Robin Hood Comparisons

[Revenantch]

Well to think of it, they were made in the late 60s and 70s, its no wonder, for the similar animations. Another point could be, they took them, to keep the costs of the movies low

[sonicfreak04]

even as a kid

[sonicfreak04]

I knew jungle book was used

[General4nubis]

Honestly, I'd call it good forethought if they took the time to map out those animations once and then reused them later with different art and characters. They didn't reuse any one entire sequence from any one particular other movie, AND they still had to draw and paint each frame brand-new anyway, so I don't get where this is a big deal. Strange, perhaps, but not a big deal.

[Shenanigans33]

Still one of my favorite disney movies.

[AlexanderT21]

What makes it worse is that Baloo and Little John have the same voice actor.

[extreme65anime]

Yeah that is weird

[pommeemmop]

seems to be variations of the same song as well

[oasiac]

clever bastards lol

[OilyTower]

Kinda lazy but ya gotta admit , but those scenes works well in varied scenarios :)

[zombiesrule0]

look, robin hood's budget was only 1.5 million dollars, so can you blame them for re-tracing the scenes?

[IvyFlicks]

does no one notice that the part where mogley threw a rock of a little edge, then hopped down from it? well, that also happened in the many adventures of winnie the pooh.

[Filby]

I'm not really surprised. Disney's business was faring pretty badly in the '70s and '80s, so they did it to save money.

[anieatkin]

I really doubt these were reused to save money. The scenes in the films are individually painted. I think they were reused as an homage to older movies.

[eyesword101]

Sad? Dude You Guys Didn't Even Realize It Until Now.... that's good Business lol

[SchachtrainingUE]

Well. its true, but the bigger question for me is, if thats SO important?! Who cares? The Stories are completely different and there are some dancing skills u know from other movies as well.

Who cares?

We could discuss many Online-Role-Adeventures as well, they all base on the same?!

However, its one of Disneys best!

[CRASHTIMEWARP]

and people bitched when Michael bay did it

[TheMizuPanda]

My childhood... *sniffle*

[adsweaty]

THIS IS b*llsh**T i pay 12 bucks at the movie theaters to watch reruns? WHAT THE F***K DISNEY JUST WHAT THE F***K

[BaltoDork]

Sadly true..

[blink182loverx]

OMG!! :o

[goxdie000]

OMG Facts.

[UKboy1987]

I see this more as a homage to the (other) classic movies they have produced. There's nothing wrong with paying tribute to their other movies :)

[FoxOfWar]

This was the first movie done after Walt Disney's death. The studio was low on budget and they really needed to get Robin Hood out. Nothing really earthshaking - remember people, animation wasn't exactly as cheap to do as it is today. Well, good, animation at least.

@lionfeast1: Ever heard of ironic character placements, shout outs? Because that's what it was in Hercules; a nod to the studio's own good film. :)

[Glewen107]

pues si son iguales ^^

[KradtheWeiss]

Almost scary when you actually notice some similarities between the characters, nit just the dance moves.

[Haileyamandar]

It hadn't ever ocurred to me until I was literally watching Robin Hood just now and paused it to research this; I caught the undeniable similarities between Aristocats and the Phony King segments. I hadn't yet noticed the rest of them, but they are obviously fitted to 'tee' know that I see it.

[zukolover666]

they do that to pay tribute to older movies.

[Serdikhan]

@zukolover666 They had budget troubles so they reused stuff form previous movies even the sound of the wedding bells from "Cinderella". Luckily this movie did well at the box office which allowed Disney to continue making animated movies. There's a reason why the Disney company doesn't have good memories of this movie despite many people having.

[zukolover666]

@Serdikhan true. I have Robin Hood and i watched it just a few days ago. I love the movie even though there are some "recycled clips".

[MJNSEIFER]

@zukolover666 EXAACTLY! I'm suprised that people don't realize that.

[smilefumble]

You forgot two recycled segments in this song. The first one is that Little John marching along with the lute is the same as Baloo marching through the temple door. The second is that the movements of the elderly owl couple are the same as the movements of the little white-haired monkey in The Jungle Book

[Blackavar1988]

awesome XD

[TheAanikki]

Intresting, this was all new behind-the-scenes info to me. The video's great too, it illustrates the point very well :)

[marianafarr]

this is so genius!! :D :D :D

[DvSFoX]

OMG YES!

