If he valued black life, he wouldn't have yelled "Let's go get my gun" to give people the impression that he was a badass.
He said he was going to get a gun, and the cops took him seriously. If they didn't, and Guzman came back to shoot someone, they'd be marching with signs saying "no justice, no peace for (insert name here)" "Cops were all over that club, and they failed to protect this innocent guy because they don't value black life".
The police didn't shoot first and ask questions later. They told Bell to show his hands, not to move, they identified themselves as cops... and Bell hit a cop with a car... and crashed into a van twice. He proved he was dangerous even if he didn't have a gun. Not only were the police protecting themselves, they were protecting the people in the club (presumably all of whom were black). To say they don't value black life is wrong.
Part1 so what you're saying is if we start showing the love as a community, things will change LOL! My brother you seem like you have a good hart. But this is the real world. Why do you think governments all over the world have some type of ghetto in there countries? Not all but most white people have a deep rooted complex when it comes to seeing black people doing well.
Part2 Why was crack pushed in the ghettos? How comes it's so easy for blacks to get a gun when we don't make them? Why do white people buy out every major black company when it surpasses the 100 million mark?
Part3 Why do the Jews run the music industry when they have never had a history being lovers of the music they sell to our kids? Some people would say black people need to stop blaming other people for there faults in life. I say some people should try being poor and black and living in this world! Peace!
yes its true that the Black community needs to come together as a whole but if you are going to sit and make negative comments about the situation what are you doing but bringing down the community instead of finding a way to improve the community and yourself. These days everyone is out for number one and that's a shame. My point is take care of home first then worry about everyone else. be blessed
WTF! so in other words you agree with the way the police in New Orleans pulled their guns and shot at the people who were trying to get to safety? A lot of times when people bring light to a situation it is ignored unless it is all over the news. beside you don't need everyone else to make a case for you, do it yourself, I know of a family that got justice due to themselves, they stayed on the police and system to ensure they got justice. people need to stop waiting on others to do their work.
Don't mention that idiot on my videos please. Thank you.
I am not riding for any system. I said exactly what needed to be said. When you people start protesting "black on black" crime, the "system" will follow suit and respect a black man's life.
the system was never created to follow suit or respect a black man's life, if that was the case slavery would have never occured.....nonetheless your still trying to justify the cops murdering an innocent person...
but tell me it was your friend right, so what did you do?
You probably believe we shouldn't discuss Rodney King right? And that's why I made that comparison.
It is a sad thing when people(especially black) refuse social, political and moral injustices still present. That's the mentality of a housenigger(one that forgets, and reluctant to acknowledge the struggle)
im not trying to insult you, im making a political statment.
Your argumnt has any holes in this sense: if there are 30,000 rape murders, YOU would argue that it would be wrong to show one of them on a larger scale(like sean bell). More in-depth and analytical.
You might be missing what I'm saying: I'm saying that Sean Bell's case was an injustice that deserved its attention regardless of other murders that occurred that day. Ill repeat: The police murdered someone, 50 shots.
Comparing me to a "house nigger" will not advance this conversation.
I am not saying this shouldn't be a big deal. I am saying that their are a lot of other things that happen which are far worst than this and blacks do nothing about it. The only reason blacks are up in arms about this is because it was done by the police.
Check out my video on "Ramona Moore". Why didn't blacks make some noise over that?
Well, sadmouth, TheDreamReborn was victimized by a black person and now he has an axe to grind. I deal with his kind on a daily basis. What happened to Bell was inexcusable and now they want us to believe that Sean Bell just went crazy for no reason and had to be put down. People like DreamReborn would take to that like a fish to water, but I know what really happened.
The cops were 2 young black men and a young hispanic. The aquittal was due to a low value of black people's life, but the cops shot him because they were thugs themselves.
Get your facts straight the cops shot him because he was coming at them full fucking speed what would you do if a car is coming full speed at you & you have a gun? What would you do throw your gun away & say please stop?
Actually it's against police protocal to shoot at a moving vechile, despite what TV tells you. Look it up.
The reason being is because cops risk the chance at shooting blindly into a car that might be of an innocent (i.e. child, bystande). It's only allowable to shoot at tires, not the windshield. That alone the cops should have been found guilty of reckless endangerment.
This is something else police and news people seem to keep ignoring.
Despite what Tv tells me?? Who are you talking 2? I knew it was reckless endangerment because I have been to the site at where he was killed & as dream stated in his previous video to this one bullets were everywhere & I don't go to TV to get my facts I do my research & come to conclusions TV is the one portraying this man as a victim you need to look at this at both point of views & not just one & please don't tell me about the law thanks
You must do some pretty shabby research because you failed to mention why Bell came at them with his car. It was because they blocked him in, drew their guns and shot at bell after starting an altercation with him. They never ID'd themselves as cops because they were not acting as cops. They were acting as trigger happy wanna be thugs. Again, nobody knew they were cops until they hid behind thier badges after the fact.
They were not concerned for their lives. Bell was concerned for his. The cops blocked his car and shot at him out of anger. Bell, fearing for "his" life tried to break through that blockade and they killed him.
Look at you making it seem like this was some type of novel you wrote how did you know all that unless you were one of the boys there or a eyewitness then speak your piece how can you possibly say they did it out of anger? Are you saying the cops are super human? So they just got mad & say fuck it I mean come on please make a relevant point because you sound really stupid (cops killed him out of Anger) Get the fuck out of here
More bullshit from TheWetDreamReborn. The truth is, this didn't start off as a police matter. A group of dickless scrubs got jealous of the attention Sean Bell was getting from ladies in the club, so they started an altercation with him. They harrassed Bell all the way outside until Bell got in his car. They blocked bell's car, drew their guns and shot at him. Bell than tried to ram his way through and got hit with more bullets. They later ID's themselves as cops to hide behind their badges.
and for tha ppl who feel a ricochet cant travel that far well look at this a bullet fired from my glock travels at 896ft per sec and max range of abt 26,000ft thats higher than wat choppers fly @ indeed ricochets slow bullets but only to maybe a max range of abt 20-22,000 ft thats still way further than a hlf a block and a bullet can slow its range even lower like 18,000ft but depends on tha ricochet but they will still travel far. so Id have to say its great they only went a half a block honest
Its important to have an understandin of how laws are to be able to give tha right verdict. How many jurors would have been ballistic experts had they had a jury trial? How many jurors would have known tha science of bullets who would have had to come from tha hardest state to get a gun had they had a jury trial? this is why they chose a judge because can you prove that those bullets completely missed and hit something else? NO you can remember they fired upon a metal object...a car
Im not a cop but havin a pistol permit they tell you talk to a lawyer abt whats a clean shoot and not and when you say they were reckless becuz bullets went everywhere listen to this if you have a knife and rob me for my chain I draw my weapon and fire a single shot but miss u n tha bullet his a girl and kills her thats reckless however same scenario I fire a single shot and the bullet hits ya cell phone ricochet's and kills that girl thats a tragic accident nothing criminal civil yes thats all!
