No you dont actually pay that much more...plus id rather give my entire paycheck to the government then die of a curable disease because i was too poor to deserve to live. we have great neonatal care...yes the government can afford it. when i was 12 i went to a hospital in florida for an ear infection and was taken ahead of a room full of Americans. i remember a little girl who was bleeding from the head, all over her clothes...her and her dad were crying, they just let her sit there to die
You're not totally right about Sarkozy, he does not wish to private the system, but as the HC system needs to be reformed, he tries to compensate the HC deficits with a private system.
I am french, and I have an american friend working in France who critizised the French sytem. Fair enough. Until he got serioulsly ill and needed an operation. He could not believed how cheap has been.
But, you are right on some points, as the taxes are much higher. HC in France is good but not perfect.
By a % of a country's population more people from Canada, the UK and other countries in the EU come to the U.S. for treatment than vice versa. Also in the UK they are now cutting basic services for hip replacements, knee replacements etc according to the New York Times. Read about British Decentralizing healthcare.
@dolphinsattack 2008 estimated 60,000 to 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care.
2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006)the same study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries.
though medical tourism TO U.S. will propably increase due to the weak dollar(if you can even grasp what that means)
The U.S. has a superior system, by a % of a country's population more Canadians come to the U.S. than vice versa. It's much harder to get a primary care physician in CN as well. The U.S. has over 13% higher cancer survival rates as well. People from around the world come to the U.S. for quick care, as does world leaders. Germany has been demanding Greece privatize parts of it's healthcare system too.
@dolphinsattack Proof that more Canadians go to the U.S. for care? The U.S. has a combined 5 year survival rate of just under 65%, Canada, just over 62%. LESS THAN 3%. Not statistically significant. Yet, 2 million Americans have to forgo cancer treatment every year due to cost. Other's mortgage or sell their home to cover costs. A report predicts that MILLIONS of Americans will travel abroad for less expensive care this year alone, to other countries, like Canada. Do some research.
Canada has neo natal intensive care units ALL OVER the country. Including the one my daughter was born in after my wife's emergency C-section surgery. Max, its called google, try it.
Thanks for a well mannered video. #1 There is nothing wrong with both a public and private system, right. All public or all private has it problems. combine the two and it solves many problems. #2 Taxes. Yes they pay more taxes, but overall COST in the US is higher. It isnt taxes, but you still pay more. when you talk about canada, theyhave a HUGE country with not many people...so taxes are higher.
@dac8555 Canada (I have family there) pays higher taxes BECAUSE they have an overburdened healthcare system, Healthcare is rationed and they actually have no emergency neo natal care, they send those here. I pay 600 dollars a month for a pretty good insurance policy for me and my family (4 total) I don't mind paying that cuz I pay it for me, when I'm forced to pay for you, I take issue...I have made good decisions in my life and can afford it, I shouldnt pay for ppl that make bad decisions.
@Lewismadmax Max, let me repeat this, WE HAVE EMERGENCY NEO NATAL CARE. ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. How do I know this. BECAUSE I LIVE HERE, and my wife and first child used the unit where I live. They are actually opening a brand new, state of the art one later this year on top of the one we've had FOR FLIPPIN YEARS. What you do with you care in the States is your choice, but for God's sake man, educate yourself or stop lying. And our taxes aren't much more than yours.
@MadHabber93 Not only are the taxes not that much higher, but your expenditure for healthcare is actually less. I am so sick and tired of people here (in the USA) spouting that we have the best healthcare in the world, we obviously don't and we obviously pay more than anyone else and receive sub standard treatment for it.
@Lewismadmax- I am not going ot get into a "no-win" discussion and we don't need to agree. Canada does have Neo Natal care, I promise. Canadians pay higher taxes becuse It includes healthcare, retirement, pension, and all sort of other things. I work for Scoita Bank (Canadian). They pay MUCH less per capita than in the US for health. I am glad that you have family there but global statistics are more accurate that your families personal opinions.
@Lewismadmax Canada has higher taxes because they choose to have universal healthcare and a real social net. To say they have no neonatal emergency care is quite simply a lie. The only place I have found healthcare to be rationed is here in the USA, insurance companies deny payment, that is rationing or better put simply not supplying at all. Universal healthcare means that those people who have made "bad decisions" will have to pay for their own insurance.
@Lewismadmax Right now you pay for everyone that doesn't have insurance. The hospitals jack up there costs to insured customers to re-coup the costs of emergency treatment for those that have no insurance. It is called uncompensated care and you are paying for it right now. If everyone has insurance and is paying a % of what they earn to pay for it, then you are not paying for anyone else. the risk pool becomes larger so the individual costs are reduced.
@dac8555 Our taxes aren’t actually that much higher, people here are taxed according to income, if you make less then 40,000 a yr you pay almost no taxes and you get most of what you do. The big difference is that Canada’s government (usually) is responsible when spending those taxes. If you want to know what system is better just ask yourself, if you needed million dollar surgery where would you rather live? We don’t let our citizens die for being poor
@OneManWolfPak- agreed. it isnt even "die for being poor" sometimes it is die for not working for a company with good health insurance or die for being self employed.
@dac8555 ...Exactly, even Americans that have great health insurance still get turned down if they develop a more complex illness. My nephew was born with cystic fibrosis, between his medication and equipment (excluding the constant month long hospital stays) is around 50-60,000 a yr. If we were Americans he would be in the ground right now. Letting a human die due to greed or indifference when you have the power to save them is almost worse then murder
And yes in Europe it is funded by taxation which is not very nice... but is the system where you get ripped off by private hospitals and greedy insurers who will drop you like a rock at the first occasion if you cease profitable really that nicer? --especially when it ends up being a. way more expensive and b. way less efficient?
Why would anybody want to adopt the free market HC system... In the US people spend more on healthcare than any other country in the world (e.g. 50% more than in France), yet this HC system is ranked by the world health organization as least good of all developed countries...
Sarkozy wants to reform the healthcare system but not adopt a US-style free market healthcare system!! Actually he was in the USA recently and he had this to say to Obama:
"But if you want me to be really honest, when we see the U.S. debate on the healthcare reform from Europe, it's difficult to believe that you have such a violent debate so that the poor are not left on the streets without a cent when they are sick ... here we've solved this problem more than 50 years ago"
another guy who uses internet to talk about issues he hasn't a single about, lewis please keep drinking your beer in front of the TV in your shithole probably somewhere in the midwest and give us a break, you've probably never been overseas and you talk about politics and healthcare policies around the world... You are appaling !
@yas92 I've been overseas...a lot. The only other country I've seen a doctor in is Mexico...and that's certainly not an experience I intend to repeat again!
While I don't have personal experience with the ins and outs of heath care around the world...I still have the right to my opinion. Personally, I think that "universal" health care is a great idea...and if done right would be fantastic...however, it's not going to be done right here...it's just going to make an already hurting economy worse.
Freeze is totally right. All these republicans making crazy claims are just digging themselves into hole. Soon the American people will realize how the republican party really should just be called corporate America and soon we will all turn our backs on them. Small business create 75% of jobs, fuck the giant corporations who whored out 700 billion from our lovely republican secretary of treasury and George W.
Hashjihadful: Your stupid, you seem to think a republican is different than a democrat when in effect, they are all crooked, Screw you and your brainwashed mind, you go on with that democrat verse republican thing, Your gonna be just as fucked tomorrow as you are today, no matter who is in office, it's just sad you dont take a stand for freedom and that means personal responsiblity.
I love freedom and I dont mind paying MY price for it...not yours!!!
@Lewismadmax really, so do you believe you can handle the costs of a heart bypass operation yourself or the costs of spinebifida for a child with personal responsibility? Something that you have no control over and, unless you were wealthy, could never pay for all by yourself? Everyone should have insurance and healthcare should be based on need not on ability to pay.
How about fucking caring less of what the French government says and more about what the PEOPLE prefer, government officials are elected to serve the people, not defending their pharmaceutical mafia buddies, this system is corrupt, it's been since the Federal Reserve got its hands on this country's economy. The Banking, Pharmaceutical, FDA, just to name a few are the core of this country's problem, until you realize that your just going to be an ass licker of your political party.
Government officials are elected to represent people, not to vote what the majority of their constituents want...really think about that, if that was the case, we would just poll the people and the law would require elected officials to vote according to the majority.
We elect them to vote constitutionally in our best interest, if they dont, we can replace them every 2 years.....time for some replacement!
@Lewismadmax government officials are elected to do the will of the people not to do what they think is best for the people. We do poll the people, you are voted in on the basis of what you say you are going to do for the people and then you are meant to do what you said you were going to, not what ever you like and consider yourself to be best.
@Scootertuner1000 I'm for universal healthcare, just not this one passed it's structure I bet it wont bring the results people want and it will end up bankrupting us even more. How about we end this illegal 9 year old charade war, I think the contractors benefited enough and it could save us billions of dollars.
@Freez57fr Its simple freeze, because they believe people like Max here who make claims about other countries health systems that are bullshit, and people believe them, without actually researching and learning 'the truth' themselves. They would rather listen to someone, who has never probably even been to Canada or Europe, let alone one of their hospitals, then listen to people who live in those countries.
I'm not American, don't try to convince me with bullshits like: "in Europe the hospitals are shitty".
I live in Europe ;)
And you, have you ever seen an European hospital? What do you know about European hospitals and their health system?
Look your T-shirt, "the truth" is only that you don't want to admit that your system is shitty because you think that is "anti-american" and "anti-patrotic" because it hurts your american ego to admit that your system is shitty.
Ive been to Europe, Actually, I recieved a purple heart in Camp Doha and spent quite alot of time in Germany and France and can say those hospitals are OLD and the doctors hate them and really want to be in America where we have "nice" equipment.
I am french, following all that, and I can confirm there is NO plans to drop anything whatsoever. There is a few measures to constantly reduce potential wastage but the whole population is well too attached to the overall working system to accept its removal. The system is not always perfect on a case by case basis, but in my experience, it's still better flowing and considerate to people than what I have experienced in US or even in UK.
mctechuciztecatl: eloquently put, but you miss something, the U.S. is not France. Everyone is cared for medically reagrdless of ability to pay, but they get stuck with the bill. We have a rule of law called the constitution, one can't usurp it to provide for someone who isnt responsible enough to make good decisions in life and plan for their healthcare. Our Constitution doesnt allow taking from me and giving to another by force...if the U.S. dont like it, change it! takes 2/3 of the people tho
If our health care system sucks so bad, why is Canadian Premier Danny Williams having his heart surgery here and not Canada or another country you mentioned?, he stated "this is my heart, my health and my choice", wow, a rich politician in Canada making a choice not to have their crappy system or crappy doctors fix his heart, HMMMM!!!
I don't know the Canadian system, but it's not the best and by far. And a lot of ministers don't care in the USA... you took only an exemple... Look the majority.
