If you still don't believe Varian is a monster how about you go to the Ruins of Taurajo? Unarmed civilians, even children, killed by Alliance soldiers just for being Horde. Hell one just needs to look at Wesfall to see the truth. This war with the Horde Varian started is starving his own people and making them homeless.
Oh shit, the horde tries to get offensive in border wars and get analravaged when war gets declared and they get on the recieving end of a major offensive. Also, if you ever did the alliance side quest for that assault they tell you that the alliance commander explicitly let the civilians escape.
@Szgerle I did the Alliance quests in the Southern Barrens. The general claimed he let civilians escape, but that didn't happen. The war in the Barrens was started by the Alliance way back in vanilla. Border wars my ass. I hardly call the Alliance's invasion a major offensive. A major killing spree is more like it, speciffically targeting civilians. You need to check up on your facts.
So lets see, a general letting civilians escape is a genocide but purposedully depopulating entire zones with biological weapons is just self defense.
@Szgerle He didn't let civilians escape, thats a lie. His troops massacred the town, that IS genocide. And the Forsaken used their New Plague in response to Alliance aggression against them, AKA self defense.
"And the Forsaken used their New Plague in response to Alliance aggression against them, AKA self defense."
Straight bullshit again. They attacked Scarlet Crusaders, Lordaeron survivors protected by both crusaders and alliance, Alliance settlements, Dalaran, Gilneas, and Arathor.
It is clear to me you exclusively play Alliance. I play both sides. You judge the Horde without knowing a thing about them. I've played Alliance quests, I've read the history of it, and I can tell you this with all facts behind me, with Varian as their king the Alliance is little different than Germany under Hitler. Mass-genocide of "subhuman" people, lies spread to the people, cruel senseless war. The Alliance is to blame for it all.
@Szgerle I hardly see how I am losing when I am using actual lore and facts and you are just making things up. I only compare Varian to Hitler because they are so much alike.
@CreeperDefence Well, us more intelligent folk tend to like Horde better because of how many alliance are scrubnubs like you. You can't even spell alliance right. U mad?
@Ultimaton100 There once were four individuals, Alleria Windrunner, High Elf ranger. Her husband, Turalyon, human General. Khadgar, human wizard extraordinaire, and Danath Trollbane, heir to the Stromgarde line. All trapped on the debris of Draenor. Those are heroes.
@MyidolGwen I was referring to the current Alliance under Varian's rule. I have Alliance toons as well, and I believe it is being turned into something evil under his leadership. At least Prince Anduin has more sense.
@AAliasW The Horde is all about honor. Their mission is to secure a better future for their people. But under Varian's rule, the Alliance has became a war machine with a mission to conquer and destroy.
@Ultimaton100 Is that why the Horde has done 1. Dropped a bomb on a school of young druids 2. Killed the only Alliance General with sympathy towards them. ? Doesen't seem to be helping to secure a peaceful future. Garrosh is just as much of a war monger as Varian.
@DJBoy37 1. What happened at Thal'darah was done without authorization of the warchief. He even executed the overlord responsible. Also, Horde druids have begun mending the damage. 2. How was the Horde suppost to know Hawthorne felt that way? All they knew was that his troops conducted a massacre of a civilian village and he was their commanding officer. Whether he knew what his men did or not, the blame still falls on him for the war crime.
@Ultimaton100 No, he left gaps in the invasion so the citizens could escape. OBVIOUSLY he felt that way, otherwise he woulden't have cared who he killed.
@Ultimaton100 No, he left gaps in the invasion so the citizens could escape. OBVIOUSLY he felt that way, otherwise he woulden't have cared who he killed, though maybe Garrosh is too stupid to realize it.
@DJBoy37 Correction, he gave that order and it wasn't followed. Whether he knew it or not his troops massacred a town of unarmed innocents. They did not try to spare anyone and there was no gap. The Horde are not mind readers. They had no way of knowing Hawthorne had more sense in him than the other Alliance. Garrosh may not be the sharpest, but at least he didn't send SI:7 to kidnap the world shaman who was desperately needed to heal the world. Varian did that.
@Ultimaton100 Like Varian knew he was needed for such? At least Varian can keep his faction together, Garrosh is cracking the Horde like a piece of stale bread left and right. By the way, no heroes in the Alliance? Turalyon, Khadgar, Anduin Lothar, Kurdran Wildhammer, Falstad Wildhammer, Alleria Windrunner? The Horde has done much better with people like Gul'dan and Blackhand haven't they?
@DJBoy37 Varian did in fact know exactly where Thrall was going and why. He still ordered his capture, placing his own selfishness above the entire world. The Horde isn't as splintered as you think. Vol'jin has come to terms with things, Baine has pledged loyalty to Garrosh, and Sylvanas is mending ties as well. Those are past Alliance heroes. Under Varian there are none. You might want to remove Falstad from that list. He's not hero material.
@DJBoy37 The Horde is full of heroes. Orgrim Doomhammer, Thrall, Durotan, Varok Saurfang, Eitrigg, Cairne Bloodhoof, Baine Bloodhoof, Sen'jin, Vol'jin, Sylvanas Windrunner (more like tragic hero for her), Master Forteski. The only real villians with ties to the Horde are those from the old Horde, not Thrall's Horde. The old Horde had villians like Gul'dan and Blackhand, whose demonic corruption has been purged under the new Horde.
@DJBoy37 I admit, there are some in the current Alliance worth mentioning. The most notable was Hawthorne. While I contend he was incopetent and unknowlingly allowed a massacre, his ideals were higher than most in the Alliance Army. He understood proper conduct in war, much more than his replacement, Twinbraid. Velen, leader of Alliance draenei, is another. His wisdom and experience in the ways of the universe is something Varian needs badly.
