#87 - VSPB Toyota Install

[afluffydragon]

would this size cell be able to power a Go kart. i need to make a water fuel sell for technoligy and is this the same?.

[jasoneburke]

Uhhhhhh, I put gas in my tank and the car goes. It's really easy! You don't need all these polyacrolytic canuter valves. You do have to make sure your car door is closed so the Energy source is not drained when you start the vehicular transportation device.

All kidding aside, I applaud all of you, but especially this guy for working his ass off and standing on what he has proven through trial and error to be true. Rock on ZERO!

[silverman1001]

that line your ae calling the PCV line is not the PCV line in fact it is a engine breather, The PCV is feed to manifold vac

[eminem147792]

ok. well i lv like watch alot of ur vids. and i am sooo fuckin lost. lmao. this is sum weird be i think perty kool shit.

[hhohydrogen]

i tried it, overheating of the cell, corrosion on the plates reducing reaction,power drain on the alternator,after many diffrent variations its bull people just drive less,or get a smaller engine , or use the mind to find a new way that works,electrolysis is a waste of your money.

[wonderwayner]

Most car alternators produce enough power for every switch in the car. How often do you use them all? I do agree that most people do not need their Gas guzzler. If you lived here in the UK you might think twice. I use my 4.2DT Vx Landcruiser for my Towing buisness Not for taking my kids to school and going shopping like most of them are used for.

[wesjp2006]

Hello Zero... I have my cell output installed right before my butterfly. Is this location sufficent enough to draw in the hho even at idle? Doesnt the butterfly have some vacuum on it at idle? Thanks for your great videos and time. I hope all your efforts have a great payoff and show those dis-believers that nothing ventured = nothing gained :-)

[bhelpurii]

Fluke 77 III , best investment I ever made.

[vshart]

can the angin run soully on HHO ?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

SURE! If you can generate about 5 liters per second.

[vshart]

so much? do we use that much gasolin vaper? how abut the timming will it have to be ajusted ? please check this video on youtube maybe it can help with some of ur works

"Hydrogen Fuel - Engine Fundamentals #7" BTW im enjoyig every video ur making & lerning great deal from them. please save us from the oil terorists ;)

[PanccoVanilla]

@ZeroFossilFuel Hi man! Is that possible produce 5 liters per second??

[atechus]

Whats the model of your totoya?

[snowbrush3]

Wouldn't it make sense to add a relay in series with the ignition relay activated from the oil preasure sensor? Ignition on or not, it would prevent production of gas when engine is not consuming it.

[WILLNDENYS]

i have installed own cell w/30amp fuse that keeps blowing up because of overheat . do i need pwm to properly run without blowing fuses ? also i run the hose to air intake is this the same as pvc valve ? thanx a student.

[llewgnal]

Nice , but seems you may have been a sheetmetal man,ha,ha...I am building my second one,learning a lot from your videos.the cell I am working on now is quite a bit diferent from yours.still watching ,tip ,Get Rid of the Plates , anyway thanks for the videos , and I would like to you keep in contact...

[Fentanyl3]

So, you have built a device that defies all laws of conservation of energy?????

[flare951]

actually, he built a device that follows all laws of physics. maybe if you knew anything about physics and chemistry you would understand that a HHO cell is a reality...

[Fentanyl3]

Well, no shit, I thought electrolysis was a joke. I'm not saying theres no such thing as an HHO cell, it simply electrolysis, what I am saying is that it does not improve fuel mileage,,,,,PERIOD if this thing worked, then you could use a large enough generator and a large enough cell and not even need fuel, Oh! WAIT that defies the law of conservation of energy whoops there went that idea along with millions of other crackpot ideas.

[flare951]

actually, you can use a large cell and not use any fossil fuels... it follows the laws of conservation of energy because it uses energy to make hydrogen, which you burn to reform the energy as heat, so the process is electricity>hydrogen>heat>moti­on>alternater converts motion back into electricity>hydrogen etc... the point is that you do need a separate power source such as solar(free short of the cells, which will pay for themselves) and water+electrolyte... do a little research next time

[wonderwayner]

You almost sound clever. But erm........... you have no common sence. You make one, try it and find out for yourself. What have you got to lose other than time you would spend moaning about what other people are doing

[Fentanyl3]

Look, it would really be great if this was feasible, but it's not, PERIOD. Say what you want, but I do not need to build one, the current and long standing laws of physics state this is not possible. And what i mean by not possible is this. If you have a perfect world with NO LOSSES then if you put one joule into water separating it, when you recombine it you will get ONE JOULE BACK.