If the free healthcare sucks, why NOBODY in Europe, Japan and all the others developped countries want your system? Nobody want it...
But, at the contrary, in the USA, a lot of people want a free healthcare. The debate about healthcare is in the USA, not in the other countries where everybody like their health system ;)
These numbers hurt your Uncle Sam's ego, so you can't say better than "the UN lie, they hate the US, it's a plot against the USA"... this is ridiculous and you can convince nobody with these paranoiac bullshits...
Take the numbers of the CIA World Factbook, it you'd rather:
Cuba is a 3rd world country, the people is poor, but thanks to its free health care this country has an infant mortality like the developped countries. Cuba has the lower infant mortality of the 3rd world countries or developping countries (and these numbers come from the CIA, so don't say that these numbers are made by anti-americans).
Japan and Western Europe have the lower infant mortality of the world thanks to their free healthcare. Why don't you admit it?
And about Belgium, it's only 1 country (France, UK... count the birth like the USA)
and even if a baby who die before 2 months is not a birth in Belgium, it's only regarding the law and the administration, but they account of these births for the international comparison (which are made about the birth certificates).
Your arguments are really desperates ;)
(I say it friendly)
Why don't you admit that your health system is the worst of the developped countries?
Not much difference here, you are free not to claim health care if you don't want to but as long as you make money in the country, you must pay tax. Isn't it the same in US? The main difference I think is that our law forbid denying assistance to anybody in any situation. (something to do with fraternity... :-p )
We rank 37th- behind Costa Rica in quality (they are$9K per capita income) and we are more exp than rest of the world. Canada spends $300 vs U.S.$1000 per person and oh, BTW, France is #1. Since there is no compete in the US, the insur industry can charge whatever they want - that's why they banked $11 billion last yr!. They have 6 lobbyists per Sen and Rep and spending $2 milli @day on media buys. Not to worry however, Mass voted Rep in so we are boned 4 another generation.
dude here in america we pay over 2.5 trillion dollars in healthcare a year, it's sad our healthcare system sucks.... it sucks bad, we just don't take care of one another its sad.. i haven't' had coverage for quite sometime... it's like if you make over 700.00 a month
I am not French but do the right thing, keep your great system, you don't want ours here in America because it sucks bad.... people get denied coverage period.. its sad..
@Freez57fr sarkozy just want to dismantled for private company all people in france know that and he can't go to do this thing ... (france will be burning lol)
this movie just manipulate mind in reality to persuade US people to keep their discrimanating system of health ...
US people is so easy to ignite and make angry just they speak to them of tax ...
Tax in USA is like satan to christian and evangelist dumbass' all world know that
Here's an obvious question to your cancer claim: If their terminal, and at their end of their life, why the hell would they go anywhere?? That's right. They don't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TORONTO, Dec. 19— Lacking a national health care system of their own, thousands of Americans are tapping into Canada's -- illegally.
A report prepared for Ontario's Health Minister indicated that from August 1992 to February 1993, 60,000 medical claims had been made on behalf of patients who held American drivers' licenses.
This ignorant dude claims we don't have neo-natal care in Canada. A big fat LIE. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
We also don't pay 50% in income taxes. I earn low six-figures and pay about 30% in federal and provincial taxes combined. And dude, if you want to debate me, I'll bury you.
You know much how I pay for my taxes? less than %15. And gess what... If I get sick do you know where I go? To the doctor! Ohhh but you pathetic americans cant afford to go to the doctor... guess what- I have a FUCKING job!! Do you know who you pay for with socialized health care?The 20 million illegal immigrats who pop out babies like they are going out of style and the shit bags who wont get a job. GET A JOB LAZY ASSHOLES!!! Then you an afford your own health care!
@N417MA I used to get taxed at 15% too, when I was making less than $40,000/year. And after looking at your tax brackets in the states, its the same thing.
If they don't raise your taxes they ration your health care. There are plenty of story's of Canadian's coming to America because they got put on a waiting list to have a time sensitive operation. Good thing America bailed you guys out when your health care failed.
Get over yourself. The amount of Canadians that come go to the States is a trickle. Our health care hasn't failed, nor are we the ones looking to go to your system. Facts are 60,000 Americans try to de-fraud the Ontario health system in 92/93. That's just in one province. 750,000 Americans went abroad for healthcare, including countries like Canada. PLease, educate yourself on the subject.
Why don't you get out head out of your stupid Canadian liberal media and learn how socialism sucks. Just because most Canadians cant afford to come to America and use GOOD health care does not mean they like there socialistic uni health. You guys have shit health care and that's why my friends in Canada complain about it all of the fucking time. Its ether too expensive or you don't get good coverage. Do some research yourself before you quote lies from your government.
Fact: Canadian healthcare costs are FAR below the U.S.'s.
Fact: A recent poll says 70% of Canadians are satisfied with their healthcare.
Fact: Same poll, over 80% prefer our Universal system vs. the for profit system of the U.S. that results in 18,000 deaths per year due to lack of coverage or denied coverage.
Fact: All Canadians are covered under our provincial programs.
And where did you get those "facts"? from your liberal media..... All health care costs the same, the only difference is the way you pay for it. You think your health care is free because your not putting money into it. But the reality is that your spending the money through taxation and not only are you paying for yourself, but your paying for the uninsured. To keep taxes down they ration and cut and deny health care so they will spend less on it.
Do your homework. All healthcare costs are not the same from country to country. Almost all costs, for example, hospital stays, surgeries, medication is FAR more expensive in the U.S. than EVERY other industrialized nation on the planet. These are facts, its called google, have a look.
And yes, its not free, it comes through our taxes which Canadians are happy to pay to cover our fellow countrymen. And care is not denied in Canada. You need heart surgery, you get it. Period!
A chick from Canada needed a brain tumor removed and when she went to the doctor they put her on a waiting list. The list said it would of taken her 3 years to get the thing removed so she paid out of pocked and got it done in the USA.
With story's like that shit is not adding up with what you say so you must being lied to about "how great Canada's health care is"...
I know the case, Shona Holmes, its propaganda bs. Yes, she went to the states to have a benign cyst removed. She was put on a waiting list, and its more bullshit of it being 3 years, because it was a cyst not a tumor. Look it up on here. If it was actual tumor, she would have gotten treatment quickly. Now, you are only 24, so your experience is little to none. Look up cases of Americans on here denied insurance coverage and are now bankrupt. There's thousands of them every year in the u.s
US is top treated for breast cancer and Europe has 3rd world treatment for it. We don't jip are doctors to work hard for less cash. We pay for a quality job. Another reason why Canada's social health does not work.
And WHY give the government more control over your life? America is about freedom not there government kissing there ass for them. The government is nothing more then law and defense against enemy's.
Yes, and Canada also has top 5 year survival rates in breast cancer, right along the States. The difference, EVERY CANADIAN gets cancer treatment quickly without EVER being denied, or losing their home, or going bankrupt in the process. And Canadian docs make once of the top salaries in the country. In Ontario, over 56% of physicians made $480,000/year. Again, do your homework.
Why don't you do your homework because people are being put on waiting lists and having to pay higher taxes. If your in the US and your insurance covers you then you will not go bankrupt or any of that shit you just mentioned. I am don't arguing with you because your wrong and Canada's health care will never work for the US and we don't want it.
I've done my homework and work in our system. In 2008, 62% of all personal bankruptcies were because of medical bills. Of those, 78% had insurance, so you are dead wrong. If you don't believe many people in the U.S. have to decide between keeping their home or living, then you are living in a pipe dream. Look it up instead of just giving me your opinion. And, yes many don't want single payer in the U.S., but many do. And by the way, my income taxes is not that much more than the U.S.
My family makes 100 grand a year and we had absolutely no problem making payments on any of the numerous doctor, ER, or surgical care that was expensive. And if we were about to become so freaking bankrupt, why did we get a pool put in?
If your single with no family and make 50 grand or more a year you can easily get health insurance, car insurance, and home insurance.
And yes, there are waiting lists in Canada, but most are measured in weeks for people getting elective, non emergency care. If you need an emergency operation, do you actually think we wait? And besides that, millions of Americans without insurance, or who cannot afford to pay for it, have the ultimate wait time. FOREVER!!!
I do realize that "some" get insurance, but that does not mean they get adequate coverage. When 78% of those claiming bankruptcies actually have insurance, then there is a problem. And has far as your other comment, you do realize that there are millions of Americans who make less than $50 grand a year? You do also realize that millions of Americans are denied insurance do to a pre-existing condition? And its great your parents make good coin, as I do, but if I lose my job I'm still insured.
May i ask you where you are getting these numbers? I don't Want to see another percentage unless you have evidence to back it up.
Second thing i have a huge problem is that you are making it out to be that allot of Americans are going bankrupt in general. Also so what if they go bankrupt because if high costing bills, its a good price to pay then to have shitty health for all and or pay high taxes. And again we do NOT want are government to be in control of are lives anymore then that are now.
@retsnom92Which numbers do you want, as I would be happy to send you the links directly. You can't post links on here.
And, in general, a lot of Americans are going bankrupt. There's a lot in Canada too, but none have to do with medical bills. Canadians don't go bankrupt over healthcare, & our health outcomes are the same as the U.S. I don't want gov't control of my life easy either, but make no mistake, the gov't doesn't decide anything about our care. HMO's do more than our gov't.
Just take a look at Americas school system or justice system. It if operated poorly and the private schools who compete against each other have better test scores. No matter what, when you say "All can come to have an even chance" will lower the quality of the product. The public school system proves my point over and over.
Canada has a stronger survival rate because cancer patients that are terminal and towards end of life come here for treatment, Probl;em pregnancies are sent here, We count a baby as a baby after birth, Canada counts a baby as a baby if it lives for 2 weeks, India only counts a baby as a baby if it lives for 1 year, comeon, the numbers are jaded, america has the most stringent accounting and Canada has loose accounting of these numbers!
@Lewismadmax What a pile of crap. Canada deals with its cancer patients on its own. PERIOD!! Not true. Do you have proof?? Thought not!!
Here's a fact:
According to CBS News' medical correspondent, Dr. Jon LaPook, out of the 680,000 or so new cancer cases diagnosed last year, nearly 70 percent of patients, despite health insurance, are either debt-ridden or face the difficult choice of paying for necessities or paying for their cancer care.
