I imagine this song is heard by twins right in the moment when the mother gives birth to the first child and they are forced to leave the so highly loved brother without knowing of their next meeting in the outside world.
The repetition is taken from right point. Chopin's hand-signed manuscript: imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/9/94/IMSLP80861-PMLP02363-op_35_sonata_no_2_autograph.pdf
My god he haaaas to record his version of this sonata, Zimermans interpretation is absolutely amazing ( Ivo Pogorelichs version is also something else which i really recomend).
i was very lucky to hear him playboth the 2nd and 3rd sonatas live in concert. i asked him if he had any plans to record these sonatas. he said no. this is almost a tragedy in my view.
needless to say his performances of these sonatas were absolutely fantastic!
Hundreds time I've heard this sonata played by the greatest pianists of the 20th century, but under Zimerman's fingers I've the sensation to listen to Op.35 for the first time....
There's another school of thought about the repeat here. I'm inclined to believe that the edition is faulty and should be observed at measure 5 - and that Zimerman is well aware of the discrepancy. It makes no sense doing it from the very beginning, and very few pianist observe it that way anyway. In fact, still very few play the repeat at all!
I have heard Horowitz do it worse than this, but, nevertheless this is nothing to be proud of, he has no overall convincing concept for the movement at all, and this pianist is supposed to be good in that area, i.e. the "overall conceptions" . On local detail he always sucks big time, so I did not expect much, and, obviously, did not get it.
Heard him play this piece on Thursday at the Vienna Musikverein.. it was pretty great. Unfortunately, he didn't play an encore, no idea why. Can't have been because of lacking applause.
I completely disagree. This is the first time this movement has really made sense to me.Think of how that sounds with the dev making a big series/mod out of the first two bars aug 6th.i think his sense& philos of Chopin knew this is the way to do it.I have all the supposedly great versions. Godowsky,Rach,Cortot,Horo,Rub .Michelangeli ,Uchida etc. Here I feel Z. has incorrigible taste and sense of structure.The slowing down of those opening measures? These people have access to much we do not.
@yokusienka Vous parlez du récital à la Salle Pleyel, le 1er mars 2010? Moi aussi, j'y étais, et ce que vous dites est vrai. Heureusement, Monsieur Zimerman a un sens d'humour. Franchement, les auditeurs ont commencé à me taper sur les nerfs... Mais, je pense que c'est le récital le plus passionnant auquel j'ai jamais assisté... Zimerman est LE meilleur interprète de Chopin, en mon opinon. J'espère moi aussi qu'il reviendra...
Oui, exacetement. Je suis une grande amatrice de la musique de Chopin. J'ai écouté Zymerman quatre fois : deux fois au Japon, une fois en Pologne, une fois (c'est cette fois-ci). Ses concerts, qui j'ai écoutés étaient toujours manifique, donc j'éspère que la qualité de l'auditeur sera amériorée dans sa prochaine concert. C'est vrai qu'il a un très bon sens d'houmour et je crois que c'est la meilleure qualité de Polonais (J'ai habité à Cracovie pendant 10 ans )
wonderful zimerman!! but...the repetition is not taken from the right point! the repetition must be played from the beginning, and not from the 5th bar!! it's a misprint of the first german edition, 1840.
@sibelius999 i seriously doubt that zimerman plays anything without a solid knowledge about given piece. So I doubt he does it accidentally. I mean he may just know better.
@sibelius999 Maybe you are right. But i dont think it metter at all. chopin, might have wanted it to be played like that, but we dont care, because we know that what chopind really wanted is that the idea of the peace, and the story will be shown. the messege has to be delivered, and it is delivered in the same quality even with 4 bars less, and even with a few wrong notes (even if there would be allot of mistakes).
J'irai le voir jouer cette sonate ainsi que la 3ème à la salle Pleyel le 10 mars prochain ! En attendant j'écoute cette vidéo pour avoir un avant-goût...
superb reading of this music! which always dominates the player - no matter how great! The enigma of it defies perfection...yet the passion of this playing, especially in the last few pages, stands up well against anything on disc, it seems to me. Pure Zal.
