Josef Stalin to be a Christian Saint?

[JCistGottMitUns]

Lying anti-religion English fool! SAINT STALIN WILL CRUSH YOU WITH HIS STEEL FISTS! Then Saint Hitler will scrape you into dustbin of history! Send all atheist libtard ethno-masochists to gulag!

[Kaktusreggae]

you american fools stop thinking you clever. stalin did more for russia than all you so called "democratic" presidents. even your education system is a complete joke what you learn at western universities is what you learn at russian 9th grade. now put your arrogance away you uneducated prostitutes and drug addicts. americans still define freedom as alcohol mcdonalds and coca fucking cola. lazy slothy people you are without ANY moral values. even the nazis were better people than you. hicks

[Logicman132]

@Kaktusreggae Do you think Stalin had moral values. Go watch ''The Soviet Story'' movie and we will see who has his eyes on propaganda.

[Kaktusreggae]

@Logicman132 you think im fucking stupid? i have watched more of those "movies" than anyone of you stupids and i say they ALL bullshit except some russian. read his books then read accoutns of soviet people about him. all old people in soviet union that lived in times of stalin remember him as a saint! nobody, nowhere, never lived better than the many internationalities in soviet union in times of stalin. my grand parents went to war shouting "for the motherland , for stalin" you kid

[Logicman132]

@Kaktusreggae 1) Because you say that only Russian sources are valuable you are extremely biased 2) He was known as a saint because he himself positioned himself this way. 3) gulags???. I known Stalin helped Russia in many ways, but he was also paranoid. If you cannot see that then you are truly brainwashed.

[Kaktusreggae]

@Logicman132 you talking nonsense. 1) where did I say that? I said that only some movies were good and these were russians not american 2) no he was known because he fucking saved the world from americas friend hitler and made a backward country the most progressive on earth! 3) gulags is american propaganda . gulags were only for murderers,thiefs rapers and traitors. russian criminals are worse than everything you can think of. and 90% had a sentence of less than 5 years. educate yourself

[jmm1233]

not the first time christians venerate a dictator , hitler birthday is still celebrated by the vatican

[Kaktusreggae]

long live stalin! long live russia! long live russian orthodox church! blessings

[BgKnoccoutGangstaDre]

He could be. Hitler was a Catholic.

[MrSeekLoad]

WHAT TH FUCK!!!! Put the devil Saint? He is atheist and Murderess Christian hater that made people cannibals in the name of Atheism.

That church is part of 666 and not part of the Orthodox church I am in although they call themselves Orthodox. They are so blinded by national selfishness that they are ignorant to what Stalin really was.

OBS! I know that the Russia church is true Orthodox I am only saying only of those that want Stalin as saint are part of 666.

[asebrookb]

Stalin was atheist

[Nuriko34]

@asebrookb

Oh man, you are wrong. He wasn't atheist. He just did not believe in religion.

[keltar2007]

WHAT DA FUCK???!!!

[DjordjeMagi]

if tsar dusan wasn't made saint this guy HAS NO CHANCE

[Frozenchroma]

To all of you who say a Communist can't be Christian you are wrong. The two are compatible, for God backs the State.

[Frozenchroma]

Yes! Hail the Motherland.

[TheThordir]

Under Stalin the Orthodox Church has increased it's influence. He killed royalist priests, who ednorsed the Czar. He ordained thousands of priests who were part of the KGB. HE ruined a hundreds of churches built by the Czras and he built other thousands. I should know, Romania was a Communist country, and now it is one of the msot religious countries in the EU, with 18 000 churhces , out of which 9000 were built under Ceasescu.

[deadshepherd666]

Why are you all fighting so much? Putting yourself into such dichotomous roles, as if we were different species? Can't you see that this veil of self-righteousness is what makes us susceptible to real demons like Stalin? What do we all really want? We want to be heard. So lets make Democracy, real Democracy for the whole world our goal. We have to be inventive, we have to think outside of the box if we want to reach this goal. Which means first, that we have to open our minds to each other

[9tailedfoxgoddess]

theres no such thing as an atheist church.

[compsciguy]

@9tailedfoxgoddess

Yes there is. Look it up.

[9tailedfoxgoddess]

Russians were Nazis, not Communists. Stupid christian fuckers. I hate revisionists.

[mainlionprince193845]

@9tailedfoxgoddess Why don't you just lay off christians and go fuck yourself and die. The world doesn't need you.

[Frozenchroma]

Retard.