Freez57fr: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG!! Unesco uses the criteria provided them by the countries...those numbers are a fallacy, we count all births be it live or dead as a birth, also, Most problem pregnancies in Canada are sent here as they have no neo-natal care. In Belgium if a child doesnt live for 2 months it's not counted as a birth, I cant believe you would cite numbers provided by the UN, they hate the US and everything they do and say reflect that, go to each country and look not the UN
muratshawn, you are a fool if you believe people in National health care countries have better care. Cancer? my friends husband (in England) had prostate cancer at 52 years old. He was deemed to old for "expensive" health care. . . so they kept changing his appointments until at 57 years old he was dead from Cancer. Obviously it was treatable
. . . If you noticed it took five years to kill him without care. . . Don't bullsh*t people. Tell the truth.
xtaxplayer.. You pull out a few isolated cases about UK health care and try to scaremonger US citizen's. No health care system is perfect. That aside how many Americans die because they don't have heart disease diagnosed which could save them. Cases where people get stomach pains and die from ruptured appendix, because they don't see a doctor because of massive medical bills they will incur. 45,000 cases are similar to that.
Most people die from heart disease because they are ignorant slobs. They stuff their face until they weigh 375lbs, they get diabetes, COPD because they smoke 2 packs a day, their stomach hurts because of their enlarged liver caused by drinking and you are trying to tell me that they need a doctor to tell them they have heart disease? thats a load of crap, privatize health care does not kill an one, preventable diseases like trauma, COPD, and heart disease kill fat and or ignorant people.
mechelle68, who makes more money?? Not Canadians, English, French, Germans or Spanish. Maybe you should stop the lie's and get off your backside and travel. I have and do. Your prim us is flawed. Stop trying to ruin the Health care in America. . . If you don't like it leave. . . If you are not in America then don't go there. . . either way, STOP THE LIE'S
The flaw in this guy's argument about "paying more taxes" is, they make more money on average, so the "bring home" pay amounts to be the same. The difference is, everyone is covered for healthcare.
I think you're oversimplifying the healthcare tax system way too much. The french one at least. Not everything goes into healthcare, about 50% of the monthly pay goes to old people already.
But the problem is the way tax money is spent in general. it's just plain wasted. I doubt a lot goes to wars in France but damn, in stupid vacation trips with 100 guests when not too crowdy, trendy dresses, the universal debt of course, cover ups etc...
So many people are uneducated and dumb,thats why you need to explain to them everything,otherwise they think "see they have private insurance too" but its completely different. You know in those countries,people do not have to beg their neighborhood,friends,schools for donation,if someone has cancer or got into an accident and needs to collect money for the bill....that US for you.Universal healthcare,gives you a 100% protection,you'll never be in debt because of a surgery/illness/dr. visit etc
I can only recall one instance of a woman going to the US to give birth - she was having quads and there weren't 4 NICU beds available for them locally. So they were sent south of the border *at government expense*, which is undoubtedly cheaper than keeping four funded NICU beds open at any given time just in case some quads are born.
Whats with the baby pictures, and silly music overlay?
The guy seems sincere.
I wonder how his debate with the woman turned out? He spoke of how smart she was cause she learned so much from "short videos".
Short videos may be fine, depends on the truth and depth behind them. But they are also ripe with bullshit and distortion. Fairtax -- a farce if there ever was one - is an example.
You won't here the dems breath a word of truth because power is the cure. They want to control the masses, Teddy Roosevelt first proposed national health insurance in 1912, FDR proposed it again in the 1930s. Harry Truman proposed it again in the 1940s. They've been waiting along time for this progressive power holy grail issue, healthcare is the way to pure Socialism, Reagan was warning of this as far back as the 60s.
What? Stop advancing and growing into a country that isn't too stubborn and ridiculous to learn from others?? Or do u mean making the country a joke AGAIN in the eyes of the world? I know, I know screw the world well bud, your fellow idiots have already done that already. ie Iraq, Afghanistan, the world financial depression. Well screwed. Answer that.
Mrs, thank you. I am very passionate about this issue,because I am in the healthcare field and deal with patients 24/7. Plus, I lived in Germany and France,so I know first hand the truth about Universal Healthcare. In those countries,the "private" insurance companies are strickly regulated,and plus its completely different than what we have.There,a private insurance option garantees you,to always see the head physician at the hopsital,having a private room etc,its like flying 1st class
\muratshawn.yep. I was born in UK and lived in Canada so looks like that the only way the US is gonna learn how Uni-care actually is, is from people who have actually experienced it! sigh.
thank you sweetie, its troubeling though,how so many folks in the US who are against this are so ignorant,not realizing,how much they would benefit from it. I am pretty sure,the greedy profit making insurance companies are like "yes,we need more of those dummies who want to keep us in buisness,so we can rip them off longer" its shocking,why anyone with a normal educated brain,could possibly support a private profit insurance company running healthcare,dont they get it, thats not right?
you mention the U.S. screwing the world, well, we supply 2/3 of the worlds rice, we provide funding for 92% of the worlds aids research, we give more per capita to help other countries than any other country in the world...we didnt get that way by following weaker countries.
Condemn the U.S. if ya will, but the world needs us strong, when we are not...the world suffers, get over yourself.
btw: I wonder if we quit shipping food, how the world would do.
Dont talk bullshit, you supply Structural Adjustment Programs to third world countries which keeps them poor, Take Africa it could feed itself but for the IMF.
These sap programs makes profits for Western multinational corporations while subjecting Third World countries to horrendous levels of poverty, unemployment, malnutrition, illiteracy and economic decline.
I am a Nurse, was raised in Germany and France,both countries have universal single payer health care,any illness,any surgery for free.Its all paid and financed by tax payer. In France,a country I lived in, will not and would never get rid of universal healthcare.And remember,private healthinsurance in europe is strictly regulated,all u pay is you premium,everything is still free and 100% covered,unlike in the US.Not one single person in europe,would trade their plan,with ours,NOT ONE!!!
I'm with u muratshawn. No country with uni-care has ever EVER gone back to a fee-for-treatment scheme like that in the US. Old saying ' the proof of the pudding is in the eating'. I thought the US was over making themselves the laughing stock of the world, I guess not yet.
I believe in universal healthcare but there should be exclusions; for example, if you've ever been convicted of a felony then you don't get any coverage. Plus, the government needs to invest more money in medical scholarships and better facilities so we have adequate manpower and resources.
foos -- great ideas. Don't give coverage to crooks and violent felons.
Notice all those thugs getting shot -- many have been fixed up 2-3 times. All free, all paid for by someone else.
Have basic care for all law abiding citizens. No care for thugs, no care for health care fraud. For life -- if they try to scam health care -- no help for their entire lives.
Raised in America, I too thought America invented everything, America saved the world,etc.
You can even graduate college in USA and still be that stupid. France is amazing at technology, you dumb ass.
America was hot shit for 100 years, but now its old, partly senile, over crowded, deeply in debt,dvided. America had more slaves than anyone, more wars for its history than anyone - and we lost wars. Love America but know the truth.
There would be wide protests and riots galore if Sarkozy were to have the gall to bestow France with a heartless and evil HMO-based system. Keep in mind these are the French and NOT APATHETIC AMERICANS, they will fight and rise up! French system is the finest in the world and they should fight for it, tooth and nail!
apathetic americans, how dare you...didnt french students protest the government because they passed laws that students could be fired for not doing there job?
Didnt Sarkozy ask french ppl, "just work over 30 hours a week"? "it will be tax free"?
Sure he did, cuz the cheese eating surrender monkeys known as french people are lazy and need to be made to work harder.
Say what you want about USA, but we make the world our Biiiiiaaatch!!!!!
we have electricity, comnputer and cars because of usa.
americans didnt invent the modern computers the brits did during WW2, the car was invented in Germany, and a vast number of people contributed to the modern use of elecctricity. it has to be said though in America it is only the rich who have a say
Cordero is right! I'm French and we would hang Sarkozy for ruining our health care to copy American evil system. We would fight and win! And yes, we are not like apathetic Americans who were too busy shooting deer and watching football to have the courage to rise up against Bush for 8 years.
yea i agree, there would be a revolution, again! firstly the French are, at heart a leftist country, having one of the best welfare states in Europe, secondly the French hate nearly everything American, thirdly they really regret electing Sarkozy, it would probably require a referendum, otherwise next time the Parti Socialiste get in it will be overturned immediately. France has always had a nice mix of government and private, i think the UK used to but went to far, ironic as we have the NHS
Just because that idiot Sarkozy doesn't agree with universal healthcare doesn't mean the French people don't. There would be wide protests in France if they were forced to spend half of their paychecks on something they had for free. Not to mention having shit-for-brains "doctors" like in the USA.
Preparedness for swine flu. France has enough antiviral drugs in store to treat 52% of its population, the UK 50% of its population ... the US 25% of its population.
and yet we are so healthy we dont die from swine flu, wow, what does that say, not only that, we dont die from avian flu...France cant say that, UK cant say that, so shut up you cheese eating surrender monkey!
we all complain but thats because we are truly free!
americans have no real concept of real freedom you are indoctrinated by us media and companies it's not right because american people are wonderful and friendly hard working good natured people. and deserve inclusion into the world community you need a real social democratic revolution
Nonsense! France would never allow their citizens to suffer on a mass scale like America via an exclusive HC system. The French mindset will never be as yankee-selfish driven! Baisez vou! Brulez dans l'enfer George Bush!
You say that the cost of goods will go up, like beer for example and you're right. But, your country is one of the fattest in the world. My country is fat, but yours is fatter. Considering how cheap and easy it is for you to get your fast food, it comes as no surprise that your country's waste line is so large. An increase in the cost of things like this might actually help. Yeah as a canadian I complain about a 12 pack costing 20 bucks, but I don't complain about a lack of health care.
In countries ranked in the worlds top 10 for H.C. (like france), this is not even a debate. Yet in U.S it is widely debated. Clearly a change of some sort is needed. Yes France is implementing private HC to compete with the public system. Competition is the reason that most experimental drugs and new therapies used around the world, come from the U.S. But France IS the best in the world in HC. The ppl there live longer. They have a balanced system that uses both private AND socialized.
what the fuck is this guy talking about. Typical American propaganda: a typical "laid-back" average joe with american patriotic music in the background talking about how great america is. brainwashing at the highest level.
I like how you formed your arguments, this was good to watch, and much more plausible then a lot of the other arguments I've heard (e.x: UHC is a communist agenda) But you should consider that currently Americans pay the highest HC taxes in the world. Under a UHC system, we would find that it's much cheaper to pay through taxes rather than privately, for several reasons, the biggest probably being that preventative medicine would be practiced by a much wider spectrum of people.
nah sarkozy won't change the healthcare system, he can't.. people are way too sensitive about that subject in France or other european countries.
beside we don't give away 50% of our salary, it's between 15 and 20% for a middle class type person, but yeah we do pay quite a lot of taxes on goods such as gaz, cars.. ect
free healthcare for everyone is not a system made to be profitable economically but rather socially, a word that seems to scare a lot of americans.
i think this guy REALLY misses the point of universal healthcare - a typical feature of conservatives. think about it...yeah, we complain about taxes for things, especially when we think we don't need them - but if you suddenly needed it, wouldn't you be glad you had that system in place and didn't have a massive hospital bill at the end of it.
