Herpa Derpa everyone crying like a baby because the onion reports it like it is....
There are tons of senseless shootings that go on all over America daily. Why does she get special treatment because she is a congressman. Yes it was awful but in other news hundreds died to firearms the same day and no one gave a flying fuck ...
Its dark comedy get over it ...
Or just act like the other 50% of brain dead idiots and scream "Boobz".
and rape and rob them. The sad thing is that there are people who actually believe this. And this is why the country is in the straits that it's in. Bottom line, you can outlaw guns, this will have no effect on normal people who weren't going to kill anyway. However Outlaws will have guns, whether you outlaw them or not.
Sad but true. Unfortunately, the laws that we have don't "stop" the people who commit these acts. Now we have people saying "let's add one more law, and THIS will stop the criminals." So a criminal who kicks down a door, overpowers a man or men, physically beats and rapes a woman, and shoots them all afterwards, is going to be stopped by writing on a piece of paper that says he can't have a gun. Even though he wasn't stopped by writing that says that you can't kick down doors, beat people...
Leftists and anti-gun whiners have this idea that if we make a law against guns, that this will prevent gun violence in America. How this is supposed to work, I don't know, because it never has before, and making laws to prevent stuff doesn't work now. See, I'm going to let you in on a little secret: murder, in the US, is illegal. Has been for years. So is rape, robbery, assault, and most of the other bad things done with guns. Yet everyday in the US, people are killed, raped, and robbed...
Actually according to an earlier Onion report it is in fact LEGAL to carry a concealed weapon "as long as its a slick as machine gun like in the matrix"
@scubapro284 That's not what was reported. It was "It is LEGAL to carry a concealed weapon, as long as the weapon is totally slick like a huge ass machine gun that you carry under a trenchcoat like in the Matrix".
Sorry guys, the gun rights issue was already decided by the Supreme Court in D.C v. Heller and then again in McDonald v. Chicago. If you oppose second amendment rights you can't just argue that they're not convenient or that they have consequences you don't like anymore. You'll have to push for a full on constitutional amendment.
@Ztiller1991 Yeah, you are right. The second amendment is dated. Perhaps it even needs to be changed. I’m simply saying that, if we are to change it, we do so constitutionally. Anyway, I've not heard any rational argument for abridging our right to bear arms. In the previously mentioned cases the social data was reviewed and it was found that restrictive gun laws don't mitigate fire-arm related deaths
Fucking idiot... The 2nd Amendment wasn't made to fend of an invasion from England, the 2nd Amendment was made to give American citizens a way to defend themselves from a tyrannical force, albeit foreign OR domestic.
I suppose, using your logic, our Freedom of Speech is outdated too, huh? The Constitution was made to SET UP a government, NOT as a defense against the English. Try harder.
@Q8379 I don't feel as strongly on social issues as most conservatives. I focus mainly on economic issues. I do believe in traditional morals, but don't want to force them on others like religious people tend to do.
Still, the whole conservative/liberal distinction in the U.S. is more complex that it might seem and I'd recommend looking at the political typology section of the Pew Research Center if you want to look at details.
The whole right to bear arms thing is only there because the founding fathers were afraid that the British would come back, so they wanted a large armed militia that could fight back. It was introduced due to the lack of a standing army.
The number of American civilians killed by other Americans civilians with guns, far outweighs the number of foreign invaders killed by American civilians with guns.
It's one of those outdated laws that has no place in the modern world.
@TychoCelchu Ok sir, so what is the most humane way to kill some people? I was born with free will. If I want to smack a hooker in the face with a brick and then dump her in a swamp... well, I can if I want. If I want to shoot some homeless dude that stops me whilst I'm walking to ask me for change... yep. I can if I want. See, shooting the guy is WAY more humane then smacking him upside his head with a crowbar. Your logic is flawed. Guns don't kill people. People like me kill people.
@TychoCelchu Maybe so not many foreigners are killed by US citizens.Its beyond that now. Guns are a tool, they are a recreational device, and most importantly...they are a defensive weapon. I have a right to try and protect myself,a loved one, a stranger, and my property , huh, likely more so than you do to live in a dreamland where gun control equates no violence.
yeah, guys, jeez... we really need them stricter gun controls... cuz we all know those psycho killers go through all those legal hoops to get their hands on them guns. lets take guns away from all the decent, honest citizens, and someday soon we'll all be living in a much safer world. hoo boy i just can't wait for the inevitable reply i'm gonna get from some braindead liberal college student pussy faggot contradicting me with some nonsensical reply! yeee-haw, bring it on!
Now that your done being insulting even before anyone replies, you reek of red-neck in every statement you made.. "braindead liberal college student pussy faggot"? commas please.. I can assure you my reply is sensible and very contradicting. Well now, simply see "TychoCelchu's" post for a summary of what I would say, out dated law is outdated. Civilians aren't shooting muggers, they shoot inanimate objects and other people.
@MrChadwc duuuuuurrrrr!!! well golly gee, ain't you little pussies just so edjumacated and clever these days... i loves the way you makes up your own version of reality and base them snide little opinions of yours on them. good job, pussy! hurr hurr hurr
@MrChadwc I know of 4 people, including women , who used a firearm to defend themselves. Using a firearm in defense does not just mean blowing an assailant away. It also includes the times a victim shot at, wounded, or simply displayed their weapon and their assailant fled.And a victim lived.I personally know 0 murderers hpwever, or anyone who spent time in jail because of misuse of a gun.What world do you live in?
When you only look at the positives, it's a very easy process to disregard the opposition.
That being said, your personal experience doesn't speak for anyone, what about the people that have been killed, because obtaining a gun is as easy as waiting a three week period, civilians having guns isn't just for the "good" people.. if every single person in north america had a gun, it would maybe make more sense, but the few make it dangerous for the many. PS: I live in reality.
@MrChadwc What about the people killed by knives? Ban knives? What about by cars? Ban cars? Baseball bats, a mob and cartel favorite.Ban them? How about the people who OD on prescription meds?> Screw the people that need them, ban them too, right? Its easy to look at the positives because most of your negatives are irrelevant, pointless, sensationalistic , and shallow.And you hit the nail on the head when you said guns are just used by good people.Now you know why good people own guns.
@mattyfromcali It's actually deeper than that. It is a satire on the tragedy of the absurd gun fetishism in America, particularly states like Arizona.
Arizona (2nd loosest gun laws in US after Alaska) has less gun crime than California (toughest gun laws in US). Mexico, where guns are outlawed, has seen 40,000 die from gun crime in the last few years.
How do you explain portraying Arizona as a violent hell-hole just because it's easy for non-criminals to get a gun? Plus it's not even funny.
@Tezcatlepocatl Correlation does not mean causation. States like California have the tightest gun laws BECAUSE of problems with gun crime, which causes legislatures to try to stem the tide. And Mexico is having so many gun crime troubles because of America's loose gun laws combined with the war on drugs.
You're an ignorant fool citing made-up statistics. I've lived in Mexico. Those criminals have machine guns, rocket launchers, grenades, and brand new Chinese military equipment. Would you mind pointing out where in the U.S. I can buy such goodies legally?
You're right about the war on drugs being a big part of it, though. The demand for drugs caused by brain-dead American liberals like yourself who use illegal drugs gives cartels the money to buy weapons from mafias abroad.
You have to let it all go neo... every satire has a purpose. Even the ones in bad taste. Stop cherry picking and enjoy all the satire for what it is. A cleverly wrapped message in a neatly absurd box.
