and hey apresesco, maybe we did accidently drop the hammer on some "good guys".shit happens in war,you can't go around dropping 1million pounds of bombs and not hit someone you didn't mean to.we kill our own troops too,as I said shit happens in war.
the fact remains you just hate America no matter what else is happening.
I'm guessing you were trying to hook up with some hot looking American soldier and he turned you down,as a result you got your panties in a twist due to the unrequitted lust
@bombaclaat blah blah blah, and you sound like an ignorant douche talking shit over the internet.I would ask you to explain how I sound like a pussy defending my country from slander from another idiot like you...but the truth is I don't give a fuck what you think I sound like little boy
@surfgodx USA committed genocide in Iraq. (I. Douglas, 2007). USA is supporting Al-Qaeda in Libya (The Telegraph, 18 Mar 2011). U.S. is deliberately doing shit 24/7.
@apresesco I really really don't care anymore. You just hate America and will seek out as much information as you can to make your points regardless if any of these "facts" are verifiable. Quoting anti-American propaganda means nothing to me. Let's get down to the of the matter. You think the world would be better served with Russia or China at the steering wheel...I think I would rather go down a slide of razor blades into a pool of lemon juice than live in that world
@surfgodx "all the credible sources and well-documented atrocities committed by U.S. do not count because I don't want to admit that I was screwed by apresesco. I want the U.S. to dominate the planet Earth to satisfy my psychopathic
@apresesco "credible sources" ? all you quoted were some British rag mags and anti American websites you douchebag.I told you before I would much rather have the US in charge but we are not... and unless there is some huge global shift in socio-economics than neither will China or Russia. You have not a fucking clue in the world if you think we have Russia and China beat in the atrocity game my friend. In the long run you are anti-American and it doesn't matter what I say...so just fuck off
"a NATO member trying to make Russia and China fight each other", now i do not major in english but when i break your comment down i take the word "trying" as an effort, or taking of action to accomplish a set objective, thus being "active". you also labled me as "a NATO member" directing your clame towards me, not refrenceing the fact that i live in a NATO member nation. your comment was stupid, super uneducated, and your argument is week.
You truly lack worldy knowledge and education. Fail.
@rohawkcc You should be less nationalistic and accept the natural transference of power from west to the east and a more unified world. According to the World Economic Outlook report, China's GDP is expected to surpass that of the USA by 2016. Everything else is an inevitable consequence of economic success...
@apresesco so now your an economist? once again, you prove my previous statement. your looking up unsupported videos, mixing their crap of self proclaimed know it all's and throwing it all together. and to have a unified world because one nation is gaining a greater GDP? seriously what education do you have? what worldly experience did you obtain? your not fooling anyone here. no offense but stick to what ever occupation you have, your not geared for these type of discussions.
from russia ( pakistan is a powerful nation then india i think pakistan should be ranked number 4 ) and india is not an power ful nation it has lies wriitten against the walls , india whats happend why do u lie aboute ur nuclear weapons when they were dud
there just copies of russian fighters' and probly not as good as the russian version 'so india have the reel thing pakistan so dont start, they will kick you back to th 6th centry that were most muslims want to be anyway
im an american, and i think this is insulting to russia. c'mon now, what pride is there in a military that is world renown for imitating technologies of other nations. their airforce is not top notch, their navy is laughable- they dont even have a blue water fleet, and even their copies suck. china=fail. they should just stick to making crap for other consumer nations. k thnx bai.
@rohawkcc Oh, such a surprise, a NATO member trying to make Russia and China fight each other. Fuck off hypocrite, they will join each other to defend themselves from USA threats
@apresesco hehe, yep a college guy in texas is an active member of NATO, and a supposed hypocrite claimed by a tard lol. get out of your moms basement once in a while guy lmao.
@apresesco you sir are a brainwashed puppet if you want to live in a world guided by Russia or China...the #1 and #2 worst human rights offenders on earth.being a fan of a fascist country that pretends to be communist does not make you a "globalist" it makes you someone who can't think for yourself and is happy to reap the rewards of someone else's work for the benefit of a few.we don't have to pay China back,they are starting their own financial crisis.google ghost cities of China
@surfgodx U.S. committed every imaginable and unimaginable atrocities on the lands that they invade. White phosphorus on civilians; Napalm on civilians; Depleted uranium on civilians; Nuclear WMD on civilians; genocide, torture; rape; massacre; destroy democracy and freedom and replace it with bloodthirsty dictators; theft of natural resources, etc. USA should get UN sanctions
@apresesco almost all that shit you listed are falsehoods spread by jealous pretenders to the throne of dominance and would be world powers. if "civilians" are willing to shelter and feed guerilla fighters in their villages they are no longer civilians but members of the partisan support structure.name ONE single example in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF ARMED CONFLICT going back to the cavemen, when women were not raped I will give you a cookie for effort but kick you in the ass for being full of shit.
@surfgodx The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan reported total of 957 Pakistani civilians were killed by American drone attacks in 2010. This is only those civillians killed due to American DRONE attacks in 2010. The number of civilians killed by U.S. military foreign invaders as a whole is much higher than that
U.S.target civilian population like there's no tomorrow.
@apresesco I'm going to let you in on a not so secret to those who have actually been where the bullets fly.All your planning gets fucked the minute the first shot is fired,and the enemy will hardly ever do what you want him to do..that's why he is the enemy.Civilian casualties are unfortunate,but they happen in war and not all intelligence is reliable.I also notice you didn't mention that 34,000 Pakistanis have been killed by terrorists since 2003 as of May 2011. 957 seems kinda insignificant
@surfgodx source? I think Pakistan should send some drones to bomb USA to help the American people to fight terrorists in USA soil just like you are doing in Pakistan...
@apresesco The shit the Russians and Chines did and CONTINUE to do to their own citizens has human rights groups protesting them.The Russians have quit pretending they are even democratic and just let Putin do whatever the fuck he wants, the Chinese are as communist as the Nazis were.And now we know the Chinese have been artifically manipulating their currency and world markets,this bubble economy they created will pop under them.China should have just let the dragon that is the US sleep longer
@surfgodx arguing with this guy "apresesco" is a waste of time. he preaches about general subjects such as history, economy, human nature, etc. when he obviously shows he was that one kid that never finished school. by simple terms, he's a lonely loser in life and on youtube. also a fanboy of a nations (china/russia) he truly does not understand. my advice is to let this dork live his pathetic life. its rough enough having a stupid mindset like his... id probably kill myself haha.
@rohawkcc *shrugs* I know it is probably pointless to try,but I feel like he is an example of why the rest of the world hates the US.People say all these horrible,despicable falsehoods and our government just pretends like it never happened.If people overseas say these things and we don't stick up for ourselves and show them how full of shit they are,than they gain followers who simply don't understand that they have been duped.
@apresesco How can I argue a hypothetical and irrational situation rationally?The truth is you have a hard-on for America and no matter what I say, or what facts I present, you are convinced you know it all and that everything else is wrong. "There is no greater fool in the universe than the man who knows everything"
@surfgodx Pakistan's military has officially rejected US report on a cross-border air attack that killed many Pakistani people. Get the fuck out of their country, American terrorists.
