@eenkjet give the painters the credit they deserve for coming to NYC. I know the two curators, they both love what they do. It's easy to complain from a distance. I dont like all this work, but it contributes more than you are. History is a tale told by the winners, so, posterity is relative. Most of these artists are in the city, trying. You are typing your dreams away :)
the first artist created. the next 300 all said "what, is that what's going on right now?" they had no inherent artistic voice adopted the movement and started making work. the artist/painter that starts the movement is the artist, the painter that partakes of the movement is a paint stylist. and we are up to our eyeballs in stylists at this point. very few actual artists. i sell $20-30,000 pieces commonly, and i don't call them "art". they are just experimental pieces. art is sacred.
@darkminguel3 so you do agree. an image and it's message isn't what makes it ART, the idea if based on illustrative information (ie, someone, something, doing, this, meaning that, which represents ...etc) is not art. it is an illustrated narrative. it's art with small case "a". not ART. and what's this about knowing art movements. art history is a creative antagonist. the very fact that there was a "movement" wreaks of a historical lack of personal creativity. movement means hack.
The argument saying "this is not art" is not very formidable when someone already said it is art. I dont agree. ask any illustrator and they will say this is an illustration i made for this mag ect. If they say its art then its art. Movements happen when a large group of artist come toghether to break new grounds. Its the sole reason why there are so many different kinds of art nobody makes a movement someone just categorizes what artist are doing a "critic" and calls it a movement.
@wizzlewolf LoL everyone is a critic but only some know 2 artist per dacade not to mention at least 10 art movements. If you dont know at least these things you shoulnt be criticing anything.
@darkminguel3 if a chemist mixes a polymer up right now. that is a new polymer. but if the recipe is simply a modification of a former polymer, it is not patentable. it is not considered new. the definition for "new" has decayed for the artworld. when i say new, i really mean NEW. drawing a big eyed asian girl holding a bleeding lamb or whatever... not new by my definition. just slick illustration.
as for getting away with it. does an artist really want that to be his legacy?
Please give me the link of "the asian girl holding a bleeding lamb or anything bleeding as a matter of fact" and patent nobody patents art even if they do they will just be appropriated by another artist .In the 1950s Robert Rauschenberg. And illustrations are only used for graphic novels, books, magazines, covers and that sort of stuff. You can't say that is illustration if its hanging on the wall of a gallery. As for legacy Piero Manzoni canned his own shit its worth millions now
Is abstraction still important? I will take Wool or Marden any day; this is a mixed show that I would like to know more about. Many of these paintings are excellent.. But in spite of the mixture of excellent and not very good work I am most interested in the underlying concept, which escapes me. help me out, someone.
Drips are getting played out. Young painters seems to latch on to these type of things quickly. Show me some skill and give me some stuff to chew on! There were some good paintings in there though...not knocking everything. Thanks James!
waaay back in the olden days... teens drew dragons, chopped up people, and gothy crap in their spirals as school. now they just over-illustrate the same figurative work. kawasaki's work is very good illustration. nothing more.
so.
IT IS NOT NEW. it is tired old 70's album art relabeled as fine art for stoners and losers.
@eenkjet Dont get me started on NEW that is just your definition.
Those artworks are new because of the sole fact that they were created in 2010 or 2009 your going to tell me art in 2015 is going to be old. I believe these old timers with their mostly non figurative work are just upsed these youngsters steped up their painting of gothy crap from their spiral notebooks. Hello "Art is anything you can get away with" Andy Wharhol and PERIOD
@mrbaxtercat you can be visually generous. what the world needs is spectacular life changing paintings, big or small. these paintings were crudely painted by artists that have been painting for a few years, i hope.
The original Basquiat was 22 when he was world famous
age is nothing but a number in the face of the world
"Spectacular life changing paintings" I have never meet someones whos life had changed because of a painting. Paintings can impact people sure.