Dream you cant say the cops made bad judgement lets be real here man they were in this club not for them also thy didnt have guns or badges wit them in tha club since it had bouncers that were searchin ppl so ask yourself what made those cops get their guns and badges in tha 1st place? then wat made them focus on guzman? even after tha spanish detective was like "lemme holla at you for a sec" guzman got in tha car anyway so how did the cops use bad judgement? Thy believed a gun was there n fired
which means if tha cop heard guzman make that statement then they followed, I mean remember they werent there for sean bell and his friends they didnt kno them so something had to be said to turn these cops attention to them. So they ask sean to stop as he is abt to pull off he doesnt heed the command guzman looks like he is reachin the cop doesnt actually see it but wit tha statement seans actions and now guzmans he believes there is a gun so he fires thats all he needs its a clean shoot by law
I have a pistol permit so I am bound by the same guidlines as cops when it comes to deadly force. its important to also understand self defense laws ex. if me and another person are arguin and he gets in my face but doesnt strike me and I decide to hit him 1st that is still self defense on my part no where does tha law state you have to be hit 1st or fired upon 1st etc to defend yourself. Self defense laws are more abt perception than actual actions
And for ppl who are still confused are you goin to tell me that 3 blk men from Qnz with criminal records were not aware who these 7 men all armed were? After all who were these kids? they werent celebs their parents werent politians or famous ppl since when have you heard of a group of 7 assasins rollin around nyc? you havent so even if law abidin citizens wouldnt have known who these guys were sean bell and his friends def did and they chose to keep goin when ordered to stop simple
Also for those who dont think tha cops identified themselves its a known fact that minority cops are more likely to identify themselves as police than white cops as wht cops assume you kno they are police with that said are you tryin to tell me that out of 7 police who were there none said police? that doesnt make any sense witnesses to tha shootin said they didnt see badges on all but some were clear either around their neck or pinned to shirts or jackets
Dream I love ya vids Im a big fan wit that said lemme clear some things up if I may I dont think its a matta of not valuin blk life as I do think they would have did this is a white town understand why they acted. They said they heard guzman say go get his gun or he was goin to get a gun they followed asked them to halt identifies themselves and thought guzman was reachin for a gun so they fired. that would have happened in any hood white or blk
I could think of far worse things to complain and stress over rather than Sean Bell. Personally...i chose not to stress over every issue that comes up because i live at least once and i might as well be happy while i'm alive. Why stress so much over stuff like this and other things? It is important but dwelling on it all of the time only makes you miserable.
I chose not to live my life in pure misery like i did most of my life. Many people seem to prefer misery. Most if you ask me.
the law states police can't shoot at a moving vehicle.the law states the only shoot in a life or death situation. the law states if they do fire, it can only be 3 times then they must stop unless fired upon. That's the law & it was broken MORON. learn the facts before yo make videos . So we should stop taking about it right. I tell you what, it should have been you in that car. Then there would be nothing to talk about!!!!!
no your channel makes your look like a jackass.either way you should have been in that car. The shots fired went all the way to they airport an allmost killed a man it on video that's reckless endangerment thats a law also jack azz
The bullets did not go to the airport you jackass. A bullet went into a train station that takes you to the airport. If your dumb, simple, uneducated ass opened your fucking ears, you would have heard me say that the cops should have been convicted on the "reckless endangerment" charge.
I wish your moms was in the car with me you piece of shit.
look everybody this person says its cool tho kill youngblack men.he is the man. what next Martin Luther king is a trouble maker I guess it was ok the kill him too or any other black man. Dude you a a discrace to the skin you wear. If that were you do you think your parents would be saying no laws were broken get real dude.
*The Phantom Mence 2 society is on your dumb black azz
hey some good news.. their were no nypd related shooting deaths since the Bell verdict..o yeah ..a black man was fatally shot yesterday on wyatt street by another black man during an argument...and in the bronx a group of black kids shot at another kid getting off a school bus wounding one kid critically....and surprise ..surprise even though people witnessed both shootings no one came forward..not even one of our'' hard working" black (activists)to condemn the events.
You're an [immigrant.] If your homeland was so just, you'd still be in Trinidad! You need to update your historical knowledge of American history! Step your game up and take off the black-robes already!
Maybe in your eyes black life has no value...Just imagine if an American immigrated to Trinidad and started judging your people; would folks not be indignant?
I hear what you're saying but there is a difference. When black on black crime happens there is no big uproar 'cause it's so commonplace which is twisted in and of itself. Now when those who are hired to "protect and serve" do it it's the opposite of what they're supposed to do...and then to get away with it...man! Honestly though would you not be like wtf if I were to immigrate to Trinidad and start judging the citizens?
"When black on black crime happens there is no big uproar 'cause it's so commonplace"
This only reinforces my statement.
"when those who are hired to "protect and serve" do it it's the opposite of what they're supposed to do"
Is it a black man's job to kill another black man? NO, so why isn't there any uproar over that?
You honestly don't want to hear what I have to say in regards to Trinidad and Tobago. Whatever you have to say probably wouldn't be as harsh as what I have to say.
In regards to black on black crime you forgot "...which is twisted in and of itself," chopping quotes will get you nowhere. I think that clears up the notion that blacks are supposed to kill each other. The dichotomy is: cops are trained and hired to protect and serve and every day citizens, well we're unpredictable. As for your opinions on Trinidad, I'd like to hear what you have to say, that's your homeland...Peace!
I didn't mean to misquote you bro. My comment still stands though.
"cops are trained and hired to protect and serve and every day citizens, well we're unpredictable"
As long as you aren't mentally ill, you should know right from wrong.
I will be making a separate channel for my Trinidad topics. I don't think much people would understand what I am talking about if I post them under this channel. I'll make sure to share it with everyone when I create it.
The moral of this story is, even when you're having "fun" you need to be aware of what's going on around you. Clubs are so overrated; y'all better start thinking and realize nothing real good is poppin' at 4am.
Still @ 4am. I'm not saying it was right he died, but better decision making skills need to come in play. Even when you're having "fun". That's all I'm saying. He essentially died cause they thought it would be fun to see some naked girls before he got married. Sad.
Right and whats the harm in that, none that I call recall. But for the cops to unload 50 shots, 50 shots, cmon thats excessive. You know how many times they had to reload?
You have to realize that there were 5 officers involved in the shooting. If ONE officer fired 50 bullets, then yes you can say that it was excessive force.
Detective Paul Headley fired one round, Officer Michael Carey fired three, Officer Marc Cooper fired four, Officer Gescard Isnora fired eleven, and veteran officer Michael Oliver emptied two full magazines, firing 31 shots from a 9mm handgun and pausing to reload at least once.
Officer Oliver was the only one to reload his weapon.
I understand that. & In fact, thats my point. An officer's job is to serve and protect the public, at their own life if necessary. Now Im not saying they dont have the right to use their guns to protect themselves but cops have always been too trigger happy with blacks, since way back in the day.
Not in this case. These cops (in my opinion) didn't see trigger happy. They had to make a fast decision in the matter of life or death. Although Sean Bell wasn't armed, waiting to see if he was, was a risk they were not willing to take.
Also, these cops never fired their guns before that night.
Like I said, thats their job. To a lesser degree ur argument can be used to prove why I have a hard time catching a cab. If its a cab drivers job to pick up fares, but for whatever reason they dont want to risk doing their job where Im concerned, thats prejudice. Every heard of dont fire until fired upon. They dont have the right to assume like that. Not when innocent lives cud be at stake.
