Mátyás nem volt csángó,1467 ben átkelt a gyimeseken,büntető hadjáratban Moldva vajdája ellen,ami nem sikerült és állitolag megsebesülve ugyan itt tért vissza az év decemberében
@mcsingar Hahaha, so if you look at Bram Stoker's famous book, which is an Irish book about count Dracula, your conclusion is that Dracula was Irish ... Hogy megértsd: bárki írhat-énekelhet-gondolhat bármit, ami egy másik néppel kapcsolatos. Ahogyan nemrégen egy amerikai írt egy borzasztó drámát Báthory Erzsébetről - ettől még Báthory Erzsébet nem lesz amerikai .... hahaha ...
For the sake of my visitors, I'd like to inform you that I've decided to remove most of the remarks between lugano288 and myself, because this user took my attempts at calling his attention to his mistakes personally and started to arrogantly attack the criticism. Anyone can check the truth of his statements, which are sometimes correct, sometimes seriously bend the truth. For his persistent misunderstanding and attacks I remove most of our remarks, which aren't worthy of my music site here
@razvan1928 Except that "gypsies" started to migrate towards the west out of Western India in the 13th century, when Hungary already established itself as a Christian Kingdom, for a few hundred years. Besides, Hungarians, very possibly, never went near Mongolia, neither did "gypsies" - this latter name means Egyptian, by mistake. Everything else is correct. Could you enlighten us why this is important about this music???
Yes it was the KINGDOM of HUNGARY with the Capital and CORONATION at POZSONY today Bratislava ( german Pressburg ).
Transylvania was mostly Independent as a Principality with ( Banat and the Partium was not part of it ) , but included Karpatalya, ( today in UKRAIN , between 1920-1940 in the Republic of checkoslovakia ).
The Principality of Transylvania was Governed by the THREE NATIONS FORUM with the FEJEDELEM : HUNGARIANS, SZEKELYS and GERMAN SAXONS.
How come 90% of all the Names in Transylvania are of Hungarian origin ( no DAK origin or Roman ) and the rest 10% of Avar-Slavic origin, not one of RUMANIAN ORIGIN.
All the names used in Rumanian in Transylvania are of Hungarian origin.
How come there is no continuity in the Rumanian language of Roman names as shown : KOLOZSVAR-latin Napoca-rumanian Cluj, TORDA- latin Potaissa- rumanian Turda, GYULAFEHERVAR-latin APULUM-rumanian Alba Julia, BRASSO-latin Corona-rumanian Brasov
You Rumanians you don't even have Dacian words, because THE WRITTEN DACIAN LANGUAGE did not exist.
Albanian for sure you had and have, probably what you think is dacian is of ALBANIAN/ ILLYRIC origin. Rumanians ( WALLACHIANS ) came from South-West Balkan from around VLACH.
Burebista a fost Dac, tu esti Valach din Sudul Balcanilor
Burebista was a DACIAN Leader, you Wallachian/Rumanians you are from the South of the Balkan from VLACH.
Hungary was a STATE with the Golden Bul and a KINGDOM for 1100 years ( check HISTORY and MAPS ), Wallachia and Moldavta together became Rumania in 1854 and you brought a King from Germany Hochensoller von Singmaringen. Is it Clear now.
Forget about ; Dacians, Thracians, Dorians, Ionians, Macedonians etc.
probizantyum,romania is one cionist idee,nothing else.your nation:300woman make orgia with 15000 legionaar,thats your nation are.u have 2 big person in the history:dracula,and ceaucescu...
Dear Friend, How old are you? If 10, your bad English is forgivable, yet, IT IS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE. 2 possible meanings of your writing:1/Hungarians have been living in this area for 9 centuries, Wlachs for 12 or 13 centuries. But perhaps you wanted this: 2/ H's have been living here since the 9th century, Wlachs since the 12th or 13th century. What a difference! If you see what I mean. You need an English teacher so as not to be a shame of Hungary on YouTube. Greetings all the same.
Oh, yeah, you bet they were. Except that there was no such thing as Romania (or could you tell us where the capital was? perhaps Bran, the Castle of Drakula? or who the king was?), and Vajdahunyad, Buda and Visegrád belonged to the Hungarian kingdom at that time (I hope you know that Visehrad was a Czech castle, not to be mixed up with Visegrád). Besides, all this has nothing to do with the quality and Csángó character of the song. Nobody cared about nationality at the time.
That is just a suposition and not a fact. And that is about the first ruller the Basarab I in XIV century, Huniady was 100 years later, even if we supose that this famely had an cuman ancestry we cannot call them cumans 3-4 generations after.
The nobles marriaged each other(not the jobbagus or serfs). Every nation the nobility remained clean. Wallachia founded by cumans, the nobility was cuman too. There isn't much Rumelian shepherd blood in their vein.
,,There isn't such a thing what cannot be argued"...
That is a non sens, in fact nobility had the tendence to mixt with orther nobility from other nations, for political reason, in special the royality. The cumans were realy not important in Romania, the most of them moved in Hungary and even give you a king in person of Ladislau the Cuman. If you look for cumans look in Hungary not in Romania. You had cumans and romanians who rulled over Hungary, get use with it or else.
1. The cumans foundod Wallachia the first wlach state, then you say that they are not important?
IV. Ladislaus mother was cuman thats true but in a roman-lawed society this means not so much. The ,,cuman"(,,kun") tittle he get because of his lifestyle.
We have the first Rumenians who rule a part of Hungary in 1920.
1. Yes they stay here for a wile but after that they move to Hungary becouse of the tatars who pushed them away.
2. I just say that Hungary had a cuman ruller, that is a fact. That romanian dinasty had a cuman origin is just a suposition. You see the diference or not?
