So because he can cuss, act macho, hold his head down and cry, then tell a chick to suck his dick, he's the best actor? Give me a break. I wish I could be in hollywood because I would blow all these fakes out of the water.
@russcottt I would like to know how you can watch a clip like this and not think this man is truly an amazing actor. I'm just curious, what's you're idea of a great actor?
is there anyone in hollywood that doesn't try to make our military look like villains? hollywood filmmakers' notion of heroism is to make 'harrowing' movies like this, althewhile jealous of the real heroism our soldiers embody, so what do they do about it? plattoon, full metal jacket, apocolypse now, etc where whitey looks bad and the minorities look saintly. that's what they do about it.
those movies you mention... they talk about the horrors of war and how it changes people. we do terrible things when the circumstances allow us to do so.
at first, a soldier may kill for a reason, but if he do it long enough, he wont remenber the reason at all...
I agree with your general point, but the Vietnam films that you list were all part of the genre that depicted the chaos of 'Nam. If you want to see heroism just pick up any WWII film. However, in my opinion, some of those films put our (white) soldiers in such a heroic light that we forget our allies (and minorities) played a role, too. Hamburger Hill is your best bet for a somewhat balanced film - and check out the book.
para mi si es el mejor actor q existe hoy en dia........ y tambien es un muy buen director
la mayoria de las peliculas en las que ha participado tienen una exelente trama y hablan de temas sociales, conflictivos, y eso contribuye muchisimo para que se haya perfilado como un gran actor por ejemplo: I am SAM, MISTIC DRIVER or DEAD MAn.....
Jeff Bridges, Al Pacino, Robert Deniro, Will Smith, Anthony Hopkins, Christopher Plummer, Matt Damon, and Jodie Foster would be my additions to that list. I agree entirely with the aforementioned minus Leo (I don't care for him much).
Leo can of grows on you, if you haven't you should see Catch me if you can, its on of the few roles that he could handle. Its hard to watch him play adult roles because he looks like he is 18 years old. Damon is becoming the most versatile among his generation, he is definetly the 5th spot. The list I made where just consisting of actors under 60, if not I would have had O'Toole, and Jack. Will doesn't do much to spread his wings, he seems content with less demanding blockbusters.
Catch Me If You Can is also one of those great movies where the casting was just prime and the story excellent - not to mention it's two great actors I left out, Hanks and Walken. But Leo is just that, tolerable. I like him in the role because he is a kid playing an adult role about a kid playing an adult role, so it works.
Will Smith can do anything. He, like Damon, is becoming one of those power actors of his generation, able to do whatever the call is. He carried I Am Legend.
The scene where Will looks for his dog inside of the completely dark bank (hive) is not only extremely hard to pull off but so well done you have to give him credit.
And again, Leo for me is kind of boring, what Smith is to you. Leo was good in Catch, and I guess Titanic, but Blood Diamond, with his fake accent, and Body of Lies, with his beard, just turns me away from him. My favorite role of his was in Gilbert Grape, where he plays a child with severe autism I believe.
yeah both of those movies did seem out place for him, but his accent in BD was praised by the locals. The thing I don't like about Smith is he picks movies where the surrounding events more important than the character himself, and just like the most actors from the Golden Age, he seems to be playing slight variations of the same character. He is a good actor, but unless in can diversify from his save-the-world mentality, he cannot be a great actor.
After his portrayal of the stoned out Spicoli in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" he started to backslide as a serious actor. His range of emotions is very limited, and this gets boring real fast.
Me encantan las interpretaciones de Sean Penn, y creo que puede que sea el mejor actor de su generación... pero otros como Jack Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman, Marlon Brando, Daniel Day Lewis, Robert de Niro y Al Pacino son bastante mejores que él. En cambio, creo que Tom Hanks y Heath Ledger son muy buenos actores, pero ambos están sobrevalorados, el segundo, por su muerte.
I love Sean Penn's performances, and I think he's probably the best actor of his generation... but others such as Jack Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman, Marlon Brando, Daniel Day Lewis, Robert de Niro and Al Pacino ar far better than him. Whereas, I think Tom Hanks and Heath Ledger are really good actors, but both of them are overrated, the latter because of his death.