So they say. Do u think, in a situation like that, someone without a gun wud say go get my gun while in a confrontation with the cops? Nobody in their right mind wud provoke cops like that. C'mon.
LOL, no no no. It did not happen like that. The only confrontation they had with the police was when they were already in the car.
Secondly, there were other officers there investigating the club aside from the officers involved in the shooting. One of the officers already inside the club heard this and called for back-up. He feared there would be a shoot-out.
Yes. Frisk them, take the weapon, cuff them and arrest. Why wait til they leave the club, get into their car and shoot the shit out of them. Then find out they were unarmed. Ooops? Hell no!! Look u cant make this make sense to me becuz the cops over reacted - say it - over reacted. Thats all there is to say. Other than they got off for it.
Fine, you are welcomed to your opinion and I am welcomed to mine. I am not trying to deter you. You should at least try to understand where I'm coming from too. You don't have to agree, just UNDERSTAND, because I see your point too. I may not agree, but I understand it.
I do get where ur coming from, & its not right. Just like its not right for cops to shoot when they dont know if theres a threat. At least on the TV show Cops with the cameras on they wait to see whats what before they shoot. & no ones been shoot without real cause.
r u seriou show many fuckin clips did they have through one cop shot 41 times 41 Fuckin times he had to reload 3 times cuz there is 15 bullets in each clip....... 41 times thats all im sayin
This "at their own life" line is taking it a little too far. People expect cops to sacrifice themselves to protect civilians. There is no law or policy stating that they have to do this. It's entirely up to them to be heroes.
No its not. Thats like saying a fireman has the right not to go into a burning building to save ppl. U saw what happened on 9/11, cops and firemen lost their lives to save civilians, becuz thats there job.
No, the same applies for firemen. They are not obligated to go into a burning building if they deem it to be too hazardous. In most situations, they end up going into the building anyway because this is what most of them became firemen for; to risk their lives to save others. They are in no way obligated to recklessly risk their lives though.
I really have no problem with anyone going to see some naked chicks. MY problem is that he chose this bar to see naked chicks at. A bar known for crimes. He put himself in a bad situation when he chose to go there.
bro I dnt even wanna look at the comments that ppl wud have left on ur page lol its only gonna distress me. I cudda sworn 2 of the cops were black. We dnt hear bout it much ova here.
Also, everyone is saying that he was "overkilled". I don't think there is a limit on how many times a person can be shot or shot at, although 50 shots is rather plentiful.
Besides, I don't think a person can be charged with "overkill or excessive kill".
This same situation happened in Compton when a man was fleeing from the police. The Sheriffs boxed him in and as he attempted to run over a police vehicle in reverse and not an officer, the officer shot at the driver. Then another officer heard the shots and fired back into the car also so pretty much the officers were shooting at each other. They shot into homes mind you over 200 times and did not hit the perp once! He was grazed a bit but that about it!
In a civil case I can name a few laws that were broken! Those cops should feel lucky that their trial was a judge and not a Jury trial! Had it been a jury trial they would have been hanging from their balls with lies about why they shot into the car but unfortunately we will never know why they did it. So criminally without the ability to cross examine their statements as to why they shot into the car, I have no case! All I have is police officers murdering unarmed men and getting away with it!
WOW! Excellent video...finally someone with some common sense on this topic.
I know you must be receiving a lot of hate for this video though. People need to also take into account ALL the details of what happened and examine the laws and charges.
Another thing about the city system...they frown on putting police officers in jail for doing their job. And in this case...that's what they were doing.
...and that's all that it is. A sad situation all the way around.
I wish the people spending their energy attacking me instead of my opinion could explain to me what laws these officers broke except for maybe reckless endangerment.
I did make noise for my friend. you just didn't hear it because I was the only one making noise. I didn't have the support of the black community behind me since a cop wasn't the murderer.
Police brutality is the intentional use of excessive physical force by a police officer, prison officer or other law enforcement officer.
This is not a case of "police brutality" because the police did not intend on using excessive force when they were investigating Sean Bell and company. They believed that they were under threat, so they responded accordingly.
Wifey81 - Was he armed or was he fleeing from plain-clothed armed men that may or may not have been undercover police officers? I dont know about you but if a man is walking torwards my car with a gun in hand I am not stopping! Self-preservation would be the only thing on my mind at that time! Would you allow men in plain clothes to stop you while your driving, oh Im sorry ARMED MEN?
So that we will not be as anti establishment going into the future when this shit happens it weakens peoples faith in the system and furthers the problem.
And dont get me wrong yes i do blame us also we gotta stand up and do somethin if things are gonna change.
As long as law enforcement officers misuse their firearms,we'll keep talking about it.
It's a mindset that killed Sean Bell.The police are not there to protect your rights,they are the enforcement arm of the Government .When Government is out of control,the people have not only the right to speak on it,but a duty.
Yes, they broke a law,which is why they chose a judge,instead of a jury.Fraternities of power always side with each other.
Dont shoot the messenger. And in case u need a reminder theyve been lynchin black people for centuries before hip hop. You ask what that has to do with now but it helps lead a people to be socialized into being anti establishment if they look around and see the system killin their people. Maybe that is y we should protest to make the system accountable to us as well.
Who has been financialy backing our destruction from cia coke imports to watering down hip hop? it happend with jazz soul and rock also if u need a clue. Are cops beatin up on theese skateboard punks that say FTP too/ because if u bring up hip hop culture to show how we repreesent ourselves there are other races who act anti-establishment also but do they recieve they same violence. I like people who like to blane hip hop for black peoples problems as if the problems didnt exist before the music
Dont give them a pass for being pus-sies and a using shoot first ask questions last mindframe. Cops get respect for being courageous members of society protecting the peace. If theese guys are to pus-sy to inspect wats going on before they start shooting they should not be officers.
About Hip-Hop culture if u dont realize the wattering down of the message in rap have contiued as it has become more mainstream and more money has been poured into it where is that money coming from?
I agree with your point about respet yourself so others will respect you.
But this is not a case of police brutality?
We gotta learn the laws so they cant keep doin this because im not sure about new york but in many states the cops are not supposed to fire one shot before a suspects gun is drwan and it is seen that the supsect has the intention to shoot. Now following that law if no gun was found at the scene how can they of been justified to start shooting.
I know how blacks are treated in America also but you can't put all the blame on the system. In my five years in this country, I have suffered more injustices by black people, than police officers. I have never had any run ins with the police actually.
They were serving and protecting. They did not shoot because they felt to. They shot because they believed that they were under threat. I believe it's safe to say that these officers were not looking for a "nigger" to kill that night. I do not fear being the next victim of a police error more than I fear being the victim of black on black crime. I am from the twin island Caribbean country of Trinidad and Tobago, now residing in NYC.
wow ...this is most level headed video that was made since the verdict.....no protest for black on black crime, if Bell was shot by another black man the stop snitching campaign would,ve been in effect by j guzman and the other.......but because its the police...all hell breaks loose sad sad sad im sorry for our black generation......excellent video man.......thanks
If you want to get away with murder all you have to do is be black and murder another black. After that, you are granted automatic immunity by the black community and the cops don't give a fuck because you are not a threat to them.
