And if you notice on that video, the person in white did try a few jumping attacks. You can tell that the man in black wasn't expecting them, but managed to defend against them anyway.
@sterlingsilverf Well yes I did defend myself but not because she did something wrong, she just did it in the wrong moment. And I did expect them, it's something callec tactics.
Exactly.. please share with us your deep experence on youtube and bring with it some motion pictures of some duels from the past, because you obviously sleep in a time machine... otherwise how could you tell that "they didn't do that in a real fight!!!"
@shpyllah Dude, there are some duels on YT from the 1913 and on but they really look crap :) Simply waving swords at one another, not too fencingish, I'd say :)
Especially at this video there are so much flashes!!! They are so deep! This techniq simply never used in the past. You did not find description it any treatises. This is simply extrimply dangerous!
But as I said before it is normal for pure sport fencing. Classical fencing at the beginning avoided flashes as well because all emphasis was at the hand and fingers techniq.
What's wrong with fleche's? They're supposed to be deep for Pete's sake! Was it never used in the past? Well so were the lunges in the 1500's and 1600's from what I remember yet I doubt you deny their use, am I correct?
Fencing is, generally speaking, a dangerous business. Not using offensive manouevers will pit you against someone, who will an you will be unprepared for that.
Hand and fingers technique? Don't you mean that classical fencers simply lacked the proper footwork?.
@jbujko If you would reread his comment, you would see that he never says anything against them, just that they don't happen in classical fencing.
If your technical skill is great enough, then it doesn't matter if you've seen it before, if it has the elements of an attack then you can tailor a defence to it. And by the way, normal lunges *are* offensive maneuvers.
Do you really want to go there? Do you really want to tell me that spending half of the time off of the ground is proper?
@sterlingsilverf Do I? Of course I do! Do you really want to tell me that any amount of time spend off the ground is hindering a fencers effectiveness? Have you ever taken a good look at the most common dynamical imbalance there is - walking? Don't get me started on running..
Good technique is separate from tactics which is also separate from experience. Only all of those combined with proper footwork and adequate phisical traits make a proper fencer.
@jbujko Fencers should not jump for the same reason most other martial artists don't. Power and balance come from the ground, through the legs. If you jump, sure you get your power from the take off with the back foot, but because you have lost contact with the ground, you have minimal balance and you can't add more power if you need to.
Also, as you can see in the video, when the fencers jump, there is a recovery time. Most fencers would pick up on that and kill you while you tried to balance.
@sterlingsilverf Other martial artists? Like boxers? Taekwondo guys? MMA?
I see that your line of thought is severely interrupted here - the mobility and speed comes from pushing your feet against the ground and technically speaking almost all of the steps people make are really very small jumps and imbalances. The power to move and the mobility comes from starting a jump and from landing and starting another one. Being off ground is just a part of the dynamic process which is footwork.
The great French writer of the time Moliere brilliantly defined the essence of Fencing: "Fencing is the art of attacking, not getting them in return. The need to touch the enemy, avoiding his punches, makes the art of fencing is extremely complex and difficult, because the eye that sees and warns of reason, which discusses and decides to hand, which does need to add accuracy and speed in order to provide adequate living weapons "
very good fencing. Good techniq. But I have to say to those people who will look at it that this is not a classical fencing. This is a pure modern sport fencing with running, flashes, both touches. Even if there are small swords in your hands.
Classical fencing and fencing with small sword are the very different with the modern sport fencing. Plese take it into account for right understanding of terminology and different styles.
@iandr2008 Pure modern sport fencing? With smallswords? With the use of the unarmed hand?
Do you honestly think that classical fencers do not make double hit? It was an element of real duels and it's still present in modern fencing, deal with it.
Don't jump, and bring the parries tighter. Honestly, this is disgraceful. This looks like sport fencers who have been given real weapons. And we know how dangerous that is!
@jbujko My point was that calling this classical fencing is a disgrace, an insult, to real classical fencers. I am a classical fencer myself, and I take offense that you would lump this in with real classical fencing.
@sterlingsilverf Or really? An insult? How splendid! So being a true-blood real classical fencer surely you can easily point out some representative videos of classical fencing and a video of yourself perhaps?
@jbujko My sala doesn't take videos, and our freinds that do post them on fb, not youtube, but I did find a decent bout. They are fencing landscape, so them not being on a piste is normal. The fencer in black is obviously the senior, both by the color of his jacket and the way he fences.
@sterlingsilverf Landscape? You mean the "Sword and Dagger - Assalto di Spada e daga sola punta" by Scrimitator? If you do then.. *sigh* The fencer in black is obvoisly the senior because he looks tired. His footwork is slow and stiff. His adversary is litlle more mobile but both look rather like killing time than one another.
And if you notice on that video, the person in white did try a few jumping attacks. You can tell that the man in black wasn't expecting them, but managed to defend against them anyway.
sterlingsilverf 11 months ago
@sterlingsilverf Well yes I did defend myself but not because she did something wrong, she just did it in the wrong moment. And I did expect them, it's something callec tactics.
jbujko 11 months ago
I was having trouble with the link, this is the title.
