Goddamn people are stupid. All these conspiracy theories. You people who think 911 is a false flag have questioned everything about your government so much, and are obviously paranoid schizophrenics, that you forgot to question all this information about america being responsible. You now believe everything you hear about your own country being out to get you. unpatriotic cocksuckers. theres a name for people like you,,,,cynical pessimists
@JohnLennonForTheWin No. Our government did, Get that in your head. Look it up.. You don't want to believe the truth. We also bombed ourselves in pearl harbor : This will cause us to go to war, we destroy a regime and then put a new one in place its all about oil and money and now they have killed 2 birds with one stone because they are now stripping our rights away in the name of "terrorism" and "safety" Patriot act, TSA, NDAA,SOPA.. This is coming from a Marine.
I believe the U.S goverment planed the fall and destruction of the twin towers. To make an excuse for war. Osama was just a pawn, he wasn't the one who conspired the fall. If he died where is his body? Oil = Money. Bringing fear to the people = Power.
Honestly yoo i'm not saying it is true or anything but say the world was ending in 2012 lets be honest the goverment would know WAY before we do which is why i dont trust the goverment cause they have be working on space station's since 1999 So if they were to know they would wait to tell us a day before the world would end im not saying i belive in this im saying it's just clear the government is complete conspiracy .
The government and the corperations controlling them used 9/11 to control the population through fear and elevate the terrorist threat from Iraq to get their hands on their oil and natural resources, but these attacks were not an inside job. You would have had to have thousands of people in on the attack!
i came here after watching the episode on south park where president bush addmits that the government caused 911 so they could invade iraq and take their oil
i think they did it cuz the govt dont care about people all they care about is money and they did this so they could get more people to join the millitary so we get more power and power equals money
Osama is an american Muslim who works for U.S government
U.S needed an excuse to invade the middle east they caused Set 11 they use the Terroism line to appear to the western world as the good guys
Osama is a creation of U.S why do you think they never got him they didn't want to get him Now they claim he's dead what happend to his body we ask can we see it we ask no no we burried it in the ocean they say lol there's no proof he's dead only gov's word sorry if i dont rush to buy ur B.S
What I found out is that the pentagon attack was ALSO a fake, the surveillance cameras watching the pentagon did NOT see a plane crashing into it, a Surveillance Camera showed the tragedy and you don't see any planes crashing into it, there was a bomb in the pentagon and it blew up !!! The Government set it up!
@Adam0wnage No, there was definately a projectile that hit the pentagon leaving a 12' diameter hole that went through six of the inner walls. It definately wasnt caused by a 747 though. Missile perhaps? Who fired it? Where is AA flight 77? Who knows.
Also, the claim that the most protected building on US soil only has 1 camera view of the incident is rediculous. The news footage clearly shows cameras mounted on the building about 25' apart, surrounding the building.
@BullyBiFF think about this way. I'm not saying Bush was right but thing of it this way: Bush did it to cause the Iraq war to get oil. He either kills 3000 people that day or doesn't get oil and without oil 18 wheelers cant deliver food and without food we die. So he thought, either I kill 3000 people or 2 million people die of starvation. Just saying.
i thought we were the good guys bush is stupid he made us attack are self to make it look like the arabes did it fuck you bush you asshole for killing all of them im happy we got a new president :D and hes black
Terrorist did it.... maybe you are right; the goverment would love to destroy their own economy and turn their own people against them. The reason? Well obviously the goverment was bored and wanted to make things more exciting :D
What pisses me off is when people say all muslims caused 9/11 because they all didn't do it. I still belive that the government was behind it in some way. What also makes me mad is when people say all muslims should die. I get mad because my step mom is muslim and she had nothing to do with 9/11. My response is what about all the Christians that blow up the abortion clinicts and kill innocent people, why don't we kill all of them? and No I am not muslim I am Christian!
i heard that 46 million was used to investigate bill clintons sex life investigation and 600 thousand on 9/11. it was voted 86% to rebring the investigaton and never happend. kindaaa fishh eh?