[alexeykh]

This is a fantasy of (mostly atheistic - meaning that they have no proper conception of what a saint is) communists who are nostalgic for the times of a 'more glorious USSR.' The head of the Russian Orthodox Church has already made a statement that this could never be, so you can close down all the fantastical discussions now.

[TheThordir]

@alexeykh

Communism was dogmaitc. It was etatism.

[TheThordir]

@alexeykh

Communism was dogmatic. It was etatism.

[belladeballe]

I highly doubt the Orthodox church will canonize someone who has made every effort in his life to destroy Orthodoxy. Stalin will burn in hell for his actions!

[gerudgutierrez]

@belladeballe For saying that i seriously wish death upon you....you piece of shit.

[belladeballe]

@gerudgutierrez Your comments say a lot more about you than it does about me. I'm sorry you're so full of hate. I'll pray for you, dear. As for me, I don't fear death...I know where I'm going. Do you?

[gerudgutierrez]

@belladeballe Your not going to heaven....it does not exist...i seriously wish death on you for hoping someone burns in hell for eternity....please die....you are not going to heaven but to the dirt...except that you scum...and the even worse part is you say hes going to hell for not being orthodox instead of him commiting the atrocities he did....you are true scum at its finest...and dont pray for me because prayers dont work mother fucker.

[gerudgutierrez]

@belladeballe Oh and i am not full of hate....if you would have told me this to my face you would have regretted it one way or another...I just dont like scum.

[gerudgutierrez]

@belladeballe Oh and btw your comment says a lot more about you than it does me...most people would look at your comment and realize how delusional and childesh you are...you said "i know where im going." You really need to be forced into a mental society....you dont know where your going..i almost wish there was a hell for you to burn in for eternity....most people are not like you..even other christians...nutjob orthodox.

[maxime32]

15 million, eh? Well, that's progress, at least. The Telegraph-types used to claim 30-40 million. Perhaps in another decade, propagandistic history will have run its full course.

If you wrote that question afterwards, you don't know what you are talking about. Russian historians, even anti-Stalinists, don't accept the inflated figures passed as "truth" by (incidentally largely atheistic) Western historians, some of whom (Conquest) were linked to intelligence services.

[LordMalice6d9]

Greatest Russian in Russian history doesn't necessarily mean that they are or were a benevolent leader.

Ivan the Terrible was another powerful and successful Russian ruler, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was a grat guy either.

[Mstislavica]

EWWWW! This is beyond a sick joke - it's VOMIT! Stalin is burning in HELL for all those millions of innocent Slavic and other people who he murdered!

[texman210]

Proof positive that communists are extremely stupid. Stalin as saint?

Besides, all that garbage the narrator said at the end just shows that the atheists, communists, secularists, and other non-believers really are unbelievable in their stupidity.

[LordMalice6d9]

@texman210 Bolshevism was a Jewish invention to enslave the gentile races of mankind, Karl Marx and Freidrich Engels were both atheistic Jews.

[ppfuchs]

Great summary point at the end, given this bizarre idea.

[Slovjan]

Eh, some poeple just want to discredit Christianity, and destroy it from inside, as thay did not suceed in 2000 years from outside. Those people who blame Christianity the most, they are same people who came in to Christanity just to use it as a tool, so they only judge themselvs and not real Christians. živelo Pravoslavje!

[AnswerManofRome]

Communism uses atheism to give complete power to the dictator this is ridiculous.

[clottoyup]

whoa! is this guy irrational or what! he said it was st petersburgs communists that are calling for his sainthood, so that is enough ground to generalise the entire global christian population on that method of bending the truth, when it was that tiny niche that actually wants this to happen. I am a christian and i think stalin was one of the worst human beings to have ever existed, fact. I don't want his saint hood. So don't include me on that mass judgement.

[Thistlesifter220]

So they want to make a piltdown man out of Stalin... What's that got to do with the chariots from ancient Egypt they've actually found in the Red Sea?

[Gordaton]

Lenin should be declared a saint. Lenin was the best Russian who ever lived.

[ignati123]

Your argument against Christianity is invalid. Josef Stalin will not be declared a saint by the Orthodox Church. Those supporting this movement are psychopaths, illogical ultra-nationalists, and heretics.

There are loonies (aka 1%ers) in any given human group.

May I also remind you how atheists bent the truth in the Soviet Union, oh yeah, and they are also the ones responsible for the murder and suffering you just discussed concerning Joseph Stalin.