Until black life is valued by blacks, police errors will only increase.
When are people going to realize that the "Stop Snitching" movement is hurting the Black community more than anything.
People claiming they didn't see a certain crime take place is just giving criminals power and the ability to commit future crimes.
In this situation, race shouldn't even play a factor because there were Black officers involved. Rodney King's situation was definitely racist, but I don't see racism playing a role in this case.
First of all thank you for making this video. I agree with you when you said you don't want Al S. to come and help you, I said the same-thing, everything he touch never really works out the way it should, only thing good to have him on your side is the Media will hear about it, and that's it!!!! As far as Sean goes yeah the cops should had been charged with recklessness for shooting hims 50 times, which I don't think all 50 bullets went into his body.
Na look man, fuckin open your eyes. They shot him 50 times and one of the officers even had reload. Are you telling me no law was broken when the man was not even armed??
And its not about a cop killing a black man, its about police brutality period. How many more Sean Bells need to take place before you feel it is a big deal in your eyes??
Blacks are tired of cops killing blacks and getting away with it. Blacks are tired of blacks killing each other. Blacks are protesting against both of the things I stated. Al Sharpton is not that bad like ya'll make him out to be, he's very smart and makes alot of sense if yall take the time out to listen to him.
I'm different because I'm not judging the situation your judging the situation what I'm saying is look at it from the cops eye view as well & not only the victims if you look at it from only the victims then your no different from the so-called unfair verdict
Good Video, I am in agreement with you.
stephenabm 3 months ago
Lets all just be glad he's dead....one less stupid nigger,is always a good thing
Asylum709 1 year ago
Why do I say that?
If he valued black life, he wouldn't have yelled "Let's go get my gun" to give people the impression that he was a badass.
He said he was going to get a gun, and the cops took him seriously. If they didn't, and Guzman came back to shoot someone, they'd be marching with signs saying "no justice, no peace for (insert name here)" "Cops were all over that club, and they failed to protect this innocent guy because they don't value black life".
I blame Bell's friends.
Poisonshady313 3 years ago
Great comment. Well said.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
Thank you.
Poisonshady313 3 years ago
The police didn't shoot first and ask questions later. They told Bell to show his hands, not to move, they identified themselves as cops... and Bell hit a cop with a car... and crashed into a van twice. He proved he was dangerous even if he didn't have a gun. Not only were the police protecting themselves, they were protecting the people in the club (presumably all of whom were black). To say they don't value black life is wrong.
Joseph Guzman doesn't value black life.
Poisonshady313 3 years ago
Maybe he was drunk because you had to be crazy to play with cops in New York!
sweetismami28 3 years ago
Part1 so what you're saying is if we start showing the love as a community, things will change LOL! My brother you seem like you have a good hart. But this is the real world. Why do you think governments all over the world have some type of ghetto in there countries? Not all but most white people have a deep rooted complex when it comes to seeing black people doing well.
Vonvalson 3 years ago
Part2 Why was crack pushed in the ghettos? How comes it's so easy for blacks to get a gun when we don't make them? Why do white people buy out every major black company when it surpasses the 100 million mark?
Vonvalson 3 years ago
Part3 Why do the Jews run the music industry when they have never had a history being lovers of the music they sell to our kids? Some people would say black people need to stop blaming other people for there faults in life. I say some people should try being poor and black and living in this world! Peace!
Vonvalson 3 years ago
yes its true that the Black community needs to come together as a whole but if you are going to sit and make negative comments about the situation what are you doing but bringing down the community instead of finding a way to improve the community and yourself. These days everyone is out for number one and that's a shame. My point is take care of home first then worry about everyone else. be blessed
ToudyCat23 3 years ago
WTF! so in other words you agree with the way the police in New Orleans pulled their guns and shot at the people who were trying to get to safety? A lot of times when people bring light to a situation it is ignored unless it is all over the news. beside you don't need everyone else to make a case for you, do it yourself, I know of a family that got justice due to themselves, they stayed on the police and system to ensure they got justice. people need to stop waiting on others to do their work.
ToudyCat23 3 years ago
son need to wacth geeweev video....u ride for the system and not your own people, a murder is a murder regardless of who did it.
dont be an uncle Tom your not examining the situation throughly
apexx17 3 years ago
Don't mention that idiot on my videos please. Thank you.
I am not riding for any system. I said exactly what needed to be said. When you people start protesting "black on black" crime, the "system" will follow suit and respect a black man's life.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
1.hes not an idiot with all due respect.
the system was never created to follow suit or respect a black man's life, if that was the case slavery would have never occured.....nonetheless your still trying to justify the cops murdering an innocent person...
but tell me it was your friend right, so what did you do?
apexx17 3 years ago
You are kidding me, they knew they were wrong. If everyone know their wrong, why is it ok for them to walk free. Be easy...
miyeaj 3 years ago 2
You probably believe we shouldn't discuss Rodney King right? And that's why I made that comparison.
It is a sad thing when people(especially black) refuse social, political and moral injustices still present. That's the mentality of a housenigger(one that forgets, and reluctant to acknowledge the struggle)
im not trying to insult you, im making a political statment.
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emcays 3 years ago
Your argumnt has any holes in this sense: if there are 30,000 rape murders, YOU would argue that it would be wrong to show one of them on a larger scale(like sean bell). More in-depth and analytical.
You might be missing what I'm saying: I'm saying that Sean Bell's case was an injustice that deserved its attention regardless of other murders that occurred that day. Ill repeat: The police murdered someone, 50 shots.
emcays 3 years ago 2
your not making sense...
how do you compare police murdering someone, ---to someone murder someone---
Its the police firing 50 shots and killings somone..and ur saying it shouldnt be a big deal?
your mind is in the wrong place fam, you just sound like a housenigger.
1.
emcays 3 years ago
Comparing me to a "house nigger" will not advance this conversation.
I am not saying this shouldn't be a big deal. I am saying that their are a lot of other things that happen which are far worst than this and blacks do nothing about it. The only reason blacks are up in arms about this is because it was done by the police.
Check out my video on "Ramona Moore". Why didn't blacks make some noise over that?
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
are you black?
brwneyedbeatnik 3 years ago
I am an African living in the United States of America.
emcays 3 years ago
The reason Im OUTRAGED is because they CRUCIFIED
mike vick and made him look like a DEVIL
over DOGS
But when a black man, a human dies you want us to move on NEVER
bc006 3 years ago 2
---As a rule we hold the state to a higher standard than criminality. And so we should!!!!
IbnSheba 3 years ago
lol!! I agree 100%
ironman36 3 years ago
r u fuckin stupid what the fuck is wrong they were trigger happy pigs fuck u fuck ur life and stop making these fuckin vids
sadmouth 3 years ago
Angry much? :)
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
Well, sadmouth, TheDreamReborn was victimized by a black person and now he has an axe to grind. I deal with his kind on a daily basis. What happened to Bell was inexcusable and now they want us to believe that Sean Bell just went crazy for no reason and had to be put down. People like DreamReborn would take to that like a fish to water, but I know what really happened.
funkbrother216 3 years ago 2
If the police start killing all the drug dealers, what kind of society will we have?
saltheshoe 3 years ago
f off
perkinsantwone 3 years ago
...ok
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
The cops were 2 young black men and a young hispanic. The aquittal was due to a low value of black people's life, but the cops shot him because they were thugs themselves.
funkbrother216 3 years ago
Get your facts straight the cops shot him because he was coming at them full fucking speed what would you do if a car is coming full speed at you & you have a gun? What would you do throw your gun away & say please stop?