The American government can suck my dick, first marijuana, then 9/11, then a black guy in the white house? Okay I was joking about that last one, but seriously.
what really caused 911? is it that the goverment caused it so they can go attack other contries? And the people who say that they did that so they can do whatever they want what if they were contacted by the goverment to make thouse claims so that people will think the goverment did that so they can look like if they had the power to do what ever thy want was it caused by the goverment or was it really terrorist?
god is alfa and omega , also known as the first and the last . and to bushes marson group they consider that numbers mean something for example 10=god so they created 911= 9+1+1=11 meaning one step ahead of god . so when you call this number you are blasfaming gods name by asking someone superior then god for help as they consider it . so they made the day of the attack september 11 = 9/11 and you can also see in the smoke the marson's god face apearing to take the sacrafise that was made to him
the government have a way of doing things , for example they come up with a idea , they present the idea , and they come up with a solution . george bush was the one who caused 9/11 , becouse he needed to a reason to attack iraq and to take their oil . so they planted bombs inside the twin towers which caused it to fall down the way it did . and bush did this not only for a reason to start war in iraq but also as a sacrafise to marson god .
@THEGIRLMAGNET1 but what if he really didint what if it was really terrorist and the goverment tells poepl to make other people belive they caused 911 so people wil belive they can do whatever the hell they want?
probably, i agree cuz George Bush had a conference to start a war with Iraq 9/12/01 cuz all he needed was a reason to bomb Iraq. THNK GOD HES OUT OF OFFICE
The us goverment had planned it all out. And, if you thought that this was bad it is going to get worse then you can een imagine. In 2029, The United States Goverment is going to wipe out NINE TENTHS of the entire Worlds population of human beings. I'm not lieing.
The us goverment had planned it all out. And, if you thought that this was bad it is going to get worse then you can een imagine. In 2029, The United States Goverment is going to wipe out NINE TENTHS of the entire Worlds population of human beings. I'm not lieing.
The us goverment had planned it all out. And, if you thought that this was bad it is going to get worse then you can een imagine. In 2029, The United States Goverment is going to wipe out NINE TENTHS of the entire Worlds population of human beings. I'm not lieing.
I knowticed that the people who believe this tragedy was caused by the Bush administration also believe that they been abducted by aliens. They blame the aliens that probed them for their love of getting fucked up the ass. But I say you can't blame the aliens for making you gay, you should really blame your dad.
1/4 Americans are retarded. if u beleive this u are a retard. the government wanted u to think it was them, but really, it was just a bunch a pissed off muslims. everything is CONTROLED BY THE GOVERNMENT! LIKE THAT VIDEO.
What the fuck caused it was people sent by Osama Bin Laden hijacked a plane and crashed it. By the way, I'm a muslim and im fucking offended. I would NEVER DO THAT TO THE TWIN TOWERS. Stop critisizing by religion bitch
Its the same with religion dude, the Vatican covers up and backs up all the Child Molesters in the world just like the mafia. These guys control all aspects of society not just government.
Jews? haha. Thats funny, however couldnt be more wrong. Its your own government. U gota stop thinking they hav ur best interests kz really They dun giv a flying fuck. Its not the Muslims, not the Jews, its the New world order illuminati members. These fukers are cultists, demonic crooks. Ok just watch CNN, you'll see their bullshit playout, While u sit there NOT believing and Not spreading word, while they Fuck up our world.
@MCdmac you idiot...it was a couple middleeasterners with boxcutters...who took over huge airplanes and flew them perfectly into the the 2 towers and the pentagon. dumbass
They did it...the US the economy was on the way down any way..its the business cycle. They did it so they could than sell it to the public...spread their impearialism...and colonialze other nations. But many people would rather die than be colonolized in these times. If the african americans had weapons at that time they would do any thing rather that come here
They can find saddam but they cant get osama!! sommat dodgy gone there hasnt there. There is too much conspiricy to convict i think maybe they should hang Bush next to saddam
Is there anyone who thinks that the U.S. Gov't wasn't in on 9/11 ? It seems many people are really starting to come to accept it now. It's becoming common knowledge thanks to many videos like this. Those criminals won't be able to run !!