[Fentanyl3]

So, when you figure in the losses in the wires, the conductivity of the electrolyte the losses in the alternator, and last of all the terribly inefficient engine driving the entire process it will produce a NEGATIVE total usable energy. if you figure in heat loses and hysteresis and all the others drains from efficiency you'll end up with a system that actually reduces fuel mileage by 1 or 2% at best. I moan about it because I would really like to see people do other things.

[Fentanyl3]

Such as drive less, buy a vehicle that's under 7000 lbs and isn't built on a 3/4 ton truck frame with a 10 cylinder engine. Ride a bike, or do as I did, and install an engine on a Bicycle. I ride to work for 85 cents a week. I moan, because I hate to see wasted recources on pipe dreams. As stated earlier if an HHO cell actually worked, then you could simply install a large enough alternator and produce enough HHO to run the engine without fuel. Message me if you like.

[feeziep]

Fentanyl3, although I do respect your decision to cut down on fuel consumption by switching to a bike, I still have to say that you complain too much about hydrogen cell technology. Now, it's been a couple of years since I've brushed up on my chemistry (I still have a few binders full of notes and formulas), but I do know enough to realize that this can and does work. And it's not simply FEASABLE it's technolohy that's been around since the late 80's.

[Fentanyl3]

It takes 286Kj per gram of water to separate it as it is and endothermic reaction. when recombined it will produce exactly 286 Kj. Now you have to figure in tons of things that are going to rob the reaction. Friction in the belts and engine, resistance in the windings, hysteresis in the coils, resistance in the transmission wires, heat absorption into the engine and cooling system, heat loss through incomplete cycle causing combustion in the exhaust. I can continue but I think you get my point.

[feeziep]

Yes, that formula is correct. The energy from splitting and recombining an H2O molecule is the same. However, this system isn't recombining water molecules. It splits the Hydrogen from the Oxygen, the hydrogen gas rises into the release tube and gets sucked into the engine where it is burned along with the gas fumes. We're not obtaining energy from splitting the atoms, we're getting it from the hydrogen gas produced after the reaction.

[rhblakeman]

Cap the blast valve off, let the bubbler fill the cell tank all the way up making it saturated then put a sight tube and blast valve on the bubbler. I've gone to this and it works much better and having no airspace (hydrogen space) in the cell is much safer. You have the ability to have the bottom of the bubbler at the same level as the top of the cell tank then you can fit a sensor in the bubbler to either turn on a pump to dump more electrolyte or turn on a signal lamp. Just a thought.

[mrandmrspatricio]

hey thanks for the video its great...i have the same truck and was wondering what did you splice into for the relay i looked under the dash and im not sure which wire is on when the ignition is on thanks

[sleepytdm]

Hello.

This is really amazing! I thank you for your time, and for sharing this with everyone.

do you think I could install one of these in a 1991 rs Camaro? its a v6 if that makes any difference.

If it is possible, is it expensive to do so?

do I need to make any expensive modifications to my car?

Thanks again for your time.

[montorla]

I want to say thank, I think your work is really good, continue like this. I have a question about where you install it, isn't dangers to install it in front of the vehicle? You know in front colission?

[wsetrecords]

Yeah, I asked him why I would need a 30 amp circuit when Meyers used half and amp, told him I was going to need many units, and I never heard back from him.

[2br2br2]

Great vids. Zero!

Warning : P W M P O W E R . C O M has ripped me off for 277.95

Send your dollars at your own risk !

Tell your friends to use caution with them.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I have long since withdrawn my endorsement of PWMPOWER. He is disorganized at best, his work quality is juvenile (if and when you do get what you ordered) and my own personal experience with him leads me to believe he is a dishonest POS.

B U Y E R - - B E W A R E ! ! !

[2br2br2]

ZERO.. The king of videos ! I agree with that!

[sickpigrecords]

i am not going to disagree

[leewayx9]

Hi Zero, is your design based on the Hydrostar design? Stan Meyers? Or maybe both? Some guys are getting 4L to 6L per minute which is what I am guessing is needed to get my Hi-Output V6 to show any increased Gas Mileage. I have read about ome people going straight Hydrogen only with no gasoline at all... I thought that was not a good idea with an internal combustion engine that is designed for Petrol. Thanks!

