That is a good question. I would imagine that it would be much more reliable than a 4 cylinder because each cylinder performs 1/2 the work. It is impressive to see a 4 cyl making 800 hp, but each cylinder making roughly 200 hp takes a pounding vs an 8 cyl. making 100 hp per cylinder.
All though having more cylinders would normally be more reliable Subaru uses a boxer engine which are the most resilient type of motors. Normally when not being raced Subarus can reach 200k easily 300k is frequent and 400k and 500k not always unusual. When being raced with heavy mods and being abused 100k-200k is the range you get. And there is a Subaru STi that goes faster than the Bugatti Veyron with 1200hp and you can modify them to 1400 hp at fractions of the cost of a other cars.
@Loscaldazar I can't imagine the life expectancy being very long in an the STI engine at 1,200 hp regardless of what anyone says. The internals will be failry common in similar builds and those cylinders are still taking more of a pounding and there is no way around that. If that were not the case, guys making that much hp running 7 & 8 second cars would use them and that doesn't happen. Larger displacement and additional cylinder engines work less to produce the same power.
No BS here buddy. V8s make tons of power on pump gas. V10s in vipers have made even more. Search for the 8 second pump gas Z06 pass on you tube. You guess how much power it would take to run 8s. Also the Lingenfelter TT Vette that went 226 mph in 1 mile made 1100 rwhp on 93 octane. That is also on You tube and at their site.
Type in Pump gas Z06 on here and see the 03 Z06 that made 904 rwhp on pump gas with a 427 and Procharger. I have owned a few V8s and making power on pump is easy.
The crawford guys aren't going to bs about the vette being "heavily" modded so I'm sure its not running just "tires and exhaust". I would guess more along the lines of cams, em tune, ported and polished heads, etc.
Haha, you're the one discounting the boosted wrx as running "gimmicks" when its clearly outperforming the z06 which is also modded. I run a 2L 97 jdm ej20k with over 300 chp with my only mod being the 3" turbo back exhaust. I'm familiar with the retail cost of mods but guys on the subaru forums sell parts used for way less than retail when they change setups just like the chevy guys do. It might cost $15k to have a shop do it but some of us prefer DIY.
Domestic manufactures want power... they up the displacement. Import manufacturers want power... they improve powertrain technology. Its easy to make power with ridiculous displacement.
The interesting thing is, the larger displacement gets better gas mileage. There isn't another car on the planet that makes 505 hp and beats the gas guzzler tax like the Z06. I would rather have the raw power than gimmicks to simulate it. It's also easy to make power with Forced induction or a crap load of cams.
So a 2.5L tubocharged 4 cylinder that has to drag an awd drivetrain blasts by a car with over 500 na hp and rwd and that's a gimmick? Wow, that's the kind of gimmick I like.
A modified car blasting past a stock car is not as impressive than if it were stock. A turbo will make a go cart fast. My 87 GN made over 500 rwhp with a good size turbo on a 17 year old V6. They are just air pumps and when you force it in, you are changing the game. You ever see what a turbo does on a 427 ci engine? try about 800+ rwhp on 93 octane. There are a few Z06s that make over 1,000 rwhp on 93 octane on you tube. Try that with a 2.5L and bring a broom and garbage bags when you do.
I don't know if you realize this but those mods on the STI are over 15K for you to get before installed. I would be shocked if the Z06 had anything more than tires and maybe exhaust. I noticed the specific mods were not mentioned.
I do admire the z06's supposed fuel economy. My friend just got an 03 and I'm curious as to how the car's going to last for him. He used to own a modified 06 subaru wrx, lol
I think they're both awesome cars, especially modded. But for the real world, the Subaru is more practical AND fun. The Corvette is almost exclusively a track car. They also don't like speedbumps, curbs, potholes, bumps, gravel, rain, snow, or unflattened roadkill. Those things won't bother the Subaru.
that won't bother a stock 300bhp soft understeer subaru. But it will kill this modified one. Instead of the adjustable suspension, there is just no way to keep a car hard on track and soft on road. I don't think the subaru can have that. By the way, z06 is not that stiff.
Good call. People who have no concept of money, taxes and paying bills in general would by a 250,000 dollar Ferrari. As for the rest of us, we can think of better things to do with 250,000 dollars. Buying a house or getting a better education would be a few goods ones. Not out pacing low horse power cars at a race track on weekends then bragging about it like it took extreme skill when it didn't. It was all the car.
There are two reasons I continue to respond to the BIGGEST RICER ON YOUTUBE.
1) It pisses him off, and pissing off RICERS is fun.
2) He provides a running demonstration to the world that RICERS like him and absolute, complete dumbfucks. Ignorant retards incapable of completing a logical thought, much less make an actual rebuttle to any argument. RICE.
"1) It pisses him off, and pissing off RICERS is fun."
Actually I couldn't care less what a trust fund baby thinks. Every time you use the word ricer it showcases your racism for everyone here to read. You are owning yourself only you are too dumb to see it. I like how you post on videos of Corvette's LOSING and then argue there is no Corvette to be found in the video you just posted on. NOW THAT SHIT IS FUNNY LMAO!
1) Explain to me why I should care what a trust fund baby like you thinks?
2) Ricer is a racist word. You use it EVERY post. You are there for, a racist bigot.
3)Read #2 again. You are owning yourself because of your ignorance of the meaning of ricer and it's usage for starters.
4) You said 'there is no corvette in this video'. Clearly that 3rd generation Mazda RX-7 was racing a Corvette. It just so happens to be the model your daddy owns and you drive with his permission of course.
This is either a lie or another example of your inability to read. I don't know which, but I never siad that. I said repeatedly there was no Z06 in that video because there wasn't and yet you kept saying there was.
So the RX-7 in that other video was racing 'nothing'? It was a C5Z06 just like you said. It's the same model you drive. And it got it's ass kicked by a 1.3 turbo rotary. Is that about right?
"It was a C5Z06 just like you said It's the same model you drive"
WRONG. Go back and watch it again. It is a 2004 Coupe. NOT a Z06. That car weighs about 150 lbs more than my car, is down about 50hp from my car and has poorer gearing than my car. BIG difference. You try to argue about these cars and you don't even know the basics about them. Another ricer trait of yours.
Nope, you are wrong. It's just a even sucker version of the Corvette you drive. It's still badged as a Corvette thought you racist trust fund baby. Another domestic loving trait of yours, you just can't accept a Corvette losing to a import.
"Nope, you are wrong. It's just a even sucker version of the Corvette you drive"
And this is how a ricer admits he was wrong that that the corvette in that video was not a Z06 like he repeated over and over, but a base Corvette coupe like I had to correct him over and over.
The Z06 is 3,150 lbs. respectfully. The Impreza is not that much different, The Z06 has a VERY sloppy Gear box, I had a chance to drive one at my dealership they are actually really crappy cars in less you are on a 200 Mile drag.
The z06 is not maxed out from the factory. I can guarentee you give it to somebody who knows suspension tuning and it'll be very much an improved car. The Crawford STi is nothing short of fast, no doubts. But a well tuned lighter more power car should be a stock z06 with just an exhaust and road racing tires.
the best mod's for road course are stiff sticky tires wider wheel's big brake kit, Monotube inverted suspension. and most important the driver.
idk whats offered in the after market world for a Z06. I think there pretty much maxed out from the factory. Like a Honda S2k. little improvments can be made. I'm a car guy i love all car's but prefer my STI.
500whp + AWD= :) I have set a goal of 600whp :) maybe next winter.
"idk whats offered in the after market world for a Z06. I think there pretty much maxed out from the factory"
Search for "katech" and "lingenfelter z06." There is a lot in the aftermarket and can be made a lot faster than stock. Search for "katech sebring" and watch the three videos there. VERY fast car. Sure, it's not as easy the turn up the speed as a turbo car, but make no mistake, untill you are dominating the Speed World Challenge, you have not surpassed all Z06s.
"Sure, it's not as easy the turn up the speed as a turbo car, but make no mistake, untill you are dominating the Speed World Challenge, you have not surpassed all Z06s."
The Crawford STi owned the Corvette in this video and all you can do is talk about 'other' Corvettes? Just pretend this video doesn't exist. You want your daddy's vette to go faster? You better pay someone to pull it's engine and totally re-tuned the engine for any kind of turbine kit. I bet you can't even do a oil change.
"You better pay someone to pull it's engine and totally re-tuned the engine for any kind of turbine kit."
Completely unnecessary. Installing a turbo would be retarded. I can have all the power I could ever use N/A. Which is a much perfered method for road racing.
"I bet you can't even do a oil change."
Is this how you bacame a dirt poor, trailer park ricer? By making a bunch of foolish bets?
Yes. Learn to read. I said I CAN have all the power I could ever use N/A. And yes, if I had a 800hp N/A Z06, I would be able to take on any turbo or supercharger identical Z06 on the track.
"I said I CAN have all the power I could ever use N/A. And yes, if I had a 800hp N/A Z06, I would be able to take on any turbo or supercharger identical Z06 on the track."
This is funny. It's funny because we are talking about you driving ANY car LOL! Your cornering work is a fucking joke. You miss almost every apex. Your turn in is either too late or way too early. Don't know know how to heel-toe down shift. You brake too early. Your driving is fucking pathetic, because you rely on power.
I have the fastest lap on youtube for two different tracks. You...... brag about "keeping up" street racing civics. Needless to say, you trying to pick on my driving is quite hilarious.
You are totally correct. Your driving is quite hilarious. I've never seen a perfect example of the complete opposite of smooth in my life. I wonder if a Honda Civic has ever spanked a cheesy Corvette? I would think so. You'd learn more driving your Toyota by not relying on power. I don't expect a moron to understand this concept though. You are so pathetic you you need four or five times the amount of displacement to win. Just because you posted you have the fast lap doesn't mean you are.