Matt Damon can be corny. Daniel Day Lewis FOR SURE! Gary Oldman GOOD, Heath Ledger GOOD, Hoffman GOOD.Everyone's getting too gay though they're all political and shit now, but yeah before Sean Penn went and turned gay and political, he was awesome
Michael J Fox is obviously a superior actor. Just from this clip, it's more than clear that Sean is an overactor that is completely unrealistic. I think in a live stage, that's great, but in film, it's just not real enough. They're both better actors than me, though.
sean penn is probably the greatest actor of his generation and definitely in league with the greatest actors of all time. he's also a great director. i agree about gary oldman as well (above). . it's rare to find actors with such amazing depth and chameleon like capabilities. i really hope "the assissination of richard nixon" is represented here as it's one of his all time greatest performances.
Ryan Gosling Sean Penn Jeff Bridges Harvey Keitel Clint Eastwood James Coburn Daniel Day-Lewis Philip Seymour Hoffman Gene Hackman Burt Lancaster Steve McQueen Peter Sellers Viggo Mortensen
I agree, nobody is perfect. But Coburn and Lancaster really were great actors. Watch Peckinpah's Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid and Jules Dassin's Brute Force.
What movie is shown in the beginning? And the one starting at 4:02? If anyone can reply to this comment, or send me a message, I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
marlon brando revolutionized film acting and made popular the type of acting that sean penn and daniel day lewis do, so if u like these two actors you have to appreciate brando. i personally believe that brando is just as great if not greater than penn and lewis.
Holden?.."Wooden" William Holden was crap,even back then.And I wouldn'rate him higher than Brando or even De Niro. Yes he's done some shit work lately but his 70s/80s work is still impressive...And as good as Penn is , he still needs a few more great performances under his belt to confirm his greatness
of this generation?..YES..since his "comeback" from his acting hiatus in 94 with carlito's way ,penn's been on a roll since then:dead man walking, mystic river, i am sam, assassination of richard nixon & one of his very best(and least seen) performances: Woody Allen's "sweet and lowdown", which he was nominated for an oscar..& he still takes chances as an actor as well, now playing gay activist harvey milk in gus van sandt's movie.His closest peer,ed norton hasn't had the same impact as of late
i think he is among the "Method acting" school of thought followers. that is why he is best freind with poeple like Jack Nicholson and dennis hooper. Mind you that these guys dont have many freinds in hollywood.
Thanks for the comment. The movie that clip is from is HurlyBurly. He is all coked up, drunk and begging Meg Ryan for a blow job. Then, for some reason after she says no he keeps holding it throughout the conversation...LOL! I personally think it's his best work. You should check the movie out sometime.
i too feel Hurly is his best yet. forgetting all the soul, power, and nuance he puts into the part of Eddie, the nuts and bolts of craft alone in dealing w/ this part is a fucking monster. so dense, it's too much for most people to get through or penetrate the meanings of. plus it's easily misinterpreted and Penn does an excellent job of explaining the play/movie in the extras on the dvd. it's some of the best commentary i've heard on any dvd. ryan has two of my favorite lines in this clip.
"best?" that's not the word i'd use. i'd say 2nd to none, absolutely. i'd also say my favorite, far and away. in my mind, becoming hyperbolic by showering Penn w/ too many superlatives is an impossibility. as much as you can dish out, he deserves. hurlyburly alone cements his standing in the history of acting. literally mindboggling. brilliant, committed, and motivated - Penn is a hero.
Najlepszy=the best!
anetaszym84 11 months ago
@anetaszym84 did he say suck my dick
hallnoats4ever 6 months ago
One of the best for sure
Balmucho 1 year ago
So because he can cuss, act macho, hold his head down and cry, then tell a chick to suck his dick, he's the best actor? Give me a break. I wish I could be in hollywood because I would blow all these fakes out of the water.
Standonarock 1 year ago
No.
russcottt 1 year ago
@russcottt I would like to know how you can watch a clip like this and not think this man is truly an amazing actor. I'm just curious, what's you're idea of a great actor?
TheGreatZurEnRaah 1 year ago
what the fuck question? of course he is the best actor.
Nergall 1 year ago
Yes, the greatest.
oasisnl 2 years ago 6
why isn't his performance in mystic river here? that is one of his best along with milk.
kr15rox 2 years ago 7
@kr15rox
The part in Carlitos way blew me socks off, that should be here to!