34,000 Pakistanis killed by domestic terrorists including Benazir Bhutto ( spearheadresearch . org /phpBB3/viewtopic . php?f=13&t=6569 )
the terrorists routinely rape,torture,imprison,and kill anyone who disagrees with the miltant imams who control the radical muslim movements in Pakistan.
fuck them and fuck you
you are so gay for America, I can feel your homo-erotic frustration from across the ocean
@bolt499 In two years the only U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan will be observers watching whatever side wins pick up the pieces.We attacked a country harboring terrorists just like we do all over the world,the ONLY reason we stayed was to support Kharzai since he seems a little more educated and alot less insane than everyone else there who wants power.We shouldn't have been there this long because even "neutral" Afghanis began to see us as foreign occupiers.The Taliban are still uncivilized wogs
@apresesco and i took the liberty to read your statements towards "surfgodx". again now your trying to sound like a historian. seriously WHAT EDUCATION HAVE YOU OBTAINED? from just doing some simple analysis of what you've been typing. you seriously are lacking true knowledge and simple understanding of history and human nature. everything you accused the US of doing has been done by every other civilization of man. lol kid are you socially awkward? or have some issues? this is sad
Oh wow the West is soooo scared now. Lookout it's a Chinese knokoff of a Su-27, what will we ever do? I'm sure our flyboys are losing alot of sleep thinking of how effective these cheap imitations will be against our Advanced Strike Fighters
@apresesco Ummmm yeah not so much.Let me tell you what scares me...short sighted politicians combined with nationalism and human stupidity.The Chines were right last spring when they tols everyone...we are either going to have to continue forward with the New World Order to unify as a world government or watch the world as we know it dissolve into WW3 because of nationalism.Educate yourself and you will find worse things to worry about than who buys crappy stolen knockoff jets
@dilegentelectron How come..i know the planes very well.. this is a pure copy of Su 27.I know that inside is different because all are written in chinese..OK..
@sKyDrifT94 you gotta be kidding me! Su 27 was designed decades ago, in which case it does not have the advanced computer controlled system and the best radar etc.. the Chinese changed all of it.
@sKyDrifT94 a lot of people are still ignorant. a lot of people think americans fight for freedom, yet saudi arabia is not democratic. Americans have nothing to say about that. Strange huh? Oh, isn't saudi arabia an ally of america's in the middle east?
@sKyDrifT94 Your country has been on a tank project for 30 years and is still not be able to finish it. LOL India makes cheaper products. China now only produces electronic devices mostly. India makes shirt and pants.
@dilegentelectron Haha What a funny comment..We already made all of them Now.We Did our best....We completed our todays Homework,yesterdays Homwwork..We already Planned for future Work....You chinese always Copy from American,Russian NoteBOOKs..and get passed..But literally Failed.Go away NOOB..
@dilegentelectron Ok thanks..this is not joke..I think Both may stop fighting now..As the world knows every thing what china is and what INDIA is..Ok stop this conversation and Study well..GOOD LUCK BYEEE>>>
@sKyDrifT94 and you are indian, you laugh at China's technologies. Are you kidding me? go to see your military parade. weapons from countries all over the world, even weapons underdevelopment get to be shown in the public. LOL your military is a circus.
@dilegentelectron I do hate your country Because of cheap copied technology..Haha see your copyculture FIrst..Dont say ARE YOU KIDDING ME...I watch my military parade..Dont watch ours..First watch yours..your country is a POPO-CAT COPY Company..
@sKyDrifT94 Ye.. keep saying that... First saying China only knows to copy is wrong and not true. Sercond, indians are not even capable of copying. Seriously, you can't even copy a thing not mentioning to create something new. Literally everything in your military was bought from other countries.
The PAF are definitely NOT planning to order the J-11 anytime soon. I work for a defence think tank in the Asia-Pacific region and they are most certainly not getting this right now. Block 52 F-16s and JF-17s, yes, but not the J-11.
@BlackRegment8 Yeah, but unfortunately China can't sell J-11s to export customers. They don't differ enough from the Su-27SKs they were reverse engineered from. Each new variant will have more Chinese content, this includes the J-15 and they'll be very capable aircraft, but right now, legally, they can't sell the J-11 as its considered a variant of a Russian owned design, even if it's a heavily augmented with Chinese components. You can't sell what you don't own.
@MustNotRead Hey, I'm sure you're a great queen, but Pakistan has made a significant investment in the F-16C Block 52 & will soon be acquiring the J-10 (FC-20) along with their respective weapons systems and support services. And considering the J-11 doesn't differ enough from the Su-27 for China to be able to sell them abroad legally, you simply won't see them in PAF service any time soon. You won't be seeing J-11s in anything but PLAAF/PLANAF for the foreseeable future.
@Booyaka9001 You want to pretend to be an adult and act like you know something about this, go put on your big boy pants. Also next time, if you want to be taken seriously, don't hit me with your handbag, Priscilla.
There's nothing impressive about "acquiring" technology. Try actually designing and building your own inventions. Lazy people, living off Western invention.
I mean is it really true? Can this be true for anything? Then why not u European people just follow something different than most people following Abrahamic religion? Europe never given birth to people such as Abraham,Moses,The Jesus Christ or Buda.... other than someone dumb like Dawrwin who preached people are from Monkeys. As for technology modern math such as 0 from India, papers from China gun powder compass and thousands of other things are from Asia not Europe.
@ditiopurush hmm u can play that game, china is currently on a political system developed by europeans, chinese use guns that were developed by europeans, without the europeans they still shoot fucking fireworks.. most of china's industrial technology are from the us and europe, chinese jets are based on airplanes that americans invented.. and fucking egyptians used papyrus before china
When the West and russia were developing their aviation or other high technologies, there was no one to copy from.. The West and Russia derived only some experience and expertise from some German/Nazi scientists and they stole from each other occasionally, but there was no one else developing those technologies for them to steal from.russia rarely got western things. And yes, China is a backward country that relies on piracy and intellectual theft to keep its export driven economy rumbling.
I thought Pakistan had freed themselves from the Americans that was courageous, but now they are taking orders and being slaves for Chinese. You stupid Pakis are still slaves with new slit-eyed boss. It's even more stupid to make enemy against the Americans. Look at Lybia and where were the Chinese and Russian supports to Col. Gaddafi?
These communists only smile at you when they can make money but when you are in trouble, you will never see them again. And that is communist for you.
The J 11 has a smaller operations distance and the radar is far inferior to the the avionics. the MKI uses a pesa radar and is armed with rd 77 and the j11 is armed with sd-10.
This being said the MKI will get a lock and kill the j11 much before the j11 has time to respond. i have sources do u have yours?
I would never buy from China stuff on which I would have to rely for my security. They're copies and unlike Japanese copies (when they had to copy), they're worse than the original.
legend - very intelligent comment. Pakistan are an economic basket case. Half the country flooded - again. Killing each other on a daily basis.Handfull of families controlling the economy etc etc.Pakistani's by posting stupid videos - you open yourself to ridicule.
PS - I and my familiy have donated more money and clothes for the disaster relief as we did last year and when the earthquake hit. HAVE YOU???