No you hate me because you are a fascists and I'm right. You mean I'm not logical because I said the STi that PASSED that fart bag Corvette? I thought it was obvious about half way through the video. Assholes like you who use the word ricer are bigots. You are a racist, redneck, brainless, dickless, hopeless sack of monkey shit and your car is every bit as cheesy and slow as the one in this video getting raped by the Crowford STi.
"Needless to say, you trying to pick on my driving is quite hilarious." -me
"You are totally correct. Your driving is quite hilarious" -Retard.
Do you think anybody falls for your completely braindead attempts at arguments? You do know that you are the only one incapable of understanded simple sentances, don't you?
Not really trust fund baby. Watching you drive is damaging enough. I'm just pointing out how much you suck at it. It's also the best comedy I've seen in years. ^_^
"Assholes like you who use the word ricer are bigots. You are a racist, redneck, brainless, dickless, hopeless sack of monkey shit"
Haha!!!! I knew for a fact that I wasn't the first person to identify you as a RICER. Clearly, it happens all the time and you are quite butthurt about it. There is something you can do about it, cease being a RICER! Hell, you could start out by simply stop being the BIGGEST RICER ON YOUTUBE by realizing you get owned all over youtube and STFU.
"Haha!!!! I knew for a fact that I wasn't the first person to identify you as a RICER."
Yeah? And? I said 'people' that would include you along with a lot more 'people' you dumb ass. They only reason you call people ricer is clearly because they prefer Japanese sports cars over poorly constructed and cheesy American sports cars. Just like Coldrainynights said before, you are the dumbest Z06fanboy youtube. I only getting owned here is you you cross burning racist redneck.
I own an STI thats modded and I own a 68 charger thats really modded. The STI is an amazing car for what it was built for and the vette is also,I've seen vettes with R compound tires beating modded STIs around the cones on courses,but in the same token you dont see vettes compete in rally,both are great!
I just think your an idiot if you think you have the fastest car on the road and you cant be beat,I've beaten vettes and lost to vettes,theres alota variables that make a fast car.I respect both cars because they are fun cars.Its just fun beating the pants off arrogant people who think they cant be beat.
I really doubt my '86 or FC are the 'fastest cars' on the road. I think Corvettes are really cheesy. Pretty much everything GM makes is cheap crap. I think you have to be a complete prick to drive one too. Just look at Z06gimp, he's a racist asshole, it seems like a ownership requirement. There is at least one thing trust fund baby can't by; technique. I learned all my game in under powered cars. When I switch to the FD I'll be a even better driver than if started in the FD.
That's because you are a ricer. Ricers are jealous and hatefull towards any American car that is superior to theirs. And my GM American car is superior to yours.
How exactly is the Corvette in this video 'superior' to the STi when the GM joke is slower? You need a reality check. If you think your Papa's Corvette is faster than all non American cars you are bat shit crazy.
"How exactly is the Corvette in this video 'superior' to the STi"
It may not be, I don't know. Neither of us really know anything about the cars. We don't even know the Crawford car is faster. The difference could be completely in the driving. The point is Crawford built a great car and they turn fast laps. So they are faster than some random Z06. So what? Are they faster than ALL Z06's? Absolutely not. So how does that make the STi superior to the Z06? It doesn't.
No it's not. It applies to people like you no matter what race you are. Race has nothing to do with it. It refers to a person's attitude, beliefs, and behaviors. You are rice on all accounts.
"The Z06 in this video is slower than the Crawford STi"
So? The problem is ricers like you take that and say STi's are faster/better than Z06's. All a race between modded cars tells you is that car with it's mods and it's driver was quicker than the other car with it's mods and it's driver on that day. It doesn't change the fact that the Z06 is FAR faster stock, far faster as a full on race car, and with equal mods and drivers will usually be far faster.
"So? The problem is ricers like you take that and say STi's are faster/better than Z06's"
Well this STi is faster than the Corvette in this video. Race tracks with long straight aways play to a Corvette's strength; driving in a straight line. Very boring. Tracks with a lot S-curves, R-curves and hairpins play to a STi's strengths, accelerating out of corners. Your argument is only valid on a track that allows the car with the highest top speed to win. The Z06 is a one trick pony.
LMAO! What more of your Gran Turismo lap times? You expect me to buy that? LOL! You think a Z06 would be at home on a Rally style track? Obviously you are wrong. A Z06 will never have AWD traction no matter how powerful it is, remember that detail you retard?
As previously mentioned, the ricer simply denys the facts when they are presented. Once again, all these lap times and their sources can be found at fastestlaps(dot)com. It's time to stop denying the facts.
One of my arguments trust fund baby doesn't like is the one on price. Why bother spending 70,000 dollars on a C6Z06 when you can buy and modify a STi that will kill a stock C6Z06? Another concept that moron doesn't understand is that some people actually enjoy upgrading their cars. Change the footwork on a car and you change everything. How much do you want to bet the first thing Z06moron would upgrade on any car would be the engine? As for me, power is nothing without control, suspension first.
And exactly many times have you driven my AE86 or FC3S? Zero is it? Nice try trust fund baby.
"Wrong. Driver education and track training first. If you are not on the track, you don't need any mods since you are not even in the game."
That would almost be relevant if the only placed I raced were at a track. Sorry you asshole, but mountain passes are a lot more challenging than any track on earth. Why? Where you deal with feet, I deal in inches.
"mountain passes are a lot more challenging than any track on earth. Why? Where you deal with feet, I deal in inches"
Is this a quote from Fast and Furious; Tokyo Drift? It sounds like it could be but of course I have never watched the movie. Saying things like that is one of the things that make you a ricer. And for the record, you have bragged about being able to keep up with civics on while endangering the lives of innocent people, so you're not fast.
I'm simply stating a fact. The price you pay for understeer on a race track is a ride through some kitty litter. The price for understeer on a narrow mountain pass is usually death in the form of a flaming wreck at the bottom of said mountain. Any questions? Where are these 'innocent people' you are talking about at 2am? Sleeping you dumb ass.
"The price you pay for understeer on a race track is a ride through some kitty litter. The price for understeer on a narrow mountain pass is usually death in the form of a flaming wreck at the bottom of said mountain."
Which is exactly why those of us on the track are pushing the limit of our car's ability much more than ricers street racing like you. We can test the limits and drive at the edge without the change of dying.
"Where are these 'innocent people' you are talking about at 2am? Sleeping"
Most of them. But not all of them. You don't own the road and you have no right to put the safety of innocent people at risk. Participate on amatuer rallys if you're too lame to go to the track where you would have to compete with fast cars and compare your pitiful lap times with real cars.
I think trying to race on a steep, narrow, winding mountain pass road at night without at least upgrading a car's suspension, chassis, tires and fine tuning a car's footwork angles would be your dumb ass mistake, not mine. I don't play your track game you prick. You'd crash and burn playing mine. I've already explained why passes take more refined technique than your little weekends at race tracks, especially going downhill. Experience has been my teacher. For example, can you drift? I can.
"Why bother spending 70,000 dollars on a C6Z06 when you can buy and modify a STi that will kill a stock C6Z06?"
Why bother spending 35,000 dollars on a STi when you can buy and modify (or not modify) a C5Z06 that will kill an STi? That's why you can't compare modded cars to stock cars RICER. Everybody seems to understand that sooner or later except the true retards like akinadownhillrice. Unfortunately he has proven over and over that he can not understand the most basic logic.
The question is, prick, which is less expensive, the STi or your daddy's C5Z06? I'll guess the STi. I'll compare modified cars and stock cars when ever the fuck I feel like it you chimp. Why? Because a new C6Z06 cost 70,000 dollars. A new WRX STi (the one that embarrasses the Ford GT 500) is around 36,000 dollars stock. How much would it cost to modify a STi to murder a C6Z06? Around 10,000 dollars or 46,000 dollars total. The price gap? 24,000 dollars. That's why Corvettes are lame you moron.
Why is it a used STi goes for about 5,000 dollars less than a used C5Z06? Because Corvette's suck that's why. If you want to talk 'new car' price comparisons, Vettes get embarrassed for costing so much. What's your excuse for a 'super car' that gets beat by a modified import that cost less than half? Still going to make the 'I'm faster stock' argument after you've lost? Just look what the 2008 Subaru WRX STi did to the 2007 Ford Shelby GT500 STOCK. BEAT. IT'S. ASS. Now that's the power of RICE.
"If you want to talk 'new car' price comparisons, Vettes get embarrassed for costing so much"
Actually Corvettes, both the Coupe and Z06 are univerally known for providing the best performance bargin in the world. It's why the Covette is one the R+T's 10 best cars every year. If you want to talk new car prices, you can't compare to the Z06 that blows the STi out of the water. Compare the Z51 that beats the STi and sells for $42,000.
"If you want to talk new car prices, you can't compare to the Z06 that blows the STi out of the water."
LOL! How's that? Let's review shall we? Cost of new C6Z06? 70,000 stock. Cost of new STi new? 36,000 dollars. How how much would I have to spend to modify the Impreza to crush the Corvette? A lot less than 70,000 dollars you shit for brains! LOL! You are so fucking DUMB! I'm dying of laughter!
Let me guess, good of fashion redneck drag racing huh?"
You think the Top Gear Track is a drag strip? Hmmmm..... you would think someone who spends as much time on youtube as you would know what the show "Top Gear" is and that they have a test track. Or you could finally go to fastestlaps(dot)com and see what the Top Gear test track looks like for yourself.
No, they are the officially posted times for the cars. You can see the times and the sources for yourself at fastestlaps(dot)com. But you have demonstrated another feature of the ricer; denying all facts when they are presented.
"What's your excuse for a 'super car' that gets beat by a modified import that cost less than half?"
Any modified car should be able to beat a stock car. There are many downsides to cheap cars with a lot of mods. That's why you can't fairly compare them to stock cars. That's the same thing as me asking you, "What's your excuse for a 'rally car' that gets beat by a modified 1987 Mustang that costs less that half?" But I don't ask such things because I'm not a ricer.
Typical excuses. I bet the guy driving the Corvette in this video had the same cry baby excuses after getting over taken.
