@ChipArgyle False. The assumption that an infinitely perfect intelligence can be wrong is, in reality, the height of human arrogance, as even the most common of sense can realize.
@ChipArgyle I disagree. We live our whole life on Earth. We walk around, and we see mountains, oceans, forests, flowers, animals, life and death, and we are staggered by the immenceness of everything on Earth. Then we look upwards, and we see the Sun, the Moon, and several thousand tiny little stars all moving in circles around us. Anyone, arrogant or not, would conclude that the Earth is in the center.
@Erufailon42 Ever heard of science? There 's a whole body of knowledge there that says you're incorrect in your assertion. We have these things called satellites that take pictures that confirm we are not the center of the universe. If you were correct, everything past Uranus would be orbiting us faster than the speed of light, which is not possible.
@ChipArgyle *sigh* My point was that the ancient Greeks did not have these books, satellites or even science to help them. You pass judgement on people in the past based on what you know to be "right". If anything showcases human arrogance it's our tendency to do just that.
@Erufailon42 You may not have noticed, but there are people here who continue to believe this. Your point wasn't made clearly. You might just as well have been Bill O'Reilly out for an evening stroll rather than someone emulating the mindset of an ancient Greek for all we knew.
@ChipArgyle Sure, but I replyed to a comment where you attacked the concept of geocentrisism as arrogant. I assumed you meant in the past, not in the present
I am not bashing, but challenging to think further. Or if I am bashing anything, it is not them, it is their teachers. I think their teachers are jerks for too superficial or even (it is a month ago or more, I don't remember) false teaching. As for the adolescent students, I am challenging them to think a little further. Which I did, and I have no ph. d. in astronomy either.
Challenge 4: Galileo agreed with St Robert Bellarmine (1611 trial) that if earth moves around sun, the stars not moving around would appear to be moving because observed from earth, but argued that this was not seen due to weakness of telescopes. The answer was: then you have not proven your theory. Has it been proven since on this account?
@hglundahl You know your a duche right, I mean come on! These are kids and it's probably like a project or something, what are you expecting them to have a p.h.d. in astronomy? Is this how you like to spend your day, bashing on kids' school projects? Jerk.
Challenge 3: Galileo was proven wrong about tides by predicting a behaviour which a Portuguese cardinal trying him knew not to be their behaviour - has Galileo's theory on tides stood the test of time after some modification?
Challenge 2: Phases of Venus (as seen by Galileo) do prove Ptolemy wrong about its orbit supposedly around earth directly - but do they prove also Tycho Brahe wrong?
Challenge 2 b: Moons of Jupiter do prove Ptolemy wrong about Earth being only body around which any body orbits. But do they prove also Tycho Brahe wrong?
Challenge 1: you know about Ptolemy and Copernicus, how come you do not know about Tycho Brahe (moon, sun and starry heaven orbit earth, but mercury, venus orbit sun so as to get between it and us, and mars, jupiter, saturn (by extension asteroids, neptune, uranus, pluto) orbit sun as to get us between it and them when on same side of sun as we.
my question... how did knowing about venus's phases prove the sun is in the center? how do we know by our telescopes and modern technology heliocentrism is correct. not that i don't believe it, but i want more evidence other than, "today everyone knows...", but why do they know?
@CLColegrove how did knowing about venus's phases prove the sun is in the center?
It doesn't. At least not in the Tycho Brahe (TB) geocentric model. The relationship of ALL planets are identical in both helio and TB models.
TB is the only possible geostatic (non-rotating) geocentric model. Worse for geos, geosynchronous satelittes prove aether cannot exist, so there's no "cement" holding everything together; therefore the universe has to be very tiny for a 24-hour rotation.
For more on science & nature try books by top scientists; astronomer Victor J. Stenger, ' Fallacy of fine tuning ', Richard Dawkins, ' Unweaving the rainbow ' & ' The greatest show on earth ' & PZ Meyers & the website Talkorigins
The theory is much older than Ptolemy. Ptolemy was the first to use observations combined with Apollonius' model for eccentrics and deferents to make a successful predictive model for the solar system based on pseudo-geocentrism.
Martianus Capella was the first to proposed that Venus and Mercury revolved around the sun. al-Shatir ignored this and simplified Ptolemy's model to be purely geocentric using just eccentrics. Copernicus, aware of both then proposed heliocentrism.