Yes it is many more died that day in the same state, from gun crimes, that no one even heard about. Possibly children. Do you care about them? Maybe, but doubtful, since they weren't important enough to make it on television.
Guns don't kill people... people kill people with guns. USA (chanting softly) Red, White, and BOOM! bullet to your face. Most people killed with guns (or killed in general in the US) are killed by people they know, and guess what they probably deserve it, and/or won't be missed.
More guns doesnt lead to more crime. It just leads to regular crime being turned into gun crime. If you cant lower crime rates, atleast limit the amount of guns floating around to make sure those crimes dont involve people being shot.
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
@DefconBravo :"gunless Brits"? You have no hunting in England anymore? Or Scotland or Eire? One thing's for sure: you rule the roost on surveillance cameras. What's up with that, and freedom?
@Stone2home Gun ownership in England is 6.2 per 100 people, in scotland 5.5. In the US its 88.8. So yeah, gunless brits. And tbh ive never felt my freedom was being stomped on because of cctv cameras. In fact i was mugged once at the train station and the cctv footage helped more to solve that crime than a gun would have. CCTV is used by the police, i dont know about in the land of the free, but over here police are our friends. Also, eire is ireland, different country.
@DefconBravo: I am far from being "pro-gun". Regarding the subject, you might enjoy Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine", if you've not already seen it. I won't go into CCTV, except for two points: A) They're Orwellian, and B) Sooner rather than later, computers -not people- will monitor the cameras real-time, with unpredictable ramifications. After all, when that's the case... he who controls the software controls the system.
@Stone2home somehow i dont think the argument that brits dont have freedom can be supported by the idea that in some hypothetical future computers will be watching us. And even then how would guns help. No government has been overthrown using pistols. A free liberal media will do far more to protect my rights than a gun ever will, and its unlikely that a free liberal media will be stolen and used in a robbery or will accidentally go off and injure someone.
Machine vision and advanced computer pattern recognition are far from 'hypothetical'. In fact, at the Super Bowl last year (or the previous) they were employed in an attempt to ID every single fan entering... just from their facial features. Cruiser mounted machine vision units are available to US police that read every license plate number they pass, and run it against their national databases. I agree with you 100% about the free press and handguns.
Pistols can not win a revolution or instill change, but a well-organized movement with a medium for stating their demands, and rifles to back them up, definitely can.
Look at Syria's people. They have the first ingredient but not the second, and as such, no chance of winning on their own.
@Tezcatlepocatl So how is it that black south africans where able to peaceful otherthrow apartheid, and indians were able to liberate themselves from the biggest colonial power in europe without rifles? You point to the example of syria, saying they cant overthrow al-assad cuz they dont have rifles. Then how did the egyptians and the tunisians manage it? Do you genuinly think that if syrians had rifles their lives would be better?
I can also point to several countries that threw out absolute rulers with guns: U.S., France, Mexico (and 90% of Latin America), Mozambique, and Libya. Right back at you.
Yes, I do believe Syrians would have better lives if they were not sitting ducks. Plus if you look at how the most horrible genocidal regimes, like Stalinism, Nazism, Khmer Rouge, etc. all disarmed their population before committing horrible crimes, that alone makes a good case for an armed civilian populace.
@Tezcatlepocatl your a fool if you think a few middle aged man with a few m16s can outshoot the military. the nazi's started out as a bunch of right wing militias, and did the bosheviks left wing. it's people who think they can shoot out the world's problems that cause them the most.
@powereater Nazism being a right-wing ideology is questionable. Hitler called for the abolition of all income earned without work, the redistribution of wealth from the rich (especially Jews) to the poor, and the total surrender of all individual liberty and identity to the will of the government. Sounds almost as far-left-wing as Bolshevism to me. I don't think guns can solve all problems. I think the knowledge that the people are well-armed keeps despots and self-entitled criminals at bay.
@Tezcatlepocatl Right-wing is defined as the rejection of egalitarian principles, and there was no better way to defy those principles than to segregate, discriminate, and in nazi's case exterminate base those on some1's race. the idea that Nazism is left-wing was cook up by radical neocons so they can add mustaches to obama's picture.
Armed citizens's effect on freedom are questionable at best, there are many cases where armed individuals both liberated ad opressed.
@Tezcatlepocatl Hitler's gold plated elevators in his mountain top mansion disagree with his redistributing wealth from rich. He wanted to redistribute wealth from people he didn't like so that people he did like (and himself) could be rich. That's not any sort of search for equality, it's good old fashioned stealing and oppressing minority groups.
@agent1442 So did Stalins lifestyle, so does Obamas.They preach the left wing ideology so people like you can suck it up and give those tyrants the lifestyle no average left, right or middle winger will ever see.
@agent1442 That redistribution was done through the power of government (left-wing style). The Nazis stole from rich people who earned their wealth through hard work or a good business model and gave it to those who got to a high government position through ruthlessness. Just like what Mao Zedong, Lenin/Stalin, Castro, etc. did.
You still see it happening today in the PRC, where the richest people are also the highest ranking officials.
@Tezcatlepocatl that story that somehow the extreme right-wingers of the nazi party are SOMEHOW left is proof of the lack of education in the us. republicans are dumber than democrats and that's why they will never stop voting republican. greets from germany! also: hitler was no atheist. i read the book. HE says that he believes in god, ok!? no matter what fox news says! i guess hitler knew what he thought, OK!? OKAY!? stop being stupid, vote responsible, vote anti-stupid! BO '12
@UberTankred You're wrong. It sprang from cultural differences. The American definition of conservatism includes trust on the free market over the government, and putting the individual over the group. Nazis believed in neither of those things, just like American leftists don't, so we see them as leftists.
I'm an agnostic Republican, and I would rather eat lead than listen to Fox News, but I'd shoot my leg off before voting for Obama.
I guess ad-hominem attacks based on your own skewed misconception of what an American Conservative is like is the best you can come up with? So much for being anti-stupid.
If you love Obama so much, move to the U.S., donate to his campaign, become a citizen and vote for him. I won't.
@mrbadx19 As opposed to in america, where the police would knock on your door, say you're comin' with us...oh no wait, you've got guns, nevermind we'll leave you alone then. Seriously how is a handgun gonna protect your rights as a citizen? You gonna shoot the cop who comes to arrest you? What about his partner? What about the other 6 squad cars that are gonna arrive. You gonna shoot them with a rifle? what about swat, the FBI, what about the army. Pistols dont overthrow governments.
@Ztiller1991, So in the entire history of Sweden, there has never been a home invasion that has resulted in a rape or murder, or simply a robbery? Because I also live in a country that has quite tight gun restrictions, but there are still robberies, rapes and murders. And I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have a gun than have to rely on the fact the intruder isn't willing to use violence to defend myself. Even if 95% of the time he isn't, I don't want to be part of the 5% where he is.
@Nuclearwarhead357 OFcourse. I accept your opinion, and i respect that you have one. But i do not respect that opinion in itself. Mostly because it's based on propagande and brainwashing. Just look how you immediately called me a nazi or communist the second i talked about gun restrictions being beneficial. You have been spoonfed "All non american is nazism/bad" since you were a child. Thus you react that way without even knowing fully what you're talking about. Thus i do not respect the opinion
@Ztiller1991 Actually I have done extensive research on gun control. I was not referring to you as a Nazi or Soviet, I was simply saying that by not owning guns it is much easier for someone like Hitler or Stalin to take over. It was a reference to being able to fight tyranny is faced with it again. I have actually not taken this out of emotion but all the facts I see show gun control as an utter failure and disgrace to humanity, which with it's presence has allowed millions of innocent to die.
