The point of the book of Job is that, even though God may allow His righteous followers to go through difficult circumstances, if we are faithful and trust in Him, He will remain faithful to us and see us through those trials. God allows bad things to happen to us to test us, make us rely on Him, thereby strengthening our faith in Him. Job is a testament to God's faithfulness and steadfastness in difficult circumstances.
Ps. Yes it doesn't matter if you'r good or bad, the world is unfair. All I'm hearing in this video is Boo hoo poor zinna Jones... I'm not God... boo hoo that's so unfair... grow up. grow a brain. God owns you. in the end you'll realize that. (Not that saying this is going to do anything... becuase you're so wrapped up in your own self that all I hear is arrogance and conceit... In just a few words.. I don't like you. I really don't, but hey God apparently does if he allows you to live this long.
I can't believe how unbelievably ridiculous this video is. God can do anything he wants! if he wants to condone genocide he can, if he wants to flood the world he can, if he wants to impregnate a 12 year old virgin he can! if he wants to die for our sins on the cross he can. Its HIS UNIVERSE. GROW UP!. No amount of rants or anger can ever change that. None of us is God. Rant all you like it does absolutely NOTHING.... Aside from me ranting on this comment.
You have done a more accurate appraisal of the book of Job than 99%of the so called Christian minister or believer!..The vast majority of believers have no idea what the book of Job means so they do a "coverup for God"and hide the truth of Gods actions.The problem is God wants us to ask why!!l..Amazing how God uses a young talented Atheist to expose the truth,when her agenda is to destroy it!..Praise God
"god created the world and said it is good, he then created man and man looked upon the world and said 'it needs improvement'". Paraphrased from George Bernard Shaw.
Does a canvas dictate what the artist should or should not design on it? No, God created the world as an artist. Therefore, the christianity beliefs (note I didn't say that I was right or that you were wrong, regardless of whether I think the latter) say that we have no place, as a canvas to argue God's intentions. God did not say we couldn't ask Why? Wisdom is one of Gods key points throughout the bible and the ability to gain wisdom. Actually READ the bible instead of wikipedia b4 u argue it.
Also, to you sir posting the video. I'm christian and I will in no way slander you as a person because you believe differently. I will however tell you where you are wrong in your "summary". Job and his friends are arguing because Job thinks he was holy and did not deserve this, and his friends are arguing that BECAUSE Job thinks said thought, he is being self righetous, which is bad moral character regardlesss of your religious or lack there of beliefs.
@raycheldawnful HI,..first"God" testifies to Job's righteousness.." have you considered my servant Job a perfect and upright man?"So Job was a 100% correct in his argument with his friends and I might add God agreed with Job when he said to the friends"you have not spoken the truth as my servant Job has!" so we are back to the question why would God allow a perfect man to be so destroyed?..God doesn't need or want us to make excuses for his works or word....God bless
ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/Adjective: 1.Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
In this case if Ignorant is going to be used as a slander then you should "turn the other cheek" and shut your mouth. If your Athiest or Christian. Both of you all are being hypocrites. I love the argument between the two that says that one is more righetous than the other based on the fact of assumed knowledge. War of religions exist because one side argues the other is stupid.
Santa Claus is my God. He watches over my children and knows when they misbehave. He punishes them when they are bad. He rewards them when they are good. All praise be Santa!
"...and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the ****EVIL**** that the LORD had brought upon him...~ Job 42:11
Satan assumed that surely if 'god' ordered the torture of Job, then Job wouldn't continue to worship him. Why this set up anyway? 'god' was providing an example to SATAN as to how a slave is supposed to behave when master orders that he be treated unfairly and unjustly. Where Satan said "piss off", Job said, thank you, may I have another. This is Christianity's idea of the ideal servant of 'god', a sycophant punching bag, a doormat. I prefer the anti-hero example of Imagianry Satan myself.
@foxterrier65 said, [["God does whatever the f he feels like doing;If He didnt, he wouldn't be the primary force. That's what makes Him the Boss and truly God! Peace!"]]
Google Euthyphro dilemma. Either good and evil are meaningless and arbitrary, or the 'god' of the bible is evil as judged by an independent standard.
@foxterrier65 said [[God does whatever the f he feels like doing;If He didnt, he wouldn't be the primary force. That's what makes Him the Boss and truly God! Peace!]]
A 'god' who orders the torture of an innocent man, the man who least deserved it, just to impress the devil, is an evil 'god' in the most egregious sense of the term.
@1956drsquat said [[the book of job is the best example of why god is an assholeand why i no longer believe in such crap]]
Whirlwind 'god' argued that his might makes right and that he's beyond good and evil. Note that this is quite a while before Friedrich Nietzsche. Job's friends ("moderate" religionists) said that Job must deserve it, because otherwise 'god' would be unjust, unfair, immoral and even evil. Whirlwind 'god' showed up and told Job's friends to go fuck themselves.
@MagnusCattus said [[Time and unforseen occurence befall them all. What is hard to grasp about that?]]
We have the back-story that Job was denied. 'god' ordered that Job be tortured, not because he deserved it but rather because this 'god' doesn't care about justice, fairness, civility, morality or right vs wrong. Whirlwind 'god's argument for his cruelty was that he's 'god', so piss off, Job. Not much of an argument is it?
people have known psychology for ages,but didn't always call it the "ego."they just noticed these reflections and recorded them in their own way of speaking/seeing in the context of their time.the advice they give you to follow god is actually gained from real experience and wisdom.if you chase the "devil" you will end up in hell.promise,i've been there.i've also been to heaven and i intend to stay.i'd give the same advice,but phrased in a modern way-follow your heart and trust yourself.(2of2)
as i keep saying,this is all about the psyche.your life is a direct reflection of your thoughts.your mind projects a subjective reality,for example someone who is always thinking sad thoughts will lead a sad life.positive thoughts lead to positive occurrences.outlook is everything,and you function from your subconscious which you are capable of controlling.by subscribing to god/love/positivity/trust,you will see it reflected in your life.and likewise for hell/fear/distrust.(1 of 2)
i fucking threw up when i saw u. i showed my mom this retard transsexual fruitcake and she felt like crying. not for u of course, but for your parents. just please kill yourself btw my sister says u look like meg griffin
not likely the book of Job is pretty much everything you said except for the fact that God is not there to twist the knife as you say but has shown an example of Jobs great faith in times of suffering and patience and Gods own love and trust in Job that he would not be dishonest in his faith and truly be a man of integrity and love for him , Jobs friends were there as an example of how they were judging him thinking he did something wrong which shows there integrity and maturity just like you .
@Mrdeftoness1 I feel like "faggot" is one of the most frequently misspelled slurs used today. Of course, you also used the wrong spelling of the word "their".
Seriously, why should being LGBT have any effect on an argument about religion or atheism? Why did you feel the need to call ZJ a "fagget"? And what is YouTube for, if not the sharing of ideas, information, and entertainment? Unless you post the same kind of thing on religious videos, please stop doing so with atheist ones.
Untrue, most of the book of Job is about asking questions. Job does question God. And God does not count it as wrong for Job to question Him. This book is meant to show us that the "good" or "bad" things we do can never change our hearts. Job allowed God to work in him and then Job did the good things. God was not cruel to Job, He just allowed Job to receive what He really deserved. However, in this God even showed mercy by protecting Job's life. Then God blesses Job at then end many times over.
@PastorMcPherson But what kind of intelligent and kind being would do this to someone? There are far too many examples in the Bible of God promoting very immoral concepts.
God created you but now you're critiquing Him? come out of the dark place where you keep your coffin and step into the marvelous light. He loves you even though you're being ridiculous to get the views. i was watching some other crazy thing and i noticed the heading on this, so looks like you did get me to look. :(
@ccm2Dmax First of all, Zinnia is not being "ridiculous" to get views.
Second of all, why do you assume that ZJ believes god created her? If you check out the channel, or even this video, you might notice that ZJ is an atheist.
As such, ZJ does not believe in god, and thus the argument that god created her and she shouldn't critique him won't really work on her.
@gymclasshero88 Really what? How are you so sure there's a god? "high school is over" - you're trying to imply that it's immature to be atheist? Ok, sure.
Have fun being really, really mature with your adult storybook and imaginary friend.
I'm gonna go be a rational adult who cares about real issues and doesn't ask an invisible man in the sky to solve his problems. You know, like a high schooler.