I believe their is alot of people who like low brow art hence Juxtapose mag and High fructose I believe we are just in the begining of the low brow scene.
hey hey ease up on the low brow and figurative scene While i do aknowledge the basquiat wannabe were i almost bursted out laughing. They dont speak for all the low brow figurative artist your going to look at Audrey Kawasaki and tell me shes imature. I think overall its more just about what art you like and what art you dont like that defines your definition of good.
everything old is new again or is it? this looks like stuff from 1984..most of these artists probably weren't even born then..a lot of dana shutz and basquiat wannabes, does the world really need more big paintings...you can be "visually generous" in a 12 inch square...
thanks james! cool gritty paintings. although the local scene here has much of the same, it's always fun to see the rich and gritty.
the curator mentioned juxtapose
the other day, i picked up my usual stack of at magazines to go with a coffee at the book store,... . i hope the low brow alt art has run it's course. emotionally unstable/immature people with art supplies, equals emotionally immature artwork. they should be selling meds along side the acrylics and oil paint at the art store.
News check almost all artist have been emotionally unstable Jackson pollock the origianal Basquiat not to mention the ultimate Van Gohg and im not one to drop Van Gohg's name. But i will make this exeption
@eenkjet give the painters the credit they deserve for coming to NYC. I know the two curators, they both love what they do. It's easy to complain from a distance. I dont like all this work, but it contributes more than you are. History is a tale told by the winners, so, posterity is relative. Most of these artists are in the city, trying. You are typing your dreams away :)
MrWowforever 1 year ago
the first artist created. the next 300 all said "what, is that what's going on right now?" they had no inherent artistic voice adopted the movement and started making work. the artist/painter that starts the movement is the artist, the painter that partakes of the movement is a paint stylist. and we are up to our eyeballs in stylists at this point. very few actual artists. i sell $20-30,000 pieces commonly, and i don't call them "art". they are just experimental pieces. art is sacred.
eenkjet 1 year ago
@darkminguel3 so you do agree. an image and it's message isn't what makes it ART, the idea if based on illustrative information (ie, someone, something, doing, this, meaning that, which represents ...etc) is not art. it is an illustrated narrative. it's art with small case "a". not ART. and what's this about knowing art movements. art history is a creative antagonist. the very fact that there was a "movement" wreaks of a historical lack of personal creativity. movement means hack.
eenkjet 1 year ago
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darkmiguel3 1 year ago
The argument saying "this is not art" is not very formidable when someone already said it is art. I dont agree. ask any illustrator and they will say this is an illustration i made for this mag ect. If they say its art then its art. Movements happen when a large group of artist come toghether to break new grounds. Its the sole reason why there are so many different kinds of art nobody makes a movement someone just categorizes what artist are doing a "critic" and calls it a movement.
darkmiguel3 1 year ago
Thats it. Its the bottom line "ART is anything anybody says it is"
and do i have to say good or bad is a matter of opinion.
To say movements are uncreative is ingnorant no artist said im going to make a movement they just made ART.
Period I think this will be true for the next 500 years.
darkmiguel3 1 year ago
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foxtrapper1972 1 year ago
Right On eenkjet...
jameslour 1 year ago
Oh geesh. Everybody is a critic!! LOL LOL Loved this show. Thanks Mr. Kalm! :-)
wizzlewolf 1 year ago
@wizzlewolf LoL everyone is a critic but only some know 2 artist per dacade not to mention at least 10 art movements. If you dont know at least these things you shoulnt be criticing anything.
darkmiguel3 1 year ago
@darkminguel3 if a chemist mixes a polymer up right now. that is a new polymer. but if the recipe is simply a modification of a former polymer, it is not patentable. it is not considered new. the definition for "new" has decayed for the artworld. when i say new, i really mean NEW. drawing a big eyed asian girl holding a bleeding lamb or whatever... not new by my definition. just slick illustration.
as for getting away with it. does an artist really want that to be his legacy?