@jonluc1001 hahaha wtf do u have to pay for everything how is india paying for everything let me guess sucking up americans?come on nw get real its called friend ship dick head and talking about america i dont think pakistan gives a fuck about dick hopping america just like dick hoppin india two faced people thats called real friend helpin one another only reason america helps india is because of israel so shut ur dick headed ass up dont worry about who gettin what and how they get it hater
One single US Air Force F-22 will destroy all 100 of these "made in china" junk-11's in 5 minutes. pakistan is a backward barbaric country, whom the whole world laughs at!
@555sykzero U stupid full, a J-10 L band radar were locked on F-22 while stationed in Japan, after this the whole squadron were withdraw back to Quam base
F-22 made by 44 states part assembly together, it never work, can't fly under rain, all F-22 were grounded, see austrailian defense report on F-35(Like clubbing baby seal)
Chinese air force from 1970 to 80 were largest air force, their J-6, J-7 supersonic fighterjet still can fly,convert to cruise missil attack UAV
@energyalt56 "stupid full" is spelt "stupid fool" you backward illiterate Pakistani. Your terrorist air-force being piloted by a bunch of muslim monkeys in hopeless "made-in-china" aeroplanes! They're made of plastic & will fall apart on take-off. You don't even know bin laden is living down the street from you, and when USA helicopters fly right in to kill him, you're fast asleep in your mud hut. So how is your junk air force going to save you from anyone? Even african air force will beat you!
@TumisHumis OMG, 'spelled' is how Americans write it, 'spelt' is the original English way, and since it is the English language, maybe a little deference, what do you say? If you're getting it confused with 'spelt' the grain crop, well I don't know what to tell you!
@energyalt56 Stop with your bullshit, China's 25 years behind in the Air force game. F-35's stealth will shit on Chinese fighters because that specific 'defense report' was only WVR combat with the gun, the F-35's weakest point. Test the F-35 in a BVR situation and it always wins against non-stealth fighters. China's J-20 is simply Mig1.44..no real stealth or threat. And were not even talking about the F-22 yet. Someones living in fantasy land.
@DailyStaley See useless F-22 and F-35 from Australian defense vid, F35 is canceled, F-22, a 18 years old jet, need major upgrade due to 5 crashes causeed by defects parts
355 million and 145 million each that screwed american tax payer 4 good and dumb fxxx like u is proud for
a $5 hammer sold to Pantagon for $600
Arm race keep going is better for u dumb fxxx, soon will result like USSR
@energyalt56 You're retarded if you take that horrible simulation seriously, the Aussies are begging for the F-22 either way so your obviously wrong, why did they not try to buy a Russian fighter then? Pak-Fa? No, they requested the F-22. F-22 is not useless but its oxygen systems are having problems because the contractors they hire suck.. but the problems are fixed now that the F-22 had several billion in upgrades. And the F-22's strongest area is BVR. The Aussie sim. did not include BvR. K?
A $5 hammer sold to Pantagon for $600, 48 states made parts assemble F-22 congressional support is good 4 U??355mn/135mm each, BUY J-20 FROM CHINA save u 10000$ per american
Aussi test report is right here on UT, Take a look.a rifle can shot it down, at least 5 crashed
need hand modify parts assembly, money politicle system don't work
@energyalt56 Lol just the fact your saying a rifle can shoot it down proves you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.. go ahead try to shoot an F-22 down with a rifle.. hahahah. And like I said the test was only within visual range and the capabilities of the Russian aircraft were exaggerated while the capabilities of the F-22/F35/F18 were decreased.. the Aussies did this in an attempt to convince the government to buy F-22's..but the US banned F-22 sales.
@DailyStaley a rifle can shoot down F-22 info i got from UT video, U can find it urself here, i remember is from one of the designer team member quoted this. Hard to believe, but thats what he said in an interview
aussi blue-red team test result is creditable, since from aussi defense department
auusi is ally with U.S, key thing is F-22 are made in 24 states part assembly to gain congressional support(48 sanators) to screw all tax payer
why not buy from China, reduce tension, save money too
@sadhaklal I jsut realized something as well, the neck of the plane looks like from the Mig-29 .. Also, they are using the helmet mounted targeting of the Mig-29 !!!
And btw, we're gonna induct J11-Bs, an improved version of the present variant, which would be better than the Chengdu J-10B.(Already better than every fighter in the IAF's inventory)
@featherlight123 Though J11 was developed based on Su 27, it has already beyond the basis. China nearly replace everything of the old Su 27 with her advanced equipments and weapons except the shape. Briefly, the power may double or even more~
Such optimism - get a life. PAK Airforce buys / begs China for 3rd gen rubbish. You should be more concerned about the floods in Sindh lack of economic progress' corruption etc etc etc etc etc!!!!!!!!!!!!
All of this is from the India today website the PAF your old adversary has not gotten sloppy we are strong and prepared especially after High mark 2010
if we talk lets talk reasonably and with respect toward each other i am not going to call your mothers whores or something as i may have done before that isn't a way a soldier or a Military man talks
The Pakistan Air Force is stronger than ever. Since the last Indo-Pak air war of 1971, the Pakistan Air Force has with steely determination built up numbers, lethal capabilities and a combat force now counted as one of the most disciplined and well-trained air forces in the world.
Headlines Today has a disturbing proof that all this has made India worried. A recent presentation by the defence intelligence establishment paints a morbid picture of how the numbers and capability advantage that the Indian Air Force has always found comfort in is rapidly slipping away.
Headlines Today has accessed the recent presentation made to the Ministry of Defence. The document makes singularly ominous projections. The most glaring warning is about combat force ratio.
The presentation says that the ratio of 1:1.7 is likely to progressively dip to 1:1.2 by the end of 2012. It describes this as a "historic low". It also says that the traditional hi-tech advantage is almost equal now with 9.5:11 squadron ratio.
With Pakistan rapidly acquiring early warning aircraft, mid-air refuellers and long-range missiles, the technology gap is at a historic low.
It is a wake-up call to India's military planners. The decisions taken now could forever doom the crucial advantage that the Indian Air Force has always enjoyed against an adversary that can never be underestimated.
The last time the air forces of India and Pakistan fought a full-blown war was forty years ago.
But if the Pakistan Air Force of 1971 was an enemy to be reckoned with, circumstances have made it an even more formidable adversary today.
The internal assessment by the Indian defence establishment makes some grimly practical projections in the light of an adversary emboldened by an unfettered modernisation spree.
The government has been warned that with the Indian Air Force's edge slipping fast, the Pakistan Air Force's assertiveness is likely to increase.
Once seen as a primarily defensive force, the Pakistan Air Force will use its new strength to employ offensive and defensive operations in equal measure.
With new precision weapons, the Pakistan Air Force will conduct limited strikes to achieve strategic effects.
The one thing that won't change -- high-value targets in J&K will be high-priority targets for the PAF.
There's a deeper threat at play than just fighter numbers. Consider these newly inducted force multiplers that all but kill the Indian air advantage. Pakistan is inducting four Swedish Saab Erieye and four Chinese Y-8 airborne early warning aircraft, while India, currently, has three.
Despite the ominous projections of the presentation, there are those who believe the Indian Air Force will always remain on top. Among them, Air Marshal Denzil Keelor, one half of the legendary Keelor brothers, who scored independent India's first air-to-air kill against Pakistan in 1965.
But for the IAF to remain ahead, and stem the swiftly dwindling capability advantage over Pakistan, it needs to make some hard decisions across the board.
