the chief henchman during the Killing Times and the persecution of the Presbyterian Covenanters then he would probably have been a marked man as Presbyterian control was reinstated in Scotland and those who had fled persecution returned. AFAIK Walter Scott invented the nickname Bonnie Dundee at a much later date but he was known as Bluidy Clavers in the south in his own time :-)

[BillDFC]

Only two Lowlanders really managed to inspire Highlanders and both were Grahams.

John Graham and James Graham (Montrose).

[rifleman1122]

the guy directly behind them looks like he doesn't want to be there at all.

[McGrenzer]

@rifleman1122 Yeah, he does look a little anal, but at least he moves his feet in time to the music! The whole audience is entirely too well-behaved.

[CourtneyBLURG]

em fa scotland (dundee) and eh am certantly pround o meh country

[3tangle3]

I fucking hate westminster and centralised government

[MUCKER1314]

@3tangle3 WELL SAID !!

[lochiel1745]

Na Fir Dileas - Alba Gu Brath!

[johan0066]

They are the best, thank you.

[BillDFC]

Hector Nicol kent the right words.....Penman,Cousin and Alan Gilzean...

[stevo1873]

I like the corries....but this song is disgraceful. Why glamorise a man who hunted down and murdered the Covenanters - just for worshiping God?? Disgusting!

[witchhunter32]

wtf u on about ? if im not mistaken the covenanters tried to seize edinburgh and dethrone the king for being catholic , that action was too far so dundee and his soldiers defeated them at bothwell brig and then went on to fight for the jacobites agains t sectarianists like the covenanters

[stevo1873]

Seems you are mistaken. The Covenanters had been subject to the bigoted attacks and attempted annihilation at the hand of the sectarian catholic king. Like other bigoted European countries, he king tried to destroy the Protestants who taught salvation by faith alone & of the errors of the R.C. church! The Covenanters did fight back at Edinburgh, in defence, but were lightly armed and were defeated by a heavily armed cavalry. Claverhouse any who worshiped God out with the body of the R.C.

[witchhunter32]

how can that be so when the covenanters were all anti catholic protestants who thought catholics should be killed so they deserved it

[stevo1873]

You need to get to the general history section and try to look over the lies of a catholic education system witchhunter32.

Next thing you'll be telling me there was no holocaust!

[witchhunter32]

real mature mate , even a covenanter supporter has to admit to them being sectarianist and racist so they deserved the covenanters prison , george mackenzie rocks

[1marystuart]

@stevo1873 Thre was certainly a holocaust, just like there was ethnic cleansing in the North of Scotland after April 16th 1746

[1marystuart]

@witchhunter32

I agree and think judging the amount of Orange people marching in our streets in the summer, i would suggest we need another Dundee.

[3tangle3]

they were all bastards ;) We are but a legacy of bastartds lol, thank god for people like watt tyler ;)

[Chewy7575]

Superb, as they always were. RIP Roy.

[3tangle3]

Keep these songs alive, not for the message though its good but for its our heritage and a bloody good song!

[bzzzz1314]

Magic, absolutely brilliant!

[witchhunter32]

god rest john graham of claverhouse

[Sipatbana]

Always have liked the Corries But as an Australian with a Scottish Clan Surname what can I say. The Blood is STRONG in my family

[LouiseOC1]

Great song, thanks for posting it.

[kldudmp]

SCOTLAND!!! great song! love this one!

[poneil69]

The defeat of the Orange in 1689,if only the same a year later.Saor Alba

[BillDFC]

Agreed....and I'm a presbyterian!

Scotland's liberty is more important.

[MsCailleach]

Have to admire that attitude. Saor alba

[GreatScot007]

lang mi yir lum reek abodee

[ScotsLyon]

As we say in french.

longtemps peut votre fumée de cheminée

[erracht]

That's a bonnie wee lassie at 1:10.

[outshore]

tried getting a pizza in dundee on a friday nite ? I always remember that gig ...

[Pomepwns]

Go get fucked by a priest.

[jamiereidit]

Yeee Hah, all scottich people who are proud of there country must love this song

[russiangooglespy]

@jamiereidit learn to spell!!!! *Scottish  Your grammar is crap as well *their not there (from a Scottish person)

[Freemannoprisoner]

@jamiereidit The audience don't look too proud, do they? A right miserable bunch... they must have been imported from south of the border.

[witchhunter32]

let us show the scum of orange how a true man fights

bonnie dundee 1 night before killiecrankie

[witchhunter32]

u like bonnie dundee ? finally another person bonnie dundees a heroe

[nacho1560]

He's my greatest historical hero, witchhunter. Maybe because I'm from Dundee and was born close to the area called Claverhouse. The owned a house called Mains Castle which has been rebuilt. He also owned the lands there.

It's a shame his tomb in St Brides Kirk close to Killiecrankie has not been looked after and is falling to bits.

We don't look after our heroes very well in Scotland.

[witchhunter32]

ye your right their they should fix up the tomb or move it to mains castle

[JBurdoo]

This was the first version I learned as a child -- My dad still has the LP this was recorded on. Memories...

[scotcat52E]

anyone here actually know what this is about lol????

[BonnieBlueFlag1314]

LMAO some of the comments here are quite interesting, straight out of the Orange Order hand book i think!

[merchmar2003]

The Covenanters, like anybody who claims to be a Christian, recognized only Jesus Christ as Head of the Church, which is why the Queen is styled Supreme Governor, not Head, of the Church of England, and is merely a member of The Church of Scotland. When in Scotland, the Queen attends the Church of Scotland, of which Her Majesty is a member, not the Scottish Episcopal Church. Claverhouse was the Saddam Hussein/Slobodan Milosevic of his day - an evil bigot.

[merchmar2003]

John Graham of Claverhouse ("Bonnie Dundee") was a murdering Jacobite, who committed acts of unspeakable barbarism against the poor, innocent Covenanters which would now be classed as genocide. Their crime? Worshipping God as they pleased on the hilltops, and refusing to submit to the tyrannical rule of wicked Episcopalian bishops. Thank God for William of Orange and Claverhouse's death at Killiekrankie. God save our Queen and defend us from evil bigots like Claverhouse.

[gratex]

Get a grip, get a life, get over the hate.

[witchhunter32]

u r a bastard bonnie dundee is a hero and so r all the jacobites u r an orange ? covenant bastard william of orange was a murdering bastard and the covenants were a l bastards who deserved there fuckin deaths

[poneil69]

Graham rule.

[mcwrules4life]

i kno a nickname for him is claver

[incongra]

"Bloody Clavers" was interesting but he did persecute the covenanters during the killing times. Whether he committed the atrocities ascribed to him has never been proven. All you can say about him, was that he WAS loyal to his king. But then it was a catholic king. So it is a good song, nothing more.

[abbo69]

dundee is no dump k its gr8

[poneil69]

1689 defeated William of Orange.

[swedishsander]

Ha ha beatityatube, one can tell that you're a gadgy ned! A well, it was just a joke!

[swedishsander]

Great song, but Dundee is a dump!

[ireland88]

Dundee was a hero

[burger576]

braw