they need to take a certain amount of these fish out of the wild as they are doing here but with gentle care and send them all to a farm where they came produce mass quantities of this fish , and then send these non wild otos to other farms so they can continue this process and keep it going . then less pet stores will buy from these guys , they go out of business and then we don't hurt the ecosystems in the amazon.
I just bought 2 of these at $2.50+ tax each, they ate all the algaes in the aquarium but don't touch any food I am offering. Poor bastards are starving, one even attempted to scrape some algaes of angelfish. I won't buy any wild-caught fish ever again.
@TheSickEarth Add some zucchini, broccoli, carrots, and lettuce to the tank. I bet they'll eat one or more of them. Remove whatever they don't eat after a few days and put new pieces of various vegetables in.
@TheSickEarth Add some zucchini, broccoli, carrots, and lettuce to the tank. I bet they'll eat one or more of them. Remove whatever they don't eat after a few days and put new pieces of various vegetables in.
They put hundreds of them in a little plastic bag, the stay in these bags for a week, without food and fresh water, 90% of them is dead before they reach the pet stores, there alot of them die too, because the got sick or they die from hunger, i`m not saying the cant catch these fish, i just dont think this is a good method of catching them.
To think how much money they get off of selling these algae eaters in the per store when it looks like catching them is so easy and you catch like 500!
Disculpen todos: ¿Y de donde creian que venian todos los peces amazonicos que estan en venta en los negocios de peces y acuarios ? ¿Creian acaso que vienen de piscigranjas ? jajajajaja, que ilusos. Esta es la forma como se capturan y se trasladan los peces amazonicos en Venezuela, en Colombia, en Brasil, en Perú, en Bolivia y en Ecuador solamente. Es gracias a gente como esta que subsisten la acuariologia, los acuaristas, y ese hobbie en terminos generales.
Algae BOOM! LOL I can't say this video struck me as a horrible practice it looks like they may have baited them. Man has always exploited nature to the point of destruction or extinction so human nature always concerns me. I still can't believe the fish I have in my tank came from a place like that all the way to my LPS crazy .
Can't we be content with breeding fish from aquarium stock? The different types of tropical fish being kept is staggering, no need to take any animal or plant out of its natural habitat to pleasure some indivual's necessity to have something 'special'.
The only justification would be to professionally attempt to breed endangered species, but sometimes that isn't possible because there aren't at times even enough left to keep a healthy genetic pool alive.
@TheOneAndOnlyMichel Who are you to decide what animal lives on or not? You claim to not want human interaction with animals in their natural habitat, because nature wants them to be alive. Yet, you want human interaction when nature says its time for a species to die.
@dyen2live1137 if it is not nature but human acton that brings a species to the brink of extinction, therein lies a responsibility which if neglected hints only to the lack of maturity of such humans
Eventually, any body of water that suffers from eutrophication, be it from surface run-off (deforestation &/or intensive farming practices) CANNOT sustain it's aquatic inhabitants for the long-term. Eventually, those otos WILL perish if the monsoon torrents don't move them out to the main river & purify the water. By chance, Ivan Mikolji happened to be there & caught them BEFORE they die out. Cruel? What about deforestation polluting the habitat? Not cruel then? U r displaying double standards.
no wonder these fish die so easily in an aquarium. you have people like this who are doing their job catching them so that we can have them in our tanks, however the way they handle them is joke! very cruel and just stupid. there has to be better ways.
as for everyone asking for the color. its algae water. water can get tinted from algae. it can happen in aquariums. nothing bad. and besides, otto cats thrive off algae, so i wouldnt be surprised finding such big groups in such condensed areas.
@MegaToren you actually amused me. i got a good laugh at it. great trolling you did there. and judging me through a video thats over a year old? good fucking job. i dont need to be a scientist for my opinion and or ideas to be valid you fuck. and who the fuck do you think you are? aside from some fuck behind a screen trolling on youtube. also i see you didnt even pass grade school. You put spaces after every word. And wtf are you doing trolling on a video like this? very sad of you.
@proto35 Sure, it's nothing bad in the aquarium - we have UV sterilizers for that! Fact: Otos eat algae. But they're NOT filter feeders that can sift suspended unicellular algae in the water. They GRAZE on hard surfaces. A prototypical & HEALTHY otocinclus habitat does NOT look like that! This is a symptom of EUTROPHICATION. Find out what that means on Wikipedia, will u? Then tell me if it's healthy for a body of water to take on that tinge.
@proto35 2ndly May I ask how you would implement a more ethical method of collecting finger-sized catfish that dart @ d speed of light in a pool that can fit a herd of elephants? A 3-inch harpoon, perhaps? My friend, otos r CATFISH. They can survive a couple of mins out of water without incurring permanent damage. If you're saying it's impractical 2 collect fish without incurring even 1 loss of life, thn I'm sorry ur in d wrong era - we don't have transportation technology dat adavanced yet.
@86HairMetal otto cants arent that fast. especially if you can catch about 1000 in one simple scoop. Your sarcasm doesnt make you sound anymore correct than you are trying to be. Its not rocket science to figure out a less stressful way of taking fish. Otto Cats are hardy fish, but after a month of having them in an aquarium. These fish go through a lot of stress, even other fish, hence why LFS have so many dead fish on arrival.
@proto35 I must admit; after careful analysis, I can safely say you do have a valid point of view. Reviewing this video once more, I somehow get the feeling that Ivan Mikolji's team are not well-prepared to take on the task of catching these fish; they usually photograph instead of catching wild fish. That simple hand-net is not quite going to cut it for this expedition. You are right - there could have been a better way. This expedition team was unfortunately not well-equipped. My bad.
@86HairMetal im not freaking out on how they are caught, im merely stating that its not the BEST option in MY opinion. Just because you take them out of their natural conditions due to poor conditions or under the assumption that they cant adapt, and put them in a tank, it doesnt make you god or prove you are making a difference. All i am saying is that i feel that their can be better methods. End of story.
