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  • all of this sceince fiction people beleive why not believe what you know there is no way around it everything is a map to your inner being alot of people mis guiding others educate one self dont beieve the bible literally take it as a puzzle or map of sorts like a puzzle-map only you can save yourself jesus was just trying to show you how THINK IN REALITY are you experienced?

  • @moonshadowcastle Right, and we're gonna believe in you, huh? Sounds to me like you're the one who's puzzled in thinking. If you're verses in Scripture you know that certain things are literal and others are figurative. The Holy Bible is replete with all sorts of language expression: prose, poems, parables, symbolism, metaphors, etc. One has to be wise and know how to discern what is read. I suggest you don't continue in your way of thinking and study Scripture with the aid of God's Holy Spirit.

  • @moonshadowcastle Jesus said that He is the Savior. Nothing you can do can save you. Don't be deceived. ~John 3:16. Repent from any sinful lifestyle and adhere to the law of Christ: love one another as He has loved us. ~John 13:34. Then you will have eternal life through Christ. Nothing else will save you from yourself. The world is deceived. Satan rules the spiritual lives of many. Only in Jesus Christ is there salvation of the soul from hellfire. ~John 14:6 God bless.

  • (continued).....The Vatican will be nuked by islamic terrorists who work for the Antichrist. That's how I see Revelation 17.

  • @Nashhinton You've got to see it Biblically... This should have been able to be determined by those contemporary to the time, the symbols. Why? Because it was the Revelation of Jesus Christ, not the mystery of Jesus Christ, right? It even references Daniel, and claims to be what Daniel was not allowed to talk about:

    Daniel 12:4, "But you, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased."

    Then, ahead...

  • @krononomikon ...Revelation 22:10, "And he said to me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand."

    An example of symbolism that can be misunderstood is for instance where, in Rev. 8:8 it says something like a mountain all ablaze was thrown into the sea. People may think "a meteorite!", but it is a reference to destruction in Babylon in Jeremiah 51, especially verses 25 + 26.

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  • I mean, it should become common sense when you read... the whole reason WHY Jesus returns is to destroy the wicked in order that His chosen might be redeemed from the earth!

    Revelation 10:6,7 = No more delay! When the seventh trumpet is about to sound, the mystery of God will be completed.

    Rev. 18:20 = Babylon is being treated how SHE TREATED YOU SAINTS

    elsewhere, the beast having authority to kill those who don't worship him, and also...

    Matthew 24:22 = Rev. 10:6 = for the sake of the elect

  • Can someone please tell me why the Christians killed during the Tribulation Period are not Raptured (taken to Heaven)? Revelation 20:4-6 Thank you

  • I disagree wtih you 1st we are not appointed to wrath.,

    1- Study ancient Jewish wedding where the groom takes the bride away for 7 days then comes to publicly declare their marriage- you need to study this.

    2- Feasts of the Jews - Jesus fulfilled some of them the next one is Feast of Trumpets Rosh Hashana where 2 witness view the new moon

    3- The Trump of God refer to Trump of God not trump of the angles of Revelation. God also sounded his trump once previously in the old Testament

  • The bride of christ: the New Jerusalem and the true christian group.

    The whore of Babylon: The city of Rome and the false christian group.

  • @Nashhinton with one correction: the king of the Beast during John's time was Rome, and Babylon was Jerusalem, also called "The Great City". That's why the Great City had "Fallen" - it fell from a high state, and Jerusalem constantly martyred the prophets sent to her, (also called Sodom and Egypt, where Jesus was crucified) and so the devil-worshipers will continue to kill God's people.

    When the beast, one of the first 5 of the Beast is revived, that will be the blaspheming nation + man of sin

  • @krononomikon, There are problems with Mystery Babylon being Jerusalem. The text says that the merchants will be standing off the sea looking at her destruction. One cannot look from a sea port all the way towards Jerusalem. One can however do that with Rome. Also, the symbolism correctly corresponds to the Catholic church. For example, Revelation 17 says that her influence is global, by saying that she sits on many peoples (waters). Also, the list of items of trade only applies to Rome.

  • @Nashhinton It's a reference to Ezekiel 27, where there is a literal prophecy against Tyre, but figuratively against "mystery Babylon". He says of Tyre, in Ezekiel 27:25 onward, especially 29 and 30, what you had mentioned. Tyre was situated offshore, but if we're to take Babylon as literally by the sea, then Babylon also has to be a world trade center. Since USA is #1 in trade and Japan is #2 from what I understand, Babylon would be closer to Japan than Rome!

