I believe that it is child abuse to teach any child that they might be tortured forever in hell, or that anyone else might be tortured forever in hell.
I was raised by a man who never missed an opportunity to tell me i was a piece of shit, i am 56 years old, it still effects me, teaching children religion is just as bad, religion tells children they are bad no matter what they do and they need to god to forgive them for being evil... infuriating...
It is unfortunate that there are people who make hurtful choices. I myself was abondoned by my biofather. Instead of letting his choice to leave have lasting affect on me, the Lord helps me to forgive him. He helps me see that if it wasn't for him I would not be born, that if he hadn't left, i would have never had a wonderful role model like my adopted father.
I agree with description of harm of "religion" , but Jesus long for relationship. Ur in my prayers.
Imposing their beliefs on a child when they are most receptive to dogmas whether they are right or not, is wrong. If they are wrong, then I agree it is child abuse. because it affects them their entire life. And if the dogma is right, then there should be no problem in letting them grow up and find out themselves. let children be children. They shouldn't be forced to pray or go to church. they should choose so themselves.
-I don't ever recall being called a reverend. I'm not boasting that i'm some special, chosen person, I made a choice to accept Jesus as my Lord and savior.
- It's not my place to save you, as previouly discussed it is God. I came to your channel because I care and want to encourage you. I want to foster a fellowship with you. That God longs to wrap his arms around you and care for you if you would only let Him.
@RightouesPath2011 I can only say your heart (there's that metaphor again) is in the right place. If you are a minister, but don't go by "Reverend," I both apologize and commend you for unusual humility from the priestly class. I had three preachers in my extended family, none of whom accepted the title Reverend. In my opinion, that may be the only thing they got right, but we don't need to go there. Now that I think of it, they chose to be called Mr., which, if memory serves (cont.)
(cont.) . . . is derived from the word "master." I'm sure that didn't occur to them. My grandfather (preacher #1) used to decry the use of the term "maestro" for a conductor, because he said the only proper master was the lord, in one or another of his three persons. It's too bad that our culture uses the word "reverend" as a title when it is really just an adjective. And it's too bad that so many preachers accept the word as a title for themselves.
i guess if the same people that taught you to wipe your butt and tie your shoes teaches you about religion is harder to disbelieve i mean in parents were right about tying shoes and wiping butts theyCAN'T be wrong about religion! It is a "Are you calling my parents liars?" thing i think for lots of people.
Teaching of religion is child abuse I agree.It kills peoples individuality,and they think in bible quotes.They may have other interests and for some the brainwashing doesnt stick.
Those people get to hear fun things like you are going to hell. ya kids really want to go around warning people of hell.
The internet destroyed religion. a casual observer can tell stuff like prayer is fake....unless religions have been praying for Atheism to grow. im sure its been prayed and its not working.
I'm not saying that my mind is not affected because it is, along with all of my body, but my heart is where it orginates and it get my whole body going especially when it come to Love. If thats not how you feel about it then I'll respect your scientific choice.
The Bible confuses those who think themselves wise and clever. The Gods word becomes clear when we are childlike- humbly open to recieve the truth of God's word.
28 And this is what he said to all humanity: 'The fear of the Lord is true wisdom; to forsake evil is understanding.'.. I have a question, what is your take on 'The fear of the Lord'? I ask because you compared it to Mr Russels quote of conquering fear.
@RightouesPath2011 The point was, I thought, rather obvious. The bible inculcates fear throughout, but science is fearless. I know the bible says perfect love casts out fear, but I don't think fear and love can be held at the same time for the same person. The bible COMMANDS you to love god, and threatens damnation if you do not. Love is something that is given freely.
Your comparison of (fear) in that Scripture and Mr Russell differs from mine. Russell is using fear as a negative sensation induced by a percieved threat. The fear of the Lord to a believer mean to have respect and reverence for God and to be in awe of his majesty and power...the starting point of real wisdom.
The Bible does not COMMAND you to love God. It is a choice your freely make yourself..reguardless of threats of damnation. I agree Love is something your give freely.
@RightouesPath2011 Deuteronomy 6:5 "And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." "Thou shalt" is not a suggestion or a desire, but a command. "You WILL love me . . . or else." And, yes, I know it says love with "all thine heart." This was written by the same people who thought the sun revolved around the earth and that snakes could walk and talk.
Respect, as you describe it, is the kind I give to a rattlesnake or a black widow spider.
..It is also accepted freely, and that is the grace that our heavenly Father give us, through his only Son Christ Jesus, we just have to eithier accept Him or not. We have freedom to make choice.. who to love, what to believe, what to eat etc etc.... but what we don't have freedom over is the consequences of our choices.
@RightouesPath2011 That also is false. You say we have the freedom to choose, but JOHN 6:44 says, "No man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day." The choice was made before we were born; who would accept and believe and who would not. I'm sure you will explain this away also. It's easy to ignore whatever doesn't fit with your desire to believe. I guess you've been "drawn." Good for you.
- I urge you to discern my every word because it seems you have set up the comment for more questioning and I am greatful for this. The words i want to emphasize is 'draw him'.. God, not people, plays the active role in salvation. When someone chooses to believe in Jesus Christ as Savior, he or she does only in response to the urging of God's Holy Spirit. God does the urging; then we decide wether or not to believe, Thus, no one can believe in Jesus without God's help.
@RightouesPath2011 My point exactly. Only the elect may enter the kingdom. And the elect were chosen before time. Good for you if you think you are one of them, but MOST people who ever lived will be left out, according to your mythology, and will not only be destroyed by fire, but tortured forever, depending on which scriptures you choose. That billions were culled, destined for hell before they were ever conceived makes the one who ordained all that a monster. The whole idea stinks. (cont.)
(cont.) No matter how liberally you slather on the holy oil, you can't get rid of the stench of it. It reeks to (dare I say it?) high heaven. I guess I can refer to heaven "metaphorically" as you do to heart. I noticed in your channel comments someone called you Rev. Are you a minister, come to my channel to save me? I'm afraid you've wasted your time.
Incidentally, no one in the New Testament ever referred to Jesus as Reverend. They called him Rabbi (teacher). How do you rate a fancier title?
You see you focus so much on the God's Law that you miss Jesus. The Law is put in place within us to show us that we are all sinners, without the Law there is no sin. But God in his grace gave us Jesus to rescue us from our sinful nature. To show us a blue print for living righteous. To focus on the Law is a DEMAND I agree "Thou shalt". It was before Jesus. He was sent, he serves, he saves, he forgive.....SUPPLY. It;s a full circle friend and it all part of his perfect plan.
@RightouesPath2011 What you are pleased to call respect, as that for your god, is exactly the kind of respect demanded by gang bangers, and it is gotten the same way . . . by fear.
If my explination was not clear on the difference in the the 'fear of the Lord' and Mr Russell 'fear' You are entitled to your opinions. that is why I finished Job 28:28 for you to FORSAKE EVIL is understanding.. If your implying "gangbangers" use your meaning of fear... that would be considered evil.
- I am glad that you read scriptures, but to understand it you must have a humble heart.
Unfortunately there is no clear way to save young minds before the dogma gets to them. When I was in preschool (a religious one at that), I believed in god... but when I learned the truth about Santa (I was 6), i questioned why we never went to church, and I had my answers. Many kids are not born with the nature to question things, and many parents are not as honest or affluent as mine. The sad reality is that Christianity will not die off soon...
It is a touchy subject indeed but you have some pretty firm foundations on which to call it abuse. I don't think ALL religious upbringings are abusive by this measure however, although if you included 'teaching fallacies' it would include virtually all of them.