""What's your excuse for a 'rally car' that gets beat by a modified 1987 Mustang that costs less that half?"
So now you think a 1987 Mustang can beat a STi on a track or 'Rally'? I noticed you didn't answer my question. I figure you wouldn't. How would you explain why a Corvette cost that much new? You can't, it's that simple.
"So now you think a 1987 Mustang can beat a STi on a track"
Absolutely. There is no question about it, a modified 1987 Mustang is capable of destroying a stock STi on the track for about 1/3 the price of a STi. Just as a modded STi can beat a stock Z06 for less money. Duh, I thought even a ricer like you would know that.
Some how I doubt a 1987 Mustang can corner as well as a STi. STi's can out corner everything from your lame ass Corvette's, to Ferrari's, Lamborghini's ect ect. And that's will less power. What you have failed to explain over and over again is how is a C6Z07 worth buying for 70,000 dollars if all it takes is modifying a a import like a STi to win? Keep in mind, all I care about is winning for less cash.
"I doubt a 1987 Mustang can corner as well as a STi"
If you are following this correctly, that would be a modified 1987 Mustang vs a stock STi. And a full suspension, race slick fox body will EASILY out corner a stock STi. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
"how is a C6Z07 worth buying for 70,000 dollars if all it takes is modifying a a import like a STi to win? Keep in mind, all I care about is winning for less cash"
If all you care about is winning for less cash, then the C6Z06 is not for you. But there are people who care about more things than "winning for less cash." Ricers do not understand this, of course. Of course, if "winning for less cash" is all you care about, there are plenty of cars better than the STi.
Spoken like a true fundamentalist. Why? Because some prick driving a Ferrari is saying the same thing about guys like you who drive Corvettes because they aren't 'expensive enough'. I've decided to get a FD3S RX-7. AWD and FR's both have their strengths and weaknesses of course. But one thing I wouldn't be able to do with a AWD is a skill I've been practicing since the late 90's; drifting. Done correctly, at the right time and place, at the limit four wheel drift is faster than grip.
"some prick driving a Ferrari is saying the same thing about guys like you who drive Corvettes because they aren't 'expensive enough"
Sort of. You know what the difference is? I'm not a ricer. I say, "yup, your Ferrari is faster than my Z06 and it's a whole lot sweeter. Props to you for buying it. I wish I could afford one too," instead of denying the fact that it's faster and saying my Corvette is better because it would be faster with $200k in mods.
I just don't see how spending 70,000 dollars on a car that can't beat a cheaper modified one is a good idea. How do you think someone would feel if they spend 250,000 on a Ferrari only get schooled by a way cheaper modified car? I would have to be out of my damn mind to spend 250,000 on any car. If I had that much money I'd still buy a FD. There is only so much power you can give a car before it becomes impractical. I want balance.
"I just don't see how spending 70,000 dollars on a car that can't beat a cheaper modified one is a good idea"
Then you need to open your mind to the greater world that is around you. Not everyone is just like you. 70k is cheap to some people so why would they buy an STi that is slower and has less potential than the Z06? The Z06 is faster, lighter, lower, can handle bigger tires, and can make HUGE power n/a. No PITA, uneven power distributing turbo.
STi is far more practical. It can be bought and modified to take a stock Z06 down. A few things a Corvette will never be able to do is Rally off road, seat five people or beat a modified STi that only cost 46,000. Of course the Corvette can be modified to beat a STi but it's difficult to go super charging or turbo charging a engine that's build for natural aspiration. The days of turbo lag are gone. Look at the FD, it's got sequential turbos to eliminate it and that was back in 1993.
"A few thing a STi will never be able to do is get good gas mileage, do burn outs, or beat a modified civic that only cost 22,000."
I would hope anyone who buys a AWD has enough sense to know it can't burn out or drift on tarmac. Well many with a computer that allows a person to control how much power is going to which set of wheels. I doubt anyone who spends thousands of dollars on various modification would care about gas mileage.
"I would hope anyone who buys a AWD has enough sense to know it can't burn out or drift on tarmac...I doubt anyone who spends thousands of dollars on various modification would care about gas mileage."
I would hope anyone who buys a sports car has enough sense to know it can't hold five people or go off roading. I doubt anyone who spends $70k on a Z06 would care about practicality.
Then why are you bring up maintenance costs of a STi? Then you gotta ask yourself how would you feel after spending 70,000 dollars on a car than can't keep up with the Subaru in this video?
"Clearly the answer to my question is "no." Dude, WTF are you talking about maintenance costs? Will you get a damn clue already?"
So if I spent thousands on a turbine kit you think I'd care about buying premium gas more often? Why don't you buy a clue already? You do have a Corvette you ought to have more than enough money.
"Great! You still spank the bajuses out of 99.9% of STi's and every one you will ever meet."
Until you run into a 36K WRX that only took 10K dollars to beat a 70K Z06.
"So if I spent thousands on a turbine kit you think I'd care about buying premium gas more often?"
Holly crap! There you go again throwing out completely unrelated, compretely retarded nonsense! YOUR COMMENT HAS NO RELATION TO ANY OTHER COMMENT. YOU ARE F'ED IN THE HEAD SO JUST STFU!
"Until you run into a 36K WRX that only took 10K dollars"
OOPS! There you go again. How many times do I have to go over to Crawford's website and remind you how much just the engine alone costs in this car? That's not even getting into the idiocy of comparing a highly modded car to a stock one AGAIN. As we have already been over and over.
It doesn't take the amount of money Crawford's spent on their STi to beat a Z06. On that note the description of this video reads;
"Dr. Russ Warr driving the Crawford Time Attack Subaru takes on a heavily modified Corvette Z06"
How exactly did you miss that? It says as plain as day the Corvette Z06 in this video isn't stock but 'heavily modified'. So you are wrong, the Corvette in this video is anything but 'stock'. Fact is money goes a lot further towards performance with a WRX.
I don't quite understand the description of the Corvette Z06 as being "Heavily Modified" A re-flashed ECU, upgraded suspension?(That could mean anything from a full race set up or just tires and shocks) And a so called full race exhaust? Should not Vette's exhaust be screaming loud? I am kind of skeptical. Looks like a promotional video to me. Sure the Crawford's "Time Attack" Subaru is an awesome car, but its far from being cheap. Say some dollar amount north of 70k.
Brother don't be a hater. Those so called "plastic pigs" have ran with the worlds best at the 24 hour of Le Mans with great success. When was the last time Subaru won the WRC? In fact they are pulling out of WRC. Maybe they just got tired being beat by Fords.
A ford beat a STi? Not likely. I do believe the 2008 STi beat the 2007 Ford GT-500. All while having a hood scoop that actually works. As for the plastic pig...eh... Leaf springs. Like a horse cart. Enough said.
Come on bro, Subaru did not even finish in the top 4 of the 2008 WRC. And I am sorry to blow your bubble, but it was a Ford Focus that was one of the cars that laid the smack down on the Soobies. Yep composite leaf spring, a very old design indeed. But hey they work. When is the last time a Subaru took on the worlds best and won?
When people think of WRC, they think of "Lancia" and the "11" WRC they won. Subaru has only won 3. Mitsubishi with only one. Ford has more WRC wins then both Subaru and Mitsubishi combined with 5. bro do you even own one of these cars?
Dude, that had zero to do with how their cars performed in WRC. It's economics and global recession. Fuji Heavy Industries actually knows how to turn a profit. If they ran their company like a bunch of idiots like Ford (or all of Detroit for that matter) has, they wouldn't have the luxury of being bailed out like a bunch of babies by the Japanese taxpayers. They'd go bankrupt which is exactly what should happen with Ford and GM.
"Of course the Corvette can be modified to beat a STi but it's difficult to go super charging or turbo charging a engine that's build for natural aspiration"
And completely unnecisarry. Plenty of power can be made N/A. You don't HAVE to have FI if you don't want it. You have a choice.
"How do you think someone would feel if they spend 250,000 on a Ferrari only get schooled by a way cheaper modified car?"
They would think, "damn that's a fast car. Maybe I'll go buy one and mod it for fun. No need to sell this sweet Ferrari, of course. It's still an f'ing sweet Ferrari that is fast and provides enjoyment. If I modded my Ferrari, it would kick that car's azz. But why ruin such a sweet car?"
Until you have to buy parts for the Ferrari. I hear the new FR Ferrari's clutch plate is modeled after the Formula 1 car and cost 20,000 dollars. There is only so much power any car can handle. Modifying a powerful car like a Ferrari for even more power MIGHT ruin it's balance. I wouldn't want it so fast the suspension can't catch up. That would be deadly.
"There is only so much power any car can handle. Modifying a powerful car like a Ferrari for even more power MIGHT ruin it's balance. I wouldn't want it so fast the suspension can't catch up. That would be deadly"
So you think Japanese cars with < 300hp can handle more power than Ferrari's that start with 500hp or more? The answer is no. Mod for mod, the Ferrari will always be faster on the track.
"Just look what the 2008 Subaru WRX STi did to the 2007 Ford Shelby GT500"
Who cares? Different cars with different purposes. Why do you have to change cars? That's like me saying, "Just look what the 2008 Chevy Corvette did to the 2007 Honda S2000." But I don't say that, because I'm not a ricer.
It matters for a few reasons. The STi's engine has a fraction of the displacement of the GT500. Yet, the STi is still faster. The Corvette in this video is another car with more displacement than the STi in this video. Yet, all it took were simple modifications to crush the Corvette in this video. It did all of this all while costing a fraction. Do you think your daddy's C5Z06 could even KEEP up with the Crawford STi? I dare you to answer that question you racist fart bag.
"all it took were simple modifications to crush the Corvette in this video. It did all of this all while costing a fraction"
The ignorance is flowing here. A quick trip over to Crawford's website will tell you that at a MINIMUM the engine package costs $22,000. That's just for the added power, nothing for suspension or brakes. And it has a fully built motor and is Crawford's time attack car. That's not "simple modifications." It's a well tuned, track prepped car by professionals.