I noticed this last night and was hoping someone had put something on youtube LOL

I was so outraged as I hadn't seen Robin Hood in ages and when I saw The princess dance I was like " HEY THAT'S FROM ARISTOCATS!!!! THIEVES! "

[PannellRob]

Damn, foxy's a babe

0_o

[Tamizushi]

Of course I knew they did that but putting it like this really make it more obvious.

[SunshineSweetie22]

wow... that was super spooky.

[Serdikhan]

Disney had budget problems back they had to reuse shots

[AradiaMina]

I Noticed the this when I was 7 course now I feel like a retard for not noticing belle in notre dame lol

[reynoldc1987]

holy molly this is so messed up! ah!

[melissaIvory]

it's actually nice to see where they got that, since having found out about the recycling of movements. i don't know why anyone sees a problem with this though, considering it was all done by Disney in the end.

[ballerry17]

OMG!!! that is so freaky weird!!!

[GoRobotnikGo]

It's kind of weird and also funny! When I was young and saw those comparisions, I was kind like amazed! O_o

[AdrianMuravey]

Don't know about you guys, but this resemblance inbetween animation films like "The Jungle Book", "The Artistocats" and "Robin Hood" made everything connect for me. Baloo became "more Baloo" because Little John was like him. Both characters helped eachother be "legit" and more. And the other way around. All these films connected this way, and it was good for my memory too, because I'd remember one through the other.

Economical issues aside or not. :)

[ilovedisney35]

@AdrianMuravey what is also funny is the litlle john was voiced by the same person who voiced baloo and they used the animaton from jungle book

[miniixio]

HAHA love it, great vid!

[HyaenusDominae]

Wow. I thought about half the scene was reused. Turns out it's almost all of it.

[powerpup97]

@adisturbedoneandi You obviously do not know how to have fun.

[HyaenusDominae]

Yes, but many other people refuse to believe it and so need proof of it.

[EHH246]

When they were talking about the Xerox process on the 101 Dalmatians DVD, they acknowledged by this footage side to side with Snow White.

[HUTSUL79]

Hey, wearedefiant! I wonder when YOUR BRITISH animation will reach the level of those so-called "failures" of Disney XD. Let me know when it happens, dude!)

[wearedefiant]

When the FUCK did it become a competition? :S

Disney isn't the only American animation company genius. Also, look at those guys in Japan, some guy told me they're pretty good at it too.

[HUTSUL79]

So what so bad about it?

[Triggard]

It's definitely no coincidence. It just seems like something Disney did as a sorta traditional thing. There are lots of times in their movies where they'd reuse some music or movements. This being the biggest one

I believe another has to be the part where the hen stops the elephant from trumpeting. And also the "sad music" that usually plays in movies like this, and Aristocats was also in the Jungle book.

Initially, it's nothing more than a Disney thing.

[StevenKellyBelly]

This video is awesome, you make a very poignant and significant observation.

[ItchyGuy87]

What, you think every single movie is gonna have new animations?

[powerpup97]

Well, I was kind of hoping, yes. But doesn't The Lion King have all completely original animation?

[Serdikhan]

@powerpup97 Disney was in finacial crisis when this movie was made. Luckily it did well at the box office and Disney continued making movie.

[harold3456]

@powerpup97 yes, but the Lion King wasn't about anthropomorphic animals in the same sense that Robin Hood was. The only animal that walked on 2 legs in this was Rafiki, and I think they took his animations from another Disney cartoon. Also, I think they might have recylcled some Lion animaitons from the panther in Jungle Book, but can't currently remember.

[SchneeVvager]

yes I do.

[wearedefiant]

As an animator, for a company like Disney to TRACE over films already released is outrageous. They released it as a new film, and cleary they half assed it. Robin Hood has long been thought to be Disney's low point.

[singitjohnny]

@wearedefiant The Disney studio was nearing bankruptcy at the time of "Robin Hood". They traced the scenes to save money, not out of any sort of "How terrible, these big corporations cutting corners! Those lazy bastards are just sitting on their money piles and laughing!" conspiracy. Also, them doing this allowed Disney to make the film, and its financial success saved essentially saved the entire company.

[wearedefiant]

It still doesn't excuse them from tracing, sorry. We'll agree to differ here.

[shadowrose8907]

....whoa....

[KoolKrax]

Dude you just destroyed my childhood.