@ZJemtv Try elevating your sights off whatever Religion was stuffed down your throat, by hypocritical dingbats. Fundamentalist Evangelists are a pain in the earhole, be they Powerless Godtheorists of the Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, or any other variety... Keep looking ! "There are more things in Heaven & Earth than are dreamed of in your little Theology, Horatio..!" Shakespeare said that, Munchekins, and he wasn't wrong.
That was very interesting take on the book of Job. I found it to be very insightful. I like hear your take on Abraham and Issac. I am sure you would have alot to say about that. Keep up the good work.
@gamesbok biggest problem is that if he IS menevolent his garrantee of "heaven" is not a garantee at all but some promise that he has an incredible chance of breaking.
I don't see why God can't send Satan to torture Job if His divine nature dictates it. God is omniscient, so it is wise of us to surrender our rational faculties to Him.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
I disagree to be Job is a lesson saying well this is what will happen to you if you believe without question. Job has unwavering and unquestioning belief and is tortured for it.
God says, speaking of Job: “Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?"
To me the book of Job says that those Christians who cannot debate and understand there own religion are going to hell.
I like the book of Job it is sweet on many levels.
@ZJemptv Surely in a universe without an Absolute there is no such thing as a good person, a bad person, a good thing or a bad thing since, according to you, there is already chaos without the need for any kind of god. Chaos is nothing because if there was good or bad, it would imply categories, therefore order, therefore an Absolute. Please Reply
@RevengeOfIjapa Just because there isn't a god, or the god of the bible, doesn't mean we can't have any order or any moral distinction. I'm a highly moral person, and I'm an atheist. I act morally because even though I don't think my actions will send me to heaven or hell, I care about other people and want them to be happy. I don't need religion, I have compassion. It's possible for something to be morally ambiguous, because the universe works in gradients, not categories like the human brain.
@SAAisar Jesus was a socialist, as were all the early Christians, but that's beside the point. What really interests me is why you think you have a spirit.
another point I would like to ad is you "preach" your religeon to as of now a congregation of 14194 people. Why if you are so strong in your "faith" do you feel the need to "preach" what you believe to others? Christians have a reason. according to their faith they are to spread the "good news" of a loving God and salvation to the world. It is a dictate they are commanded to and gladly uphold via Gods word. what i am seeing from your video's seems you lack faith in your own faith. pure nonesense
@solinari399 Atheism isn't a religion. It's the idea that there isn't a god. Unlike religions, we have no rulebooks or ceremonies - we're just people who don't believe in deities.
If you can't grasp the concept of not having a religion, that's kind of sad.
And the reason Zinnia makes these videos is to expose the ridiculous nature of organized religion, in the hopes that people might come to their senses and start being rational, compassionate people instead of believing in religious nonsense.
you miss the entire point of the book of Job, as is easy to do when you are attacking a faith to Justify your own religeous beliefs. Saying there is no God or being an athiest is very much a faith based religeon, more so than any other. The reason is simple. There is more historical evidence and record(it's called archeology) that support biblical writings, the bible is one of thousands. You cannot prove there is no God, and you shun the mass evidence that there is a God. That takes FAITH.
@solinari399 The bible saying accurate things on issues other than whether or not there is a god has no bearing on whether the part about god is true. Watch:
"A" is the first letter in the modern English alphabet. Also, there is no god.
I just said something true, and then I said another thing. By your logic, the first thing being true is evidence of the second also being true. Therefore, there is evidence that there is no god.
"How reassuring, a god who takes responsibility for mayhem and consciously choose to improve nothing, now that's a god we can do without." True. But that is not the god of the bible. Romans 5:8 "But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." The argument you have, you think is sound, but it easily flawed. My suggestion, don't use the bible which talks about the existence of God, to prove he doesn't exist.
you missed the explanation, God understands certain things men and angels cannot. God can see well beyond the perimeter of this universe and is in possession of knowledge too powerful and dangerous for angels and humans. Carl Sagan claims that the word "demon" comes from the Greek word for "knowledge" .
@sailornaruto39 If you embark on the journey to find the truth be prepared for a paradigm shift. At area 51 the US army is in possession of a an 8mm film of a holographic movie of the crucifiction of Christ provided by grey aliens from a disc craft . From here you might study the Billy Meier contact notes. I wish you well on your journey.
@dhmartens well thank you for the red herring, that is only the second time someone brought up concpircasy theories to some how prove something about god
This reminds me of a passage in Divina Commedia. When Dante asks the spirits in Heaven why is it that even people who had no chance of converting to christianity are condemned like heretics or criminals, the spirits respond that he shouldn't concern himself with these problems because, as a human, he has no chance or reason to understand God's motivations and he has to accept them even when they seem morally abject.
It looks like you convieniently did without how the ending of the book of Job played out. Maybe you are just looking for something, or someone to shake your fist at because you can't get your cookies.
@moopism chimpanzees also throw their shit at one another and eat insects out of the fur of each other. humans, on the other hand are arguing the existence of Gods and the meaning of life on a cyber message board to someone on the other side of the world. Evolution is only the cause for 2 of these inherited traits.Why did one monkey throw poop at the other monkey? it was an atheist.
TRYING TO TWIST WHAT IS WRITTEN IS NOT GOOD. HAVE U EVER HEARD DONT SAY ANYTHING IF YOU HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY. SPREADING THIS FALSE DOCTRINE IS WARNED AGAINST. EVERYONE WILL GET TESTED. THATS IT. MAN HAS THIS FALSE ASCPECTS OF TRYING TO PROVE EVERYTHING AND IF IT DOES NOT FIT WITH THERE TWISTED WAYS, THEY GO AGAINST IT. ONE DAY WE WILL SEE WHO WILL RAIN YOUR FATHER AND YOUR LORD OR MY FATHER AND MY LORD JESUS CHRIST.
@masala505 why does man even have a morality? no other creatures on earth have these feelings, the feeling of "ought", no other creature has such a moral as man does. Man does have it, but he did not create it. Just as man was created, these feelings of morality were given to us. Just because you cannot prove something does or does not exist cannot be a reason to feel one way or another about it. People believe in the multiverse theory, but not God. andin fact, the proof of God is all around us.
@masala505 yes, it seems to be becoming the same way in the U.S.A. as well. Its an interesting comment, especially since it is posted on a video about the book of job. are we supposed to accept all the good, and none of the bad? we rarely praise God for the good things, sometimes, but when anything bad comes up he is first to blame. Its interesting how in todays world, you arent smart if you believe in religion, but people quickly take the word of the media about anything. thats satan at work
Why does that have to be Satan's work? Why can't it be the result of human progress (when I write progress, I don't necessarily mean it as a good or bad thing, but a general movement)? Why do we as humans even acknowledge Satan? If there is a Satan, it's just that side of God that balances out the "benevolence" that we tend to singularly associate with "God". Why can't God just merely exist, like humans, air, water, and everything else? And one mustn't be religious to believe in God.
@mmtunno Isn't best just to forget about God, Satan, Angels, faries, Father Christmas....let's fact it, you never see them because they are superstitious entities made up by man. Good, evil, etc, these are just moral judgements made by man....they don't exist the outside world.
Why does everyone immediately look at God as the reason for all their problems.. when Satan is the only one who is reason for any pain caused to humanity. God is the only reason you are here making these blasphemous videos. He gives you a chance at everlasting life, as long as you choose not the path of Satan.
@mmtunno Yes, but god created Satan....he created everything...aids, cancer, pain, suffering and the devil. You can't really believe that religious nonsense, can you? I'm from Switzerland - if you're religious here people think you are either poorly educated or foreign.
@piargno The point is that there's absolutely nothing to indicate that there is a god, therefore god is non existent in everyday affaires. No one talks about god, no one goes to church, god is not written about,talked about in schools. It's the same in Amercica I suppose with the Roman god Jupiter....Jupiter simply doesn't play a role in Amercan society in the same way as Yahweh or Jesus do not play any role in Switzerland...or most of western europe for that matter. God is seen as nonsense.
That's unfortunate, but if it works, then great! In America, even for non-believers, god and gods from various cultures/traditions play an important role. Many children know Greek and Roman mythology well, even if they don't believe in it. And knowing about the Bible/saints/basic Christian iconography, makes understanding classical art easier, even if you don't believe. God may be nonsense over there, but at least knowing a basic God history is still important here in the States.