Personally, what I find immoral about religious upbringing is the attitude that many religious people take that it is their right as parents (no further thought needed). That is more repugnant than many of the actual practices involved.
teaching children anything can be argued to be abuse. no matter what humans are proponents of is a gross deviation from nature which will result in trauma and alienation. having children is abuse if anything is.
Good points. My parents were atheists and didn't want them to make decisions for me me and my siblings. When each of us was 8 my Dad brought us to several christian denomination Churches, Catholic, Anglican, Babtist etc. We had to complete10 weeks in the Sunday schools offered by churches. My parents tried, non cynically help us understand Christianity. Guess what? Non of stories made any sense ... to eight year olds.
Every person believes different things to be good/bad. Parents always teach children what they believe to be useful in life. EVERYTHING a person becomes never comes from within the person him/herself, there is no right way.
@KainSlash True that. I come from a very religious family, and one day, in church classes, when I was a kid, I just thought "Why am I here? What's the point?" To today I'm a non believer. I'll raise my children according to what I "know", but if they take different paths later on, I'll respect and love them equally... If only my family was like that...
Telling a child that they will be tortured for ever if they don't believe what some mentally deficient sociopathic bogoted and evil little men wrote 2000 years ago is deffinately child abuse. To force this oppressive dogma on anyone, especially children, should be illegal. The biblical god condones rape, slavery, murder and genocide... Christianity is not the way to find a good moral or ethical base. It teaches hatred, bigotry and intollerance. Those who follow blindly shall be led astray.
It reminds me of this story in the news years ago where these two young boys were kicked out of their scout troup for omitting the word "god" when reciting the pledge of allegiance. The father was a lawyer who vowed to sue the troup, while the mother was a teacher. Although the father held one religous belief, and the mother a different one, they fully supported their kids' Atheist beliefs. I remember being impressed how the parents clearly never imposed their views on their kids.
I respect your view point of needing real proof God exist. My question to you then is this. You want proof and evidence? what would you do if you had it? What then? Only then would you care? only then would you accept him? think about this , has it ever occurred to you that the worst thing God our Father could do is give us everything that we want?
@RightouesPath2011 If the god of the old and new testaments could be proven to me I would nevertheless reject him. If you actually read the bible you should be able to see, if your mind is unclouded by apologetics, that that god is a monster. My opinion, of course. You don't HAVE to believe it. But if I could have taught you that when you were a child, as if it were a fact and not an opinion, you would believe it. Teaching a child that some people believe in god and some do not, and (cont.)
@RightouesPath2011 (cont.) reserving the conclusion for when the child has reached the age of reason and can read the bible for him/herself is correct. Telling a child that s/he MUST believe a particular god (or any god) or be burned forever is child abuse, in my opinion.
I also offer to help needs you might have when it comes to understanding Christianity. It is always open and you are always welcome to ask. May your days be joyful and blessed.
My relationship with Jesus is strong. I have faith that he will guide me in a righteous way. My life hasn't never been better. not to say there hasn't been hardships but i know that I can always lean on Jesus to help me when I don't understand or feel lost and alone. This is the wonderful thing behind prayer.... God doesn't provide us what we want but rather what we need. I just want to share this with you. because it takes courage to share personal experiences & yours urged me to do the same.
@RightouesPath2011 You have an interesting choice of quotes on your channel. Proverbs 3:5-6. "5) Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.6) In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Allow me to translate: "Don't think. The brain I gave you was just to keep your ears apart. Just believe what your pastor tells you, but for heaven's sake DON'T THINK!" (YHVH)
Thanks for your input, sir. But your forgot to translate what the heart is doing. The Lord allows me to disern accordingly. False teaching is easliy detected. Easy as identifying a tree by the fruit it bears. Peace and God bless to you.
@RightouesPath2011 The heart is just a pump. If you mean brain, that's another and individual matter. No two brains think exactly alike, or so it would seem. Identifying a tree by the fruit it bears is logical. But trees produce fruit of only one kind each. Christianity seems to produce both good and bad people. Some 85% of the 2 million plus people in American prisons identify themselves as Christians. Most Christians are good. Obviously there is more than one kind of fruit on that tree.
Let me ask you this, have you ever been in love? have you ever had your heart broken? have you ever felt true joy? These are feelings that I feel come directly from my heart. I can't control you feelings on this matter but to me the heart is much more than a pump.
-I agree no two minds think exactly alike. That is why the Bible is important. Its for teaching, for reproof and for correction. The Bible never changes, the way humans think does. Have a wonderful day, God bless
@RightouesPath2011 Yes, I have experienced all of those feelings. They came from my mind. You can use the word "heart" metaphorically if you like, but if you think emotion actually resides in your blood pump you have serious problems with reality.
The bible only confuses, because it is so easy to interpret in different ways. It is rarely, if ever direct and unambiguous. So it is not a good instrument of reproof and correction. That it never changes is not it's glory, but it's greatest fault.
If being called an idiot because I am unshakable to my faith in My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.....thank you. Thank you for helping me increase my faith in Him even more. I pray that He blesses you with His unfailing Love. Have a joyful and blessed holiday season.
I was starting to look at UFOs to come and save us.. i know insane right?
It came to a halt one night in early June when a visited a dear friends youtube site. It was so clear almost like God urged me to do it and through his youtube and website Parcelesus2012. It wasn't the website that saved me, It was God. I started to realize that I misunderstood so much because i got caught up in worldly thing and hardened my heart. the next day I was born again, not in a church but on my couch looking up.
I recently recommitted to my Faith after a 3 months of despair and depression. I was looking at our would today and everything that is going on around us. Wars, reccesion just the lack of Love and respect for one another, tried to seek Salvation through worldly things. Donated money to presidential candiates, only to be slammed by some scandal. the more i searched the farther down the rabbit hole I went. I got more paranoid. Felt SO far away from my Wife and Kids.
fuck yes its child abuse, and brain washing, STRAIGHT UP BRAIN WASHING, fucking makes me sick. there is no all power super mega being that can create whatever the fuck he wants when he wants, knows everything about everyone and watches/knows what we do 24/7.. you wanna know what happens when you die? samething that happens when a machine turns off. nothingness.
You get a thumbs up from me. However religion can be taught without dogma. The major world religions in their form 200 years ago certainly would be a problem in conjunction with modern technology. Anti-religion and anti-supernatural and anti-spiritual I feel can also be child abuse however because I have read(and agree based on experience and observance) that human beings have a natural desire for individuation and the only way to come to that is through something like religion.
id prefer to learn my child religion rather than them bein brainwashed by the satanic society we live in..its al a set up because the end is near and they want as many non believers as possible so satan will excell...its thru r television the media songs lol the illuminati would crash to the ground if people woke up
I think parents should just teach their kids how to be good, honest, hard working, caring adults because that is the way we should all be anyway - not just because we'll go to hell if we don't follow certain "rules". On the other hand, when a child is young, it's nice for them to think there is somewhere to go when we die to make the thought of death less traumatic for them. I'm not religious but I tell my daughter that all good people go to heaven - but it stops there!
couldn't agree more with this guy. i consider myself a recovering christian, eight years after becoming an atheist. i think it's correct that the shame, guilt, and paranoia associated with strict religious upbringing becomes buried in the subconscious and is difficult to shake. good observation on the "intent" aspect as well...my parents are unaware of my feelings on this, i don't tell them because i know they would genuinely feel bad about it and they meant no harm at all
If a parent teaches a child about religion it's no where close to child abuse and I hope it never will be (My religion has helped me get past many hard times and I'll teach that to my kid no matter what any one says)
@Rarelylucky19 It's indoctrination that does the harm. Teaching kids HOW to think is a good thing, but teaching them WHAT to think is not. I don't propose here taking away anybody's religion. I only suggest that the teaching of it should wait until critical thinking has been developed. Telling a 20 year old what you think is one thing. Telling a 2 year old what he MUST think is wrong. That's indoctrination and it's abusive no matter who does it.
