This is "another" extremely interesting video that makes a claim while slandering others. If its all true, then pardon my harshness. But you speak against those who haven't been there and done that. I would expect to "hear" the proof. You also mention Vendera. I have yet to hear that guy sing anything. He's more caught up in breaking glass and promoting gadgets. What can you show me that proves you are any better? Maybe your "method" is like others. A couple of real techniques mixed with __.
Mr. Rocchio. Have you given your presentation to the NATS people yet? Classical technique applied to contemporary singing seems a most fascinating subject and I'd like to know a bit more about it.
@jezthegit - per bristow stresses a lot of psychological aspects to singing and NOT a lot of intense technique. he's good but his system is kind of shallow on technique.
@clayton5150 - Mixed voice in classical technique would be more of a "covered" sound but they both achieve the same result of mixing chest resonance with head resonance therefore blending (mixing) the two to create a seamless voice.
@RocktheStageNYC thankyou for responding, yes i had discovered this recently it seems as tho singing terminology had me crossed up. i found that just because its loud and high pitch dosnt meen its head voice haha.
Tell me about it - I have virtually EVERY vocal course out there to see & hear what others are doing. Some are great - Vendera, Lunte, Appell, Manning, Powell and then there are the ridiculous or pure rip offs (Bristow & Cross).
Shame really as its really not all that hard to teach solid, fundamentally sound and effective vocal technique if you know what you're doing.
@RocktheStageNYC Hello Mr. Richards. You say you've tried out practically all the learn-at-home singing courses. Have you ever tried out Eric Frey's course? To be quite frank, the guy seems kinda full of himself on his website, and he makes quite a few sensational claims about how his method is better than all the rest. Do you know anything about him?
@TorturedXeno - I have Eric Frey's vocal course although his approach is sound by stressing "singing in the mask" and relaxing - he can't even do his own exercises. His pitch and breath support are horrendous and his course sounds like it was recorded on an old tape recorder full of hiss and noise.
I don't like to trash other singers/teachers but avoid his course at all costs.
@RocktheStageNYC I see. So, in your ongoing quest for vocal knowledge, which teachers, methods/courses, and/or websites have provided the most useful information and exercises to incorporate into your own training?
@TorturedXeno - First off, Melissa Cross is a good SINGING teacher but forget her "screaming" stuff. Both DVDs are mainly infomercial than anything else. In both DVDs she never really shows you how to scream not demonstrates it herself. Deceiving if you're looking to scream.
I have found Thomas Appell's book eye opening. Jaime Vendera, Robert Lunte and of course myself all offer excellent training courses. For Broadway singers try the Elisabeth Howard stuff.
Kevin - Thank you for your lucid, insightful comments. I agree totally with the points you make. To me, they prove my point inasmuch as those distinctions you make fall into the arena of 'embellishment' of solid singing technique. As an example, the nasality (pharyngeal) you allude to is oft used in opera when creating a character voice. I can point to examples in the oratorio literature, too. Again, thanks for commenting.
My three main coaches were Jim Gillette (screamer from Nitro), Elizabeth Sabine (vocal coach forn G N' R, Megadeth, 38 Special, etc.) and Thomas Appell all taught me classical techniques and that is the basis of how I teach;) So for me, using classical techniques, but applied to rock singing was the only way to go.
I didn't mean to debase classical technique at all - I too was taught by a classical teacher and use many of the techniques myself and with my students. I just don't teach with it for everything. I use some classical, some SLS and some of my own hybrids of those two approaches with my students.
A well rounded approach to teaching was all I was getting at.
I will differ on this point - classical singing does not match to Rock music in slightly more ways than diction & embellishment - there are differences in the use of vibrato, nasality, use of falsetto as opposed to developing adducted head voice (usually only reserved for contraltos).
Rock also goes for a far less "covered" sound with a more closed soft palate. Rock also uses a much more pronounced pharyngeal sound.
I do however agree that classical pedagogy can easily be adapted to Rock.
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cupanda1234 3 months ago
This is "another" extremely interesting video that makes a claim while slandering others. If its all true, then pardon my harshness. But you speak against those who haven't been there and done that. I would expect to "hear" the proof. You also mention Vendera. I have yet to hear that guy sing anything. He's more caught up in breaking glass and promoting gadgets. What can you show me that proves you are any better? Maybe your "method" is like others. A couple of real techniques mixed with __.
cooljoebay 1 year ago
Mr. Rocchio. Have you given your presentation to the NATS people yet? Classical technique applied to contemporary singing seems a most fascinating subject and I'd like to know a bit more about it.