Transilvania is not under ocupation anymore, it was 1000 years under hungarian ocupation. With more then 70% romanian population there you can see who occupaited who.
1. Yes to found a nation and form of its nobility is more important than an episodic rule.
2.Before the XVIII. century wlach minority was very small isolated. After the ottoman wars, the land of Hungarian Kingdom is devasted. After these war wlachs migrated from south and east.
When my ancestors conquered these land, your ancestors live with shepherd somewhere novadays Macedonia.
1. Cumans did not form a nobility or a nation, not in this lands. They let some traces but that is all. In fact they finished in Hungary, becoming catholics and melted there. You have the name Kun, in Romania this name dosen`t exist. I told you before, cumans are in hungary not here.
2. Gesta Hungarorum name romanians in Erdely and Pannonia during the hungarian invasion, that is a hungarian source not a romanian one. You say only bullshit, learn history, i told you!
Moldavia and Wallachia have nothing to do with cumans, they just passed here, diden`t stay, diden`t let many words in our language or names or toponyms, just a few. But were did they went? In Hungary in Kunsag region. Now you see who is the ignorant lier here?
You are wrong, in western country in schools they learn about daco-roman theory and not the imigrationist one. Even in Britannica you will see. So stop spreading hungarian bullshit.
Gesta Hungarorum is written in XII century and talcks about vlachs for IX-XI century so, at least in XII vlachs were in Transilvania and Hungary. Is evident that your shity theory with vlachs coming there after 1200 or afther turkish conquest in XVI century is just a bullshit. We romanizated in 18-19 century? :))) That need no comment is itself a proof of your stupidity.
Hey, guys, e/b knows we can't be sure of what our forefathers did bec. e/b bends the past to their own purposes. Hist. is always re-written but what's important is how we live nowadays and in the future. Ur deriding e/o in faulty E. is a pain to read and Ur opinions are naturally twisted. Hope you've stopped bickering about history of times past when nobody cared ab. nationality and peoples kept moving and disappearing. Enjoy valuable things now and live like friends. Nothing else matters.
@Probyzantinum The probem is with this gesta that proven many many things are not true... Look the family tree from Attila to Árpad..... Read it. That is not true. Why shozuld be true the rest?
Some is legend but in 80% is true, some things from there are confirmed by archeologists and by other sources. Gesta was writen in XII century so at that time at least, romanians were there, so even if you don`t trust the source you must see that romanians were there before XII century wen is written so your imigrationist theory with romanians coming after 1300 is a big bullshit.
@Probyzantinum The problem is that where are the dac words in the romanian lenguage? Only some hypotesys. Other How can it be that there are not german words, when the gots were in transilvania then the 170 years old Dacia provincia lived?
Please list the arheological results that proves the continuity!!! Please 3 are enough.
In the romanian lenguage that words are kept to be dac-trak that are presend in the alban lenguage.
@MrFefefofo we have more then 100 words from dacian language in romanian language (almost the same number is from celtic language in french or spanish). For archeological proofs of continuity serch on Google for "Densus church", "Christianity in Romania" or serch for "Biertan Donarium". For more writen sources you can serch for "sources for the origin of the romanians". We have evidences, even writen old hungarian sources, you have only pathetic speculations. Bye!
In my town in Pécs-Sopianae there are thousends of objects, My question to this medal...Where was it made? When was it made? etc....Furthermore it was found 200 years ago, by not an archeologist....
@Probyzantinum about the church in Hunyad.... There were a famous romanian historiant died some years ago in Budapest. He has proved this church was built in the XIII century in the basis or a Arpad age church.... That"s why he had to live Bucharest.....
@Probyzantinum furthermore I do not spend too much time on the "other sources" This is what can not be used for anything. but enough for them who wants to believe what they want to believe.
@Probyzantinum Many nation left behind them in Erdély a lot of proves.... where are the daco-roman objects, villages, towns, cemeteries written things? Nowhere but there are Gepida, Goths, Huns, Avars, MAgyars, Vandáls etc...only daco-roman not?!?!?!?
Even this migration took in the XX. century, But in the XVIII century was very strong, thanks for the osmans empire, and the last Tatár invasion in Erdély.
@Probyzantinum Your continuity here is a dream! Nothing else! Can not be proven by the archeologists, and alsonot by the linguistics...Sorry for that, but yoor ancestors are from the balkan a transhuming sheep keeper sheepherds living on the mountains.
The most historians sustain the continuity, also the lingvists, all old hydronims are kept from antiquity, even hungarian Duna comes from romanian Dunare, Carpatians name come from Carpi, a dacian tribe, everithing shows that we were here before hungarians. There is no evidence for a romanian migration in today Romania. So give me a break.
@Probyzantinum IF they romanized the dacs... There are many archeological proves of the got"s present in Erdély. How can be that in your lenguage there is no!!! german origin words? gots were longer there then 170 years
There is evidence for the romanian megration today. Kolozsvár in 1960 had 110.000 people.. 90.000 hungarians. 20.000 romanians,,, how is it today?
@Probyzantinum Livezi-Lóvész was founded by romanian workers when the railway was built in 1890 to Ghimes. They came frommoldva, they were cheaper. They forgot to go back to moldva....
@Probyzantinum Dear! About the dac words in the romanian lenguage...Because there are not written documents only some circumstances are that the word similar to the alban has dac-trac origin. No more.....So the romanians say they are not albans, but dac-traks... Good joke....
@MrFefefofo albanians = traco-illyrians + some romance, we are dacians + romance, we both share a dacian/thracian backgroud, from here we share some words and comun features. But also there are some writen sources, a list of name of herbs in dacian language, witen by antique autors. Are some name of herbs in dacian that are similar with same herbs in romanian (skiare - skai for exemple). What in earth you want more?