[lionfeast]

this is the power of disney, they place alot from previous movies in new movies

so for example we take hercules when he poses with a lion skin, that was scar.

just watch movies and you see

[SchneeVvager]

To be fair though, that was more a joke done on purpose then anything. But other then that I agree with you.

[wearedefiant]

Hadn't actually noticed that one. OH RIGHT. No, I know what you mean, he's actually wearing scar. Yeah, I remember that. That's more of a homage to The Lion King rather than tracing though.

[LeaderofGreeks]

@lionfeast when i was a kid i knew that was scar. i was like hey! when did Hercules skin scar from the lion king! that freaked me out!

[iflipped4u]

@lionfeast The part with the Scar skin in Hercules isn't the same thing as this. The use of Scar in Hercules is what's called an Easter Egg, a hidden reference to a different movie. This stuff in Robin Hood is reusing old animation to save some money and effort. Robin Hood was never referencing the old movies, they just borrowed the animations. The Easter Eggs are added in as a hidden surprise, not merely to reuse something of old.

[41dhos]

Don't forget, Disney films live actors to move and dance so they can make their animations exact. Since Robin Hood was made in Disney's hard financial times, they more then likely re-used that old footage.

[G0lfimbul]

trippy.

[Whitefang2331]

Haha xD I acctually noticed this in a different video yesterday, it was a music video but they matched up the jungle book and robin hood scene of baloo and theo ther bear dancing and I realized they were alike xD

[whensuddenlyaMANKEY]

You know, Robin Hood as a movie always bothered me for this reason. I knew I'd seen those various "copied" animation segments before, but could never remember where from. Thanks for putting my ponderings to rest!

[41dhos]

They also reuse a lot of animation in that film and notice everyone walks in straight lines profile to the camera the whole time.

[KirstenChocolate]

Oh my God. XD

[Pharaohseven]

MYYY BRAINNNN

[GryffsGirl131313]

You ever noticed how many characters are basically the exact same design? Lol. Some of them even have the same voice actor. (Not putting down Disney, I happen to love the old Disney films)

[powerpup97]

You're talking about Little John, right? He's the exact same design as Baloo, and both Baloo and Little John were voiced by Phil Harris!

[GryffsGirl131313]

All throughout Disney, I mean. It's hard to find a movie without character sharing. But yeah, like that. ^,.,^

[Katieboo1996]

@powerpup97 yeah the only differences are Little John is brown with clothes on and Baloo is grey and. . . naked

[Stigma231]

What I have just seen cannot be unseen.

[BluDevil93]

Well, I'll admit I was surprised when I found this out, but I knew they reused animation somewhere....

Either way, that doesn't mean Robin Hood was bad in anyway (in fact, it's one of my personal favourites of the Disney films :D)

[musicbox193]

People do that when they make a lot of movies

[genioatrapado]

Im in shock

[pocketpython]

good eye, I agree with the previous comments about it being from a stock reference and there being call-backs to other films (Animators LOVE doing this).

The bit with the bear (Baloo/Little John) is deliberate I suspect, as the same Voice actor was used in both and they are a similar personality, it's probably a call back and the dance style would fit with the preference towards Jazz that the charaters had (listen to the songs they sing, they are jazz numbers!)

Nice Job, Thanks!

[KatArtrive]

Good eye. They do it with other films too. I'm impressed how much you caught tho. Most don't see it without animation training. >>>>On the Disney/recycling front... I would love for you to watch the Indiana Jones films, (the original three) and the the Pirates of the Carribean movies and tell me your opinions on that. (People don't believe me. but I trust you'll catch it) ...and possibly make another of these comparison videos ;)

[BjornTuRok]

It's called rotoscoping. It makes it easier to draw those dancing scenes. Basically they just draw cartoon characters over footage of real dancers.

[JoeMudd123]

I would go so far as to say it was deliberate. Maybe they were paying homage to those moments from previous films?

[MrTingles]

the part with all the short cuts back and forth between aristocats and RH were like some real nasty drug trip

[XXXgossipGIRLXXX1]

woow shokking...but I s teel love disney cartoons...they're absoloutly gorgeous!!!!

[rruhland]

My two guesses are that either the people who worked on Robin Hood were just trying to call back to those older films, or they were working with the same roto-scoping references.

Early Disney films heavily used human references when making the animation, even going so far as to have some of Snow White's animations flat out roto-scoped, which is just basically painting over a real person with an animated counterpart. Think Ralph Bakshi's old LotR cartoons.