@AAliasW You mean the invasion of Gilneas? Invasion, not slaughter. Also, the Alliance was invading the Western Plaguelands, Forsaken territory. In my book they got what they deserved at Andorhal. Varian is much more of a villain than Sylvanas.
@SpoonTheAmazing Your right, Varian just launches genocidal campaigns against races he holds ill-concieved grudges against. He also puts more energy into feeding his lust for war than feeding his own people, or have you not been to Westfall? At least Sylvanas cares about her people and at least Garrosh understands the concept of honor.
Gilneas, Hillsbrad,Ashenvale, Theramore, Wrathgate etc. And no, you cant blame the demons for the first two wars too, because the demons offered power and the orcs willingly took it.
@Szgerle The Invasion of Durotar right after the Third War was the first time. Razor Hill was burned to the ground with no survivors. The Echo Isles was massacred too. Anyone who played WC3 saw that firsthand. And now the Alliance's new war against the Horde. Remember Taurajo? Remember Silverpine? The Alliance is repeating what it did before. They are comparable to Nazi Germany. The orcs did now know what drinking the blood would do. They were fooled into following the Legion.
Looks like you glossed over the whole "arrows in a quiver" part when she willingly sacrificed her own people when she was alive. Or when she casually watched testing on randomly captured forsaken by Faranell. Maybe you need to read up on lore.
"against races he holds ill-concieved grudges against. "
@Szgerle I read that short story too pal. Sylvanas had a wake up call there. She cares about her people now. Anyone who did the quests in Silverpine knows that. And Faranell tests on humans, not his own people. Maybe you need to take a second look at the Lore instead of accusing others. And I'm saying Varian has no reason to behave the way he does.
"And Faranell tests on humans, not his own people" Yeah, captured lordaeronian humans AND forsaken. You forget that new plague were supposed to kill both undead and living, right?
@Szgerle The only undead he's tested on are Scourge. Believe it or not there is a difference between Forsaken and Scourge. I know all about the New Plague, designed for use on the Alliance and the Scourge. Please don't pretend you know more lore than me. Blind arrogance is not amusing.
@Szgerle Making things up on the spot is NOT the same as Lore. The only thing you are proving is that you are making up lies and calling it Lore. Please, you aren't fooling anyone. If you can't use actual facts, this is not a debate, this is little more than a shouting match.
There is no such thing as "forsaken territory" only the Kingdom of Lordaeron, if the rightful heir is missing the other kings can appoint a new one and all the vassals, subjects and lands of the Kingtom of Lordaeron belongs to her throne.
@Szgerle There is no such thing as the Kingdom of Lordaeron. It was destroyed in the Third War, its people all but wiped out. And its people risen into undeath are the Forsaken. It was their land in life and it is in death too. Princess Menethil is likely dead at this point. Just about all her "subjects" are Forsaken. The real rightful ruler of Lordaeron is the Dark Lady.
@Szgerle The Scarlets are practically extinct now and good riddance. The Argent Dawn is now the Argent Crusade and its membership is worldwide. Southshore is gone too, destroyed because its soldiers kept harrassing the Forsaken. As I just stated, the Menethil dynasty is dead, the Kingdom of Lordaeron is dead. All of Lordaeron is dead. The Forsaken are the only ones with a legit claim to the region. I don't see why you are loling. Your not making sense.
Thank your pretty much confirming what I said, the forsaken were commiting genocide and killing the remants of the kingdom of Lordaeron.
Also, Calia Menethil. I bet you dont even know who her is. Also, personal unions between kingdoms.
By the way, you forget that the forsaken began their career with massacring the last acting lordaeronian commander and his army despite cooperating and Stormwind was an ally back then. Thats an easy casus belli right there.
@Szgerle Correction, the Forsaken are killing INVADERS to their land. Self-defense is not genocide. The Alliance was invading Silverpine, Plaguelands, and Hillsbrad. You don't have to like it that they lost, but please stick to the facts and don't make things up. I know who Calia is. She's dead, just like the Kingdom of Lordaeron. By the way, you are forgetting that Garithos betrayed the Forsaken FIRST. Like I said, don't make things up or present half-truths.
There is no forsaken territory, they are all on Alliance territory and their first massacre was a Lordaeronian army on Lordaeronian soil, that pretty much counts as invasion.
Calia is not dead, confimed by Bashiok at blizzcon.
@Szgerle Lordaeron does NOT belong to the Alliance. They lost it to the Scourge and the Forsaken took it from them. Their "massacre" was a counter-attack to human aggression. If Calia is not dead, then where is she? Do you know? You can claim someone at Blizzcon said that, but your not exactly uinbiased so I can't take your word for it.
@cr4yv3n The manga series "Rise of the Forsaken" begs to differ. Human militia, under Garithos's command, attacked a Forsaken patrol shortly before the final assault on the Lordaeron capital. Only once word reached Sylvanas of the human treachery did she order Garithos killed. There is more to it than what we saw in WC3. Sylvanas is no bitch, she is a hero in my book. If you want evil to the core and a ticking time bomb, look no further than Varian Wrynn.
This is like hearing Goebbels propaganda of how Hitler is a hero and if i want to see evil to the core then i must find Churchill....yess...feel the evilness...mmm...*inspire* that's good quality evil, right there.
Now seriously - the manga is non-cannon (1) and even if it would be her actions in Cataclysm have totally demoted her to "public enemy number one" of both horde and allies - and even Garrosh knows it by now.