Yes, we have waiting lists in the UK, but personally I'd rather wait for surgery than not get it at all. And I am so grateful I don't have to worry about getting a denied claim and being left to die because my insurance company fucked me over.
And nobody here goes bankrupt from medical bills either.
This is just another example of American arrogance, considering your health statistics are some of the worst in the industrialised world. Grow up!
absolutely! the ultra conservatives in america immediately attack things like Michael Moore's "Sicko" as a direct attack on the actual quality of health care in ameria - but that's not the case - it's an attack on the sheer lack of principle in the US - the idea that you can't get the healthcare you NEED. it's not good having the best care when you can't bloody well pay for it! haha.
If you have private health care insurance in the U.S. you get the quickest and the best health care in the world. And it would be even better if the HC industry in the U.S. weren't so heavily regulated. By why not make it voluntary? Everybody who wants to enlist in a government-run HC program can do so and everybody who wants to have market-based HC can choose that (with correspondant tax cut of course). Why do you need to _force_ others into your system?
What do you mean governments can't afford healthcare??? It's got to be a hell of a lot cheaper than the War in Iraq, right?
And how can you say your healthcare doesn't suck when upwards of 700,000 people every year are going bankrupt from healthcare costs (by the way, around 75% of them DID have insurance).
As an American living in Germany for 12 years now... Regarding paying higher taxes... yes Europeans often pay higher taxes. I know that I have been frustrated at times with all the tax I must pay but the benefits are endless... quality education, FREE to minimal cost for Univ. education, functional bureaucratic departments, social programs for the unemployed, homeless, the poor.
I have been to dozens of European cities and I have never seen the abject poverty and crime as I have seen in a typical American city. Are the extra taxes worth living in a functional educated society, where the cities are livable, where health care is expected... you bet your bottom dollar it is. Regarding luxuries like beer, gas, automobiles, boats for example where you pay a higher amount than in America, also acceptable to me because they are just that - luxuries.
I am an American living in Germany for the last 12 years. I am self-employed and as such I am not able to participate in National Healthcare but pay privately for insurance. Employed people, if they earn over a certain amount, are allowed to opt-out of national healthcare and buy private insurance. Have I heard of great differences between the two (private vs. national), I have not heard of the actual care being different. Waiting times or single rooms have been what I have seen or heard.
By the way... While we are on the subject of booze. In Germany you can find a 1 liter of vodka for $ 9 dollars, a 24 pack (!!!) of beer for $ 9 dollars and a bottle of wine for 1 us$. (1 liter is about 1/4 gallon). And guess what? Yes they have universal healthcare... This dude does NOT know what he is talking about. Maby he is drunk on that 8.99 us$ beer he was talking about... cheers! (klink)
Fine lie all you want. But lets see how you defend your system when you get sick. Because that's all it comes down to. while you are getting demands of $2000 in deductible, I will be in the ward allready getting treatment. while you are fighting with your insurance company, i will pay a $20 patience fee. while you will be bankrupt, my gouverment will pay me money while i'm unable to work. There is a reason why US hates the word "socialized". Because it's European, and better...
dude you are full of shit. usa spends 17% of the gdp on health care. france 8% canada 9% uk 7% singapore 5% ------------------- usa is last in all health indicators amongs the 10 most ndustrial nations. ------------- as for sarkozy plans ? lies can t go far enough when anyone can Google it.
no sir, that's the same, you don't pay as many taxes as we do in Europe, but you have to think that you don't get any pension, UHC, free Universities, as I do in Europe. Your average tax preassure is 32% while in Europe the average is 45%, make numbers you will see who is wrong
Come on guy! Sarkozy doesn't reveal the french opinion about health care. I can see you are not so aware about french politic. Your words are full of bulshit. Healthcare permit french even if we have a lot of taxes) to not be in the street if we have a very important health problem. But because of asholes like sarkozy we are going to lose that. Can't you understand that there are some subjects it's important that the community takes care. Health is part of it.
Clemence123: How about peoploe not having kids unless they can afford them, How about people working instead of partying and druging it up, if ya want healthy life, live healthy and dont have kids you cant afford.
So sorry to here about you folks in france having to pay for your own way through life, but...TUFF SHIT!
Sorry i can't follow you and your wonderfull mentality. I just hope you'll never have a big health issue. Do you really believe that it's normal to let people die cause they don't have enough money to afford hospital spend? And you know as me that its not always possible to have a "healthy life". We are not all equal face to health. Maybe one day you won't be a wealthy and you'll dont have the same speaking.
Also, as another French person commented, the French and Europeans in general are not afraid of their government. They stand for what they think is right and often succeed, especially these days with the new president Nicolas Sarkosy who thinks he can just reform the whole system without asking the people. And the result is there, Sarkosy has a very low approval rate. Hum, that reminds of someone else... Bush maybe?
This guy does not know what he is talking about. I am French and can tell you that Europeans are not paying such higher taxes. Also, I don't understand where people's moral values have gone. I personally am not religious at all yet I do have ethics and anyone who is a Christian knows that we should all help each other if we want to live better lives. Now, is that what we are doing by leaving out 47 million Americans?
I think his problem is, he only listens to half the story. He hears what he wants to hear and refuses to hear what he doesn't want to hear. The French are a model for what the rest of the world should be like. And if Sarkosy tries to get rid of universal healthcare in France, there will be riots in the streets. They'll tar and feather him and run him out of town on a rail. Funny how these people talk about how bad UHC is in other countries, but try to take it away and there will be anarchy.
go to hospital with bad heart no insurance see if you lay there and die or get a heart pump like cheney
stevin47 1 year ago
No you dont actually pay that much more...plus id rather give my entire paycheck to the government then die of a curable disease because i was too poor to deserve to live. we have great neonatal care...yes the government can afford it. when i was 12 i went to a hospital in florida for an ear infection and was taken ahead of a room full of Americans. i remember a little girl who was bleeding from the head, all over her clothes...her and her dad were crying, they just let her sit there to die
OneManWolfPak 1 year ago
we save people and lose money we are such assholes huh ?
skayloss 1 year ago
You really think there are no private healthcare options in france, uk or canada? Go buy yourself a lame insurance plan with alot of small print.
toweronepower 1 year ago
You're not totally right about Sarkozy, he does not wish to private the system, but as the HC system needs to be reformed, he tries to compensate the HC deficits with a private system.
I am french, and I have an american friend working in France who critizised the French sytem. Fair enough. Until he got serioulsly ill and needed an operation. He could not believed how cheap has been.
But, you are right on some points, as the taxes are much higher. HC in France is good but not perfect.
maotzetof 1 year ago
By a % of a country's population more people from Canada, the UK and other countries in the EU come to the U.S. for treatment than vice versa. Also in the UK they are now cutting basic services for hip replacements, knee replacements etc according to the New York Times. Read about British Decentralizing healthcare.
dolphinsattack 1 year ago
@dolphinsattack 2008 estimated 60,000 to 85,000 medical tourists were traveling to the United States for the purpose of receiving in-patient medical care.
2007 (up from 500,000 in 2006)the same study estimated that 750,000 American medical tourists traveled from the United States to other countries.
though medical tourism TO U.S. will propably increase due to the weak dollar(if you can even grasp what that means)
your percentages are WAY off...
Darusdei 1 year ago
The U.S. has a superior system, by a % of a country's population more Canadians come to the U.S. than vice versa. It's much harder to get a primary care physician in CN as well. The U.S. has over 13% higher cancer survival rates as well. People from around the world come to the U.S. for quick care, as does world leaders. Germany has been demanding Greece privatize parts of it's healthcare system too.
dolphinsattack 1 year ago
@dolphinsattack Proof that more Canadians go to the U.S. for care? The U.S. has a combined 5 year survival rate of just under 65%, Canada, just over 62%. LESS THAN 3%. Not statistically significant. Yet, 2 million Americans have to forgo cancer treatment every year due to cost. Other's mortgage or sell their home to cover costs. A report predicts that MILLIONS of Americans will travel abroad for less expensive care this year alone, to other countries, like Canada. Do some research.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
Canada has neo natal intensive care units ALL OVER the country. Including the one my daughter was born in after my wife's emergency C-section surgery. Max, its called google, try it.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
Thanks for a well mannered video. #1 There is nothing wrong with both a public and private system, right. All public or all private has it problems. combine the two and it solves many problems. #2 Taxes. Yes they pay more taxes, but overall COST in the US is higher. It isnt taxes, but you still pay more. when you talk about canada, theyhave a HUGE country with not many people...so taxes are higher.
dac8555 1 year ago
@dac8555 Canada (I have family there) pays higher taxes BECAUSE they have an overburdened healthcare system, Healthcare is rationed and they actually have no emergency neo natal care, they send those here. I pay 600 dollars a month for a pretty good insurance policy for me and my family (4 total) I don't mind paying that cuz I pay it for me, when I'm forced to pay for you, I take issue...I have made good decisions in my life and can afford it, I shouldnt pay for ppl that make bad decisions.
Lewismadmax 1 year ago
@Lewismadmax Max, let me repeat this, WE HAVE EMERGENCY NEO NATAL CARE. ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. How do I know this. BECAUSE I LIVE HERE, and my wife and first child used the unit where I live. They are actually opening a brand new, state of the art one later this year on top of the one we've had FOR FLIPPIN YEARS. What you do with you care in the States is your choice, but for God's sake man, educate yourself or stop lying. And our taxes aren't much more than yours.
MadHabber93 1 year ago 13
@MadHabber93 Not only are the taxes not that much higher, but your expenditure for healthcare is actually less. I am so sick and tired of people here (in the USA) spouting that we have the best healthcare in the world, we obviously don't and we obviously pay more than anyone else and receive sub standard treatment for it.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Lewismadmax- I am not going ot get into a "no-win" discussion and we don't need to agree. Canada does have Neo Natal care, I promise. Canadians pay higher taxes becuse It includes healthcare, retirement, pension, and all sort of other things. I work for Scoita Bank (Canadian). They pay MUCH less per capita than in the US for health. I am glad that you have family there but global statistics are more accurate that your families personal opinions.
dac8555 1 year ago
@Lewismadmax Canada has higher taxes because they choose to have universal healthcare and a real social net. To say they have no neonatal emergency care is quite simply a lie. The only place I have found healthcare to be rationed is here in the USA, insurance companies deny payment, that is rationing or better put simply not supplying at all. Universal healthcare means that those people who have made "bad decisions" will have to pay for their own insurance.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Lewismadmax Right now you pay for everyone that doesn't have insurance. The hospitals jack up there costs to insured customers to re-coup the costs of emergency treatment for those that have no insurance. It is called uncompensated care and you are paying for it right now. If everyone has insurance and is paying a % of what they earn to pay for it, then you are not paying for anyone else. the risk pool becomes larger so the individual costs are reduced.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Lewismadmax Canadians pay less tax money for health care than Americans do.
publicgood 1 year ago
@dac8555 Our taxes aren’t actually that much higher, people here are taxed according to income, if you make less then 40,000 a yr you pay almost no taxes and you get most of what you do. The big difference is that Canada’s government (usually) is responsible when spending those taxes. If you want to know what system is better just ask yourself, if you needed million dollar surgery where would you rather live? We don’t let our citizens die for being poor
OneManWolfPak 1 year ago
@OneManWolfPak- agreed. it isnt even "die for being poor" sometimes it is die for not working for a company with good health insurance or die for being self employed.
dac8555 1 year ago
@dac8555 ...Exactly, even Americans that have great health insurance still get turned down if they develop a more complex illness. My nephew was born with cystic fibrosis, between his medication and equipment (excluding the constant month long hospital stays) is around 50-60,000 a yr. If we were Americans he would be in the ground right now. Letting a human die due to greed or indifference when you have the power to save them is almost worse then murder
OneManWolfPak 1 year ago
And there are 40 million Americans left without health insurance coverage..