But I'm grateful this is here, where Penn lovers from around the globe unite
With love from New Zealand Sean. You wonderful American you!!!!!!!!!
ilovepanslabyrinth 1 year ago
yes i feel he is far and away the best american actor i have ever seen.
quizarrdd 2 years ago
is there anyone in hollywood that doesn't try to make our military look like villains? hollywood filmmakers' notion of heroism is to make 'harrowing' movies like this, althewhile jealous of the real heroism our soldiers embody, so what do they do about it? plattoon, full metal jacket, apocolypse now, etc where whitey looks bad and the minorities look saintly. that's what they do about it.
blueeyesofice 2 years ago
cool story, bro
sierrahotel 2 years ago
those movies you mention... they talk about the horrors of war and how it changes people. we do terrible things when the circumstances allow us to do so.
at first, a soldier may kill for a reason, but if he do it long enough, he wont remenber the reason at all...
LuanaGM 2 years ago
you completely and predictably ducked my point.
blueeyesofice 2 years ago
You do know this film was a depiction of an actual event.
spoonman737 2 years ago
of all actual events to depict of our military, hollywood chooses this?
blueeyesofice 2 years ago
Why blame Hollywood?
Why not blame the guy(played poorly by Fox) for writing the book of his personal experiences in the first place?
If he'd kept his mouth shut, no-one else would have known anything.
spoonman737 2 years ago
why blame hollywood? cuz they emphasize the negative.
blueeyesofice 2 years ago
I agree with your general point, but the Vietnam films that you list were all part of the genre that depicted the chaos of 'Nam. If you want to see heroism just pick up any WWII film. However, in my opinion, some of those films put our (white) soldiers in such a heroic light that we forget our allies (and minorities) played a role, too. Hamburger Hill is your best bet for a somewhat balanced film - and check out the book.
pjmagisterludi 2 years ago
he's good..really genuine..but brando's the real deal..all these actors are inspired by him..
vannathan 2 years ago
Hell no!
NO SHIRT
NO SHOES
NO DICE!
wackassegyption 2 years ago
para mi si es el mejor actor q existe hoy en dia........ y tambien es un muy buen director
la mayoria de las peliculas en las que ha participado tienen una exelente trama y hablan de temas sociales, conflictivos, y eso contribuye muchisimo para que se haya perfilado como un gran actor por ejemplo: I am SAM, MISTIC DRIVER or DEAD MAn.....
resistenciaxtrema 2 years ago
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ilovepanslabyrinth 2 years ago
LOLOLOOLOOOOL
Soulfab 2 years ago
he's a great actor but he aint better than day lewis,de niro,pacino and brando
dhlfh 2 years ago
he's up there though
EmmyLuxeMakeUpInc 2 years ago
true
dhlfh 2 years ago
OUI, OUI, OUI, c'est le meilleure acteur !
<3
twiinys 2 years ago
oh jesus! i forgot Daniel Day-Lewis!
They are the best actors! Daniel and Philip.
kkthxagainandbyebye
AlanMcJPerson 2 years ago
Actually the best actor is Philip Seymour Hoffman. No doubts about that.
AlanMcJPerson 2 years ago
he is among the top 5 working today along with DDL, Crowe, Depp and the last spot is up for grabs with Leo, Norton, Spacey and co. vying.
kingcaesar5 2 years ago
Jeff Bridges, Al Pacino, Robert Deniro, Will Smith, Anthony Hopkins, Christopher Plummer, Matt Damon, and Jodie Foster would be my additions to that list. I agree entirely with the aforementioned minus Leo (I don't care for him much).
Damn I need to see I am Sam.
samsonscott 2 years ago
Leo can of grows on you, if you haven't you should see Catch me if you can, its on of the few roles that he could handle. Its hard to watch him play adult roles because he looks like he is 18 years old. Damon is becoming the most versatile among his generation, he is definetly the 5th spot. The list I made where just consisting of actors under 60, if not I would have had O'Toole, and Jack. Will doesn't do much to spread his wings, he seems content with less demanding blockbusters.
kingcaesar5 2 years ago
Catch Me If You Can is also one of those great movies where the casting was just prime and the story excellent - not to mention it's two great actors I left out, Hanks and Walken. But Leo is just that, tolerable. I like him in the role because he is a kid playing an adult role about a kid playing an adult role, so it works.
