They aren't getting down to brass tacks arguing about what we should tell people. The questions are whether "alcoholics" can learn to drink moderately, and if they can, is this a more attainable (and therefore safer) goal than abstention? Is an alcoholic the best person to choose her treatment goals? All these questions fallaciously assume that people who drink problematically can be thought of as a group with the same primary condition and will respond to a treatment in a predictable way.
@zrhinier the fact that THE founder of moderation management spun so completely and totally out of control is a huge warning flag to people. But, lets also remember that she joined AA (and left MM) 2 months before the accident.
Lets also remember that the co-founder of AA, Bill Wilson, apparently became a disaster too. He started taking LSD decades after founding AA and, perhaps worse, he apparently suffered from such extreme depression that he was a total basket case.
idiotic...it's like instructing someone with a gambling addiction to use nickle slot machines because it's less harmful...
MrScottmac33 5 months ago
Bill OReilly is one of the biggest morons out there
ShrinkingSkunk 11 months ago 2
They aren't getting down to brass tacks arguing about what we should tell people. The questions are whether "alcoholics" can learn to drink moderately, and if they can, is this a more attainable (and therefore safer) goal than abstention? Is an alcoholic the best person to choose her treatment goals? All these questions fallaciously assume that people who drink problematically can be thought of as a group with the same primary condition and will respond to a treatment in a predictable way.
TheSinisterKitty 1 year ago
The founder of your organization killed two people. It's over. Now suck it up & find real work. That's what Kato Kaelin did.
zrhinier 1 year ago
@zrhinier the fact that THE founder of moderation management spun so completely and totally out of control is a huge warning flag to people. But, lets also remember that she joined AA (and left MM) 2 months before the accident.
Lets also remember that the co-founder of AA, Bill Wilson, apparently became a disaster too. He started taking LSD decades after founding AA and, perhaps worse, he apparently suffered from such extreme depression that he was a total basket case.
forestskog 1 year ago 2