[joeyleeds7]

Ahhh bless you all - Uncle Joe a Saint? Nah - he'd spin in his grave at such bollox. Then again he's an athiest as all sensible people are. As a leader in the material world though - Top Man, the like the world hasn't seen since. Imagine - totally alone in the world (even Hitler had friends in UK/USA etc - Joe didn't) assailed from every side AND STILL he fucked em off. Respect, and he smiled so much more in the presence of 'ordinary' people and Hitler hated him - can't be bad. Wake up wankers

[aPopeNamedLuther]

He got things done, that's for sure. But it was all on the backs of millions of (often) innocent people who were unlucky enough to be named an enemy of the state. Cut from the same cloth as Hitler, he deserves no tributes, nor respect.

[rrrose1000]

Elchinim you did not understand my message here.

My meaning of my message is that a saint must be like Mother Theresa.

Of course Stalin is the opposite a monster that killed many people.

[sumadinac92]

Well they exagarated his victims like 50 times.Indeed during his reign died some 40 million people but 20 million of those died in WW2 and other 10 million died because of famine 5 million because of shitty health care which leaves 5 million who died directly because of Stallin(3 million because of forced labor and 2 million were executed).Stallin ordered around 1 million executions and didn't plan more.But he definately shouldn't be declared saint.

[jeffmagic32]

Stalin created the famine in the Ukraine, resulting in millions upon millions of deaths. He is history's second greatest mass murder.

[bardaveligio]

Stupid Russians!!!

They always loved to suck to their patrons in Kremlin more, than praise the god.

now they have even two Batkas in Kremlin:)))) Putan and Medved

very stupid and easily ruled people.

[JosefFritzlReligion]

yes look at Josef Stalin and his pussy voice even Josef Fritzl is harder Josef Fritzl looks like him

[rrrose1000]

We need to find God, and he cannot be found in noise and restlessness. God is the friend of silence. See how nature - trees, flowers, grass - grows in silence; see the stars, the moon and the sun, how they move in silenceWe need silence to be able to touch souls.

Mother Teresa

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Mother Theresa is a saint !

That Christianity .She did what Jesus preached!

[elchinim]

well said my friend

giving Stalin the same honour with Mother Theresa is just a sick thought

according to me

[ngubbenet]

The narrator is just telling you facts, if you don't beleive that many want stalin a saint, look it up for yourself! go online and see the people who are pushing him for sainthood and see all the "icons" they have made of him.The narrator is not sick the people who want stalin a saint are sick!

[reyter2007]

This narrator has a very sick imagination. A very sick person!

[sovietkotek]

i just watched this vid and im laughing my head off now, nice british accent, western cold war paranoia and popular culture have destroyed the minds of people and have turned them into zombies who all believe in nonsense like what is stated in this vid. anyway, on the contrary to wat is said, stalin actually rebuilt and re-opened more than 25,000 churches, re-built as in when the damned Nazi invaders came in and destroyed them.

[sovietkotek]

haha you guys, i know there are many FALSE "sources" that state the killing of millions of civilians by stalin,if thats the kind of nonsense you want to hype on,then i will not bother,but i need to ask a question,the west is saturated with the "estimates" of killed by stalin, so why is there no fixed number?i've heard people say 15 mil,20 mil,25 mil, even 60 mil, if every one realy studied on this then why is everyone coming up with completely contradicting numbers?reason-PROPAGANDA

[jeremija01]

NEVER!!!

[D0VER1987]

hahaaha =)

Stalin to be saint)))

He is burning in hell right now!!!

[aleclitvinov]

Ironically, Stalin would waste anyone who offered it. In fact he would shoot anyone whom he suspected to be able to think of it. He's rolling in his coffin.

[PinkoPapist89]

Does that voice belong to a less-belligerent-than-usual Pat Condell?

[Mrvort]

No way.

Stalin was FAR from a saint. He may have helped Russia with industrialization, but he also killed several million people. Plus he tried to abolish religion in the USSR.

[russianpride415]

Religion and Marxism is a tool for controlling the masses of people.

[alexm54]

Christian don't have saints, they just believe in Jesus Christ hence the name. Not that I care, religion is not something I like to debate about.

[Independence4Britain]

Is this a joke? what's next, Pope Kim-Jong ill?

[n8n8n8n8n8n8n8n8n8n8]

Stalin went to seminary when he was young. He quit, became an atheist, and ended up controlling Russia later on. Throughout the 20's and 30's, he persecuted the Church severely. Then, while he was losing WWII, he secretly ordered church services to be held in the Kremlin. In Stalingrad, an icon was hung from a plane and flown over the city while the Nazis had sieged it. Curiously, from that moment on, the Red Army began defeating the Nazis. After the war, Stalin made Russia go back to atheism.