MalcomAP 3 years ago
Actually it's against police protocal to shoot at a moving vechile, despite what TV tells you. Look it up.
The reason being is because cops risk the chance at shooting blindly into a car that might be of an innocent (i.e. child, bystande). It's only allowable to shoot at tires, not the windshield. That alone the cops should have been found guilty of reckless endangerment.
This is something else police and news people seem to keep ignoring.
TM56 3 years ago
Despite what Tv tells me?? Who are you talking 2? I knew it was reckless endangerment because I have been to the site at where he was killed & as dream stated in his previous video to this one bullets were everywhere & I don't go to TV to get my facts I do my research & come to conclusions TV is the one portraying this man as a victim you need to look at this at both point of views & not just one & please don't tell me about the law thanks
MalcomAP 3 years ago
You must do some pretty shabby research because you failed to mention why Bell came at them with his car. It was because they blocked him in, drew their guns and shot at bell after starting an altercation with him. They never ID'd themselves as cops because they were not acting as cops. They were acting as trigger happy wanna be thugs. Again, nobody knew they were cops until they hid behind thier badges after the fact.
funkbrother216 3 years ago
OK tell me something new,,,,, they acted as ppl who were concerned about their lives which is a big difference from trigger happy
MalcomAP 3 years ago
They were not concerned for their lives. Bell was concerned for his. The cops blocked his car and shot at him out of anger. Bell, fearing for "his" life tried to break through that blockade and they killed him.
funkbrother216 3 years ago
Look at you making it seem like this was some type of novel you wrote how did you know all that unless you were one of the boys there or a eyewitness then speak your piece how can you possibly say they did it out of anger? Are you saying the cops are super human? So they just got mad & say fuck it I mean come on please make a relevant point because you sound really stupid (cops killed him out of Anger) Get the fuck out of here
MalcomAP 3 years ago
I agree that they were reckless, but without any law to prosecute them, they are "innocent". It is only police protocol. Nothing else.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
More bullshit from TheWetDreamReborn. The truth is, this didn't start off as a police matter. A group of dickless scrubs got jealous of the attention Sean Bell was getting from ladies in the club, so they started an altercation with him. They harrassed Bell all the way outside until Bell got in his car. They blocked bell's car, drew their guns and shot at him. Bell than tried to ram his way through and got hit with more bullets. They later ID's themselves as cops to hide behind their badges.
funkbrother216 3 years ago
Wow your ignorance amazes me
MalcomAP 3 years ago
So, why don't you give us your version of the story from start to finish.
funkbrother216 3 years ago
Damn, were you at the club or something? How do you know these SPECIFIC details?
MissLady212 3 years ago
and for tha ppl who feel a ricochet cant travel that far well look at this a bullet fired from my glock travels at 896ft per sec and max range of abt 26,000ft thats higher than wat choppers fly @ indeed ricochets slow bullets but only to maybe a max range of abt 20-22,000 ft thats still way further than a hlf a block and a bullet can slow its range even lower like 18,000ft but depends on tha ricochet but they will still travel far. so Id have to say its great they only went a half a block honest
Ceddy07 3 years ago
Its important to have an understandin of how laws are to be able to give tha right verdict. How many jurors would have been ballistic experts had they had a jury trial? How many jurors would have known tha science of bullets who would have had to come from tha hardest state to get a gun had they had a jury trial? this is why they chose a judge because can you prove that those bullets completely missed and hit something else? NO you can remember they fired upon a metal object...a car
Ceddy07 3 years ago
Im not a cop but havin a pistol permit they tell you talk to a lawyer abt whats a clean shoot and not and when you say they were reckless becuz bullets went everywhere listen to this if you have a knife and rob me for my chain I draw my weapon and fire a single shot but miss u n tha bullet his a girl and kills her thats reckless however same scenario I fire a single shot and the bullet hits ya cell phone ricochet's and kills that girl thats a tragic accident nothing criminal civil yes thats all!
Ceddy07 3 years ago
Dream you cant say the cops made bad judgement lets be real here man they were in this club not for them also thy didnt have guns or badges wit them in tha club since it had bouncers that were searchin ppl so ask yourself what made those cops get their guns and badges in tha 1st place? then wat made them focus on guzman? even after tha spanish detective was like "lemme holla at you for a sec" guzman got in tha car anyway so how did the cops use bad judgement? Thy believed a gun was there n fired
Ceddy07 3 years ago
which means if tha cop heard guzman make that statement then they followed, I mean remember they werent there for sean bell and his friends they didnt kno them so something had to be said to turn these cops attention to them. So they ask sean to stop as he is abt to pull off he doesnt heed the command guzman looks like he is reachin the cop doesnt actually see it but wit tha statement seans actions and now guzmans he believes there is a gun so he fires thats all he needs its a clean shoot by law
Ceddy07 3 years ago
I have a pistol permit so I am bound by the same guidlines as cops when it comes to deadly force. its important to also understand self defense laws ex. if me and another person are arguin and he gets in my face but doesnt strike me and I decide to hit him 1st that is still self defense on my part no where does tha law state you have to be hit 1st or fired upon 1st etc to defend yourself. Self defense laws are more abt perception than actual actions
Ceddy07 3 years ago
And for ppl who are still confused are you goin to tell me that 3 blk men from Qnz with criminal records were not aware who these 7 men all armed were? After all who were these kids? they werent celebs their parents werent politians or famous ppl since when have you heard of a group of 7 assasins rollin around nyc? you havent so even if law abidin citizens wouldnt have known who these guys were sean bell and his friends def did and they chose to keep goin when ordered to stop simple
Ceddy07 3 years ago
Also for those who dont think tha cops identified themselves its a known fact that minority cops are more likely to identify themselves as police than white cops as wht cops assume you kno they are police with that said are you tryin to tell me that out of 7 police who were there none said police? that doesnt make any sense witnesses to tha shootin said they didnt see badges on all but some were clear either around their neck or pinned to shirts or jackets
Ceddy07 3 years ago
Dream I love ya vids Im a big fan wit that said lemme clear some things up if I may I dont think its a matta of not valuin blk life as I do think they would have did this is a white town understand why they acted. They said they heard guzman say go get his gun or he was goin to get a gun they followed asked them to halt identifies themselves and thought guzman was reachin for a gun so they fired. that would have happened in any hood white or blk
Ceddy07 3 years ago
I could think of far worse things to complain and stress over rather than Sean Bell. Personally...i chose not to stress over every issue that comes up because i live at least once and i might as well be happy while i'm alive. Why stress so much over stuff like this and other things? It is important but dwelling on it all of the time only makes you miserable.