@Largo64 so indoctrination is abusive, but smoking around children, feeding them to much, and yelling isnt? Come on dude, lets use some common sense. Harm is a part of life, learning how to handle it is called maturing. There is a very obvious line between corporal punishment and beating a kid with a 2 by 4. They both cause harm, but your defintion of child abuse is to damn broad. By your thinking hitting a kid on the hand is abusive. Teaching a language is abusive, teaching a culture is abisive
@Largo64 teaching polictics is abusive. Just teaching socialization in essence is abusive. This is rediculas. Indoctrination is simply a form of teaching, by definition it is forced and serves the purpose of continuing the system. What you do with what you learn as you mature is your decision, but thier is no evidence that it halts the ability to think critically,damages the phyche, or traps them in the dogma for eternity.
And your reasons for harm dont add up either. confusion? guilt?-
@Largo64 repress critical thinking? "anything that makes the mind work less well, or causes emotional pain may be characterized as harm" therefore its abuse? Despite having no evidence that religion causes or is the sole cause for ANY of that, by that logic i can characterize the teaching of American culture and it's superiority complex and lies, half truths, and failing education system (all thanks to the gov) as abusive on a GLOBAL scale. That is really stretching the dfinition of child abuse-
@Largo64 to emcompass teachings you simply don't agree with. Intelligence, critical thinking, questioning things is generally an environment and genetic phenominon. It has nothing to do with whether or not you beleive in a god. Education (particularly college education) is more correalated with your critical thinking "hypothesis" than religion or any other dogma that you dont agree with.Just because a few children can not seem to cope with being athiest coming out of a christian home, does not-
@Largo64 constitute as abuse 20 years down the road. Argue that to a judge. "My parents absubed me because i grew up christian. Now that im 20 i see they are wrong, but thier teachings are still stuck in my head because i can not fully beleive there is no God and it's their fault." That's the America way for sure, blame your own intellectual failures on somebody else-as a grown man no doubt.. While you are at it, commit a crime and say it's your parents fault for raising you this way.
@Largo64 It's a little bit of a straw man arguement, but you get my point. It wont hold up in court because it's rediculas and any amount of socialization (even teaching a language) could be characterized in the same way with such broad and ambiguous logic. The whole religion is child abuse arguement is another one of America's infamous double standards based around media negative perceptions (which ironicaly promote the type of "dogma" and "sheep" following you claim religion does) by which-
@Largo64 intellectualy stomps Americans into not being able to tell the difference between subjective and objective analyst. Thus making them less likely to think for themselves and is how words like brainwashing,indoctrination, and socialization get different meanings based on what is socialy acceptable rather than what they really are. Besides, not all children turn out like some emo guy who has lost himself and is bitter about their upbringing. Some turn out just fine in religious householdes
@Largo64 and keep the faith and develop critical thinking, particularly when they pursue high education, including earning doctorits. So there are some other factors you are missing in your analysist, or simply ignoring as they would debunk your entire arguement. So no, religious teaching, indoctrination, socialization, brainwashing, what ever is just a form of learning. It is not abusive just because you dont agree with it. And your personal confusion, guilt and other emo issues that arise from
@Largo64 prior to or after such learning may be the cause of your rejection of faith, lack of critical thinking, loss of self ,or perhaps just self esteem issues. Its just called growing up and maturing. Not abuse 60 yrs ago now coming into fruitation. So your parents were wrong or didn't have all of the answers, whoopy do? Who does? Now all of a sudden it's abuse for not being a perfect parent? My mother wasn't perfect either, but i dont blame her for my own failures.
@Rarelylucky19 well you doing that takes away your childs freedom and reason also ability to think in some ways and taking those away is guess what........a form of facism
@Rarelylucky19 I don't object to teaching "about" religion. It is dogmatism, which is found in most religious teaching, that I object to. That is where the abuse comes from. Children can lean on their parents for the support to get past "hard times." But adults function better when they make a choice not born of fear of its opposite.
Well said! Obviously, many who push their religion on their kids believe that they are doing good. Religion is toxic and a form of brain washing and, until it is seen in this light, I fear it will never be seen as child abuse.
I wished I had read this in 2000 when I was still a child. For me religion slowed down my development. Or rather, it left me less emotionally secure to face life's harsh realities bravely. To this day my subconscious on a deep level still clings to my past religious beliefs.. and to be frank, it haunts me to this day and damages my relationships with others and my ability to stomach life's harsh realities. In short, I wish I was free from this bondage.
@EllyMcCormack You can free yourself to a large degree from now on, but I can't say the pang of fear deeply ground into the subconscious will ever go away entirely. I would recommend Robert G. Ingersoll's essays and speeches on religious skepticism, and more recently Christopher Hitchins' "God Is Not Great." The former is available on CD through The Bank Of Knowledge (and probably Amazon). The latter is still in any bookstore. Good luck in your journey.
I am truly sorry for your hardships in life. Religion can do that, now if you look at Christianity as a relationship with Jesus you might have a different view. I know what it is like to despise religion. But I truly encourage you to have open mind about relationship. But also If life is good right now, i'll pray it stay that way and may you have many more. Peace and God bless
@RightouesPath2011 Your predatory proselytising cannot be a substitute for a rational argument over the value of religion. The comment I left to Largo was just honesty, it wasn't a display of someone vulnerable to your nonsense. I need evidence before I subscribe to anything -that is a healthy way to live life rather than trying to fit my own being, my own identity in what is a idiotic, primitive group of writings we call the Gospels.
I'm sorry if you take offense Appearing predatory was not my intent whatsoever. I value your honesty It was the reason why I commented and shared my own past with reguards to religion. I know what its like when my subconscience takes over me due to my misunderstanding in My Faith. I use to be Catholic, I can remember the priest preach Sins will lead you to burning to hell. It scared me. Made me despise religion. I to began a personal exploration of how the world works for 18 yr
@RightouesPath2011 It doesn't appear that way, it is that way. If you want to help us, find a cure for cancer or invent a new kind of dish washer that is smaller than a washing machine. If Christianity doesn't make you strive to create real positive outcomes for the meek of society, if it teaches you that prayer alone is what people in dire straits really require - then it's false beliefs that are causing you to not only be afraid, but also to be less than you could be, & less than you are.
I understand where you are coming from you seem to have a good heart. You want to somehow provide peace for all. Very noble and commendable. Prayer is just another word without Faith. God provides us with what we need when we ask and not what we want.
@RightouesPath2011 So when your imaginary friend lets children starve in Somalia, it's because they only want food and they don't need it enough? You're trying to fit the world into your ideology by putting us in two groups: those you claim need prayers answered and those who only 'want' them answered -unfortunately reality reveals your beliefs to be nothing more than a poor, weak attempt to explain why people suffer despite your conviction in a loving God.
As human beings we can't help everyone, but I know numerous churches who do missionary work in less fortunate countries, and spread the gospel. thier Faith teaches them to be giving, caring and to have sympathy for those need. To me these are prayers answered, when i see selflessness like this. When I have faith i know God is working. It is impossible to see it happen if you don't have faith in him. I encourage you to use that gift of discernment you have. It will save u. peace
@RightouesPath2011 "It is impossible to see it happen if you don't have faith in him." I can only appreciate the rationale of your argument if I believe in your argument in the first place? That's ridiculous. If you used that line in any other instance other than the topic of religion, people would call you, quite rightly, an asshole. " I know numerous churches who do missionary work in less fortunate countries, and spread the gospel." people in these poor countries are usually already dogmatic.