@proto35 Hmm... I respect your humility as opposed to my ready-in-arms approach to argument. Somewhere along the line, I got pretty caught up with all this trolling, you see. I failed to see that all other opinions do have their merits. Well, it's end of story but I admit it was refreshing to have someone prove a valid opinion. We are all learning, myself included. Peace, proto35.
@314edwood its algae. water can turn green due to algae. not harmful at all. it happens to peoples tank every now and then. these fish thrive on algae, so if the water is green from algae, then i wouldnt be surprised if the otto cats are eating up all the algae which is underwater.
My argument alone is enough to justify catching these fish. It's lengthy, but certainly more valid than merely saying, "Oh, that's wrong!" or "May your generation burn in hell for doing that!"
Ivan Mikolji, like Heiko Bleher have been through shit & God knows where man would rather NOT go, in a race against time to discover & rescue fish before they go extinct! Of course, they don't give a damn about that part, these self-righteous conservationist wanabes!!!
@ ThatDutchIdiot - There are some hardcore, self-professed nature-lovers who think Ivan's team is practicing ANIMAL CRUELTY, simply because they 'feel' that catching these fish is wrong.
What these IDIOTS don't realise is that WE aquarists have a role to play in protecting fish species, like these Otos.
They're just TALK - it's us who are saving these fish from extinction. By catching, rearing & breeding them, we form a global 'Noah's Ark' for future re-introduction purposes.
Why the hell is there such big discussion about catching them? 10 of these little fish life in my aquarium like they would in the nature. They get more food than they get in the nature, the tank is cleaned once in a while and the water is clear.. I think they are better off in my tank than in the nature, with all it's predators.
To all you self-righteous, self-proclaimed "conservationaist vigilantes" out there - SHUT UP!!! If you care so much about Nature to the point where you can't bear to see a blade of grass bent, WAKE UP!!! Don't be a hypocrite - why use computers to become a poofy keyboard-warrior; technology is destroying Nature too, you know.
So, stop rambling about your freedom of speech to be the voice of Mother Nature when you're not sure. Let the pros do their part, not you bitch-fit yahoos!
The green-colored water is due to unicellular algae, characterising eutrophic or simply, polluted water. Why? Beacuse of deforestation. Notice the sparse jungle cover? This is man's doing. When terrestrial vegetation cover is removed, rain causes soil erosion which pollutes the river.
Hence, it's better to catch them & allow aquarists to sustain the next generation of these little catfish than let them suffer the wrath of extinction, due to habitat-loss, isn't it? Lastly...
There's more to this vid than bias human interjection of emotions can tell. Let me tell you. 1st, this is the BEST way of catching otocinclus. Traditionally, natives use natural sedatives or even CYANIDE to weaken these elusive & lightning-fast fish. The latter is cruel, for many fish that arrive at import zones have already succumbed to poisoning & die by the thousands.
2nd, why catch them when they are free to roam, right? The secret lies in the green colored water...
soo many people are complaining about this but this is nothing compared to the scale the oceans are being fished. by your american fleets and no one seems to give a damn these are two men doing it on a minute scale. and if there are enough fish to get that many in a net ful then the population in that small pond is large enough to support the loss.
@SouthAmericanFishMan Free speech and it was only an opinion. Don’t like it? Move to North Korea. While you are there take an anger management class with Kim Jong-il.
@estrellanocka amigo estos son ictiologos venezolanos (no chav), seguro los pescan para un estudio o algo ve la pagina que ponen en la descripcion, es la unica pagina privada en venezuela que promueve el cuidado de los rios.
Well... this peapol are specialist in fish they are biologist very famous in venezuela, i think that they do a study or something after catch those otos... ryan12381793: in one of there videos they inteview a man that live of this and help him to protect the habitad, look hes page pecesdevenezuela
did any one stop to think this might actually be a fish farm in south america? the green water alone suggests this water isn't moving so fast or is inclosed people do somtimes section off parts of rivers or make ponds so that local wild life can breed freely so they can be harvested. also people have to make money from a locale enviroment or they'll simply tear it down. more algae eating fish die in home tanks then during shipment because people neglect to feed them actual vegetable matter.
unfortunately these collectors use poisons such as cyanide to temporarily incapacitate these fish to facilitate catching them. this can seriously injure these fish which leads to their high mortality rate when first introduced to captivity.
Consider that it has been said that people catch Oto (which are hard to catch, if you've ever owned them) by diffusing poisons (cyanide, etc.) upstream to slow them down, this is considerably more humane.
Also, consider that this is probably deep in Amazonian jungle (notorious for its inaccessibility) in unspoiled habitat. It probably took significant travel by jeep and scrambling/bushwacking on foot.
It doesn't make it right to pack the fish so tight, but it is understandable.
@DtEW Being that these are the realities of collecting Oto even in a relatively "humane" method, it is very easy yet completely irresponsible for us far to get indignant and villainize the collectors.
But really, it's us being ignorant dumbasses and blaming everybody else but ourselves, who continue to buy Oto without taking the time and money to make sure they were farmed.
I mean, if you eat beef, you can't choose to be blind to the fact that they do have to shoot Bessie and gut her.
Fucking bastards!!!!Conchas de su madre!!! Mental retarded predators..... should have their balls amputaded...their families terminated....and thei whole existence just mangled for once!!!!
Otos don't breed well in captivity, most tank spawnings have been completely by accident and the spawn survival rates are so small, it's cheaper to net them out of the wild!
This is my most favorite aqua fish - have a small pack of them ( 20 pieces ) in 200 L aquarium. They are so powerful agains algae and dont even think to eat some flora. Just cleaning all aquarium all over again... And price in Czech Republic ? 1 USD per one piece (just to imagine the price comparing to the number they caught :) )
Actually, those guys weren't so bad. What usually happens is people poison the water from upstream to slow the Otos down and catch them by the thousands. Those guys were just doing it privately. It's the commercial guys that are REALLY scary.
Somehow I don't think these guys were sitting and watching their 55 gallon starter kit from Wal Mart and thinking they ought to go out and catch some otocinclus to control the algae. When trying to make some money, taking so much is absolutely necessary.