@piargno I can't disagee with you...understanding religion is essential to understanding culture. The point I meant to make was believing in god, as if he or she is a real entity rather than a man made superstious concept, is not done here in switzerland. Church goers in Switzerland is probarly around 1%. In Switzerland we certainly study history, religions, etc, but we don't worship god as if he is real.
Understood. But there is a large portion of humans who do believe in God - not the Bible form or any other traditional form, but a self-created belief - and don't attend church or don't affiliate themselves with a major religion. Just like you believe that there's nothing that indicates God's (not his) existence, there's really nothing that indicates God's NON-EXISTENCE. Even Christopher Hitchens believes this. But I do respect the non-violent beliefs of others.
I will not answer the first two, as they are outlined in the text itself.
In the case of the third question, quite possibly no, but is living with another family better than being forever alone.
Fourth, I didn't necessarily mean that, but the pain Job suffered was a test, and not meaningless is probably better suited my argument, sorry for any misunderstandings.
In respect to you, thank you, I was glad I could respond.
PS: The Bible is to some degree metaphorical, God loves parables.
The reason why I asked the first question is because you typed: "God did not cause what Job suffered, rather it was what other humans did." Where in the Book of Job is this idea supported? Satan caused Job's suffering, but God allowed it. Even at the end of the Book of Job, the author (perhaps one of the many) states "and they bemoaned him, and comforted him concerning all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him." Job's affliction was NOT because of humans in any way.
@piargno When you talk or god....are you talking about that ethnocentric, homophobic, racist, murdering little shit who is written about in the bible?
I do not understand your question; did you mean to type: "When you refer to God in your comments, are you referring to an ethnocentric, homophobic, racist, murdering 'expletive' who is written about in the Bible?"
If this is the case, then I will say "yes". But I will also qualify by saying the God that's "written about in the Bible" (interesting simplification there) is not the God in which (not whom) I believe.
For the second question, I guess I asked this because God says absolutely nothing to Job about why He allowed Satan to do what he did. God basically says, "You can never understand me. I did all of these things and I'm great. Do not question me." In this case, what Zinnia Jones says about "project Jaweh" is absolutely correct.
I believe that being alone after the incident would be better than getting a new family. I would not want to run the risk of disrespecting the memory of my previous children by replacing them. This point of Job is very strange to me.
Are you aware of Job's story in the Qur'an or in the Talmud? Or are you familiar with the Targum of Job, which contains some mistranslations that may have been made to support a Christian agenda? Interesting stuff ...
In the New Testament, there is a story about Jesus healing a blind man. Someone asks Jesus, "who sinned? This man or his parents, that he is blind?" And Jesus responds, "Neither sinned. He's blind so that the work of God can be made manifest through him." Interpret this as you will, but don't you think all provocations of discussions of Job, including God-blasting YouTube videos, are actually the work of a God who wants to evoke discussion?
For Zinnia - this negative point of view is definitely valid. But can't there be a point of view that basically corresponds with your conclusion of things simply being? Can't God just simply be?
For your points - what did humans do to Job in the Book of Job?
What did God say to Job to justify God's actions BEFORE God returned his wealth and family?
If you lost your children, would replacement children truly and completely replace the children you lost?
In the first chapter, Satan doesn't touch Job. In the second Job, God allows Satan to ruin him physically. This isn't torment? What is your definition of torment?
The god described in the bible is such a cynical bastard, I don't know why people choose to follow Christianity or Judaism as a moral guidelines, especially in light of a supreme lack in empirical evidence. Why choose to follow a deity that has a massive probably of not existing in the first place when his sense of justice is so twisted as to torture and humiliate people who have done no wrong? This really goes to show just how backwards ass and upside down Christianity's morality is.
I've subscribed to this channel about fifteen times and it Youtube keeps removing it from my subscription list. I'll keep trying, but someone might want to let Zinnia know that the Youtube boot appears to still be firmly affixed to our collective user throats.
@housefan202 Indeed. I think the idea of Santa itself is created so that small children will have something to worship before they can understand god, and prepare them for religious mind control.
We shouldn't be saying why are bad things happening to good people, but be thanking God that he hasn't poured out the fullness of his wrath on this dying world.
I'm not here to judge you, only God can do this, without question. God works when you listen to Him. As long as you try to make a fool out of God, the same he will make a fool out of you 100 folds more, so be prepaired. When all has happened, please don't kill yourself before you find out the truth. Find the truth first and then make your decision. And I promise you, you will live.
One of the problems I have with this story is not so much with Job losing everything, but his family getting killed. I mean no one is safe. . .if god decided to test someone who might know me, I might end up on the hit list! Damn....maybe even the post man or the dog. No one is safe!!!!! Could it be that sometimes when bad stuff happens to people it's because they knew someone who was just a little too good and they are just part of the collateral damage of a divine experiment? Bummer.
@Nitelurker1 See but whether or not you have Read the story of Job, it clearly points out that Job was safe. His wife offered him to curse God and die, but he didn't.
Bk. of Job is not about "why" bad things happen. Its about coping with them. Its isn't an explanation, its an expression. I don't think that those who wrote it, didn't mean it literally - although plenty of people read it that way - theists and atheists alike. Its about vanity and self-righteousness standing in the way of acceptance and peace. Its about the value of compassion and not advice for a friend in sorrow. Its about letting go of "why me" for the grieving to find solace.
@vdizhoor While this is a decent statement, the reason Zinnia posted this video is to show that even if a God existed, he would not feel compelled to worship or follow that God, simply because God wasn't interested in following his own doctrine and decided to treat people fairly or unfairly regardless of their moral behavior.
If anything, God acted strangely in the book of Job, not just because of destroying Job's life, but doing so because Satan taunted God and made him self-conscious.
Well, if someone is used to taking the Bible literally (like most believers and atheists probably) then yes, its a no brainer - God is a prick, the follower has a Helsinki syndrome. My point is that in those stories, that religions have usurped for their purposes, there is something meaningful. There is a difference between worshiping God and following priests or texts. By making God most important one can more easily cope with corruptions and losses of worldly things.
@vdizhoor how in the world do you get that out of the story of Job.This man was righteous.. even God said so at the beginning of the story.The devil pretty much taunts god into letting him destroy a man's life on a BET!How do you get solace from that?Satan takes everything from this guy except his life and while Job had misgivings about the whole thing he never went as far as cursing god because he knew he didn't have the power to fight a omnipotent being.Hardly anything you should solace with!
Well, to be honest, I just don't take it literally. Job is basically asking a question "why me", while his friends are telling him that he must have done something bad. Its an ongoing thing. Only when Job lets go of "why me" -simply abandons the question as meaningless in the face of a mysterious universe does his life get back on track. That's what I get from the story. Its basically about getting to the "acceptance" stage of grief - the last stage. The setting is allegory.
@vdizhoor you do know that your take on this story is rather new age take on it right?If we went back in time about a hundred years you would probablly be hung and set ablaze for just the attempt of suggessting that it didn't really happen.It's just a story?
But more to the point that's not exactly what happened.God comes down and pretty much says hey Job iff you ever gain omnipotent power maybe I'll listen to ya but until then shutup and Job relents because... well..what else can he do.
@gamesmaster35 I hear ya. I am not a believer, so a 100 yrs ago, depending on where I live, I might just keep my mouth shut to avoid the aforementioned blaze :). Look, I just treat this as fiction. WHICH IT IS. Who wrote the story, why? Who can relate to it? The main character here is Job. God/Devil - these are just forces of nature beyond his knowledge and anthropomorphic. Just as the universe is beyond our control, full of mystery and indifferent, so are the Gods - a human face of the Cosmos.
While the dynamics how fiction became usurped by religion is interesting, I think what's probably true is that initially, these stories have been passed on and written down by people who saw meaning in them, because they could relate, just like good modern fiction, because it describe something that is true. Ancient myths are no different - its just that they've been institutionalized by religion. The story is not about what God did wrong, but how Job found his way out of misery.
So when God comes down and tells Job that he got no game - well its true. Shit happens - Job doesn't know why. Nor did the ancients. Job doesn't know about the bet. But neither do the writers express why God accepted the bet in the first place. We only know about the dialog between God and Satan - not their thoughts. God's later appearance is about humbling Job, shutting down his "why me" mode. Job accepts, and finds peace, eventually his life is restored.