@Probyzantinum How can you prove that in your lenguage there are dac words, if there is NO AT ALL written dac texts? The trachian background is new, because the dac backgfound is so poor, that the roman nationalist historians had to find an other ancestor for the present romaninans.
@Probyzantinum You asimilated in 170 years to the roman lenguage, but you do not have ANY german words in you lenguage. What you have it went in the las centuries...
We have some but very few becouse the primitve germans diden`t stay here for long, they went in to the roman empire in south or in italy, they were just passing by. Romanians formed between Balkan mountains in south and Transilvania in north, from Tisa in West to Black Sea in est. Did french come in today france from Hispania or italians from Africa? I don`t think so, why whould romanians be diferent?
@Probyzantinum The Gots were in transilvania about 300 years. This is agreed by the romanian historians, thank for the archeological proves...So 170 years were enough for the total "romanisation" but 300 years were not egough for getting 10 words. As I told you There are no old germanic words in your lenguage AT ALL!!! Perhaps 1% german from the modern German, as about 20% or even more from the french,.
@Probyzantinum Furthermore some famous brekalets were found in Orastie, But no more objects. To say that the dacs had their territory until the Tisza its a dream. Also from the Dnyeszter to Tisza. It is nothing els then a cracy idea of the romanian nationalist....
But As I see nowasdays it is not from the Dhyeszter but even trans-dnyeszter..
There is no dream, during Buresbista age they rulled from today Slovachia to Bug river in Ukraine, including today hungary. On Pannonia for a time carpians tribes setled. In fact a lot of today hungarians have romanian ancestors, including the csango. The magyars were mongols, today hungarians are europeans. You can imagine why (slavs, romanians and others lived in Pannonia and in Erdely before arivval of magyars, they mixted with them and formed today hungarians).
Dear ! There are no achelological objects have been found to prove the continuity theory!!! Please try to understand this and forgot it. We know with a hard hammer was it beaten into your head, but try to froget it!
@Probyzantinum The romanian historant had to agree that the Gots were in Transilvania even for about 300 years.
The romanization of the dacs took 170 years,,, The lenguage was changed in this 170 years,,, But 300 years were not enough to have 5 german origin word in you lenguage. Think on this please! Isn't there any contradiction?
@Probyzantinum Show me the map of the state of burebista! An other romanian guy told that even chekia. Based on some romanian words in the chek lenguage...joky...The romanian sheephers reaced eve chekia on the karpationa high hills, thank for their job.
@MrFefefofo youtube dosen`t allow me to put link here but i will put link on PM. About Chekia i don`t belive that, we share some words with all slavic nations becouse we also were influenced by slavic migrations (arownd 20% romanian words are from slavic language, 60% from latin and 20% from others, including hungarian). Burebista kingdom is descibed by some greek historinas, check messages for map.
Yes i did but we are tallcking about diferent things, i was talcking about all romanian language and Sala talck about contemporan language in comun use. Thoose are neologisms and in today comun use slavic influence is less then 15% i was talcking about all vocabulary and in major sense procents.
@Probyzantinum But do not forget the frech effect. In Romania it was a plan to use french words instead of the hungarian or slav origin words. That why it is important to study the coutry lenguage, and not the academic lenguage, where in the education consciously the latin and french was preffered!!!
@Probyzantinum In the hungarian leguagae meaning that it is used everywheer and not only in Transilvania we have less then 20 words. Most of them are connected to the traditional sheepkeeping job of the romanians.
Furulya-fluier, Ficsúr-ficsor cimbora, kaliba, orda stb not too many...
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I diden`t say they are to many but special the toponism or Karaciony from Craciun tell a story, that hungarians took the names of big rivers or big christian celebrations from romanians, so romanians were here and were christians when the hungarians come and took this words.
@Probyzantinum Take care!!! In Hungary there is an agrue of the origin of Karácsony. The finno-ugor teachers say it is from the ancient slav corcun!!! meaning "step over" The others say Karácsony is coming from our totem bird "turul" that was a kind of eagle or hawklike bird called:
Kerecsen or kerecseny. But nothing to do with the romanian Cracium. The romanian took it from the hungarians or the slavs.....
No realy, in wich slavic language Craciun it mean Christmas? In no one. Craciun come from latin language, from "calationem", of course, for hungarian propaganda even Adam and Eve were hungarians, i sow some websites were they say that sumerians and etruscans were proto-hungarians :)))
@Probyzantinum Kerecseny as I told you the bird. In dec 15 they let them fly.... The Arpad family is the gens of the kerecseny...
The corcun has only in the slav legnuage close to the hungarians. Craciun from the calationem is hard to explain. As I told you many hungarian lingustics do not accept the slav origin. corcun. but is mor logic, if we concern the meaning. "Overstep"
@Probyzantinum I would like to send you a link... but I cant! you can find in youtube a 'hungarian propaganda" from an italian Professor from Roma. Search in youtube.
Well, these views are not only held by Magyars. Even ITALIAN professors themselves support the Etrusco-Magyar identity! Not to mention Grover S. Krantz, who ADMITS that Magyars originate from the Carpathian basin. Old dogmas are dying, you know.
@Probyzantinum Mai omule, is arheolog si iti zic sigur ca noi (adica...romanii) nu avem nici cea mai mica legatura cu dacii. Da, am existat pe aici, da unii valahi erau crestini, da, facem parte din romanitatea orientala, ca altfel nu ne zicea nimeni valahi... dar hai sa nu ol bagam pe saracul burebista in povestea asta, ca nu are nici o legatura!