@Meowbay i have a planted tank with discus. it's captive strain too so no i am not the one buying them and i know they are captivity bred cause they are cheaper than wild ones. no one will sell me wild ones for the price i paid
@uzbeco Hmm.. it's not that bad. The water there is so full of oxygen, they can last up to 14 hours without adding air to that bag. Trust me, I've seen it with my own eyes.
Otocinclus must have one of the worst survival rates of any fish imported. I'd presume they don't take well to being starved for a week prior to shipment which seems standard procedure for exporters. If u can keep them for a couple of weeks after importation they're usually ok after that. Shame cos great little fish. I find ancistrus often have same problem. Tank breds preferable in both cases.
Sorry, got to continue the other post here. Stupid 500 character limit!
Anyways, like was saying, otos are only sold to the pet stores for a couple cents, sometimes less than a cent, depending on the region and the actual contract. Only african cichlids go for over 5 cents. Yet they are a dollar or two at the pet store. The main reason for this, is that so many otos die in shipping.
They pay for 500 of them and recieve 50 of them. They jack up the prices to compensate.
como se les de la gana, su "empreza" va a terminar muy mal y ustedes malditos regresaran a su vida horrible de vender pan por sus pueblos mas incivilizados, es por eso
que nosotros la nueva generacion de Pretectores de la Vida Salvaje, esta sobre saliendo
para terminar con todos ustedes. Rian y sigan
haciendo todo lo que quieran pero eso si tegan por seguro que ESTA NO SERA LA UNICA VEZ QUE ME VAN A VER.
Maldita jente hijos de puta, porque no regresan a su casa y casan a tu maldita madre.
saquenle le mierda si decean pero dejen de
detereorar el planeta, jente como ustedes deberian morir. No sabes que es el real significado de la vida, pobres ustedes apuesto
que ni el bachillerato terminararon. Pero no se preocupen ya tengo sus datos, direcciones y nombres, terminara con su maldita e injusta distribuicion de pesca illegal
quien carajo eres tu cabron de mierda?? esta es gente responsable y seria en lo que hacen, por que no vas a salvar ballenas pajuo? deberias de terminas el bachillerato tu que no sabes escribir, se escribe "gente" con "g" de gato!! imbecil!!
dios q imbecil.....dices q es gente responsable y seria en lo q hacen pero en el video no se ve q sea muy responsable la forma de traslado.... esta forma de captura es mas utilizada por traficantesd de peces q por "especialistas" ....
estos deben ser como los japoneses q cazan ballenas con fines "experimentales"
jajaja, carajoo!! entonces cual es la mejor forma de captura? ellos, no ponen a las especies en peligro, si supieras los trabajos que han hecho.. pero como debes ser un ignorante que no hace nada al respecto te gusta hablar.. repito, vaya a salvar ballenas, y no se preocupe por estas pendejadas!!
jejeje, mira pedazo de ridiculo, pregunta primero antes de hacer afirmaciones, yo conozco muy bien a estos señores y de traficantesa dse peces no tienen nada, hasta permisos de captura tienen, y como quieres que los atrapen? asì es la forma, y si no conoces a los otos, son muy resistentes.... otra cosa, FUCK U ALL u dont nkow what are u saying....
para muchos aficionados cmo yo ,sabemos que este es una forma de trabjo ,y que hay mucha gente responsable en la pesca y recoleccion de de fauna acuatica, me gusto el video
nowadays it's difficult to know whether they are wild caught or not...I want to get myself some otos but i don't want to buy wild caught, the problem lies with the sellers, they should tell you where they get them...sometimes they themselves don't know whether they are wild caught or bred.
If you are getting them from a pet store like petsmart or petco, they are wild caught. Pretty much all otos are wild caught because they are so darn easy to catch.
The only way you'll find captive bred otos is from a breeder.
the local lfs and petco get their fish both from individual breeders and hatcheries...so it's not as easy to find out exactly whether the hatcheries import them or breed them.
Well, since it is extremely, extremely unprofitable to breed otos in fish farms (mainly because they are of such abundance in the wild.) you can pretty much guarentee a 99.9% chance that they were wild caught.
Yeah dude... don't buy the ones that have at least lived some of their lives in nature. Buy one that has been treated w/ cruelty since BIRTH! That's a LOT less cruel!
I'm with you on the 1st part of the statement. But the 2nd part needs explaining. Why would a strong fish that survived the survival of the strongest in nature be less likely to die out of a batch of fish that have been bred?
Why 90% for wild caught and 75% on the bred ones?
I find it hard to believe that so many of them die but if that's true than it really sucks.
The main reason the survival rate of farmed fry is so high because they are not subject to predation. Also farmed fry are kept in as close to ideal conditions as possible not subject to rapid temperature changes or pH swings, and the water is kept clean of suspended particles and parasites. Keep in mind a certain percentage of fry are not expected to survive to adult hood despite these conditions.
I'm not sure where you got that figure. The survival rate of farmed fry is actually as high as 90%, but obviously that depends on the species. It's also not true that most die before they reach your LFS. Very few fish parish in route if properly packaged. I have fish shipped to me all the time and have never received a dead one. The fish are vastly more likely to die in the display case waiting for someone to buy them.
You can get fish shipped to you from a breeder. I've had shrimp sent to me via mail, and they were all fine. As others have said, it's hard to imagine 90% fatality rate.
Hey Treehuggers... this is how people in poorer countries make money. Harsh reality. Wanna regulate that? Good luck.
TheAdjacent 3 weeks ago
klooooootzakkkkkeuuuuuuuuhhhhh!!!!!
kankerbouw 4 weeks ago
that is a crap load of otos! damn!