@vdizhoor The point isn't that Job praised a prick God, but that Job accepts that he has no power over certain forces of nature (as God does) and acquiesces. A Haitian who lost his family in quake and caught some disease could whale "why me" - prolonging his misery. A person who learns, through humility in face of mysterious forces to accept his fate - will find solace and put the tragedy behind him. The sun will rise again. Oblivious to plate tectonics, he can write the cause of as a "bet".
I hear ya! And yes, thank "God" :) that I live during a time that I won't be torched for heretical thinking :)
Perhaps you are right, but I guess, try to put yourself into the shoes of those who wrote the story, not those who preach it. The same forces that drive people to write today worked back then - they want to express something. Clearly (to us) they wrote fiction, but what moved them, what inspired them to write it?
The argument you present is the definition of a straw man. The Bible does provide an answer beyond this. It's referred to as the Theology of the Cross. Daniel Deutschlander wrote a terrific book with that title. I'd recommend that you pick it up if you want to provide an honest and cogent evaluation of the Bible's answer to the question you pose.
Wow u have no fuckin life. Go back to school n suck on ur teacher's dick cause ur that big of a nerd all u care about is fuckin boobs n bibles u retard... Ewwww i hate nerds! So gross! Ps; u look disgusting!
Just one thing, I'm pretty sure the Bible says God isn't responsible for what man does, if he was. Kain wouldn't kill Abel, God would've ordered it, other than that nice vid.
The reason why bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people, vice versa, is because life is a test designed by god so he can decide wether you deserve to go to heaven or hell. And also something that really pisses me off is that mosts atheists don't understand shit about Christianity and islam, catholicism, etc. They only try to understand about 10% of it and then act like they know eveything about it. THEY'RE FUCKING DUMBSHIT INTELLECTUALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The reason why bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people, vice versa, is because life is a test designed by god so he can decide wether you deserve to go to heaven or hell. And also something that really pisses me off is that mosts atheists don't understand shit about Christianity and islam, catholicism, etc. They only even try to understand about 10% of it and then act like they know eveything about it. THEY'RE FUCKING DUMBSHIT INTELLECTUALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't like this video because you missed the main point. Things weren't just bad for job because god "decided it", they were bad because god made a bet (figuratively speaking) with devil about him. Job was nothing more than a guinea pig in gods bet with Satan! God utterly destroyed Job and his life (not to mention killed people and animals) all to prove a point to the devil. Who is the bad guy here, god or the devil?
@christo930 It wasn't really a 'bet' with the devil. God knew the outcome. And ultimately the devil was at least partially right. It's easy to love God when he makes your life easy, just like it would be easy to marry a rich spouse. Would you want a husband or wife who marries you for your money? True love withstands harship and strengthens a relationship with another person or with God even when tragedy strikes. And faith will restore what has been lost. I say this from experience.
@christo930 He wasn't proving a point to the devil, he was proving a point to Job. And God didn't screw up Job's life. Job's life was excellent before and after he faced tragedy. He grew up, he bore his pain, and grew closer to God and enjoyed his blessings until death.
Look at all those morons, claiming that because he is god, he can do anything he wants...
I do not respect someone who'd treat his "creations" like his personal ant farm to fuck with.
Geez, some christians clearly suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.
SenninDarkissa 1 week ago
*in your voice* You are an idiooot. You are a stoooge. You are probably a transvestiiite.
gabulldog2487 3 weeks ago
The point of the book of Job is that, even though God may allow His righteous followers to go through difficult circumstances, if we are faithful and trust in Him, He will remain faithful to us and see us through those trials. God allows bad things to happen to us to test us, make us rely on Him, thereby strengthening our faith in Him. Job is a testament to God's faithfulness and steadfastness in difficult circumstances.
fireseeker4him 3 weeks ago
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wwfww 1 month ago
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gouki02 1 month ago
Ps. Yes it doesn't matter if you'r good or bad, the world is unfair. All I'm hearing in this video is Boo hoo poor zinna Jones... I'm not God... boo hoo that's so unfair... grow up. grow a brain. God owns you. in the end you'll realize that. (Not that saying this is going to do anything... becuase you're so wrapped up in your own self that all I hear is arrogance and conceit... In just a few words.. I don't like you. I really don't, but hey God apparently does if he allows you to live this long.
MrViobattie 1 month ago
I can't believe how unbelievably ridiculous this video is. God can do anything he wants! if he wants to condone genocide he can, if he wants to flood the world he can, if he wants to impregnate a 12 year old virgin he can! if he wants to die for our sins on the cross he can. Its HIS UNIVERSE. GROW UP!. No amount of rants or anger can ever change that. None of us is God. Rant all you like it does absolutely NOTHING.... Aside from me ranting on this comment.
MrViobattie 1 month ago
You have done a more accurate appraisal of the book of Job than 99%of the so called Christian minister or believer!..The vast majority of believers have no idea what the book of Job means so they do a "coverup for God"and hide the truth of Gods actions.The problem is God wants us to ask why!!l..Amazing how God uses a young talented Atheist to expose the truth,when her agenda is to destroy it!..Praise God
buddy85442 1 month ago
"god created the world and said it is good, he then created man and man looked upon the world and said 'it needs improvement'". Paraphrased from George Bernard Shaw.
tomestubbs 1 month ago
Does a canvas dictate what the artist should or should not design on it? No, God created the world as an artist. Therefore, the christianity beliefs (note I didn't say that I was right or that you were wrong, regardless of whether I think the latter) say that we have no place, as a canvas to argue God's intentions. God did not say we couldn't ask Why? Wisdom is one of Gods key points throughout the bible and the ability to gain wisdom. Actually READ the bible instead of wikipedia b4 u argue it.
raycheldawnful 1 month ago
Also, to you sir posting the video. I'm christian and I will in no way slander you as a person because you believe differently. I will however tell you where you are wrong in your "summary". Job and his friends are arguing because Job thinks he was holy and did not deserve this, and his friends are arguing that BECAUSE Job thinks said thought, he is being self righetous, which is bad moral character regardlesss of your religious or lack there of beliefs.
raycheldawnful 1 month ago
@raycheldawnful HI,..first"God" testifies to Job's righteousness.." have you considered my servant Job a perfect and upright man?"So Job was a 100% correct in his argument with his friends and I might add God agreed with Job when he said to the friends"you have not spoken the truth as my servant Job has!" so we are back to the question why would God allow a perfect man to be so destroyed?..God doesn't need or want us to make excuses for his works or word....God bless
buddy85442 1 month ago
@buddy85442 In other words--Be a good and obedient servant of god so he can fuck you over in a bet with Satan. Oh yeah--sign me up for that.
sepiasiren 1 week ago
ig·no·rant/ˈignərənt/Adjective: 1.Lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated.
In this case if Ignorant is going to be used as a slander then you should "turn the other cheek" and shut your mouth. If your Athiest or Christian. Both of you all are being hypocrites. I love the argument between the two that says that one is more righetous than the other based on the fact of assumed knowledge. War of religions exist because one side argues the other is stupid.
raycheldawnful 1 month ago
Santa Claus is my God. He watches over my children and knows when they misbehave. He punishes them when they are bad. He rewards them when they are good. All praise be Santa!
paramattic70 2 months ago
"...and all they that had been of his acquaintance before, and did eat bread with him in his house: and they bemoaned him, and comforted him over all the ****EVIL**** that the LORD had brought upon him...~ Job 42:11
LucisFerre1 2 months ago
Satan assumed that surely if 'god' ordered the torture of Job, then Job wouldn't continue to worship him. Why this set up anyway? 'god' was providing an example to SATAN as to how a slave is supposed to behave when master orders that he be treated unfairly and unjustly. Where Satan said "piss off", Job said, thank you, may I have another. This is Christianity's idea of the ideal servant of 'god', a sycophant punching bag, a doormat. I prefer the anti-hero example of Imagianry Satan myself.
LucisFerre1 2 months ago
God does whatever the f he feels like doing;If He didnt, he wouldn't be the primary force. That's what makes Him the Boss and truly God! Peace!
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@foxterrier65 said, [["God does whatever the f he feels like doing;If He didnt, he wouldn't be the primary force. That's what makes Him the Boss and truly God! Peace!"]]