Then perhaps you could explain why Coldrainynights' EVO could keep up with a cheesy Corvette so easily? The STi and EVO are old rivals and are very similar in how they are set up. Assuming a stock STi cost around 36,000 the Crawford STi still only cost about 58,000 dollars after modifications. That's 12,000 less than a C6Z06. The fact is the Z06 isn't fast enough stock to warrant costing that much. The only thing more wasteful with cash would be a Ferrari.
"perhaps you could explain why Coldrainynights' EVO could keep up with a cheesy Corvette so easily?"
Coldrainynights has no videos and never even told a story about racing a Corvette so I don't know WTF you are talking about. Truth is, you don't either.
You are making me quote myself again because you are a retard. I said 'could KEEP UP with a cheesy Corvette so easily'. It was quite apparent he could have overtaken that Corvette anytime he want. Besides being slower than his EVO, he's a much better driver than whoever was driving that Corvette.
"Coldrainynights' EVO could keep up with a cheesy Corvette so easily?" -ricer
You are making me quote you AGAIN because you are a retard. Read what you wrote: COLDRAINYNIGHTS. He is an EVO owner but he has no videos so WTF are you talking about "keeping up with a Corvette?" Look him up yourself. He has no videos!
"Z06 isn't fast enough stock to warrant costing that much"
Until the GTR, it was the fastest car for the money by a LONG shot. You are still missing the point. The Z06 is fast with a full warrantee, California emissions, a drive train that lasts well over 100k miles, runflat tires, etc. Try getting that STi inspected in California or repaired under warrantee, they will just laugh at you. You can't put a price on that stuff. And that's why you can't compare the price of modded vs stock.
I'm glad I don't live in California anymore then. I don't have to worry about emissions where I live now. Aside from that, FD's don't need catalytic converts. I am of course talking about racing here. Who said anything about emissions, warranties and California state laws? Believe it or not, I hate GTR's more than Corvettes. Being fast with a GTR isn't skill, it's all the car. At least the Corvette is lighter and FR. Nothing would make me feel better than crushing a GTR in my future FD.
"Who said anything about emissions, warranties and California state laws?"
Hello? Do you still not get it? You asked why a stock C6Z06 costs more than a modded STi. THAT'S why. Because there is more to the price of a car than what it can do on the track and those are a few advantages a stock Z06 has over a modded STi.
All I care about is winning. The means to that end are irrelevant to me so long as I'm not relying on electronic training wheels like ABS, traction control or the ATESSA system. If If can win on pure skill, fantastic. If not, upgrades to the suspension, brakes, tires, engine, transmission and differential wouldn't bother me at all.
"All I care about is winning. The means to that end are irrelevant to me so long as I'm not relying on electronic training wheels like ABS, traction control or the ATESSA system"
Those are contradictory statements. But this is not about what YOU care about anyway. You know the evo has a computer controling the front/rear distribution of power, don't you? You don't seem to mind that. And by your own rules, modded to hell Fox bodies and C4 vettes would outperform the FD for the money.
Yeah but you can get that turned off. The 2008 STi has a console just for that purpose alone. Imagine what can be done at a specialty shop? The first thing that would have to go on my STi would be ALL training wheels. I don't like the idea of a computer doing part of the driving. Why not simply get better at driving instead of relying on technology?
"The first thing that would have to go on my STi would be ALL training wheels. I don't like the idea of a computer doing part of the driving. Why not simply get better at driving instead of relying on technology?"
Because the computer's torque splitting is making the car corner better than is possible without it no matter who is driving. That's why the GTR is fast, it's doing things no driver can do.
You hate the AE86. I doubt you've ever driven one. But to me that car is a good piece of training equipment. It doesn't any of that electronic garbage to retard a drivers skill development. It doesn't have a lot of power so the driver has to learn not only how much brake pressure can be added before the tires lock up but also HOW MUCH braking to use. Too little you understeer. Too much you lose too much momentum you can't get back with only 150bhp. That car trains the driver.
Wrong. I hate ricers who put it on a pedestal like it's some great car when the truth is it's pretty much just like a Pinto, Capri MKI, or BMW 130i. The only reason it has any notority at all is that it's just about the only Japanese RWD compact so that's one of the cars they used for racing and drifting. If the Capri was Japanese, "Drifters" would be driving that instead.
"Nothing would make me feel better than crushing a GTR in my future FD"
Well it's probably not going to happen. That thing is a beast. I can't wait to have my shot at one on the track too. But if I take one, it will be because of a slow driver, there is no denying it's capabilities anymore. It's not for me either. The computer does a lot of the balance work, there is no clutch, and it costs $70k. But I'm not going to deny the facts or talk crap about it.
The GTR's all have the same weakness. The body weight, the new GTR is a VERY heavy car. It's going to wear it's tires and brakes before a lighter car will. It can't enter corners as fast as a FD can. The key for the GTR is it's exit and the key for the FD is the entrance of a corner. I don't understand how anyone can like not having total control over a car. Yeah the GTR is very fast but that doesn't mean I have to like how it achieves it.
You passed a Scion...
BattleshipStLouis 6 months ago
I agree with 003590510. The Z06 did let him go by, even though his foot was to the floor!
captaindan7140 10 months ago
The z06 let you go by.
003590510 1 year ago
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Marc99GT 1 year ago
I'll take the Caterham please.
quwers 2 years ago
That is a good question. I would imagine that it would be much more reliable than a 4 cylinder because each cylinder performs 1/2 the work. It is impressive to see a 4 cyl making 800 hp, but each cylinder making roughly 200 hp takes a pounding vs an 8 cyl. making 100 hp per cylinder.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
@Marc99GT
All though having more cylinders would normally be more reliable Subaru uses a boxer engine which are the most resilient type of motors. Normally when not being raced Subarus can reach 200k easily 300k is frequent and 400k and 500k not always unusual. When being raced with heavy mods and being abused 100k-200k is the range you get. And there is a Subaru STi that goes faster than the Bugatti Veyron with 1200hp and you can modify them to 1400 hp at fractions of the cost of a other cars.
Loscaldazar 10 months ago
@Loscaldazar I can't imagine the life expectancy being very long in an the STI engine at 1,200 hp regardless of what anyone says. The internals will be failry common in similar builds and those cylinders are still taking more of a pounding and there is no way around that. If that were not the case, guys making that much hp running 7 & 8 second cars would use them and that doesn't happen. Larger displacement and additional cylinder engines work less to produce the same power.
Marc99GT 10 months ago
No BS here buddy. V8s make tons of power on pump gas. V10s in vipers have made even more. Search for the 8 second pump gas Z06 pass on you tube. You guess how much power it would take to run 8s. Also the Lingenfelter TT Vette that went 226 mph in 1 mile made 1100 rwhp on 93 octane. That is also on You tube and at their site.
Type in Pump gas Z06 on here and see the 03 Z06 that made 904 rwhp on pump gas with a 427 and Procharger. I have owned a few V8s and making power on pump is easy.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
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2slofouru 2 years ago
The crawford guys aren't going to bs about the vette being "heavily" modded so I'm sure its not running just "tires and exhaust". I would guess more along the lines of cams, em tune, ported and polished heads, etc.
2slofouru 2 years ago
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2slofouru 2 years ago
Haha, you're the one discounting the boosted wrx as running "gimmicks" when its clearly outperforming the z06 which is also modded. I run a 2L 97 jdm ej20k with over 300 chp with my only mod being the 3" turbo back exhaust. I'm familiar with the retail cost of mods but guys on the subaru forums sell parts used for way less than retail when they change setups just like the chevy guys do. It might cost $15k to have a shop do it but some of us prefer DIY.
2slofouru 2 years ago
....and the z06 is modified as well? Maybe the z06 driver is just letting the subaru guy win because he feels pitty for the subie's tiny motor.
2slofouru 2 years ago
Domestic manufactures want power... they up the displacement. Import manufacturers want power... they improve powertrain technology. Its easy to make power with ridiculous displacement.
2slofouru 2 years ago
The interesting thing is, the larger displacement gets better gas mileage. There isn't another car on the planet that makes 505 hp and beats the gas guzzler tax like the Z06. I would rather have the raw power than gimmicks to simulate it. It's also easy to make power with Forced induction or a crap load of cams.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
So a 2.5L tubocharged 4 cylinder that has to drag an awd drivetrain blasts by a car with over 500 na hp and rwd and that's a gimmick? Wow, that's the kind of gimmick I like.
2slofouru 2 years ago
A modified car blasting past a stock car is not as impressive than if it were stock. A turbo will make a go cart fast. My 87 GN made over 500 rwhp with a good size turbo on a 17 year old V6. They are just air pumps and when you force it in, you are changing the game. You ever see what a turbo does on a 427 ci engine? try about 800+ rwhp on 93 octane. There are a few Z06s that make over 1,000 rwhp on 93 octane on you tube. Try that with a 2.5L and bring a broom and garbage bags when you do.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
I don't know if you realize this but those mods on the STI are over 15K for you to get before installed. I would be shocked if the Z06 had anything more than tires and maybe exhaust. I noticed the specific mods were not mentioned.
Marc99GT 2 years ago
I do admire the z06's supposed fuel economy. My friend just got an 03 and I'm curious as to how the car's going to last for him. He used to own a modified 06 subaru wrx, lol
2slofouru 2 years ago
subaru take all americane cars down always
AMIRB11S 2 years ago
Your not serious right? "ALL AMERICAN CARS?"
What have you been smoking junior?
jgtemplars 2 years ago
I'll take a vette over a Sti any time and any day.
turkeyshitting 2 years ago
Of course you would. The Corvette is a true sports car. The Sti is a 4 door dressed up Impreza.
jgtemplars 2 years ago
Dressed up Impreza? It's a dressed down champion rally car
radawsonco 2 years ago
Not anymore. Subaru pull the plug on their WRC entries.