Laurencia7 1 month ago
they need to take a certain amount of these fish out of the wild as they are doing here but with gentle care and send them all to a farm where they came produce mass quantities of this fish , and then send these non wild otos to other farms so they can continue this process and keep it going . then less pet stores will buy from these guys , they go out of business and then we don't hurt the ecosystems in the amazon.
mentalRCburnouts 1 month ago
fucking idiots....they are gone kill 70% of tkis fish before they sell them.This are delicate fish..and this people are sadists
lwica79 1 month ago
I just bought 2 of these at $2.50+ tax each, they ate all the algaes in the aquarium but don't touch any food I am offering. Poor bastards are starving, one even attempted to scrape some algaes of angelfish. I won't buy any wild-caught fish ever again.
TheSickEarth 2 months ago
@TheSickEarth Add some zucchini, broccoli, carrots, and lettuce to the tank. I bet they'll eat one or more of them. Remove whatever they don't eat after a few days and put new pieces of various vegetables in.
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@TheSickEarth Add some zucchini, broccoli, carrots, and lettuce to the tank. I bet they'll eat one or more of them. Remove whatever they don't eat after a few days and put new pieces of various vegetables in.
Okiimiru 2 months ago
Filmed with a potatoe?
AcidfartProductions 2 months ago
@AcidfartProductions with half a potatoe
KevinKanNguyen 2 months ago
@AcidfartProductions with half a potatoe
KevinKanNguyen 2 months ago
That my friends is what an Oto's belly should look like if it is healthy and full. Shame they take so many at once.
ryman4760 3 months ago
that water is hella green
rwarzor 4 months ago
Co za skurwysyństwo...Po to ,aby były w naszych sklepach zoologicznych...
wiesiolek23666 4 months ago in playlist Аква 2
They put hundreds of them in a little plastic bag, the stay in these bags for a week, without food and fresh water, 90% of them is dead before they reach the pet stores, there alot of them die too, because the got sick or they die from hunger, i`m not saying the cant catch these fish, i just dont think this is a good method of catching them.
sanjai1997 5 months ago
mas de 2000 increible
juanjesuschong 6 months ago
the water is kinda scary... so murky...
alfdc08 6 months ago
Affinis o Vittatus?????
HansApisto 6 months ago
To think how much money they get off of selling these algae eaters in the per store when it looks like catching them is so easy and you catch like 500!
Braden8558 7 months ago
So, what you just boil em up and eat em whole in some kind of soup?
What are they?
Basard100 7 months ago
@Basard100 they're sold as pets.
paraplegicgiraffe 3 months ago
Disculpen todos: ¿Y de donde creian que venian todos los peces amazonicos que estan en venta en los negocios de peces y acuarios ? ¿Creian acaso que vienen de piscigranjas ? jajajajaja, que ilusos. Esta es la forma como se capturan y se trasladan los peces amazonicos en Venezuela, en Colombia, en Brasil, en Perú, en Bolivia y en Ecuador solamente. Es gracias a gente como esta que subsisten la acuariologia, los acuaristas, y ese hobbie en terminos generales.
Rodyfos 9 months ago
Algae BOOM! LOL I can't say this video struck me as a horrible practice it looks like they may have baited them. Man has always exploited nature to the point of destruction or extinction so human nature always concerns me. I still can't believe the fish I have in my tank came from a place like that all the way to my LPS crazy .
JG0en187 9 months ago
Can't we be content with breeding fish from aquarium stock? The different types of tropical fish being kept is staggering, no need to take any animal or plant out of its natural habitat to pleasure some indivual's necessity to have something 'special'.
The only justification would be to professionally attempt to breed endangered species, but sometimes that isn't possible because there aren't at times even enough left to keep a healthy genetic pool alive.
Sad, humanity must grow up
TheOneAndOnlyMichel 10 months ago
@TheOneAndOnlyMichel Who are you to decide what animal lives on or not? You claim to not want human interaction with animals in their natural habitat, because nature wants them to be alive. Yet, you want human interaction when nature says its time for a species to die.
Not everything is meant to go on forever.
dyen2live1137 6 months ago
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TheOneAndOnlyMichel 6 months ago
@dyen2live1137 if it is not nature but human acton that brings a species to the brink of extinction, therein lies a responsibility which if neglected hints only to the lack of maturity of such humans
TheOneAndOnlyMichel 6 months ago
que tipos tan bruuutos en la vida,
firedustflame 11 months ago
Sponsored by Hugo Chavez
tortelli 11 months ago
never seen a water that green in my life on video or reality..
awhatzable 1 year ago
Estos estúpidos son los peores! cómo pueden explotar la naturaleza de esa forma! ojalá se mueran
Phirulox 1 year ago
i buy it for $12 a pop
DonnnixD 1 year ago
does not they dont breed in aquaruim ?
flamepeace 1 year ago
Eventually, any body of water that suffers from eutrophication, be it from surface run-off (deforestation &/or intensive farming practices) CANNOT sustain it's aquatic inhabitants for the long-term. Eventually, those otos WILL perish if the monsoon torrents don't move them out to the main river & purify the water. By chance, Ivan Mikolji happened to be there & caught them BEFORE they die out. Cruel? What about deforestation polluting the habitat? Not cruel then? U r displaying double standards.
86HairMetal 1 year ago
Nah. Thats nuclear water, I call bullshit. I'm not buying anything you say. F... the fish anyways, make money!hahajk
MegaToren 1 year ago
no wonder these fish die so easily in an aquarium. you have people like this who are doing their job catching them so that we can have them in our tanks, however the way they handle them is joke! very cruel and just stupid. there has to be better ways.
as for everyone asking for the color. its algae water. water can get tinted from algae. it can happen in aquariums. nothing bad. and besides, otto cats thrive off algae, so i wouldnt be surprised finding such big groups in such condensed areas.
proto35 1 year ago
@proto35 Nah. Thats nuclear water, I call bullshit. I'm not buying anything you say. F... the fish anyways, make money!hahajk
MegaToren 1 year ago
@MegaToren seco test video.. youre swimming in "nuclear water"
proto35 1 year ago
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MegaToren 1 year ago
@MegaToren you actually amused me. i got a good laugh at it. great trolling you did there. and judging me through a video thats over a year old? good fucking job. i dont need to be a scientist for my opinion and or ideas to be valid you fuck. and who the fuck do you think you are? aside from some fuck behind a screen trolling on youtube. also i see you didnt even pass grade school. You put spaces after every word. And wtf are you doing trolling on a video like this? very sad of you.
proto35 1 year ago
@proto35 Sure, it's nothing bad in the aquarium - we have UV sterilizers for that! Fact: Otos eat algae. But they're NOT filter feeders that can sift suspended unicellular algae in the water. They GRAZE on hard surfaces. A prototypical & HEALTHY otocinclus habitat does NOT look like that! This is a symptom of EUTROPHICATION. Find out what that means on Wikipedia, will u? Then tell me if it's healthy for a body of water to take on that tinge.