I chose not to live my life in pure misery like i did most of my life. Many people seem to prefer misery. Most if you ask me.
no1butmenotu 3 years ago
the law states police can't shoot at a moving vehicle.the law states the only shoot in a life or death situation. the law states if they do fire, it can only be 3 times then they must stop unless fired upon. That's the law & it was broken MORON. learn the facts before yo make videos . So we should stop taking about it right. I tell you what, it should have been you in that car. Then there would be nothing to talk about!!!!!
phantomenace2society 3 years ago
There is NO LAW saying a police officer can't shoot at a moving vehicle. It's police policy. NOT a law.
Learn the facts before you comment on my videos. Right now you look like a jackass.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
no your channel makes your look like a jackass.either way you should have been in that car. The shots fired went all the way to they airport an allmost killed a man it on video that's reckless endangerment thats a law also jack azz
phantomenace2society 3 years ago
The bullets did not go to the airport you jackass. A bullet went into a train station that takes you to the airport. If your dumb, simple, uneducated ass opened your fucking ears, you would have heard me say that the cops should have been convicted on the "reckless endangerment" charge.
I wish your moms was in the car with me you piece of shit.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
look everybody this person says its cool tho kill youngblack men.he is the man. what next Martin Luther king is a trouble maker I guess it was ok the kill him too or any other black man. Dude you a a discrace to the skin you wear. If that were you do you think your parents would be saying no laws were broken get real dude.
*The Phantom Mence 2 society is on your dumb black azz
phantomenace2society 3 years ago
Nice imagination you got there.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
to The Coon Reborn I did'nt even bother listenig to the rest of your dum azz coon video. One of the first things you said was No laws were broken.
I feel sorry for your Mother and why don't you show you ugly azz face.when You talk about somenes mother
phantomenace2society 3 years ago
You were wishing death upon me. Why is it wrong when I wish death upon that slut you call "mommy"?
When your narrow minded ass gets the courage to watch the rest of my video let me know.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
but ...no police shooting though ..so i guess its okay....disgusting......
soundboydead 3 years ago 2
hey some good news.. their were no nypd related shooting deaths since the Bell verdict..o yeah ..a black man was fatally shot yesterday on wyatt street by another black man during an argument...and in the bronx a group of black kids shot at another kid getting off a school bus wounding one kid critically....and surprise ..surprise even though people witnessed both shootings no one came forward..not even one of our'' hard working" black (activists)to condemn the events.
soundboydead 3 years ago 3
You're an [immigrant.] If your homeland was so just, you'd still be in Trinidad! You need to update your historical knowledge of American history! Step your game up and take off the black-robes already!
Steadno 3 years ago
Me being an immigrant doesn't erase the fact that black life has little to no value.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
Maybe in your eyes black life has no value...Just imagine if an American immigrated to Trinidad and started judging your people; would folks not be indignant?
Steadno 3 years ago
I value black life. Let's get that straight. My comments are based on observations of the lifestyle I am surrounded by here in NY.
Black man murders black man - no witnesses, no evidence, no protests - Killer goes free
White man murders white man - many witnesses, lots of evidence, no need for protests because justice will be served - Killer serves life in jail
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
I hear what you're saying but there is a difference. When black on black crime happens there is no big uproar 'cause it's so commonplace which is twisted in and of itself. Now when those who are hired to "protect and serve" do it it's the opposite of what they're supposed to do...and then to get away with it...man! Honestly though would you not be like wtf if I were to immigrate to Trinidad and start judging the citizens?
Steadno 3 years ago
"When black on black crime happens there is no big uproar 'cause it's so commonplace"
This only reinforces my statement.
"when those who are hired to "protect and serve" do it it's the opposite of what they're supposed to do"
Is it a black man's job to kill another black man? NO, so why isn't there any uproar over that?
You honestly don't want to hear what I have to say in regards to Trinidad and Tobago. Whatever you have to say probably wouldn't be as harsh as what I have to say.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
In regards to black on black crime you forgot "...which is twisted in and of itself," chopping quotes will get you nowhere. I think that clears up the notion that blacks are supposed to kill each other. The dichotomy is: cops are trained and hired to protect and serve and every day citizens, well we're unpredictable. As for your opinions on Trinidad, I'd like to hear what you have to say, that's your homeland...Peace!
Steadno 3 years ago
I didn't mean to misquote you bro. My comment still stands though.
"cops are trained and hired to protect and serve and every day citizens, well we're unpredictable"
As long as you aren't mentally ill, you should know right from wrong.
I will be making a separate channel for my Trinidad topics. I don't think much people would understand what I am talking about if I post them under this channel. I'll make sure to share it with everyone when I create it.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
youre an asshole and a stupid one at that.
tastysalad 3 years ago
The moral of this story is, even when you're having "fun" you need to be aware of what's going on around you. Clubs are so overrated; y'all better start thinking and realize nothing real good is poppin' at 4am.
NAB4 3 years ago 4
That's why they were on their way home. To get ready for a wedding.
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
Still @ 4am. I'm not saying it was right he died, but better decision making skills need to come in play. Even when you're having "fun". That's all I'm saying. He essentially died cause they thought it would be fun to see some naked girls before he got married. Sad.
NAB4 3 years ago
Right and whats the harm in that, none that I call recall. But for the cops to unload 50 shots, 50 shots, cmon thats excessive. You know how many times they had to reload?
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
Once.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
& thats one too many
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
You have to realize that there were 5 officers involved in the shooting. If ONE officer fired 50 bullets, then yes you can say that it was excessive force.
Detective Paul Headley fired one round, Officer Michael Carey fired three, Officer Marc Cooper fired four, Officer Gescard Isnora fired eleven, and veteran officer Michael Oliver emptied two full magazines, firing 31 shots from a 9mm handgun and pausing to reload at least once.
Officer Oliver was the only one to reload his weapon.
MissLady212 3 years ago
I understand that. & In fact, thats my point. An officer's job is to serve and protect the public, at their own life if necessary. Now Im not saying they dont have the right to use their guns to protect themselves but cops have always been too trigger happy with blacks, since way back in the day.
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
Not in this case. These cops (in my opinion) didn't see trigger happy. They had to make a fast decision in the matter of life or death. Although Sean Bell wasn't armed, waiting to see if he was, was a risk they were not willing to take.
Also, these cops never fired their guns before that night.
MissLady212 3 years ago
Like I said, thats their job. To a lesser degree ur argument can be used to prove why I have a hard time catching a cab. If its a cab drivers job to pick up fares, but for whatever reason they dont want to risk doing their job where Im concerned, thats prejudice. Every heard of dont fire until fired upon. They dont have the right to assume like that. Not when innocent lives cud be at stake.
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
They did have a right. Sean Bell's friend was heard saying "Yo go get my gun". Don't you think that would make any person assume something bad?
MissLady212 3 years ago
So they say. Do u think, in a situation like that, someone without a gun wud say go get my gun while in a confrontation with the cops? Nobody in their right mind wud provoke cops like that. C'mon.
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
LOL, no no no. It did not happen like that. The only confrontation they had with the police was when they were already in the car.
Secondly, there were other officers there investigating the club aside from the officers involved in the shooting. One of the officers already inside the club heard this and called for back-up. He feared there would be a shoot-out.
MissLady212 3 years ago
Guess he was right. But I still dont buy it was Sean's ppl that said it, but they got shot up anyway. wud u call that a good job the cops did?