Google Euthyphro dilemma. Either good and evil are meaningless and arbitrary, or the 'god' of the bible is evil as judged by an independent standard.
LucisFerre1 2 months ago
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@foxterrier65 said [[God does whatever the f he feels like doing;If He didnt, he wouldn't be the primary force. That's what makes Him the Boss and truly God! Peace!]]
A 'god' who orders the torture of an innocent man, the man who least deserved it, just to impress the devil, is an evil 'god' in the most egregious sense of the term.
LucisFerre1 2 months ago
the book of job is the best example of why god is an asshole. and why i no longer believe in such crap
1956drsquat 2 months ago
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@1956drsquat said [[the book of job is the best example of why god is an assholeand why i no longer believe in such crap]]
Whirlwind 'god' argued that his might makes right and that he's beyond good and evil. Note that this is quite a while before Friedrich Nietzsche. Job's friends ("moderate" religionists) said that Job must deserve it, because otherwise 'god' would be unjust, unfair, immoral and even evil. Whirlwind 'god' showed up and told Job's friends to go fuck themselves.
LucisFerre1 2 months ago
Time and unforseen occurence befall them all. What is hard to grasp about that?
MagnusCattus 2 months ago
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@MagnusCattus said [[Time and unforseen occurence befall them all. What is hard to grasp about that?]]
We have the back-story that Job was denied. 'god' ordered that Job be tortured, not because he deserved it but rather because this 'god' doesn't care about justice, fairness, civility, morality or right vs wrong. Whirlwind 'god's argument for his cruelty was that he's 'god', so piss off, Job. Not much of an argument is it?
LucisFerre1 2 months ago
people have known psychology for ages,but didn't always call it the "ego."they just noticed these reflections and recorded them in their own way of speaking/seeing in the context of their time.the advice they give you to follow god is actually gained from real experience and wisdom.if you chase the "devil" you will end up in hell.promise,i've been there.i've also been to heaven and i intend to stay.i'd give the same advice,but phrased in a modern way-follow your heart and trust yourself.(2of2)
blessedwildapplegirl 2 months ago
as i keep saying,this is all about the psyche.your life is a direct reflection of your thoughts.your mind projects a subjective reality,for example someone who is always thinking sad thoughts will lead a sad life.positive thoughts lead to positive occurrences.outlook is everything,and you function from your subconscious which you are capable of controlling.by subscribing to god/love/positivity/trust,you will see it reflected in your life.and likewise for hell/fear/distrust.(1 of 2)
blessedwildapplegirl 2 months ago
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i fucking threw up when i saw u. i showed my mom this retard transsexual fruitcake and she felt like crying. not for u of course, but for your parents. just please kill yourself btw my sister says u look like meg griffin
mcownagedapwnage 3 months ago
not likely the book of Job is pretty much everything you said except for the fact that God is not there to twist the knife as you say but has shown an example of Jobs great faith in times of suffering and patience and Gods own love and trust in Job that he would not be dishonest in his faith and truly be a man of integrity and love for him , Jobs friends were there as an example of how they were judging him thinking he did something wrong which shows there integrity and maturity just like you .
turner593 3 months ago
why is this dude dressed like a girl
rbaumann4 3 months ago
@rbaumann4 open ur eyes
katlova16 3 months ago
Another fagget atheist trying to shove there views down on people
Mrdeftoness1 3 months ago
@Mrdeftoness1 I feel like "faggot" is one of the most frequently misspelled slurs used today. Of course, you also used the wrong spelling of the word "their".
Seriously, why should being LGBT have any effect on an argument about religion or atheism? Why did you feel the need to call ZJ a "fagget"? And what is YouTube for, if not the sharing of ideas, information, and entertainment? Unless you post the same kind of thing on religious videos, please stop doing so with atheist ones.
Tamugetsu 2 months ago
Untrue, most of the book of Job is about asking questions. Job does question God. And God does not count it as wrong for Job to question Him. This book is meant to show us that the "good" or "bad" things we do can never change our hearts. Job allowed God to work in him and then Job did the good things. God was not cruel to Job, He just allowed Job to receive what He really deserved. However, in this God even showed mercy by protecting Job's life. Then God blesses Job at then end many times over.
PastorMcPherson 4 months ago
@PastorMcPherson But what kind of intelligent and kind being would do this to someone? There are far too many examples in the Bible of God promoting very immoral concepts.
jont43 3 months ago
You pretend that you know THIS and THAT, but you don't know SHIT.
Is that a frustration?
It can be liberating. Keep an open mind. Be kind, but be smart.
Ariel62073 4 months ago
are you a gay? stop be hater of God!!!
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JezusSlave 4 months ago
@JezusSlave LOL, this is hilarious.
A lovely example of the intellect of both homophobes and zealots.
"are you a gay? stop be hater of God!!!"
I think I need to make a T-shirt or a bumper sticker of this...
Tamugetsu 2 months ago
God created you but now you're critiquing Him? come out of the dark place where you keep your coffin and step into the marvelous light. He loves you even though you're being ridiculous to get the views. i was watching some other crazy thing and i noticed the heading on this, so looks like you did get me to look. :(
ccm2Dmax 4 months ago
@ccm2Dmax First of all, Zinnia is not being "ridiculous" to get views.
Second of all, why do you assume that ZJ believes god created her? If you check out the channel, or even this video, you might notice that ZJ is an atheist.
As such, ZJ does not believe in god, and thus the argument that god created her and she shouldn't critique him won't really work on her.
Tamugetsu 2 months ago
there is a god..high school is over champ..sorry for what happened but really..
gymclasshero88 4 months ago
@gymclasshero88 Really what? How are you so sure there's a god? "high school is over" - you're trying to imply that it's immature to be atheist? Ok, sure.
Have fun being really, really mature with your adult storybook and imaginary friend.
I'm gonna go be a rational adult who cares about real issues and doesn't ask an invisible man in the sky to solve his problems. You know, like a high schooler.
Tamugetsu 2 months ago
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@ZJemtv Try elevating your sights off whatever Religion was stuffed down your throat, by hypocritical dingbats. Fundamentalist Evangelists are a pain in the earhole, be they Powerless Godtheorists of the Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Atheist, or any other variety... Keep looking ! "There are more things in Heaven & Earth than are dreamed of in your little Theology, Horatio..!" Shakespeare said that, Munchekins, and he wasn't wrong.
WarblesOnALot 4 months ago
That was very interesting take on the book of Job. I found it to be very insightful. I like hear your take on Abraham and Issac. I am sure you would have alot to say about that. Keep up the good work.
bornwithhorns1 5 months ago
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?
Epicurius,
gamesbok 5 months ago 16
@gamesbok biggest problem is that if he IS menevolent his garrantee of "heaven" is not a garantee at all but some promise that he has an incredible chance of breaking.
doombybbr 1 month ago
@gamesbok i love it
sepiasiren 1 week ago
I don't see why God can't send Satan to torture Job if His divine nature dictates it. God is omniscient, so it is wise of us to surrender our rational faculties to Him.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
GodlyBillyBobJenkins 5 months ago
I disagree to be Job is a lesson saying well this is what will happen to you if you believe without question. Job has unwavering and unquestioning belief and is tortured for it.
God says, speaking of Job: “Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?"
To me the book of Job says that those Christians who cannot debate and understand there own religion are going to hell.
I like the book of Job it is sweet on many levels.
way2jaded1 6 months ago
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@ZJemptv Surely in a universe without an Absolute there is no such thing as a good person, a bad person, a good thing or a bad thing since, according to you, there is already chaos without the need for any kind of god. Chaos is nothing because if there was good or bad, it would imply categories, therefore order, therefore an Absolute. Please Reply
RevengeOfIjapa 6 months ago
@RevengeOfIjapa Just because there isn't a god, or the god of the bible, doesn't mean we can't have any order or any moral distinction. I'm a highly moral person, and I'm an atheist. I act morally because even though I don't think my actions will send me to heaven or hell, I care about other people and want them to be happy. I don't need religion, I have compassion. It's possible for something to be morally ambiguous, because the universe works in gradients, not categories like the human brain.