@Barthaffy n-ai inteles, ii explicam ca regatul lui Burebista este atestat istoric si nu este o simpla legenda cum isi imagina el. De fapt daca citesti atent vezi ca nu am zis nimic de influenta dacica in limba romana pentru ca este foarte mica. Sa spui ca nu avem nici cea mai mica legatura cu dacii este o aberatie, nu suntem un popor pur genetic dar niciunul din zona asta nu este. In orice caz suntem aici inaintea ungurilor asa ca te zbati degeaba.
@Probyzantinum Of course the people were moving in the history. The romanians moved also like other nations. But the romanias are still moving...And do not tell me that the 2 million strawberry-picker called by the spain people will go back to Romania. Never. They went in the history where the life was better.
So italians moved in Italy from Africa? :))) Your exemple is very wrong becouse most of romanians workers in West will tun back becouse they went there for money and left the homes and famelies here, they turn back every holiday. I gave you sources about romanian history, if you want to learn the thruth you can, if you still want to hear hungarian bullshit propaganda is your business.
@Probyzantinum Dear! In Spain there are more then 2 millions romanian, in Italy ca 1 million. Believe me! The first generation is coming back once a year, but the second not! You should also look after how the indo-european invasion happened to europe. This group from that time appeared in europe did not do anything else just wars!!!. An Thay hate the the proto europeans like the Celtics, and Basks.
@Probyzantinum I learned latin, and I have read Aeneis from Vergilius form the first letter to the last one.... But that is an epic....From there this population moved it is in the name . they are indo-europeans. and ca 2000 years BC . You had to learn about the Etruscs... They were eliminated by the romans....Compare their writing to the hungarian runes!
@Probyzantinum upgrade yourself couse of Matyas was never romanian!You can stole the soyle,but never the history......upgrade yourself and dont stay stupid,Magyar volt te suta
Kitartás emberek itt és a határon túl is, bár szokták mondani hogy a határok megmaradtak csak a határellenörzés tolódott el. Nagyonszép ez a dal! Itt is nhéz magyarnak maradni mert már kissebbség vagyunk :S.
Kitartás emberek itt és a határon túl is, bár szokták mondani hogy a határok megmaradtak csak a határellenörzés tolódott el. Nagyonszép ez a dal! Itt is nhéz magyarnak maradni mert már kissebbség vagyunk :S.
Nagyszeru nezni es halgatni !Csodalatosan megorokitve gazdag nepzenenk sok sok aganak eggyiket ,a csango zenet.Gratulalok!!Sok.sok sikert munkatokhoz!!!!
Továbbá, ha irígyled Sebestyén Márta több évtizedes karrierjét, akkor is nála panaszkodj és valóban csak turáni dalokat hallgass, ha csak magyart vagy hajlandó elfogadni (ld. Puccini)
Szerintem szépen énekel :) értékesebb az ilyen munka, mint manapság ez a hip-hop, high-tech, techno zenék :) Persze nem baj, ha másnak más a véleménye. Ettől szép a világ, viszont a csúnya szavakat tartalmazó commenteket szűrni kellene itt a youtubon is.
Mátyás nem volt csángó,1467 ben átkelt a gyimeseken,büntető hadjáratban Moldva vajdája ellen,ami nem sikerült és állitolag megsebesülve ugyan itt tért vissza az év decemberében
lotolvajvadasz1 4 months ago
hahaha:Màtyàs kiràly csàngo volt?
mcsingar 4 months ago
@mcsingar Hahaha, so if you look at Bram Stoker's famous book, which is an Irish book about count Dracula, your conclusion is that Dracula was Irish ... Hogy megértsd: bárki írhat-énekelhet-gondolhat bármit, ami egy másik néppel kapcsolatos. Ahogyan nemrégen egy amerikai írt egy borzasztó drámát Báthory Erzsébetről - ettől még Báthory Erzsébet nem lesz amerikai .... hahaha ...
speterkar 4 months ago
For the sake of my visitors, I'd like to inform you that I've decided to remove most of the remarks between lugano288 and myself, because this user took my attempts at calling his attention to his mistakes personally and started to arrogantly attack the criticism. Anyone can check the truth of his statements, which are sometimes correct, sometimes seriously bend the truth. For his persistent misunderstanding and attacks I remove most of our remarks, which aren't worthy of my music site here
speterkar 8 months ago
hunGAYrians are gypsyes from mongolia
razvan1928 8 months ago
@razvan1928 Except that "gypsies" started to migrate towards the west out of Western India in the 13th century, when Hungary already established itself as a Christian Kingdom, for a few hundred years. Besides, Hungarians, very possibly, never went near Mongolia, neither did "gypsies" - this latter name means Egyptian, by mistake. Everything else is correct. Could you enlighten us why this is important about this music???
speterkar 8 months ago 2
Yes it was the KINGDOM of HUNGARY with the Capital and CORONATION at POZSONY today Bratislava ( german Pressburg ).
Transylvania was mostly Independent as a Principality with ( Banat and the Partium was not part of it ) , but included Karpatalya, ( today in UKRAIN , between 1920-1940 in the Republic of checkoslovakia ).
The Principality of Transylvania was Governed by the THREE NATIONS FORUM with the FEJEDELEM : HUNGARIANS, SZEKELYS and GERMAN SAXONS.
From 1867 became AUSTRO-HUNGARY
lugano288 8 months ago
How come 90% of all the Names in Transylvania are of Hungarian origin ( no DAK origin or Roman ) and the rest 10% of Avar-Slavic origin, not one of RUMANIAN ORIGIN.
All the names used in Rumanian in Transylvania are of Hungarian origin.
How come there is no continuity in the Rumanian language of Roman names as shown : KOLOZSVAR-latin Napoca-rumanian Cluj, TORDA- latin Potaissa- rumanian Turda, GYULAFEHERVAR-latin APULUM-rumanian Alba Julia, BRASSO-latin Corona-rumanian Brasov
lugano288 8 months ago
You Rumanians you don't even have Dacian words, because THE WRITTEN DACIAN LANGUAGE did not exist.