@TheEpicVikings but they are badasses wayyy more badass than the alliance faggots i dont play world of warcraft anymore though i moved on to mass effect and the elder scrolls
@jakascott21 they're really not. well, not in my opinion. And alot of immature people play horde, (notice all the people that say "alliance faggots") but whatever
@TheEpicVikings the worgen are the only good alliance race but i dont think they should be alliance they should be horde cuz wouldnt it make more sense? but then again their main arch enemy is the undead who torched and burned their lands and committed genocide against them which was a extremely fun and interesting questline for the undead
@AAliasW ive played as the undead before i have to say the undead campaign was much better than other campaigns like humans dwarves gnomes or tauren, i seen how sylvanas commited genocide at gilneas, it was pretty fun
@AAliasW A Villain? Shes a Legend... Now, I will admit.. She did bad to the Alliance, But she did good for the Horde <3 c: But you cant look at just her, look at what all the horde leaders did... and Alliance at that. GLORY TO THE ALLIANCE! AND FOR THE HORDE! (: JS
@HailAllmightyInglip This was said about The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, Halo Reach, Call of Duty Black Ops, Lord of the Rings Online, League of Legends, that Star Wars Game and Rift.
Guild Wars 2 won't kill WoW. Come back to me in a year and we'll see how much Guild Wars "Killed" WoW.
@seanthamaster uhm... dont think the humans forgot the orcish invasion of the eastern kingdom remember when SW fell by the orcish invasion? thats why humans hate orcs
@seanthamaster Yeah thats true, the Orcs also better because when in Warcraft 3 Thrall led his people to safety and then the Humans just ignored the Prophet and died :{
@TxtACRowetxT Sadly, they didn't crash bud :P the Dreanei crashed in the Exodar. Orcs came through the Dark Portal, from Draenor, while controled by Demons and betrayed by their leader, Ner'zhul. They were also helped by Medjivh(SP) who at the time, was possessed by Saeragas I believe.
@TheCryingshot They are very hypocritical. They slapped away the hand of peace when the Orcs made a turn for the better. They kept Orcs in their internment camps which was a huge feat of hypocracy. Varian is an ass. I could go on if you want me to.
@VideoGamer869 Well the Alliance was about to make peace thanks to Jana, but remember, king Varian was a slave to the orcs for a long time. When he retook the throne, he wanted the orcs to suffer what he suffered. It doesn't really say that anywhere, but comeon, it's obvious isn't it? When ever he sees an orc, he flips out in anger. But still, I do agree the Alliance has turned to a darker side since Cataclysm came out.
@VideoGamer869 Varian tried to make peace with the Orcs. After all the Orcs did to the world,you expect them to let them go?If they did it would of been 1st war all over again.Thrall is a hypocrit.
All Thrall ever does is say he wants peace,but does nothing to back up his threats.
@TheCryingshot You are crazy. Thrall only waged war because Varian and Bolvar slapped away the hand of peace. Garrosh is only a War Monger for 2 reasons. Our rage against the Alliance and it's hypocracy has can't be bottled up also with the Cataclysm destroying the worlds resources we need to take what we need to survive.
@VideoGamer869 What's the point of that insult? Sounds pretty childish..
Anyway,on to your points.
Why did Varian slap away peace? Oh yeah,because all the time Thrall had been talking about peace,the Forsaken,his ALLIES,had been butchering Alliance members for their experiments.
About the Resources,who's fault is that?The Alliance were making deals with the Horde in Theramore,then the Twilight's hammer and Garrosh ruined it.
I'm not saying the Alliance are all good,both sides are morally grey.
@VideoGamer869 Didn't they keep the Horde in internment camps AFTER they brutally invaded and slaughtered just about every innocent being they encountered in their campaign?
This is one of the best race themes i've heard. The Worgen starting area was brilliant. I didn't even do the quests for the first bit, i just wandered around, listening to the music and looking at the designs
this is more spooky than the undead but one day the worgen will rid the world of those abomanations! FOR THE ALLIANCE! FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE UNDEAD!
@ildsabi91 You have very good imagination. I grinned like idiot for like 5 mins after i pictured the scene where worgen turns from human to worgen and then turns to you and smiles at 0:22 of this music :D
@Arathir66 The Forsaken are in the process of taking Gilneas, and have driven the Alliance from Hillsbrad Foothills and Andorhal. The Forsaken and the Horde will triumph! The Alliance and their foolish arrogance will crumble and fall!
@thepwnofwow You sir a complete moron, its a game people play to get the hell out of real life, not be reminded of it, if you want to be a complete jackass do it someplace else. YOU FAIL! GOOD DAY SIR!
It sounds ALMOST Danny Elfman...
thexenobunny 2 days ago
I don't pick a faction, I pick a race regardless of what side they're on, deal with it. Also, this sounds rather baroque in places.
Temaile 3 days ago
this music is from Kharazan it has nothing to do with allince,
UndefetedReplays 1 month ago
@UndefetedReplays thats not karazhan music its worgen music..
TheYodadrunk 1 week ago
Seriously, read up on the lore before challenging someone who has.
Ultimaton100 1 month ago
If you still don't believe Varian is a monster how about you go to the Ruins of Taurajo? Unarmed civilians, even children, killed by Alliance soldiers just for being Horde. Hell one just needs to look at Wesfall to see the truth. This war with the Horde Varian started is starving his own people and making them homeless.
Ultimaton100 2 months ago
@Ultimaton100
Oh shit, the horde tries to get offensive in border wars and get analravaged when war gets declared and they get on the recieving end of a major offensive. Also, if you ever did the alliance side quest for that assault they tell you that the alliance commander explicitly let the civilians escape.
Szgerle 2 months ago
@Szgerle I did the Alliance quests in the Southern Barrens. The general claimed he let civilians escape, but that didn't happen. The war in the Barrens was started by the Alliance way back in vanilla. Border wars my ass. I hardly call the Alliance's invasion a major offensive. A major killing spree is more like it, speciffically targeting civilians. You need to check up on your facts.
Ultimaton100 1 month ago
@Ultimaton100 a
So lets see, a general letting civilians escape is a genocide but purposedully depopulating entire zones with biological weapons is just self defense.