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
As a police officer, if you hear someone claiming that they are going to get a gun, it's your duty to take action...as a law enforcer.
MissLady212 3 years ago
Yes. Frisk them, take the weapon, cuff them and arrest. Why wait til they leave the club, get into their car and shoot the shit out of them. Then find out they were unarmed. Ooops? Hell no!! Look u cant make this make sense to me becuz the cops over reacted - say it - over reacted. Thats all there is to say. Other than they got off for it.
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
Fine, you are welcomed to your opinion and I am welcomed to mine. I am not trying to deter you. You should at least try to understand where I'm coming from too. You don't have to agree, just UNDERSTAND, because I see your point too. I may not agree, but I understand it.
MissLady212 3 years ago
I do get where ur coming from, & its not right. Just like its not right for cops to shoot when they dont know if theres a threat. At least on the TV show Cops with the cameras on they wait to see whats what before they shoot. & no ones been shoot without real cause.
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
r u seriou show many fuckin clips did they have through one cop shot 41 times 41 Fuckin times he had to reload 3 times cuz there is 15 bullets in each clip....... 41 times thats all im sayin
sadmouth 3 years ago
41 times? :)
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
I DONT kno if its exactly 41 put the cop had to reload 3 times
sadmouth 3 years ago
"the cop had to reload 3 times"
You sure?
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
"I DONT kno ....." yes
sadmouth 3 years ago
This "at their own life" line is taking it a little too far. People expect cops to sacrifice themselves to protect civilians. There is no law or policy stating that they have to do this. It's entirely up to them to be heroes.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
No its not. Thats like saying a fireman has the right not to go into a burning building to save ppl. U saw what happened on 9/11, cops and firemen lost their lives to save civilians, becuz thats there job.
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
No, the same applies for firemen. They are not obligated to go into a burning building if they deem it to be too hazardous. In most situations, they end up going into the building anyway because this is what most of them became firemen for; to risk their lives to save others. They are in no way obligated to recklessly risk their lives though.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
& the same applies for cops at least they r supposed to. But it seems to me they do it to harass minorities & do the dirty work of the system.
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
Cops and Firemen were also told to evacuate the area by their superiors on 9/11. Most of them stayed because their emotions got the best of them.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
Either way, what they did on 9/11 was right, what they did to sean Bell was wrong.
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
I really have no problem with anyone going to see some naked chicks. MY problem is that he chose this bar to see naked chicks at. A bar known for crimes. He put himself in a bad situation when he chose to go there.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
But not from the cops. They're supposed to keep the peace, not help incite violence.
Childrenscneterh 3 years ago
whos talking about him? hes not reverend wright
mcalien24 3 years ago
bro I dnt even wanna look at the comments that ppl wud have left on ur page lol its only gonna distress me. I cudda sworn 2 of the cops were black. We dnt hear bout it much ova here.
mazzoan 3 years ago 4
More quality stuff from dream
tsakherkuum 3 years ago
shorty under me is way off topic wit dat bullshit she talkin
dizzmatic4 3 years ago
Who? Next time click "reply" so everyone knows who you are talking about.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
its not blacc or white its about these fuccin trigger happy ass cops
dizzmatic4 3 years ago
What are you basing your "trigger happy" remark on? These cops never discharged their weapons before that night.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
my cousin was killed by police. shot to the chest...no gun no nothin...fucc da police man.
dizzmatic4 3 years ago
"my cousin was killed by police. shot to the chest...no gun no nothin...fucc da police man."
My best friend was shot to death by a black man...no gun no nothing...fuck black people man.
You saw what I did there?
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
yeah i see it.
beserkanton 3 years ago 2
I hope he did too.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
He was NOT shot 50 times. Why do people keep saying that? He was shot 4 times!
Secondly, stop making this such a big racial issue because THREE of the FIVE officers were BLACK!
MissLady212 3 years ago
Also, everyone is saying that he was "overkilled". I don't think there is a limit on how many times a person can be shot or shot at, although 50 shots is rather plentiful.
Besides, I don't think a person can be charged with "overkill or excessive kill".
This is not a justification of his death...BTW.
MissLady212 3 years ago
This same situation happened in Compton when a man was fleeing from the police. The Sheriffs boxed him in and as he attempted to run over a police vehicle in reverse and not an officer, the officer shot at the driver. Then another officer heard the shots and fired back into the car also so pretty much the officers were shooting at each other. They shot into homes mind you over 200 times and did not hit the perp once! He was grazed a bit but that about it!
What law did Sean Bell break?
WattsFlyyest 3 years ago
None.
What laws did the police break?
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
In a civil case I can name a few laws that were broken! Those cops should feel lucky that their trial was a judge and not a Jury trial! Had it been a jury trial they would have been hanging from their balls with lies about why they shot into the car but unfortunately we will never know why they did it. So criminally without the ability to cross examine their statements as to why they shot into the car, I have no case! All I have is police officers murdering unarmed men and getting away with it!
WattsFlyyest 3 years ago
WOW! Excellent video...finally someone with some common sense on this topic.
I know you must be receiving a lot of hate for this video though. People need to also take into account ALL the details of what happened and examine the laws and charges.
Another thing about the city system...they frown on putting police officers in jail for doing their job. And in this case...that's what they were doing.
Great video!
KimOsh72 3 years ago 2
May Sean rest in peace! This is really a very sad situation all the way around.
KimOsh72 3 years ago 4
...and that's all that it is. A sad situation all the way around.
I wish the people spending their energy attacking me instead of my opinion could explain to me what laws these officers broke except for maybe reckless endangerment.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
There would most assuredly be outrage if
2 black cops shot 50 bullets to kill a white man before his wedding!
Over kill sounds like the point. There are people who look ,sound less benign than Al Sharpton in the law that are corrupt like Alberto Gonzales
and Spitzer NY attorney.They had the ability
to railroad ANYONE. So you didn't make some
noise about your friend.Don't blame a grieving
fiance and family prepared for a wedding for feeling her lose. Or ,challenging the incident.
Frnlam 3 years ago
Of course their would be outrage if cops killed a white man. As I said in the video, a black man's life is of no value to many people.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
I did make noise for my friend. you just didn't hear it because I was the only one making noise. I didn't have the support of the black community behind me since a cop wasn't the murderer.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
I can see your point in this video, however i totally disagree with you. Police brutality is when police are shooting at a unarm man.
urfuturewifey81 3 years ago
Police brutality is the intentional use of excessive physical force by a police officer, prison officer or other law enforcement officer.
This is not a case of "police brutality" because the police did not intend on using excessive force when they were investigating Sean Bell and company. They believed that they were under threat, so they responded accordingly.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
Wifey81 - Was he armed or was he fleeing from plain-clothed armed men that may or may not have been undercover police officers? I dont know about you but if a man is walking torwards my car with a gun in hand I am not stopping! Self-preservation would be the only thing on my mind at that time! Would you allow men in plain clothes to stop you while your driving, oh Im sorry ARMED MEN?
WattsFlyyest 3 years ago
Good Video.
WillyWill76 3 years ago 2
The last part of my argument that couldnt fit
So that we will not be as anti establishment going into the future when this shit happens it weakens peoples faith in the system and furthers the problem.