Is there anything else I can try to answer for you? I will do my best. My channel box is always open for discussion and you are always welcome. peace and God bless
@RightouesPath2011 Actually, I wasn't asking you any questions, you're not an internet missionary. I was commenting on all these claims you've made with absolutely no evidence. Since you can't provide any evidence or clout substantiating your own beliefs, they're just as valid as those catholic beliefs you strongly disagree with. The difference between you and me is, I don't have any favouritism for one dogma over another. To me I accept that they're equals in their mediocrity.
@AndrewPPalmer Well now, Mr. Palmer, you've exposed yourself as a troll. I answered your previous insult on another video calmly and without anger. I'm not angry now, either, but I don't tolerate trolls. It's a pity that a man of fifty years can't make an argument, but has to rely on verbal abuse. You are blocked hereafter. Bye!
@Largo64 Religion is of want. If you don't want to be a Christian or a Jew or any other religion. It is our descision in life. In my oppinion God is real and that I shall not bow down before any other. Atheism is Satan at work, turning you to live with him in hell and I cannot belive that you wasted your time making a video that can be seen by children. I have prayed for you in hope that God will save you from this life of tourture. You cannot put up an argument, any responses I will mark SPAM.
@jakescomputer42 Thanks for your prayers, I guess. But you waste your time in doing that. Without arguing with you, I will tell you that you have no business marking my response or anyone else's as spam on my channel. The only way I can prevent that action is to block you, and so I do. I have no intention of arguing on your channel.
yes it true you need to teach your child respect to other not by bullying them, tell them you go to school you wat to do will that just mean as parent u need to help child with there homework not by yelling at them when that become older they will do the same things to their parents.
Telling children that they are from birth responsible for things they didn't do, then saying they will suffer for eternity unless they enter into a sadomasochistic relationship with an invisible man. Sounds like abuse to me!
I think it's important to teach religion from a historical point of view (you know, learn from history to not keep making the same stupid mistakes...). The problem comes with deliberate indoctrination of a specific religion, which is absolutely fucked up and cripples their skeptical thinking capabilities by teaching them gullibility is a virtue.
I was taught about God as a child, but I was taught that I could seek Him for myself. My parents shared their thoughts and feelings and their experiences with Him. Their faith did not demand I could not think for myself. It was the opposite. I was given information and allowed to come to an understanding myself. I was also not taught that God sees me as bad. Instead I was taught that God loves me and that He watches over me to help and guide, not to see me screw up so He could punish me.
@dustybenhur It's good that you were allowed to stretch your mind. I was referring to indoctrination which leaves no room for questions. I was indoctrinated myself until I was about 13, but fortunately, because of a rift between my parents and our church, I began to see how those "christians" actually behaved. The disconnect made me look into the bible for myself, which led to skeptics like Ingersoll.
one of the worst days i've had at school, was when i was told by a priest( yes, i live in a country where religious indoctrination is carried out at school and PAID FOR by the supposedly secular government)that i was born filthy with some kind of a sin made by two people long, long time ago. somehow me and the rest of a class of 7-y. old children were also blamed for something which we did not do(the fact that no one did was not known to me then). i find that incredibly outrageous today.
Great job! Thank you for all the work you put into a well thought out speech. I wish my ex wife watch this with an open mind and not send my kids to catholic school.
I guess I was lucky that I was taught about my family's religion as more of an abstract. I guess that comes with being from a non-religious Jewish household where both of your parents are teachers and basically deists with some traditions thrown in. And the reason I capitalized the "J" in the last sentence is because it is a proper noun.
@Jonstern1983 I am not consistent in my capitalizations. I always capitalize Jewish for the reason you gave, and almost always Christian for the same reason. But I don't capitalize god or bible, because there are thousands of gods and I would not recognize any one above the others, and the bible is just a book, and not a holy one to me.
"...and they served their idols, which were a snare unto them. Yea, they sacrificed their sons and daughters unto devils, and shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan; and the land was polluted with blood."
@Eye2EyeIIIV Really? And of course god never demanded or allowed human blood sacrifice. Except that Abraham and Isaac thing. Yeas, it was stopped, but not before Abraham showed his willingness to kill his own son.
Then there was Jephthah. Just read the entire chapter of Judges 11. The blood sacrifice of Jephthah's daughter was accepted by god. Might as well have been Molech or Baal.
Go ahead and say it's out of context. It's the entire chapter. The context is perfectly clear.
The children of believers, too, deserve the opportunity to be free and rational. Religion means you must turn off your curious mind, be careful not to ask the wrong questions, learn to not notice the glaring contradictions and compromises. Nobody should have to go through life with their mind shut half off on purpose. There is no Imaginary Friend. Take responsibility for your life! Get all the education you can, from the best sources you can find! Be free!
Thank you for a voice of reason. The problem is that those who are indoctrinating their children via "The god virus" (not my term obviously but perfect description) are not the ones who watch you. They're too busy watching Benny Hinn, or praising the lord with the Lakewood Congregation in Tx.
I can't say i enjoyed my religious education as a child. I still struggle to detox myself of bullshit teachings. I can also say that I disliked the hours of my young life wasted in church and detention if i didn't want to regurgitate religious dogma. i dont remember much of the hell aspect of my religious education, but i do remember the extreme amounts of ass kissing the christian religion required and the violence capable of offended cultist about their delusions.
Excellent video. Very well explained. It's about time we start questioning the crap that's being fed to our kids by default. Start teaching them to use their own rationality and objectiveness to grow and uphold good ethics, instead of instilling fear, guilt and mystical beliefs at such a cruical age...
LArgo64 don't you think it might be beneficial to instead of teach a religion make mythology and ancient religion part of a school curriculum early on so children can when they get older choose for themselves what to believe. show them how religions work in the long run of things and what effects they can have or what acts they can inspire. Its just like teaching people to recognize propaganda and decide their political views for themselves.
@thuzan117 I've been rereading this comment section, and I sometimes answer comments belatedly. When I was in school I WAS taught about the Greek and Roman and Norse gods. But they were taught as mythology, and only because they were important to the history of their respective regions. IF Judaism and Christianity could be taught as mythology, I would not object. My problem is that those who want to teach about Yaweh insist that he is real and must be worshipped. Make it academic, I'll agree.
@DollMommy10 How do you teach a child to accept a "savior" without telling them why they need saving? "Well Johnny, Mary, you were born filthy with sin and God just can't tolerate you unless you accept that this person named Jesus died for every wrong thing you ever did or will do. Because even though you never really hurt anyone, the fact the you were born means you deserve the death penalty. It was him or you."
I'll have to agree with you Largo, I went to a christian school for 7-8 grade and the majority of my grade treated me like shit, just because i thought differently and acted differently due to a disability, my 7th grade teacher also de-humanized me as well. I'm not all Christians are anti-disability or treat people who are different badly. Now i don't really practice faith, but I'm not saying that it's a lie, certain aspects of teaching religion is harmful yet it can be a tool used for good.
@Mizutamer i went to a lutheran school and while religion was a class the teaching of the origin of the lutheran church inherently teaches us to question dogma and authority and to seek higher moral understanding. not all sects or religions are negative but i understand your talking about the types who want to kill gays, convert the jews, outlaw abortion, and slander the theory of evolution.
ok, you have identified the problem. What is the solution? Our children are going to hear religious dogma from grandparents or other children or wherever, how do we safeguard them? Is there an unbiased religious education program that teaches what each of the major religions believe, including my lack of belief, that I can use to educate my children? Where can I find this?
@xd1rtx I can't say you are wrong. I think indoctrination is harmful, but it is almost universal because parents naturally want their children to believe as they do. Some few parents actually hold off on religious education until their children reach what they deem to be the age of reason, but of course that can vary. I don't have a solution, because I don't think you can force people. All you can do is point up the problem and hope awareness will help to change things. Probably not.