Szgerle 1 month ago
@Szgerle wow the amount of BS this Ultimaton100 guy can shove is amazing.
cr4yv3n 1 month ago
@cr4yv3n So quoting the Lore is BS now?
Ultimaton100 1 month ago
@Szgerle He didn't let civilians escape, thats a lie. His troops massacred the town, that IS genocide. And the Forsaken used their New Plague in response to Alliance aggression against them, AKA self defense.
Ultimaton100 1 month ago
@Ultimaton100 Battle for Hillsbrad -
go kill farmers
go kill their dogs and livestock
go kill more defenseless farmers
go kill miners
go kill council members - more civilians
Can you feel the "righteousness" of the forsaken cause? Hell yeah !
And Silvanas knows ALL about this - SHE ordered it all.
You should be a politician - you seem to be able to shove bullshit at us by the truckload.
cr4yv3n 1 month ago
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@Ultimaton100
"And the Forsaken used their New Plague in response to Alliance aggression against them, AKA self defense."
Straight bullshit again. They attacked Scarlet Crusaders, Lordaeron survivors protected by both crusaders and alliance, Alliance settlements, Dalaran, Gilneas, and Arathor.
Stop being so fervently retarded.
Szgerle 1 month ago
It is clear to me you exclusively play Alliance. I play both sides. You judge the Horde without knowing a thing about them. I've played Alliance quests, I've read the history of it, and I can tell you this with all facts behind me, with Varian as their king the Alliance is little different than Germany under Hitler. Mass-genocide of "subhuman" people, lies spread to the people, cruel senseless war. The Alliance is to blame for it all.
Ultimaton100 2 months ago
@Ultimaton100
"Varian as their king the Alliance is little different than Germany under Hitler. Mass-genocide of "subhuman" people, lies spread to the people"
Godwins law. When losing an arguement, compare your enemy to hitler.
Szgerle 2 months ago
@Szgerle I hardly see how I am losing when I am using actual lore and facts and you are just making things up. I only compare Varian to Hitler because they are so much alike.
Ultimaton100 1 month ago
@Ultimaton100
Godwins law again. Reductio ad hitlerum isnt a proper arguement.
Szgerle 1 month ago
@Szgerle Says you. I say it fits perfectly.
Ultimaton100 1 month ago
For Gilneas! *howls*
Maskedbattery 2 months ago
One loneley soem person sulking in the corner about how people actualy play allience Disliked this video!
CreeperDefence 3 months ago
@CreeperDefence Well, us more intelligent folk tend to like Horde better because of how many alliance are scrubnubs like you. You can't even spell alliance right. U mad?
Pifafication 3 months ago in playlist wow playlist cata
@Pifafication Omg dude that guy has the most retarded grammar i have ever seen!
Hobnomb 2 months ago
@Pifafication
And you cant even spell "you" right.
Szgerle 2 months ago
hahhaha everytime is see a vid with 'alliance' in it, i see comments just not going over the character limit xD but i understand it thought...
mockingwiththedead 3 months ago
i came here to see comments on how good the music is.. and all i find is kids fighting on their faction...
TheYodadrunk 4 months ago 16
@TheYodadrunk Same here.......
YouGotaLoveSparta 1 week ago
damn the day the worgen ever joined the alliance! i'd rather have murlocs than those loosers. rather have them at the end of my blade than beside it!
42Nightsyesterday 4 months ago
Alliance Hero? There are no heroes in the Alliance.
Ultimaton100 4 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Not everyone on the Alliance are faggots bro.
Sarion15 4 months ago
@Ultimaton100 There once were four individuals, Alleria Windrunner, High Elf ranger. Her husband, Turalyon, human General. Khadgar, human wizard extraordinaire, and Danath Trollbane, heir to the Stromgarde line. All trapped on the debris of Draenor. Those are heroes.
MyidolGwen 4 months ago
@MyidolGwen I was referring to the current Alliance under Varian's rule. I have Alliance toons as well, and I believe it is being turned into something evil under his leadership. At least Prince Anduin has more sense.
Ultimaton100 4 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Shandris Feathermoon, Jarod Shadowsong, Brann Bronzebeard, Jaina Proudmoore, Harrison Jones.
MyidolGwen 4 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Obvious troll is obvious.
There is no honour in the Horde.
AAliasW 4 months ago
@AAliasW The Horde is all about honor. Their mission is to secure a better future for their people. But under Varian's rule, the Alliance has became a war machine with a mission to conquer and destroy.
Ultimaton100 4 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Is that why the Horde has done 1. Dropped a bomb on a school of young druids 2. Killed the only Alliance General with sympathy towards them. ? Doesen't seem to be helping to secure a peaceful future. Garrosh is just as much of a war monger as Varian.
DJBoy37 4 months ago
@DJBoy37 1. What happened at Thal'darah was done without authorization of the warchief. He even executed the overlord responsible. Also, Horde druids have begun mending the damage. 2. How was the Horde suppost to know Hawthorne felt that way? All they knew was that his troops conducted a massacre of a civilian village and he was their commanding officer. Whether he knew what his men did or not, the blame still falls on him for the war crime.
Ultimaton100 4 months ago
@Ultimaton100 No, he left gaps in the invasion so the citizens could escape. OBVIOUSLY he felt that way, otherwise he woulden't have cared who he killed.
DJBoy37 4 months ago
@Ultimaton100 No, he left gaps in the invasion so the citizens could escape. OBVIOUSLY he felt that way, otherwise he woulden't have cared who he killed, though maybe Garrosh is too stupid to realize it.
DJBoy37 4 months ago
@DJBoy37 Correction, he gave that order and it wasn't followed. Whether he knew it or not his troops massacred a town of unarmed innocents. They did not try to spare anyone and there was no gap. The Horde are not mind readers. They had no way of knowing Hawthorne had more sense in him than the other Alliance. Garrosh may not be the sharpest, but at least he didn't send SI:7 to kidnap the world shaman who was desperately needed to heal the world. Varian did that.