Well my child. We must remember the words of the wiseman: Kyle (shouthpark) a quarter of the america believs 9/11 was a conspiricy, therefor a quarter of america is retarded;D
Jeeze I'm just trying to lighten the mood, y'know how wise old farts typically say that when offering guidence (and don't freak out, I'm not saying you are in need of guidence)
LOL you want to believe some more? GOOGLE : Ducle underground base, Area 51, Denver Airport, bio-engineered Aids/influenca/vaccines, the Illuminatis World De-population plan. C'mon ppl, Start believing, these gues need to be stopped, by EVERYONE knowing wuts REALLY goin on. Stop living in ur own world.
so is the war in iraq the U.S. is stealing the gas from over there
joshuagil1 2 days ago
OSAMA BIN LADEN WAS INNOCENT BUSH CREATED TERRORISM THATS THE WHOLE REASON WHY THERE IS JIHAD AND ALL THAT THEY WANT TO GET REVENGE
SUK MA DICK ALL US WHO THINK OSAMA BIN LADEN CREATED THIS ATTACK
sabilgangster 5 days ago
Internet rumour....
RasclartPictures 1 week ago
Goddamn people are stupid. All these conspiracy theories. You people who think 911 is a false flag have questioned everything about your government so much, and are obviously paranoid schizophrenics, that you forgot to question all this information about america being responsible. You now believe everything you hear about your own country being out to get you. unpatriotic cocksuckers. theres a name for people like you,,,,cynical pessimists
Closedcasketkiller 2 weeks ago
My Birthday is 9/11. Bush caused it. Osama is innocent. I am never gonna trust a government site. Never ever. They can just kiss my ass!
jayjayn1000 4 weeks ago
No, a bunch of pissed off Muslims caused 9/11, you dumb ass.
JohnLennonForTheWin 1 month ago
@JohnLennonForTheWin No. Our government did, Get that in your head. Look it up.. You don't want to believe the truth. We also bombed ourselves in pearl harbor : This will cause us to go to war, we destroy a regime and then put a new one in place its all about oil and money and now they have killed 2 birds with one stone because they are now stripping our rights away in the name of "terrorism" and "safety" Patriot act, TSA, NDAA,SOPA.. This is coming from a Marine.
USMCmazac 1 month ago
If you are looking for real answers look at this 9/11: The Third Truth - Dimitri Khalezov
PartyWithoutBorders 2 months ago
blabla
PartyWithoutBorders 2 months ago
I believe the U.S goverment planed the fall and destruction of the twin towers. To make an excuse for war. Osama was just a pawn, he wasn't the one who conspired the fall. If he died where is his body? Oil = Money. Bringing fear to the people = Power.
Fucking all goverments are corrupt.
Brainconvulsion 3 months ago 2
@Brainconvulsion You have correct, So let's do something about it. It is time to act. The time is now before it is too late.
USMCmazac 1 month ago
@USMCmazac Let the revolution begin!!
Brainconvulsion 1 month ago
I think it was americans the selves so they can blame this on soem people so thaty can go to irak to get oil.
icon9472 3 months ago
Media is owned by Free Masons.
That's why they lie.
kunschner 4 months ago
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megamogx 5 months ago
Honestly yoo i'm not saying it is true or anything but say the world was ending in 2012 lets be honest the goverment would know WAY before we do which is why i dont trust the goverment cause they have be working on space station's since 1999 So if they were to know they would wait to tell us a day before the world would end im not saying i belive in this im saying it's just clear the government is complete conspiracy .
YaBoiKidFaze 5 months ago
The government and the corperations controlling them used 9/11 to control the population through fear and elevate the terrorist threat from Iraq to get their hands on their oil and natural resources, but these attacks were not an inside job. You would have had to have thousands of people in on the attack!
chorltontilzey7 5 months ago
it were the americans them selves and blaming the talibans
MrMohProductions 5 months ago 2
@MrMohProductions Al queada*
mohakaz 5 months ago
i came here after watching the episode on south park where president bush addmits that the government caused 911 so they could invade iraq and take their oil
SuperResi5 6 months ago
Nice job pulling all your bullshit from half retarded blogs some guy with down syndrome wrote.
patar218 9 months ago
i think they did it cuz the govt dont care about people all they care about is money and they did this so they could get more people to join the millitary so we get more power and power equals money
TheYounghustler24 9 months ago
Why did bin laden say he was the cause of these attacks?