86HairMetal 1 year ago
@proto35 2ndly May I ask how you would implement a more ethical method of collecting finger-sized catfish that dart @ d speed of light in a pool that can fit a herd of elephants? A 3-inch harpoon, perhaps? My friend, otos r CATFISH. They can survive a couple of mins out of water without incurring permanent damage. If you're saying it's impractical 2 collect fish without incurring even 1 loss of life, thn I'm sorry ur in d wrong era - we don't have transportation technology dat adavanced yet.
86HairMetal 1 year ago
@86HairMetal otto cants arent that fast. especially if you can catch about 1000 in one simple scoop. Your sarcasm doesnt make you sound anymore correct than you are trying to be. Its not rocket science to figure out a less stressful way of taking fish. Otto Cats are hardy fish, but after a month of having them in an aquarium. These fish go through a lot of stress, even other fish, hence why LFS have so many dead fish on arrival.
proto35 1 year ago
@proto35 I must admit; after careful analysis, I can safely say you do have a valid point of view. Reviewing this video once more, I somehow get the feeling that Ivan Mikolji's team are not well-prepared to take on the task of catching these fish; they usually photograph instead of catching wild fish. That simple hand-net is not quite going to cut it for this expedition. You are right - there could have been a better way. This expedition team was unfortunately not well-equipped. My bad.
86HairMetal 1 year ago
@86HairMetal im not freaking out on how they are caught, im merely stating that its not the BEST option in MY opinion. Just because you take them out of their natural conditions due to poor conditions or under the assumption that they cant adapt, and put them in a tank, it doesnt make you god or prove you are making a difference. All i am saying is that i feel that their can be better methods. End of story.
proto35 1 year ago
@proto35 Hmm... I respect your humility as opposed to my ready-in-arms approach to argument. Somewhere along the line, I got pretty caught up with all this trolling, you see. I failed to see that all other opinions do have their merits. Well, it's end of story but I admit it was refreshing to have someone prove a valid opinion. We are all learning, myself included. Peace, proto35.
86HairMetal 1 year ago
@86HairMetal LOL alright fair enough. back atcha. too many trolls now a days
proto35 1 year ago
why does that water look like antifreeze?
314edwood 1 year ago
@314edwood its algae. water can turn green due to algae. not harmful at all. it happens to peoples tank every now and then. these fish thrive on algae, so if the water is green from algae, then i wouldnt be surprised if the otto cats are eating up all the algae which is underwater.
proto35 1 year ago
My argument alone is enough to justify catching these fish. It's lengthy, but certainly more valid than merely saying, "Oh, that's wrong!" or "May your generation burn in hell for doing that!"
Ivan Mikolji, like Heiko Bleher have been through shit & God knows where man would rather NOT go, in a race against time to discover & rescue fish before they go extinct! Of course, they don't give a damn about that part, these self-righteous conservationist wanabes!!!
86HairMetal 1 year ago 17
@86HairMetal case in point read bitch boy proto35 comments^^ hEs a douch
MegaToren 1 year ago
@86HairMetal dont worry.. the fish is still living in our aquarium... poeple do some nasty shits.. that is not one of them.. ;)
catalynoo 1 year ago
@ ThatDutchIdiot - There are some hardcore, self-professed nature-lovers who think Ivan's team is practicing ANIMAL CRUELTY, simply because they 'feel' that catching these fish is wrong.
What these IDIOTS don't realise is that WE aquarists have a role to play in protecting fish species, like these Otos.
They're just TALK - it's us who are saving these fish from extinction. By catching, rearing & breeding them, we form a global 'Noah's Ark' for future re-introduction purposes.
86HairMetal 1 year ago
Why the hell is there such big discussion about catching them? 10 of these little fish life in my aquarium like they would in the nature. They get more food than they get in the nature, the tank is cleaned once in a while and the water is clear.. I think they are better off in my tank than in the nature, with all it's predators.
ThatDutchIdiot 1 year ago
To all you self-righteous, self-proclaimed "conservationaist vigilantes" out there - SHUT UP!!! If you care so much about Nature to the point where you can't bear to see a blade of grass bent, WAKE UP!!! Don't be a hypocrite - why use computers to become a poofy keyboard-warrior; technology is destroying Nature too, you know.
So, stop rambling about your freedom of speech to be the voice of Mother Nature when you're not sure. Let the pros do their part, not you bitch-fit yahoos!
86HairMetal 1 year ago
The green-colored water is due to unicellular algae, characterising eutrophic or simply, polluted water. Why? Beacuse of deforestation. Notice the sparse jungle cover? This is man's doing. When terrestrial vegetation cover is removed, rain causes soil erosion which pollutes the river.
Hence, it's better to catch them & allow aquarists to sustain the next generation of these little catfish than let them suffer the wrath of extinction, due to habitat-loss, isn't it? Lastly...
86HairMetal 1 year ago
There's more to this vid than bias human interjection of emotions can tell. Let me tell you. 1st, this is the BEST way of catching otocinclus. Traditionally, natives use natural sedatives or even CYANIDE to weaken these elusive & lightning-fast fish. The latter is cruel, for many fish that arrive at import zones have already succumbed to poisoning & die by the thousands.
2nd, why catch them when they are free to roam, right? The secret lies in the green colored water...