eenkjet 1 year ago
@eenkjet
Please give me the link of "the asian girl holding a bleeding lamb or anything bleeding as a matter of fact" and patent nobody patents art even if they do they will just be appropriated by another artist .In the 1950s Robert Rauschenberg. And illustrations are only used for graphic novels, books, magazines, covers and that sort of stuff. You can't say that is illustration if its hanging on the wall of a gallery. As for legacy Piero Manzoni canned his own shit its worth millions now
darkmiguel3 1 year ago
Is abstraction still important? I will take Wool or Marden any day; this is a mixed show that I would like to know more about. Many of these paintings are excellent.. But in spite of the mixture of excellent and not very good work I am most interested in the underlying concept, which escapes me. help me out, someone.
ALTHEGREAT101 1 year ago
Very Strong show .
Thanks James
hankjunior 1 year ago
I rarely like figuration, but Trial was fantastic in its execution, the pose and the composition were both pretty great.
IchorDarkness 1 year ago
Drips are getting played out. Young painters seems to latch on to these type of things quickly. Show me some skill and give me some stuff to chew on! There were some good paintings in there though...not knocking everything. Thanks James!
cpkelley 1 year ago
waaay back in the olden days... teens drew dragons, chopped up people, and gothy crap in their spirals as school. now they just over-illustrate the same figurative work. kawasaki's work is very good illustration. nothing more.
so.
IT IS NOT NEW. it is tired old 70's album art relabeled as fine art for stoners and losers.
class dismissed.
eenkjet 1 year ago
@eenkjet Dont get me started on NEW that is just your definition.
Those artworks are new because of the sole fact that they were created in 2010 or 2009 your going to tell me art in 2015 is going to be old. I believe these old timers with their mostly non figurative work are just upsed these youngsters steped up their painting of gothy crap from their spiral notebooks. Hello "Art is anything you can get away with" Andy Wharhol and PERIOD
darkmiguel3 1 year ago
Definitely diggin the "Plane" piece. Good work.
iheartcheesenbeer33 1 year ago
ofcourse your 42 anything new is mostlikely beyond you
learn to appretiate all art having a bias in the art world thats imature
considering art is anything
darkmiguel3 1 year ago
@mrbaxtercat you can be visually generous. what the world needs is spectacular life changing paintings, big or small. these paintings were crudely painted by artists that have been painting for a few years, i hope.
eenkjet 1 year ago
The original Basquiat was 22 when he was world famous
age is nothing but a number in the face of the world
"Spectacular life changing paintings" I have never meet someones whos life had changed because of a painting. Paintings can impact people sure.
I believe their is alot of people who like low brow art hence Juxtapose mag and High fructose I believe we are just in the begining of the low brow scene.
darkmiguel3 1 year ago
hey hey ease up on the low brow and figurative scene While i do aknowledge the basquiat wannabe were i almost bursted out laughing. They dont speak for all the low brow figurative artist your going to look at Audrey Kawasaki and tell me shes imature. I think overall its more just about what art you like and what art you dont like that defines your definition of good.
darkmiguel3 1 year ago
everything old is new again or is it? this looks like stuff from 1984..most of these artists probably weren't even born then..a lot of dana shutz and basquiat wannabes, does the world really need more big paintings...you can be "visually generous" in a 12 inch square...
mrbaxtercat 1 year ago
@mrbaxtercat kewl story bro!
kidluna 1 year ago
thanks james! cool gritty paintings. although the local scene here has much of the same, it's always fun to see the rich and gritty.
the curator mentioned juxtapose
the other day, i picked up my usual stack of at magazines to go with a coffee at the book store,... . i hope the low brow alt art has run it's course. emotionally unstable/immature people with art supplies, equals emotionally immature artwork. they should be selling meds along side the acrylics and oil paint at the art store.
eenkjet 1 year ago
News check almost all artist have been emotionally unstable Jackson pollock the origianal Basquiat not to mention the ultimate Van Gohg and im not one to drop Van Gohg's name. But i will make this exeption
darkmiguel3 1 year ago