@Nuclearwarhead357 You told me to go stand with Hitler and Stalin etc. I would say that is calling me a nazi.
A working democracy and good public education, which you lack, is the only true defense against tyrants. Ignorance is the path they take to power. You owning a rifle will not prevent anything. I would say the opposite, and say that sweden is the perfect example of gun control not being a failure, nor having lead to millions of deaths. In the US, 30k are kill annualy by guns. In sweden, 3
@Ztiller1991 I said stand on the same side of the room, as in that issue. Which the Nazis and Soviets did advocate gun control. Law abiding citizens having guns does make a difference. There is a reason an invasion of the USA would never work, I doubt that Sweden would be able to resist. Those deaths are the results of criminals, not guns. Criminals kill and commit crimes, there is no way to change that. but banning guns would only worsen the crime rate.
@Nuclearwarhead357 COuld you point me at a source which proves the Nazis advocated gun control? Also, you have more in similar with them than we have, in terms of your whole economy being built up on warfare.
Ah yes, the "invasion" of the US. The invasion that have never happened, and probably never will. Sweden havn't been invaded in 200+ years, just like you. Sure, we couldn't defend yourself. But thats not because the people doesn't have weapons. Its because we lack military power overall.
@Nuclearwarhead357 No. Those deaths are because of criminals and accidents. And thats completely irrelevant, due to the fact that your murder rates are so insanely much higher than ours. IT doesn't matter if its "criminals" or not. What matters is that it happens in the US, but no in Sweden. Criminals commit crimes in sweden aswell. Difference be that they can do it without killing anyone.
Just look at the other scandinavian counties.Theyre pretty much the same.
@Ztiller1991 Now your comparing the psychology and saying that Americans are more violent. Which I am not disagreeing with you at this point, but the purpose of my initial comment was to comment on the effects of gun control. Because by banning guns your not going to disarm criminals or violent criminals don't just disappear. Therefore law abiding citizens need to arm themselves to defend themselves. At least guns are an equalizer. Better then criminals going after women or the elderly.
@Ztiller1991 Not everything is comparable to Sweden. As you accused me of only focusing on the US. I suggest you receive some more general gun statistics and bring in other variables.
@Ztiller1991 and in Switzerland all the men are given full auto rifles, and they have no crime. most of the crime statistics in the US comes from gangs fighting each other. i haven't had a single one of my guns cause any crime yet, so guns clearly dont cause crime.
@Ztiller1991 The problem is that the guns are already here in the US, and if we ban them a black market will form similar to those of marijuana now and alcohol in the 30s. DC and Detroit have very strict gun laws and have some of the worst murder rates in the country. I personally believe that firearm safety should be a mandatory class in schools, as the second amendment and the declaration of independence illustrate that the right to bear arms was necessary to preserving freedom.
@amtoyumtimmy What about future generations? Do you want them to grow up in a country where gun violence is everyday news? If you want to decrease the amount of guns available in the US that's a long and hard road you have to walk indeed but in the end you can have a better, safer country.
Saying that the problem is already there and that it's too late, where does that take us if we apply that kind of thinking on the environment?
@FatalCroissant You forget that there's always the black market. Some asshole once thought it was a good idea to illegalize marijuana, now there's a huge, violent black market for it. If we illegalize guns, a huge black market for them will form and people will continue to die, except this time no one will be able to protect themselves. Criminals look for victims, and if most people have guns there won't be any victims. Also, the maintenance of freedom. Y'know.
@amtoyumtimmy I don't think you can compare cannabis to guns. Ganja is illegalized on bad grounds. Therefore people care less about its legality and demand it anyway. Alcohol is a bigger threat to society than weed but not illegalized for cultural reasons. If it was also to be illegalized it would birth a huge black market.
Guns are different, what need do they fill? The reasons for outlawing them are well founded.
I just don't think America needs its guns as much as it needs its pot. ;)
@FatalCroissant Alcohol already has been illegalized, that's where the mob came from. Guns are a much more integral part of American culture than marijuana, and just because you like marijuana more than guns doesn't give you the right to say that people should get marijuana and not guns. A massive black market will form for guns, and people will die because of it. Only criminals will have access to guns, and law abiding citizens will all be victims for it.
@amtoyumtimmy The crime rates in the US, especially homicide, are realitively high compared to many other industrialized countries. You're saying that law abiding citizens carrying guns is what's holding it back from being even worse? The average Joe does not reduce crime rates or makes the country a safer place by owning guns himself.
I'm not saying that people should replace guns with drugs as I am against both but at least Cannabis is incapable of directly killing anyone.
@Ztiller1991 OH, oh no...a pissant brainwashed dumdum speaking bad about guns...again.....are you a conservative..liberal..libertarian?...matters not....you seem to have an issue with..guns.1st fact .Sweden doesnt have 1/10 the population the US does so any crime stats are very subjective at best when comparing the 2 nations. 2. You speak of the Swedes as the epitome of gun control and keeping firearms out of the hands of most citizens...1 word to answer you.Switzerland.
@CyanoticFuture Switzerland has a lower overall crime rate than germany, and yet they have a higher rate of gun crime. Why? because people have more guns. If you get rid of crime, you get rid of gun crime. If you get rid of guns, you get rid of gun crime. Its a lot easier to get rid of guns than it is to get rid of crime. So lets start with that.
@DefconBravo Uh, just quickly, guns in the hands of criminals doesn't chance with guns being outlawed. Turns out criminals don't follow the laws :O
And if someone is going to murder someone else, gun or not, they're gonna do it. Alot of the stuff people claim wouldn't happen without guns would most likely just happen with knives instead.
Guns don't kill people, crazy / angry people kill people.
@WirlWind494 Then I apologize for my sarcastic message, I didn't see that.
On a side note though, the only "gun crimes" I can see replaced with knives are robberies. I would guess it's much harder to stab someone than to shoot someone but I can't say for sure since I've tried neither.
@FatalCroissant Well there are other things that would be replaced with knives / chainsaws / etc.
For instance, there could still be school knifings. Granted, probably won't be as bad as the shootings, but it's potentially easier to rack up more kills due to it being silent, no-one will know to run because of "shots fired".
But I meant more like instead of gun suicide, they might cut their wrists. Robberies too, rapes, murders (both premed and passion crimes).
@WirlWind494 Not sure of the exact details, but i do remember one of the biggest school massacres took place some years back in China.Number of dead = much more than Columbine, around 60 i think. Weapon used ...machete.
@CyanoticFuture Christ, totally missed that one while looking it up, that's what I meant about potentially more kills than a gun. You could potentially walk room to room and slaughter everyone in there and the room 2 down wouldn't hear it.
As I said earlier, guns don't kill people. Crazy people kill people.
@WirlWind494 Also in 2010 8 Chinese kids were killed by a man with a knife at a school. But thats not a sensational story involving guns..so i guess no one cares...
@FatalCroissant One of the big things Australian media touted after coming down hard on guns here was suddenly shooting suicides went down, but when one looks, you'll find that other suicide methods actually rose, so it didn't really prevent anything, except maybe a quick and painless death for some troubled people.
@WirlWind494 Well suicide is in it's own category and it's self-explanatory that someone who is intending to opt out is going to do it no matter the means necessary. Suicide is also not a crime and I can't see how it could be regarded as such.