[Maxie1111]

Wait, how could one person who never believed in God can be a saint? He never saw a picture of Our Lord to begin with.

[Mesina2]

I can't belive that he is 3rd most popular person in Russia.

[SirWinstonChurchill]

Capitalism = free speech = free trade = free thought = atheism = individual freedom

Communism = NO free speech = NO free trade = fascism = socialism = religion = collectivism

The high priests of communism are no different than the religionists.

[terrec]

there are no high priests of communism

[12valvepower1]

CCCP

[katdanmo2]

We can not make our minds because it is yoru job to take care of yoru own Saints or none saints!If we say some thing you again come after us adn criticiz us again. We are araid to get involved into yoru business. I believe Stalin was an Atheist but other peple may disagree with me adn tell me I do nto know better because I am not Orthodox!

[katdanmo2]

Russia lost their religious adn their minds as soon as they were liberated from Communist party. SOme of them converting to Islam,they forget about Christianity. I do tno know much about Orthodox.I lived in those area as a child,my father was a an army and ambassador in those area. We used to go to Orthodox churches,Why there is this Mafia Russian and KGB still rulling the Russia, some people are so rich,some others are poor.Why Russia is still a dictator country today!

[katdanmo2]

Only Vatican can make some one a saint, please give me a fucking break!Suddenly Atheists are saying that Stalin Lenin Hitler were all suddenly got sick...lol And I will tell you, they wre Atheists, behind every single Atheist there is this huge force of Dictatorship, tehy did not all at once go coo coo crazy adn paranoied...lol

[Dudtz]

The Vatican is the Western Catholic Church,not the Eastern Catholic Church.

[Melon12321]

The Vatican (Catholics) is one of many Christian religions in the world, they can't decide who is a saint for the Eastern Orthodox Church only there own Church.

[katdanmo2]

a high degreee general or a resistant actually in the world wars. YOu sound so gay!YOu must be one of thoseAtheists morns who blame your own dictatorsips at us!North Korean Leaders Chinese Leaders Hitler Lenin Stalin they were all Atheists and officially they denied the existence of GOd ass whole, every one knows that. What are you a retarded ass??..LOL

[katdanmo2]

What kind of moron are you??Hitler Stalin Lenin they were all Atheists. My grand father served World war one and two, My big aunt was a resistant and went to the concentration camps three times. Would I believe in a bunch fo none sense you made up from Internet or soem one who was

[Karoljvanja]

it's not true what you tell about the school books.

I heard it before, couldn't believe it and then asked while my last trip to Moscow some Children I know there to rend me their books.

None of the books glossed over the bad part of Stalin.

It's a lie and defamation.

And this sentence is not only a defamation and a lie but also stupid:

Some claim that by the end of the 21st century, icons of St Josef Stalin will be in every Orthodox Church.

Who bought the Stalin-icons? Surely the communists!

[voiceofdeaths]

heh he most bloody killers in this wold history be christian A.Hitler and J.Stalin.

Religion must be prohibit.

[fugitive88888]

Joseph Stalin was responsible for 68 million deaths. Russia is going radical again Gorgia now Ukraine then Poland and other Baltic States . And Sarkozi is smiling like Kermit because they never had to deal with russia's brutality

[Fridaey13txhOktober]

"Joseph Stalin was responsible for 68 million deaths."

In that case, Barbarossa would have been sucessfull and Germany would have won WW2.

[justiakas]

i'd say 50 million (as a median of what best known researchers estimate), not more. still its an enormous amount. indirectly, stalin is responsible for 20 mln soviet citizens, who died in ww2 as he encouraged and supported hitler.

[Fridaey13txhOktober]

After WW2, there was quiet a noticable shortage of manpower in the soviet-union.

Had all these fantaisies about Stalin been true, eastern German borders today would be the Arkangelsk-Astrakhan line.

[justiakas]

totally agree. if 68 million instead of 50 million were slaughtered by stalin's regime, there would be no may 9th.

[SirWinstonChurchill]

Not at all...

The Russians would have starved to death if it weren't for Allied sea convoys in the North and rail supplies from the East.

Britain stood alone while the rest of the world was contemplating their own cowardess.

Britain prevailed.

[Fridaey13txhOktober]

Hahahaha! Allied food was rotten, not even dogs could eat it.