Besides, Ford has been the dominate champion team.
jgtemplars 2 years ago
Yeah but Subaru still dominates X-games and rally races in the United States
radawsonco 2 years ago
My stage 2 07 STi with other suspensions mods is still far from being a WRC car.
Those WRC cars have over $100k in mods done to them. Thats the price for a dressed up Impreza.
jgtemplars 2 years ago
corvette is ok. sti is awsom. diferrent categories. cant compare.
acroracing 2 years ago
hay do yo people know is STI AWD is the same
as WRX AWD. the power split?
GTRnev8820 3 years ago
nope. its diff
Ej205scoob 3 years ago
What was that old Toyota pickup doing on the track? 22RE power for life!
Flaheat 3 years ago
God I'd love to be able to ride in that crawford car as a passenger! Wow, just wow :)
2slofouru 3 years ago
I think they're both awesome cars, especially modded. But for the real world, the Subaru is more practical AND fun. The Corvette is almost exclusively a track car. They also don't like speedbumps, curbs, potholes, bumps, gravel, rain, snow, or unflattened roadkill. Those things won't bother the Subaru.
Soob4ME 3 years ago
that won't bother a stock 300bhp soft understeer subaru. But it will kill this modified one. Instead of the adjustable suspension, there is just no way to keep a car hard on track and soft on road. I don't think the subaru can have that. By the way, z06 is not that stiff.
nicholasxuu 3 years ago 2
Amen brother, Amen.
jgtemplars 3 years ago
Good call. People who have no concept of money, taxes and paying bills in general would by a 250,000 dollar Ferrari. As for the rest of us, we can think of better things to do with 250,000 dollars. Buying a house or getting a better education would be a few goods ones. Not out pacing low horse power cars at a race track on weekends then bragging about it like it took extreme skill when it didn't. It was all the car.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
There are two reasons I continue to respond to the BIGGEST RICER ON YOUTUBE.
1) It pisses him off, and pissing off RICERS is fun.
2) He provides a running demonstration to the world that RICERS like him and absolute, complete dumbfucks. Ignorant retards incapable of completing a logical thought, much less make an actual rebuttle to any argument. RICE.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"1) It pisses him off, and pissing off RICERS is fun."
Actually I couldn't care less what a trust fund baby thinks. Every time you use the word ricer it showcases your racism for everyone here to read. You are owning yourself only you are too dumb to see it. I like how you post on videos of Corvette's LOSING and then argue there is no Corvette to be found in the video you just posted on. NOW THAT SHIT IS FUNNY LMAO!
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Actually I couldn't care less what a trust fund baby thinks"
Lie.
"Every time you use the word ricer it showcases your racism"
Lie.
"You are owning yourself"
Would be a lie if you wern't so dumb that you actually belive that.
"you post on videos of Corvette's LOSING and then argue there is no Corvette to be found in the video"
Lie. Base Corvette C5 video and liar constantly calls it a Z06 and says it costs $70k.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
1) Explain to me why I should care what a trust fund baby like you thinks?
2) Ricer is a racist word. You use it EVERY post. You are there for, a racist bigot.
3)Read #2 again. You are owning yourself because of your ignorance of the meaning of ricer and it's usage for starters.
4) You said 'there is no corvette in this video'. Clearly that 3rd generation Mazda RX-7 was racing a Corvette. It just so happens to be the model your daddy owns and you drive with his permission of course.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"You said 'there is no corvette in this video'"
This is either a lie or another example of your inability to read. I don't know which, but I never siad that. I said repeatedly there was no Z06 in that video because there wasn't and yet you kept saying there was.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
So the RX-7 in that other video was racing 'nothing'? It was a C5Z06 just like you said. It's the same model you drive. And it got it's ass kicked by a 1.3 turbo rotary. Is that about right?
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"It was a C5Z06 just like you said It's the same model you drive"
WRONG. Go back and watch it again. It is a 2004 Coupe. NOT a Z06. That car weighs about 150 lbs more than my car, is down about 50hp from my car and has poorer gearing than my car. BIG difference. You try to argue about these cars and you don't even know the basics about them. Another ricer trait of yours.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Nope, you are wrong. It's just a even sucker version of the Corvette you drive. It's still badged as a Corvette thought you racist trust fund baby. Another domestic loving trait of yours, you just can't accept a Corvette losing to a import.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Nope, you are wrong. It's just a even sucker version of the Corvette you drive"
And this is how a ricer admits he was wrong that that the corvette in that video was not a Z06 like he repeated over and over, but a base Corvette coupe like I had to correct him over and over.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Can hear that V8 over everything else lol
Seikeii 4 years ago
Its funny the little 4cyl beating on the vette!
68chargerlover 3 years ago
The Z06 is 3,150 lbs. respectfully. The Impreza is not that much different, The Z06 has a VERY sloppy Gear box, I had a chance to drive one at my dealership they are actually really crappy cars in less you are on a 200 Mile drag.
VigilanteJustin 4 years ago
The z06 is not maxed out from the factory. I can guarentee you give it to somebody who knows suspension tuning and it'll be very much an improved car. The Crawford STi is nothing short of fast, no doubts. But a well tuned lighter more power car should be a stock z06 with just an exhaust and road racing tires.
apx632 4 years ago
the best mod's for road course are stiff sticky tires wider wheel's big brake kit, Monotube inverted suspension. and most important the driver.
idk whats offered in the after market world for a Z06. I think there pretty much maxed out from the factory. Like a Honda S2k. little improvments can be made. I'm a car guy i love all car's but prefer my STI.
500whp + AWD= :) I have set a goal of 600whp :) maybe next winter.
Subaru4life 4 years ago
"idk whats offered in the after market world for a Z06. I think there pretty much maxed out from the factory"
Search for "katech" and "lingenfelter z06." There is a lot in the aftermarket and can be made a lot faster than stock. Search for "katech sebring" and watch the three videos there. VERY fast car. Sure, it's not as easy the turn up the speed as a turbo car, but make no mistake, untill you are dominating the Speed World Challenge, you have not surpassed all Z06s.
01Z06guy 4 years ago
"Sure, it's not as easy the turn up the speed as a turbo car, but make no mistake, untill you are dominating the Speed World Challenge, you have not surpassed all Z06s."
The Crawford STi owned the Corvette in this video and all you can do is talk about 'other' Corvettes? Just pretend this video doesn't exist. You want your daddy's vette to go faster? You better pay someone to pull it's engine and totally re-tuned the engine for any kind of turbine kit. I bet you can't even do a oil change.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"You better pay someone to pull it's engine and totally re-tuned the engine for any kind of turbine kit."
Completely unnecessary. Installing a turbo would be retarded. I can have all the power I could ever use N/A. Which is a much perfered method for road racing.
"I bet you can't even do a oil change."
Is this how you bacame a dirt poor, trailer park ricer? By making a bunch of foolish bets?
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"Completely unnecessary. Installing a turbo would be retarded. I can have all the power I could ever use N/A."
Is that so? So if you took on a clone of your daddy's car but it was turbo or super charged you'd still have 'all the power you need'?
"Which is a much perfered method for road racing."
Better tell that to people who race champ cars.
"Is this how you bacame a dirt poor, trailer park ricer? By making a bunch of foolish bets?"
Thanks for showing everyone you hate the poor. Great job!
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Is that so?"
Yes. Learn to read. I said I CAN have all the power I could ever use N/A. And yes, if I had a 800hp N/A Z06, I would be able to take on any turbo or supercharger identical Z06 on the track.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"I said I CAN have all the power I could ever use N/A. And yes, if I had a 800hp N/A Z06, I would be able to take on any turbo or supercharger identical Z06 on the track."
This is funny. It's funny because we are talking about you driving ANY car LOL! Your cornering work is a fucking joke. You miss almost every apex. Your turn in is either too late or way too early. Don't know know how to heel-toe down shift. You brake too early. Your driving is fucking pathetic, because you rely on power.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
I have the fastest lap on youtube for two different tracks. You...... brag about "keeping up" street racing civics. Needless to say, you trying to pick on my driving is quite hilarious.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
You are totally correct. Your driving is quite hilarious. I've never seen a perfect example of the complete opposite of smooth in my life. I wonder if a Honda Civic has ever spanked a cheesy Corvette? I would think so. You'd learn more driving your Toyota by not relying on power. I don't expect a moron to understand this concept though. You are so pathetic you you need four or five times the amount of displacement to win. Just because you posted you have the fast lap doesn't mean you are.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Thanks for showing everyone you hate the poor"
I hate you, and you are poor. But the reason I hate you is not that you are poor. You FAIL at logic once again.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
No you hate me because you are a fascists and I'm right. You mean I'm not logical because I said the STi that PASSED that fart bag Corvette? I thought it was obvious about half way through the video. Assholes like you who use the word ricer are bigots. You are a racist, redneck, brainless, dickless, hopeless sack of monkey shit and your car is every bit as cheesy and slow as the one in this video getting raped by the Crowford STi.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Needless to say, you trying to pick on my driving is quite hilarious." -me
"You are totally correct. Your driving is quite hilarious" -Retard.
Do you think anybody falls for your completely braindead attempts at arguments? You do know that you are the only one incapable of understanded simple sentances, don't you?
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Not really trust fund baby. Watching you drive is damaging enough. I'm just pointing out how much you suck at it. It's also the best comedy I've seen in years. ^_^
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Assholes like you who use the word ricer are bigots. You are a racist, redneck, brainless, dickless, hopeless sack of monkey shit"
Haha!!!! I knew for a fact that I wasn't the first person to identify you as a RICER. Clearly, it happens all the time and you are quite butthurt about it. There is something you can do about it, cease being a RICER! Hell, you could start out by simply stop being the BIGGEST RICER ON YOUTUBE by realizing you get owned all over youtube and STFU.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"Haha!!!! I knew for a fact that I wasn't the first person to identify you as a RICER."