Assalto di Spada e daga sola punta
sterlingsilverf 11 months ago
Exactly.. please share with us your deep experence on youtube and bring with it some motion pictures of some duels from the past, because you obviously sleep in a time machine... otherwise how could you tell that "they didn't do that in a real fight!!!"
shpyllah 11 months ago
@shpyllah Dude, there are some duels on YT from the 1913 and on but they really look crap :) Simply waving swords at one another, not too fencingish, I'd say :)
jbujko 11 months ago
Especially at this video there are so much flashes!!! They are so deep! This techniq simply never used in the past. You did not find description it any treatises. This is simply extrimply dangerous!
But as I said before it is normal for pure sport fencing. Classical fencing at the beginning avoided flashes as well because all emphasis was at the hand and fingers techniq.
iandr2008 11 months ago
What's wrong with fleche's? They're supposed to be deep for Pete's sake! Was it never used in the past? Well so were the lunges in the 1500's and 1600's from what I remember yet I doubt you deny their use, am I correct?
Fencing is, generally speaking, a dangerous business. Not using offensive manouevers will pit you against someone, who will an you will be unprepared for that.
Hand and fingers technique? Don't you mean that classical fencers simply lacked the proper footwork?.
jbujko 11 months ago
@jbujko If you would reread his comment, you would see that he never says anything against them, just that they don't happen in classical fencing.
If your technical skill is great enough, then it doesn't matter if you've seen it before, if it has the elements of an attack then you can tailor a defence to it. And by the way, normal lunges *are* offensive maneuvers.
Do you really want to go there? Do you really want to tell me that spending half of the time off of the ground is proper?
sterlingsilverf 11 months ago
@sterlingsilverf Do I? Of course I do! Do you really want to tell me that any amount of time spend off the ground is hindering a fencers effectiveness? Have you ever taken a good look at the most common dynamical imbalance there is - walking? Don't get me started on running..
Good technique is separate from tactics which is also separate from experience. Only all of those combined with proper footwork and adequate phisical traits make a proper fencer.
Proper is what is effective, not pretty
jbujko 11 months ago
@jbujko Fencers should not jump for the same reason most other martial artists don't. Power and balance come from the ground, through the legs. If you jump, sure you get your power from the take off with the back foot, but because you have lost contact with the ground, you have minimal balance and you can't add more power if you need to.
Also, as you can see in the video, when the fencers jump, there is a recovery time. Most fencers would pick up on that and kill you while you tried to balance.
sterlingsilverf 11 months ago
@sterlingsilverf Other martial artists? Like boxers? Taekwondo guys? MMA?
I see that your line of thought is severely interrupted here - the mobility and speed comes from pushing your feet against the ground and technically speaking almost all of the steps people make are really very small jumps and imbalances. The power to move and the mobility comes from starting a jump and from landing and starting another one. Being off ground is just a part of the dynamic process which is footwork.
jbujko 11 months ago
The great French writer of the time Moliere brilliantly defined the essence of Fencing: "Fencing is the art of attacking, not getting them in return. The need to touch the enemy, avoiding his punches, makes the art of fencing is extremely complex and difficult, because the eye that sees and warns of reason, which discusses and decides to hand, which does need to add accuracy and speed in order to provide adequate living weapons "
iandr2008 11 months ago
Dear Colleagues,
very good fencing. Good techniq. But I have to say to those people who will look at it that this is not a classical fencing. This is a pure modern sport fencing with running, flashes, both touches. Even if there are small swords in your hands.
Classical fencing and fencing with small sword are the very different with the modern sport fencing. Plese take it into account for right understanding of terminology and different styles.
iandr2008 11 months ago
@iandr2008 Pure modern sport fencing? With smallswords? With the use of the unarmed hand?
Do you honestly think that classical fencers do not make double hit? It was an element of real duels and it's still present in modern fencing, deal with it.
jbujko 11 months ago
Don't jump, and bring the parries tighter. Honestly, this is disgraceful. This looks like sport fencers who have been given real weapons. And we know how dangerous that is!
sterlingsilverf 1 year ago
@sterlingsilverf Disgraceful? We didn't know tht grace was being judged.. Can I get some extra hits through the chest because I fence pretty?
jbujko 11 months ago
@jbujko My point was that calling this classical fencing is a disgrace, an insult, to real classical fencers. I am a classical fencer myself, and I take offense that you would lump this in with real classical fencing.
sterlingsilverf 11 months ago
@sterlingsilverf Or really? An insult? How splendid! So being a true-blood real classical fencer surely you can easily point out some representative videos of classical fencing and a video of yourself perhaps?
jbujko 11 months ago
@jbujko My sala doesn't take videos, and our freinds that do post them on fb, not youtube, but I did find a decent bout. They are fencing landscape, so them not being on a piste is normal. The fencer in black is obviously the senior, both by the color of his jacket and the way he fences.
sterlingsilverf 11 months ago
@sterlingsilverf Landscape? You mean the "Sword and Dagger - Assalto di Spada e daga sola punta" by Scrimitator? If you do then.. *sigh* The fencer in black is obvoisly the senior because he looks tired. His footwork is slow and stiff. His adversary is litlle more mobile but both look rather like killing time than one another.
jbujko 11 months ago
What is the music of this video?
szmesz 1 year ago
Wypas! :D
jbujko 2 years ago