:S
pedwell 9 months ago
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Osama is an american Muslim who works for U.S government
U.S needed an excuse to invade the middle east they caused Set 11 they use the Terroism line to appear to the western world as the good guys
Osama is a creation of U.S why do you think they never got him they didn't want to get him Now they claim he's dead what happend to his body we ask can we see it we ask no no we burried it in the ocean they say lol there's no proof he's dead only gov's word sorry if i dont rush to buy ur B.S
FilesOfConspiracy 9 months ago
wow fucking conspiracy's.....i dont trust the government with ANYTHING but this is down right retarded....
MegaUraniumMan 9 months ago
What I found out is that the pentagon attack was ALSO a fake, the surveillance cameras watching the pentagon did NOT see a plane crashing into it, a Surveillance Camera showed the tragedy and you don't see any planes crashing into it, there was a bomb in the pentagon and it blew up !!! The Government set it up!
Adam0wnage 11 months ago
@Adam0wnage No, there was definately a projectile that hit the pentagon leaving a 12' diameter hole that went through six of the inner walls. It definately wasnt caused by a 747 though. Missile perhaps? Who fired it? Where is AA flight 77? Who knows.
Also, the claim that the most protected building on US soil only has 1 camera view of the incident is rediculous. The news footage clearly shows cameras mounted on the building about 25' apart, surrounding the building.
yield269 3 months ago
@BullyBiFF think about this way. I'm not saying Bush was right but thing of it this way: Bush did it to cause the Iraq war to get oil. He either kills 3000 people that day or doesn't get oil and without oil 18 wheelers cant deliver food and without food we die. So he thought, either I kill 3000 people or 2 million people die of starvation. Just saying.
drewgunbz 1 year ago
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i saw this movie today and everything made sence..
Cubanpk236 1 year ago
You know this whole world is bull shit. Every thing you know and love is a lie!
blackhole73 1 year ago
i thought we were the good guys bush is stupid he made us attack are self to make it look like the arabes did it fuck you bush you asshole for killing all of them im happy we got a new president :D and hes black
oroizwvm 1 year ago
1/4 of americans are retarded
johncena6002 1 year ago
@johncena6002 This is true...haha
UpInThisMixTrix 9 months ago
Terrorist did it.... maybe you are right; the goverment would love to destroy their own economy and turn their own people against them. The reason? Well obviously the goverment was bored and wanted to make things more exciting :D
CHRISTIANNWO 1 year ago
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Screw it I'm goin to Canada
HighTechGear 1 year ago
hmm media can really mess up any image cant they. illuminati try making muslims look bad just to cover up their own agenda.
killawaz 1 year ago
Wow, this CAN be true, I mean, they didn't do anything to the white house, who knows America is going down hill, maybe maybe not.
popularcrown972 1 year ago
What pisses me off is when people say all muslims caused 9/11 because they all didn't do it. I still belive that the government was behind it in some way. What also makes me mad is when people say all muslims should die. I get mad because my step mom is muslim and she had nothing to do with 9/11. My response is what about all the Christians that blow up the abortion clinicts and kill innocent people, why don't we kill all of them? and No I am not muslim I am Christian!
rmcg678 1 year ago
IT WAS A FRIGIN MISSILE OMG
isisavye 1 year ago
omg THERE WAS NO PLANE AT 3;00 OMG OMG
isisavye 1 year ago
i heard that 46 million was used to investigate bill clintons sex life investigation and 600 thousand on 9/11. it was voted 86% to rebring the investigaton and never happend. kindaaa fishh eh?
killerdudelol 1 year ago
The American government can suck my dick, first marijuana, then 9/11, then a black guy in the white house? Okay I was joking about that last one, but seriously.
BigBlackGuysInc 1 year ago
what really caused 911? is it that the goverment caused it so they can go attack other contries? And the people who say that they did that so they can do whatever they want what if they were contacted by the goverment to make thouse claims so that people will think the goverment did that so they can look like if they had the power to do what ever thy want was it caused by the goverment or was it really terrorist?