@preykiller101 The heliocentric is the true one. The earth orbits around the sun which in turn orbits around the centre of the galaxy like all the other stars in the milky way
Galileo had good reason to support the heliocentric model. He based his ideas on actual measurements. There were two things that he found that really support this. One is the discovery of the "Galilean" moons of Jupiter which exhibit a planetary system. The second was the observation of the phases of Venus, especially the fact that Venus is far brighter as a crescent than it is when (nearly) full.
Honestly how would a person looking up from earth know that the earth revolves around the sun as opposed to the sun rises around the earth/? THe onlly thing i see is animations of how it supposed to work but nothing that i can look at across the solar system and see that its set up thgat waty
Corpernicus, Gallileo, newton, freud, have all come up with new ways to dismiss the power of God. God does not have mass media supporters on earth to promote his idea since we have become to modern and cannot comprehend that an all powerful being can do what he did in bringing the universe here..I still here even today that there is no full way of finding prove of the helliocetric theorie
Def cool video and set up for easy understanding. But I must go back to the heliocentric theoric and how Coorpernicus was able to figure it out without beinb in space. Corpernicus was into the occult and this is where he formed his ideas. The kabbalah talks about the universe having started in one singular event (Big Bag) this is where keepler got that idea..basically the science is coming from other religions which are against christianity
Just can't believe north-americans still argue about what scientific theories are. Wach House MD. He'll explain to you what it means. Science it's not about truth or lie. It's about what theory explain better our wolrd. Of course a theory can change - like our own world. God! I thought only third wolrd people do not have apropriate school education. I'm brazilian. I know what I'm talking about
...I also hate the Greeks... but I can make exceptions... hmmm... and there HAS to be a conspiracy about that portrait with that dude holding that satanic rules... haha
...............and ...I don't trust Scientists or Religious people who think with their head... for I... I think with my pride... and I trust nobody... hmmm...except the wolves!
If the Sun is not the center of our system then that would mean that one year is one the sun orbits us instead of us orbiting the sun? Is there any way that calculation would be wrong? How would Jupiter be closer too us as it is right now if the Earth is at the center?
Well... proving that Venus and Mercury orbit the Sun is quite different from proving that the Earth and all the other planets also do... so your claim about Galileo isn't very accurate.
.the notion of black hole mean that it has a mass and if the light may be absorbed by the black holes; why it cannot be curved by the black holes and the stars in its arriving to the earth?...I mean; did we make mistakes in our estimation of the stars position? And if the light can be absorbed by a black hole weighting 8 times our sun; why it cannot be curved by our sun ?and why the light speed in vacuum cannot increase if we go to a black hole?
What???? I've seen your video in your channel, what is all that about? What has a black hole bending light got to do with the sun going around the earth??
"did we make mistakes in our estimation of the stars position?"
Would you care to give any information whatsoever which might make us suspect the stars are revolving around the earth a few million miles away? Which is what I am presuming you are proposing.
The concept of geocentrism is the height of human arrogance. Why would the entire universe rotate around a single, insignificant planet such as ours?
ChipArgyle 1 month ago
@ChipArgyle False. The assumption that an infinitely perfect intelligence can be wrong is, in reality, the height of human arrogance, as even the most common of sense can realize.
MConstantine17 1 month ago
@MConstantine17 False: the assumption of an infinitely perfect intelligence.
ChipArgyle 1 month ago
@ChipArgyle I disagree. We live our whole life on Earth. We walk around, and we see mountains, oceans, forests, flowers, animals, life and death, and we are staggered by the immenceness of everything on Earth. Then we look upwards, and we see the Sun, the Moon, and several thousand tiny little stars all moving in circles around us. Anyone, arrogant or not, would conclude that the Earth is in the center.
Erufailon42 3 weeks ago
@Erufailon42 Ever heard of science? There 's a whole body of knowledge there that says you're incorrect in your assertion. We have these things called satellites that take pictures that confirm we are not the center of the universe. If you were correct, everything past Uranus would be orbiting us faster than the speed of light, which is not possible.
Time to crack a book!
ChipArgyle 3 weeks ago
@ChipArgyle *sigh* My point was that the ancient Greeks did not have these books, satellites or even science to help them. You pass judgement on people in the past based on what you know to be "right". If anything showcases human arrogance it's our tendency to do just that.
Erufailon42 3 weeks ago
@Erufailon42 You may not have noticed, but there are people here who continue to believe this. Your point wasn't made clearly. You might just as well have been Bill O'Reilly out for an evening stroll rather than someone emulating the mindset of an ancient Greek for all we knew.