Finally, with an ageing Soviet fleet of aircraft (MIGs) that are troublesome and facing retirement, the Air Force looks at an even greater dip in the numbers advantage.
The message to the Defence Ministry and the government is simple. Cut your losses and plan hard for the future. If you don't, the Indian Air Force will lose the one thing you've always counted on: its combat edge.
@MegaPiczo they aren't black and you aren't white all they are is internet pussy keyboard warriors them being supposedly black has nothing to do with them being bitches which they are born as
lets look at it realistically and cut out the typist pussies below the PAF Mirage Rose II and F7 Vanguard are good enough to destroy half their planes J-11 and J-10 will make us go even further than that From the excersize high mark 2010 the PAF is operationally far superior no one can touch us now
and hey apresesco, maybe we did accidently drop the hammer on some "good guys".shit happens in war,you can't go around dropping 1million pounds of bombs and not hit someone you didn't mean to.we kill our own troops too,as I said shit happens in war.
the fact remains you just hate America no matter what else is happening.
I'm guessing you were trying to hook up with some hot looking American soldier and he turned you down,as a result you got your panties in a twist due to the unrequitted lust
surfgodx 1 month ago
@surfgodx You sound like a little pussy.
bombaclaat 1 month ago
@bombaclaat blah blah blah, and you sound like an ignorant douche talking shit over the internet.I would ask you to explain how I sound like a pussy defending my country from slander from another idiot like you...but the truth is I don't give a fuck what you think I sound like little boy
surfgodx 1 month ago
@bombaclaat because he is
apresesco 1 month ago
@surfgodx USA committed genocide in Iraq. (I. Douglas, 2007). USA is supporting Al-Qaeda in Libya (The Telegraph, 18 Mar 2011). U.S. is deliberately doing shit 24/7.
apresesco 1 month ago
@apresesco I really really don't care anymore. You just hate America and will seek out as much information as you can to make your points regardless if any of these "facts" are verifiable. Quoting anti-American propaganda means nothing to me. Let's get down to the of the matter. You think the world would be better served with Russia or China at the steering wheel...I think I would rather go down a slide of razor blades into a pool of lemon juice than live in that world
surfgodx 1 month ago
@surfgodx "all the credible sources and well-documented atrocities committed by U.S. do not count because I don't want to admit that I was screwed by apresesco. I want the U.S. to dominate the planet Earth to satisfy my psychopathic
megalomaniacal desires" (sufgodx)
apresesco 1 month ago
@apresesco "credible sources" ? all you quoted were some British rag mags and anti American websites you douchebag.I told you before I would much rather have the US in charge but we are not... and unless there is some huge global shift in socio-economics than neither will China or Russia. You have not a fucking clue in the world if you think we have Russia and China beat in the atrocity game my friend. In the long run you are anti-American and it doesn't matter what I say...so just fuck off
surfgodx 3 weeks ago
"a NATO member trying to make Russia and China fight each other", now i do not major in english but when i break your comment down i take the word "trying" as an effort, or taking of action to accomplish a set objective, thus being "active". you also labled me as "a NATO member" directing your clame towards me, not refrenceing the fact that i live in a NATO member nation. your comment was stupid, super uneducated, and your argument is week.
You truly lack worldy knowledge and education. Fail.
rohawkcc 1 month ago
@rohawkcc You should be less nationalistic and accept the natural transference of power from west to the east and a more unified world. According to the World Economic Outlook report, China's GDP is expected to surpass that of the USA by 2016. Everything else is an inevitable consequence of economic success...
apresesco 1 month ago
@apresesco so now your an economist? once again, you prove my previous statement. your looking up unsupported videos, mixing their crap of self proclaimed know it all's and throwing it all together. and to have a unified world because one nation is gaining a greater GDP? seriously what education do you have? what worldly experience did you obtain? your not fooling anyone here. no offense but stick to what ever occupation you have, your not geared for these type of discussions.
rohawkcc 1 month ago
from russia ( pakistan is a powerful nation then india i think pakistan should be ranked number 4 ) and india is not an power ful nation it has lies wriitten against the walls , india whats happend why do u lie aboute ur nuclear weapons when they were dud
russiaheaven 1 month ago
there just copies of russian fighters' and probly not as good as the russian version 'so india have the reel thing pakistan so dont start, they will kick you back to th 6th centry that were most muslims want to be anyway
701shep 1 month ago
im an american, and i think this is insulting to russia. c'mon now, what pride is there in a military that is world renown for imitating technologies of other nations. their airforce is not top notch, their navy is laughable- they dont even have a blue water fleet, and even their copies suck. china=fail. they should just stick to making crap for other consumer nations. k thnx bai.
rohawkcc 1 month ago
@rohawkcc Chineses as stole technologies and steal. The Russian fighter have copied
norilskroma 1 month ago
@rohawkcc Oh, such a surprise, a NATO member trying to make Russia and China fight each other. Fuck off hypocrite, they will join each other to defend themselves from USA threats
apresesco 1 month ago
@apresesco hehe, yep a college guy in texas is an active member of NATO, and a supposed hypocrite claimed by a tard lol. get out of your moms basement once in a while guy lmao.
rohawkcc 1 month ago
@rohawkcc who said "active" member? You live in a NATO country. That was the point.
apresesco 1 month ago
@apresesco you sir are a brainwashed puppet if you want to live in a world guided by Russia or China...the #1 and #2 worst human rights offenders on earth.being a fan of a fascist country that pretends to be communist does not make you a "globalist" it makes you someone who can't think for yourself and is happy to reap the rewards of someone else's work for the benefit of a few.we don't have to pay China back,they are starting their own financial crisis.google ghost cities of China
surfgodx 1 month ago
@surfgodx U.S. committed every imaginable and unimaginable atrocities on the lands that they invade. White phosphorus on civilians; Napalm on civilians; Depleted uranium on civilians; Nuclear WMD on civilians; genocide, torture; rape; massacre; destroy democracy and freedom and replace it with bloodthirsty dictators; theft of natural resources, etc. USA should get UN sanctions
apresesco 1 month ago
@apresesco almost all that shit you listed are falsehoods spread by jealous pretenders to the throne of dominance and would be world powers. if "civilians" are willing to shelter and feed guerilla fighters in their villages they are no longer civilians but members of the partisan support structure.name ONE single example in the ENTIRE HISTORY OF ARMED CONFLICT going back to the cavemen, when women were not raped I will give you a cookie for effort but kick you in the ass for being full of shit.
surfgodx 1 month ago
@surfgodx The Human Rights Commission of Pakistan reported total of 957 Pakistani civilians were killed by American drone attacks in 2010. This is only those civillians killed due to American DRONE attacks in 2010. The number of civilians killed by U.S. military foreign invaders as a whole is much higher than that
U.S.target civilian population like there's no tomorrow.
apresesco 1 month ago 4
@apresesco I'm going to let you in on a not so secret to those who have actually been where the bullets fly.All your planning gets fucked the minute the first shot is fired,and the enemy will hardly ever do what you want him to do..that's why he is the enemy.Civilian casualties are unfortunate,but they happen in war and not all intelligence is reliable.I also notice you didn't mention that 34,000 Pakistanis have been killed by terrorists since 2003 as of May 2011. 957 seems kinda insignificant
surfgodx 1 month ago
@surfgodx source? I think Pakistan should send some drones to bomb USA to help the American people to fight terrorists in USA soil just like you are doing in Pakistan...