And dont get me wrong yes i do blame us also we gotta stand up and do somethin if things are gonna change.
bigtyma01 3 years ago
"If you don't understand [the system] of White Supremacy everything else will confuse you."
ZINCONETNG 3 years ago
As long as law enforcement officers misuse their firearms,we'll keep talking about it.
It's a mindset that killed Sean Bell.The police are not there to protect your rights,they are the enforcement arm of the Government .When Government is out of control,the people have not only the right to speak on it,but a duty.
Yes, they broke a law,which is why they chose a judge,instead of a jury.Fraternities of power always side with each other.
AuroraKismet 3 years ago
Dont shoot the messenger. And in case u need a reminder theyve been lynchin black people for centuries before hip hop. You ask what that has to do with now but it helps lead a people to be socialized into being anti establishment if they look around and see the system killin their people. Maybe that is y we should protest to make the system accountable to us as well.
bigtyma01 3 years ago
Who has been financialy backing our destruction from cia coke imports to watering down hip hop? it happend with jazz soul and rock also if u need a clue. Are cops beatin up on theese skateboard punks that say FTP too/ because if u bring up hip hop culture to show how we repreesent ourselves there are other races who act anti-establishment also but do they recieve they same violence. I like people who like to blane hip hop for black peoples problems as if the problems didnt exist before the music
bigtyma01 3 years ago
Dont give them a pass for being pus-sies and a using shoot first ask questions last mindframe. Cops get respect for being courageous members of society protecting the peace. If theese guys are to pus-sy to inspect wats going on before they start shooting they should not be officers.
About Hip-Hop culture if u dont realize the wattering down of the message in rap have contiued as it has become more mainstream and more money has been poured into it where is that money coming from?
bigtyma01 3 years ago
I agree with your point about respet yourself so others will respect you.
But this is not a case of police brutality?
We gotta learn the laws so they cant keep doin this because im not sure about new york but in many states the cops are not supposed to fire one shot before a suspects gun is drwan and it is seen that the supsect has the intention to shoot. Now following that law if no gun was found at the scene how can they of been justified to start shooting.
bigtyma01 3 years ago
Nice to see you deleted my comments. But my points remain known to you.
And furthermore how is Rodney King an example of police brutality and Sean Bell not??
Please explain your logic sir?
Azania101 3 years ago
I haven't deleted any comments. Stop jumping to BS conclusions.
They used excessive force based on the colour of Rodney's skin and they did not in the case of Mr. Bell.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
Yes, me too. This was just way too much for the average mind to comprehend I guess.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
Its funny Al Sharpton is ALWAYS there for things like this but seldom addresses BLACK ON BLACK crime.
If I ever get in trouble I don't him on my side.
LeonWestbrook 3 years ago 6
Black on black crime is considered "normal" which is why Al Sharpton doesnt feel the need to address it.
Blacks can kill each other day after day and Mr. Sharpton will always find a way to blame the white man.
MissLady212 3 years ago 5
Yes we still need to discuss this.
A tragedy that should never occur
again.
Why don't Black officers make mistakes
a shoot white citizens is a question
Black folks need to ask?
xXNubianQueenXx 3 years ago 3
Exactly!!!
Anyone willing to come forward and answer this gem of a question?
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
I know how blacks are treated in America also but you can't put all the blame on the system. In my five years in this country, I have suffered more injustices by black people, than police officers. I have never had any run ins with the police actually.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
They were serving and protecting. They did not shoot because they felt to. They shot because they believed that they were under threat. I believe it's safe to say that these officers were not looking for a "nigger" to kill that night. I do not fear being the next victim of a police error more than I fear being the victim of black on black crime. I am from the twin island Caribbean country of Trinidad and Tobago, now residing in NYC.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
this video is on point. the truth will hurt some people though.
think4yourself9 3 years ago 2
It always does.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
wow ...this is most level headed video that was made since the verdict.....no protest for black on black crime, if Bell was shot by another black man the stop snitching campaign would,ve been in effect by j guzman and the other.......but because its the police...all hell breaks loose sad sad sad im sorry for our black generation......excellent video man.......thanks
soundboydead 3 years ago 4
If you want to get away with murder all you have to do is be black and murder another black. After that, you are granted automatic immunity by the black community and the cops don't give a fuck because you are not a threat to them.
Until black life is valued by blacks, police errors will only increase.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
I love your comment.
MissLady212 3 years ago 3
When are people going to realize that the "Stop Snitching" movement is hurting the Black community more than anything.
People claiming they didn't see a certain crime take place is just giving criminals power and the ability to commit future crimes.
In this situation, race shouldn't even play a factor because there were Black officers involved. Rodney King's situation was definitely racist, but I don't see racism playing a role in this case.
MissLady212 3 years ago 3
Man, I know you going to get Hate Mail.
First of all thank you for making this video. I agree with you when you said you don't want Al S. to come and help you, I said the same-thing, everything he touch never really works out the way it should, only thing good to have him on your side is the Media will hear about it, and that's it!!!! As far as Sean goes yeah the cops should had been charged with recklessness for shooting hims 50 times, which I don't think all 50 bullets went into his body.
sexysyfy 3 years ago 2
Sean Bell was shot 50 times and that aint police brutality???
Fuck you man.. For real.. Fuck you straight to hell.
He was shot 50 times and that aint as bad as Rodney King??
Fuck you you fucked up piece of shit!
Getting me heated man DAMN!
Ignorance is fucked
Azania101 3 years ago
...you done here?
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
Na look man, fuckin open your eyes. They shot him 50 times and one of the officers even had reload. Are you telling me no law was broken when the man was not even armed??
And its not about a cop killing a black man, its about police brutality period. How many more Sean Bells need to take place before you feel it is a big deal in your eyes??
FUCK OFF!
Azania101 3 years ago
Yes, until bad judgment is against the law, no law was broken except for maybe reckless endangerment.
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
How many more violent black on black crimes need to take place before it's a big deal in your eyes?
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
Blacks are tired of cops killing blacks and getting away with it. Blacks are tired of blacks killing each other. Blacks are protesting against both of the things I stated. Al Sharpton is not that bad like ya'll make him out to be, he's very smart and makes alot of sense if yall take the time out to listen to him.
EastAtlantaboy3 3 years ago
I kind of agree with this video,but doesn't take away how those pigs gunned down sean bell.
Nyfittedboi 3 years ago
man this is awesome
once again ur 1 of the only people who speck's truth/fact's when people r 2 foolish 2 see it 4 themself's
snake3000 3 years ago 2
I'm different because I'm not judging the situation your judging the situation what I'm saying is look at it from the cops eye view as well & not only the victims if you look at it from only the victims then your no different from the so-called unfair verdict
MalcomAP 3 years ago 3
No I don't know what its like being a officer thats why I'm not jumping to conclusions like you people
MalcomAP 3 years ago 2
Your comments posted are conclusions of your opinions. I fail to see how you differ from me. Enlighten me if you will...
Quelz617 3 years ago
ooh a lot of controversy on this video.
whitney8612 3 years ago 2
...and I expect a lot on your latest video too. LOL
TheDreamReborn 3 years ago
lmao.. shhh don't tell nobody! haha
whitney8612 3 years ago