[leewayx9]

Hi Zero, It seems the large coil really changes things and I see most people are not adding the large coil. Also can you talk about the difference of attaching the Hydrogen Fuel line to the Manifold Vacuum Intake or through the Air Filter Intake. Thanks! By the way my wife thinks it's all a hoax and I am wasting my time and money... Kinda like my failed SSG experiements ( I never could get the Bedini circuit to work at all ). Thanks again.

[sparrow082]

i just wont to say thank you for all your work cakt wate to start on mine. have you thot about putting a bubble stone at the butom of the bubbler tank

[danilocarvalho21]

hello Zero, only one question, can put the hose of unloading gas HHO collector for admission directly into the engine of the car, that creates a problem related explosions? Their work is very beautiful!

[friedenmeister]

what is the purpose of the bubbler? can you not run straight from the hho generator to the intake manifold?

[apathy772]

Would you then be able to plug in a 15 - 30 amp battery charger to create the H that runs the generator essentially self reliant power

[ZeroFossilFuel]

This, my friend, is the Holy Grail.

[LabRat4680]

it would take all of the energy you created to keep the reaction running, 0 net gain. You'd never be able to use the power to run anything but the generator. :P

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Unless you can introduce a catalyst or force that reduces the energy required to produce HHO over conventional brute force electrolysis.

FYI, Mr. know-it-all, somewhere between 7.0 and 7.75 ml/min/watt it is generally regarded as unity energy gain. We are now already flirting with 8 mmw and more using only conventional brute force. Faraday is certainly rolling in his grave.

I personally have my sights set on 10-20 times that efficiency.

Sit back, keep still, and enjoy the show.

[apathy772]

Zero you have not once ceased to astound me with your videos. I loved physics class subscribe to Popular Mechanics & Science and Wired none of those mags have pulled me in as much as your videos. its 7am EST and ive been in front of this tube for over 6 hours watching. Ive seen the torches made using this system that means the H will burn. what i want to know is would it be possible to sustain a 10kw generator with a low pressure propane carb installed with 100% hydrogen and if so CONT:

[eandatoo]

Man,

you guys are way ahead of me. I haven't gotten my L316 stainless steel plates yet. I got my PVC tube, hoses, and fittings. I'll catch up you'll see.

[aleisterfiends]

Okay, I have seen many of your videos and am impressed, but the basics are a mystery to me yet. Could you give me a rundown of the basic components and concepts of the HHO system, maybe a base schematic?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Soon. I'm redesigning zerofossilfuel*angelfire*com. Schematics, mechanical drawings, bills of materials, theory, it will all be there.

[Inventor81]

You never mentioned anything about "efficiency". 18KJ/mole of hydrogen is 1/13.8 of the the heat of formation of a mole of water. That's why it'll be 6KW or so instead of 83Kilowatts.

You rock man.

[hye4life617]

-.-.....?

[IIIRotor]

on the subject of efie. I have the ability to change the target mixture, my efi will try to attain when it is in closed loop Lambda mode. Am I correct in assuming that this needs to be taken down to the lean side of things, from there the need for the efie on systems that do not give one the ability to change this target....

[Inventor81]

You do realize that 1 mole of hydrogen gas would occupy one liter at room temperature and ambient pressure. This represents roughly 250 Kilojoules of energy.

your system, over the course of one minute produces over a liter of gas (the composition of the gas is debatably monoatomic, thus H+H+O, so one must account for that by tripling the mole amounts)

in short, you're dumping ~60 kiojoules into the cell over the course of three minutes to yeild 250 kilojoules worth of HHO. I see it, but how?!

[jeffnicq]

I will just trying to spread the idea just encase something happen to me be for i get to my lab. I will be back in my lab in about a week. plz stay tune.

[jeffnicq]

Hello. Plz take a look at me vid labeled "D Flip Flop output rotation HHO" The idea in the vid is for HHO setups that have power connections for each cell. In your vid you use only one connection for all for your cells but if can be easy modified.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Try it and show us!

[outdoorfan1]

ZFF, I'm very curious as to the effects of using oxygenated (ethynol blend) gasoline with this technology? Are you using 100% gasoline or some kind of blend? I'm glad to see the 10% gains that you're getting. So far no luck for me. I've got to get an EFIE.