86HairMetal 1 year ago
soo many people are complaining about this but this is nothing compared to the scale the oceans are being fished. by your american fleets and no one seems to give a damn these are two men doing it on a minute scale. and if there are enough fish to get that many in a net ful then the population in that small pond is large enough to support the loss.
nicofish1000 1 year ago
@SouthAmericanFishMan Free speech and it was only an opinion. Don’t like it? Move to North Korea. While you are there take an anger management class with Kim Jong-il.
MJin03 1 year ago
NICE
RuskiBimber 1 year ago
sigh what %of that group of fish will die befor they even get to petsmart... this is why you should buy from local breeders, who love there fish
brandonreamer 1 year ago
this sucks!! what's left now in that waterhole!!
krumbalu 1 year ago
just look at those punk ass bastards laughing... the beauty of nature is being distorted
schizobipolarjoe 1 year ago
Yo a estos les llamo furtivos de mierda.
estrellanocka 1 year ago
@estrellanocka amigo estos son ictiologos venezolanos (no chav), seguro los pescan para un estudio o algo ve la pagina que ponen en la descripcion, es la unica pagina privada en venezuela que promueve el cuidado de los rios.
bumpis 1 year ago
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@bumpis ufff, gracias por esa observacion, senti pena por mis otocinclus de mi acuario
alonsobustos 1 year ago
rofl great catch!
Did they really throw them into the bag one at a time?
pl4y3rz3r0 1 year ago
nature is plundered
booltox 1 year ago 20
Well... this peapol are specialist in fish they are biologist very famous in venezuela, i think that they do a study or something after catch those otos... ryan12381793: in one of there videos they inteview a man that live of this and help him to protect the habitad, look hes page pecesdevenezuela
bumpis 1 year ago
do they at least share?
CFLKS411 1 year ago
did any one stop to think this might actually be a fish farm in south america? the green water alone suggests this water isn't moving so fast or is inclosed people do somtimes section off parts of rivers or make ponds so that local wild life can breed freely so they can be harvested. also people have to make money from a locale enviroment or they'll simply tear it down. more algae eating fish die in home tanks then during shipment because people neglect to feed them actual vegetable matter.
ducky14523 1 year ago
unfortunately these collectors use poisons such as cyanide to temporarily incapacitate these fish to facilitate catching them. this can seriously injure these fish which leads to their high mortality rate when first introduced to captivity.
ryan12381793 1 year ago
Consider that it has been said that people catch Oto (which are hard to catch, if you've ever owned them) by diffusing poisons (cyanide, etc.) upstream to slow them down, this is considerably more humane.
Also, consider that this is probably deep in Amazonian jungle (notorious for its inaccessibility) in unspoiled habitat. It probably took significant travel by jeep and scrambling/bushwacking on foot.
It doesn't make it right to pack the fish so tight, but it is understandable.
DtEW 1 year ago
@DtEW Being that these are the realities of collecting Oto even in a relatively "humane" method, it is very easy yet completely irresponsible for us far to get indignant and villainize the collectors.
But really, it's us being ignorant dumbasses and blaming everybody else but ourselves, who continue to buy Oto without taking the time and money to make sure they were farmed.
I mean, if you eat beef, you can't choose to be blind to the fact that they do have to shoot Bessie and gut her.
DtEW 1 year ago
fck i no this sounds bad but just imagne what one person would do with all thoses otos and i bit half of them dident live
619stricken619 1 year ago
gawd who shit in that water and i hope he falls in holy fuckin shit y is he takin so many
TheFightingwarrior 1 year ago
greed ! and at the cost of the animal
RoamingUser64 1 year ago
OMG that's a lot...I have 5 in my fish tank lol.
ciciironwill27 1 year ago
amk biz hayvanlara eimizle tutmamiyoz korkuyoz bisi olacak diye bunlarin yaptigina bak
rajyoner 1 year ago
o cara ganha 0,005 centavos por cada peixe...
e o explorador vende em EURO o dolar para a europa
flamepeace 1 year ago
2000 of them! that can't be good for their survival!
XLR8urlife1505 1 year ago
:OOOOOOO
30012007 1 year ago
Why is the cameraman breathing so heavily?
Meowbay 1 year ago
holy crap that's a lot of fish
nerdelicious5 1 year ago
@nerdelicious5 i think those are shrimps
Tinnesen89 1 year ago
@michaelaaa7 Damn, I feel for you, I bought my wild ones here in Belgium for 3€ each.
pimpinisanart 1 year ago
@michaelaaa7 Holy Crap! Thats insane!
bcdrummer 1 year ago
agreed they not doing anything wrong
all they doing it catching them to sell them to lfs around the world dipshits
and yes catfish can live alto longer out of water then fish fish
TheAquariumKid 2 years ago
well considering that they are catfish and dont drown I dont see why people are throwing a fit about them being out of water
An3ggPlant1 2 years ago
in my country some breeders can breed them, I bought it about $1.5 -$2 each. depends on the pets-store
darrispan 2 years ago
Fucking bastards!!!!Conchas de su madre!!! Mental retarded predators..... should have their balls amputaded...their families terminated....and thei whole existence just mangled for once!!!!
taitamauta 2 years ago
@taitamauta yes so true! Fucking dick heads!
YoutwixMe 2 years ago
this ppl should work as butchers,
instead of creating damage to enviroment
ganjaborg 2 years ago
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ruining the earth, soon we have killed the earth with every living organism and hopefully ourself to.
nismo500R 2 years ago
ruining the earth
natureperson420 2 years ago
$15ish in NZ
penguinleo 2 years ago
lol i just bought 4 for $2.49 each :P
bcdrummer 2 years ago
well you know, since they are worth alot of money alive and are also very sensitive one have to imagine that they are pretty well looked after.
it sucks but they are so damn cute.. :p
provetamin 2 years ago
propose a better way to get em idiots
shishigong 2 years ago
By breeding them. or is that to much for you to have thought of. idiot!
oldskooldayz 2 years ago
Otos don't breed well in captivity, most tank spawnings have been completely by accident and the spawn survival rates are so small, it's cheaper to net them out of the wild!
catcatxx 2 years ago
Are ALL of them caught like this!??! I don't want to buy Otos if they are caught like this....
doggyhog123 2 years ago
@doggyhog123 How else do you expect to get them?
tcfuturevet 2 years ago
This is fucked up, no wonder they die so soon after buying them.
sick shit!
oldskooldayz 2 years ago
well it is partly due to this, but also the pet stores usually never put any algae for them to eat and these eat all the time.
greenman123 2 years ago 2
those aren't Affinis, they are Macrospilus and Mariae, and most Ottos caught like that dont survive...