Nene1388 1 year ago
I thought Kyle caused 9/11 ahahaha South Park
Mralmostmillionare 1 year ago
im sure the goverment would destroy the world trade centers killing hundreds of people
Ariels839 1 year ago
god is alfa and omega , also known as the first and the last . and to bushes marson group they consider that numbers mean something for example 10=god so they created 911= 9+1+1=11 meaning one step ahead of god . so when you call this number you are blasfaming gods name by asking someone superior then god for help as they consider it . so they made the day of the attack september 11 = 9/11 and you can also see in the smoke the marson's god face apearing to take the sacrafise that was made to him
THEGIRLMAGNET1 1 year ago
the government have a way of doing things , for example they come up with a idea , they present the idea , and they come up with a solution . george bush was the one who caused 9/11 , becouse he needed to a reason to attack iraq and to take their oil . so they planted bombs inside the twin towers which caused it to fall down the way it did . and bush did this not only for a reason to start war in iraq but also as a sacrafise to marson god .
THEGIRLMAGNET1 1 year ago
@THEGIRLMAGNET1 but what if he really didint what if it was really terrorist and the goverment tells poepl to make other people belive they caused 911 so people wil belive they can do whatever the hell they want?
Nene1388 1 year ago
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THEGIRLMAGNET1 1 year ago
probably, i agree cuz George Bush had a conference to start a war with Iraq 9/12/01 cuz all he needed was a reason to bomb Iraq. THNK GOD HES OUT OF OFFICE
Ashyos21 2 years ago
Its time for another investigation
lowaces 2 years ago
It was a stunt so they could eclare war to get resourses like oil
j8j8j8j8j8j8j8j813 2 years ago
It was Bush and rice they knew a plane was going to get hi-jacked they were just too lazy to save 300,000 lives
2gamers247 2 years ago
300,000 ?
bitterlikemyheart 2 years ago
This is sad. I feel in my heart it is all true.
Phych101 2 years ago
did you saw a winged animal that flew while the explosion some people said that it was mothman
onemorelancevancecha 2 years ago
it was de fucking american govement who set it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1/4 of americans not muslim americans are dumb and retarded
now im speaking from de heart
ameerahme 2 years ago
its true
krazybadger78 2 years ago
the f***ing govement of AMERICA did it and also sama binladen was a cia agent
it was all bushes plan that dumb kunt
ameerahme 2 years ago
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The us goverment had planned it all out. And, if you thought that this was bad it is going to get worse then you can een imagine. In 2029, The United States Goverment is going to wipe out NINE TENTHS of the entire Worlds population of human beings. I'm not lieing.
krazybadger78 2 years ago
I doubt Bush is actually smart enough to organize this, more like his advisors or some shit like that.
shittlesticks 2 years ago
this was the goverment who caused it and they payed bin laden to take the blame!
FUCKSAKESOMEGA 2 years ago
The us goverment had planned it all out. And, if you thought that this was bad it is going to get worse then you can een imagine. In 2029, The United States Goverment is going to wipe out NINE TENTHS of the entire Worlds population of human beings. I'm not lieing.
krazybadger78 2 years ago
Dude the Jews and The us goverment did it.
bloodwiper 3 years ago
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The us goverment had planned it all out. And, if you thought that this was bad it is going to get worse then you can een imagine. In 2029, The United States Goverment is going to wipe out NINE TENTHS of the entire Worlds population of human beings. I'm not lieing.
krazybadger78 2 years ago
I knowticed that the people who believe this tragedy was caused by the Bush administration also believe that they been abducted by aliens. They blame the aliens that probed them for their love of getting fucked up the ass. But I say you can't blame the aliens for making you gay, you should really blame your dad.
slapstickaction 3 years ago
This is poop
johnhyout 3 years ago
1/4 Americans are retarded. if u beleive this u are a retard. the government wanted u to think it was them, but really, it was just a bunch a pissed off muslims. everything is CONTROLED BY THE GOVERNMENT! LIKE THAT VIDEO.
SSBilly2 3 years ago
Stupid? Anyone that believes that 19 assholes (9 of them turned up alive) did this then your smoking alot of crack. Maybe see the whole docu?
Xendrius 3 years ago
What the fuck caused it was people sent by Osama Bin Laden hijacked a plane and crashed it. By the way, I'm a muslim and im fucking offended. I would NEVER DO THAT TO THE TWIN TOWERS. Stop critisizing by religion bitch
Drockstark224 3 years ago
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this is such a tragedy. just goes to show, what other countries experience every day.
samanthazurcher 3 years ago
that's so true
axv375 3 years ago
Every time I see Silverstien, all I see is Evil and Ugly. This False Flag operation has made so many people rich and powerful.
stevethul1 3 years ago
this is believable after seeing the movie JFK
chase23thompson 3 years ago
has anyone ever discovered what that "blue logo" on the front of the plane was?
and may the victims r.i.p
royalsrowey 3 years ago
that is so true
Ivanrules30 3 years ago
um, it was clearly done by terrorists not the US government.
