Paraplegic Self-Defense #3: Stopping the Ground and Pound

[joeysmokesz195]

couldnt you wrap your arms around there back, pull then into you and trap there ankle with ur heel, bridge and get in guard?

[NotMe1357]

@joeysmokesz195 Paraplegics can't do that. That is why the video is for paraplegics.

[stompySharpNpointy]

@NotMe1357 at 2:15 adding a flashlight or pocket stick to this will really add to it striking the chest and arms with them would really injure a ground and pound attacker

[bjjartist]

use the legless trap and roll its much safer as you don't get hit. As a bjj purple belt i use it everyday against guys much bigger than me.

[NotMe1357]

@bjjartist that would require use of the persons lower body and trunk muscles to perform. Paraplegics don't have use of those muscles.

[bjjartist]

@NotMe1357 some trunk use is required to bring the person down on top of yes. but there are other methods of doing that(a groin strike as you show does work). This escape requires ZERO leg strength its NOT a traditional as taught by the gracies its a modified version my instructor(A Carlson Gracie Black Belt) taught me after i explained i can't do traditional escapes due to my cerebral palsy limiting my lower body mobility. If you can roll over you can do this escape trust me.

[NotMe1357]

@bjjartist I appreciate the detailed rely. My point is that a lot of paraplegics with a higher level of injury, myself included, can't roll over without use of our arms. And even if we could. The opponent would just counter-roll.

[NotMe1357]

The only thing that is a joke is a child who trains for 2 years and believes he understands combat very clearly. Please come back when you reach maturity.

[Keith6192]

There another way to get out of the ground and pound.lol

[URMOMB1TCh3Z]

that's not a choke but it still works unless the guy plays dirty and starts to bite you.

[BoomminsBabe]

I would like to thank you for these vids, I am a Kajukenbo black belt and have been teaching kids for years, the other day I invited a new student to class, an 11 year old paraplegic boy. I think he can do everything we can to defend himself except use his legs. I find your videos inspiring and will make sure sees them. Keep up the traing!.

[billysue2]

@BoomminsBabe so your a black belt and you cant see this technique is completely unuseable,mother of jaysus,save us from clowns like you.

[NotMe1357]

@billysue2 You weakness may not be physical, it is clearly mental. People with weak minds and spirits need to be insulting of things they don't understand. It makes them feel better about their shortcomings. I suggest you stick to commenting on videos that relate to MMA not self-defense for paraplegics.

[billysue2]

@NotMe1357 I understand combat very clearly after 2 yrs training and competing,grappling mostly for the last few yrs due to injury.Itsnot insulting to observe that there are very few options available to someone without the use of their legs under the mount of a larger able bodied man ,its an impossible situation and the example shown here is an outright joke and irresponsible.

[NotMe1357]

@billysue2 The only thing that is a joke is a child who trains for 2 years and believes he understands combat very clearly. Please come back when you reach maturity. The fact that you even mention competition shows your total lack of understanding. This video has nothing to do with competition. Do you also tell blind people that they cannot read braille because you can't? Do you tell deaf people that they cannot read lips because you don't know how? Grow up!

[billysue2]

@NotMe1357 i meant 25 yrs,im 38 yrs old.I mentioned competition because thats where the opponent is really trying to best you,at least in full contact and grappling styles whereas in self defense training its generally compliant in most schools.I dont need to be handicapped to know that defenses from the bottom without legs desnt work,its very difficult to do with full use of the legs if the attacker is really agressive

[ohitsubob]

jesus what kind of asshole would attack a paraplegic

[crozsi]

You could probably get an anaconda choke to work in that position too.

[NotMe1357]

Thanks for your input.

Please describe the "anaconda"choke for those, who are unfamilar with it.

[billysue2]

@crozsi you couldnt get anything to work from that position .If your legs dont work and your on the ground you are fucked,full stop,there is no defense with leg work.Those strikes he threw were powerless and he couldnt break posture to control the mans head and it wasnt a choke either,it was a headlock that has no effect

[IscariotsAngel]

I can see what you're saying now. I think it does make sense as a neck crank and pain compliance move. Thanks for the clarification.

[IscariotsAngel]

Step One: fight like a schoolgirl, it works better than boxing covers.

Step Two: Choke someone. Who is mounted on you. While they are still mounted on you. Yeah.

Genius.

[NotMe1357]

It is common for a beginning martial artist criticize another person's technique when it does not fit his one dimensional viewpoint of technique. It is easy to be judgemental when you are ignorant of what is actually occuring.

Unfortunately, some choose to display their ignorance for the whole world to see.

Time to grow up little boy.

[IscariotsAngel]

I'm a blue belt in BJJ and I love competition. I've seen alot of Crazy moved pulled and gone "wow, I didn't think that could be done".

But I have NEVER seen anyone come even close to choking out someone who is MOUNTING them, let alone seen it done without a collar (as in the clip) or without using anything other than arms. Just how is what you've "demonstrated" here even physically possible- you're just grabbing his head! If you could teach me I'd love to learn- lets see it step by step.