Knives could never cause the massacres that are school shootings, that's a ridiculous idea. Here there's never been a school shooting cause we don't have guns but there's never been a school knifing either eventhough we have knives.
@FatalCroissant I said knife killings wouldn't be as bad, but could 'potentially' be, due to the lack of "bang bang bang".
Actually, the easiest way to kill alot of people would be explosives.
And just because you've never had a school massacre there, doesn't mean you won't ever. Thankfully, mass murders aren't that common, but they do happen with knives (2 in Japan I know of atleast).
And the suicide falls under the category of "gun deaths" which do usually include these.
@WirlWind494 I don't understand why you cling on to your guns so hard. Because of a law that was founded when your country stood on the brink of civil war and militia was a necessity? Back then a gun could fire one bullet and then took a minute to reload.
Why make it easier for criminals to obtain guns when you could outlaw guns with no valid purpose thus forcing criminals to circumvent the system and risking getting arrested solely for owning said guns.
@FatalCroissant And also, I'm not American. I don't live there, I don't intend to live there. I live in Australia and it's hard to get guns here.
Sure, it's a little harder for criminals to get guns with strict laws, but like I said, that won't stop them from getting them if they really want to, nor will it prevent alot of crimes that might have used them if they were readily available.
And it's in the constitution for if the government ever becomes tyrannical, they can fight.
@WirlWind494 Sure, criminals that really want guns are going to get them, one way or the other. But I still think lots of the "ordinary" criminals would be left without. The ones that kind of want them but can't be bothered by the process of obtaining them.
Also not having guns in the hands of ordinary citizens is a huge plus. A good citizen can so easily change category to criminal when there's a gun in his hand. All it takes is a threatening situation and a bad decision.
@FatalCroissant That's a ridiculous view of the world, someone doesn't just decide not to kill someone because it's slightly inconvenient. If they're at the point that they're willing to use lethal force, they're willing to spend the small inconvenience of going through their local black market to acquire one. And guns aren't magical violence creators, most gun owners, and there a lot of them, are good citizens with or without guns.
@amtoyumtimmy Of course murderers are going to realize their plans. But I am convinced that there are plenty of killings, not based on murderous intent, that could've been prevented, had there not been guns involved.
A black market might form but the amount of guns in circulation would drop drastically. In Sweden, only hunting rifles are allowed and eventhough there surely is a black market for illegal firearms, there's very little gun violence, not due to lack of criminals but to lack of guns.
@FatalCroissant Honduras had 86 murders per 100,000 people in 2011, and 6.2 firearms per 100 people. Austria had .56 murders per 100,000 people and 30.4 guns per 100 people. Guns don't kill people, people do.
Herpa Derpa everyone crying like a baby because the onion reports it like it is....
There are tons of senseless shootings that go on all over America daily. Why does she get special treatment because she is a congressman. Yes it was awful but in other news hundreds died to firearms the same day and no one gave a flying fuck ...
Its dark comedy get over it ...
Or just act like the other 50% of brain dead idiots and scream "Boobz".
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and rape and rob them. The sad thing is that there are people who actually believe this. And this is why the country is in the straits that it's in. Bottom line, you can outlaw guns, this will have no effect on normal people who weren't going to kill anyway. However Outlaws will have guns, whether you outlaw them or not.
theunpopulartruth99 1 month ago
Sad but true. Unfortunately, the laws that we have don't "stop" the people who commit these acts. Now we have people saying "let's add one more law, and THIS will stop the criminals." So a criminal who kicks down a door, overpowers a man or men, physically beats and rapes a woman, and shoots them all afterwards, is going to be stopped by writing on a piece of paper that says he can't have a gun. Even though he wasn't stopped by writing that says that you can't kick down doors, beat people...
theunpopulartruth99 1 month ago
Leftists and anti-gun whiners have this idea that if we make a law against guns, that this will prevent gun violence in America. How this is supposed to work, I don't know, because it never has before, and making laws to prevent stuff doesn't work now. See, I'm going to let you in on a little secret: murder, in the US, is illegal. Has been for years. So is rape, robbery, assault, and most of the other bad things done with guns. Yet everyday in the US, people are killed, raped, and robbed...
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Actually according to an earlier Onion report it is in fact LEGAL to carry a concealed weapon "as long as its a slick as machine gun like in the matrix"
scubapro284 1 month ago 38
@scubapro284 That's not what was reported. It was "It is LEGAL to carry a concealed weapon, as long as the weapon is totally slick like a huge ass machine gun that you carry under a trenchcoat like in the Matrix".
Mautiks 1 month ago
@Mautiks pretty sure thats what i wrote but thank you for being the over sight commitee
scubapro284 1 month ago
@scubapro284 and you carry it in a trenchcoat*
TheBobert324 1 week ago
Sorry guys, the gun rights issue was already decided by the Supreme Court in D.C v. Heller and then again in McDonald v. Chicago. If you oppose second amendment rights you can't just argue that they're not convenient or that they have consequences you don't like anymore. You'll have to push for a full on constitutional amendment.
WarThemedRevolution 1 month ago
@WarThemedRevolution Yeah, why let rational thinking get in the way of 250 year old laws that were made to fend off an invasion from the englishmen.
Ztiller1991 1 month ago
@Ztiller1991 Yeah, you are right. The second amendment is dated. Perhaps it even needs to be changed. I’m simply saying that, if we are to change it, we do so constitutionally. Anyway, I've not heard any rational argument for abridging our right to bear arms. In the previously mentioned cases the social data was reviewed and it was found that restrictive gun laws don't mitigate fire-arm related deaths
WarThemedRevolution 1 month ago
@Ztiller1991
Fucking idiot... The 2nd Amendment wasn't made to fend of an invasion from England, the 2nd Amendment was made to give American citizens a way to defend themselves from a tyrannical force, albeit foreign OR domestic.
I suppose, using your logic, our Freedom of Speech is outdated too, huh? The Constitution was made to SET UP a government, NOT as a defense against the English. Try harder.
Cozmolyne 1 month ago
@cf80to01 Want to make guns illegal? Go ahead but then only criminals will have them. Want Washington DC murder rates on a national scale?
jpete3027666 1 month ago
toooooo soooooooooon :'( loljk
walshygel2 1 month ago
@Q8379 I don't feel as strongly on social issues as most conservatives. I focus mainly on economic issues. I do believe in traditional morals, but don't want to force them on others like religious people tend to do.
Still, the whole conservative/liberal distinction in the U.S. is more complex that it might seem and I'd recommend looking at the political typology section of the Pew Research Center if you want to look at details.
Tezcatlepocatl 1 month ago
Fuckin' amateurs.
pizzamovies 1 month ago
Haha, silly American cowboys.
underbjorn 1 month ago
A hollow point bullet rips through the flesh of an inocent child!!!
dachipchipboiz 1 month ago
I dont mind adverts, but do not block the cleavage!!
KillerOfDolts 1 month ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I'm a lone gunman and I find this offensive.
feckadoodlethe2nd 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheOnion
@feckadoodlethe2nd You should contact the ALF-CIO or the ACLU they have a thing for helping those who are oppressed!!
subanima 1 month ago
Brooke Alvarez....vaa vaa voooommm!!!!
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jaydee2407 1 month ago
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jaydee2407 1 month ago
Her tits are uneven.