ChipArgyle 3 weeks ago
@ChipArgyle Sure, but I replyed to a comment where you attacked the concept of geocentrisism as arrogant. I assumed you meant in the past, not in the present
Erufailon42 3 weeks ago
@Erufailon42 I hear you. Sure, it made perfect sense in the past. Heck, I'm spinning around an axis at 1000 miles per hour and I can't feel a thing.
ChipArgyle 3 weeks ago
I am not bashing, but challenging to think further. Or if I am bashing anything, it is not them, it is their teachers. I think their teachers are jerks for too superficial or even (it is a month ago or more, I don't remember) false teaching. As for the adolescent students, I am challenging them to think a little further. Which I did, and I have no ph. d. in astronomy either.
hglundahl 2 months ago
This is good
Hellishcrusade 3 months ago
Hey Jerks these are kids! Furthermore they didn't even have to do this so stop baggin on them. I bet you can't even make this cool a video...
GMAN91024 3 months ago
Challenge 4: Galileo agreed with St Robert Bellarmine (1611 trial) that if earth moves around sun, the stars not moving around would appear to be moving because observed from earth, but argued that this was not seen due to weakness of telescopes. The answer was: then you have not proven your theory. Has it been proven since on this account?
hglundahl 4 months ago
@hglundahl You know your a duche right, I mean come on! These are kids and it's probably like a project or something, what are you expecting them to have a p.h.d. in astronomy? Is this how you like to spend your day, bashing on kids' school projects? Jerk.
WMcalMW 2 months ago
Challenge 3: Galileo was proven wrong about tides by predicting a behaviour which a Portuguese cardinal trying him knew not to be their behaviour - has Galileo's theory on tides stood the test of time after some modification?
hglundahl 4 months ago
Challenge 2: Phases of Venus (as seen by Galileo) do prove Ptolemy wrong about its orbit supposedly around earth directly - but do they prove also Tycho Brahe wrong?
Challenge 2 b: Moons of Jupiter do prove Ptolemy wrong about Earth being only body around which any body orbits. But do they prove also Tycho Brahe wrong?
hglundahl 4 months ago
Challenge 1: you know about Ptolemy and Copernicus, how come you do not know about Tycho Brahe (moon, sun and starry heaven orbit earth, but mercury, venus orbit sun so as to get between it and us, and mars, jupiter, saturn (by extension asteroids, neptune, uranus, pluto) orbit sun as to get us between it and them when on same side of sun as we.
hglundahl 4 months ago
my question... how did knowing about venus's phases prove the sun is in the center? how do we know by our telescopes and modern technology heliocentrism is correct. not that i don't believe it, but i want more evidence other than, "today everyone knows...", but why do they know?
CLColegrove 4 months ago
@CLColegrove how did knowing about venus's phases prove the sun is in the center?
It doesn't. At least not in the Tycho Brahe (TB) geocentric model. The relationship of ALL planets are identical in both helio and TB models.
TB is the only possible geostatic (non-rotating) geocentric model. Worse for geos, geosynchronous satelittes prove aether cannot exist, so there's no "cement" holding everything together; therefore the universe has to be very tiny for a 24-hour rotation.
gr8vibes2 4 months ago
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For more on science & nature try books by top scientists; astronomer Victor J. Stenger, ' Fallacy of fine tuning ', Richard Dawkins, ' Unweaving the rainbow ' & ' The greatest show on earth ' & PZ Meyers & the website Talkorigins
zytigon 5 months ago
i think modern cosmology is a massive lie. geocentrism is probably true
iorixs 5 months ago
@iorixs LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
BackInTheCage 4 months ago
@BackInTheCage can you tell the difference?
iorixs 4 months ago
The theory is much older than Ptolemy. Ptolemy was the first to use observations combined with Apollonius' model for eccentrics and deferents to make a successful predictive model for the solar system based on pseudo-geocentrism.