Albanian for sure you had and have, probably what you think is dacian is of ALBANIAN/ ILLYRIC origin. Rumanians ( WALLACHIANS ) came from South-West Balkan from around VLACH.
lugano288 8 months ago
By the way in Italian, Christmas is NATALE
lugano288 8 months ago
How come in Rumanian, Christmas is not NOELL or Navidat ?? but CRACIUN.
What Slavic Language ?? all Slavic languages use the same with a little difference.
lugano288 8 months ago
Craciun is SLAVIC.
Nagyvarad-Oradea
How it became NAGYVARAD, ORADEA
Nagyvarad-Varadia-Varadia Mare-Oradea Mare, Oradea
lugano288 8 months ago
Burebista a fost Dac, tu esti Valach din Sudul Balcanilor
Burebista was a DACIAN Leader, you Wallachian/Rumanians you are from the South of the Balkan from VLACH.
Hungary was a STATE with the Golden Bul and a KINGDOM for 1100 years ( check HISTORY and MAPS ), Wallachia and Moldavta together became Rumania in 1854 and you brought a King from Germany Hochensoller von Singmaringen. Is it Clear now.
Forget about ; Dacians, Thracians, Dorians, Ionians, Macedonians etc.
lugano288 8 months ago
@unomnacajit11 Every information I have you can find on the net.
Shall I help you?
MrFefefofo 1 year ago
probizantyum,romania is one cionist idee,nothing else.your nation:300woman make orgia with 15000 legionaar,thats your nation are.u have 2 big person in the history:dracula,and ceaucescu...
gratulation.
and u have the ugglyst womans on the world.
naditom 1 year ago
kispestes,hülyeségre oktatsz másokat????
először olvass,tanulj,és majd ha megtudod,rájössz,mennyire buta vagy,akkor oktass.k
naditom 1 year ago
"Minden nemzet a maga nyelvén lett tudós..." :)
madaraszgabi 1 year ago
Márta is brilliant!
etzhaim 1 year ago
hungarian live in this area for the 9. century.
Wlachs live this area(Carpathians) for the 12-13. century (little population in Erdély).
Hungarian Kingdom since 895, romania since 1862.
kispestes 2 years ago
Dear Friend, How old are you? If 10, your bad English is forgivable, yet, IT IS NOT UNDERSTANDABLE. 2 possible meanings of your writing:1/Hungarians have been living in this area for 9 centuries, Wlachs for 12 or 13 centuries. But perhaps you wanted this: 2/ H's have been living here since the 9th century, Wlachs since the 12th or 13th century. What a difference! If you see what I mean. You need an English teacher so as not to be a shame of Hungary on YouTube. Greetings all the same.
speterkar 2 years ago
Ez azért van olyan jó, mint a sorstalanság....
kisszs 2 years ago
This video never was romanian.
HenyeOguz 2 years ago
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Hahaha, Matias was romanian, csango are romanians, stop stealing other people history!
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
Oh, yeah, you bet they were. Except that there was no such thing as Romania (or could you tell us where the capital was? perhaps Bran, the Castle of Drakula? or who the king was?), and Vajdahunyad, Buda and Visegrád belonged to the Hungarian kingdom at that time (I hope you know that Visehrad was a Czech castle, not to be mixed up with Visegrád). Besides, all this has nothing to do with the quality and Csángó character of the song. Nobody cared about nationality at the time.
speterkar 2 years ago
So do you enjoy the music of these great romanian artists or not? ;)
atdzsny 2 years ago
Mathias Father John Hunyadi(Jancu de Hunedoara) was half cuman but not wlach.
Zikhajj 2 years ago
No, he was romanian, in fact he was relative with romanian dinasty from Wallachia. Learn real history not farytails!
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
The ruling dinasty of Wallachia and the nobility in Wallachia was cuman in blood...this fact.
If you need i can offer you a lot of historical book.
Zikhajj 2 years ago
That is just a suposition and not a fact. And that is about the first ruller the Basarab I in XIV century, Huniady was 100 years later, even if we supose that this famely had an cuman ancestry we cannot call them cumans 3-4 generations after.
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
The nobles marriaged each other(not the jobbagus or serfs). Every nation the nobility remained clean. Wallachia founded by cumans, the nobility was cuman too. There isn't much Rumelian shepherd blood in their vein.
,,There isn't such a thing what cannot be argued"...
Zikhajj 2 years ago
That is a non sens, in fact nobility had the tendence to mixt with orther nobility from other nations, for political reason, in special the royality. The cumans were realy not important in Romania, the most of them moved in Hungary and even give you a king in person of Ladislau the Cuman. If you look for cumans look in Hungary not in Romania. You had cumans and romanians who rulled over Hungary, get use with it or else.
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
You are very Ignorant.
1. The cumans foundod Wallachia the first wlach state, then you say that they are not important?
IV. Ladislaus mother was cuman thats true but in a roman-lawed society this means not so much. The ,,cuman"(,,kun") tittle he get because of his lifestyle.
We have the first Rumenians who rule a part of Hungary in 1920.
Erdély(Transilvania) is under wlach occupation.
Think before speak my wlach friend.
Zikhajj 2 years ago 2
1. Yes they stay here for a wile but after that they move to Hungary becouse of the tatars who pushed them away.
2. I just say that Hungary had a cuman ruller, that is a fact. That romanian dinasty had a cuman origin is just a suposition. You see the diference or not?
Transilvania is not under ocupation anymore, it was 1000 years under hungarian ocupation. With more then 70% romanian population there you can see who occupaited who.