[quixoto]

I think Robin Hood in general was a rushed job for Disney. Notice how Baloo is directly lifted from the Jungle Book with the same voice and everything. It wouldn't surprise me that they cut any corners they could to put out that movie.

[Daemonlark]

You're close; Disney's Animation studio was pretty broke when Robin Hood was in production. The budget for it was much lower than the rest of the Disney Animated Canon because of this, necessitating cost-cutting maneuvers like this.

[Katterful]

Wow. Seriously, it's hard to see how I missed this, being the classic Disney addict that I am... Well, Robin Hood is still the best Disney movie ever made, in my opinion. The only problem I have with it is that the foxes don't have white tail-tips... but that's very minor. It's a great little movie, and I really don't think it matters that Disney reused certain bits of choreography.

[mathibear]

If human actors can have more than one gig why can't animated ones? Bugs bunny was in a lot of different shows, even dressed as a girl a few times. Give the bear a break.

[richstock2300]

i dont see whats wrong

it was made to be that way

to see if people would see it

and guess what you did, well done =]

it meant to have movments from other films

thats the beauty of it all !

[chitoryu12]

Actually, it was basically to save on animation budget. Animators in all backgrounds like to reuse as much as they can to avoid having to redraw scenes.

[5RAallmighty]

yes, but somehow i understand the animators, that were working in those years...

i don't mind if the cartoons are so similar...

i still enjoy watching them :)

[phoenixkh93]

i noticed bambis mom in a different disney film once, i cant remember which one now though. its weird that baloo and the guy in robin hood even have the same voice. thyre pretty much the same character!

[riy10]

they have the same voice cuz it was the same voice actor =]

[phoenixkh93]

yeah i know, that was my point

[Abracamoron]

I think it's interesting that they reused Templates from other films

[NaruhinaXSasusaku]

Either the RH gang watches too much Disney or everyone else watched too much RH.

:( The Robin Hood people fail at dancing,I suppose..

Hm,so what if they used the same dancing? However,it is odd they used the iconic Jungle Book song.

[beckibobs]

We all know disneys has the love theme, friendly cute friends,a vilan n above all a happy ending.Why fix something thats not broken.The fomular works.Kid's love it, We as kid's loved it, we didnt need epic movies,the vilian was enough to scare us!We learn from reptition thats a fact!Disney films are legends n always will be cos they gave us wicked meomorys n some of those scarey 1s too! U missed out that in every film theres some sort of image that makes up the mickey face not so clever now aye!

[ShivaIndis]

Wow, chill out a little! You don't need to justify liking any Disney movie to anyone. Personally I think this video, and other like it, are fascinating.

[hjm87tube]

wow,...cheap way to go disney! still love it no matter what. i don't really seem to care that much

[shinchanatic]

I noticed the Recycled scenes from the Aristocats are on Robin Hood when I was a kid.

[HunterxColleen]

(laughing hard) You're killing me!

[OzzybanOswald]

Similar to the 911 videos touted as if from different videographers.

[RasecVonWizzlbang]

EVERYTHING I KNOW IS A LIE D=

[BenJabituya]

So true.

[casgar49]

That things is what makes a Disney movie special, this is not the only one that had recycled the movements, also on the end of the beauty and the beast they dance like the sleeping beauty. bambi's mother appears on the beginning of the movie... and in other movies like 101 dalmatians and so on...

[powerpup97]

I'm encouraging other people to make responses to this video showing other recycled footage in Disney films. I made some points in two of my Cartoon Commentary videos.

[cellistwithoutacello]

It's recycled choreography, not recycled footage. The movements may be the same but the drawings are completely different.

[xcourtkneex]

They also reuse a lot of the animations between Sword in the Stone and Jungle Book. Pretty much anywhere you have a similarly built character, they recycle their motions. In The Sword in the Stone, they also reused audio clips a lot. Listen carefully any time Arthur falls or gets into trouble :)

[frdrcklim]

Lol. Really cool if you ask. Actually, I noticed that before when I saw Maid Marian clapping her hands and I said HEY! didn't Snow White do that. Anyway, i guess people still watch the classics even if they almost look the same. The only thing different I guess is the change in scenery lol. Disney characters must've love Disco so much.

[dharmaboy77]

As long as the films are good, I'm not that bothered. I have heard about this recycle stuff before though.