Amigo, es un La, y lo rozó, seguramente con el Sib, se le resbaló un poco, en fin, nadie es perfecto, sólo me llamó la atención porque fue al final. La interpretación es excelente, brillante, y no es gran cosa. Al menos no fue un error "asqueroso", y le dio un toque bueno al final... No era crítica, era, insisto, porque me llamó la atención que fuera al final. Quizá fue voluntario, porque fue un error muy "perfecto", que sonó bien... En fin...
I imagine this song is heard by twins right in the moment when the mother gives birth to the first child and they are forced to leave the so highly loved brother without knowing of their next meeting in the outside world.
OneTrickPony33 1 month ago
What a Sonata!!! I could hear it till the end of my life.
tierzuchtZentral 3 months ago 2
This is well played but a strange interpretetation... no dynamics. Maybe he didn't like Horowitz's version, for sure he did not like Rach's!
89hedgehog 4 months ago
The repetition is taken from right point. Chopin's hand-signed manuscript: imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/9/94/IMSLP80861-PMLP02363-op_35_sonata_no_2_autograph.pdf
gek0sft 6 months ago
@gek0sft
You clearly don't know what you're talking about.
thetunr 6 months ago
My god he haaaas to record his version of this sonata, Zimermans interpretation is absolutely amazing ( Ivo Pogorelichs version is also something else which i really recomend).
HemligaHemulen 7 months ago
donghyek lims interpretation was much better than this, but they deleted it
kwastormayt 8 months ago
PLease, hear also Pogorelich playing this piece, its as much as wonderfull !!!!!
CxC2007 8 months ago
i was very lucky to hear him playboth the 2nd and 3rd sonatas live in concert. i asked him if he had any plans to record these sonatas. he said no. this is almost a tragedy in my view.
needless to say his performances of these sonatas were absolutely fantastic!
davecotuit 11 months ago
@davecotuit We must convince him :)
miliona1re 11 months ago
the part 7:00 to the end is so different from any other version i've heard .. i like it!
pinkfloyddwc 1 year ago
,,,aaah...
Ellevius 1 year ago
It's amazing how he does that as he just sits there facing his audience. You can't even see his hands move.
Ennis4Pianos 1 year ago 4
i have the op.58
4785689 1 year ago
@4785689 I really like to hear him play op.58. I really cannot find it from anywhere. Can you send me one or upload if possible?
Thx a lot
aijirew 1 year ago
@aijirew i posted it!
4785689 1 year ago
@4785689 please can you post it ?
2annagi 1 year ago
HE is the Chopinist for excellence
newFranzFerencLiszt 1 year ago
he is good looking ..
baaboy83 1 year ago
that´s so good! i´like the chopin´s music, is very realistic, other side, other world and other life.
requiemoliver 1 year ago
This is indeed Zimerman
animumaurarium 1 year ago
This isn't Zimerman!
hoganmac 1 year ago
@hoganmac Why don't you think this is Zimerman??
aijirew 1 year ago
@aijirew: this is exactly his characteristic crystal-clear, precise, sometimes sharp, sound
CaradhrasAiguo49 1 year ago
@hoganmac
Oh no??
janvkimm 1 year ago
Hundreds time I've heard this sonata played by the greatest pianists of the 20th century, but under Zimerman's fingers I've the sensation to listen to Op.35 for the first time....
dido93 1 year ago
the best !!!!!
phil99spy 1 year ago
Powerful and convincing performance of this difficult sonata. Zimerman is a great pianist!
TJFNYC212 1 year ago
There's another school of thought about the repeat here. I'm inclined to believe that the edition is faulty and should be observed at measure 5 - and that Zimerman is well aware of the discrepancy. It makes no sense doing it from the very beginning, and very few pianist observe it that way anyway. In fact, still very few play the repeat at all!
brtherjohn 1 year ago
i saw him play this live yesterday! it was impressive and spectacular!!!
hakunamatata97 1 year ago
this is pretty... INCREDIBLE!