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
1. Yes to found a nation and form of its nobility is more important than an episodic rule.
2.Before the XVIII. century wlach minority was very small isolated. After the ottoman wars, the land of Hungarian Kingdom is devasted. After these war wlachs migrated from south and east.
When my ancestors conquered these land, your ancestors live with shepherd somewhere novadays Macedonia.
Zikhajj 2 years ago
All this is just flame.
1. Cumans did not form a nobility or a nation, not in this lands. They let some traces but that is all. In fact they finished in Hungary, becoming catholics and melted there. You have the name Kun, in Romania this name dosen`t exist. I told you before, cumans are in hungary not here.
2. Gesta Hungarorum name romanians in Erdely and Pannonia during the hungarian invasion, that is a hungarian source not a romanian one. You say only bullshit, learn history, i told you!
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
1. the Cumans let ,,some traces"? states called Moldavia and Wallachia considered as ,,some traces" by you.
2. Gesta Hungarorum was a Gesta the writer is not a historian.
However the Gesta speaks about wlach people. Every poor caming-going shepherd nation considered as wlach.
Your nations history is based upon lies.This is common knowledge in Western Europe.Every intelligent man laugh about daco-rumen theory.
Zikhajj 2 years ago
Moldavia and Wallachia have nothing to do with cumans, they just passed here, diden`t stay, diden`t let many words in our language or names or toponyms, just a few. But were did they went? In Hungary in Kunsag region. Now you see who is the ignorant lier here?
You are wrong, in western country in schools they learn about daco-roman theory and not the imigrationist one. Even in Britannica you will see. So stop spreading hungarian bullshit.
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
Moldavia and Wallachia is founded by Cumans: this is historical fact.
Our king wisely settled to kuns(cumans), because of their warfare-as a counterpart of western knights they fought similar like tatars-.
I learned in a western european school in France. They-french historians- know that the wlachs romanized themself in 18-19 th century.
You need a serius enlightment... daco gypsy theory is a tale.
Zikhajj 2 years ago
Gesta Hungarorum is written in XII century and talcks about vlachs for IX-XI century so, at least in XII vlachs were in Transilvania and Hungary. Is evident that your shity theory with vlachs coming there after 1200 or afther turkish conquest in XVI century is just a bullshit. We romanizated in 18-19 century? :))) That need no comment is itself a proof of your stupidity.
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
The least sentence is the French educutation stupidity.
Wlach means poor wandering shepherd, in early latin languaged hungarian writings.
There are thing that you are can not understand, and speak about other thing.
This discussion is nonsense because of you ignorance, and fanaticism of your own belief.
Zikhajj 2 years ago
Hey, guys, e/b knows we can't be sure of what our forefathers did bec. e/b bends the past to their own purposes. Hist. is always re-written but what's important is how we live nowadays and in the future. Ur deriding e/o in faulty E. is a pain to read and Ur opinions are naturally twisted. Hope you've stopped bickering about history of times past when nobody cared ab. nationality and peoples kept moving and disappearing. Enjoy valuable things now and live like friends. Nothing else matters.
speterkar 2 years ago
Yes , i agree with you.
Enjoy valuable things! Find what is worthy and secure them, find what is unworthy and throw it.
Zikhajj 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum The probem is with this gesta that proven many many things are not true... Look the family tree from Attila to Árpad..... Read it. That is not true. Why shozuld be true the rest?
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Some is legend but in 80% is true, some things from there are confirmed by archeologists and by other sources. Gesta was writen in XII century so at that time at least, romanians were there, so even if you don`t trust the source you must see that romanians were there before XII century wen is written so your imigrationist theory with romanians coming after 1300 is a big bullshit.
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum The problem is that where are the dac words in the romanian lenguage? Only some hypotesys. Other How can it be that there are not german words, when the gots were in transilvania then the 170 years old Dacia provincia lived?
Please list the arheological results that proves the continuity!!! Please 3 are enough.
In the romanian lenguage that words are kept to be dac-trak that are presend in the alban lenguage.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@MrFefefofo we have more then 100 words from dacian language in romanian language (almost the same number is from celtic language in french or spanish). For archeological proofs of continuity serch on Google for "Densus church", "Christianity in Romania" or serch for "Biertan Donarium". For more writen sources you can serch for "sources for the origin of the romanians". We have evidences, even writen old hungarian sources, you have only pathetic speculations. Bye!
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Biertan Donarium????
In my town in Pécs-Sopianae there are thousends of objects, My question to this medal...Where was it made? When was it made? etc....Furthermore it was found 200 years ago, by not an archeologist....
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum about the church in Hunyad.... There were a famous romanian historiant died some years ago in Budapest. He has proved this church was built in the XIII century in the basis or a Arpad age church.... That"s why he had to live Bucharest.....
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum I told you that anonimus is not concerned as a real source among the historiants....
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum furthermore I do not spend too much time on the "other sources" This is what can not be used for anything. but enough for them who wants to believe what they want to believe.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Many nation left behind them in Erdély a lot of proves.... where are the daco-roman objects, villages, towns, cemeteries written things? Nowhere but there are Gepida, Goths, Huns, Avars, MAgyars, Vandáls etc...only daco-roman not?!?!?!?
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Gesta "was written" ...There is a circumstances but no prove that it was written... Perhaps it was written in the early XIII century
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum
Even this migration took in the XX. century, But in the XVIII century was very strong, thanks for the osmans empire, and the last Tatár invasion in Erdély.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum The first romanian groups were placed to Maramures with the leadership of Dragos Kenéz family. Later there were the Dragffy family.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum And Comanesti??? and many familyname from that area as Nadia Comanesti?