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SAAisar 7 months ago
@SAAisar Jesus was a socialist, as were all the early Christians, but that's beside the point. What really interests me is why you think you have a spirit.
gamesbok 5 months ago
another point I would like to ad is you "preach" your religeon to as of now a congregation of 14194 people. Why if you are so strong in your "faith" do you feel the need to "preach" what you believe to others? Christians have a reason. according to their faith they are to spread the "good news" of a loving God and salvation to the world. It is a dictate they are commanded to and gladly uphold via Gods word. what i am seeing from your video's seems you lack faith in your own faith. pure nonesense
solinari399 7 months ago
@solinari399 Atheism isn't a religion. It's the idea that there isn't a god. Unlike religions, we have no rulebooks or ceremonies - we're just people who don't believe in deities.
If you can't grasp the concept of not having a religion, that's kind of sad.
And the reason Zinnia makes these videos is to expose the ridiculous nature of organized religion, in the hopes that people might come to their senses and start being rational, compassionate people instead of believing in religious nonsense.
Tamugetsu 2 months ago
you miss the entire point of the book of Job, as is easy to do when you are attacking a faith to Justify your own religeous beliefs. Saying there is no God or being an athiest is very much a faith based religeon, more so than any other. The reason is simple. There is more historical evidence and record(it's called archeology) that support biblical writings, the bible is one of thousands. You cannot prove there is no God, and you shun the mass evidence that there is a God. That takes FAITH.
solinari399 7 months ago
@solinari399 The bible saying accurate things on issues other than whether or not there is a god has no bearing on whether the part about god is true. Watch:
"A" is the first letter in the modern English alphabet. Also, there is no god.
I just said something true, and then I said another thing. By your logic, the first thing being true is evidence of the second also being true. Therefore, there is evidence that there is no god.
Understand the flaw in your logic?
Tamugetsu 2 months ago
@Tribulation888 that is even worse
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
"How reassuring, a god who takes responsibility for mayhem and consciously choose to improve nothing, now that's a god we can do without." True. But that is not the god of the bible. Romans 5:8 "But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." The argument you have, you think is sound, but it easily flawed. My suggestion, don't use the bible which talks about the existence of God, to prove he doesn't exist.
Banno721 7 months ago
@Banno721 what do you mean? yes he does, he always bad things to happen to people doesn't he?
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
you missed the explanation, God understands certain things men and angels cannot. God can see well beyond the perimeter of this universe and is in possession of knowledge too powerful and dangerous for angels and humans. Carl Sagan claims that the word "demon" comes from the Greek word for "knowledge" .
dhmartens 7 months ago
@dhmartens you know this how? that is just a cop out for when people start to realize something is fishy.
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
@sailornaruto39 If you embark on the journey to find the truth be prepared for a paradigm shift. At area 51 the US army is in possession of a an 8mm film of a holographic movie of the crucifiction of Christ provided by grey aliens from a disc craft . From here you might study the Billy Meier contact notes. I wish you well on your journey.
dhmartens 7 months ago
@dhmartens well thank you for the red herring, that is only the second time someone brought up concpircasy theories to some how prove something about god
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
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@dhmartens you know this how? that is just a cop out for when people start to realize something is fishy.
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
@dhmartens I thought knoweldge in Greek was "nosis"
RevengeOfIjapa 6 months ago
@Tribulation888 that is bs, what does god gain from proving something like that to satan?
sailornaruto39 7 months ago
@Tribulation888
thats a guy
kilkolio 8 months ago
This reminds me of a passage in Divina Commedia. When Dante asks the spirits in Heaven why is it that even people who had no chance of converting to christianity are condemned like heretics or criminals, the spirits respond that he shouldn't concern himself with these problems because, as a human, he has no chance or reason to understand God's motivations and he has to accept them even when they seem morally abject.
HyrAyl 8 months ago
I don't know which is creepier. That God would do all that stuff to Job to prove a point or that Job would still follow him afterward.
TheCeejReturns 8 months ago
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TBGA562 8 months ago
Is this Green Bean Johnson?
parafleet 8 months ago
God doesn't make things happen. He allows them to happen.
BRIGHTeyesCLOWN 8 months ago
@BRIGHTeyesCLOWN same difference
adler2adler 8 months ago
u can talk all u want but ur still subject to his will.
PLISKEN12 9 months ago
Lmaoooo
carolinabonita1 9 months ago
Blasphemy, that is all this video is.
carolinabonita1 9 months ago
@carolinabonita1 Ignorant, that is all you are.
Aurelovanovalopta 9 months ago 10
@carolinabonita1 LOL what cowardice LMFAO
silverfox2358 9 months ago
It looks like you convieniently did without how the ending of the book of Job played out. Maybe you are just looking for something, or someone to shake your fist at because you can't get your cookies.
BSmenot 10 months ago
u miss interpret the Bible
35idog 10 months ago
If only we could elect a god.
IKillBabyKittensLOL 10 months ago
@moopism chimpanzees also throw their shit at one another and eat insects out of the fur of each other. humans, on the other hand are arguing the existence of Gods and the meaning of life on a cyber message board to someone on the other side of the world. Evolution is only the cause for 2 of these inherited traits.Why did one monkey throw poop at the other monkey? it was an atheist.
mmtunno 10 months ago
TRYING TO TWIST WHAT IS WRITTEN IS NOT GOOD. HAVE U EVER HEARD DONT SAY ANYTHING IF YOU HAVE NOTHING NICE TO SAY. SPREADING THIS FALSE DOCTRINE IS WARNED AGAINST. EVERYONE WILL GET TESTED. THATS IT. MAN HAS THIS FALSE ASCPECTS OF TRYING TO PROVE EVERYTHING AND IF IT DOES NOT FIT WITH THERE TWISTED WAYS, THEY GO AGAINST IT. ONE DAY WE WILL SEE WHO WILL RAIN YOUR FATHER AND YOUR LORD OR MY FATHER AND MY LORD JESUS CHRIST.
niccosweet 10 months ago
@niccosweet PEOPLE WHO CAN'T FIGURE OUT CAPS LOCK SHOULD BE ON MEDICATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IN THE NAME OF HUMPTY DUMPTY, THREE BLIND MICE, AND THE MOTHER GOOSE.
moopism 10 months ago
I would love to have you as a friend. I sense great conversation, and shopping. :3
xSimone92x 10 months ago
Is it a guy or a girl?
YouMadButISwag 11 months ago
@YouMadButISwag Are you blind or just stupid?
moopism 10 months ago
@moopism Rhetorical question retard
YouMadButISwag 10 months ago
@YouMadButISwag Because you're both? Demonstrably?
moopism 10 months ago
@moopism Clearly
YouMadButISwag 10 months ago
@masala505 why does man even have a morality? no other creatures on earth have these feelings, the feeling of "ought", no other creature has such a moral as man does. Man does have it, but he did not create it. Just as man was created, these feelings of morality were given to us. Just because you cannot prove something does or does not exist cannot be a reason to feel one way or another about it. People believe in the multiverse theory, but not God. andin fact, the proof of God is all around us.
mmtunno 11 months ago
@mmtunno "why does man even have a morality? no other creatures on earth have these feelings,"
Not true, social animals all have behaviors that enhance the group, and that are, morals.
Even chimpanzees have been demonstrated to have complex notions of fairness, right , and wrong.