Ultimaton100 4 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Like Varian knew he was needed for such? At least Varian can keep his faction together, Garrosh is cracking the Horde like a piece of stale bread left and right. By the way, no heroes in the Alliance? Turalyon, Khadgar, Anduin Lothar, Kurdran Wildhammer, Falstad Wildhammer, Alleria Windrunner? The Horde has done much better with people like Gul'dan and Blackhand haven't they?
DJBoy37 3 months ago
@DJBoy37 Varian did in fact know exactly where Thrall was going and why. He still ordered his capture, placing his own selfishness above the entire world. The Horde isn't as splintered as you think. Vol'jin has come to terms with things, Baine has pledged loyalty to Garrosh, and Sylvanas is mending ties as well. Those are past Alliance heroes. Under Varian there are none. You might want to remove Falstad from that list. He's not hero material.
Ultimaton100 3 months ago
@DJBoy37 The Horde is full of heroes. Orgrim Doomhammer, Thrall, Durotan, Varok Saurfang, Eitrigg, Cairne Bloodhoof, Baine Bloodhoof, Sen'jin, Vol'jin, Sylvanas Windrunner (more like tragic hero for her), Master Forteski. The only real villians with ties to the Horde are those from the old Horde, not Thrall's Horde. The old Horde had villians like Gul'dan and Blackhand, whose demonic corruption has been purged under the new Horde.
Ultimaton100 3 months ago
@Ultimaton100 You can't say the Alliance has no heroes, though.
DJBoy37 3 months ago
@DJBoy37 I admit, there are some in the current Alliance worth mentioning. The most notable was Hawthorne. While I contend he was incopetent and unknowlingly allowed a massacre, his ideals were higher than most in the Alliance Army. He understood proper conduct in war, much more than his replacement, Twinbraid. Velen, leader of Alliance draenei, is another. His wisdom and experience in the ways of the universe is something Varian needs badly.
Ultimaton100 3 months ago
@Ultimaton100 I consider Sylvanas a villain.
Remember the slaughters at Gil'neas city and the former Western Plaguelands? Yep.
AAliasW 3 months ago 9
@AAliasW You mean the invasion of Gilneas? Invasion, not slaughter. Also, the Alliance was invading the Western Plaguelands, Forsaken territory. In my book they got what they deserved at Andorhal. Varian is much more of a villain than Sylvanas.
Ultimaton100 3 months ago
@Ultimaton100 Varian dosn't go around raising corpses from the dead. Plus the horde has Garrosh Hellscream, who is just a terrible character.
SpoonTheAmazing 3 months ago
@SpoonTheAmazing Your right, Varian just launches genocidal campaigns against races he holds ill-concieved grudges against. He also puts more energy into feeding his lust for war than feeding his own people, or have you not been to Westfall? At least Sylvanas cares about her people and at least Garrosh understands the concept of honor.
Ultimaton100 3 months ago
@Ultimaton100
The alliance never committed geonced compared to the horde who did it several times.
Szgerle 2 months ago
@Szgerle The Horde committed genocide once and while under demonic control. The Alliance has done it twice now with their free will both times.
Ultimaton100 2 months ago
@Ultimaton100
"The Alliance has done it twice now"
Where?
"The Horde committed genocide"
Gilneas, Hillsbrad,Ashenvale, Theramore, Wrathgate etc. And no, you cant blame the demons for the first two wars too, because the demons offered power and the orcs willingly took it.
Szgerle 2 months ago
@Szgerle The Invasion of Durotar right after the Third War was the first time. Razor Hill was burned to the ground with no survivors. The Echo Isles was massacred too. Anyone who played WC3 saw that firsthand. And now the Alliance's new war against the Horde. Remember Taurajo? Remember Silverpine? The Alliance is repeating what it did before. They are comparable to Nazi Germany. The orcs did now know what drinking the blood would do. They were fooled into following the Legion.
Ultimaton100 2 months ago
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@Ultimaton100
Remember silverpine what? The forsaken are genociding both the gilneans and the dalaranians there. Also, cooll Godwins again.
"The orcs did now know what drinking the blood would do. They were fooled into following the Legion:
Uhhh no. They offered them power and new worlds to rule over.
Szgerle 2 months ago
@Ultimaton100
"At least Sylvanas cares about her people "
Looks like you glossed over the whole "arrows in a quiver" part when she willingly sacrificed her own people when she was alive. Or when she casually watched testing on randomly captured forsaken by Faranell. Maybe you need to read up on lore.
"against races he holds ill-concieved grudges against. "
What are you even talking about?
Szgerle 2 months ago
@Szgerle I read that short story too pal. Sylvanas had a wake up call there. She cares about her people now. Anyone who did the quests in Silverpine knows that. And Faranell tests on humans, not his own people. Maybe you need to take a second look at the Lore instead of accusing others. And I'm saying Varian has no reason to behave the way he does.
Ultimaton100 2 months ago
@Ultimaton100
"And Faranell tests on humans, not his own people" Yeah, captured lordaeronian humans AND forsaken. You forget that new plague were supposed to kill both undead and living, right?
Szgerle 2 months ago
@Szgerle The only undead he's tested on are Scourge. Believe it or not there is a difference between Forsaken and Scourge. I know all about the New Plague, designed for use on the Alliance and the Scourge. Please don't pretend you know more lore than me. Blind arrogance is not amusing.
Ultimaton100 1 month ago
@Ultimaton100
"The only undead he's tested on are Scourge."
Wrong. They tested it on a forsaken and Sylvanas didnt care.
I know more about the lore than you and I keep proving it.