TorturedXeno 1 year ago
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TorturedXeno 1 year ago
what do you think to per bristows teaching methods and how is your different
jezthegit 1 year ago
@jezthegit - per bristow stresses a lot of psychological aspects to singing and NOT a lot of intense technique. he's good but his system is kind of shallow on technique.
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
what do you think about mixed voice? is it effective? i can hit c5 in mix but its a little shakey.
clayton5150 1 year ago
@clayton5150 - Mixed voice in classical technique would be more of a "covered" sound but they both achieve the same result of mixing chest resonance with head resonance therefore blending (mixing) the two to create a seamless voice.
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
@RocktheStageNYC thankyou for responding, yes i had discovered this recently it seems as tho singing terminology had me crossed up. i found that just because its loud and high pitch dosnt meen its head voice haha.
clayton5150 1 year ago
Tell me about it - I have virtually EVERY vocal course out there to see & hear what others are doing. Some are great - Vendera, Lunte, Appell, Manning, Powell and then there are the ridiculous or pure rip offs (Bristow & Cross).
Shame really as its really not all that hard to teach solid, fundamentally sound and effective vocal technique if you know what you're doing.
RocktheStageNYC 2 years ago
@RocktheStageNYC Hello Mr. Richards. You say you've tried out practically all the learn-at-home singing courses. Have you ever tried out Eric Frey's course? To be quite frank, the guy seems kinda full of himself on his website, and he makes quite a few sensational claims about how his method is better than all the rest. Do you know anything about him?
TorturedXeno 1 year ago
@TorturedXeno - I have Eric Frey's vocal course although his approach is sound by stressing "singing in the mask" and relaxing - he can't even do his own exercises. His pitch and breath support are horrendous and his course sounds like it was recorded on an old tape recorder full of hiss and noise.
I don't like to trash other singers/teachers but avoid his course at all costs.
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
@RocktheStageNYC I see. So, in your ongoing quest for vocal knowledge, which teachers, methods/courses, and/or websites have provided the most useful information and exercises to incorporate into your own training?
P.S. What's your take on Melissa Cross' teaching?
TorturedXeno 1 year ago
@TorturedXeno - First off, Melissa Cross is a good SINGING teacher but forget her "screaming" stuff. Both DVDs are mainly infomercial than anything else. In both DVDs she never really shows you how to scream not demonstrates it herself. Deceiving if you're looking to scream.
I have found Thomas Appell's book eye opening. Jaime Vendera, Robert Lunte and of course myself all offer excellent training courses. For Broadway singers try the Elisabeth Howard stuff.
RocktheStageNYC 1 year ago
Kevin - Thank you for your lucid, insightful comments. I agree totally with the points you make. To me, they prove my point inasmuch as those distinctions you make fall into the arena of 'embellishment' of solid singing technique. As an example, the nasality (pharyngeal) you allude to is oft used in opera when creating a character voice. I can point to examples in the oratorio literature, too. Again, thanks for commenting.
RockSource360 2 years ago
My three main coaches were Jim Gillette (screamer from Nitro), Elizabeth Sabine (vocal coach forn G N' R, Megadeth, 38 Special, etc.) and Thomas Appell all taught me classical techniques and that is the basis of how I teach;) So for me, using classical techniques, but applied to rock singing was the only way to go.
venderaj 2 years ago
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RocktheStageNYC 2 years ago
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I didn't mean to debase classical technique at all - I too was taught by a classical teacher and use many of the techniques myself and with my students. I just don't teach with it for everything. I use some classical, some SLS and some of my own hybrids of those two approaches with my students.
A well rounded approach to teaching was all I was getting at.
Rock on guys!
RocktheStageNYC 2 years ago
I will differ on this point - classical singing does not match to Rock music in slightly more ways than diction & embellishment - there are differences in the use of vibrato, nasality, use of falsetto as opposed to developing adducted head voice (usually only reserved for contraltos).
Rock also goes for a far less "covered" sound with a more closed soft palate. Rock also uses a much more pronounced pharyngeal sound.
I do however agree that classical pedagogy can easily be adapted to Rock.
RocktheStageNYC 2 years ago