Will Smith can do anything. He, like Damon, is becoming one of those power actors of his generation, able to do whatever the call is. He carried I Am Legend.
samsonscott 2 years ago
The scene where Will looks for his dog inside of the completely dark bank (hive) is not only extremely hard to pull off but so well done you have to give him credit.
And again, Leo for me is kind of boring, what Smith is to you. Leo was good in Catch, and I guess Titanic, but Blood Diamond, with his fake accent, and Body of Lies, with his beard, just turns me away from him. My favorite role of his was in Gilbert Grape, where he plays a child with severe autism I believe.
samsonscott 2 years ago
yeah both of those movies did seem out place for him, but his accent in BD was praised by the locals. The thing I don't like about Smith is he picks movies where the surrounding events more important than the character himself, and just like the most actors from the Golden Age, he seems to be playing slight variations of the same character. He is a good actor, but unless in can diversify from his save-the-world mentality, he cannot be a great actor.
kingcaesar5 2 years ago
No, he is not. William Fichtner is.
kkthxbye
AlanMcJPerson 2 years ago
i don't know if he's the best, but he's amazing for sure. i love the man !
isabelpiano 2 years ago
yes he is. to me he is
susanagomez99 2 years ago
THE best, no. One of the best, definitely.
Veronica92891 2 years ago 2
After his portrayal of the stoned out Spicoli in "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" he started to backslide as a serious actor. His range of emotions is very limited, and this gets boring real fast.
He's an OK B-list actor.
Dealit707 2 years ago
your a fucking joke for saying that!
Alex031831 2 years ago
Yeah, he is the best, but my favorite is Daniel Day Lewis. Bill The Butcher rules!
headbanger667 2 years ago
goddamn right.
kingcaesar5 2 years ago
other than him supporting gay and whatever :D
God, ofcourse he is the BEST actor, didnt u guys see the video ?? :D
thats my opinion anyway
yasmine24 2 years ago
great actor but shity commie politics actor should keep there noses out of politics
rumbo84 2 years ago
Me encantan las interpretaciones de Sean Penn, y creo que puede que sea el mejor actor de su generación... pero otros como Jack Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman, Marlon Brando, Daniel Day Lewis, Robert de Niro y Al Pacino son bastante mejores que él. En cambio, creo que Tom Hanks y Heath Ledger son muy buenos actores, pero ambos están sobrevalorados, el segundo, por su muerte.
rxaxp 2 years ago
I love Sean Penn's performances, and I think he's probably the best actor of his generation... but others such as Jack Nicholson, Dustin Hoffman, Marlon Brando, Daniel Day Lewis, Robert de Niro and Al Pacino ar far better than him. Whereas, I think Tom Hanks and Heath Ledger are really good actors, but both of them are overrated, the latter because of his death.
rxaxp 2 years ago
Matt Damon,? What! You forgot Daniel Day Lewis, Gary Oldman, Heath Ledger, and Dustin Hoffman. Jesus Christ people have some bad lists.
Mafia07407 3 years ago
Matt Damon can be corny. Daniel Day Lewis FOR SURE! Gary Oldman GOOD, Heath Ledger GOOD, Hoffman GOOD.Everyone's getting too gay though they're all political and shit now, but yeah before Sean Penn went and turned gay and political, he was awesome
atoughlad 2 years ago
Idiot.
numbingpain 2 years ago
faggot
atoughlad 2 years ago
Yes he definetly is!
What's the name of the last clip? I would want to see that movie, the one where he's "retarded".
ildgrubtrollet 3 years ago
"I am Sam". This a great movie and Sean Penn is amazing! Je l'aime <3
crybabygirl64 3 years ago
He is a second rate "HACK ACTOR"
Dealit707 3 years ago
fuck you
RascalXmas 2 years ago
Bend over and touch your toes....you know you like to do that.