[cribcat1]

Thank you for your videos. I have learned a lot from everyones mistakes and successes. I recently hooked up pencil lead which is actually graphite. I have no idea what graphite is composed of chemically. It is a good conductor and doesn't produce a lot of scum or precipitate. This test is at the one hour mark. Let me know if details are desired. Well water + baking soda + current. Still running clean.

[Inventor81]

graphite is carbon. It runs clean because there is no electrode half reaction occurring. You should be getting a boost in efficiency, although the graphite itself has a high resistance. Graphite is used in biomedical applications where metals would contaminate samples with metal oxides/halides.

Try carbon fiber cloth - conducts pretty well - a string of carbon fiber roving will have about 50 ohms resistance, depending on quality. Pure carbon, give or take. Usually starts with polyacrylonitrile.

[cribcat1]

In my experiment which ran for three days the carpenter pencil leads produced a carbon "sand" on the bottom.Degradation happens but does not produce scum.

[Inventor81]

That's because pencil "graphite" is actually a mixed, fired ceramic with a ton of carbon in it. You'll measure tens to hundreds of ohms from end to end on a pencil lead depending on hardness.

Btw: I've got my 4" cast acrylic tube in, just have to get some time to pick up the CF cloth!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I can't wait to see!

[Inventor81]

Just finished my Dev. Bio final exam. It's only a 5 credit class. HOLY CRAP!

Anyhow - got the tubing, got some carbon, got the insulators and the pump, as well as a reservoir. I guess all that's left is to drill and glue!

Want some 40-dollar a foot cast acrylic tube? :-p

[Inventor81]

Here's a dumb *hmmm* idea...

Why not put a T-fitting in between the top of the cell and your overpressure burst disk, and put a little baffle in it. I'll make a vid this evening with my webcam and some fittings if I can scrounge them up and "reply" to this vid. Basically, you just give yourself some space between the top of the foam and the actual inlet tube. Maybe even pack it with foam. No bubbler needed.

[budssubs]

Love your vids. You have inspired me to try running my small engine Escort on hydrogen.

(see 6 hp escort you tube) Why not keep your bubbler above cell and still sharing electrolyte? You would fully immerse the plates and use 100% of them. Also, would keep HHO out of the cell. I am following your lead and am testing optimum amps and volts for a given plate area.Then adding N plates, then PWM, Am also testing amount of HHO needed to support combustion per cc of engine displacement. Let U know.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I saw that! Really awesome. Good luck with your build.

[bodycollecter]

whats your mpg increase with this cell ?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

So far, w/o an EFIE, cell alone, looks like around 10%. Still gathering data.

[theedesigner]

So do you have some kind of goal for all this work? Or are you a box?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Yes, the goal is to create a detailed tutorial and get as many people building these devices as possible. Or haven't you noticed?

[scotchrks]

Ok I kind of thought so if the molecules are separated, you will always get the same thing. But I always wonder what will separate them with the least amount of energy?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Me too.

[scotchrks]

Hey Zero, Have you ever considered how much hydrogen you are producing versus oxygen? The HHometer is pushing nice, but how much of that is oxygen? Please make weight measurements with air minus container tare weight vs. HHO weight minus tare. Also with different electrolytes. Not sure if it would be any difference, but very curious! (sorry for the extra work)

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Sorry. Not going to do that. It's already a known stoichiometric ratio.

[pixelcomet]

each atom should split into

2 parts Hydrogen

1 part Oxygen

H2O what else??? :)

[rexjamesbros]

Hey Z, great work you are doing, I'd like to build one like this, for the money, i think its a very cost effective cell to build as opposed to the steel tube methods. However I've been searching these comments and the videos but never saw where you said how many neutral plates are on this one. It looks like 5 in between alternated + and - plates, is this correct? Is it the same number of + plates as - ? I've ordered my Dave Lawson PWM from Tom already, will that work good with this cell?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

CANCEL YOUR ORDER! GET YOUR MONEY BACK! The stuff Tom produces looks like it came out of the garage of a 12 year old. He uses good parts but outdated schematics and can't build quality to save his life.

As for my cell specs, please see the FAQ on my channel home page.

Z

[supersilve]

Please take note that water boils at 18deg centigarde under 30 inches of mercury (vacuum). So the higher the vacuum the faster the water boils

[sultinhh]

the second O2 sensor is for catalyst monitoring so you should not have to mess with it. the computer just wants to see a difference between the front O2 and the rear to make sure the catalyst is working properly

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Very nice. Thanks for that bit of info!