Tigerpuffer 2 years ago
i think you are wrong macrospilus lives in brazil and mariae in bolivia and the fish in the vid are from venezuela
JJ75JI 2 years ago 3
EPIC!!
Savex513 2 years ago
£1.75 in UK.
mrdiscus66 2 years ago
oh my god!!!!!!!!!!!!
zqq1178 2 years ago
thats how we get umm
omentheduck 2 years ago
LOL, its 1.49 in scotland
guthaninfested 2 years ago
its 20 euro bucks here in the netherlands to get a small one :D
irkekler123 2 years ago
en mexico cuestan aproximadamente 30pesos cada uno
cklerote 2 years ago
in Poland 3.50zł=1euro for one xD (nice so meny Otocinclus)
iwoziom99 2 years ago 2
they cost 3.00 in switzerland
thaiswissmix 2 years ago
thats crazy...............................
IMCL85 2 years ago
When I got a greenwater problem with my tank I thought it would be bad for the fish... Obviously not.
jpespey 2 years ago
ahahahahahaha! thats so funny!
omgidknames 2 years ago
Q graciosos venezolanos tenían q ser.
miguelar 2 years ago
This is my most favorite aqua fish - have a small pack of them ( 20 pieces ) in 200 L aquarium. They are so powerful agains algae and dont even think to eat some flora. Just cleaning all aquarium all over again... And price in Czech Republic ? 1 USD per one piece (just to imagine the price comparing to the number they caught :) )
HanzPrague 2 years ago
In Egypt, it costs over 6$ a piece
gobblededo 2 years ago
they are 2.00 in usa
kenzorama263 2 years ago
Holy fuck!! btw thats some green ass water
cg257 2 years ago 6
That's what I was thinking.
elmonoborracho 2 years ago
OMG!!!
twindevil666 2 years ago
My god that's alot of ottos.
arcjustice 2 years ago
That's ALOT of Otto's
thatkid175 2 years ago
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fucking barbaric
gentledental4u 2 years ago
Actually, those guys weren't so bad. What usually happens is people poison the water from upstream to slow the Otos down and catch them by the thousands. Those guys were just doing it privately. It's the commercial guys that are REALLY scary.
2manyutubeusernames 2 years ago
i am no fish expert but that looks pretty damn bad... taking so much is sooo unnecessary
MJin03 2 years ago 28
Somehow I don't think these guys were sitting and watching their 55 gallon starter kit from Wal Mart and thinking they ought to go out and catch some otocinclus to control the algae. When trying to make some money, taking so much is absolutely necessary.
babyfacemoody 2 years ago 4
@MJin03 Sorry, and who were buying them again? You and many others in pet-stores.
Meowbay 1 year ago
@Meowbay i have a planted tank with discus. it's captive strain too so no i am not the one buying them and i know they are captivity bred cause they are cheaper than wild ones. no one will sell me wild ones for the price i paid
MJin03 1 year ago
men.. this i s so bad...
otos breathe in the surface .. and in that bag u just filled it with water ,, right to the top
dumbasses
uzbeco 2 years ago 4
@uzbeco Hmm.. it's not that bad. The water there is so full of oxygen, they can last up to 14 hours without adding air to that bag. Trust me, I've seen it with my own eyes.
Meowbay 1 year ago
Otocinclus must have one of the worst survival rates of any fish imported. I'd presume they don't take well to being starved for a week prior to shipment which seems standard procedure for exporters. If u can keep them for a couple of weeks after importation they're usually ok after that. Shame cos great little fish. I find ancistrus often have same problem. Tank breds preferable in both cases.
mrdiscus66 3 years ago 3
what was that water mountain dew, urine, algae, and vomit?
janitormopmop 3 years ago 2
Otocinclus' diet consists primarily of algae so that is why you can find so many in that algae infested water.
stewey956 3 years ago
terrible
kiowa32 3 years ago
i know, its sad isnt it...
africanmarty 3 years ago 4
Tu crees que es bueno mantenerlos en anoxia tanto tiempo?? Asi llegan despues a las tiendas...
fbm1984 3 years ago
jus luk at the fish that guys holdin in his hand
wen he's finished showin it 2 the camera he just throw's it back 2 the net
jus think most ov the fish are going 2 be treated like that and wont survive because of it
wether ther bred or captured
both kind's get treated like they mean nothing
people should stop taking them from the wild and just breed the one's they already got
but treat them a lot better
jakeh9t1 3 years ago 6
Sorry, got to continue the other post here. Stupid 500 character limit!
Anyways, like was saying, otos are only sold to the pet stores for a couple cents, sometimes less than a cent, depending on the region and the actual contract. Only african cichlids go for over 5 cents. Yet they are a dollar or two at the pet store. The main reason for this, is that so many otos die in shipping.
They pay for 500 of them and recieve 50 of them. They jack up the prices to compensate.
Guitar5525 3 years ago
Terminare con todos ustedes y tomen mi amenaza
como se les de la gana, su "empreza" va a terminar muy mal y ustedes malditos regresaran a su vida horrible de vender pan por sus pueblos mas incivilizados, es por eso
que nosotros la nueva generacion de Pretectores de la Vida Salvaje, esta sobre saliendo
para terminar con todos ustedes. Rian y sigan
haciendo todo lo que quieran pero eso si tegan por seguro que ESTA NO SERA LA UNICA VEZ QUE ME VAN A VER.