ErinTurco21 1 month ago 2
@ErinTurco21 Every woman has one tit thats bigger than the other , sometimes its just more noticeable.
Liquidshrapnel 1 month ago
@ErinTurco21 I didnt even notice it
Matthew94R 1 month ago
@ErinTurco21 I'd still do it.
Anonymous52550 1 month ago
The whole right to bear arms thing is only there because the founding fathers were afraid that the British would come back, so they wanted a large armed militia that could fight back. It was introduced due to the lack of a standing army.
The number of American civilians killed by other Americans civilians with guns, far outweighs the number of foreign invaders killed by American civilians with guns.
It's one of those outdated laws that has no place in the modern world.
TychoCelchu 1 month ago
@TychoCelchu Ok sir, so what is the most humane way to kill some people? I was born with free will. If I want to smack a hooker in the face with a brick and then dump her in a swamp... well, I can if I want. If I want to shoot some homeless dude that stops me whilst I'm walking to ask me for change... yep. I can if I want. See, shooting the guy is WAY more humane then smacking him upside his head with a crowbar. Your logic is flawed. Guns don't kill people. People like me kill people.
prawcessthegreat 1 month ago 7
@TychoCelchu Maybe so not many foreigners are killed by US citizens.Its beyond that now. Guns are a tool, they are a recreational device, and most importantly...they are a defensive weapon. I have a right to try and protect myself,a loved one, a stranger, and my property , huh, likely more so than you do to live in a dreamland where gun control equates no violence.
CyanoticFuture 1 month ago
yeah, guys, jeez... we really need them stricter gun controls... cuz we all know those psycho killers go through all those legal hoops to get their hands on them guns. lets take guns away from all the decent, honest citizens, and someday soon we'll all be living in a much safer world. hoo boy i just can't wait for the inevitable reply i'm gonna get from some braindead liberal college student pussy faggot contradicting me with some nonsensical reply! yeee-haw, bring it on!
colorconnection 1 month ago
@colorconnection
Sure I'll give it a go!
Now that your done being insulting even before anyone replies, you reek of red-neck in every statement you made.. "braindead liberal college student pussy faggot"? commas please.. I can assure you my reply is sensible and very contradicting. Well now, simply see "TychoCelchu's" post for a summary of what I would say, out dated law is outdated. Civilians aren't shooting muggers, they shoot inanimate objects and other people.
MrChadwc 1 month ago
@MrChadwc duuuuuurrrrr!!! well golly gee, ain't you little pussies just so edjumacated and clever these days... i loves the way you makes up your own version of reality and base them snide little opinions of yours on them. good job, pussy! hurr hurr hurr
colorconnection 1 month ago
@colorconnection
I'm not going to guess whether your playing dumb or are actually stupid; regardless, my point stands, and you can't refute it.
MrChadwc 1 month ago
@MrChadwc I know of 4 people, including women , who used a firearm to defend themselves. Using a firearm in defense does not just mean blowing an assailant away. It also includes the times a victim shot at, wounded, or simply displayed their weapon and their assailant fled.And a victim lived.I personally know 0 murderers hpwever, or anyone who spent time in jail because of misuse of a gun.What world do you live in?
CyanoticFuture 1 month ago
@CyanoticFuture
When you only look at the positives, it's a very easy process to disregard the opposition.
That being said, your personal experience doesn't speak for anyone, what about the people that have been killed, because obtaining a gun is as easy as waiting a three week period, civilians having guns isn't just for the "good" people.. if every single person in north america had a gun, it would maybe make more sense, but the few make it dangerous for the many. PS: I live in reality.
MrChadwc 1 month ago
@MrChadwc What about the people killed by knives? Ban knives? What about by cars? Ban cars? Baseball bats, a mob and cartel favorite.Ban them? How about the people who OD on prescription meds?> Screw the people that need them, ban them too, right? Its easy to look at the positives because most of your negatives are irrelevant, pointless, sensationalistic , and shallow.And you hit the nail on the head when you said guns are just used by good people.Now you know why good people own guns.
CyanoticFuture 1 month ago
@MrChadwc PS:The majority of gun murders in the US is gang related (gang member on gang member.Other words,...who cares
CyanoticFuture 1 month ago
@MrChadwc PS: last sentence of first comment, meant to be >>> ARENT just used by good people <<, not are just used by good people.
CyanoticFuture 1 month ago
I don't care about the politics of this video. I just find it hard to laugh at any skit featuring Gabby Giffords.
mattyfromcali 1 month ago
@mattyfromcali This is not laughing at Gabby Giffords. It's a satire about Arizona's combination of loose gun control law and big redneck population.
ktchong 1 month ago
@mattyfromcali It's actually deeper than that. It is a satire on the tragedy of the absurd gun fetishism in America, particularly states like Arizona.
dangerouslytalented 1 month ago
Uhh why isn't anyone talking about the boobs?
geitvdplas 1 month ago
@geitvdplas because fail cleavage has failed
gratex 1 month ago
@subanima Hell yeah! ;-)
ammyanne 1 month ago
Fox and MSNBC both suck. I wish the Onion news had it's own 24/7 cable channel It would be the top rated channel in television.
subanima 1 month ago
@subanima Colbert and Stewart both dominate cable news.`
dangerouslytalented 1 month ago
Arizona (2nd loosest gun laws in US after Alaska) has less gun crime than California (toughest gun laws in US). Mexico, where guns are outlawed, has seen 40,000 die from gun crime in the last few years.
How do you explain portraying Arizona as a violent hell-hole just because it's easy for non-criminals to get a gun? Plus it's not even funny.
Tezcatlepocatl 1 month ago
@Tezcatlepocatl Correlation does not mean causation. States like California have the tightest gun laws BECAUSE of problems with gun crime, which causes legislatures to try to stem the tide. And Mexico is having so many gun crime troubles because of America's loose gun laws combined with the war on drugs.
dangerouslytalented 1 month ago
@dangerouslytalented
You're an ignorant fool citing made-up statistics. I've lived in Mexico. Those criminals have machine guns, rocket launchers, grenades, and brand new Chinese military equipment. Would you mind pointing out where in the U.S. I can buy such goodies legally?
You're right about the war on drugs being a big part of it, though. The demand for drugs caused by brain-dead American liberals like yourself who use illegal drugs gives cartels the money to buy weapons from mafias abroad.
Tezcatlepocatl 1 month ago
The question really is... Who's gonna finish the job? Wrap that around your mind.
freemanian2027 1 month ago
Hahaha best one yet
vamifek 1 month ago
I'm sorry I can usually laugh at the most appalling things but this one was really in bad taste.
poorandimmature 1 month ago
@poorandimmature
You have to let it all go neo... every satire has a purpose. Even the ones in bad taste. Stop cherry picking and enjoy all the satire for what it is. A cleverly wrapped message in a neatly absurd box.
lordtalon69 6 hours ago
IS this really necessary? A 12 year old girl died among 5 others.
BTuna1 1 month ago
@BTuna1
Yes it is many more died that day in the same state, from gun crimes, that no one even heard about. Possibly children. Do you care about them? Maybe, but doubtful, since they weren't important enough to make it on television.
lordtalon69 5 hours ago
in the words of ponchman....BOOBIES!!!!!
That0neChanne1 1 month ago
New poll: Arizona closely catching up to New Jersey, Ohio in "Nation's Worst State" competition.
lamborger 1 month ago
Anyone else wanna wreck Brooke Alvarez?