Szgerle 1 month ago
@Szgerle Making things up on the spot is NOT the same as Lore. The only thing you are proving is that you are making up lies and calling it Lore. Please, you aren't fooling anyone. If you can't use actual facts, this is not a debate, this is little more than a shouting match.
Ultimaton100 1 month ago
@Ultimaton100
There is no such thing as "forsaken territory" only the Kingdom of Lordaeron, if the rightful heir is missing the other kings can appoint a new one and all the vassals, subjects and lands of the Kingtom of Lordaeron belongs to her throne.
Szgerle 2 months ago
@Szgerle There is no such thing as the Kingdom of Lordaeron. It was destroyed in the Third War, its people all but wiped out. And its people risen into undeath are the Forsaken. It was their land in life and it is in death too. Princess Menethil is likely dead at this point. Just about all her "subjects" are Forsaken. The real rightful ruler of Lordaeron is the Dark Lady.
Ultimaton100 2 months ago
@Ultimaton100
"its people all but wiped out. "
Lol no. Southshore, Scarlets, Argent Dawn and the farmers in Tirisfal were all lordaeronians.
Also, no one gives a fuck about what people feel like, its a kingdom with rigid rules of succession.
Szgerle 2 months ago
@Szgerle The Scarlets are practically extinct now and good riddance. The Argent Dawn is now the Argent Crusade and its membership is worldwide. Southshore is gone too, destroyed because its soldiers kept harrassing the Forsaken. As I just stated, the Menethil dynasty is dead, the Kingdom of Lordaeron is dead. All of Lordaeron is dead. The Forsaken are the only ones with a legit claim to the region. I don't see why you are loling. Your not making sense.
Ultimaton100 2 months ago
@Ultimaton100
Thank your pretty much confirming what I said, the forsaken were commiting genocide and killing the remants of the kingdom of Lordaeron.
Also, Calia Menethil. I bet you dont even know who her is. Also, personal unions between kingdoms.
By the way, you forget that the forsaken began their career with massacring the last acting lordaeronian commander and his army despite cooperating and Stormwind was an ally back then. Thats an easy casus belli right there.
Szgerle 2 months ago
@Szgerle Correction, the Forsaken are killing INVADERS to their land. Self-defense is not genocide. The Alliance was invading Silverpine, Plaguelands, and Hillsbrad. You don't have to like it that they lost, but please stick to the facts and don't make things up. I know who Calia is. She's dead, just like the Kingdom of Lordaeron. By the way, you are forgetting that Garithos betrayed the Forsaken FIRST. Like I said, don't make things up or present half-truths.
Ultimaton100 1 month ago
@Ultimaton100
There is no forsaken territory, they are all on Alliance territory and their first massacre was a Lordaeronian army on Lordaeronian soil, that pretty much counts as invasion.
Calia is not dead, confimed by Bashiok at blizzcon.
Szgerle 1 month ago
@Szgerle Lordaeron does NOT belong to the Alliance. They lost it to the Scourge and the Forsaken took it from them. Their "massacre" was a counter-attack to human aggression. If Calia is not dead, then where is she? Do you know? You can claim someone at Blizzcon said that, but your not exactly uinbiased so I can't take your word for it.
Ultimaton100 1 month ago
@Ultimaton100
"but your not exactly uinbiased "
Umm, what? I`m a forsaken and a horde player. You are just shovelling bullshit onto the internet because you fap to sylvanas.
Szgerle 1 month ago
@Ultimaton100 Garithos did not betray the forsaken, he betrayed the blood elves - you're confusing lore pieces.
Forsaken betrayed him
Silvanas told Varimathras "kill him" when garithos told her he done his part now it's time for her to hold her end of the deal.
The bitch is manipulative and evil to the core. She is worse than Lich King now.The horde has now a ticking time bomb with them.
cr4yv3n 1 month ago
@cr4yv3n i got a felling she gonna be a end boos soon or atleast a boss:)
sihark 1 month ago
@sihark Oh one can only hope !
cr4yv3n 1 month ago
@cr4yv3n The manga series "Rise of the Forsaken" begs to differ. Human militia, under Garithos's command, attacked a Forsaken patrol shortly before the final assault on the Lordaeron capital. Only once word reached Sylvanas of the human treachery did she order Garithos killed. There is more to it than what we saw in WC3. Sylvanas is no bitch, she is a hero in my book. If you want evil to the core and a ticking time bomb, look no further than Varian Wrynn.
Ultimaton100 1 month ago
@Ultimaton100 HAH!
This is like hearing Goebbels propaganda of how Hitler is a hero and if i want to see evil to the core then i must find Churchill....yess...feel the evilness...mmm...*inspire* that's good quality evil, right there.
Now seriously - the manga is non-cannon (1) and even if it would be her actions in Cataclysm have totally demoted her to "public enemy number one" of both horde and allies - and even Garrosh knows it by now.
It's a matter of time now.
cr4yv3n 1 month ago
@Ultimaton100
Are you saying that Warcraft 3 is less canonical than some licensed manga? Seriously?
Szgerle 1 month ago
@Ultimaton100 YOU'RE SO. FREAKING. DUMB. Are you really that much of a no life? The forsaken ARE evil ok...? Are you really going to deny that???
TheEpicVikings 1 month ago
@TheEpicVikings but they are badasses wayyy more badass than the alliance faggots i dont play world of warcraft anymore though i moved on to mass effect and the elder scrolls
jakascott21 3 weeks ago
@jakascott21 they're really not. well, not in my opinion. And alot of immature people play horde, (notice all the people that say "alliance faggots") but whatever
anyways I love the worgen music :)
TheEpicVikings 3 weeks ago
@TheEpicVikings the worgen are the only good alliance race but i dont think they should be alliance they should be horde cuz wouldnt it make more sense? but then again their main arch enemy is the undead who torched and burned their lands and committed genocide against them which was a extremely fun and interesting questline for the undead
jakascott21 3 weeks ago
@TheEpicVikings Remember, Player Attitude varies server to server.