Louyz14 3 years ago
Maldita jente hijos de puta, porque no regresan a su casa y casan a tu maldita madre.
saquenle le mierda si decean pero dejen de
detereorar el planeta, jente como ustedes deberian morir. No sabes que es el real significado de la vida, pobres ustedes apuesto
que ni el bachillerato terminararon. Pero no se preocupen ya tengo sus datos, direcciones y nombres, terminara con su maldita e injusta distribuicion de pesca illegal
Louyz14 3 years ago
quien carajo eres tu cabron de mierda?? esta es gente responsable y seria en lo que hacen, por que no vas a salvar ballenas pajuo? deberias de terminas el bachillerato tu que no sabes escribir, se escribe "gente" con "g" de gato!! imbecil!!
chabetico 2 years ago
dios q imbecil.....dices q es gente responsable y seria en lo q hacen pero en el video no se ve q sea muy responsable la forma de traslado.... esta forma de captura es mas utilizada por traficantesd de peces q por "especialistas" ....
estos deben ser como los japoneses q cazan ballenas con fines "experimentales"
bullshit,... cabrones de mierda
uzbeco 2 years ago
jajaja, carajoo!! entonces cual es la mejor forma de captura? ellos, no ponen a las especies en peligro, si supieras los trabajos que han hecho.. pero como debes ser un ignorante que no hace nada al respecto te gusta hablar.. repito, vaya a salvar ballenas, y no se preocupe por estas pendejadas!!
chabetico 2 years ago
jejeje, mira pedazo de ridiculo, pregunta primero antes de hacer afirmaciones, yo conozco muy bien a estos señores y de traficantesa dse peces no tienen nada, hasta permisos de captura tienen, y como quieres que los atrapen? asì es la forma, y si no conoces a los otos, son muy resistentes.... otra cosa, FUCK U ALL u dont nkow what are u saying....
navy1980 2 years ago
¡Ay Chihuahua!
SuperCaliBboyPimpin 3 years ago
This makes me wish they were able to captive breed these fish even more. Did they bait them, or was that a spawning circle? Or something else?
MyFishWillPwnU 3 years ago
para muchos aficionados cmo yo ,sabemos que este es una forma de trabjo ,y que hay mucha gente responsable en la pesca y recoleccion de de fauna acuatica, me gusto el video
juanjesuschong 3 years ago
Translated: Over 2000 in one shot. Most will end up dead from that bag and from lack of food.
trucho519 3 years ago 2
People complain about the way otos are harvested. But then they still keep them in their tanks.
If you really want to make it look like you care, boycott the sale of wild-caught otos. Your wallet is your influence.
Guitar5525 3 years ago 4
nowadays it's difficult to know whether they are wild caught or not...I want to get myself some otos but i don't want to buy wild caught, the problem lies with the sellers, they should tell you where they get them...sometimes they themselves don't know whether they are wild caught or bred.
darksomehandsome 3 years ago
If you are getting them from a pet store like petsmart or petco, they are wild caught. Pretty much all otos are wild caught because they are so darn easy to catch.
The only way you'll find captive bred otos is from a breeder.
Guitar5525 3 years ago
the local lfs and petco get their fish both from individual breeders and hatcheries...so it's not as easy to find out exactly whether the hatcheries import them or breed them.
darksomehandsome 3 years ago
Well, since it is extremely, extremely unprofitable to breed otos in fish farms (mainly because they are of such abundance in the wild.) you can pretty much guarentee a 99.9% chance that they were wild caught.
drumz909 3 years ago
Yeah dude... don't buy the ones that have at least lived some of their lives in nature. Buy one that has been treated w/ cruelty since BIRTH! That's a LOT less cruel!
SpitRhyma 3 years ago
Yes because we all know that there's nothing cruel about the way the bred ones are treated!
Here's your sign.
SpitRhyma 3 years ago
All aquarium fish are treated badly.
75% die before they make it to your lfs. That's a general number. If you don't like it don't keep fish.
The problem with wild caught fish, is that 90+% of them die, AND it harms the local ecosystem
Guitar5525 3 years ago
I'm with you on the 1st part of the statement. But the 2nd part needs explaining. Why would a strong fish that survived the survival of the strongest in nature be less likely to die out of a batch of fish that have been bred?
Why 90% for wild caught and 75% on the bred ones?
I find it hard to believe that so many of them die but if that's true than it really sucks.
SpitRhyma 3 years ago
Fish in the wild live in much better conditions than captive-bred fish. They are much more senstive to changes in water quality.
When you go to your pet store, you probably can't find many fish for under $1, right? Most are around $2-$5, at least around here.
I saw a price sheet for wild-caught fish once. Not online, it was just in my hands.
These distributors sell the fish to pet stores. They get something like a couple cents for otos, the most expensive thing on the list was 25 cents.
Guitar5525 3 years ago
i'm sure less than 90% die. c'mon man... that's crazy talk. cuz most of them die after being sold to people too. Most fish owners suck ass.
SpitRhyma 3 years ago
I have a wholesaler's liscense, and I've been ordering fish in huge quantities from all over the world for years.
Its a crazy number, but its accurate. Scary huh?
Guitar5525 3 years ago
The main reason the survival rate of farmed fry is so high because they are not subject to predation. Also farmed fry are kept in as close to ideal conditions as possible not subject to rapid temperature changes or pH swings, and the water is kept clean of suspended particles and parasites. Keep in mind a certain percentage of fry are not expected to survive to adult hood despite these conditions.
coasterpro 3 years ago
I'm not sure where you got that figure. The survival rate of farmed fry is actually as high as 90%, but obviously that depends on the species. It's also not true that most die before they reach your LFS. Very few fish parish in route if properly packaged. I have fish shipped to me all the time and have never received a dead one. The fish are vastly more likely to die in the display case waiting for someone to buy them.
coasterpro 3 years ago 4
The fish aren't shipping directly to you.
They go a half dozen different suppliers before making it to your local fish store. By the time they make it to you 90% have died.
Guitar5525 3 years ago
You can get fish shipped to you from a breeder. I've had shrimp sent to me via mail, and they were all fine. As others have said, it's hard to imagine 90% fatality rate.
elmonoborracho 2 years ago