  • @krononomikon, The items of trade found in Revelation 18 only apply to ROME. They even apply today. Look at the trade industry of Rome on Google. Japan doesnt have a large amount of ivory exports. Let's face it, the Catholic Church is a pagan church. In Revelation 18, it talks about how the city deceived the nations with it's sorceries and false rituals. A woman in Revelation always represents a religious group. Rome sits on seven hills.

  • @Nashhinton I understand it as being symbolic of her "harlotries" that she did with the nations. It takes a faithful (like the church, or believers, such as Israel) to commit harlotry, because they cheat on God with the nations. These types of things, as I understand it, were also told to be the same as in the earlier scriptures. I hope that it helps.

  • @krononomikon whoops! by "faithful", I meant in quotes "believing", like a so-called faithful person - not an actual faithful person, because they wouldn't abandon God! :D

  • I agree with everything in this video but I'm a bit confused.

    Do you believe tribulation is 7 years or 3 1/2 years? I believe the latter makes more sense because the the scripture makes a distinction between tribulation and the Abomination of Desolation. That's why everyone left behind at the 7th trumpet is doomed. Just like the days of Noah and Lot.

    Tell me what you think.

  • @ak47CANNON Check out Luke 17:37...And they answered and said unto him, "Where Lord?" (where are the people TAKEN, since they already knew where those are that are left behind, ...bed, grinding, field,).

    And he said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."

    (So...those that are taken, are taken to death and destruction. Everyone left behind will actually be the saved as those taken are where the eagles (vultures) are gathered, ie; dead.

  • The scripture doesnt say the entire church will reign with Christ 1000 years. Rev 20:14 says the ones who will reign are those who were "beheaded for the witness of Jesus and the Word of God, as well as the ones who do not take the mark of the beast and are killed." These are the saints.

  • Rev 20: 4 & 5 - talks about the first resurrection and how this resurrection takes place after the mark of the beast and at the time the devil is chained for 1000 years. 1 Thes 4:16 & 17 says the dead in Christ rise before the living are caught up to meet the Lord. The second resurrection doesnt happen till after the 1000 years Rev 20:13.

  • Nobody can expect the rapture if you do not have full understanding of the Word of Grace This is the part that says: The woman will be saved through the light .. and the church / Christian will be saved with the full understanding of the Word.

  • Awesome truth, That is exactly what I believe. Revelation ch 19 through 22 is written in chronological order in the sequence the events occur. Starting with the church in heaven at the marriage supper then the battle of armageddon and satan is bound then the 1000 year reign, the "first ressurection" needs to be explained, it not the first as 1,2,3, but in the greek the word first is a contracted superlative that means the best of all the former. Look it up in the greek! God bless,

  • @zzzodc This isn't entirely what I get from the passage. The voices in heaven are simply saints who have previously died - not the church.The marriage (rapture) occurs at the second coming of Christ who is on his way to Armageddon. The church doesn't actually go to the third heaven at the rapture. She will be caught up to meet the Lord as He goes to Jerusalem to slaughter Satan's armies.Heaven will then be on earth throughout the millennial reigna although there will probably access to the 3rd.

  • @skydiver626 Well stated! Pre-tribe Christians tend to get all caught up with the symbolisms of Revelation, rather than focus on the plain text of Matthew chapter 24, 1 Corinthians 15:20-58, 1st Thessalonians 4:13-18 & 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-12, & more. The Rapture & Second Coming are NOT two separate events! Pre-tribe isn't biblically sound doctrine. Christ will return on the Last Day... the Lord's Day. He will comes for His church with His powerful holy angels & shall destroy the wicked.

  • Mathew 3:12 uses a metaphore to depict the angels are the ones who gather. Even in chptr 13 describes it and confirms in 24:27-31. Certainly this earth will not survive his one appearence so any trib period will not occure after his appearance . 2 Peter 3:10, Isa 64:1-6, Ps 50:1-3 68:1-3 all are some verses that shows the scenario will be catastrophic when he appears. Even 2 thess 1:8-9 2:8-9 too. The prophets of old are correct, we in the USA think who different then the word says are in danger

  • excellent

  • Very soon u are going to see that it was u that was brainwashed. What's the different between a word and the meaning of a word? Caught up is the meaning of rapture, so if u don't go along with the word rapture, u can't deny the meaning of the word that's in there. Trinity and Bible is not in the Bible, and u believe those words. See how crazy it is? Where do it say, demons in the Bible? Do u believe in demons? U going to be so sorry doubting God can deliver and set free. Study study study

  • Chuck Missler has an interesting series on here that uses the wedding model to support a pre-trib "rapture."