Dealit707 2 years ago
But he did go full retard
AGentcorp08 3 years ago
Michael J Fox is obviously a superior actor. Just from this clip, it's more than clear that Sean is an overactor that is completely unrealistic. I think in a live stage, that's great, but in film, it's just not real enough. They're both better actors than me, though.
applesforsnapples 3 years ago
Mystic River and Milk.......I'm gonna have to go with great actor
AGentcorp08 3 years ago
If Sean Penn wins his second oscar. Then you have to compare him to Dustin Hoffman,Jack Nickolson,Tom Hanks,and Daniel Day Lewis.
prevsviren72 3 years ago
And Marlon Brando!!!
Hibbeshreanto 2 years ago
Don't forget Kevin Spacey, Robert De Niro, and Al Pacino.
samsonscott 2 years ago
Yes.
etanitsbo 3 years ago
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i think he sux and always will. best actor not at all. good actor yes. best ever. fast times at ridgemont high
tbr8407 3 years ago
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In the "Milk" movie, he is very convincing. He plays the role of a San Francisco communist-faggot to near perfection.
Of course, the more astute among us might venture that he only needs to be himself to fit that role.
ElRancholo2 3 years ago
sean penn is probably the greatest actor of his generation and definitely in league with the greatest actors of all time. he's also a great director. i agree about gary oldman as well (above). . it's rare to find actors with such amazing depth and chameleon like capabilities. i really hope "the assissination of richard nixon" is represented here as it's one of his all time greatest performances.
ariesram9 3 years ago 2
This comment is repeating itself
FizzlebyMandelbrot 3 years ago
Gary Oldman and Sean Penn are so gifted and genuine.
Mafia07407 3 years ago
cant forget how good Gary Oldman is man
robburnsred 3 years ago
Possibly one of the best still acting, however, having said that, no one and i meen NO ONE comes close to Marlon Brando......so natural
mvp2269 3 years ago
vasco1492 3 years ago
nicely done except that Ryan Gosling, James Coburn, and Burt Lancaster are incorrect.
sometimes some of the others aren't correct either.
who is?
MrECrux 3 years ago
I agree, nobody is perfect. But Coburn and Lancaster really were great actors. Watch Peckinpah's Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid and Jules Dassin's Brute Force.
vasco1492 3 years ago
I think Sean Penn, Edward Norton, and Phillip Seymour Hoffman are the best modern day actors.
Sean Penn might one of the best actors ever.
copyright12222111155 3 years ago
Ohhhhhhhhh and Daniel Day Lewis!
magictricks3 3 years ago
Another great actor is Ed Norton.
magictricks3 3 years ago
Sorry to say but Marlo brando is the best actor but very close,yes second place is Sean Peen :)
Larsfive 3 years ago
What movie is shown in the beginning? And the one starting at 4:02? If anyone can reply to this comment, or send me a message, I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
iBrando89 3 years ago
The movie clip shown in the beginning is from "Casualties of War".
magictricks3 3 years ago
thank you!
iBrando89 3 years ago
at 4:02 it´s hurly burly! watch it!!!
scheissediewirhaben 3 years ago
Sean Penn is a brilliant actor! One of the best!
magictricks3 3 years ago
markos lezes is the best
tonpineis 3 years ago
he's one of em Al pacino is the best.
dogooda 3 years ago
yes
freaky94w 3 years ago
yes ,he is the besttttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!
6ona22 3 years ago 2
i am a de niro fan
i like Sean Penn so much
and i can't call him the greatest but one of greatest
ahmadalharbi 3 years ago 2
there is no such thing as the best actor..
the closest thing to come to the best actor is daniel day-lewis and marlon brando..
kilnono 3 years ago
that would make them the best actors. your thinking of perfect. and the 2 best actors are sean penn and daniel day lewis not marlon brando.
criptoconalike 3 years ago
marlon brando revolutionized film acting and made popular the type of acting that sean penn and daniel day lewis do, so if u like these two actors you have to appreciate brando. i personally believe that brando is just as great if not greater than penn and lewis.