[IscariotsAngel]

What I see is a rear naked choke applied from the wrong direction. If he was facing the opposite direction, then it would choke him sure, but in that direction you're just "throttling" the back of his neck. There's no pressure on the corroted arteries when it's that angle, or certainly not enough to make him faint. It could be a neck crank if you twisted it enough i suppose, but that's not a choke. Very interested to see how this is supposed to make someone pass out.

[IscariotsAngel]

As for the open hand strikes, I suppose you've got to do what you can in that position, and I don't have enough experience using them to judge. Just trying to choke people out from underneath a mount is something I've seen (and felt) attempted again and again and it's always met with failure.

I'll retract the first part of my comment, but I hold true to the second.

[NotMe1357]

Nothing in the video stated it was a demonstration of either a MMA or grappling technique. Presumable, as a blue belt in BBJ you are not out there attacking paraplegics. This technique was not demonstrated for use against martial artists who are engaged in competition. The technique works due to the application of pressure from the radial bone on the back of the neck which causes extreme pain if done correctly and with overwhelming power, but as you stated it is not a blook choke.

[NotMe1357]

The choke was a only a insignificant part of the video. The video is about the ineffectiveness of the "protective" and "submitted" emotional mindset and the need for "violent" emotional mindset (attacking the attacker) when in this type of situation. The first part of the video clearly demonstrated the "submitted" mindset in the fight between the two school boys.

Why are you so focused on physical technique when the video is really about emotional mindsets?

[haygoodfly]

If guy's point is to seek the truth... if you're not really choking the guy then don't say you're choking him. If it's a mistake it's mistake, but if you feel you have to lie to get the emotional mindsets up then so be it as long as we're clear that you are being deceptive.

[haygoodfly]

Don't get me wrong. I think this is a very honorable program, teaching parpalegic's how to defend themselves. But untruths are indefensible even if it's for a good cause.

[NotMe1357]

Deception and untruths are strong words and imply that you know more than what you saw in a short video clip. A pain compliance choke can easily be transitioned in to a blood choke. A "face choke" is a pain compliance choke too. Debating terminology is a waste of time. Anyone can criticize, but a good martial artist would try to figure out why something actually does work. Can you figure out why it does work?

[NotMe1357]

In the situation shown, the choke works for the following reasons.

1. I have a stronger upper body than the "attacker".

2. The "attacker" has experiance in TKD not grappling, therefore, he not developed a high neck pain tolerance.

3. My left forearm has been conditioned by climbing thousands of stairs in my wheelchair over the past 20+ yrs. Therefore, it is considerably stronger than the average persons.

[NotMe1357]

4. I am using the large muscles of my upper back and shoulders to apply the power. Therefore, I am able to generate more power than someone who is unfamiliar with this method.

All of the points I mentioned above would not be uncommon for a paraplegic who was NOT engaged in a grappling match, but was actually attacked by a non-martial artist.

If you were unable to determine any of these points from the video, then you need to spend more time learning and less time being judgement.

[haygoodfly]

Look, you yourself state that it's not a choke. If i'm a parapalegic and I look at your video, I'm thinking i can tie a guy up, trap him and in a couple seconds he will lose conscienceness due to lack of oxegen to the brain. From anaylizing the video and from what your telling me that's not true wether your a Ju Jitsu practitioner or not. Keep the over all video the same just don't say that you can choke somebody out with no legs in that position. It's misleading.

[NotMe1357]

#1. You are spending quite a good deal of time on semantics. Usually only lawyers get caught up in this type of circular argument. The definition of a choke as I am using it is more than either depriving a person of either blood or oxygen.

As I stated before, a "face choke" is still a choke. An interlock "choke" from the position shown doesn't need to involve blood or air, as long as it causes sufficient pain for compliance.

[NotMe1357]

#2. In your comment you state "If i'm a paraplegic..." But you are not. Therefore, you have no experiance with performing techniques without the use of your lower body. Therefore, since you depend upon your lower body to make a technique work, you can not understand how someone else can make it work.

[NotMe1357]

#3.3. In a real self-defense situation I would put my chin in to the attackers eye for maximum effect, or simply use an eye gouge with the right hand, or maybe bite. None of these actions make for good video so I simply showed a "choke".

[billysue2]

@NotMe1357 its not a choke and more to the point,you could never get anyone strong and able bodied in that position without full use of your legs.Paraplegics are like women and kids,they are very unlikely to be able to defend themselves and must just use avoidance or weapons to stay safe,its not discriminatory,its just good sense if you happen to have that condition.

[NotMe1357]

@billysue2 What you are trying to say is that the technique will not work on YOU. And you are also unable to make it work for YOU. Yes, it possible to use an interlock choke from the bottom if THAT IS THE ONLY WAY YOU TRAIN. Of course, it will not work for you because you USE YOUR LOWER BODY AND THEREFORE ARE DEPENDANT UPON IT.