apresesco 1 month ago
@apresesco The shit the Russians and Chines did and CONTINUE to do to their own citizens has human rights groups protesting them.The Russians have quit pretending they are even democratic and just let Putin do whatever the fuck he wants, the Chinese are as communist as the Nazis were.And now we know the Chinese have been artifically manipulating their currency and world markets,this bubble economy they created will pop under them.China should have just let the dragon that is the US sleep longer
surfgodx 1 month ago
@surfgodx arguing with this guy "apresesco" is a waste of time. he preaches about general subjects such as history, economy, human nature, etc. when he obviously shows he was that one kid that never finished school. by simple terms, he's a lonely loser in life and on youtube. also a fanboy of a nations (china/russia) he truly does not understand. my advice is to let this dork live his pathetic life. its rough enough having a stupid mindset like his... id probably kill myself haha.
rohawkcc 1 month ago
@rohawkcc *shrugs* I know it is probably pointless to try,but I feel like he is an example of why the rest of the world hates the US.People say all these horrible,despicable falsehoods and our government just pretends like it never happened.If people overseas say these things and we don't stick up for ourselves and show them how full of shit they are,than they gain followers who simply don't understand that they have been duped.
surfgodx 1 month ago
@surfgodx ad hominem and no rational argument.
apresesco 1 month ago
@apresesco How can I argue a hypothetical and irrational situation rationally?The truth is you have a hard-on for America and no matter what I say, or what facts I present, you are convinced you know it all and that everything else is wrong. "There is no greater fool in the universe than the man who knows everything"
surfgodx 1 month ago
@surfgodx Pakistan's military has officially rejected US report on a cross-border air attack that killed many Pakistani people. Get the fuck out of their country, American terrorists.
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surfgodx 1 month ago
@apresesco *yawns* what's that you say?
34,000 Pakistanis killed by domestic terrorists including Benazir Bhutto ( spearheadresearch . org /phpBB3/viewtopic . php?f=13&t=6569 )
the terrorists routinely rape,torture,imprison,and kill anyone who disagrees with the miltant imams who control the radical muslim movements in Pakistan.
fuck them and fuck you
you are so gay for America, I can feel your homo-erotic frustration from across the ocean
surfgodx 1 month ago 7
@surfgodx son wait for 2 years and u will see u soldiers crying in Afghanistan "grave yard of empires" then i will ask who r talibans
bolt499 2 weeks ago
@bolt499 In two years the only U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan will be observers watching whatever side wins pick up the pieces.We attacked a country harboring terrorists just like we do all over the world,the ONLY reason we stayed was to support Kharzai since he seems a little more educated and alot less insane than everyone else there who wants power.We shouldn't have been there this long because even "neutral" Afghanis began to see us as foreign occupiers.The Taliban are still uncivilized wogs
surfgodx 2 weeks ago
@apresesco and i took the liberty to read your statements towards "surfgodx". again now your trying to sound like a historian. seriously WHAT EDUCATION HAVE YOU OBTAINED? from just doing some simple analysis of what you've been typing. you seriously are lacking true knowledge and simple understanding of history and human nature. everything you accused the US of doing has been done by every other civilization of man. lol kid are you socially awkward? or have some issues? this is sad
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apresesco 1 month ago
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@surfgodx An American accusing others of being "fascist"? Very interesting...especially now that the Obama regime signed the NDAA...
apresesco 1 month ago
kinda migs
elegentprince 1 month ago
Oh wow the West is soooo scared now. Lookout it's a Chinese knokoff of a Su-27, what will we ever do? I'm sure our flyboys are losing alot of sleep thinking of how effective these cheap imitations will be against our Advanced Strike Fighters
surfgodx 2 months ago
@surfgodx I think you're scared, since NATO is desperately trying to surround the SCO countries with bases and warships
apresesco 1 month ago
@apresesco Ummmm yeah not so much.Let me tell you what scares me...short sighted politicians combined with nationalism and human stupidity.The Chines were right last spring when they tols everyone...we are either going to have to continue forward with the New World Order to unify as a world government or watch the world as we know it dissolve into WW3 because of nationalism.Educate yourself and you will find worse things to worry about than who buys crappy stolen knockoff jets
surfgodx 1 month ago
@surfgodx EDIT:The Chinese were right last spring when they told everyone... \/
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apresesco 1 month ago
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@surfgodx . I'm a globalist. I want to live in an unified world with Mandarin or Russian as the official language and a SCO style.
Do not be a nationalist, American.
And pay your debt to the Chinese if you want to avoid a WW3, btw.
apresesco 1 month ago
say cheers for china xerox technology even xerox is not so advanced soon these chinease start making obama duplicate and than rule over america lol
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freshprincejordan 2 months ago
OH Copy of su27 bring it on china..We are ready With Original Russian MAde SU-30MKI..
sKyDrifT94 2 months ago
@sKyDrifT94 it's not a copy. The inside is almost completely different.
dilegentelectron 2 months ago
@dilegentelectron How come..i know the planes very well.. this is a pure copy of Su 27.I know that inside is different because all are written in chinese..OK..
sKyDrifT94 2 months ago
@sKyDrifT94 you gotta be kidding me! Su 27 was designed decades ago, in which case it does not have the advanced computer controlled system and the best radar etc.. the Chinese changed all of it.
dilegentelectron 2 months ago
@dilegentelectron Dont argue with me...Lot of people still say china is COPYCAT..Remember i am the first..
sKyDrifT94 2 months ago
@sKyDrifT94 a lot of people are still ignorant. a lot of people think americans fight for freedom, yet saudi arabia is not democratic. Americans have nothing to say about that. Strange huh? Oh, isn't saudi arabia an ally of america's in the middle east?
dilegentelectron 2 months ago
@dilegentelectron I dont care..Dont change topic?
sKyDrifT94 2 months ago
@sKyDrifT94 Your country has been on a tank project for 30 years and is still not be able to finish it. LOL India makes cheaper products. China now only produces electronic devices mostly. India makes shirt and pants.
dilegentelectron 2 months ago
@dilegentelectron Haha What a funny comment..We already made all of them Now.We Did our best....We completed our todays Homework,yesterdays Homwwork..We already Planned for future Work....You chinese always Copy from American,Russian NoteBOOKs..and get passed..But literally Failed.Go away NOOB..
sKyDrifT94 2 months ago
@sKyDrifT94 What homework? What did you complete? What a joke. I lowered my self to have an argument with you.
dilegentelectron 2 months ago
@dilegentelectron Ok thanks..this is not joke..I think Both may stop fighting now..As the world knows every thing what china is and what INDIA is..Ok stop this conversation and Study well..GOOD LUCK BYEEE>>>
sKyDrifT94 2 months ago
@sKyDrifT94 and you are indian, you laugh at China's technologies. Are you kidding me? go to see your military parade. weapons from countries all over the world, even weapons underdevelopment get to be shown in the public. LOL your military is a circus.
dilegentelectron 2 months ago
@dilegentelectron I do hate your country Because of cheap copied technology..Haha see your copyculture FIrst..Dont say ARE YOU KIDDING ME...I watch my military parade..Dont watch ours..First watch yours..your country is a POPO-CAT COPY Company..
sKyDrifT94 2 months ago
@sKyDrifT94 Ye.. keep saying that... First saying China only knows to copy is wrong and not true. Sercond, indians are not even capable of copying. Seriously, you can't even copy a thing not mentioning to create something new. Literally everything in your military was bought from other countries.
dilegentelectron 2 months ago
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sKyDrifT94 2 months ago
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@dilegentelectron (1)100% true that CHINA IS A COPY CAT(No doubt in that)
(2)Yes Indians No need to copy Because They have creativity and they dont have Chinese Copy brains as you normally have..