Martianus Capella was the first to proposed that Venus and Mercury revolved around the sun. al-Shatir ignored this and simplified Ptolemy's model to be purely geocentric using just eccentrics. Copernicus, aware of both then proposed heliocentrism.
websnarf 5 months ago
GREEK FEST IS AWESOME
andrewazad 5 months ago
A great introduction to learning for my students
BebingtonHighScience 5 months ago
omg of course is heliocentric cientis have prved along time ago --" near the 19/20ºcentury
EricDias96 5 months ago
i am 12 and i just want to know wich theory was correct and why
preykiller101 6 months ago
@preykiller101 The heliocentric is the true one. The earth orbits around the sun which in turn orbits around the centre of the galaxy like all the other stars in the milky way
GodOfUnbelief 6 months ago
@preykiller101 Heliocentric and which
emilyteefoo 4 months ago
Geocentric is the truth. Galileo never proved anything...
xchanxzenx 6 months ago
Galileo had good reason to support the heliocentric model. He based his ideas on actual measurements. There were two things that he found that really support this. One is the discovery of the "Galilean" moons of Jupiter which exhibit a planetary system. The second was the observation of the phases of Venus, especially the fact that Venus is far brighter as a crescent than it is when (nearly) full.
physicsprof23 6 months ago
@Sexxgod2000 Where did matter come from?
tiarnan76 7 months ago
@Sexxgod2000 That's very open minded of you.
sownzgr8 7 months ago
Honestly how would a person looking up from earth know that the earth revolves around the sun as opposed to the sun rises around the earth/? THe onlly thing i see is animations of how it supposed to work but nothing that i can look at across the solar system and see that its set up thgat waty
ed2see 8 months ago
Corpernicus, Gallileo, newton, freud, have all come up with new ways to dismiss the power of God. God does not have mass media supporters on earth to promote his idea since we have become to modern and cannot comprehend that an all powerful being can do what he did in bringing the universe here..I still here even today that there is no full way of finding prove of the helliocetric theorie
ed2see 8 months ago
Def cool video and set up for easy understanding. But I must go back to the heliocentric theoric and how Coorpernicus was able to figure it out without beinb in space. Corpernicus was into the occult and this is where he formed his ideas. The kabbalah talks about the universe having started in one singular event (Big Bag) this is where keepler got that idea..basically the science is coming from other religions which are against christianity
ed2see 8 months ago
4 people think we're still in the 6th century. XO
ru21yet 8 months ago
Actually it was Aristotle who came up with the Geocentric theory. Potlemy just made the first model.
thechannelofinsanity 9 months ago in playlist Astro
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workergirls 10 months ago
That first dude had da COOLEST name EVER!
dou3120 11 months ago
Just can't believe north-americans still argue about what scientific theories are. Wach House MD. He'll explain to you what it means. Science it's not about truth or lie. It's about what theory explain better our wolrd. Of course a theory can change - like our own world. God! I thought only third wolrd people do not have apropriate school education. I'm brazilian. I know what I'm talking about
1vitorlima 11 months ago
@jarichman43
Please give a link to the scientific paper in which astronomers have proved it wrong.
dacooldude2222 1 year ago
...I love the up side down cross... hehehehe
...I also hate the Greeks... but I can make exceptions... hmmm... and there HAS to be a conspiracy about that portrait with that dude holding that satanic rules... haha
...............and ...I don't trust Scientists or Religious people who think with their head... for I... I think with my pride... and I trust nobody... hmmm...except the wolves!
marktsheppard 1 year ago
this may sound crazy but around 20% of Americans are geocentrists
wrongoggy 1 year ago
If the Sun is not the center of our system then that would mean that one year is one the sun orbits us instead of us orbiting the sun? Is there any way that calculation would be wrong? How would Jupiter be closer too us as it is right now if the Earth is at the center?
wavepsychic 1 year ago
Well... proving that Venus and Mercury orbit the Sun is quite different from proving that the Earth and all the other planets also do... so your claim about Galileo isn't very accurate.
D4Shawn 1 year ago
.the notion of black hole mean that it has a mass and if the light may be absorbed by the black holes; why it cannot be curved by the black holes and the stars in its arriving to the earth?...I mean; did we make mistakes in our estimation of the stars position? And if the light can be absorbed by a black hole weighting 8 times our sun; why it cannot be curved by our sun ?and why the light speed in vacuum cannot increase if we go to a black hole?
mekkiseghier2002 1 year ago
@mekkiseghier2002
What???? I've seen your video in your channel, what is all that about? What has a black hole bending light got to do with the sun going around the earth??
"did we make mistakes in our estimation of the stars position?"
Would you care to give any information whatsoever which might make us suspect the stars are revolving around the earth a few million miles away? Which is what I am presuming you are proposing.
Wordavee1 10 months ago