This is not a demonstration of MMA. You are letting your limited knowledge and arrogance display itself. You may be a skilled martial artist, but you write like a child

[billysue2]

@NotMe1357 it wouldnt work on anyone agressive and bigger which is everyone who carries out assaults.All defenses off the back rely on the legs,its impossible to break the top mans posture without it.Also those stikes from the bottom do not work,just put on 16 ounce gloves and have a big dude pound on you from top,youll soon find out

[NotMe1357]

#4. My question is this: why are young able bodied men who practice MMA style martial arts commenting on a video which clearly is intended for people with disabilities and whose subject matter is self-defense not sport fighting?

[haygoodfly]

The definition/effect of a choke is the same if you're a paraplegic or able bodied, whether you are competing in MMA or interested in self defense. Trying to discredit what someone says by boxing them into a group distracts from the topic at hand. You recognize that it is not a choke but then say that simply causing excrutiating pain is your definition of a choke. That's like pointing to a red car and calling it blue and then explaining your own definition of blue. The word is already defined.

[andme]

fucken gay ass school boys cant fight for shit.

[NotMe1357]

As a paraplegic, you are at a huge disadvantage to an experianced fighter trained in submissions. #1 Do not get into a fight with this type of individual. #2 If you do, you must use the art of deception to gain some type of opening.

[Lavarpsu10]

I watched the "techniques off your back" video too, but since those depend on the attacker trying to control both wrists and to re-initiate ground n' pound rather than submissions, I'm curious how you would deal with them. Thanks for your time, love the videos.

[Lavarpsu10]

I'm curious about this one, how would you defend against someone who's trained in submissions? It seems like those strikes might be effective in deterring someone who only knows how to strike, but someone who knows how to do an armbar or keylock would attempt to trap your arm and do that instead once you begin to strike.

[NotMe1357]

Yes, you are right, but now you are grappling which requires a new defense. The point of the video was simply to show how to survive the initial strikes from someone who has mounted you and is intending to beat you into submission.

[Johnf85]

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[Johnf85]

i retract this statement. i did not know that this dude was actually a paraplegic. i apologize......

[NotMe1357]

I took a look at your videos on your youtube page. You are clearly a talented athelete. But being athletic and having the ability to grapple and box does not necessarily imply that you understand the mental and emotional aspects of self-defense. Self-defense is not about who can execute the best technique (that is for MMA fights to determine).

[NotMe1357]

When you are fighting in MMA you are there by choice, you are fighting a person of similar size, weight, strength and ability, and you do NOT expect to receive a serious injury. Self-defense is for those who are attacked by someone who wants to victimize, rape, or kill them. This is a completely different mindset.

[NotMe1357]

Regarding my open hand striking, which you refer to as patty cake, open hand striking may not look powerful or dramatic but it is faster and more distracting than a closed fist, especially when executed on your back with out the benefit of your lower body. In addition the intention is to stun and inflict whipping strikes to the face and eyes while intercepting and deflecting the incoming strikes.

[NotMe1357]

Take a close look at MMA fights, when an inferior fighter is mounted and begins to take on serious head strikes, the common response is to either cover like a boxer or push away regardless of all previous training. The reason is that he has entered into a defensive mindset. At this point his technical ability has become useless. This is the world of self-defense.

[poppoloco]

would it be better to pull attacker in and bite

pulling him closes distance and biting just hurts

[NotMe1357]

Yes, pulling in and biting is a valid technique. But the most important issue is that your attacker is striking down on your head with rapid powerful blows that must be stopped, deflected, or blocked. The time it takes to grab and pull is enough time for the attacker to knock you out with a strike to the head. That is why you first deal with the strikes then pull him in and bite, choke or whatever.

[okaylangakoikaw]

LMFAO!!! 2:12!! nice one! haha!!

[MuayThaiEmperor]

Would it be instead possible to try to grab one of his arms and apply some kind of joint manipulation like twisting his wrists or elbows or both to either injure him or cause him enough pain to back off?

By the way, I really like all these videos you've posted.

[NotMe1357]

Yes, it is absolutely possible to use joint locks in this situation, but only AFTER the initial onslaught of punches and elbows have been countered and the attacker has been DISRUPTED and DISTRACTED by your counter-strikes.

[NotMe1357]

PART II.

It is very difficult to apply a joint lock to an opponent that is in the process of striking you. The very process of striking has put the attacker's focus and strength into his hands, wrists, and arms. You must take his focus and strength AWAY from his hands, wrists, and arms first (poke him in the eye, slap his groin, rip his ear, strike his throat), thus creating the opportunity to apply some type lock.

[Bluedragon9151]

Well, if the attacker is really that far up on your chest, you could try kneeing him. It might help

[NotMe1357]

People with paralysis of the lower body are not able to "knee" attackers.

[Bluedragon9151]

Yeah, i realized that about 20 seconds after i posted, sorry.