Well, I guess if I can't find a decent religious education program to teach to my kids, I'll have to make my own. Not sure where to fukn start though. All I know is, I don't want him learning religion from his fundie grandparents. Thanks anyhow.
@xd1rtx I have suggested in other comments below that one might teach kids that "some people believe that a god made everything, and others believe there is no god." In other words, teach them ABOUT religion without dogmatically stating teaching religion. When I was a kid I learned about Greek, Roman and Norse gods, for example. Of course, since those religions were essentially "dead" they were taught as mythology. I think Christianity, Islam and other religions should be taught the same way.
Religion is nothing but primitive fairytale that has clearly done more harm than good. History makes my claim evident. Teaching religion to our children retards our evolutionary development. It creates a society that is fearful of an invisible being.
It amazes me that more people don' t have the nerve to stand up and say that the teachings of the old/new testament bible is nothing but horrendous tales of how humans degraded themselves because of their ignorance and superstition. That this still goes on today is disgraceful. I am completely disgusted by the teachings of this so called "loving" god. Pointing their accusatory fingers, calling sinner, hellfire...nothing but mental illness.
I was raised in a Catholic family, but stopped believing all that many years ago. I raised my daughter without religion. We discussed many different religions over the years, among many other topics. I taught her how to think critically,to be kind, have empathy and to keep an open mind. At 23, she's a wonderful girl. She doesn't drink, smoke nor drug.....and is a caring, honest person. All this accomplished without religion. Imagine that.
What a brilliant essay. I've often questioned it as a possible form of child abuse, detrimental to the mind of the childs ability to develop normally but you really put it across so well.
Thank you, Largo, for stating what you believe. It is a great nation that let's us state what we believe. I believe that we should bring up our children to revere the Lord God. I agree, religon is bad. It states that man can, with his own efforts, reach the Most High. I taught my kids to strive for the best but don't forget the our God, in His love us, paid our debt in full as there is no way we can attain His righteousness unless we received HIs plan of Salvation and love others.
@slarvage I don't believe we have any debt for the sins of Adam and Eve. The idea that one can be guilty of the wrongdoing of another is absurd. Worse is the idea of vicarious punishment. That a sinless man (the alleged Jesus) could accept the punishment for the sins of others is the very type if INjustice.
I recently read Brave New World and this reminds me greatly fo the topics discussed in there; Children are formed and greatly enthused to conform to their parent's beliefs. A child mind gets completely molded by how they are raised, in a way it's brainwashing, isn't it?
Television, even education tv, has shown to be harmful to children at a young age. So according to your definition to child abuse 4:47 parents letting kids watch tv is abuse. So why not focus on this since it is by far more prominent in our culture today?
@xdrslash An important difference is that no one says that if you don't believe in Diego or the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles you will spend eternity in torment.
I don't believe that "even educationa;l TV has been shown to be harmful to children." TV in general, if not managed by parents, I will grant you may be harmful. But deliberate indoctrination in religion is not the same thing. Children are brought up to believe that whatever differs (no, WHOever differs) from what they've been taught is not only wrong, but probably Satanic. That is harmful because it's a lie.
I couldn't agree more with the concept that children who harbor guilt from their "sins" are psychologically damaged. I myself am a survivor of such ridiculous thought. I believe that forcing religious beliefs on children is borderline brainwashing, which is in a way can be constituted as a form of abuse. Having my own children now, I've come to the conclusion that the Bible is just a way to help people learn wrong from right. I'm sure those morals can be taught without the make-believe and fear.
@novemberwh1skey: Wrong. Evolution is a field of science. Where as religion is a belief. Evolution is taught in school for the same reasons math and physics are taught.
kakkoi, In point of fact religion is not a belief, it is a term which describes a field of human activity. Likewise science is a field of human activity. Why should secularist bigots be allowed to dictate which fields of human activity other peoples children should be allowed to examine?
Everything we do is a field of human activity, that's completely irrelevant.
Go look up the definition of "Religion":
"a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects"
What is being argued about here is the forcing of religious "beliefs" on children. Evolutionary beliefs aren't taught in school. The "facts" we have learned though proper scientific investigation about evolution and biology are.
Any type of teaching in excess could be considered abuse or, at least, a hinderance on personal thought and their ability to rationalize what others have told them.
@Blackfish100 Teaching kids morals, values and life experience is great. It's dogma that is harmful. As I said, teaching kids HOW to think, encouraging them to question and to use their minds, is good. Teaching them WHAT to think limits them their whole lives. You can do one without the other.
You are a very smart man... I found your videos while looking for death penalty info.... that led me to see some of your other videos, which I thoroughly enjoyed.
@DerektheDuctTape There are certainly different degrees of abuse. Have you ever seen "Jesus Camp"? Don't you think that mindfuck was abuse?
You call it religious education, I call it indoctrination. You don't see it as abuse. But I struggled for many years to free myself from dogma that was drilled into me from childhood. That teaching was abusive, albeit unintentionally so.
Jesus Camp, that movie was twisted and put up from a bias point of view. Many things that should have been in the movie were left out very important. Now I don't agree with what the camp teaches, but I won't call it abuse.
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tanyakennedy2010 3 weeks ago
I believe that it is child abuse to teach any child that they might be tortured forever in hell, or that anyone else might be tortured forever in hell.
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RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
I was raised by a man who never missed an opportunity to tell me i was a piece of shit, i am 56 years old, it still effects me, teaching children religion is just as bad, religion tells children they are bad no matter what they do and they need to god to forgive them for being evil... infuriating...
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It is unfortunate that there are people who make hurtful choices. I myself was abondoned by my biofather. Instead of letting his choice to leave have lasting affect on me, the Lord helps me to forgive him. He helps me see that if it wasn't for him I would not be born, that if he hadn't left, i would have never had a wonderful role model like my adopted father.
I agree with description of harm of "religion" , but Jesus long for relationship. Ur in my prayers.
RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
Imposing their beliefs on a child when they are most receptive to dogmas whether they are right or not, is wrong. If they are wrong, then I agree it is child abuse. because it affects them their entire life. And if the dogma is right, then there should be no problem in letting them grow up and find out themselves. let children be children. They shouldn't be forced to pray or go to church. they should choose so themselves.
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RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
-I don't ever recall being called a reverend. I'm not boasting that i'm some special, chosen person, I made a choice to accept Jesus as my Lord and savior.
- It's not my place to save you, as previouly discussed it is God. I came to your channel because I care and want to encourage you. I want to foster a fellowship with you. That God longs to wrap his arms around you and care for you if you would only let Him.
RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 I can only say your heart (there's that metaphor again) is in the right place. If you are a minister, but don't go by "Reverend," I both apologize and commend you for unusual humility from the priestly class. I had three preachers in my extended family, none of whom accepted the title Reverend. In my opinion, that may be the only thing they got right, but we don't need to go there. Now that I think of it, they chose to be called Mr., which, if memory serves (cont.)
Largo64 2 months ago
(cont.) . . . is derived from the word "master." I'm sure that didn't occur to them. My grandfather (preacher #1) used to decry the use of the term "maestro" for a conductor, because he said the only proper master was the lord, in one or another of his three persons. It's too bad that our culture uses the word "reverend" as a title when it is really just an adjective. And it's too bad that so many preachers accept the word as a title for themselves.
Largo64 2 months ago
i guess if the same people that taught you to wipe your butt and tie your shoes teaches you about religion is harder to disbelieve i mean in parents were right about tying shoes and wiping butts theyCAN'T be wrong about religion! It is a "Are you calling my parents liars?" thing i think for lots of people.
wideosvatcher 2 months ago
Teaching of religion is child abuse I agree.It kills peoples individuality,and they think in bible quotes.They may have other interests and for some the brainwashing doesnt stick.