[goturtlepoop]

if you use the same resevoir for the bubbler and the gen....you will have a boiling problem...the vaccuum with couse you to boil...the best thing to do....use a 2nd bubbler, then any vaccuum is on tyhe 2nd, bot the first bubbler which is connected to the gen

[survival0201]

Ok...you're right. I saw a pic of theirs the other day . Seeing that, and mixing it with other ones on youtube, made me curious. What is it that makes yours stay cool? Are you using any type of pulse(PWM). Ive seen many of your videos and I didnt see one. I was also wondering what your MPG's are right now. Thanks, Im sure that ill be getting back to you with more dumb questions. Hell, I didn't know about any of this until last week. Thanks again.

[vicodinwolfe]

i was wondering how big is the engine for your Toyota?

ive been thinking about making one for my 1.6L 4 cylinder mini cooper and was wondering how much hydrogen going into the system would be safe as an estimate?

i would hate to have a piston fire the wrong way and break the crankshaft....

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Don't know the displacement. It's a V6.

As for the Cooper, I've seen under those hoods. You got room under there?

[survival0201]

I've been looking everywhere for the answer to my questions. I used stainless 3/16 cable inside for the generator. Ten feet total(5' pos & 5' neg). Both coils were wrapped around Sch 40 pvc with vertical slits cut into them. It produced a 24oz of gas in 1:56. After about 30 minutes the water began to boil. This ,of course, disfigured the internal pvc "insulator." Please give me a few ideas to keep the temp down. I dont have any fancy guages, please tell me like I'm in kindertgarten.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

You mean it took almost 2 minutes to fill a bottle that would otherwise hold 24oz of liquid. One and a half pints. Right?

Sounds like you replicated the Water4Gas piece of crap. The max voltage between electrodes in water before serious heating starts to occur is 2.5V. Their design is snake oil. Anyone buying one is being ripped off. Anyone building based on that design is wasting their time.

Period.

Sorry to break the bad news. Throw it away and start over.

[survival0201]

I think Im answering one of my questions. Each of the neutral plates cuts down on the voltage between them. That was more of a question than a statment. Is that why you have so many neutral plates?

Could you put 2 or 3 of these in your vehicle to continue improving your gas mileage? Or would it hurt your car?

[eandatoo]

Hello, Zero

Would manipulating the tip of the O2 sensor fool the ECM into think that the engine wasn't running too lean?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I may try the drilled out non-fowler just to see if it works.

[Inventor81]

It's not that the ECU actually thinks you're running lean. You're adding a stochiometrically mixed gas, so net increase in oxygen is nil. The point is that you're adding a fuel which is undetectable to the system, so you have to cut the normal supply, or there are no mpg gains. I am setting mine up to spoof the throttle position sensor instead, and see how that works. According to ZFF's numbers, you'd need 450 amps @ 14.5V to run my 95HP geo @ full tilt. That's only ~9 horses of alternator.

[cribcat1]

Does this have to do with the O2 sensor and over compensation of the EFI system or what? And BTW thank You for Your constructive comments. 6525 Watts is a lot of power. 8.72 Hp is not much but on Your Geo the serpentine belt would snap in less than a minute or two. Use a chain and sprockets somehow and run several alternators. It's the only cheap way to get gas motor power to electrical. I believe your calculations to be correct or at least very close.

[Inventor81]

I'm planning on leaving my gas hooked up as normal, but aiming for about 120mpg by switching to 90% or so HHO. It just makes sense to still be able to run on gas - you know, if water prices go up... (or I spring a leak in my homebrew system...)

The idea is, I don't have A/C. There's an extra pulley on my crank, same size as what drives the alternator belt. I'll get a new belt, fab a bracket,toss in a 350 amp alternator installed. As long as I don't firewall the throttle... we're good!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

This is very ambitious. I sure hope you put up the video!

One problem some have had is water fouling of the plug when running a small engine on 100% HHO, which I have legitimately seen done, BTW.

[vicodinwolfe]

Looking good!

have you took it for a little test drive yet?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Oh, Hell yes!

[pixelcomet]

is this the 25-plates model btw?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Yep.

[theedesigner]

Hey ZFF, I have a question for you. Is it possible to run a car on 100% HHO? If so, Do we know how much production would be needed for say a small 4 cylinder?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Probably and no.