PavedStones 1 year ago
And yes in Europe it is funded by taxation which is not very nice... but is the system where you get ripped off by private hospitals and greedy insurers who will drop you like a rock at the first occasion if you cease profitable really that nicer? --especially when it ends up being a. way more expensive and b. way less efficient?
PavedStones 1 year ago
Why would anybody want to adopt the free market HC system... In the US people spend more on healthcare than any other country in the world (e.g. 50% more than in France), yet this HC system is ranked by the world health organization as least good of all developed countries...
PavedStones 1 year ago
Sarkozy wants to reform the healthcare system but not adopt a US-style free market healthcare system!! Actually he was in the USA recently and he had this to say to Obama:
"But if you want me to be really honest, when we see the U.S. debate on the healthcare reform from Europe, it's difficult to believe that you have such a violent debate so that the poor are not left on the streets without a cent when they are sick ... here we've solved this problem more than 50 years ago"
PavedStones 1 year ago
another guy who uses internet to talk about issues he hasn't a single about, lewis please keep drinking your beer in front of the TV in your shithole probably somewhere in the midwest and give us a break, you've probably never been overseas and you talk about politics and healthcare policies around the world... You are appaling !
yas92 1 year ago
@yas92 I've been overseas...a lot. The only other country I've seen a doctor in is Mexico...and that's certainly not an experience I intend to repeat again!
While I don't have personal experience with the ins and outs of heath care around the world...I still have the right to my opinion. Personally, I think that "universal" health care is a great idea...and if done right would be fantastic...however, it's not going to be done right here...it's just going to make an already hurting economy worse.
Freya232006 1 year ago
Freeze is totally right. All these republicans making crazy claims are just digging themselves into hole. Soon the American people will realize how the republican party really should just be called corporate America and soon we will all turn our backs on them. Small business create 75% of jobs, fuck the giant corporations who whored out 700 billion from our lovely republican secretary of treasury and George W.
Hashjihadful 1 year ago
Hashjihadful: Your stupid, you seem to think a republican is different than a democrat when in effect, they are all crooked, Screw you and your brainwashed mind, you go on with that democrat verse republican thing, Your gonna be just as fucked tomorrow as you are today, no matter who is in office, it's just sad you dont take a stand for freedom and that means personal responsiblity.
I love freedom and I dont mind paying MY price for it...not yours!!!
Lewismadmax 1 year ago
@Lewismadmax really, so do you believe you can handle the costs of a heart bypass operation yourself or the costs of spinebifida for a child with personal responsibility? Something that you have no control over and, unless you were wealthy, could never pay for all by yourself? Everyone should have insurance and healthcare should be based on need not on ability to pay.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
How about fucking caring less of what the French government says and more about what the PEOPLE prefer, government officials are elected to serve the people, not defending their pharmaceutical mafia buddies, this system is corrupt, it's been since the Federal Reserve got its hands on this country's economy. The Banking, Pharmaceutical, FDA, just to name a few are the core of this country's problem, until you realize that your just going to be an ass licker of your political party.
Peace.
TVXQandSS501 1 year ago
but none the less, the companies you spoke of will benefit from this shit bill and we wont!
Stand and deliver friend!
Lewismadmax 1 year ago
TVX:
Government officials are elected to represent people, not to vote what the majority of their constituents want...really think about that, if that was the case, we would just poll the people and the law would require elected officials to vote according to the majority.
We elect them to vote constitutionally in our best interest, if they dont, we can replace them every 2 years.....time for some replacement!
Lewismadmax 1 year ago
@Lewismadmax government officials are elected to do the will of the people not to do what they think is best for the people. We do poll the people, you are voted in on the basis of what you say you are going to do for the people and then you are meant to do what you said you were going to, not what ever you like and consider yourself to be best.
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@TVXQandSS501
Did this guy seriously say the same thing twice?
Freya232006 1 year ago
@TVXQandSS501 So are you for or against universal healthcare?
Scootertuner1000 1 year ago
@Scootertuner1000 I'm for universal healthcare, just not this one passed it's structure I bet it wont bring the results people want and it will end up bankrupting us even more. How about we end this illegal 9 year old charade war, I think the contractors benefited enough and it could save us billions of dollars.
TVXQandSS501 1 year ago
Nobody in Europe, Japan, Canada, makes a video to tell: "Our free healthcare doesn't suck..."
It's unecessary ;)
And I don't understand why some Americans are so affraid about a system adopted by all the others developped countries...
Freez57fr 1 year ago
@Freez57fr Its simple freeze, because they believe people like Max here who make claims about other countries health systems that are bullshit, and people believe them, without actually researching and learning 'the truth' themselves. They would rather listen to someone, who has never probably even been to Canada or Europe, let alone one of their hospitals, then listen to people who live in those countries.
MadHabber93 1 year ago
I'm not American, don't try to convince me with bullshits like: "in Europe the hospitals are shitty".
I live in Europe ;)
And you, have you ever seen an European hospital? What do you know about European hospitals and their health system?
Look your T-shirt, "the truth" is only that you don't want to admit that your system is shitty because you think that is "anti-american" and "anti-patrotic" because it hurts your american ego to admit that your system is shitty.
That's stupid to be so stubborn
Freez57fr 1 year ago
Ive been to Europe, Actually, I recieved a purple heart in Camp Doha and spent quite alot of time in Germany and France and can say those hospitals are OLD and the doctors hate them and really want to be in America where we have "nice" equipment.
You sir are stupid!
Lewismadmax 1 year ago
Of course, all the Americans who make propaganda against a free health care have been in Europe.... lol
And of course, they have been in hospitals, and spoke whith doctors who said "Ohhh Europe sucks so much, I want to go in America..."
LoooooL
Always the same propaganda. Your arguments are very limited (and furthermore, wrong)
Freez57fr 1 year ago
@networkingdefence1 @Freez57fr
I am french, following all that, and I can confirm there is NO plans to drop anything whatsoever. There is a few measures to constantly reduce potential wastage but the whole population is well too attached to the overall working system to accept its removal. The system is not always perfect on a case by case basis, but in my experience, it's still better flowing and considerate to people than what I have experienced in US or even in UK.
mctechuciztecatl 1 year ago
mctechuciztecatl: eloquently put, but you miss something, the U.S. is not France. Everyone is cared for medically reagrdless of ability to pay, but they get stuck with the bill. We have a rule of law called the constitution, one can't usurp it to provide for someone who isnt responsible enough to make good decisions in life and plan for their healthcare. Our Constitution doesnt allow taking from me and giving to another by force...if the U.S. dont like it, change it! takes 2/3 of the people tho
Lewismadmax 1 year ago
Please, your Constitution was written more than 200 years ago... Some things should evolve
(for example, you changed some things about slavery, women vote, etc... It's the same for a free healthcare...)
Your healthcare system sucks and is the worst of the occidental countries.
All the developped countries (Canada, Australia, Japan, Western Europe...) have a free healthcare, except the USA...
Why? Because it hurts the Uncle Sam's ego of the US to admit that your system sucks...
Freez57fr 1 year ago
Freez57fr:
If our health care system sucks so bad, why is Canadian Premier Danny Williams having his heart surgery here and not Canada or another country you mentioned?, he stated "this is my heart, my health and my choice", wow, a rich politician in Canada making a choice not to have their crappy system or crappy doctors fix his heart, HMMMM!!!
You have been PWNED!!!
Lewismadmax 1 year ago
@Lewismadmax
I don't know the Canadian system, but it's not the best and by far. And a lot of ministers don't care in the USA... you took only an exemple... Look the majority.
If the free healthcare sucks, why NOBODY in Europe, Japan and all the others developped countries want your system? Nobody want it...
But, at the contrary, in the USA, a lot of people want a free healthcare. The debate about healthcare is in the USA, not in the other countries where everybody like their health system ;)
Freez57fr 1 year ago
Please, stop.
These numbers hurt your Uncle Sam's ego, so you can't say better than "the UN lie, they hate the US, it's a plot against the USA"... this is ridiculous and you can convince nobody with these paranoiac bullshits...
Take the numbers of the CIA World Factbook, it you'd rather:
France -> 3,33
UK -> 4,85
Canada -> 5,04
European Union (Eastern Europe include) -> 5,72
Cuba -> 5,82
United States of America -> 6,22
Freez57fr 1 year ago
Cuba is a 3rd world country, the people is poor, but thanks to its free health care this country has an infant mortality like the developped countries. Cuba has the lower infant mortality of the 3rd world countries or developping countries (and these numbers come from the CIA, so don't say that these numbers are made by anti-americans).
Japan and Western Europe have the lower infant mortality of the world thanks to their free healthcare. Why don't you admit it?
The facts are here.
Freez57fr 1 year ago
And about Belgium, it's only 1 country (France, UK... count the birth like the USA)
and even if a baby who die before 2 months is not a birth in Belgium, it's only regarding the law and the administration, but they account of these births for the international comparison (which are made about the birth certificates).
Your arguments are really desperates ;)
(I say it friendly)
Why don't you admit that your health system is the worst of the developped countries?
Freez57fr 1 year ago
(Sorry, I answered here to your other comment which is more underneath)
Freez57fr 1 year ago
Not much difference here, you are free not to claim health care if you don't want to but as long as you make money in the country, you must pay tax. Isn't it the same in US? The main difference I think is that our law forbid denying assistance to anybody in any situation. (something to do with fraternity... :-p )
mctechuciztecatl 1 year ago
We rank 37th- behind Costa Rica in quality (they are$9K per capita income) and we are more exp than rest of the world. Canada spends $300 vs U.S.$1000 per person and oh, BTW, France is #1. Since there is no compete in the US, the insur industry can charge whatever they want - that's why they banked $11 billion last yr!. They have 6 lobbyists per Sen and Rep and spending $2 milli @day on media buys. Not to worry however, Mass voted Rep in so we are boned 4 another generation.
Ur impaired!