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Your continuity here is a dream! Nothing else! Can not be proven by the archeologists, and alsonot by the linguistics...Sorry for that, but yoor ancestors are from the balkan a transhuming sheep keeper sheepherds living on the mountains.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
The most historians sustain the continuity, also the lingvists, all old hydronims are kept from antiquity, even hungarian Duna comes from romanian Dunare, Carpatians name come from Carpi, a dacian tribe, everithing shows that we were here before hungarians. There is no evidence for a romanian migration in today Romania. So give me a break.
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum not the most, only the romanians!!! I place here some questions. Only questions you are free to answare!
How can you prove at all the dac-romanian relation, when there is no written documents from the dacs?
The roman empire had a lot of provinces, and nowhere could "asimilate" the people in 170 years. But could they asimilate the dacs?
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum IF they romanized the dacs... There are many archeological proves of the got"s present in Erdély. How can be that in your lenguage there is no!!! german origin words? gots were longer there then 170 years
There is evidence for the romanian megration today. Kolozsvár in 1960 had 110.000 people.. 90.000 hungarians. 20.000 romanians,,, how is it today?
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Livezi-Lóvész was founded by romanian workers when the railway was built in 1890 to Ghimes. They came frommoldva, they were cheaper. They forgot to go back to moldva....
Still migration to Spain, to Italy etc...
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Dunare in you language not romanian origin, but ancient latin.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Dear! About the dac words in the romanian lenguage...Because there are not written documents only some circumstances are that the word similar to the alban has dac-trac origin. No more.....So the romanians say they are not albans, but dac-traks... Good joke....
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@MrFefefofo albanians = traco-illyrians + some romance, we are dacians + romance, we both share a dacian/thracian backgroud, from here we share some words and comun features. But also there are some writen sources, a list of name of herbs in dacian language, witen by antique autors. Are some name of herbs in dacian that are similar with same herbs in romanian (skiare - skai for exemple). What in earth you want more?
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum How can you prove that in your lenguage there are dac words, if there is NO AT ALL written dac texts? The trachian background is new, because the dac backgfound is so poor, that the roman nationalist historians had to find an other ancestor for the present romaninans.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum
In you lenguage they are the so called dac words, that are similar to the albanian ones.
Again antique autors.... How to write down the dac words with latin if we do not know the pronanciation?
What are the dac dounds???
Who can it be you do not have ANY german origin words, when the Gots were for 300 years in Erdély?
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum You asimilated in 170 years to the roman lenguage, but you do not have ANY german words in you lenguage. What you have it went in the las centuries...
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
We have some but very few becouse the primitve germans diden`t stay here for long, they went in to the roman empire in south or in italy, they were just passing by. Romanians formed between Balkan mountains in south and Transilvania in north, from Tisa in West to Black Sea in est. Did french come in today france from Hispania or italians from Africa? I don`t think so, why whould romanians be diferent?
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum The Gots were in transilvania about 300 years. This is agreed by the romanian historians, thank for the archeological proves...So 170 years were enough for the total "romanisation" but 300 years were not egough for getting 10 words. As I told you There are no old germanic words in your lenguage AT ALL!!! Perhaps 1% german from the modern German, as about 20% or even more from the french,.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Furthermore some famous brekalets were found in Orastie, But no more objects. To say that the dacs had their territory until the Tisza its a dream. Also from the Dnyeszter to Tisza. It is nothing els then a cracy idea of the romanian nationalist....
But As I see nowasdays it is not from the Dhyeszter but even trans-dnyeszter..
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
There is no dream, during Buresbista age they rulled from today Slovachia to Bug river in Ukraine, including today hungary. On Pannonia for a time carpians tribes setled. In fact a lot of today hungarians have romanian ancestors, including the csango. The magyars were mongols, today hungarians are europeans. You can imagine why (slavs, romanians and others lived in Pannonia and in Erdely before arivval of magyars, they mixted with them and formed today hungarians).
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum This is the dream of the romanians. Please present one map.
You are very undereducated. The hungrians were europid people from central asia. nothing to do with mongols...
But this europid people went there from europe.... When? after and one time with the indo-european invision.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum
Dear ! There are no achelological objects have been found to prove the continuity theory!!! Please try to understand this and forgot it. We know with a hard hammer was it beaten into your head, but try to froget it!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum The romanian historant had to agree that the Gots were in Transilvania even for about 300 years.
The romanization of the dacs took 170 years,,, The lenguage was changed in this 170 years,,, But 300 years were not enough to have 5 german origin word in you lenguage. Think on this please! Isn't there any contradiction?
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Show me the map of the state of burebista! An other romanian guy told that even chekia. Based on some romanian words in the chek lenguage...joky...The romanian sheephers reaced eve chekia on the karpationa high hills, thank for their job.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@MrFefefofo youtube dosen`t allow me to put link here but i will put link on PM. About Chekia i don`t belive that, we share some words with all slavic nations becouse we also were influenced by slavic migrations (arownd 20% romanian words are from slavic language, 60% from latin and 20% from others, including hungarian). Burebista kingdom is descibed by some greek historinas, check messages for map.
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum you can read for example MArius Sala: Vocabularul reprezentativ al limbilor romanice
Here youcanfind that about 22% is coming from France...
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
Yes i did but we are tallcking about diferent things, i was talcking about all romanian language and Sala talck about contemporan language in comun use. Thoose are neologisms and in today comun use slavic influence is less then 15% i was talcking about all vocabulary and in major sense procents.
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum But do not forget the frech effect. In Romania it was a plan to use french words instead of the hungarian or slav origin words. That why it is important to study the coutry lenguage, and not the academic lenguage, where in the education consciously the latin and french was preffered!!!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum So do not underestimate the slav words.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum In the hungarian leguagae meaning that it is used everywheer and not only in Transilvania we have less then 20 words. Most of them are connected to the traditional sheepkeeping job of the romanians.