Ao2BairdTUR 2 weeks ago
@AAliasW and at silver pine forst
MsOdale 3 months ago in playlist WoW cataclysm soundtrack
@AAliasW ive played as the undead before i have to say the undead campaign was much better than other campaigns like humans dwarves gnomes or tauren, i seen how sylvanas commited genocide at gilneas, it was pretty fun
jakascott21 3 weeks ago
@AAliasW A Villain? Shes a Legend... Now, I will admit.. She did bad to the Alliance, But she did good for the Horde <3 c: But you cant look at just her, look at what all the horde leaders did... and Alliance at that. GLORY TO THE ALLIANCE! AND FOR THE HORDE! (: JS
Ao2BairdTUR 2 weeks ago
hey guys guess what.....GUILD WARS 2 HAHAHHA BYE BYE WoW were is your horde and alliance now ?
HailAllmightyInglip 5 months ago
@HailAllmightyInglip This was said about The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion, Halo Reach, Call of Duty Black Ops, Lord of the Rings Online, League of Legends, that Star Wars Game and Rift.
Guild Wars 2 won't kill WoW. Come back to me in a year and we'll see how much Guild Wars "Killed" WoW.
A game that might kill WoW though? Skyrim.
TxtACRowetxT 5 months ago
@TxtACRowetxT kk
HailAllmightyInglip 5 months ago
@TxtACRowetxT woot about bf3?^^
Conqrix 5 months ago
@Conqrix No.
TxtACRowetxT 5 months ago
@TxtACRowetxT yea it wont kill it probably^^
but ill play both of them xD
Conqrix 5 months ago
@TxtACRowetxT Dont forget about Warhammer Online, Hellgate London and Aion Online
lol
Stonezorz 5 months ago
how come the allience human songs are so terrible and yet horde night elf songs are incradibly beautiful like an artwork...
raffiboy1234 6 months ago
@raffiboy1234 eh?
MtKikino 6 months ago
JEEZUS HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE STILL ARGUING ABOUT WOW LORE (morons)
Just listen to the music and enjoy it , i say sir commoners these days hur hur
HailAllmightyInglip 6 months ago
We have british freakin' werewolves.
Did you really think you ever stood a chance?
taurenmilkco 7 months ago
Horde's gonna beat each and every one of Alliance!!
dekanai 7 months ago
@dekanai Horde my ass. stinking rats....
WoWrocks3388 7 months ago
@WoWrocks3388 In truth, the humans are the wrongdoers. Not the orcs. The humans are the ones who viewed the Horde as "monsters"
seanthamaster 6 months ago
@seanthamaster uhm... dont think the humans forgot the orcish invasion of the eastern kingdom remember when SW fell by the orcish invasion? thats why humans hate orcs
WoWrocks3388 6 months ago
@seanthamaster humans have a reason to hate orcs....
WoWrocks3388 6 months ago
@WoWrocks3388 RACIST HUMANS !!!!!
Donut1298 6 months ago
@Donut1298 YOUR RACIST BECAUSE YOU CALL HUMANS RACIST!!!! :o
WoWrocks3388 6 months ago
@WoWrocks3388 DOH!
Donut1298 6 months ago
@Donut1298 :O AMG
WoWrocks3388 6 months ago
@seanthamaster Yeah thats true, the Orcs also better because when in Warcraft 3 Thrall led his people to safety and then the Humans just ignored the Prophet and died :{
Donut1298 6 months ago
@seanthamaster Orcs are the ones who crashed down on Azeroth and killed everyone.
TxtACRowetxT 5 months ago
@TxtACRowetxT Sadly, they didn't crash bud :P the Dreanei crashed in the Exodar. Orcs came through the Dark Portal, from Draenor, while controled by Demons and betrayed by their leader, Ner'zhul. They were also helped by Medjivh(SP) who at the time, was possessed by Saeragas I believe.
halorper117 5 months ago
Horde sucks! For Allience!
Tigerkampfwagen 7 months ago 3
I am sorry but the Alliance are indeed the bad guys.
VideoGamer869 7 months ago
@VideoGamer869 How exactly?
TheCryingshot 7 months ago
@TheCryingshot They are very hypocritical. They slapped away the hand of peace when the Orcs made a turn for the better. They kept Orcs in their internment camps which was a huge feat of hypocracy. Varian is an ass. I could go on if you want me to.
VideoGamer869 7 months ago
@VideoGamer869 Well the Alliance was about to make peace thanks to Jana, but remember, king Varian was a slave to the orcs for a long time. When he retook the throne, he wanted the orcs to suffer what he suffered. It doesn't really say that anywhere, but comeon, it's obvious isn't it? When ever he sees an orc, he flips out in anger. But still, I do agree the Alliance has turned to a darker side since Cataclysm came out.
Weisniowiki 7 months ago
@VideoGamer869 Varian tried to make peace with the Orcs. After all the Orcs did to the world,you expect them to let them go?If they did it would of been 1st war all over again.Thrall is a hypocrit.
All Thrall ever does is say he wants peace,but does nothing to back up his threats.
I could go on if you want.
TheCryingshot 7 months ago
@TheCryingshot You are crazy. Thrall only waged war because Varian and Bolvar slapped away the hand of peace. Garrosh is only a War Monger for 2 reasons. Our rage against the Alliance and it's hypocracy has can't be bottled up also with the Cataclysm destroying the worlds resources we need to take what we need to survive.
VideoGamer869 7 months ago
@VideoGamer869 What's the point of that insult? Sounds pretty childish..
Anyway,on to your points.
Why did Varian slap away peace? Oh yeah,because all the time Thrall had been talking about peace,the Forsaken,his ALLIES,had been butchering Alliance members for their experiments.