You don't require the existence of god to get there.
moopism 10 months ago
@masala505 yes, it seems to be becoming the same way in the U.S.A. as well. Its an interesting comment, especially since it is posted on a video about the book of job. are we supposed to accept all the good, and none of the bad? we rarely praise God for the good things, sometimes, but when anything bad comes up he is first to blame. Its interesting how in todays world, you arent smart if you believe in religion, but people quickly take the word of the media about anything. thats satan at work
mmtunno 11 months ago
@mmtunno
Why does that have to be Satan's work? Why can't it be the result of human progress (when I write progress, I don't necessarily mean it as a good or bad thing, but a general movement)? Why do we as humans even acknowledge Satan? If there is a Satan, it's just that side of God that balances out the "benevolence" that we tend to singularly associate with "God". Why can't God just merely exist, like humans, air, water, and everything else? And one mustn't be religious to believe in God.
piargno 11 months ago
@mmtunno Isn't best just to forget about God, Satan, Angels, faries, Father Christmas....let's fact it, you never see them because they are superstitious entities made up by man. Good, evil, etc, these are just moral judgements made by man....they don't exist the outside world.
masala505 11 months ago
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jouluturkki 11 months ago
Why does everyone immediately look at God as the reason for all their problems.. when Satan is the only one who is reason for any pain caused to humanity. God is the only reason you are here making these blasphemous videos. He gives you a chance at everlasting life, as long as you choose not the path of Satan.
mmtunno 11 months ago
@mmtunno Yes, but god created Satan....he created everything...aids, cancer, pain, suffering and the devil. You can't really believe that religious nonsense, can you? I'm from Switzerland - if you're religious here people think you are either poorly educated or foreign.
masala505 11 months ago
@masala505
What about if people believe in God but aren't religious? How are these people viewed?
piargno 11 months ago
@piargno The point is that there's absolutely nothing to indicate that there is a god, therefore god is non existent in everyday affaires. No one talks about god, no one goes to church, god is not written about,talked about in schools. It's the same in Amercica I suppose with the Roman god Jupiter....Jupiter simply doesn't play a role in Amercan society in the same way as Yahweh or Jesus do not play any role in Switzerland...or most of western europe for that matter. God is seen as nonsense.
masala505 11 months ago
@masala505
That's unfortunate, but if it works, then great! In America, even for non-believers, god and gods from various cultures/traditions play an important role. Many children know Greek and Roman mythology well, even if they don't believe in it. And knowing about the Bible/saints/basic Christian iconography, makes understanding classical art easier, even if you don't believe. God may be nonsense over there, but at least knowing a basic God history is still important here in the States.
piargno 11 months ago
@piargno I can't disagee with you...understanding religion is essential to understanding culture. The point I meant to make was believing in god, as if he or she is a real entity rather than a man made superstious concept, is not done here in switzerland. Church goers in Switzerland is probarly around 1%. In Switzerland we certainly study history, religions, etc, but we don't worship god as if he is real.
masala505 11 months ago
@masala505
Understood. But there is a large portion of humans who do believe in God - not the Bible form or any other traditional form, but a self-created belief - and don't attend church or don't affiliate themselves with a major religion. Just like you believe that there's nothing that indicates God's (not his) existence, there's really nothing that indicates God's NON-EXISTENCE. Even Christopher Hitchens believes this. But I do respect the non-violent beliefs of others.
piargno 11 months ago
@piargno
I will not answer the first two, as they are outlined in the text itself.
In the case of the third question, quite possibly no, but is living with another family better than being forever alone.
Fourth, I didn't necessarily mean that, but the pain Job suffered was a test, and not meaningless is probably better suited my argument, sorry for any misunderstandings.
In respect to you, thank you, I was glad I could respond.
PS: The Bible is to some degree metaphorical, God loves parables.
GatoradeLips 11 months ago
@GatoradeLips
The reason why I asked the first question is because you typed: "God did not cause what Job suffered, rather it was what other humans did." Where in the Book of Job is this idea supported? Satan caused Job's suffering, but God allowed it. Even at the end of the Book of Job, the author (perhaps one of the many) states "and they bemoaned him, and comforted him concerning all the evil that the LORD had brought upon him." Job's affliction was NOT because of humans in any way.
piargno 11 months ago
@piargno When you talk or god....are you talking about that ethnocentric, homophobic, racist, murdering little shit who is written about in the bible?
masala505 11 months ago
@masala505
I do not understand your question; did you mean to type: "When you refer to God in your comments, are you referring to an ethnocentric, homophobic, racist, murdering 'expletive' who is written about in the Bible?"
If this is the case, then I will say "yes". But I will also qualify by saying the God that's "written about in the Bible" (interesting simplification there) is not the God in which (not whom) I believe.
piargno 11 months ago
@GatoradeLips
For the second question, I guess I asked this because God says absolutely nothing to Job about why He allowed Satan to do what he did. God basically says, "You can never understand me. I did all of these things and I'm great. Do not question me." In this case, what Zinnia Jones says about "project Jaweh" is absolutely correct.
piargno 11 months ago
@GatoradeLips
I believe that being alone after the incident would be better than getting a new family. I would not want to run the risk of disrespecting the memory of my previous children by replacing them. This point of Job is very strange to me.
Are you aware of Job's story in the Qur'an or in the Talmud? Or are you familiar with the Targum of Job, which contains some mistranslations that may have been made to support a Christian agenda? Interesting stuff ...
piargno 11 months ago
In the New Testament, there is a story about Jesus healing a blind man. Someone asks Jesus, "who sinned? This man or his parents, that he is blind?" And Jesus responds, "Neither sinned. He's blind so that the work of God can be made manifest through him." Interpret this as you will, but don't you think all provocations of discussions of Job, including God-blasting YouTube videos, are actually the work of a God who wants to evoke discussion?
piargno 11 months ago
For Zinnia - this negative point of view is definitely valid. But can't there be a point of view that basically corresponds with your conclusion of things simply being? Can't God just simply be?
piargno 11 months ago
There are several reasons why your argument is invalid.
First, God did not cause what Job suffered, rather it was what other humans did. (1:12) (2:7)
Second, God gave Job a new family, land, and restored him to prosperity. (42:10-17)
Third, if possible I would like to hear quotes from the Bible to evidence the conclusion drawn.
Job was also tested, not tormented, as shown in the first chapter.
Please do not distort the Bible to for your argument, I respect your beliefs so please respect us too.
GatoradeLips 11 months ago
@GatoradeLips
For your points - what did humans do to Job in the Book of Job?
What did God say to Job to justify God's actions BEFORE God returned his wealth and family?
If you lost your children, would replacement children truly and completely replace the children you lost?
In the first chapter, Satan doesn't touch Job. In the second Job, God allows Satan to ruin him physically. This isn't torment? What is your definition of torment?
I'm asking these questions in respect to you.
piargno 11 months ago
I guess you don't believe in the Akashic records.
twdeg 11 months ago
My interpretation of the consequences of a Godless world - my Pazuzu Trilogy
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Ishkott 1 year ago
i like you hair... i do mine like that too and it definitely accentuates the face!
rcgrcg123123 1 year ago
The god described in the bible is such a cynical bastard, I don't know why people choose to follow Christianity or Judaism as a moral guidelines, especially in light of a supreme lack in empirical evidence. Why choose to follow a deity that has a massive probably of not existing in the first place when his sense of justice is so twisted as to torture and humiliate people who have done no wrong? This really goes to show just how backwards ass and upside down Christianity's morality is.
pumarunner88 1 year ago
Why don't you have more views?
Kan2209 1 year ago
I've subscribed to this channel about fifteen times and it Youtube keeps removing it from my subscription list. I'll keep trying, but someone might want to let Zinnia know that the Youtube boot appears to still be firmly affixed to our collective user throats.
SnarkLicker 1 year ago
Santa is like god; if you do bad you get coal (Hell), if you do good you get gifts (heaven), like ZJ said about the tooth fairy. ;)
housefan202 1 year ago 6
@housefan202 Indeed. I think the idea of Santa itself is created so that small children will have something to worship before they can understand god, and prepare them for religious mind control.
HyrAyl 8 months ago
God loves you and wants to forgive you! This is why He sent His only begotten Son Jesus. : )
kvmeow 1 year ago
confused a little?
helpmetony 1 year ago
We shouldn't be saying why are bad things happening to good people, but be thanking God that he hasn't poured out the fullness of his wrath on this dying world.
NARUHINAISAWESOME 1 year ago
There is no God. Your simply right.
-Case closed.
Zgamer618 1 year ago
There is no God. Your simply right.
-Case closed.
Zgamer618 1 year ago
Just curious. when you become a girl with long hair? Sorry for asking a sincere question. Hope we can put emotion aside and seek the truth.
TheGreenPastures 1 year ago
There is a God. Your simply lost.
-Case closed.
Parice244 1 year ago
There is a God. Your simply lost.
-Case closed.
Parice244 1 year ago
I'm not here to judge you, only God can do this, without question. God works when you listen to Him. As long as you try to make a fool out of God, the same he will make a fool out of you 100 folds more, so be prepaired. When all has happened, please don't kill yourself before you find out the truth. Find the truth first and then make your decision. And I promise you, you will live.
dreamingwolfsocom 1 year ago
One of the problems I have with this story is not so much with Job losing everything, but his family getting killed. I mean no one is safe. . .if god decided to test someone who might know me, I might end up on the hit list! Damn....maybe even the post man or the dog. No one is safe!!!!! Could it be that sometimes when bad stuff happens to people it's because they knew someone who was just a little too good and they are just part of the collateral damage of a divine experiment? Bummer.