Amino337 3 years ago
ok how about this, sean penn is the best emotional actor
criptoconalike 3 years ago
0:01 John C.Reilly & John Leguizamo?
sushiboi66 3 years ago
what film is this???
vanessaodorissio 3 years ago
Casualties of War - a film released in 1989.
gmclough 3 years ago
I changed my mind, Gene Hackman is the best actor ever.
cbbgs1905 3 years ago
Yes, Sean Penn is the best actor ever. Even guys like De Niro, Pacino, Eastwood, Holden and Brando have nothing against Sean Penn. Penn is a legend.
cbbgs1905 3 years ago
Holden?.."Wooden" William Holden was crap,even back then.And I wouldn'rate him higher than Brando or even De Niro. Yes he's done some shit work lately but his 70s/80s work is still impressive...And as good as Penn is , he still needs a few more great performances under his belt to confirm his greatness
deathfromabove77 3 years ago
lmao clint eastwood isnt a good actor at all
criptoconalike 3 years ago
What are you, a moron? Clint Eastwood is a fucking legend.
cbbgs1905 3 years ago 2
YES
ZStomp 3 years ago
Ed Norton & Sean Penn Older Brother Complex
Pabloagustin32 3 years ago
of this generation?..YES..since his "comeback" from his acting hiatus in 94 with carlito's way ,penn's been on a roll since then:dead man walking, mystic river, i am sam, assassination of richard nixon & one of his very best(and least seen) performances: Woody Allen's "sweet and lowdown", which he was nominated for an oscar..& he still takes chances as an actor as well, now playing gay activist harvey milk in gus van sandt's movie.His closest peer,ed norton hasn't had the same impact as of late
razorraymarv 3 years ago
Yes, he is.
Reservoir45 3 years ago
yes.
yes.
yes he is.
amyrollin 3 years ago
for me the best actors are: sean penn, tim robbins, sir ian mckellen and Denzel Washington
jolu91 3 years ago
In no order:
Denzel Washington
Edward Norton
Sean Penn
(let the debates begin)
AnotherSillyG00se 3 years ago 2
Of course he is, he's Sean "Fucking" Penn! Can't wait for Milk to come out. I think he'll win another Oscar, well, I have my fingers crossed.
RoshHashanahBaby 3 years ago
great actor, great man!
verrebleu 3 years ago
As well as Tim Roth!
Juliasays08 3 years ago
Yes, he is! As well as Al Pacino, Robert De Niro and Jack Nikolson.
Juliasays08 3 years ago
The last movie is just GREAT!!!!!
It is named
i am sam?
Revex75lasd 3 years ago
what movies are the scenes from, speacially the last one?
hakunumtata2892 3 years ago
casualties of war, dead man walking, hurly burly, i am sam.
shizzle0401 3 years ago
HELl YA!
hakunumtata2892 3 years ago
I saw the real nun,who visited this guy on death row. She was not an emotional person.She was about God's work.Loving people was her job.
sharonclyon 3 years ago
YES!
villibill 3 years ago 2
def one of the best.
adamhuber1 3 years ago
i think he is among the "Method acting" school of thought followers. that is why he is best freind with poeple like Jack Nicholson and dennis hooper. Mind you that these guys dont have many freinds in hollywood.
manidar1977 3 years ago
I laughed my ass of at this clip . In the part with meg ryan , what is he doing , crying , vomiting , jerking off...lol...
sfeclitza 4 years ago
Thanks for the comment. The movie that clip is from is HurlyBurly. He is all coked up, drunk and begging Meg Ryan for a blow job. Then, for some reason after she says no he keeps holding it throughout the conversation...LOL! I personally think it's his best work. You should check the movie out sometime.
shizzle0401 4 years ago
i too feel Hurly is his best yet. forgetting all the soul, power, and nuance he puts into the part of Eddie, the nuts and bolts of craft alone in dealing w/ this part is a fucking monster. so dense, it's too much for most people to get through or penetrate the meanings of. plus it's easily misinterpreted and Penn does an excellent job of explaining the play/movie in the extras on the dvd. it's some of the best commentary i've heard on any dvd. ryan has two of my favorite lines in this clip.
thedwork 3 years ago
yes he is
forgotten220 4 years ago 5
"best?" that's not the word i'd use. i'd say 2nd to none, absolutely. i'd also say my favorite, far and away. in my mind, becoming hyperbolic by showering Penn w/ too many superlatives is an impossibility. as much as you can dish out, he deserves. hurlyburly alone cements his standing in the history of acting. literally mindboggling. brilliant, committed, and motivated - Penn is a hero.
thedwork 4 years ago 4
Absolutely
pammy11 4 years ago 4