Those people get to hear fun things like you are going to hell. ya kids really want to go around warning people of hell.
The internet destroyed religion. a casual observer can tell stuff like prayer is fake....unless religions have been praying for Atheism to grow. im sure its been prayed and its not working.
wideosvatcher 2 months ago
I'm not saying that my mind is not affected because it is, along with all of my body, but my heart is where it orginates and it get my whole body going especially when it come to Love. If thats not how you feel about it then I'll respect your scientific choice.
The Bible confuses those who think themselves wise and clever. The Gods word becomes clear when we are childlike- humbly open to recieve the truth of God's word.
RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
I was reading you bio and noticed you did not finish
Job 28:28
28 And this is what he said to all humanity: 'The fear of the Lord is true wisdom; to forsake evil is understanding.'.. I have a question, what is your take on 'The fear of the Lord'? I ask because you compared it to Mr Russels quote of conquering fear.
RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 The point was, I thought, rather obvious. The bible inculcates fear throughout, but science is fearless. I know the bible says perfect love casts out fear, but I don't think fear and love can be held at the same time for the same person. The bible COMMANDS you to love god, and threatens damnation if you do not. Love is something that is given freely.
Largo64 2 months ago
@Largo64
Your comparison of (fear) in that Scripture and Mr Russell differs from mine. Russell is using fear as a negative sensation induced by a percieved threat. The fear of the Lord to a believer mean to have respect and reverence for God and to be in awe of his majesty and power...the starting point of real wisdom.
The Bible does not COMMAND you to love God. It is a choice your freely make yourself..reguardless of threats of damnation. I agree Love is something your give freely.
RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 Deuteronomy 6:5 "And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might." "Thou shalt" is not a suggestion or a desire, but a command. "You WILL love me . . . or else." And, yes, I know it says love with "all thine heart." This was written by the same people who thought the sun revolved around the earth and that snakes could walk and talk.
Respect, as you describe it, is the kind I give to a rattlesnake or a black widow spider.
Largo64 2 months ago
@Largo64
..It is also accepted freely, and that is the grace that our heavenly Father give us, through his only Son Christ Jesus, we just have to eithier accept Him or not. We have freedom to make choice.. who to love, what to believe, what to eat etc etc.... but what we don't have freedom over is the consequences of our choices.
RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 That also is false. You say we have the freedom to choose, but JOHN 6:44 says, "No man can come to me except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day." The choice was made before we were born; who would accept and believe and who would not. I'm sure you will explain this away also. It's easy to ignore whatever doesn't fit with your desire to believe. I guess you've been "drawn." Good for you.
Largo64 2 months ago
@Largo64
- I urge you to discern my every word because it seems you have set up the comment for more questioning and I am greatful for this. The words i want to emphasize is 'draw him'.. God, not people, plays the active role in salvation. When someone chooses to believe in Jesus Christ as Savior, he or she does only in response to the urging of God's Holy Spirit. God does the urging; then we decide wether or not to believe, Thus, no one can believe in Jesus without God's help.
RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 My point exactly. Only the elect may enter the kingdom. And the elect were chosen before time. Good for you if you think you are one of them, but MOST people who ever lived will be left out, according to your mythology, and will not only be destroyed by fire, but tortured forever, depending on which scriptures you choose. That billions were culled, destined for hell before they were ever conceived makes the one who ordained all that a monster. The whole idea stinks. (cont.)
Largo64 2 months ago
(cont.) No matter how liberally you slather on the holy oil, you can't get rid of the stench of it. It reeks to (dare I say it?) high heaven. I guess I can refer to heaven "metaphorically" as you do to heart. I noticed in your channel comments someone called you Rev. Are you a minister, come to my channel to save me? I'm afraid you've wasted your time.
Incidentally, no one in the New Testament ever referred to Jesus as Reverend. They called him Rabbi (teacher). How do you rate a fancier title?
Largo64 2 months ago
@Largo64
You see you focus so much on the God's Law that you miss Jesus. The Law is put in place within us to show us that we are all sinners, without the Law there is no sin. But God in his grace gave us Jesus to rescue us from our sinful nature. To show us a blue print for living righteous. To focus on the Law is a DEMAND I agree "Thou shalt". It was before Jesus. He was sent, he serves, he saves, he forgive.....SUPPLY. It;s a full circle friend and it all part of his perfect plan.
RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 What you are pleased to call respect, as that for your god, is exactly the kind of respect demanded by gang bangers, and it is gotten the same way . . . by fear.
Largo64 2 months ago
@Largo64
If my explination was not clear on the difference in the the 'fear of the Lord' and Mr Russell 'fear' You are entitled to your opinions. that is why I finished Job 28:28 for you to FORSAKE EVIL is understanding.. If your implying "gangbangers" use your meaning of fear... that would be considered evil.
- I am glad that you read scriptures, but to understand it you must have a humble heart.
RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
Teaching ABOUT religion ist not abuse, religious indoctrination is.
Kynos1 2 months ago
I fear that you are right, Largo64...
Unfortunately there is no clear way to save young minds before the dogma gets to them. When I was in preschool (a religious one at that), I believed in god... but when I learned the truth about Santa (I was 6), i questioned why we never went to church, and I had my answers. Many kids are not born with the nature to question things, and many parents are not as honest or affluent as mine. The sad reality is that Christianity will not die off soon...
datawraith3080 2 months ago
It is a touchy subject indeed but you have some pretty firm foundations on which to call it abuse. I don't think ALL religious upbringings are abusive by this measure however, although if you included 'teaching fallacies' it would include virtually all of them.
Personally, what I find immoral about religious upbringing is the attitude that many religious people take that it is their right as parents (no further thought needed). That is more repugnant than many of the actual practices involved.
TheMrCJist 2 months ago
teaching children anything can be argued to be abuse. no matter what humans are proponents of is a gross deviation from nature which will result in trauma and alienation. having children is abuse if anything is.
CDanielzSpecialist 2 months ago
yes.
illusionstateofmind 2 months ago
Good points. My parents were atheists and didn't want them to make decisions for me me and my siblings. When each of us was 8 my Dad brought us to several christian denomination Churches, Catholic, Anglican, Babtist etc. We had to complete10 weeks in the Sunday schools offered by churches. My parents tried, non cynically help us understand Christianity. Guess what? Non of stories made any sense ... to eight year olds.
paulhawk17 2 months ago
Every person believes different things to be good/bad. Parents always teach children what they believe to be useful in life. EVERYTHING a person becomes never comes from within the person him/herself, there is no right way.
KainSlash 4 months ago
@KainSlash True that. I come from a very religious family, and one day, in church classes, when I was a kid, I just thought "Why am I here? What's the point?" To today I'm a non believer. I'll raise my children according to what I "know", but if they take different paths later on, I'll respect and love them equally... If only my family was like that...
SergioSource 3 months ago
@SergioSource Indeed, people should love each other not based on what one think about life philosophy, or anything else for that matter.
KainSlash 3 months ago
Telling a child that they will be tortured for ever if they don't believe what some mentally deficient sociopathic bogoted and evil little men wrote 2000 years ago is deffinately child abuse. To force this oppressive dogma on anyone, especially children, should be illegal. The biblical god condones rape, slavery, murder and genocide... Christianity is not the way to find a good moral or ethical base. It teaches hatred, bigotry and intollerance. Those who follow blindly shall be led astray.