Furulya-fluier, Ficsúr-ficsor cimbora, kaliba, orda stb not too many...
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
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I diden`t say they are to many but special the toponism or Karaciony from Craciun tell a story, that hungarians took the names of big rivers or big christian celebrations from romanians, so romanians were here and were christians when the hungarians come and took this words.
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Take care!!! In Hungary there is an agrue of the origin of Karácsony. The finno-ugor teachers say it is from the ancient slav corcun!!! meaning "step over" The others say Karácsony is coming from our totem bird "turul" that was a kind of eagle or hawklike bird called:
Kerecsen or kerecseny. But nothing to do with the romanian Cracium. The romanian took it from the hungarians or the slavs.....
MrFefefofo 2 years ago 5
No realy, in wich slavic language Craciun it mean Christmas? In no one. Craciun come from latin language, from "calationem", of course, for hungarian propaganda even Adam and Eve were hungarians, i sow some websites were they say that sumerians and etruscans were proto-hungarians :)))
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Kerecseny as I told you the bird. In dec 15 they let them fly.... The Arpad family is the gens of the kerecseny...
The corcun has only in the slav legnuage close to the hungarians. Craciun from the calationem is hard to explain. As I told you many hungarian lingustics do not accept the slav origin. corcun. but is mor logic, if we concern the meaning. "Overstep"
MrFefefofo 2 years ago 6
@Probyzantinum back to the sumers. You have to know someting. The sumer lenguage was solved using the hungarian lenguage, and old writings.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago 3
@Probyzantinum I would like to send you a link... but I cant! you can find in youtube a 'hungarian propaganda" from an italian Professor from Roma. Search in youtube.
"The Origin of Hungarians 1"
You can spend some time? :-)))
This is a theory too!!!
I would like to hear your opinion!!!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago 5
Well, these views are not only held by Magyars. Even ITALIAN professors themselves support the Etrusco-Magyar identity! Not to mention Grover S. Krantz, who ADMITS that Magyars originate from the Carpathian basin. Old dogmas are dying, you know.
kexember 2 years ago 4
@Probyzantinum So when you see a symilarity between two word for example Paszuly in english bean, It has turkey origin!!!!
So when two word is similar there is a kind of rule how it is going to the other lenguage.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Mai omule, is arheolog si iti zic sigur ca noi (adica...romanii) nu avem nici cea mai mica legatura cu dacii. Da, am existat pe aici, da unii valahi erau crestini, da, facem parte din romanitatea orientala, ca altfel nu ne zicea nimeni valahi... dar hai sa nu ol bagam pe saracul burebista in povestea asta, ca nu are nici o legatura!
Barthaffy 1 year ago
@Barthaffy n-ai inteles, ii explicam ca regatul lui Burebista este atestat istoric si nu este o simpla legenda cum isi imagina el. De fapt daca citesti atent vezi ca nu am zis nimic de influenta dacica in limba romana pentru ca este foarte mica. Sa spui ca nu avem nici cea mai mica legatura cu dacii este o aberatie, nu suntem un popor pur genetic dar niciunul din zona asta nu este. In orice caz suntem aici inaintea ungurilor asa ca te zbati degeaba.
Probyzantinum 11 months ago
@Probyzantinum Of course the people were moving in the history. The romanians moved also like other nations. But the romanias are still moving...And do not tell me that the 2 million strawberry-picker called by the spain people will go back to Romania. Never. They went in the history where the life was better.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
So italians moved in Italy from Africa? :))) Your exemple is very wrong becouse most of romanians workers in West will tun back becouse they went there for money and left the homes and famelies here, they turn back every holiday. I gave you sources about romanian history, if you want to learn the thruth you can, if you still want to hear hungarian bullshit propaganda is your business.
Probyzantinum 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum Dear! In Spain there are more then 2 millions romanian, in Italy ca 1 million. Believe me! The first generation is coming back once a year, but the second not! You should also look after how the indo-european invasion happened to europe. This group from that time appeared in europe did not do anything else just wars!!!. An Thay hate the the proto europeans like the Celtics, and Basks.
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
@Probyzantinum I learned latin, and I have read Aeneis from Vergilius form the first letter to the last one.... But that is an epic....From there this population moved it is in the name . they are indo-europeans. and ca 2000 years BC . You had to learn about the Etruscs... They were eliminated by the romans....Compare their writing to the hungarian runes!
MrFefefofo 2 years ago
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bbeaful 1 year ago
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@Probyzantinum upgrade yourself couse of Matyas was never romanian!You can stole the soyle,but never the history......upgrade yourself and dont stay stupid,Magyar volt te suta
pikacccsu 1 year ago
Kitartás emberek itt és a határon túl is, bár szokták mondani hogy a határok megmaradtak csak a határellenörzés tolódott el. Nagyonszép ez a dal! Itt is nhéz magyarnak maradni mert már kissebbség vagyunk :S.
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ez borzasztó... ez a pina olyan dalokat énekel, amik nem is igazán magyar dalok... she's a fake...
már ha tetszik érteni, de nem reménykedem...
lexusis220d 3 years ago
Továbbá, ha irígyled Sebestyén Márta több évtizedes karrierjét, akkor is nála panaszkodj és valóban csak turáni dalokat hallgass, ha csak magyart vagy hajlandó elfogadni (ld. Puccini)
speterkar 3 years ago
Üdv!
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Üdv. Marcsi
CMarcsi20 3 years ago 2
Végsősoron csak annyit akartam írni, hogy te mekkora egy idióta vagy, de még hozzátenném, hogy szerencsére nem te döntöd el, mi a magyar és mi nem.
Olav01234 2 years ago