Yeah? And? I said 'people' that would include you along with a lot more 'people' you dumb ass. They only reason you call people ricer is clearly because they prefer Japanese sports cars over poorly constructed and cheesy American sports cars. Just like Coldrainynights said before, you are the dumbest Z06fanboy youtube. I only getting owned here is you you cross burning racist redneck.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
I own an STI thats modded and I own a 68 charger thats really modded. The STI is an amazing car for what it was built for and the vette is also,I've seen vettes with R compound tires beating modded STIs around the cones on courses,but in the same token you dont see vettes compete in rally,both are great!
68chargerlover 3 years ago
I just think your an idiot if you think you have the fastest car on the road and you cant be beat,I've beaten vettes and lost to vettes,theres alota variables that make a fast car.I respect both cars because they are fun cars.Its just fun beating the pants off arrogant people who think they cant be beat.
68chargerlover 3 years ago
I really doubt my '86 or FC are the 'fastest cars' on the road. I think Corvettes are really cheesy. Pretty much everything GM makes is cheap crap. I think you have to be a complete prick to drive one too. Just look at Z06gimp, he's a racist asshole, it seems like a ownership requirement. There is at least one thing trust fund baby can't by; technique. I learned all my game in under powered cars. When I switch to the FD I'll be a even better driver than if started in the FD.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"I think Corvettes are really cheesy. Pretty much everything GM makes is cheap crap. I think you have to be a complete prick to drive one too"
Hater.
"he's a racist asshole"
Lie.
"doesn't understand is that some people actually enjoy upgrading their cars"
Lie. All my cars are "upgraded."
"Z06moron would upgrade on any car would be the engine?"
Wrong. Already have a bunch of mods. Engine is stock.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"Hater."
I have every right to hate on GM pathetically built vehicles.
"Lie."
The word ricer is a racist word. You use it when referring to others, ergo, you are racist.
"All my cars are "upgraded."
Then why do you cry like a trust fund baby when someone modifies a Japanese car? The Z06 in this video is slower than the Crawford STi. It's a fact.
"Wrong. Already have a bunch of mods. Engine is stock."
For someone who talks a lot about power, I find this very hard to believe.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"I have every right to hate on GM"
That's because you are a ricer. Ricers are jealous and hatefull towards any American car that is superior to theirs. And my GM American car is superior to yours.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
How exactly is the Corvette in this video 'superior' to the STi when the GM joke is slower? You need a reality check. If you think your Papa's Corvette is faster than all non American cars you are bat shit crazy.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"How exactly is the Corvette in this video 'superior' to the STi"
It may not be, I don't know. Neither of us really know anything about the cars. We don't even know the Crawford car is faster. The difference could be completely in the driving. The point is Crawford built a great car and they turn fast laps. So they are faster than some random Z06. So what? Are they faster than ALL Z06's? Absolutely not. So how does that make the STi superior to the Z06? It doesn't.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"You need a reality check"
IRONY!!!!!
"If you think your Papa's Corvette is faster than all non American cars you are bat shit crazy."
1) My Dad does not own a Corvette.
2) I never said that.
3) You are a ricer.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"The word ricer is a racist word"
No it's not. It applies to people like you no matter what race you are. Race has nothing to do with it. It refers to a person's attitude, beliefs, and behaviors. You are rice on all accounts.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"The Z06 in this video is slower than the Crawford STi"
So? The problem is ricers like you take that and say STi's are faster/better than Z06's. All a race between modded cars tells you is that car with it's mods and it's driver was quicker than the other car with it's mods and it's driver on that day. It doesn't change the fact that the Z06 is FAR faster stock, far faster as a full on race car, and with equal mods and drivers will usually be far faster.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"So? The problem is ricers like you take that and say STi's are faster/better than Z06's"
Well this STi is faster than the Corvette in this video. Race tracks with long straight aways play to a Corvette's strength; driving in a straight line. Very boring. Tracks with a lot S-curves, R-curves and hairpins play to a STi's strengths, accelerating out of corners. Your argument is only valid on a track that allows the car with the highest top speed to win. The Z06 is a one trick pony.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Your argument is only valid on a track that allows the car with the highest top speed to win. The Z06 is a one trick pony"
Obviously wrong. Perhaps you missed these times?
Vairano Handling Course
Z06= 1:19.5
STi= 1:22.390
Tsukuba
Z06= 1:04.55
STi= 1:10.21
I guess every track on the planet has straightaways that are too long?
01Z06guy 3 years ago
LMAO! What more of your Gran Turismo lap times? You expect me to buy that? LOL! You think a Z06 would be at home on a Rally style track? Obviously you are wrong. A Z06 will never have AWD traction no matter how powerful it is, remember that detail you retard?
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"What more of your Gran Turismo lap times?"
As previously mentioned, the ricer simply denys the facts when they are presented. Once again, all these lap times and their sources can be found at fastestlaps(dot)com. It's time to stop denying the facts.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
One of my arguments trust fund baby doesn't like is the one on price. Why bother spending 70,000 dollars on a C6Z06 when you can buy and modify a STi that will kill a stock C6Z06? Another concept that moron doesn't understand is that some people actually enjoy upgrading their cars. Change the footwork on a car and you change everything. How much do you want to bet the first thing Z06moron would upgrade on any car would be the engine? As for me, power is nothing without control, suspension first.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"As for me, power is nothing without control"
Well you have niether so don't worry about it.
"suspension first"
Wrong. Driver education and track training first. If you are not on the track, you don't need any mods since you are not even in the game.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"Well you have niether so don't worry about it."
And exactly many times have you driven my AE86 or FC3S? Zero is it? Nice try trust fund baby.
"Wrong. Driver education and track training first. If you are not on the track, you don't need any mods since you are not even in the game."
That would almost be relevant if the only placed I raced were at a track. Sorry you asshole, but mountain passes are a lot more challenging than any track on earth. Why? Where you deal with feet, I deal in inches.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"mountain passes are a lot more challenging than any track on earth. Why? Where you deal with feet, I deal in inches"
Is this a quote from Fast and Furious; Tokyo Drift? It sounds like it could be but of course I have never watched the movie. Saying things like that is one of the things that make you a ricer. And for the record, you have bragged about being able to keep up with civics on while endangering the lives of innocent people, so you're not fast.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
I'm simply stating a fact. The price you pay for understeer on a race track is a ride through some kitty litter. The price for understeer on a narrow mountain pass is usually death in the form of a flaming wreck at the bottom of said mountain. Any questions? Where are these 'innocent people' you are talking about at 2am? Sleeping you dumb ass.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"The price you pay for understeer on a race track is a ride through some kitty litter. The price for understeer on a narrow mountain pass is usually death in the form of a flaming wreck at the bottom of said mountain."
Which is exactly why those of us on the track are pushing the limit of our car's ability much more than ricers street racing like you. We can test the limits and drive at the edge without the change of dying.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"Where are these 'innocent people' you are talking about at 2am? Sleeping"
Most of them. But not all of them. You don't own the road and you have no right to put the safety of innocent people at risk. Participate on amatuer rallys if you're too lame to go to the track where you would have to compete with fast cars and compare your pitiful lap times with real cars.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
I think trying to race on a steep, narrow, winding mountain pass road at night without at least upgrading a car's suspension, chassis, tires and fine tuning a car's footwork angles would be your dumb ass mistake, not mine. I don't play your track game you prick. You'd crash and burn playing mine. I've already explained why passes take more refined technique than your little weekends at race tracks, especially going downhill. Experience has been my teacher. For example, can you drift? I can.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Why bother spending 70,000 dollars on a C6Z06 when you can buy and modify a STi that will kill a stock C6Z06?"
Why bother spending 35,000 dollars on a STi when you can buy and modify (or not modify) a C5Z06 that will kill an STi? That's why you can't compare modded cars to stock cars RICER. Everybody seems to understand that sooner or later except the true retards like akinadownhillrice. Unfortunately he has proven over and over that he can not understand the most basic logic.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
The question is, prick, which is less expensive, the STi or your daddy's C5Z06? I'll guess the STi. I'll compare modified cars and stock cars when ever the fuck I feel like it you chimp. Why? Because a new C6Z06 cost 70,000 dollars. A new WRX STi (the one that embarrasses the Ford GT 500) is around 36,000 dollars stock. How much would it cost to modify a STi to murder a C6Z06? Around 10,000 dollars or 46,000 dollars total. The price gap? 24,000 dollars. That's why Corvettes are lame you moron.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"which is less expensive, the STi or your C5Z06? I'll guess the STi"
Well, you guess wrong as usual. As I have said many times, I paid $20,000 for my car and C5Z06s only cost about $25,000 on average these days.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Why is it a used STi goes for about 5,000 dollars less than a used C5Z06? Because Corvette's suck that's why. If you want to talk 'new car' price comparisons, Vettes get embarrassed for costing so much. What's your excuse for a 'super car' that gets beat by a modified import that cost less than half? Still going to make the 'I'm faster stock' argument after you've lost? Just look what the 2008 Subaru WRX STi did to the 2007 Ford Shelby GT500 STOCK. BEAT. IT'S. ASS. Now that's the power of RICE.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Why is it a used STi goes for about 5,000 dollars less than a used C5Z06? Because Corvette's suck that's why"
Read your own quote carefully. It's worth more because it sucks? That makes no sense what-so-ever.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"If you want to talk 'new car' price comparisons, Vettes get embarrassed for costing so much"
Actually Corvettes, both the Coupe and Z06 are univerally known for providing the best performance bargin in the world. It's why the Covette is one the R+T's 10 best cars every year. If you want to talk new car prices, you can't compare to the Z06 that blows the STi out of the water. Compare the Z51 that beats the STi and sells for $42,000.
n'ring
C6 Coupe= 7:59
STi= 8:42
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"If you want to talk new car prices, you can't compare to the Z06 that blows the STi out of the water."
LOL! How's that? Let's review shall we? Cost of new C6Z06? 70,000 stock. Cost of new STi new? 36,000 dollars. How how much would I have to spend to modify the Impreza to crush the Corvette? A lot less than 70,000 dollars you shit for brains! LOL! You are so fucking DUMB! I'm dying of laughter!