Nitelurker1 1 year ago
@Nitelurker1 See but whether or not you have Read the story of Job, it clearly points out that Job was safe. His wife offered him to curse God and die, but he didn't.
halcaannen 1 year ago
brilliant!
RedroomStudios 1 year ago
Bk. of Job is not about "why" bad things happen. Its about coping with them. Its isn't an explanation, its an expression. I don't think that those who wrote it, didn't mean it literally - although plenty of people read it that way - theists and atheists alike. Its about vanity and self-righteousness standing in the way of acceptance and peace. Its about the value of compassion and not advice for a friend in sorrow. Its about letting go of "why me" for the grieving to find solace.
vdizhoor 1 year ago
@vdizhoor
I disagree. I think it's meant to be a lesson that no matter what life throws at you, you'd better still love God.
mtszabo 1 year ago
@vdizhoor While this is a decent statement, the reason Zinnia posted this video is to show that even if a God existed, he would not feel compelled to worship or follow that God, simply because God wasn't interested in following his own doctrine and decided to treat people fairly or unfairly regardless of their moral behavior.
If anything, God acted strangely in the book of Job, not just because of destroying Job's life, but doing so because Satan taunted God and made him self-conscious.
indigothecat 1 year ago
@indigothecat
Well, if someone is used to taking the Bible literally (like most believers and atheists probably) then yes, its a no brainer - God is a prick, the follower has a Helsinki syndrome. My point is that in those stories, that religions have usurped for their purposes, there is something meaningful. There is a difference between worshiping God and following priests or texts. By making God most important one can more easily cope with corruptions and losses of worldly things.
vdizhoor 1 year ago
@vdizhoor how in the world do you get that out of the story of Job.This man was righteous.. even God said so at the beginning of the story.The devil pretty much taunts god into letting him destroy a man's life on a BET!How do you get solace from that?Satan takes everything from this guy except his life and while Job had misgivings about the whole thing he never went as far as cursing god because he knew he didn't have the power to fight a omnipotent being.Hardly anything you should solace with!
gamesmaster35 1 year ago
@gamesmaster35
Well, to be honest, I just don't take it literally. Job is basically asking a question "why me", while his friends are telling him that he must have done something bad. Its an ongoing thing. Only when Job lets go of "why me" -simply abandons the question as meaningless in the face of a mysterious universe does his life get back on track. That's what I get from the story. Its basically about getting to the "acceptance" stage of grief - the last stage. The setting is allegory.
vdizhoor 1 year ago
@vdizhoor you do know that your take on this story is rather new age take on it right?If we went back in time about a hundred years you would probablly be hung and set ablaze for just the attempt of suggessting that it didn't really happen.It's just a story?
But more to the point that's not exactly what happened.God comes down and pretty much says hey Job iff you ever gain omnipotent power maybe I'll listen to ya but until then shutup and Job relents because... well..what else can he do.
gamesmaster35 1 year ago
@gamesmaster35 I hear ya. I am not a believer, so a 100 yrs ago, depending on where I live, I might just keep my mouth shut to avoid the aforementioned blaze :). Look, I just treat this as fiction. WHICH IT IS. Who wrote the story, why? Who can relate to it? The main character here is Job. God/Devil - these are just forces of nature beyond his knowledge and anthropomorphic. Just as the universe is beyond our control, full of mystery and indifferent, so are the Gods - a human face of the Cosmos.
vdizhoor 1 year ago
@gamesmaster35
While the dynamics how fiction became usurped by religion is interesting, I think what's probably true is that initially, these stories have been passed on and written down by people who saw meaning in them, because they could relate, just like good modern fiction, because it describe something that is true. Ancient myths are no different - its just that they've been institutionalized by religion. The story is not about what God did wrong, but how Job found his way out of misery.
vdizhoor 1 year ago
@gamesmaster35
So when God comes down and tells Job that he got no game - well its true. Shit happens - Job doesn't know why. Nor did the ancients. Job doesn't know about the bet. But neither do the writers express why God accepted the bet in the first place. We only know about the dialog between God and Satan - not their thoughts. God's later appearance is about humbling Job, shutting down his "why me" mode. Job accepts, and finds peace, eventually his life is restored.
vdizhoor 1 year ago
@vdizhoor The point isn't that Job praised a prick God, but that Job accepts that he has no power over certain forces of nature (as God does) and acquiesces. A Haitian who lost his family in quake and caught some disease could whale "why me" - prolonging his misery. A person who learns, through humility in face of mysterious forces to accept his fate - will find solace and put the tragedy behind him. The sun will rise again. Oblivious to plate tectonics, he can write the cause of as a "bet".
vdizhoor 1 year ago
@gamesmaster35
I hear ya! And yes, thank "God" :) that I live during a time that I won't be torched for heretical thinking :)
Perhaps you are right, but I guess, try to put yourself into the shoes of those who wrote the story, not those who preach it. The same forces that drive people to write today worked back then - they want to express something. Clearly (to us) they wrote fiction, but what moved them, what inspired them to write it?
vdizhoor 11 months ago
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TBGA562 8 months ago
@TBGA562 Right
vdizhoor 8 months ago
you look smart and im job
22jjlopez 1 year ago
My weekly dose of Zinnia, Ty.
Vegetabledishes 1 year ago
Man has always created God in his own image not the other way around
BoredAussieGamer 1 year ago 3
The argument you present is the definition of a straw man. The Bible does provide an answer beyond this. It's referred to as the Theology of the Cross. Daniel Deutschlander wrote a terrific book with that title. I'd recommend that you pick it up if you want to provide an honest and cogent evaluation of the Bible's answer to the question you pose.
stratman432006 1 year ago
Books*
sexyeuro 1 year ago
Wow u have no fuckin life. Go back to school n suck on ur teacher's dick cause ur that big of a nerd all u care about is fuckin boobs n bibles u retard... Ewwww i hate nerds! So gross! Ps; u look disgusting!
sexyeuro 1 year ago
Why do you look like anne robinson?
BloodOfRayne 1 year ago
The movie "trading places" with Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd comes to mind in the mention of this story.
rich2rock 1 year ago
Just one thing, I'm pretty sure the Bible says God isn't responsible for what man does, if he was. Kain wouldn't kill Abel, God would've ordered it, other than that nice vid.
KiddaDevonHiHi7 1 year ago
What good people?
TheCarydal 1 year ago 2
The reason why bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people, vice versa, is because life is a test designed by god so he can decide wether you deserve to go to heaven or hell. And also something that really pisses me off is that mosts atheists don't understand shit about Christianity and islam, catholicism, etc. They only try to understand about 10% of it and then act like they know eveything about it. THEY'RE FUCKING DUMBSHIT INTELLECTUALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xretardedxgenius98 1 year ago
The reason why bad things happen to good people and good things happen to bad people, vice versa, is because life is a test designed by god so he can decide wether you deserve to go to heaven or hell. And also something that really pisses me off is that mosts atheists don't understand shit about Christianity and islam, catholicism, etc. They only even try to understand about 10% of it and then act like they know eveything about it. THEY'RE FUCKING DUMBSHIT INTELLECTUALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
xretardedxgenius98 1 year ago
I don't like this video because you missed the main point. Things weren't just bad for job because god "decided it", they were bad because god made a bet (figuratively speaking) with devil about him. Job was nothing more than a guinea pig in gods bet with Satan! God utterly destroyed Job and his life (not to mention killed people and animals) all to prove a point to the devil. Who is the bad guy here, god or the devil?
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 It wasn't really a 'bet' with the devil. God knew the outcome. And ultimately the devil was at least partially right. It's easy to love God when he makes your life easy, just like it would be easy to marry a rich spouse. Would you want a husband or wife who marries you for your money? True love withstands harship and strengthens a relationship with another person or with God even when tragedy strikes. And faith will restore what has been lost. I say this from experience.
mastacsg 1 year ago
@mastacsg Any god who goes and screws someone's life up to prove a point to the devil is no god at all, or at least no god I would ever worship
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 He wasn't proving a point to the devil, he was proving a point to Job. And God didn't screw up Job's life. Job's life was excellent before and after he faced tragedy. He grew up, he bore his pain, and grew closer to God and enjoyed his blessings until death.
mastacsg 1 year ago