TheBobert324 1 month ago 15
@TheBobert324 Actually, I would have her wreck me.
dangerouslytalented 1 month ago
@TheBobert324 with my penis.
airfoemoe 1 month ago
Guns don't kill people... people kill people with guns. USA (chanting softly) Red, White, and BOOM! bullet to your face. Most people killed with guns (or killed in general in the US) are killed by people they know, and guess what they probably deserve it, and/or won't be missed.
coopdeville777 1 month ago
tasteles garbage!
keitheric5 1 month ago
Jesus people, chill out and just laugh at the funny video,
Adam from Arizona
z32upgrader 1 month ago
@z32upgrader
Word.
lordtalon69 5 hours ago
@Ztiller1991 Well said!
IHMGames 1 month ago
@xXmilesdavisXx Cause they're so sparkly. It's understandable you want them to shine more. Hell I want to make them sparkle more too.
blaquenoise 1 month ago
God damn it, /k/.
TCKaos 1 month ago
haha, if you are from arizona I am suprised you are smart enough to watch ONN.
failtolawl 1 month ago
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xXmilesdavisXx 1 month ago 9
@xXmilesdavisXx perfectly reasonable urge
fallenempireoverdrve 1 month ago in playlist More videos from TheOnion
@xXmilesdavisXx Why are you getting off to that when you have the entire internet at your disposal?
ssjbrolly3 1 month ago
@xXmilesdavisXx I know, someone having a sexual thought? that's so strange! her tits look terrible in my opinion btw
xlhotlx 1 month ago
I think a lot of people missed the point of this video
MagellansUnderwear 1 month ago
@MagellansUnderwear
Yep.
lordtalon69 5 hours ago
Crazy Obamabots who hate freedom and want to take away our guns.
sc1fan4life 1 month ago
More guns doesnt lead to more crime. It just leads to regular crime being turned into gun crime. If you cant lower crime rates, atleast limit the amount of guns floating around to make sure those crimes dont involve people being shot.
DefconBravo 1 month ago
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
--Thomas Jefferson
Yoshi5020 1 month ago
@Yoshi5020 And yet you armed americans can be indefinitely locked up in guantanamo bay without trial while us gunless brits get to enjoy freedom
DefconBravo 1 month ago
@DefconBravo :"gunless Brits"? You have no hunting in England anymore? Or Scotland or Eire? One thing's for sure: you rule the roost on surveillance cameras. What's up with that, and freedom?
Stone2home 1 month ago
@Stone2home Gun ownership in England is 6.2 per 100 people, in scotland 5.5. In the US its 88.8. So yeah, gunless brits. And tbh ive never felt my freedom was being stomped on because of cctv cameras. In fact i was mugged once at the train station and the cctv footage helped more to solve that crime than a gun would have. CCTV is used by the police, i dont know about in the land of the free, but over here police are our friends. Also, eire is ireland, different country.
DefconBravo 1 month ago
@DefconBravo: I am far from being "pro-gun". Regarding the subject, you might enjoy Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine", if you've not already seen it. I won't go into CCTV, except for two points: A) They're Orwellian, and B) Sooner rather than later, computers -not people- will monitor the cameras real-time, with unpredictable ramifications. After all, when that's the case... he who controls the software controls the system.
Stone2home 1 month ago
@Stone2home somehow i dont think the argument that brits dont have freedom can be supported by the idea that in some hypothetical future computers will be watching us. And even then how would guns help. No government has been overthrown using pistols. A free liberal media will do far more to protect my rights than a gun ever will, and its unlikely that a free liberal media will be stolen and used in a robbery or will accidentally go off and injure someone.
DefconBravo 1 month ago
@DefconBravo
france
1bigrob007 1 month ago
Machine vision and advanced computer pattern recognition are far from 'hypothetical'. In fact, at the Super Bowl last year (or the previous) they were employed in an attempt to ID every single fan entering... just from their facial features. Cruiser mounted machine vision units are available to US police that read every license plate number they pass, and run it against their national databases. I agree with you 100% about the free press and handguns.
Stone2home 1 month ago
@DefconBravo: Regarding handguns, you might enjoy:
Find kuriositas on line, then Short Films, then "Anthem".
It is a fictional film short, about 10 minutes long, set sometime in the future.
Stone2home 1 month ago
@DefconBravo
Pistols can not win a revolution or instill change, but a well-organized movement with a medium for stating their demands, and rifles to back them up, definitely can.
Look at Syria's people. They have the first ingredient but not the second, and as such, no chance of winning on their own.
Tezcatlepocatl 1 month ago
@Tezcatlepocatl So how is it that black south africans where able to peaceful otherthrow apartheid, and indians were able to liberate themselves from the biggest colonial power in europe without rifles? You point to the example of syria, saying they cant overthrow al-assad cuz they dont have rifles. Then how did the egyptians and the tunisians manage it? Do you genuinly think that if syrians had rifles their lives would be better?
DefconBravo 1 month ago
@DefconBravo
I can also point to several countries that threw out absolute rulers with guns: U.S., France, Mexico (and 90% of Latin America), Mozambique, and Libya. Right back at you.
Yes, I do believe Syrians would have better lives if they were not sitting ducks. Plus if you look at how the most horrible genocidal regimes, like Stalinism, Nazism, Khmer Rouge, etc. all disarmed their population before committing horrible crimes, that alone makes a good case for an armed civilian populace.
Tezcatlepocatl 1 month ago
@Tezcatlepocatl your a fool if you think a few middle aged man with a few m16s can outshoot the military. the nazi's started out as a bunch of right wing militias, and did the bosheviks left wing. it's people who think they can shoot out the world's problems that cause them the most.
powereater 1 month ago
@powereater Nazism being a right-wing ideology is questionable. Hitler called for the abolition of all income earned without work, the redistribution of wealth from the rich (especially Jews) to the poor, and the total surrender of all individual liberty and identity to the will of the government. Sounds almost as far-left-wing as Bolshevism to me. I don't think guns can solve all problems. I think the knowledge that the people are well-armed keeps despots and self-entitled criminals at bay.
Tezcatlepocatl 1 month ago
@Tezcatlepocatl Right-wing is defined as the rejection of egalitarian principles, and there was no better way to defy those principles than to segregate, discriminate, and in nazi's case exterminate base those on some1's race. the idea that Nazism is left-wing was cook up by radical neocons so they can add mustaches to obama's picture.
Armed citizens's effect on freedom are questionable at best, there are many cases where armed individuals both liberated ad opressed.
powereater 1 month ago
@Tezcatlepocatl Hitler's gold plated elevators in his mountain top mansion disagree with his redistributing wealth from rich. He wanted to redistribute wealth from people he didn't like so that people he did like (and himself) could be rich. That's not any sort of search for equality, it's good old fashioned stealing and oppressing minority groups.
agent1442 1 month ago 13
@agent1442 So did Stalins lifestyle, so does Obamas.They preach the left wing ideology so people like you can suck it up and give those tyrants the lifestyle no average left, right or middle winger will ever see.
CyanoticFuture 1 month ago
@agent1442 That redistribution was done through the power of government (left-wing style). The Nazis stole from rich people who earned their wealth through hard work or a good business model and gave it to those who got to a high government position through ruthlessness. Just like what Mao Zedong, Lenin/Stalin, Castro, etc. did.
You still see it happening today in the PRC, where the richest people are also the highest ranking officials.