Yelowone 2 years ago
@Yelowone
dude here in america we pay over 2.5 trillion dollars in healthcare a year, it's sad our healthcare system sucks.... it sucks bad, we just don't take care of one another its sad.. i haven't' had coverage for quite sometime... it's like if you make over 700.00 a month
networkingdefence1 1 year ago
I can tell you men you are as dumb as sarkozy
lylyad 2 years ago
Sarkosy will never create a healthcare system like American system. He will be beheaded by French people if he does ^^
French people likes his free healthcare.
If Americans don't want it and want to keep their system, that's their problem, but don't tell that France want to keep the US system as a model ^^
Sarkozy isn't stupid and he knows that the french free healthcare can't be dismantled.
It's just his opinion. He's a dumbass.
Freez57fr 2 years ago 10
@Freez57fr
I am not French but do the right thing, keep your great system, you don't want ours here in America because it sucks bad.... people get denied coverage period.. its sad..
networkingdefence1 1 year ago
@Freez57fr sarkozy just want to dismantled for private company all people in france know that and he can't go to do this thing ... (france will be burning lol)
this movie just manipulate mind in reality to persuade US people to keep their discrimanating system of health ...
US people is so easy to ignite and make angry just they speak to them of tax ...
Tax in USA is like satan to christian and evangelist dumbass' all world know that
it's distressful
alpacks 1 year ago
sarkozy is just a dumb fan of america ...
alpacks 2 years ago
Here's an obvious question to your cancer claim: If their terminal, and at their end of their life, why the hell would they go anywhere?? That's right. They don't!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MadHabber93 2 years ago
Americans Filching Free Health Care in Canada
By CLYDE H. FARNSWORTH,
Published: December 20, 1993
TORONTO, Dec. 19— Lacking a national health care system of their own, thousands of Americans are tapping into Canada's -- illegally.
A report prepared for Ontario's Health Minister indicated that from August 1992 to February 1993, 60,000 medical claims had been made on behalf of patients who held American drivers' licenses.
MadHabber93 2 years ago
This ignorant dude claims we don't have neo-natal care in Canada. A big fat LIE. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
We also don't pay 50% in income taxes. I earn low six-figures and pay about 30% in federal and provincial taxes combined. And dude, if you want to debate me, I'll bury you.
MadHabber93 2 years ago
You know much how I pay for my taxes? less than %15. And gess what... If I get sick do you know where I go? To the doctor! Ohhh but you pathetic americans cant afford to go to the doctor... guess what- I have a FUCKING job!! Do you know who you pay for with socialized health care?The 20 million illegal immigrats who pop out babies like they are going out of style and the shit bags who wont get a job. GET A JOB LAZY ASSHOLES!!! Then you an afford your own health care!
N417MA 2 years ago
@N417MA You've got a lot to learn you naive little man.
MadHabber93 2 years ago
What ever you say hancho. What ever you say.
N417MA 2 years ago
@N417MA I used to get taxed at 15% too, when I was making less than $40,000/year. And after looking at your tax brackets in the states, its the same thing.
MadHabber93 2 years ago
If they don't raise your taxes they ration your health care. There are plenty of story's of Canadian's coming to America because they got put on a waiting list to have a time sensitive operation. Good thing America bailed you guys out when your health care failed.
retsnom92 2 years ago
Get over yourself. The amount of Canadians that come go to the States is a trickle. Our health care hasn't failed, nor are we the ones looking to go to your system. Facts are 60,000 Americans try to de-fraud the Ontario health system in 92/93. That's just in one province. 750,000 Americans went abroad for healthcare, including countries like Canada. PLease, educate yourself on the subject.
MadHabber93 2 years ago
Why don't you get out head out of your stupid Canadian liberal media and learn how socialism sucks. Just because most Canadians cant afford to come to America and use GOOD health care does not mean they like there socialistic uni health. You guys have shit health care and that's why my friends in Canada complain about it all of the fucking time. Its ether too expensive or you don't get good coverage. Do some research yourself before you quote lies from your government.
retsnom92 2 years ago
I love ignorant Americans.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.
Fact: Canadian healthcare costs are FAR below the U.S.'s.
Fact: A recent poll says 70% of Canadians are satisfied with their healthcare.
Fact: Same poll, over 80% prefer our Universal system vs. the for profit system of the U.S. that results in 18,000 deaths per year due to lack of coverage or denied coverage.
Fact: All Canadians are covered under our provincial programs.
But that's OK Rets, just ignore the facts.
MadHabber93 2 years ago
And where did you get those "facts"? from your liberal media..... All health care costs the same, the only difference is the way you pay for it. You think your health care is free because your not putting money into it. But the reality is that your spending the money through taxation and not only are you paying for yourself, but your paying for the uninsured. To keep taxes down they ration and cut and deny health care so they will spend less on it.
Fact: NOTHING IS FREE, not even freedom.
retsnom92 2 years ago
Do your homework. All healthcare costs are not the same from country to country. Almost all costs, for example, hospital stays, surgeries, medication is FAR more expensive in the U.S. than EVERY other industrialized nation on the planet. These are facts, its called google, have a look.
And yes, its not free, it comes through our taxes which Canadians are happy to pay to cover our fellow countrymen. And care is not denied in Canada. You need heart surgery, you get it. Period!
MadHabber93 2 years ago
A chick from Canada needed a brain tumor removed and when she went to the doctor they put her on a waiting list. The list said it would of taken her 3 years to get the thing removed so she paid out of pocked and got it done in the USA.
With story's like that shit is not adding up with what you say so you must being lied to about "how great Canada's health care is"...
retsnom92 2 years ago
I know the case, Shona Holmes, its propaganda bs. Yes, she went to the states to have a benign cyst removed. She was put on a waiting list, and its more bullshit of it being 3 years, because it was a cyst not a tumor. Look it up on here. If it was actual tumor, she would have gotten treatment quickly. Now, you are only 24, so your experience is little to none. Look up cases of Americans on here denied insurance coverage and are now bankrupt. There's thousands of them every year in the u.s
MadHabber93 2 years ago
US is top treated for breast cancer and Europe has 3rd world treatment for it. We don't jip are doctors to work hard for less cash. We pay for a quality job. Another reason why Canada's social health does not work.
And WHY give the government more control over your life? America is about freedom not there government kissing there ass for them. The government is nothing more then law and defense against enemy's.
retsnom92 2 years ago
Yes, and Canada also has top 5 year survival rates in breast cancer, right along the States. The difference, EVERY CANADIAN gets cancer treatment quickly without EVER being denied, or losing their home, or going bankrupt in the process. And Canadian docs make once of the top salaries in the country. In Ontario, over 56% of physicians made $480,000/year. Again, do your homework.
MadHabber93 2 years ago
Why don't you do your homework because people are being put on waiting lists and having to pay higher taxes. If your in the US and your insurance covers you then you will not go bankrupt or any of that shit you just mentioned. I am don't arguing with you because your wrong and Canada's health care will never work for the US and we don't want it.
retsnom92 2 years ago
I've done my homework and work in our system. In 2008, 62% of all personal bankruptcies were because of medical bills. Of those, 78% had insurance, so you are dead wrong. If you don't believe many people in the U.S. have to decide between keeping their home or living, then you are living in a pipe dream. Look it up instead of just giving me your opinion. And, yes many don't want single payer in the U.S., but many do. And by the way, my income taxes is not that much more than the U.S.
MadHabber93 2 years ago
My family makes 100 grand a year and we had absolutely no problem making payments on any of the numerous doctor, ER, or surgical care that was expensive. And if we were about to become so freaking bankrupt, why did we get a pool put in?
If your single with no family and make 50 grand or more a year you can easily get health insurance, car insurance, and home insurance.
retsnom92 2 years ago
And yes, there are waiting lists in Canada, but most are measured in weeks for people getting elective, non emergency care. If you need an emergency operation, do you actually think we wait? And besides that, millions of Americans without insurance, or who cannot afford to pay for it, have the ultimate wait time. FOREVER!!!
MadHabber93 2 years ago
You do realize that people who work minimum wage can get health care through there jobs...
No one in America is so poor and has a job that that cant afford to help themselves..
I food store up my stream offers benefits and other perks while you make maybe 7-10 dollars an hour.
retsnom92 2 years ago
I do realize that "some" get insurance, but that does not mean they get adequate coverage. When 78% of those claiming bankruptcies actually have insurance, then there is a problem. And has far as your other comment, you do realize that there are millions of Americans who make less than $50 grand a year? You do also realize that millions of Americans are denied insurance do to a pre-existing condition? And its great your parents make good coin, as I do, but if I lose my job I'm still insured.
MadHabber93 2 years ago
May i ask you where you are getting these numbers? I don't Want to see another percentage unless you have evidence to back it up.
Second thing i have a huge problem is that you are making it out to be that allot of Americans are going bankrupt in general. Also so what if they go bankrupt because if high costing bills, its a good price to pay then to have shitty health for all and or pay high taxes. And again we do NOT want are government to be in control of are lives anymore then that are now.
retsnom92 2 years ago
@retsnom92Which numbers do you want, as I would be happy to send you the links directly. You can't post links on here.
And, in general, a lot of Americans are going bankrupt. There's a lot in Canada too, but none have to do with medical bills. Canadians don't go bankrupt over healthcare, & our health outcomes are the same as the U.S. I don't want gov't control of my life easy either, but make no mistake, the gov't doesn't decide anything about our care. HMO's do more than our gov't.
MadHabber93 2 years ago
Just take a look at Americas school system or justice system. It if operated poorly and the private schools who compete against each other have better test scores. No matter what, when you say "All can come to have an even chance" will lower the quality of the product. The public school system proves my point over and over.
retsnom92 2 years ago
Canada has a stronger survival rate because cancer patients that are terminal and towards end of life come here for treatment, Probl;em pregnancies are sent here, We count a baby as a baby after birth, Canada counts a baby as a baby if it lives for 2 weeks, India only counts a baby as a baby if it lives for 1 year, comeon, the numbers are jaded, america has the most stringent accounting and Canada has loose accounting of these numbers!
Lewismadmax 2 years ago
Yup that is very true.
retsnom92 2 years ago
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MadHabber93 2 years ago
@Lewismadmax What a pile of crap. Canada deals with its cancer patients on its own. PERIOD!! Not true. Do you have proof?? Thought not!!
Here's a fact:
According to CBS News' medical correspondent, Dr. Jon LaPook, out of the 680,000 or so new cancer cases diagnosed last year, nearly 70 percent of patients, despite health insurance, are either debt-ridden or face the difficult choice of paying for necessities or paying for their cancer care.
Your pregnancy claim is also a joke!!
MadHabber93 2 years ago
@Lewismadmax
Sorry but what are you saying is totally wrong. Don't make misinformation.
The rates are made by the UNESCO for the international comparisons, with the SAME criterias for all the countries.