(3)Our Military Got Original Aircrafts(not copied ones)..From Russia(Its good to have foreign support)..
sKyDrifT94 2 months ago
+1 for Rainbow Six music!!! :)
strikerk 2 months ago
False.. there is a 5% chance in us getting this plane..
AjwedMohammed 2 months ago
these planes are 1980 designs USAFraptors,f15,f16
CROYHILL 2 months ago
my dear soldier this is the last time you will serve your country "FIGHT FOR YOUR WOMEN AND CHILDREN"
trojansification 2 months ago
The PAF are definitely NOT planning to order the J-11 anytime soon. I work for a defence think tank in the Asia-Pacific region and they are most certainly not getting this right now. Block 52 F-16s and JF-17s, yes, but not the J-11.
Booyaka9001 2 months ago
@Booyaka9001 at current circumstances I think they should get these. road to world war 3 goes through Pakistan if your forgetting. Peace!
BlackRegment8 2 months ago
@BlackRegment8 Yeah, but unfortunately China can't sell J-11s to export customers. They don't differ enough from the Su-27SKs they were reverse engineered from. Each new variant will have more Chinese content, this includes the J-15 and they'll be very capable aircraft, but right now, legally, they can't sell the J-11 as its considered a variant of a Russian owned design, even if it's a heavily augmented with Chinese components. You can't sell what you don't own.
Booyaka9001 2 months ago
@Booyaka9001
what "think tank" is that then? The International Consortium of YouTube Bullshit Talkers?
lol, if you work for a think tank, I'm the Queen of England.
MustNotRead 2 months ago
@MustNotRead Hey, I'm sure you're a great queen, but Pakistan has made a significant investment in the F-16C Block 52 & will soon be acquiring the J-10 (FC-20) along with their respective weapons systems and support services. And considering the J-11 doesn't differ enough from the Su-27 for China to be able to sell them abroad legally, you simply won't see them in PAF service any time soon. You won't be seeing J-11s in anything but PLAAF/PLANAF for the foreseeable future.
Booyaka9001 2 months ago
@Booyaka9001 You want to pretend to be an adult and act like you know something about this, go put on your big boy pants. Also next time, if you want to be taken seriously, don't hit me with your handbag, Priscilla.
Booyaka9001 2 months ago
@Booyaka9001
There's nothing impressive about "acquiring" technology. Try actually designing and building your own inventions. Lazy people, living off Western invention.
MustNotRead 2 months ago
@MustNotRead
I mean is it really true? Can this be true for anything? Then why not u European people just follow something different than most people following Abrahamic religion? Europe never given birth to people such as Abraham,Moses,The Jesus Christ or Buda.... other than someone dumb like Dawrwin who preached people are from Monkeys. As for technology modern math such as 0 from India, papers from China gun powder compass and thousands of other things are from Asia not Europe.
ditiopurush 2 months ago
@ditiopurush hmm u can play that game, china is currently on a political system developed by europeans, chinese use guns that were developed by europeans, without the europeans they still shoot fucking fireworks.. most of china's industrial technology are from the us and europe, chinese jets are based on airplanes that americans invented.. and fucking egyptians used papyrus before china
sexking83 2 months ago
hmm arnt those the planes that the chines pilots are scared to fly in.
USAmilitarypower 2 months ago
uploader wrote this is Chinese version of Sukhoi, if it's true and this aircraft reliable then why China also buying Sukhois to Russia.
babaaj 3 months ago
CHAP CHINESE JETS TO CHEAP COUNTRY PAK
AVD072 3 months ago 2
@AVD072 dont be jealous, work hard and someday you can be like Pak.
yusafzai08 3 months ago
When the West and russia were developing their aviation or other high technologies, there was no one to copy from.. The West and Russia derived only some experience and expertise from some German/Nazi scientists and they stole from each other occasionally, but there was no one else developing those technologies for them to steal from.russia rarely got western things. And yes, China is a backward country that relies on piracy and intellectual theft to keep its export driven economy rumbling.
TheBrowseworld 3 months ago
no Pakistan is not planning on buying any twi engine jet into its arsenal until 2020
stop posting fake vids
elvesninja 3 months ago
pak will get these jets next year in april or may..2012
suckersam 3 months ago
Have PAF got these reversed engineered SU27 yet??????
NO ------ didn't think so !!!!
Keep on dreaming.
jonluc1001 3 months ago
direct copy of SU-27
konischev 3 months ago
swear the j-11 looks like an su-35
mikefan09 3 months ago
Made In China ,,,,,lolzz...!
raja5101989 3 months ago
@raja5101989 Yeah made in China, if there a chance chinese made could destroy India or US made vs 1 on 1 that would prolly funnier.
LuvthewayUact 3 months ago
J-11
Obvious Russian copy is obvious.
AlabamaSoldier 4 months ago
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I thought Pakistan had freed themselves from the Americans that was courageous, but now they are taking orders and being slaves for Chinese. You stupid Pakis are still slaves with new slit-eyed boss. It's even more stupid to make enemy against the Americans. Look at Lybia and where were the Chinese and Russian supports to Col. Gaddafi?
These communists only smile at you when they can make money but when you are in trouble, you will never see them again. And that is communist for you.
Oceancolour5 4 months ago
chinese reverse engineer stuff mostly, so it may not replicate the original entirely but it also has capacity to improve on the original design.
walle1999 4 months ago
Pak is so brave....for buying a "made in china"
anthonycpa2011 4 months ago
@anthonycpa2011 I bet it has no warranty, since it was made to be junk anyway. AT LEAST, it wasn't made in Pakistan!
IndianPrince04 4 months ago
I think Pak is more focusing on JF17 Block 2 and Block 3, because it will have stealth technology
umerrashid1 4 months ago
j 11 is better then sukhoi su mki30.
1adnanbhatti 4 months ago
@1adnanbhatti
do u have any reason to back up that cliam?
The J 11 has a smaller operations distance and the radar is far inferior to the the avionics. the MKI uses a pesa radar and is armed with rd 77 and the j11 is armed with sd-10.
This being said the MKI will get a lock and kill the j11 much before the j11 has time to respond. i have sources do u have yours?
rishikeshfour 4 months ago
i just watched a video about how the Chinese copied this plane from Russia.. and that its crap!
kanserstyx 5 months ago
@kanserstyx - this JF 17 is a copy of IAR 95, plane being produced by Romania at the end of the late 80'.
Maiku87 4 months ago
Russian technology made in china. Hmmm. If huffy made an airplane would you fly in it?
calrenman 5 months ago
I would never buy from China stuff on which I would have to rely for my security. They're copies and unlike Japanese copies (when they had to copy), they're worse than the original.