[supersilve]

Hi ZFF I also have a toyota mine is a yaris verso 1300 cc with a strait 4cyl. The engine is also VVT-I. The electronics are rather similar I suppose and I am rather curious how are you going to handle the O2 sensors. I think its better to monitor them individually first w/o the cell and see their response so that you can mimic the same values individually hence find the offset in voltage if there is any. At the moment I am still experimenting with my small fiat with a carburettor.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Probably tinker with the 1st O2 sensor before the cat with my EFIE.

[bennytan777]

ZFF, another great video!

Can you also tell us a little bit how you are able to ran the wires inside the car? This is my problem right now, can't find how i'm gonna wire it it through inside so I can put a switch and a display.

Any help and tips (or maybe videos) is greatly appreciated.

Keep it up!

[denton3737]

Benny, run your wires through a firewall plug... that's how I run all my hho wires and stereo wires.

[brassard95]

great work. i have been following your design through your videos and am very interested in seeing this work out. i am tired of being raped at the gas pumps. its time for people to be able to strike back at the oil companys and show them that they are not the only game in town. maby a valve at the bottom of the bubbler so that when it is bubbling it is its own tank but levels out when off

[eandatoo]

Hey, zero.

Do you have to use a hydrogen AND oxygen mix? Why can't you just tap off the hydrogen by itself to avoid the O2 sensor running the engine rich? Maybe 2 seperate chambers can be used to collect the gasses independently. Just a thought

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Try to get the same production volume with only two sets of plates separated far enough to collect the gases independently. It's not easy.

[deltahho]

Hi there Zero I've been doing a bit of playing around with hho and I was wondering how do you think I would go running HHO with LPG? Good or Bad idear? I'm a big fan I've watch all your Videos there great thanks Keep up the good work!!

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Good idea. Try it.

[outdoorfan1]

ZFF, I'm intrigued by the idea of having the bubbler and booster share the same bath. My question to you is are you absolutely sure that bubbling through KOH electrolyte will still properly scrub the gas of the negative vapors that will harm the engine? I would think it would, but I'm trying to collect info on this.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

It would recondense KOH back into solution. However, I powered up the cell after joining the resevoirs and got an unpleasant surprise. The backpressure created by the submerged bubbler tube causes the fluid to push back from the cell into the bubbler, raising the level, raising the backpressure, and so on, until the fluid starts to spit from the gas outlet.

Shared resevoir is out. Have to wait for the 12V solenoid valves to show up. >:-(

[blazedkirby]

what you need to stop the water vapor from going into the chamber, and make it pure HHO, is to use a filter, your bubbler does this somewhat, but then there is splashing in the bubbeler that can make the water go into the tube and be pushed by the air going to the engine. this is not good as ive heard it said, "water in the gas tank can ruin an engine!"

[bobosheshz08]

What gauge are the plates in your cell? I am trying to find 316L at a decent price.

[supersilve]

Hi Z nice output there from the cell at least it looks as it is all HHO and not HHO and steam as we have seen from high output cells claiming more than 2lt below 30 amps.

Have you attached the EFFIE device to the vehicle yet?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Not yet but that's next. This vehicle also has 2 O2 sensors, one just before the 1st cat, one just after. My thought is the one after the cat will need less offset than the one before the cat. Not sure, though.

[sabriath]

You can "borrow" one of those $600 bricks that read your engine while it is running, this will give you the proper O2 sensor resistance (while cell is off) that you would need to mimic (while cell is on). I would recomment placing that as part of your "flip switch" device, so that you get proper o2 readings with the device off, and mimic readings with the device on.

[cuke8466]

On my vehicle, the O2 sensors after the cat are not used to control the mixture. They just verify operation of the cat. The ECM monitors the signal from the sensor, and if its within spec., no error is reported. You might be able to ignore the second sensor if yours does the same.

[babaluto]

ZF

My apologies, the connection between eletrolyzer cells is live, however the connection to the bubbler is valved. It was the relative location of the bubbler that was what I meant. sorry.

[babaluto]

Hey Z!,

Just to affirm the physical location of the bubbler. I am operating 2 cells with the bubbler a couple of inches higher with common fluid connections on all. It does help.

A

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I'm sure it does. The only concern I have is sloshing between bubbler and cell. I'm going to use a very small tube for the bridge.