Tezcatlepocatl 1 month ago
@agent1442 What the fuck are you even talking about.
oiaughwea 1 month ago
@Tezcatlepocatl that story that somehow the extreme right-wingers of the nazi party are SOMEHOW left is proof of the lack of education in the us. republicans are dumber than democrats and that's why they will never stop voting republican. greets from germany! also: hitler was no atheist. i read the book. HE says that he believes in god, ok!? no matter what fox news says! i guess hitler knew what he thought, OK!? OKAY!? stop being stupid, vote responsible, vote anti-stupid! BO '12
UberTankred 1 month ago
@UberTankred You're wrong. It sprang from cultural differences. The American definition of conservatism includes trust on the free market over the government, and putting the individual over the group. Nazis believed in neither of those things, just like American leftists don't, so we see them as leftists.
I'm an agnostic Republican, and I would rather eat lead than listen to Fox News, but I'd shoot my leg off before voting for Obama.
P.S. Good luck bailing out the rest of Europe.
Tezcatlepocatl 1 month ago
@Tezcatlepocatl honestly, what do you guys do in school all day long? read the bible?
UberTankred 1 month ago
@UberTankred
I guess ad-hominem attacks based on your own skewed misconception of what an American Conservative is like is the best you can come up with? So much for being anti-stupid.
If you love Obama so much, move to the U.S., donate to his campaign, become a citizen and vote for him. I won't.
Tezcatlepocatl 1 month ago
@Tezcatlepocatl I'll do it!
UberTankred 1 month ago
@DefconBravo so you think, knock, knock, you're comin' with us mate, you got no guns and no say, LOL!
mrbadx19 1 month ago
@mrbadx19 As opposed to in america, where the police would knock on your door, say you're comin' with us...oh no wait, you've got guns, nevermind we'll leave you alone then. Seriously how is a handgun gonna protect your rights as a citizen? You gonna shoot the cop who comes to arrest you? What about his partner? What about the other 6 squad cars that are gonna arrive. You gonna shoot them with a rifle? what about swat, the FBI, what about the army. Pistols dont overthrow governments.
DefconBravo 1 month ago
I like guns, but they're really loud
bateryacidinc 1 month ago
@Ztiller1991, So in the entire history of Sweden, there has never been a home invasion that has resulted in a rape or murder, or simply a robbery? Because I also live in a country that has quite tight gun restrictions, but there are still robberies, rapes and murders. And I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have a gun than have to rely on the fact the intruder isn't willing to use violence to defend myself. Even if 95% of the time he isn't, I don't want to be part of the 5% where he is.
coqmuncher 1 month ago
@coqmuncher You've said it about as concisely as I've seen so far. I don't know why this logic is so absurd to so many people.
slightlyoutofreach01 1 month ago
@coqmuncher lol no violence. just lay back and let the rape happen.
7255202 1 month ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 OFcourse. I accept your opinion, and i respect that you have one. But i do not respect that opinion in itself. Mostly because it's based on propagande and brainwashing. Just look how you immediately called me a nazi or communist the second i talked about gun restrictions being beneficial. You have been spoonfed "All non american is nazism/bad" since you were a child. Thus you react that way without even knowing fully what you're talking about. Thus i do not respect the opinion
Ztiller1991 1 month ago
@Ztiller1991 Actually I have done extensive research on gun control. I was not referring to you as a Nazi or Soviet, I was simply saying that by not owning guns it is much easier for someone like Hitler or Stalin to take over. It was a reference to being able to fight tyranny is faced with it again. I have actually not taken this out of emotion but all the facts I see show gun control as an utter failure and disgrace to humanity, which with it's presence has allowed millions of innocent to die.
Nuclearwarhead357 1 month ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 Giving the germans guns would have stopped hitler? Here's a man who's clearly never studied history academically.
DefconBravo 1 month ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 You told me to go stand with Hitler and Stalin etc. I would say that is calling me a nazi.
A working democracy and good public education, which you lack, is the only true defense against tyrants. Ignorance is the path they take to power. You owning a rifle will not prevent anything. I would say the opposite, and say that sweden is the perfect example of gun control not being a failure, nor having lead to millions of deaths. In the US, 30k are kill annualy by guns. In sweden, 3
Ztiller1991 1 month ago 11
@Ztiller1991 I said stand on the same side of the room, as in that issue. Which the Nazis and Soviets did advocate gun control. Law abiding citizens having guns does make a difference. There is a reason an invasion of the USA would never work, I doubt that Sweden would be able to resist. Those deaths are the results of criminals, not guns. Criminals kill and commit crimes, there is no way to change that. but banning guns would only worsen the crime rate.
Nuclearwarhead357 1 month ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 COuld you point me at a source which proves the Nazis advocated gun control? Also, you have more in similar with them than we have, in terms of your whole economy being built up on warfare.
Ah yes, the "invasion" of the US. The invasion that have never happened, and probably never will. Sweden havn't been invaded in 200+ years, just like you. Sure, we couldn't defend yourself. But thats not because the people doesn't have weapons. Its because we lack military power overall.
Ztiller1991 1 month ago
@Nuclearwarhead357 No. Those deaths are because of criminals and accidents. And thats completely irrelevant, due to the fact that your murder rates are so insanely much higher than ours. IT doesn't matter if its "criminals" or not. What matters is that it happens in the US, but no in Sweden. Criminals commit crimes in sweden aswell. Difference be that they can do it without killing anyone.
Just look at the other scandinavian counties.Theyre pretty much the same.
Ztiller1991 1 month ago
@Ztiller1991 Now your comparing the psychology and saying that Americans are more violent. Which I am not disagreeing with you at this point, but the purpose of my initial comment was to comment on the effects of gun control. Because by banning guns your not going to disarm criminals or violent criminals don't just disappear. Therefore law abiding citizens need to arm themselves to defend themselves. At least guns are an equalizer. Better then criminals going after women or the elderly.
Nuclearwarhead357 1 month ago
@Ztiller1991 Not everything is comparable to Sweden. As you accused me of only focusing on the US. I suggest you receive some more general gun statistics and bring in other variables.
Nuclearwarhead357 1 month ago
@Ztiller1991 and in Switzerland all the men are given full auto rifles, and they have no crime. most of the crime statistics in the US comes from gangs fighting each other. i haven't had a single one of my guns cause any crime yet, so guns clearly dont cause crime.
BigSean1992 1 month ago
@Ztiller1991 The problem is that the guns are already here in the US, and if we ban them a black market will form similar to those of marijuana now and alcohol in the 30s. DC and Detroit have very strict gun laws and have some of the worst murder rates in the country. I personally believe that firearm safety should be a mandatory class in schools, as the second amendment and the declaration of independence illustrate that the right to bear arms was necessary to preserving freedom.
amtoyumtimmy 1 month ago
@amtoyumtimmy What about future generations? Do you want them to grow up in a country where gun violence is everyday news? If you want to decrease the amount of guns available in the US that's a long and hard road you have to walk indeed but in the end you can have a better, safer country.
Saying that the problem is already there and that it's too late, where does that take us if we apply that kind of thinking on the environment?
FatalCroissant 1 month ago
@FatalCroissant You forget that there's always the black market. Some asshole once thought it was a good idea to illegalize marijuana, now there's a huge, violent black market for it. If we illegalize guns, a huge black market for them will form and people will continue to die, except this time no one will be able to protect themselves. Criminals look for victims, and if most people have guns there won't be any victims. Also, the maintenance of freedom. Y'know.
amtoyumtimmy 1 month ago
@amtoyumtimmy I don't think you can compare cannabis to guns. Ganja is illegalized on bad grounds. Therefore people care less about its legality and demand it anyway. Alcohol is a bigger threat to society than weed but not illegalized for cultural reasons. If it was also to be illegalized it would birth a huge black market.