UncleMatt69 5 months ago
It reminds me of this story in the news years ago where these two young boys were kicked out of their scout troup for omitting the word "god" when reciting the pledge of allegiance. The father was a lawyer who vowed to sue the troup, while the mother was a teacher. Although the father held one religous belief, and the mother a different one, they fully supported their kids' Atheist beliefs. I remember being impressed how the parents clearly never imposed their views on their kids.
c02shows 7 months ago
I respect your view point of needing real proof God exist. My question to you then is this. You want proof and evidence? what would you do if you had it? What then? Only then would you care? only then would you accept him? think about this , has it ever occurred to you that the worst thing God our Father could do is give us everything that we want?
RightouesPath2011 7 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 If the god of the old and new testaments could be proven to me I would nevertheless reject him. If you actually read the bible you should be able to see, if your mind is unclouded by apologetics, that that god is a monster. My opinion, of course. You don't HAVE to believe it. But if I could have taught you that when you were a child, as if it were a fact and not an opinion, you would believe it. Teaching a child that some people believe in god and some do not, and (cont.)
Largo64 2 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 (cont.) reserving the conclusion for when the child has reached the age of reason and can read the bible for him/herself is correct. Telling a child that s/he MUST believe a particular god (or any god) or be burned forever is child abuse, in my opinion.
Largo64 2 months ago
I also offer to help needs you might have when it comes to understanding Christianity. It is always open and you are always welcome to ask. May your days be joyful and blessed.
RightouesPath2011 7 months ago
My relationship with Jesus is strong. I have faith that he will guide me in a righteous way. My life hasn't never been better. not to say there hasn't been hardships but i know that I can always lean on Jesus to help me when I don't understand or feel lost and alone. This is the wonderful thing behind prayer.... God doesn't provide us what we want but rather what we need. I just want to share this with you. because it takes courage to share personal experiences & yours urged me to do the same.
RightouesPath2011 7 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 "My relationship with Jesus is strong. " - You have no relationship with an entity called Jesus. This is all in your head.
EllyMcCormack 7 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 You have an interesting choice of quotes on your channel. Proverbs 3:5-6. "5) Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.6) In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths." Allow me to translate: "Don't think. The brain I gave you was just to keep your ears apart. Just believe what your pastor tells you, but for heaven's sake DON'T THINK!" (YHVH)
Largo64 2 months ago
@Largo64
Thanks for your input, sir. But your forgot to translate what the heart is doing. The Lord allows me to disern accordingly. False teaching is easliy detected. Easy as identifying a tree by the fruit it bears. Peace and God bless to you.
RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 The heart is just a pump. If you mean brain, that's another and individual matter. No two brains think exactly alike, or so it would seem. Identifying a tree by the fruit it bears is logical. But trees produce fruit of only one kind each. Christianity seems to produce both good and bad people. Some 85% of the 2 million plus people in American prisons identify themselves as Christians. Most Christians are good. Obviously there is more than one kind of fruit on that tree.
Largo64 2 months ago
@Largo64
Let me ask you this, have you ever been in love? have you ever had your heart broken? have you ever felt true joy? These are feelings that I feel come directly from my heart. I can't control you feelings on this matter but to me the heart is much more than a pump.
-I agree no two minds think exactly alike. That is why the Bible is important. Its for teaching, for reproof and for correction. The Bible never changes, the way humans think does. Have a wonderful day, God bless
RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 Yes, I have experienced all of those feelings. They came from my mind. You can use the word "heart" metaphorically if you like, but if you think emotion actually resides in your blood pump you have serious problems with reality.
The bible only confuses, because it is so easy to interpret in different ways. It is rarely, if ever direct and unambiguous. So it is not a good instrument of reproof and correction. That it never changes is not it's glory, but it's greatest fault.
Largo64 2 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 you are an idiot.
illusionstateofmind 2 months ago
@illusionstateofmind
If being called an idiot because I am unshakable to my faith in My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.....thank you. Thank you for helping me increase my faith in Him even more. I pray that He blesses you with His unfailing Love. Have a joyful and blessed holiday season.
RightouesPath2011 2 months ago
I was starting to look at UFOs to come and save us.. i know insane right?
It came to a halt one night in early June when a visited a dear friends youtube site. It was so clear almost like God urged me to do it and through his youtube and website Parcelesus2012. It wasn't the website that saved me, It was God. I started to realize that I misunderstood so much because i got caught up in worldly thing and hardened my heart. the next day I was born again, not in a church but on my couch looking up.
RightouesPath2011 7 months ago
I recently recommitted to my Faith after a 3 months of despair and depression. I was looking at our would today and everything that is going on around us. Wars, reccesion just the lack of Love and respect for one another, tried to seek Salvation through worldly things. Donated money to presidential candiates, only to be slammed by some scandal. the more i searched the farther down the rabbit hole I went. I got more paranoid. Felt SO far away from my Wife and Kids.
RightouesPath2011 7 months ago
I was a child that was allowed to have a choice. I was lucky.
EmoberryProductions 9 months ago
fuck yes its child abuse, and brain washing, STRAIGHT UP BRAIN WASHING, fucking makes me sick. there is no all power super mega being that can create whatever the fuck he wants when he wants, knows everything about everyone and watches/knows what we do 24/7.. you wanna know what happens when you die? samething that happens when a machine turns off. nothingness.
krazzedk9 9 months ago
It depends on how you go about teaching the religion.
spilledinsanity 9 months ago
You get a thumbs up from me. However religion can be taught without dogma. The major world religions in their form 200 years ago certainly would be a problem in conjunction with modern technology. Anti-religion and anti-supernatural and anti-spiritual I feel can also be child abuse however because I have read(and agree based on experience and observance) that human beings have a natural desire for individuation and the only way to come to that is through something like religion.
LifeLibertyLove 10 months ago
speaking from experience, it is is abuse...... :( it destroyed me and still is..
MizzLathina 10 months ago
id prefer to learn my child religion rather than them bein brainwashed by the satanic society we live in..its al a set up because the end is near and they want as many non believers as possible so satan will excell...its thru r television the media songs lol the illuminati would crash to the ground if people woke up
hotlipsmel 10 months ago
I think parents should just teach their kids how to be good, honest, hard working, caring adults because that is the way we should all be anyway - not just because we'll go to hell if we don't follow certain "rules". On the other hand, when a child is young, it's nice for them to think there is somewhere to go when we die to make the thought of death less traumatic for them. I'm not religious but I tell my daughter that all good people go to heaven - but it stops there!
kkly27 11 months ago
couldn't agree more with this guy. i consider myself a recovering christian, eight years after becoming an atheist. i think it's correct that the shame, guilt, and paranoia associated with strict religious upbringing becomes buried in the subconscious and is difficult to shake. good observation on the "intent" aspect as well...my parents are unaware of my feelings on this, i don't tell them because i know they would genuinely feel bad about it and they meant no harm at all
jaybeebles 11 months ago
If a parent teaches a child about religion it's no where close to child abuse and I hope it never will be (My religion has helped me get past many hard times and I'll teach that to my kid no matter what any one says)
Rarelylucky19 1 year ago
@Rarelylucky19 It's indoctrination that does the harm. Teaching kids HOW to think is a good thing, but teaching them WHAT to think is not. I don't propose here taking away anybody's religion. I only suggest that the teaching of it should wait until critical thinking has been developed. Telling a 20 year old what you think is one thing. Telling a 2 year old what he MUST think is wrong. That's indoctrination and it's abusive no matter who does it.
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 so indoctrination is abusive, but smoking around children, feeding them to much, and yelling isnt? Come on dude, lets use some common sense. Harm is a part of life, learning how to handle it is called maturing. There is a very obvious line between corporal punishment and beating a kid with a 2 by 4. They both cause harm, but your defintion of child abuse is to damn broad. By your thinking hitting a kid on the hand is abusive. Teaching a language is abusive, teaching a culture is abisive
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@Largo64 teaching polictics is abusive. Just teaching socialization in essence is abusive. This is rediculas. Indoctrination is simply a form of teaching, by definition it is forced and serves the purpose of continuing the system. What you do with what you learn as you mature is your decision, but thier is no evidence that it halts the ability to think critically,damages the phyche, or traps them in the dogma for eternity.