AgimA74 5 months ago
i don't get it, why do pakis and indians hate each other?
AznDuD333 5 months ago
@AznDuD333 idk either im paki and its some territory and ethnic and border disputes lol been going on for half a century or so
symbiotezilla12345 5 months ago
What ever pakistan do dont buy J11 instead get J10 B they are much better then J11 , J10 is Isreal model sold to china in 1980's equel to F16
flurto666 5 months ago
@flurto666 brother pakistan already got the j10 b now even looking forward towards making more advenced planes soon together china and pakistan
mohsinmaqboolranjha 5 months ago
legend - very intelligent comment. Pakistan are an economic basket case. Half the country flooded - again. Killing each other on a daily basis.Handfull of families controlling the economy etc etc.Pakistani's by posting stupid videos - you open yourself to ridicule.
PS - I and my familiy have donated more money and clothes for the disaster relief as we did last year and when the earthquake hit. HAVE YOU???
jonluc1001 5 months ago
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PAKIS SMELL LIKE SHIT
THE REASON WHY THEY DON'T EAT PORK IS BECAUSE THEIR ANCESTORS WERE PIGS
THEY WORSHIP COWS AND DRINK COW PISS
THUMBS UP IF YOU AGREE
THESE MONKEYS ARE WORSE THAN NIGGERS
ply155 5 months ago
wat a piece of shyttt..made in China LOL
800cody 5 months ago
man paf has best fighters piolet and they are having great fleet....so qulity plus talent.....man........fabulastic.
MrGladiator82 5 months ago
The new super power . . . C H I N A . . .
chohanking 6 months ago
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chohanking 6 months ago
China J-20 is best than any Plane in the world
umerrashid1 6 months ago
Why do PAK want these? Surely you want to beg for theJ-20. Now bend down and touch your toes. Here comes China.
jonluc1001 6 months ago
@jonluc1001 i smell a filthy Indian
legendnemesis 5 months ago
How are PAK paying for these planes?? How doe's PAK pay for anything??
Dreamers!!!!!
Get fcuked by China. Give blow job to American's and get buggered by IMF.
Way to go PAKISTAN.
jonluc1001 6 months ago
@jonluc1001 hahaha wtf do u have to pay for everything how is india paying for everything let me guess sucking up americans?come on nw get real its called friend ship dick head and talking about america i dont think pakistan gives a fuck about dick hopping america just like dick hoppin india two faced people thats called real friend helpin one another only reason america helps india is because of israel so shut ur dick headed ass up dont worry about who gettin what and how they get it hater
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187nags 6 months ago
And the US went in to kill Bin Laden and they didn't even know. What do I hear again, long live Paki--China military pact?
Zoom9003 6 months ago
One single US Air Force F-22 will destroy all 100 of these "made in china" junk-11's in 5 minutes. pakistan is a backward barbaric country, whom the whole world laughs at!
555sykzero 6 months ago
@555sykzero U stupid full, a J-10 L band radar were locked on F-22 while stationed in Japan, after this the whole squadron were withdraw back to Quam base
F-22 made by 44 states part assembly together, it never work, can't fly under rain, all F-22 were grounded, see austrailian defense report on F-35(Like clubbing baby seal)
Chinese air force from 1970 to 80 were largest air force, their J-6, J-7 supersonic fighterjet still can fly,convert to cruise missil attack UAV
energyalt56 6 months ago 2
@energyalt56 "stupid full" is spelt "stupid fool" you backward illiterate Pakistani. Your terrorist air-force being piloted by a bunch of muslim monkeys in hopeless "made-in-china" aeroplanes! They're made of plastic & will fall apart on take-off. You don't even know bin laden is living down the street from you, and when USA helicopters fly right in to kill him, you're fast asleep in your mud hut. So how is your junk air force going to save you from anyone? Even african air force will beat you!
555sykzero 6 months ago
@555sykzero spelt. It's "Spelled" Spelled.
TumisHumis 6 months ago
@TumisHumis OMG, 'spelled' is how Americans write it, 'spelt' is the original English way, and since it is the English language, maybe a little deference, what do you say? If you're getting it confused with 'spelt' the grain crop, well I don't know what to tell you!
555sykzero 6 months ago
@energyalt56 hahaha j-10 never got a lock of a f-22 even if it did it dosnt mean nout a eurofighter got a lock on a f-22 in a dogfight
and yes a f-22 can fly in the rain thats a load of lies wot was made up in a programe
and chinese air force was never the biggest in 70s and 80s
US navy as more than 1000 more aircraft than all of chinas military
j-6 and j-7 are a load of shit china dont have no good jets apart from a couple but no match for US UK france and many more jets
wiganerrmc 4 months ago
@energyalt56 Stop with your bullshit, China's 25 years behind in the Air force game. F-35's stealth will shit on Chinese fighters because that specific 'defense report' was only WVR combat with the gun, the F-35's weakest point. Test the F-35 in a BVR situation and it always wins against non-stealth fighters. China's J-20 is simply Mig1.44..no real stealth or threat. And were not even talking about the F-22 yet. Someones living in fantasy land.
DailyStaley 3 months ago
@DailyStaley See useless F-22 and F-35 from Australian defense vid, F35 is canceled, F-22, a 18 years old jet, need major upgrade due to 5 crashes causeed by defects parts
355 million and 145 million each that screwed american tax payer 4 good and dumb fxxx like u is proud for
a $5 hammer sold to Pantagon for $600
Arm race keep going is better for u dumb fxxx, soon will result like USSR
energyalt56 3 months ago
@energyalt56 You're retarded if you take that horrible simulation seriously, the Aussies are begging for the F-22 either way so your obviously wrong, why did they not try to buy a Russian fighter then? Pak-Fa? No, they requested the F-22. F-22 is not useless but its oxygen systems are having problems because the contractors they hire suck.. but the problems are fixed now that the F-22 had several billion in upgrades. And the F-22's strongest area is BVR. The Aussie sim. did not include BvR. K?
DailyStaley 3 months ago
A $5 hammer sold to Pantagon for $600, 48 states made parts assemble F-22 congressional support is good 4 U??355mn/135mm each, BUY J-20 FROM CHINA save u 10000$ per american
Aussi test report is right here on UT, Take a look.a rifle can shot it down, at least 5 crashed
need hand modify parts assembly, money politicle system don't work
energyalt56 3 months ago
@energyalt56 Lol just the fact your saying a rifle can shoot it down proves you are not the sharpest tool in the shed.. go ahead try to shoot an F-22 down with a rifle.. hahahah. And like I said the test was only within visual range and the capabilities of the Russian aircraft were exaggerated while the capabilities of the F-22/F35/F18 were decreased.. the Aussies did this in an attempt to convince the government to buy F-22's..but the US banned F-22 sales.
DailyStaley 3 months ago
@DailyStaley a rifle can shoot down F-22 info i got from UT video, U can find it urself here, i remember is from one of the designer team member quoted this. Hard to believe, but thats what he said in an interview
aussi blue-red team test result is creditable, since from aussi defense department
auusi is ally with U.S, key thing is F-22 are made in 24 states part assembly to gain congressional support(48 sanators) to screw all tax payer
why not buy from China, reduce tension, save money too
energyalt56 3 months ago
Hold on a second but isn't this plane called the Su-27 ???