About the Resources,who's fault is that?The Alliance were making deals with the Horde in Theramore,then the Twilight's hammer and Garrosh ruined it.
I'm not saying the Alliance are all good,both sides are morally grey.
TheCryingshot 7 months ago
@VideoGamer869 Didn't they keep the Horde in internment camps AFTER they brutally invaded and slaughtered just about every innocent being they encountered in their campaign?
taurenmilkco 7 months ago
@taurenmilkco It's still hypocracy. That makes them equally as low as the Orcs.
VideoGamer869 7 months ago
FOR THE HORDE!!!
TheHorrscht 7 months ago
Yes,For The Alliance...;x
anonimboy60 7 months ago 2
For GUILD WARS 2.
UndercoverCracker 8 months ago
For the HORDE!!!!!
uniquetrack 9 months ago
This is one of the best race themes i've heard. The Worgen starting area was brilliant. I didn't even do the quests for the first bit, i just wandered around, listening to the music and looking at the designs
dragon77888 9 months ago
Will Gilneas become an official city to use in the future??
DaAcester 9 months ago
i remenber when i destroyed those fucking worgen with our lady sylvannas! FOR THE FORSAKEN!!!!
dfghj241 10 months ago
I love this music...
Every character I have will visit/assault this place.
many have. lvl 85 DK vs gilneas liberation front. they never knew what hit em.
SPI014 10 months ago
Gilneas...wonderful...
marvin5307ma 11 months ago
For the Burning Legion! Scourge! Murlocks...?
silentprophet777 11 months ago
@silentprophet777 For the murlocks! xD
sonderby100 10 months ago
Fuck Alliance !! Lokatr Ogar ! For The Hord !!
Ozzaii 11 months ago
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FOR THE ALLIANCE!
IgorkPF01 11 months ago
FOR THE ALLIANCE!
IgorkPF01 11 months ago 2
Allthough im not a fan of the worgen, there animation set, dances, etc, this music is what keeps me going through the Starting zone time and again.
majorpain11 1 year ago
@majorpain11 as a undead i only have to go to the silverpine forest and this music will play
dfghj241 10 months ago
За АЛЬЯНС!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Legradian 1 year ago
FOR THE ALLIANCE, SPREAD THIS ON EVERY WOW VIDEO YOU EVER SEE!!!
megasonikdude2 1 year ago
@megasonikdude2 fail lol XD
helldevil555 1 year ago
the british are coming the bri.......wait...oh shit wrong game,
peparde12 1 year ago
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wuaaawuaaaa 1 year ago
@wuaaawuaaaa what
flyinglobsterr 1 year ago
even hordes luv this song,
( still horde FTW :d ).
hahanietgrappiglol 1 year ago
Alliance FTW!!! For the Alliance!!!!
meerkatman22 1 year ago 3
Worgen theme for the win :)
tigerglory 1 year ago
this is more spooky than the undead but one day the worgen will rid the world of those abomanations! FOR THE ALLIANCE! FOR THE DESTRUCTION OF THE UNDEAD!
starwarsfamilyguy0 1 year ago 4
First time I heard the Worgen music, if I'm completely honest, I hated it. By the end of the starting zone - I fucking loved it!
jolika03 1 year ago
0:22 <--- Worgen's smile :D :D
ildsabi91 1 year ago
@ildsabi91 You have very good imagination. I grinned like idiot for like 5 mins after i pictured the scene where worgen turns from human to worgen and then turns to you and smiles at 0:22 of this music :D
Arathir66 1 year ago
@Arathir66 Hahahaaaa :D Very good :)
ildsabi91 1 year ago
@Arathir66 The Forsaken are in the process of taking Gilneas, and have driven the Alliance from Hillsbrad Foothills and Andorhal. The Forsaken and the Horde will triumph! The Alliance and their foolish arrogance will crumble and fall!
Ultimaton100 1 year ago
This is actually the Gilneas/Worgen theme music, from beginning to end, so yeah the Gilnean Worgen are the new Alliance heroes.
mitrooper 1 year ago 2
This makes me think of The Sims Makin Magic
bradcacal20088 1 year ago
Kara R.I.P
MrDoomsmith 1 year ago
Harpsicord FTW!
UndercoverCracker 1 year ago
Glory to Gilneas!
Orrator900 1 year ago 3
for the Worgen :P
0t0nic 1 year ago
My favorite instance has always been Karazhan. Idc what anyone says.
SarethZhukov314 1 year ago
1:22-1:40 is nice :D :D :D
3vD1 1 year ago 8
Reminds me of the good old Kara days.
Ithyphallics 1 year ago
@Ithyphallics amen to that ... !
JulianLP742 1 year ago
i reckon if they turned up the tempo a little and added a slight beat to it, it would be a really epic theme
AdamTariq002 1 year ago
Yup, worgen theme.
thepwnofwow 1 year ago
This isnt near as cool as the war march and the night elf one
traith100 1 year ago
@traith100 I think it all depends on personal taste and sentimental value.
wkunzelman1 1 year ago
nice
L3gend33 1 year ago
god i love this :D
Norling99 1 year ago
Very unique compared to the other songs... I like it =]
RaiteAmano 1 year ago 2
For the Alliance!!!!
88Alura88 1 year ago 72
@88Alura88 Calm yer nipples. Youre not really on the alliance. Its pixels.
thepwnofwow 1 year ago
@thepwnofwow
lol, you've been replying every comment.
Herrkrabba123 1 year ago
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@Herrkrabba123 yes i have. because trolling is fun.
thepwnofwow 1 year ago
@thepwnofwow You sir a complete moron, its a game people play to get the hell out of real life, not be reminded of it, if you want to be a complete jackass do it someplace else. YOU FAIL! GOOD DAY SIR!
TheQuilanvos 1 year ago 20