Americano3333 4 years ago
hey i saw dat move but uhhh whats da name plz tell me someone
saint3056 4 years ago
Loose Change
MCdmac 4 years ago
Since 911, I've realized we can't trust the government about ANYTHING they tell us.
ariestheramone 4 years ago 12
Its the same with religion dude, the Vatican covers up and backs up all the Child Molesters in the world just like the mafia. These guys control all aspects of society not just government.
MCdmac 4 years ago 4
i agree.
ariestheramone 4 years ago
omfg obiesly they wouldnt fly on 9/11 the U.S
got a video that told them they were going to terrorize in 1998
armoballer4 4 years ago
its the jews fault not the muslims! plz agree
Waqas324 4 years ago
Jews? haha. Thats funny, however couldnt be more wrong. Its your own government. U gota stop thinking they hav ur best interests kz really They dun giv a flying fuck. Its not the Muslims, not the Jews, its the New world order illuminati members. These fukers are cultists, demonic crooks. Ok just watch CNN, you'll see their bullshit playout, While u sit there NOT believing and Not spreading word, while they Fuck up our world.
MCdmac 4 years ago 5
@MCdmac yea.. not muslims..
Waqas324 2 years ago
@MCdmac Then what shall be done? How do we fight these guys?
moh09 1 year ago
@MCdmac you idiot...it was a couple middleeasterners with boxcutters...who took over huge airplanes and flew them perfectly into the the 2 towers and the pentagon. dumbass
KanapkaDrobakha 11 months ago
THANK YOU, I SO AGREE WITH YOU MAN
vampire11727 2 years ago
@Waqas324 disagree its the NWO and they consist of all races and religions
spineadjuster13 1 year ago
its the jews who caused it there such asses!
xz123h 4 years ago
shouldnt say that
6feetdownedge 4 years ago
What a loser!!
elwood127 4 years ago
They did it...the US the economy was on the way down any way..its the business cycle. They did it so they could than sell it to the public...spread their impearialism...and colonialze other nations. But many people would rather die than be colonolized in these times. If the african americans had weapons at that time they would do any thing rather that come here
Blaze786786 4 years ago
I just don't understand why the U.S. goverment would destroy it's own economie anyway ? It's all just weird and we may never find out.
BullyBiFF 4 years ago 2
They can find saddam but they cant get osama!! sommat dodgy gone there hasnt there. There is too much conspiricy to convict i think maybe they should hang Bush next to saddam
lipmc 5 years ago
i agree
PunkerKitty 4 years ago
Is there anyone who thinks that the U.S. Gov't wasn't in on 9/11 ? It seems many people are really starting to come to accept it now. It's becoming common knowledge thanks to many videos like this. Those criminals won't be able to run !!
theredpill99 5 years ago
Well my child. We must remember the words of the wiseman: Kyle (shouthpark) a quarter of the america believs 9/11 was a conspiricy, therefor a quarter of america is retarded;D
zerueu 4 years ago 2
I'm not a child...I'm probably older than you are...
theredpill99 4 years ago
Jeeze I'm just trying to lighten the mood, y'know how wise old farts typically say that when offering guidence (and don't freak out, I'm not saying you are in need of guidence)
zerueu 4 years ago
@zerueu Yeah nice haha
Thehotcocoa 1 year ago
oh COME ON!!! I'M as LEFT-WING as you can get...yet i can't believe this circumstantial bullshit.
BEATNIKCASS 4 years ago
oo..oo..since watchin' THIS....i'm beginning to BELIEVE it,,....if the proof is REALLY there and not a hype-up.....thanks MCdmac.
BEATNIKCASS 4 years ago
LOL you want to believe some more? GOOGLE : Ducle underground base, Area 51, Denver Airport, bio-engineered Aids/influenca/vaccines, the Illuminatis World De-population plan. C'mon ppl, Start believing, these gues need to be stopped, by EVERYONE knowing wuts REALLY goin on. Stop living in ur own world.
MCdmac 4 years ago