Infant mortality is defined as the number of infant deaths (1 year of age or younger) per 1000 live births. It's the same for all countries.
And the fact is: you have the worst infant mortality of occidental countries (and worst than Cuba)
And you child mortality (5 years of age) is even worst.
Freez57fr 1 year ago
Freez57fr: YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY WRONG!! Unesco uses the criteria provided them by the countries...those numbers are a fallacy, we count all births be it live or dead as a birth, also, Most problem pregnancies in Canada are sent here as they have no neo-natal care. In Belgium if a child doesnt live for 2 months it's not counted as a birth, I cant believe you would cite numbers provided by the UN, they hate the US and everything they do and say reflect that, go to each country and look not the UN
Lewismadmax 1 year ago
muratshawn, you are a fool if you believe people in National health care countries have better care. Cancer? my friends husband (in England) had prostate cancer at 52 years old. He was deemed to old for "expensive" health care. . . so they kept changing his appointments until at 57 years old he was dead from Cancer. Obviously it was treatable
. . . If you noticed it took five years to kill him without care. . . Don't bullsh*t people. Tell the truth.
xtaxplayer 2 years ago
xtaxplayer.. You pull out a few isolated cases about UK health care and try to scaremonger US citizen's. No health care system is perfect. That aside how many Americans die because they don't have heart disease diagnosed which could save them. Cases where people get stomach pains and die from ruptured appendix, because they don't see a doctor because of massive medical bills they will incur. 45,000 cases are similar to that.
jsa2001 2 years ago
Most people die from heart disease because they are ignorant slobs. They stuff their face until they weigh 375lbs, they get diabetes, COPD because they smoke 2 packs a day, their stomach hurts because of their enlarged liver caused by drinking and you are trying to tell me that they need a doctor to tell them they have heart disease? thats a load of crap, privatize health care does not kill an one, preventable diseases like trauma, COPD, and heart disease kill fat and or ignorant people.
N417MA 2 years ago
mechelle68, who makes more money?? Not Canadians, English, French, Germans or Spanish. Maybe you should stop the lie's and get off your backside and travel. I have and do. Your prim us is flawed. Stop trying to ruin the Health care in America. . . If you don't like it leave. . . If you are not in America then don't go there. . . either way, STOP THE LIE'S
xtaxplayer 2 years ago
This guy is a white trash moron. I bet this guy lives in the midwest. The guy needs to venture out and travel the worldand get his own resources.
nrsmith2 2 years ago
The flaw in this guy's argument about "paying more taxes" is, they make more money on average, so the "bring home" pay amounts to be the same. The difference is, everyone is covered for healthcare.
Mechelle68 2 years ago
that kind of video is why I like youtube :)
I think you're oversimplifying the healthcare tax system way too much. The french one at least. Not everything goes into healthcare, about 50% of the monthly pay goes to old people already.
But the problem is the way tax money is spent in general. it's just plain wasted. I doubt a lot goes to wars in France but damn, in stupid vacation trips with 100 guests when not too crowdy, trendy dresses, the universal debt of course, cover ups etc...
stazzou 2 years ago
So many people are uneducated and dumb,thats why you need to explain to them everything,otherwise they think "see they have private insurance too" but its completely different. You know in those countries,people do not have to beg their neighborhood,friends,schools for donation,if someone has cancer or got into an accident and needs to collect money for the bill....that US for you.Universal healthcare,gives you a 100% protection,you'll never be in debt because of a surgery/illness/dr. visit etc
muratshawn 2 years ago
I can only recall one instance of a woman going to the US to give birth - she was having quads and there weren't 4 NICU beds available for them locally. So they were sent south of the border *at government expense*, which is undoubtedly cheaper than keeping four funded NICU beds open at any given time just in case some quads are born.
jgould27 2 years ago
Whats with the baby pictures, and silly music overlay?
The guy seems sincere.
I wonder how his debate with the woman turned out? He spoke of how smart she was cause she learned so much from "short videos".
Short videos may be fine, depends on the truth and depth behind them. But they are also ripe with bullshit and distortion. Fairtax -- a farce if there ever was one - is an example.
Remember -- bullshit in, bullshit out.
12FlyMe 2 years ago
he doesn't what he is talking about WE HAVE UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE IS MEDICARE AND MEDICAID
FAXBEAT 2 years ago
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You won't here the dems breath a word of truth because power is the cure. They want to control the masses, Teddy Roosevelt first proposed national health insurance in 1912, FDR proposed it again in the 1930s. Harry Truman proposed it again in the 1940s. They've been waiting along time for this progressive power holy grail issue, healthcare is the way to pure Socialism, Reagan was warning of this as far back as the 60s.
hellotommy 2 years ago
Teddy was a Republican.. Stop your propaganda and learn the facts.
mrsthursday 2 years ago
Teddy was a progressive Rep, the dems took the movement from republicans in 1912.
Barrack Hussein Obama mmm, mmm, mm.
These are the facts mrsthursday.
hellotommy 2 years ago
The grass is always greener on the other side
We have to stop this
Lose the music dude, good video though.
phantomcharger 2 years ago
What? Stop advancing and growing into a country that isn't too stubborn and ridiculous to learn from others?? Or do u mean making the country a joke AGAIN in the eyes of the world? I know, I know screw the world well bud, your fellow idiots have already done that already. ie Iraq, Afghanistan, the world financial depression. Well screwed. Answer that.
mrsthursday 2 years ago
Mrs, thank you. I am very passionate about this issue,because I am in the healthcare field and deal with patients 24/7. Plus, I lived in Germany and France,so I know first hand the truth about Universal Healthcare. In those countries,the "private" insurance companies are strickly regulated,and plus its completely different than what we have.There,a private insurance option garantees you,to always see the head physician at the hopsital,having a private room etc,its like flying 1st class
muratshawn 2 years ago
\muratshawn.yep. I was born in UK and lived in Canada so looks like that the only way the US is gonna learn how Uni-care actually is, is from people who have actually experienced it! sigh.
mrsthursday 2 years ago
thank you sweetie, its troubeling though,how so many folks in the US who are against this are so ignorant,not realizing,how much they would benefit from it. I am pretty sure,the greedy profit making insurance companies are like "yes,we need more of those dummies who want to keep us in buisness,so we can rip them off longer" its shocking,why anyone with a normal educated brain,could possibly support a private profit insurance company running healthcare,dont they get it, thats not right?
muratshawn 2 years ago
you mention the U.S. screwing the world, well, we supply 2/3 of the worlds rice, we provide funding for 92% of the worlds aids research, we give more per capita to help other countries than any other country in the world...we didnt get that way by following weaker countries.
Condemn the U.S. if ya will, but the world needs us strong, when we are not...the world suffers, get over yourself.
btw: I wonder if we quit shipping food, how the world would do.
you are trite, jaded and condescending!
Lewismadmax 2 years ago
wow. you're awful bitter aren't you.
mrsthursday 2 years ago
Dont talk bullshit, you supply Structural Adjustment Programs to third world countries which keeps them poor, Take Africa it could feed itself but for the IMF.
These sap programs makes profits for Western multinational corporations while subjecting Third World countries to horrendous levels of poverty, unemployment, malnutrition, illiteracy and economic decline.
jsa2001 2 years ago
whats with the shitty music fucking hell way to ruin a good video
beefking69er 2 years ago
Beer cost the same in Canada
I go there once a month.
Taxes are a bit higher but you save money on not buying insurance, in the long run you save about 800 bucks a year (american)
Just another scare tactic based with lies.
Bismarck3000 2 years ago 2
yep this guy is a lying prat. official.
mrsthursday 2 years ago
I am a Nurse, was raised in Germany and France,both countries have universal single payer health care,any illness,any surgery for free.Its all paid and financed by tax payer. In France,a country I lived in, will not and would never get rid of universal healthcare.And remember,private healthinsurance in europe is strictly regulated,all u pay is you premium,everything is still free and 100% covered,unlike in the US.Not one single person in europe,would trade their plan,with ours,NOT ONE!!!
muratshawn 2 years ago
I'm with u muratshawn. No country with uni-care has ever EVER gone back to a fee-for-treatment scheme like that in the US. Old saying ' the proof of the pudding is in the eating'. I thought the US was over making themselves the laughing stock of the world, I guess not yet.
mrsthursday 2 years ago
I believe in universal healthcare but there should be exclusions; for example, if you've ever been convicted of a felony then you don't get any coverage. Plus, the government needs to invest more money in medical scholarships and better facilities so we have adequate manpower and resources.
fooschnikens 2 years ago
try to consider the right to be healthy as a "primal right", as a human right if you want.
Sure it's not written on that 10 commendments stone thing but neither is it said that slavery sucks...
stazzou 2 years ago
couldn't agree more. nice way of putting it. anti-uni-care-rightwingnuts suck..
mrsthursday 2 years ago
Why should someone not get care if they have a felony?
debidodaday 2 years ago
foos -- great ideas. Don't give coverage to crooks and violent felons.
Notice all those thugs getting shot -- many have been fixed up 2-3 times. All free, all paid for by someone else.
Have basic care for all law abiding citizens. No care for thugs, no care for health care fraud. For life -- if they try to scam health care -- no help for their entire lives.
FilmCriticOne 2 years ago 2
Who said we have computers, etc cause of USA?
Raised in America, I too thought America invented everything, America saved the world,etc.
You can even graduate college in USA and still be that stupid. France is amazing at technology, you dumb ass.
America was hot shit for 100 years, but now its old, partly senile, over crowded, deeply in debt,dvided. America had more slaves than anyone, more wars for its history than anyone - and we lost wars. Love America but know the truth.
FilmCriticOne 2 years ago
Ask a American college graduate who is the vice president of the USA. They don't know
FAXBEAT 2 years ago
Very interesting. Sincere guy.
Why the hell does he have the goofy music playing?
He has some good points, I learned some stuff. I hope he improves his techinque.
Nothing stays the same -- France used to have no public health care. None. Then it went too far. That's happens,. Now they are pulling back.
You need a balance, and there are no easy answers.
Thanks for the video -- nice job, lose the music.
FilmCriticOne 2 years ago
There would be wide protests and riots galore if Sarkozy were to have the gall to bestow France with a heartless and evil HMO-based system. Keep in mind these are the French and NOT APATHETIC AMERICANS, they will fight and rise up! French system is the finest in the world and they should fight for it, tooth and nail!
Fuck the U.S. and their greed!
Cordero787 2 years ago
apathetic americans, how dare you...didnt french students protest the government because they passed laws that students could be fired for not doing there job?
Didnt Sarkozy ask french ppl, "just work over 30 hours a week"? "it will be tax free"?
Sure he did, cuz the cheese eating surrender monkeys known as french people are lazy and need to be made to work harder.
Say what you want about USA, but we make the world our Biiiiiaaatch!!!!!
we have electricity, comnputer and cars because of usa.