  • @whatisreal4real Are you believig Missler over the bible? I hope not.  He's a disinformer.

  • @mattandpatti222 I believe no man "over the bible." But an educated and intelligent man with an opinion does not always have to be an agent of the devil if you don't agree with him. Anybody can "prove" pre, mid, or post trib with scripture. That's why it will only be proven when all is said and done. I think we're all wrong, honestly. I just said he has an interesting series, not that it was right.

  • I just love this truth!

  • Ya know what I will just wait on Jesus weather its before or after I will wait,, if I lose my head in the trib or fly before I will wait,, Its his will not mine anyway praise Jesus not my will but his be done AMEN!!

  • one problem. about 144,000 Jewish with seal and preach to the wide wide. but Our Christian real born again preach since thought GT. what happen 144, 000 preach to born again did preach will be different! but I believe Church ago gone. then 144,000 seal got job in Great Trib.

  • excellent video

  • Great post. These verses really does make sense in its original order... You didn't use verses to try to fit your theory but you use verses to try to explain exactly what Jesus said...“Immediately after the tribulation of those days..."

    Keep up the good work and keep the truth coming. It seems you are correct about the wrath of God and the great tribulation being two different and separate events. God bless you. You really gave insight to the scriptures.

  • Thank you for posting this- your right I absolutely agree.... Thanks ! I have never found the word rapture in my Bible but I do agree with all your saying...

  • Once again, informative as ever. The truth is more precious than many realize; knowledge is not power, but knowledge with understanding is wisdom, there is the real power! and that power is the Spirit of Truth which is Christ.

  • I also have prepared a powerpoint presentation comparing Rev. 14 and 19.

    I am at present preparing a dvd on the post tribulation rapture.

  • Terrific presentation! Where do you get this excellent music from?

  • PART 3.

    Verses 10-16 come in the middle of these verses and are not to be broken up, it's all to be read together.

    The marriage supper of the Lamb is at the Lord's second coming, His one and only second coming.

    Praise His Holy Name!!!

  • PART 2.

    And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

    That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.

    Revelation 19:17-18.

  • PART 1.

    And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.

    Revelation 19:9.

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  • OUTSTANDING Work! Praise God for your gift of succinctly laying out the obvious (obvious to those with ears to hear and eyes to see)

  • Actually. any reference to a "rapture" is weak, biblically speaking. The second coming and so-called rapture is a single event. If you think GOD is going to protect you from the lions, in the Roman arenas, you would be wrong. If you think GOD is going to protect you from the coming test of faith...you would be wrong.

  • I agree. I am not a proponent of the word "rapture" whatsoever. I believe it has become a trigger word that has many brainwashed into believing a pre-trib escape. Biblically it's more suited as being labeled a gathering. That's what Paul called it.

  • @Eraserlips U are the one that's going to be wrong. U not reading or understanding prophecy. Revelation 3:10 from, not through. God has not appointed the church to wrath. I know u not going to see it, but it's ok, u will see it later. God bless you through his wrath.

  • @Eraserlips they can't be the same event, because Paul said we are not appointed to wrath. The church will not go thro the wrath, look it up for yourself. God bless you in your search.

  • you do not know the truth the is a pre trib

  • If there is a post-tribulatio rapture, then who are the children who are born and die during the Millennium period?

  • @spreadthegospel he has a video on that

  • Great video, agree 100%

    What is the music playing in this video, it's beautiful.

  • The timetable consists of 7 years of tribulation, or testing of the church, then 1 year of wrath on earth and marriage supper in heaven, for a total of 8 years.

    Daniels 70th week (7 days) are the 7 years of tribulation.

    The Great (marriage) and Terrible (wrath) Day of the Lord is the 8th year, Isa 63:4, Isa 34:8

    Rapture occurs at the beginning of the Day of the Lord, after the tribulation, Matt 24:15-31.

    The 2nd coming is at the end of the Day of the Lord.

    I can provide scriptural proof.

  • Thanks skydiver. I could only wish that there were more videos like yours on the Internet. God bless you brother for laying out the TRUTH here where anyone who wants to hear the TRUTH, can.

  • Excellent!! The truth is spoken here.

  • Very good once again Skydiver626 keep up the good work!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Skydiver -- Another excellent presentation of the truth.  May God bless you and your ministry.

  • Clear presentation of Bible truth!

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