MrBoon008 6 months ago
@MrBoon008 Yes exactly. The Chinese ripped off the design.
sadhaklal 6 months ago
@sadhaklal I jsut realized something as well, the neck of the plane looks like from the Mig-29 .. Also, they are using the helmet mounted targeting of the Mig-29 !!!
MrBoon008 6 months ago
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They're expected to be inducted.
And btw, we're gonna induct J11-Bs, an improved version of the present variant, which would be better than the Chengdu J-10B.(Already better than every fighter in the IAF's inventory)
Mysticalseacreature 6 months ago
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Mysticalseacreature 6 months ago
BUY 1 GET One Free TODAY ONLY!!!!
EZ FINANCING!!!!! ZERO DOWN!!!!
Psycolynch 7 months ago
IF THESE ARE GOOD AS THE S27 OR EVEN 70 PERCENT AS GOOD THE PAK PILOTS WILL MAKE THEM 200 PERCENT BETTER!!!! BEST AIRFORCE
featherlight123 7 months ago
@featherlight123 Though J11 was developed based on Su 27, it has already beyond the basis. China nearly replace everything of the old Su 27 with her advanced equipments and weapons except the shape. Briefly, the power may double or even more~
replacebox 6 months ago
@replacebox very good
LONG LIVE CHINA AND PAKISTAN FRIENDSHIP
featherlight123 6 months ago
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LONG LIVE PAKISTAN , LONG LIVE CHINA!!! \m/
abbi44000 7 months ago
Pakistan and India, another example of strife due to religiuos extremism and intolerance..
masluxx 7 months ago
PAKISTAN AIRFORCE SIMPLY THE BEST
featherlight123 7 months ago 24
@featherlight123 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA hell no
titytit 7 months ago
@featherlight123 Pifffffff Hahahahahaaaaa
SimianAxiom 6 months ago
@featherlight123
Such optimism - get a life. PAK Airforce buys / begs China for 3rd gen rubbish. You should be more concerned about the floods in Sindh lack of economic progress' corruption etc etc etc etc etc!!!!!!!!!!!!
Deluded!!!!!!!!!!
jonluc1001 5 months ago
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@featherlight123 PAKISTAN AIRFORCE SIMPLY THE BEST AT DOING NOTHING
bunny153649 5 months ago
@featherlight123 no its not..
konischev 4 months ago
@featherlight123 no their not
konischev 3 months ago
im a paki theri both shit
KASHMIRI7864LYFE 7 months ago
India and Pakistan should just get laid and quit this militaristic bullshit
vmorgun 7 months ago
@vmorgun Nice word use...
SonnyA89 7 months ago
All of this is from the India today website the PAF your old adversary has not gotten sloppy we are strong and prepared especially after High mark 2010
if we talk lets talk reasonably and with respect toward each other i am not going to call your mothers whores or something as i may have done before that isn't a way a soldier or a Military man talks
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
The Pakistan Air Force is stronger than ever. Since the last Indo-Pak air war of 1971, the Pakistan Air Force has with steely determination built up numbers, lethal capabilities and a combat force now counted as one of the most disciplined and well-trained air forces in the world.
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
Headlines Today has a disturbing proof that all this has made India worried. A recent presentation by the defence intelligence establishment paints a morbid picture of how the numbers and capability advantage that the Indian Air Force has always found comfort in is rapidly slipping away.
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
Headlines Today has accessed the recent presentation made to the Ministry of Defence. The document makes singularly ominous projections. The most glaring warning is about combat force ratio.
The presentation says that the ratio of 1:1.7 is likely to progressively dip to 1:1.2 by the end of 2012. It describes this as a "historic low". It also says that the traditional hi-tech advantage is almost equal now with 9.5:11 squadron ratio.
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
With Pakistan rapidly acquiring early warning aircraft, mid-air refuellers and long-range missiles, the technology gap is at a historic low.
It is a wake-up call to India's military planners. The decisions taken now could forever doom the crucial advantage that the Indian Air Force has always enjoyed against an adversary that can never be underestimated.
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
A formidable adversary
The last time the air forces of India and Pakistan fought a full-blown war was forty years ago.
But if the Pakistan Air Force of 1971 was an enemy to be reckoned with, circumstances have made it an even more formidable adversary today.
The internal assessment by the Indian defence establishment makes some grimly practical projections in the light of an adversary emboldened by an unfettered modernisation spree.
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
The government has been warned that with the Indian Air Force's edge slipping fast, the Pakistan Air Force's assertiveness is likely to increase.
Once seen as a primarily defensive force, the Pakistan Air Force will use its new strength to employ offensive and defensive operations in equal measure.
With new precision weapons, the Pakistan Air Force will conduct limited strikes to achieve strategic effects.
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
The one thing that won't change -- high-value targets in J&K will be high-priority targets for the PAF.
There's a deeper threat at play than just fighter numbers. Consider these newly inducted force multiplers that all but kill the Indian air advantage. Pakistan is inducting four Swedish Saab Erieye and four Chinese Y-8 airborne early warning aircraft, while India, currently, has three.
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
India no longer has the mid-air refueller advantage. Pakistan is inducting four identical IL-78M aircraft.
The Indian Air Force's UAV advantage is also disappearing. Pakistan is acquiring 25 European UAVs, with more in the pipeline.
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
Despite the ominous projections of the presentation, there are those who believe the Indian Air Force will always remain on top. Among them, Air Marshal Denzil Keelor, one half of the legendary Keelor brothers, who scored independent India's first air-to-air kill against Pakistan in 1965.
But for the IAF to remain ahead, and stem the swiftly dwindling capability advantage over Pakistan, it needs to make some hard decisions across the board.
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
Delayed decisions
Rapid inductions of new generation fighters give the Pakistan Air Force significantly enhanced fighting potential.
The air superiority fighter advantage that the IAF once enjoyed is progressively disappearing.
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
A determined plugging of air defence gaps with radars and missiles has starkly reduced the Indian Air Force's freedom of action in the event of war.
There are several reasons why the situation has been allowed to get so grim for the Indian Air Force.
Delays in the Tejas have forced the Air Force to grapple with stop-gap arrangements that don't quite cut it.
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
Finally, with an ageing Soviet fleet of aircraft (MIGs) that are troublesome and facing retirement, the Air Force looks at an even greater dip in the numbers advantage.
The message to the Defence Ministry and the government is simple. Cut your losses and plan hard for the future. If you don't, the Indian Air Force will lose the one thing you've always counted on: its combat edge.
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
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this is from the website India today none of it is fabricated and there is a link on my page for it
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago
30 black ass mother fucker indians watched this video.
Pakistan is a self independent state thats why Pak rejected the US aid.
fuck u all fucking dogs and whores of india.
MegaPiczo 7 months ago
@MegaPiczo they aren't black and you aren't white all they are is internet pussy keyboard warriors them being supposedly black has nothing to do with them being bitches which they are born as
lets look at it realistically and cut out the typist pussies below the PAF Mirage Rose II and F7 Vanguard are good enough to destroy half their planes J-11 and J-10 will make us go even further than that From the excersize high mark 2010 the PAF is operationally far superior no one can touch us now
MuslimSoldier187 7 months ago