Lewismadmax 2 years ago
americans didnt invent the modern computers the brits did during WW2, the car was invented in Germany, and a vast number of people contributed to the modern use of elecctricity. it has to be said though in America it is only the rich who have a say
NIRL91 2 years ago
Cordero is right! I'm French and we would hang Sarkozy for ruining our health care to copy American evil system. We would fight and win! And yes, we are not like apathetic Americans who were too busy shooting deer and watching football to have the courage to rise up against Bush for 8 years.
Sadier888 2 years ago
yea i agree, there would be a revolution, again! firstly the French are, at heart a leftist country, having one of the best welfare states in Europe, secondly the French hate nearly everything American, thirdly they really regret electing Sarkozy, it would probably require a referendum, otherwise next time the Parti Socialiste get in it will be overturned immediately. France has always had a nice mix of government and private, i think the UK used to but went to far, ironic as we have the NHS
NIRL91 2 years ago
yea i'd be an awful shame if we europeans had to work for a living, all the hard working ambitious europeans are Americans
kubaniski 2 years ago 2
Just because that idiot Sarkozy doesn't agree with universal healthcare doesn't mean the French people don't. There would be wide protests in France if they were forced to spend half of their paychecks on something they had for free. Not to mention having shit-for-brains "doctors" like in the USA.
hectorbolshevik 2 years ago
Preparedness for swine flu. France has enough antiviral drugs in store to treat 52% of its population, the UK 50% of its population ... the US 25% of its population.
chrisdahms 2 years ago
and yet we are so healthy we dont die from swine flu, wow, what does that say, not only that, we dont die from avian flu...France cant say that, UK cant say that, so shut up you cheese eating surrender monkey!
Lewismadmax 2 years ago
we all complain but thats because we are truly free!
americans have no real concept of real freedom you are indoctrinated by us media and companies it's not right because american people are wonderful and friendly hard working good natured people. and deserve inclusion into the world community you need a real social democratic revolution
WhiteLionV1 3 years ago 3
Canada has neonatal care.
keenanmartens 3 years ago
Nonsense! France would never allow their citizens to suffer on a mass scale like America via an exclusive HC system. The French mindset will never be as yankee-selfish driven! Baisez vou! Brulez dans l'enfer George Bush!
Euthanizednigga666 3 years ago
You say that the cost of goods will go up, like beer for example and you're right. But, your country is one of the fattest in the world. My country is fat, but yours is fatter. Considering how cheap and easy it is for you to get your fast food, it comes as no surprise that your country's waste line is so large. An increase in the cost of things like this might actually help. Yeah as a canadian I complain about a 12 pack costing 20 bucks, but I don't complain about a lack of health care.
keenanmartens 3 years ago
In countries ranked in the worlds top 10 for H.C. (like france), this is not even a debate. Yet in U.S it is widely debated. Clearly a change of some sort is needed. Yes France is implementing private HC to compete with the public system. Competition is the reason that most experimental drugs and new therapies used around the world, come from the U.S. But France IS the best in the world in HC. The ppl there live longer. They have a balanced system that uses both private AND socialized.
keenanmartens 3 years ago
what the fuck is this guy talking about. Typical American propaganda: a typical "laid-back" average joe with american patriotic music in the background talking about how great america is. brainwashing at the highest level.
N1ChelseaSupporter 3 years ago
I like how you formed your arguments, this was good to watch, and much more plausible then a lot of the other arguments I've heard (e.x: UHC is a communist agenda) But you should consider that currently Americans pay the highest HC taxes in the world. Under a UHC system, we would find that it's much cheaper to pay through taxes rather than privately, for several reasons, the biggest probably being that preventative medicine would be practiced by a much wider spectrum of people.
TakingBackTeatime45 3 years ago
nah sarkozy won't change the healthcare system, he can't.. people are way too sensitive about that subject in France or other european countries.
beside we don't give away 50% of our salary, it's between 15 and 20% for a middle class type person, but yeah we do pay quite a lot of taxes on goods such as gaz, cars.. ect
free healthcare for everyone is not a system made to be profitable economically but rather socially, a word that seems to scare a lot of americans.
s0undActivist 3 years ago
You are a shiteater!
iGodYou 3 years ago
i think this guy REALLY misses the point of universal healthcare - a typical feature of conservatives. think about it...yeah, we complain about taxes for things, especially when we think we don't need them - but if you suddenly needed it, wouldn't you be glad you had that system in place and didn't have a massive hospital bill at the end of it.
lichenxu123 3 years ago
Yes, we have waiting lists in the UK, but personally I'd rather wait for surgery than not get it at all. And I am so grateful I don't have to worry about getting a denied claim and being left to die because my insurance company fucked me over.
And nobody here goes bankrupt from medical bills either.
This is just another example of American arrogance, considering your health statistics are some of the worst in the industrialised world. Grow up!
PimakDadhi 3 years ago 2
absolutely! the ultra conservatives in america immediately attack things like Michael Moore's "Sicko" as a direct attack on the actual quality of health care in ameria - but that's not the case - it's an attack on the sheer lack of principle in the US - the idea that you can't get the healthcare you NEED. it's not good having the best care when you can't bloody well pay for it! haha.
lichenxu123 3 years ago 2
If you have private health care insurance in the U.S. you get the quickest and the best health care in the world. And it would be even better if the HC industry in the U.S. weren't so heavily regulated. By why not make it voluntary? Everybody who wants to enlist in a government-run HC program can do so and everybody who wants to have market-based HC can choose that (with correspondant tax cut of course). Why do you need to _force_ others into your system?
Jocke1776 3 years ago
What do you mean governments can't afford healthcare??? It's got to be a hell of a lot cheaper than the War in Iraq, right?
And how can you say your healthcare doesn't suck when upwards of 700,000 people every year are going bankrupt from healthcare costs (by the way, around 75% of them DID have insurance).
(Source: a study by Harvard University)
PimakDadhi 3 years ago 5
Ignorant moron posing as someone that knows anything.
twochordcool 3 years ago 2
As an American living in Germany for 12 years now... Regarding paying higher taxes... yes Europeans often pay higher taxes. I know that I have been frustrated at times with all the tax I must pay but the benefits are endless... quality education, FREE to minimal cost for Univ. education, functional bureaucratic departments, social programs for the unemployed, homeless, the poor.
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lisaguurl 3 years ago 3
I have been to dozens of European cities and I have never seen the abject poverty and crime as I have seen in a typical American city. Are the extra taxes worth living in a functional educated society, where the cities are livable, where health care is expected... you bet your bottom dollar it is. Regarding luxuries like beer, gas, automobiles, boats for example where you pay a higher amount than in America, also acceptable to me because they are just that - luxuries.
lisaguurl 3 years ago 5
I am an American living in Germany for the last 12 years. I am self-employed and as such I am not able to participate in National Healthcare but pay privately for insurance. Employed people, if they earn over a certain amount, are allowed to opt-out of national healthcare and buy private insurance. Have I heard of great differences between the two (private vs. national), I have not heard of the actual care being different. Waiting times or single rooms have been what I have seen or heard.
lisaguurl 3 years ago 2
By the way... While we are on the subject of booze. In Germany you can find a 1 liter of vodka for $ 9 dollars, a 24 pack (!!!) of beer for $ 9 dollars and a bottle of wine for 1 us$. (1 liter is about 1/4 gallon). And guess what? Yes they have universal healthcare... This dude does NOT know what he is talking about. Maby he is drunk on that 8.99 us$ beer he was talking about... cheers! (klink)
gabbe81 3 years ago 2
Fine lie all you want. But lets see how you defend your system when you get sick. Because that's all it comes down to. while you are getting demands of $2000 in deductible, I will be in the ward allready getting treatment. while you are fighting with your insurance company, i will pay a $20 patience fee. while you will be bankrupt, my gouverment will pay me money while i'm unable to work. There is a reason why US hates the word "socialized". Because it's European, and better...
gabbe81 3 years ago 2
amet1980 3 years ago
Yes, America has lower marinal tax rates. We just print the money to fill in the gap.
rdavola 3 years ago 3
rdavola:
That is a whole other discussion my friend
Lewismadmax 3 years ago
no sir, that's the same, you don't pay as many taxes as we do in Europe, but you have to think that you don't get any pension, UHC, free Universities, as I do in Europe. Your average tax preassure is 32% while in Europe the average is 45%, make numbers you will see who is wrong
frayperico 3 years ago 2
Come on guy! Sarkozy doesn't reveal the french opinion about health care. I can see you are not so aware about french politic. Your words are full of bulshit. Healthcare permit french even if we have a lot of taxes) to not be in the street if we have a very important health problem. But because of asholes like sarkozy we are going to lose that. Can't you understand that there are some subjects it's important that the community takes care. Health is part of it.
clemence123 3 years ago
Clemence123: How about peoploe not having kids unless they can afford them, How about people working instead of partying and druging it up, if ya want healthy life, live healthy and dont have kids you cant afford.
So sorry to here about you folks in france having to pay for your own way through life, but...TUFF SHIT!
Lewismadmax 3 years ago
Sorry i can't follow you and your wonderfull mentality. I just hope you'll never have a big health issue. Do you really believe that it's normal to let people die cause they don't have enough money to afford hospital spend? And you know as me that its not always possible to have a "healthy life". We are not all equal face to health. Maybe one day you won't be a wealthy and you'll dont have the same speaking.
Sorry for my english
clemence123 3 years ago
The title already shows the author of the video's ignorance: "France diagrees". Sarkosy does not equal the French, trust me.
crazylouis14 3 years ago
Also, as another French person commented, the French and Europeans in general are not afraid of their government. They stand for what they think is right and often succeed, especially these days with the new president Nicolas Sarkosy who thinks he can just reform the whole system without asking the people. And the result is there, Sarkosy has a very low approval rate. Hum, that reminds of someone else... Bush maybe?
crazylouis14 3 years ago
Can't be that low if both leaders get elected.
timbosforporn 3 years ago
Maybe we do pay a little higher taxes in Europe, but we care for everyone, EVERYONE! Not just the wealthy.
crazylouis14 3 years ago
This guy does not know what he is talking about. I am French and can tell you that Europeans are not paying such higher taxes. Also, I don't understand where people's moral values have gone. I personally am not religious at all yet I do have ethics and anyone who is a Christian knows that we should all help each other if we want to live better lives. Now, is that what we are doing by leaving out 47 million Americans?
crazylouis14 3 years ago
I think his problem is, he only listens to half the story. He hears what he wants to hear and refuses to hear what he doesn't want to hear. The French are a model for what the rest of the world should be like. And if Sarkosy tries to get rid of universal healthcare in France, there will be riots in the streets. They'll tar and feather him and run him out of town on a rail. Funny how these people talk about how bad UHC is in other countries, but try to take it away and there will be anarchy.
denimblueindigo 3 years ago