[Yeowzers235]

Thank you for your work Z,

What is the function of the negative shunt (aka: Poor Man's Shunt). I've got all the cell 'makings' that I will start working on today. I got a 30 amp breaker from the autoparts store that I was going to use insted of a fuse.

Thank you again,

Yeo

[ZeroFossilFuel]

To monitor the current being drawn by the cell remotely in the cabin. See video #43

[InventorGadget]

This is awesome! Your video is so informative and cool, i'm happy for your progress!

[mrdrey123]

This is awesome.

I watched all of your videos, but still can't understand why you stopped using PWM. You didn't find that they are working or there is other reason? Would like to know because im working on Dave's (pipe) design and soon going to build PWM. Please let me know your opinion.

Thank you.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I haven't stopped using PWM. I'm experimenting with PWM, on a different cell, when I'm not experimenting with other things.

One guy.

One thing at a time.

[babyella07]

Tidy install, thanks for sharing all of this highly valued information, Z. 5 stars

[ZeroFossilFuel]

It's just a temporary install because it's not my vehicle. It's a company lease.

[Careica]

Is that your Toyota? It's nice!

If you take risk to put hydrogen in, you are on right way. But I think in that car, are many technologies than only CO2 meter.

[jcndizo]

What!

[Careica]

You said that to me?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Yes, he said that to you. Even I can't figure out what you're trying to say. Either your English is too broken or you are very confused.

[Careica]

:D My English are so f. bad!

I tryed to say that you have nice car. And I said that I think in car's like that are much more things than only CO2 meter. I mean in your car would be many other sensorst that could pull down hydrogen efficency.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Oh, okay. CO2 is not monitored by the vehicle systems. That's why the confusion. But you're right about other systems potentially causing trouble. It's harder to circumvent them.

[ivojara]

Don't worry, where the PCV system returns to the intake plenum there is always positive pressure from engine blowby past the rings, also, the PCV valve is a "ball valve" which is one way, it will not allow flow from the intake system through it to the crankcase, even if the pressure was negative (which cannot be)

[flahr1]

Has anyone taken voltage measurements on a O2 sensor with/without HHO?

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I have. It fluctuates too rapidly to really see anything. The instant that you apply and remove the HHO you can almost see it spike and settle as the ECU tries to compensate.

The one thing I saw that was VERY encouraging was a very noticable increase in RPM when HHO is applied, then the ECU lowers the throttle setting to drop the RPM back to spec. Opposite when you remove the HHO.

IT'S WORKING!!!

[carlf40216]

but instead you should inject it into the plenium or plenium hose before the throttle plate as long as it is not where it can go through the crankcase. I wouldn't want a crankcase full of HHO and then maybe blow the oil pan off the truck. I enjoy you videos and await any new one you put up. I'm sure I speak for most of that are learning so much from you Good Job like sid tells you.

Thanks again for your efforts. Carl

[sabriath]

From the video, it looked like ZFF fed the line through the return linkage right in front of the throttle valve, seems like good placement to me venturi style true to form I think.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

Carl makes a good point but I think my feed tube is long enough so that HHO exiting the tip is all fed into the plenum.

I was really excited when as the engine was idling I could distinctly hear the RPM drop when I disconnected the HHO and rev up when reconnecting the HHO.

[ivojara]

Hello ZFF, if you really want to make sue your electrolizer is not running with your engine off, please use the oil pressure sensor (the one that activates the dummy light for zero pressure) to activate the cell, if you leave the system like it is, your cell will go on running in case of an accident if the engine stops but the driver does not switch off the ignition.

[carlf40216]

Zero,

It looked like you have the hho going in to what you called the PCV return ??? If the place you are putting HHO is into the plenium or plenium hose via the pcv "return" I think it is actually the fresh air going into the crankcase. Air is pulled through a there into the crankcase from the plenium hose as fresh filtered air and then goes into the pcv valve and into the intake manifold after a trip through the crankcase. I don't think you want your HHO in the crankcase ...more

[ljrow49]

Proud of ya ZFF.

[CarbideTip]

Could you use two check valves? One inline and one on a tee to atmosphere?

Nice work Z.

[ZeroFossilFuel]

I could except that most check valves introduce too much back pressure and/or flow restriction. Two check valves would also exclude connecting the cell to a vacuum source as there would be a constant inrush. I like my solutions best.