Guns are different, what need do they fill? The reasons for outlawing them are well founded.
I just don't think America needs its guns as much as it needs its pot. ;)
FatalCroissant 1 month ago
@FatalCroissant Alcohol already has been illegalized, that's where the mob came from. Guns are a much more integral part of American culture than marijuana, and just because you like marijuana more than guns doesn't give you the right to say that people should get marijuana and not guns. A massive black market will form for guns, and people will die because of it. Only criminals will have access to guns, and law abiding citizens will all be victims for it.
amtoyumtimmy 1 month ago
@amtoyumtimmy The crime rates in the US, especially homicide, are realitively high compared to many other industrialized countries. You're saying that law abiding citizens carrying guns is what's holding it back from being even worse? The average Joe does not reduce crime rates or makes the country a safer place by owning guns himself.
I'm not saying that people should replace guns with drugs as I am against both but at least Cannabis is incapable of directly killing anyone.
FatalCroissant 1 month ago
@Ztiller1991 OH, oh no...a pissant brainwashed dumdum speaking bad about guns...again.....are you a conservative..liberal..libertarian?...matters not....you seem to have an issue with..guns.1st fact .Sweden doesnt have 1/10 the population the US does so any crime stats are very subjective at best when comparing the 2 nations. 2. You speak of the Swedes as the epitome of gun control and keeping firearms out of the hands of most citizens...1 word to answer you.Switzerland.
CyanoticFuture 1 month ago
@CyanoticFuture Switzerland has a lower overall crime rate than germany, and yet they have a higher rate of gun crime. Why? because people have more guns. If you get rid of crime, you get rid of gun crime. If you get rid of guns, you get rid of gun crime. Its a lot easier to get rid of guns than it is to get rid of crime. So lets start with that.
DefconBravo 1 month ago
@DefconBravo Uh, just quickly, guns in the hands of criminals doesn't chance with guns being outlawed. Turns out criminals don't follow the laws :O
And if someone is going to murder someone else, gun or not, they're gonna do it. Alot of the stuff people claim wouldn't happen without guns would most likely just happen with knives instead.
Guns don't kill people, crazy / angry people kill people.
WirlWind494 1 month ago
@WirlWind494 Yes, you would have school knifings instead. Clearly an equally effective way to kill and threaten big groups of people. >_<
FatalCroissant 1 month ago
@FatalCroissant Note I said "alot" not "everything".
WirlWind494 1 month ago
@WirlWind494 Then I apologize for my sarcastic message, I didn't see that.
On a side note though, the only "gun crimes" I can see replaced with knives are robberies. I would guess it's much harder to stab someone than to shoot someone but I can't say for sure since I've tried neither.
FatalCroissant 1 month ago
@FatalCroissant Well there are other things that would be replaced with knives / chainsaws / etc.
For instance, there could still be school knifings. Granted, probably won't be as bad as the shootings, but it's potentially easier to rack up more kills due to it being silent, no-one will know to run because of "shots fired".
But I meant more like instead of gun suicide, they might cut their wrists. Robberies too, rapes, murders (both premed and passion crimes).
WirlWind494 1 month ago
@WirlWind494 Not sure of the exact details, but i do remember one of the biggest school massacres took place some years back in China.Number of dead = much more than Columbine, around 60 i think. Weapon used ...machete.
CyanoticFuture 1 month ago
@CyanoticFuture Christ, totally missed that one while looking it up, that's what I meant about potentially more kills than a gun. You could potentially walk room to room and slaughter everyone in there and the room 2 down wouldn't hear it.
As I said earlier, guns don't kill people. Crazy people kill people.
WirlWind494 1 month ago
@WirlWind494 Also in 2010 8 Chinese kids were killed by a man with a knife at a school. But thats not a sensational story involving guns..so i guess no one cares...
CyanoticFuture 1 month ago
@FatalCroissant One of the big things Australian media touted after coming down hard on guns here was suddenly shooting suicides went down, but when one looks, you'll find that other suicide methods actually rose, so it didn't really prevent anything, except maybe a quick and painless death for some troubled people.
WirlWind494 1 month ago
@WirlWind494 Well suicide is in it's own category and it's self-explanatory that someone who is intending to opt out is going to do it no matter the means necessary. Suicide is also not a crime and I can't see how it could be regarded as such.
Knives could never cause the massacres that are school shootings, that's a ridiculous idea. Here there's never been a school shooting cause we don't have guns but there's never been a school knifing either eventhough we have knives.
FatalCroissant 1 month ago
@FatalCroissant I said knife killings wouldn't be as bad, but could 'potentially' be, due to the lack of "bang bang bang".
Actually, the easiest way to kill alot of people would be explosives.
And just because you've never had a school massacre there, doesn't mean you won't ever. Thankfully, mass murders aren't that common, but they do happen with knives (2 in Japan I know of atleast).
And the suicide falls under the category of "gun deaths" which do usually include these.
WirlWind494 1 month ago
@WirlWind494 I don't understand why you cling on to your guns so hard. Because of a law that was founded when your country stood on the brink of civil war and militia was a necessity? Back then a gun could fire one bullet and then took a minute to reload.
Why make it easier for criminals to obtain guns when you could outlaw guns with no valid purpose thus forcing criminals to circumvent the system and risking getting arrested solely for owning said guns.
FatalCroissant 1 month ago
@FatalCroissant And also, I'm not American. I don't live there, I don't intend to live there. I live in Australia and it's hard to get guns here.
Sure, it's a little harder for criminals to get guns with strict laws, but like I said, that won't stop them from getting them if they really want to, nor will it prevent alot of crimes that might have used them if they were readily available.
And it's in the constitution for if the government ever becomes tyrannical, they can fight.
WirlWind494 1 month ago
@WirlWind494 Sure, criminals that really want guns are going to get them, one way or the other. But I still think lots of the "ordinary" criminals would be left without. The ones that kind of want them but can't be bothered by the process of obtaining them.
Also not having guns in the hands of ordinary citizens is a huge plus. A good citizen can so easily change category to criminal when there's a gun in his hand. All it takes is a threatening situation and a bad decision.
FatalCroissant 1 month ago
@FatalCroissant That's a ridiculous view of the world, someone doesn't just decide not to kill someone because it's slightly inconvenient. If they're at the point that they're willing to use lethal force, they're willing to spend the small inconvenience of going through their local black market to acquire one. And guns aren't magical violence creators, most gun owners, and there a lot of them, are good citizens with or without guns.
amtoyumtimmy 1 month ago
@amtoyumtimmy Of course murderers are going to realize their plans. But I am convinced that there are plenty of killings, not based on murderous intent, that could've been prevented, had there not been guns involved.
A black market might form but the amount of guns in circulation would drop drastically. In Sweden, only hunting rifles are allowed and eventhough there surely is a black market for illegal firearms, there's very little gun violence, not due to lack of criminals but to lack of guns.
FatalCroissant 1 month ago
@FatalCroissant Honduras had 86 murders per 100,000 people in 2011, and 6.2 firearms per 100 people. Austria had .56 murders per 100,000 people and 30.4 guns per 100 people. Guns don't kill people, people do.
amtoyumtimmy 1 month ago
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hellrazor117 1 month ago