British empire was abolished long before soviet-union, sold and surrendered appart piece by piece. As if it wasn`t enought, britain itself was sold to the yankees and now to pakis, lowcasts and niggers. Had it not been for Churchill`s short-sighteness and paranoia, british empire would still exist today.

[SirWinstonChurchill]

They were feeding Soviets, not dogs. The nutrition standard for dogs is much higher.

[Fridaey13txhOktober]

Face it, Churchill knowingly sacrified the british empire for rotten power to remain. Stood against the German to become the bitch of the yankee.

[SirWinstonChurchill]

America was founded by Englishmen...

[Fridaey13txhOktober]

You forgot the Scottish and Irish. :D

[rocksoliddude1]

and welsh

[antiderivativeman]

How does a few crazy people wanting to canonize Stalin disprove Christianity? The Orthodox Church is extremely opposed to this he will never make it saint hood. I could easily use this "logic" to "disprove" theories atheists love like evolution. Although I'm not against evolution, using your logic one could say evolution is a giant distortion of history, like you have tried to say of Christianity.

[RawryMcRawr]

@antiderivativeman The newspaper article sounds like nothing more than twisted minor news about small extreme social groups, but why feel the need to drag evolution into this? Every non-christian (note: not just atheists) believes that christianity is a distortion of history by definition that they aren't christian and don't believe the bible as truth. Calling an atheist out on the fact that they think christiantiy is false is ridiculous.

[Tome4kkkk]

@antiderivativeman Exactly! Getting interested in this absurdity (one of many in Russia and post-soviet countries) alone proves that this vid is bullshit and its author is not much better. And he marches under the banner of common sense, LOL!

[blue777777777777777]

Stop brainwashing your kids! Tou don't want to be communist. Stalin was like Hitler, he burned churches, it's in out history books! Look waht gorbachev did, without him, your parnets could not afford a computer for myspace! This putin guy and the currnet presidant have been planning this after gorbachev,I know he'll kill you if you dissoboe, just hang in there, you don't want to be communist!

[Lancia444]

Stalin was an atheist suffering from Paranoia (just as Stalin's hero, Ivan the Terrible) ...the notion of canonizing him is simply preposterous.

[stagism]

Stalin truly was a great leader.

[SaviorOfLogic]

I really hope the Stalin=Saint is a joke, if its true, cite a source

[isaakios]

Also... stupid argument: "counterfits exist, therefore this disproves the real thing."

Open your eyes.

[isaakios]

These are lies. Don't believe everything you see on YouTube.

[BUECHERRAZ]

Of course, it shows the Orthodox Church is the only true Christian Church. Greetings from a Roman Catholic heretic!

[Aegialeus]

That is insane.

[Belle19700]

Now I know the world has gone mad.

[Intse]

From statistics point of view, Stalin was far worse then Hitler was..

[victimlesscriminal]

Thanks for that ideasforfeelings. I'll check him out and let you know.

[HGLOBAL]

Hang on mister! You begin by admitting that Stalin is an atheists' SAINT. Then you admit that he was a mass-murdering bastard.

Then you athestically prophesy: that the Orthodox Church SHALL ACCEPT this criminal as their SAINT. (Because atheists command them to.)

Then you accuse the Orthodox Church of fulfilling YOUR fantasy, 100 years from now.

HE WHO OWNS THIS FANTASY OWNS THE CRIME. Of Slander.

Don't do it. Instead, commit the crime of saying who you could love ...

[victimlesscriminal]

HGLOBAL: You fail to realise that I am merely paraphrasing what the newspaper article said. The only point I personally raises is that this ridiculous case of re-writing history shows how skeptical we have to be of the so-called religious facts from so called religious history.

You are way off the mark in your criticism and should listen to the video again and check that you have understood it properly. Better still, search for the article in the Telegraph and see for yourself.

[HGLOBAL]

Be sceptical by all means.

I've watched it again, and I still see the same argument there: the atheist Communist Party of St Petersburg are obvious liars, therefore victimlesscriminal shall allow himself to accuse any NON-atheist of having the same low standards.

Sorry, I'm still sceptical about that. But please attack muslim nonsense at will.

[ChuckyJesus666]

The greatest Russian who ever lived was Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky; close behind were Modest Mussorgsky, Alexander Borodin, Nicolai Rimsky-Korsakov, Igor Stravinsky, Serge Prokofiev, and Dmitri Shostakovich.

Anyway, yes I totally agree with your point.