"n'ring
C6 Coupe= 7:59
STi= 8:42"
Are these your Gran Turismo times? You are retarded. LOL!
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"you can't compare to the Z06 that blows the STi out of the water" -me
"LOL! How's that? Let's review shall we?"
-ricer
Okay, here comes the lap times proving the Z06 blows the STi out of the water.
Top Gear Track
Z06=1:22.4
STi=1:30.1
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Nordschleife
Z06= 7:42.9
STi= 8:24
Tsukuba
Z06= 1:04.55
STi= 1:10.21
GingerMan Raceway
Z06= 1:32.75
STi=1:39.15
01Z06guy 3 years ago
You are a big Gran Turismo fan, we get it, seriously. LOL!
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
Hockenheim Short
Z06= 1:11.5
STi= 1:17.8
Vairano Handling Course
Z06= 1:19.5
STi= 1:22.390
Oschersleben
Z06= 1:40.3
STi= 1:48.98
01Z06guy 3 years ago
More video game lap times. Video games aren't real you dumb ass.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
Top Gear Track
Z06=1:22.4
STi=1:30.1
Let me guess, good of fashion redneck drag racing huh? Yeah, the 1970's called you. They want their muscle car era of judging a sports car back.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Top Gear Track
Z06=1:22.4
STi=1:30.1
Let me guess, good of fashion redneck drag racing huh?"
You think the Top Gear Track is a drag strip? Hmmmm..... you would think someone who spends as much time on youtube as you would know what the show "Top Gear" is and that they have a test track. Or you could finally go to fastestlaps(dot)com and see what the Top Gear test track looks like for yourself.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"n'ring
C6 Coupe= 7:59
STi= 8:42"
Are these your Gran Turismo times?"
No, they are the officially posted times for the cars. You can see the times and the sources for yourself at fastestlaps(dot)com. But you have demonstrated another feature of the ricer; denying all facts when they are presented.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"What's your excuse for a 'super car' that gets beat by a modified import that cost less than half?"
Any modified car should be able to beat a stock car. There are many downsides to cheap cars with a lot of mods. That's why you can't fairly compare them to stock cars. That's the same thing as me asking you, "What's your excuse for a 'rally car' that gets beat by a modified 1987 Mustang that costs less that half?" But I don't ask such things because I'm not a ricer.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Typical excuses. I bet the guy driving the Corvette in this video had the same cry baby excuses after getting over taken.
""What's your excuse for a 'rally car' that gets beat by a modified 1987 Mustang that costs less that half?"
So now you think a 1987 Mustang can beat a STi on a track or 'Rally'? I noticed you didn't answer my question. I figure you wouldn't. How would you explain why a Corvette cost that much new? You can't, it's that simple.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"So now you think a 1987 Mustang can beat a STi on a track"
Absolutely. There is no question about it, a modified 1987 Mustang is capable of destroying a stock STi on the track for about 1/3 the price of a STi. Just as a modded STi can beat a stock Z06 for less money. Duh, I thought even a ricer like you would know that.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Some how I doubt a 1987 Mustang can corner as well as a STi. STi's can out corner everything from your lame ass Corvette's, to Ferrari's, Lamborghini's ect ect. And that's will less power. What you have failed to explain over and over again is how is a C6Z07 worth buying for 70,000 dollars if all it takes is modifying a a import like a STi to win? Keep in mind, all I care about is winning for less cash.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"I doubt a 1987 Mustang can corner as well as a STi"
If you are following this correctly, that would be a modified 1987 Mustang vs a stock STi. And a full suspension, race slick fox body will EASILY out corner a stock STi. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"how is a C6Z07 worth buying for 70,000 dollars if all it takes is modifying a a import like a STi to win? Keep in mind, all I care about is winning for less cash"
If all you care about is winning for less cash, then the C6Z06 is not for you. But there are people who care about more things than "winning for less cash." Ricers do not understand this, of course. Of course, if "winning for less cash" is all you care about, there are plenty of cars better than the STi.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Spoken like a true fundamentalist. Why? Because some prick driving a Ferrari is saying the same thing about guys like you who drive Corvettes because they aren't 'expensive enough'. I've decided to get a FD3S RX-7. AWD and FR's both have their strengths and weaknesses of course. But one thing I wouldn't be able to do with a AWD is a skill I've been practicing since the late 90's; drifting. Done correctly, at the right time and place, at the limit four wheel drift is faster than grip.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"some prick driving a Ferrari is saying the same thing about guys like you who drive Corvettes because they aren't 'expensive enough"
Sort of. You know what the difference is? I'm not a ricer. I say, "yup, your Ferrari is faster than my Z06 and it's a whole lot sweeter. Props to you for buying it. I wish I could afford one too," instead of denying the fact that it's faster and saying my Corvette is better because it would be faster with $200k in mods.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
I just don't see how spending 70,000 dollars on a car that can't beat a cheaper modified one is a good idea. How do you think someone would feel if they spend 250,000 on a Ferrari only get schooled by a way cheaper modified car? I would have to be out of my damn mind to spend 250,000 on any car. If I had that much money I'd still buy a FD. There is only so much power you can give a car before it becomes impractical. I want balance.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"I just don't see how spending 70,000 dollars on a car that can't beat a cheaper modified one is a good idea"
Then you need to open your mind to the greater world that is around you. Not everyone is just like you. 70k is cheap to some people so why would they buy an STi that is slower and has less potential than the Z06? The Z06 is faster, lighter, lower, can handle bigger tires, and can make HUGE power n/a. No PITA, uneven power distributing turbo.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
STi is far more practical. It can be bought and modified to take a stock Z06 down. A few things a Corvette will never be able to do is Rally off road, seat five people or beat a modified STi that only cost 46,000. Of course the Corvette can be modified to beat a STi but it's difficult to go super charging or turbo charging a engine that's build for natural aspiration. The days of turbo lag are gone. Look at the FD, it's got sequential turbos to eliminate it and that was back in 1993.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"STi is far more practical"
Civic is far more practical.
"It can be bought and modified to take a stock Z06 down"
Civic can be bought and modified to take a stock STi down.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"A few things a Corvette will never be able to do is Rally off road, seat five people or beat a modified STi that only cost 46,000"
A few thing a STi will never be able to do is get good gas mileage, do burn outs, or beat a modified civic that only cost 22,000.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"A few thing a STi will never be able to do is get good gas mileage, do burn outs, or beat a modified civic that only cost 22,000."
I would hope anyone who buys a AWD has enough sense to know it can't burn out or drift on tarmac. Well many with a computer that allows a person to control how much power is going to which set of wheels. I doubt anyone who spends thousands of dollars on various modification would care about gas mileage.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"I would hope anyone who buys a AWD has enough sense to know it can't burn out or drift on tarmac...I doubt anyone who spends thousands of dollars on various modification would care about gas mileage."
I would hope anyone who buys a sports car has enough sense to know it can't hold five people or go off roading. I doubt anyone who spends $70k on a Z06 would care about practicality.
See the point yet?
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Then why are you bring up maintenance costs of a STi? Then you gotta ask yourself how would you feel after spending 70,000 dollars on a car than can't keep up with the Subaru in this video?
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"See the point yet?" -me
"Then why are you bring up maintenance costs of a STi?" -akinadownhillrice
Clearly the answer to my question is "no." Dude, WTF are you talking about maintenance costs? Will you get a damn clue already?
"you gotta ask yourself how would you feel after spending 70,000 dollars on a car than can't keep up with the Subaru in this video?"
Great! You still spank the bajuses out of 99.9% of STi's and every one you will ever meet.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"Clearly the answer to my question is "no." Dude, WTF are you talking about maintenance costs? Will you get a damn clue already?"
So if I spent thousands on a turbine kit you think I'd care about buying premium gas more often? Why don't you buy a clue already? You do have a Corvette you ought to have more than enough money.
"Great! You still spank the bajuses out of 99.9% of STi's and every one you will ever meet."
Until you run into a 36K WRX that only took 10K dollars to beat a 70K Z06.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"So if I spent thousands on a turbine kit you think I'd care about buying premium gas more often?"
Holly crap! There you go again throwing out completely unrelated, compretely retarded nonsense! YOUR COMMENT HAS NO RELATION TO ANY OTHER COMMENT. YOU ARE F'ED IN THE HEAD SO JUST STFU!
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Why can't you just answer my question? Why do you have to go off ranting again?
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Until you run into a 36K WRX that only took 10K dollars"
OOPS! There you go again. How many times do I have to go over to Crawford's website and remind you how much just the engine alone costs in this car? That's not even getting into the idiocy of comparing a highly modded car to a stock one AGAIN. As we have already been over and over.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
It doesn't take the amount of money Crawford's spent on their STi to beat a Z06. On that note the description of this video reads;
"Dr. Russ Warr driving the Crawford Time Attack Subaru takes on a heavily modified Corvette Z06"
How exactly did you miss that? It says as plain as day the Corvette Z06 in this video isn't stock but 'heavily modified'. So you are wrong, the Corvette in this video is anything but 'stock'. Fact is money goes a lot further towards performance with a WRX.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago 2
I don't quite understand the description of the Corvette Z06 as being "Heavily Modified" A re-flashed ECU, upgraded suspension?(That could mean anything from a full race set up or just tires and shocks) And a so called full race exhaust? Should not Vette's exhaust be screaming loud? I am kind of skeptical. Looks like a promotional video to me. Sure the Crawford's "Time Attack" Subaru is an awesome car, but its far from being cheap. Say some dollar amount north of 70k.
jgtemplars 3 years ago
You don't need to mod the STi heavily to spank a plastic pig. It's simply reality.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
Brother don't be a hater. Those so called "plastic pigs" have ran with the worlds best at the 24 hour of Le Mans with great success. When was the last time Subaru won the WRC? In fact they are pulling out of WRC. Maybe they just got tired being beat by Fords.
jgtemplars 3 years ago
A ford beat a STi? Not likely. I do believe the 2008 STi beat the 2007 Ford GT-500. All while having a hood scoop that actually works. As for the plastic pig...eh... Leaf springs. Like a horse cart. Enough said.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
Come on bro, Subaru did not even finish in the top 4 of the 2008 WRC. And I am sorry to blow your bubble, but it was a Ford Focus that was one of the cars that laid the smack down on the Soobies. Yep composite leaf spring, a very old design indeed. But hey they work. When is the last time a Subaru took on the worlds best and won?
jgtemplars 3 years ago
Yet, when people think WRC, they usually think of LanEvo's or STi's. Why is that?