88alan8800 1 year ago
saw him in cologne some month ago it was just awesome.. didnt hear a single fault :P
XdeadXheadX 1 year ago
I have heard Horowitz do it worse than this, but, nevertheless this is nothing to be proud of, he has no overall convincing concept for the movement at all, and this pianist is supposed to be good in that area, i.e. the "overall conceptions" . On local detail he always sucks big time, so I did not expect much, and, obviously, did not get it.
fredericfranc 1 year ago
@fredericfranc My favorite recording of this is by Rachmaninoff - it's eerie and frightening and magnificent all at once.
umdala 1 year ago
Heard him play this piece on Thursday at the Vienna Musikverein.. it was pretty great. Unfortunately, he didn't play an encore, no idea why. Can't have been because of lacking applause.
taviona 1 year ago
Besides his great mastery of the piano, I love his political stand. Bravo twice.
wborgstro 1 year ago
I completely disagree. This is the first time this movement has really made sense to me.Think of how that sounds with the dev making a big series/mod out of the first two bars aug 6th.i think his sense& philos of Chopin knew this is the way to do it.I have all the supposedly great versions. Godowsky,Rach,Cortot,Horo,Rub .Michelangeli ,Uchida etc. Here I feel Z. has incorrigible taste and sense of structure.The slowing down of those opening measures? These people have access to much we do not.
lovesGenet 1 year ago
Pardon, je corrige:
à la fin de la prémiere prémiere partie
-> à la fin de la prémiere partie de concert
yokusienka 2 years ago
Ce soir-là, j'ai ecouté Zimerman, mais c'était un concert scandaleux !
Ce n'est pas à cause du lui, mais à cause d'auditeurs bêtes.
Ils ont applaudit n'importe quand: soit entre des nutes soit entre
des mouvements. En plus, ils ont commencé à bisser déjà à la fin
de la première première partie.(pauvre pianiste l'a accépté(!))
J'ai ptitié de lui et malgré cela j'espère qu'il reviendra à Paris
bientôt.
(Je suis désolée de mon mauvais français.)
yokusienka 2 years ago
@yokusienka Vous parlez du récital à la Salle Pleyel, le 1er mars 2010? Moi aussi, j'y étais, et ce que vous dites est vrai. Heureusement, Monsieur Zimerman a un sens d'humour. Franchement, les auditeurs ont commencé à me taper sur les nerfs... Mais, je pense que c'est le récital le plus passionnant auquel j'ai jamais assisté... Zimerman est LE meilleur interprète de Chopin, en mon opinon. J'espère moi aussi qu'il reviendra...
simccarthy 1 year ago
@simccarthy
Oui, exacetement. Je suis une grande amatrice de la musique de Chopin. J'ai écouté Zymerman quatre fois : deux fois au Japon, une fois en Pologne, une fois (c'est cette fois-ci). Ses concerts, qui j'ai écoutés étaient toujours manifique, donc j'éspère que la qualité de l'auditeur sera amériorée dans sa prochaine concert. C'est vrai qu'il a un très bon sens d'houmour et je crois que c'est la meilleure qualité de Polonais (J'ai habité à Cracovie pendant 10 ans )
yokusienka 1 year ago
Love him!!!!
cutemusicdolphin 2 years ago
I heard him play this at RFH London yesterday :) Standing ovations.. well-deserved.. it was amazing!
Rodflute 2 years ago
I was there too! This first movement was unbelievable!
scafell11 2 years ago
Enfin j'ai réussi à acheter un billet. La place n'est pas mal. J'attends 1 Mars inpatiemment.
yokusienka 2 years ago
wonderful zimerman!! but...the repetition is not taken from the right point! the repetition must be played from the beginning, and not from the 5th bar!! it's a misprint of the first german edition, 1840.
sibelius999 2 years ago 22
Yes, you're right. Very few pianists know that.
see: cfeo org uk/ apps/
thetunr 2 years ago 2
@sibelius999 i seriously doubt that zimerman plays anything without a solid knowledge about given piece. So I doubt he does it accidentally. I mean he may just know better.
darley3 1 year ago
@sibelius999
It is a recent philological discovery by Charles Rosen; this is a 1984 recording!
deleuzeguattarixxx 1 year ago
@sibelius999 Maybe you are right. But i dont think it metter at all. chopin, might have wanted it to be played like that, but we dont care, because we know that what chopind really wanted is that the idea of the peace, and the story will be shown. the messege has to be delivered, and it is delivered in the same quality even with 4 bars less, and even with a few wrong notes (even if there would be allot of mistakes).
michaelpiano1 1 year ago
@sibelius999 not his fault ;D
AlvaroBassSide 1 year ago
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andrzejsuse10 1 year ago
@sibelius999 You are not right, take a look into manuscript. There is very clearly marked repetition from the fifth bar.
andrzejsuse10 1 year ago
@sibelius999 who decided this and when.... not to mention how do THEY know. (the ones that say the beginnings could ALSO be misprints).
deadly990 10 months ago
@sibelius999 Yeah but it was a mistake on Chopin's part to not take the repeat from the fifth bar :)
SepiaLatimanus 8 months ago in playlist Krystian Zimerman 2
Seeing him playing this at Festival Hall in a few weeks :) yay!!!
jazzlover06 2 years ago 2
J'irai le voir jouer cette sonate ainsi que la 3ème à la salle Pleyel le 10 mars prochain ! En attendant j'écoute cette vidéo pour avoir un avant-goût...
Paulo78180 2 years ago
C'est vrai, qu'il va venir à Paris! C'est super! J'espère qu'il y a encore des billets!
yokusienka 2 years ago
Sinon il ya bruxelles :)
LLPorduction 2 years ago
APOCALITTICO!!!!!
prodesica 2 years ago 7
superb reading of this music! which always dominates the player - no matter how great! The enigma of it defies perfection...yet the passion of this playing, especially in the last few pages, stands up well against anything on disc, it seems to me. Pure Zal.
PhilPhilUSA 2 years ago
Zimerman is a superb pianist. Neverthless this version is a very lower quality compared with Horowitz performance.
sosamuera 2 years ago
Ese La bemol al final es un armónico que el apagador no llegó a silenciar. No es un error, delen.
elmundodeastor 2 years ago 2
Amigo, es un La, y lo rozó, seguramente con el Sib, se le resbaló un poco, en fin, nadie es perfecto, sólo me llamó la atención porque fue al final. La interpretación es excelente, brillante, y no es gran cosa. Al menos no fue un error "asqueroso", y le dio un toque bueno al final... No era crítica, era, insisto, porque me llamó la atención que fuera al final. Quizá fue voluntario, porque fue un error muy "perfecto", que sonó bien... En fin...
pepemazter 2 years ago
ya quisieramos todos tocar como el jaja en fin...de criticos esta lleno el mundo
DarkLaslot 2 years ago
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grey2199 2 years ago 4
this does sound like Zimerman's touch
teccomin 2 years ago
this is not sound like zimerman.
RomanticNotes 3 years ago
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ihnscinck 2 years ago
Watch your language ihnscinck. I don't remove your comment just to make it clear who's the fool here.
thetunr 2 years ago
deception..i knew it.
sgtpeppero 2 years ago
Que maaaaaal.
Equivocarse justo en el último acorde D:!
Eso si que es mala suerte, yo me muero si me pasa eso XD
pepemazter 3 years ago
quien se ha equivocado? ..omg
DarkLaslot 3 years ago 3
Omg, Zimermann tal vez?
¿En serio no notan el La de más?
Es sólo un roce, pero con el pedal basta para que se note. Se equivocó, no es gran cosa, pero fue al final.
Mejore el oído pues.
pepemazter 2 years ago
Doesn't he look just like Mona Lisa?
rubinsteinway 3 years ago 5
Haha, not to me....but I think he is very handsome and distinguished-looking....that may be because I am Polish as well:)
Bebkins 2 years ago 5
I don't see the resemblance.
Haydenbrooks83 2 years ago
It isn't Zimerman. There are too many mistakes
piano3086 3 years ago
I thought I liked Zimerman before, but this is just awesomeness in a can!
FredilYupigo 3 years ago 4
Do you have the mp3 for this?
celpiano2 3 years ago
divine
miliona1re 3 years ago 7
I have a feeling this is from his Salzburg recital. He has been playing this piece for a very long time. I've heard it twice live.
jwang32 3 years ago
Where did you get this? Where was it recorded? How did you get this? I've never heard about Zimerman's op.35 before..
koralgol5 3 years ago 16
@koralgol5 (Grosses Festspielhaus, Salzburg - 12 August 1984)
Bach J. S.: Partita No. 1
Beethoven: Piano Sonata No. 21 (Waldstein Sonata)
Chopin: Piano Sonata No. 2
Chopin: Waltz No. 6
Liszt: La lugubre gondola II
Liszt: La Notte
Liszt: Nuages gris
4785689 1 year ago