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
When people think of WRC, they think of "Lancia" and the "11" WRC they won. Subaru has only won 3. Mitsubishi with only one. Ford has more WRC wins then both Subaru and Mitsubishi combined with 5. bro do you even own one of these cars?
jgtemplars 3 years ago 2
No, akinadownhillrice owns a 1983 Toyota Carolla. Serious. He is a total ricer.
01Z06guy 2 years ago
Pulling out? Please, they ARE ALREADY OUT!!!
turkeyshitting 2 years ago
Dude, that had zero to do with how their cars performed in WRC. It's economics and global recession. Fuji Heavy Industries actually knows how to turn a profit. If they ran their company like a bunch of idiots like Ford (or all of Detroit for that matter) has, they wouldn't have the luxury of being bailed out like a bunch of babies by the Japanese taxpayers. They'd go bankrupt which is exactly what should happen with Ford and GM.
muttonbuster 2 years ago
which is probably still cheaper then the plastic pig vette.
rhettdec 3 years ago
Maybe so, but do you really want a STi in the first place?
jgtemplars 3 years ago
"Of course the Corvette can be modified to beat a STi but it's difficult to go super charging or turbo charging a engine that's build for natural aspiration"
And completely unnecisarry. Plenty of power can be made N/A. You don't HAVE to have FI if you don't want it. You have a choice.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"How do you think someone would feel if they spend 250,000 on a Ferrari only get schooled by a way cheaper modified car?"
They would think, "damn that's a fast car. Maybe I'll go buy one and mod it for fun. No need to sell this sweet Ferrari, of course. It's still an f'ing sweet Ferrari that is fast and provides enjoyment. If I modded my Ferrari, it would kick that car's azz. But why ruin such a sweet car?"
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Until you have to buy parts for the Ferrari. I hear the new FR Ferrari's clutch plate is modeled after the Formula 1 car and cost 20,000 dollars. There is only so much power any car can handle. Modifying a powerful car like a Ferrari for even more power MIGHT ruin it's balance. I wouldn't want it so fast the suspension can't catch up. That would be deadly.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"There is only so much power any car can handle. Modifying a powerful car like a Ferrari for even more power MIGHT ruin it's balance. I wouldn't want it so fast the suspension can't catch up. That would be deadly"
So you think Japanese cars with < 300hp can handle more power than Ferrari's that start with 500hp or more? The answer is no. Mod for mod, the Ferrari will always be faster on the track.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"I would have to be out of my damn mind to spend 250,000 on any car. If I had that much money I'd still buy a FD"
Yeah right. If you had $100,000,000 and you wouldn't buy a Ferrari because it's a waste of money, only THEN would you be out of your damn mind.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"Just look what the 2008 Subaru WRX STi did to the 2007 Ford Shelby GT500"
Who cares? Different cars with different purposes. Why do you have to change cars? That's like me saying, "Just look what the 2008 Chevy Corvette did to the 2007 Honda S2000." But I don't say that, because I'm not a ricer.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
It matters for a few reasons. The STi's engine has a fraction of the displacement of the GT500. Yet, the STi is still faster. The Corvette in this video is another car with more displacement than the STi in this video. Yet, all it took were simple modifications to crush the Corvette in this video. It did all of this all while costing a fraction. Do you think your daddy's C5Z06 could even KEEP up with the Crawford STi? I dare you to answer that question you racist fart bag.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"all it took were simple modifications to crush the Corvette in this video. It did all of this all while costing a fraction"
The ignorance is flowing here. A quick trip over to Crawford's website will tell you that at a MINIMUM the engine package costs $22,000. That's just for the added power, nothing for suspension or brakes. And it has a fully built motor and is Crawford's time attack car. That's not "simple modifications." It's a well tuned, track prepped car by professionals.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Then perhaps you could explain why Coldrainynights' EVO could keep up with a cheesy Corvette so easily? The STi and EVO are old rivals and are very similar in how they are set up. Assuming a stock STi cost around 36,000 the Crawford STi still only cost about 58,000 dollars after modifications. That's 12,000 less than a C6Z06. The fact is the Z06 isn't fast enough stock to warrant costing that much. The only thing more wasteful with cash would be a Ferrari.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"perhaps you could explain why Coldrainynights' EVO could keep up with a cheesy Corvette so easily?"
Coldrainynights has no videos and never even told a story about racing a Corvette so I don't know WTF you are talking about. Truth is, you don't either.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
You are making me quote myself again because you are a retard. I said 'could KEEP UP with a cheesy Corvette so easily'. It was quite apparent he could have overtaken that Corvette anytime he want. Besides being slower than his EVO, he's a much better driver than whoever was driving that Corvette.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Coldrainynights' EVO could keep up with a cheesy Corvette so easily?" -ricer
You are making me quote you AGAIN because you are a retard. Read what you wrote: COLDRAINYNIGHTS. He is an EVO owner but he has no videos so WTF are you talking about "keeping up with a Corvette?" Look him up yourself. He has no videos!
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"Crawford STi still only cost about 58,000 dollars after modifications"
Nope. That's after engine mods only. This video is their Time Attack car. Do you think it's on stock tires, suspension, and brakes?
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"Z06 isn't fast enough stock to warrant costing that much"
Until the GTR, it was the fastest car for the money by a LONG shot. You are still missing the point. The Z06 is fast with a full warrantee, California emissions, a drive train that lasts well over 100k miles, runflat tires, etc. Try getting that STi inspected in California or repaired under warrantee, they will just laugh at you. You can't put a price on that stuff. And that's why you can't compare the price of modded vs stock.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
I'm glad I don't live in California anymore then. I don't have to worry about emissions where I live now. Aside from that, FD's don't need catalytic converts. I am of course talking about racing here. Who said anything about emissions, warranties and California state laws? Believe it or not, I hate GTR's more than Corvettes. Being fast with a GTR isn't skill, it's all the car. At least the Corvette is lighter and FR. Nothing would make me feel better than crushing a GTR in my future FD.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"Who said anything about emissions, warranties and California state laws?"
Hello? Do you still not get it? You asked why a stock C6Z06 costs more than a modded STi. THAT'S why. Because there is more to the price of a car than what it can do on the track and those are a few advantages a stock Z06 has over a modded STi.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
All I care about is winning. The means to that end are irrelevant to me so long as I'm not relying on electronic training wheels like ABS, traction control or the ATESSA system. If If can win on pure skill, fantastic. If not, upgrades to the suspension, brakes, tires, engine, transmission and differential wouldn't bother me at all.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"All I care about is winning. The means to that end are irrelevant to me so long as I'm not relying on electronic training wheels like ABS, traction control or the ATESSA system"
Those are contradictory statements. But this is not about what YOU care about anyway. You know the evo has a computer controling the front/rear distribution of power, don't you? You don't seem to mind that. And by your own rules, modded to hell Fox bodies and C4 vettes would outperform the FD for the money.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
Yeah but you can get that turned off. The 2008 STi has a console just for that purpose alone. Imagine what can be done at a specialty shop? The first thing that would have to go on my STi would be ALL training wheels. I don't like the idea of a computer doing part of the driving. Why not simply get better at driving instead of relying on technology?
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"The first thing that would have to go on my STi would be ALL training wheels. I don't like the idea of a computer doing part of the driving. Why not simply get better at driving instead of relying on technology?"
Because the computer's torque splitting is making the car corner better than is possible without it no matter who is driving. That's why the GTR is fast, it's doing things no driver can do.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"I hate GTR's more than Corvettes. Being fast with a GTR isn't skill, it's all the car"
That's true to a degree. But it's no reason to hate the car. So it's not for you. Fantastic. That's no reason to be a hater.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
You hate the AE86. I doubt you've ever driven one. But to me that car is a good piece of training equipment. It doesn't any of that electronic garbage to retard a drivers skill development. It doesn't have a lot of power so the driver has to learn not only how much brake pressure can be added before the tires lock up but also HOW MUCH braking to use. Too little you understeer. Too much you lose too much momentum you can't get back with only 150bhp. That car trains the driver.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"You hate the AE86"
Wrong. I hate ricers who put it on a pedestal like it's some great car when the truth is it's pretty much just like a Pinto, Capri MKI, or BMW 130i. The only reason it has any notority at all is that it's just about the only Japanese RWD compact so that's one of the cars they used for racing and drifting. If the Capri was Japanese, "Drifters" would be driving that instead.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
"Nothing would make me feel better than crushing a GTR in my future FD"
Well it's probably not going to happen. That thing is a beast. I can't wait to have my shot at one on the track too. But if I take one, it will be because of a slow driver, there is no denying it's capabilities anymore. It's not for me either. The computer does a lot of the balance work, there is no clutch, and it costs $70k. But I'm not going to deny the facts or talk crap about it.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
The GTR's all have the same weakness. The body weight, the new GTR is a VERY heavy car. It's going to wear it's tires and brakes before a lighter car will. It can't enter corners as fast as a FD can. The key for the GTR is it's exit and the key for the FD is the entrance of a corner. I don't understand how anyone can like not having total control over a car. Yeah the GTR is very fast but that doesn't mean I have to like how it achieves it.
akinadownhillace 3 years ago
"It's going to wear it's tires and brakes before a lighter car will"
That is true. But it's still faster. Nobody said going fast in a stock, comfortable, daily drivable car was going to be cheap.
01Z06guy 3 years ago
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