And your reasons for harm dont add up either. confusion? guilt?-
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@Largo64 repress critical thinking? "anything that makes the mind work less well, or causes emotional pain may be characterized as harm" therefore its abuse? Despite having no evidence that religion causes or is the sole cause for ANY of that, by that logic i can characterize the teaching of American culture and it's superiority complex and lies, half truths, and failing education system (all thanks to the gov) as abusive on a GLOBAL scale. That is really stretching the dfinition of child abuse-
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@Largo64 to emcompass teachings you simply don't agree with. Intelligence, critical thinking, questioning things is generally an environment and genetic phenominon. It has nothing to do with whether or not you beleive in a god. Education (particularly college education) is more correalated with your critical thinking "hypothesis" than religion or any other dogma that you dont agree with.Just because a few children can not seem to cope with being athiest coming out of a christian home, does not-
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@Largo64 constitute as abuse 20 years down the road. Argue that to a judge. "My parents absubed me because i grew up christian. Now that im 20 i see they are wrong, but thier teachings are still stuck in my head because i can not fully beleive there is no God and it's their fault." That's the America way for sure, blame your own intellectual failures on somebody else-as a grown man no doubt.. While you are at it, commit a crime and say it's your parents fault for raising you this way.
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@Largo64 It's a little bit of a straw man arguement, but you get my point. It wont hold up in court because it's rediculas and any amount of socialization (even teaching a language) could be characterized in the same way with such broad and ambiguous logic. The whole religion is child abuse arguement is another one of America's infamous double standards based around media negative perceptions (which ironicaly promote the type of "dogma" and "sheep" following you claim religion does) by which-
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@Largo64 intellectualy stomps Americans into not being able to tell the difference between subjective and objective analyst. Thus making them less likely to think for themselves and is how words like brainwashing,indoctrination, and socialization get different meanings based on what is socialy acceptable rather than what they really are. Besides, not all children turn out like some emo guy who has lost himself and is bitter about their upbringing. Some turn out just fine in religious householdes
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@Largo64 and keep the faith and develop critical thinking, particularly when they pursue high education, including earning doctorits. So there are some other factors you are missing in your analysist, or simply ignoring as they would debunk your entire arguement. So no, religious teaching, indoctrination, socialization, brainwashing, what ever is just a form of learning. It is not abusive just because you dont agree with it. And your personal confusion, guilt and other emo issues that arise from
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@Largo64 prior to or after such learning may be the cause of your rejection of faith, lack of critical thinking, loss of self ,or perhaps just self esteem issues. Its just called growing up and maturing. Not abuse 60 yrs ago now coming into fruitation. So your parents were wrong or didn't have all of the answers, whoopy do? Who does? Now all of a sudden it's abuse for not being a perfect parent? My mother wasn't perfect either, but i dont blame her for my own failures.
ikcjjtt 10 months ago
@Rarelylucky19 well you doing that takes away your childs freedom and reason also ability to think in some ways and taking those away is guess what........a form of facism
joemoin 1 year ago
@Rarelylucky19 I don't object to teaching "about" religion. It is dogmatism, which is found in most religious teaching, that I object to. That is where the abuse comes from. Children can lean on their parents for the support to get past "hard times." But adults function better when they make a choice not born of fear of its opposite.
Largo64 2 months ago
Well said! Obviously, many who push their religion on their kids believe that they are doing good. Religion is toxic and a form of brain washing and, until it is seen in this light, I fear it will never be seen as child abuse.
julzabro 1 year ago
I wished I had read this in 2000 when I was still a child. For me religion slowed down my development. Or rather, it left me less emotionally secure to face life's harsh realities bravely. To this day my subconscious on a deep level still clings to my past religious beliefs.. and to be frank, it haunts me to this day and damages my relationships with others and my ability to stomach life's harsh realities. In short, I wish I was free from this bondage.
EllyMcCormack 1 year ago
@EllyMcCormack You can free yourself to a large degree from now on, but I can't say the pang of fear deeply ground into the subconscious will ever go away entirely. I would recommend Robert G. Ingersoll's essays and speeches on religious skepticism, and more recently Christopher Hitchins' "God Is Not Great." The former is available on CD through The Bank Of Knowledge (and probably Amazon). The latter is still in any bookstore. Good luck in your journey.
Largo64 1 year ago
@EllyMcCormack
I am truly sorry for your hardships in life. Religion can do that, now if you look at Christianity as a relationship with Jesus you might have a different view. I know what it is like to despise religion. But I truly encourage you to have open mind about relationship. But also If life is good right now, i'll pray it stay that way and may you have many more. Peace and God bless
RightouesPath2011 8 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 Your predatory proselytising cannot be a substitute for a rational argument over the value of religion. The comment I left to Largo was just honesty, it wasn't a display of someone vulnerable to your nonsense. I need evidence before I subscribe to anything -that is a healthy way to live life rather than trying to fit my own being, my own identity in what is a idiotic, primitive group of writings we call the Gospels.
EllyMcCormack 8 months ago
@EllyMcCormack
I'm sorry if you take offense Appearing predatory was not my intent whatsoever. I value your honesty It was the reason why I commented and shared my own past with reguards to religion. I know what its like when my subconscience takes over me due to my misunderstanding in My Faith. I use to be Catholic, I can remember the priest preach Sins will lead you to burning to hell. It scared me. Made me despise religion. I to began a personal exploration of how the world works for 18 yr
RightouesPath2011 7 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 It doesn't appear that way, it is that way. If you want to help us, find a cure for cancer or invent a new kind of dish washer that is smaller than a washing machine. If Christianity doesn't make you strive to create real positive outcomes for the meek of society, if it teaches you that prayer alone is what people in dire straits really require - then it's false beliefs that are causing you to not only be afraid, but also to be less than you could be, & less than you are.
EllyMcCormack 7 months ago
@EllyMcCormack
I understand where you are coming from you seem to have a good heart. You want to somehow provide peace for all. Very noble and commendable. Prayer is just another word without Faith. God provides us with what we need when we ask and not what we want.
RightouesPath2011 7 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 So when your imaginary friend lets children starve in Somalia, it's because they only want food and they don't need it enough? You're trying to fit the world into your ideology by putting us in two groups: those you claim need prayers answered and those who only 'want' them answered -unfortunately reality reveals your beliefs to be nothing more than a poor, weak attempt to explain why people suffer despite your conviction in a loving God.
EllyMcCormack 7 months ago
@EllyMcCormack
As human beings we can't help everyone, but I know numerous churches who do missionary work in less fortunate countries, and spread the gospel. thier Faith teaches them to be giving, caring and to have sympathy for those need. To me these are prayers answered, when i see selflessness like this. When I have faith i know God is working. It is impossible to see it happen if you don't have faith in him. I encourage you to use that gift of discernment you have. It will save u. peace
RightouesPath2011 7 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 "It is impossible to see it happen if you don't have faith in him." I can only appreciate the rationale of your argument if I believe in your argument in the first place? That's ridiculous. If you used that line in any other instance other than the topic of religion, people would call you, quite rightly, an asshole. " I know numerous churches who do missionary work in less fortunate countries, and spread the gospel." people in these poor countries are usually already dogmatic.
EllyMcCormack 7 months ago
@EllyMcCormack
Is there anything else I can try to answer for you? I will do my best. My channel box is always open for discussion and you are always welcome. peace and God bless
RightouesPath2011 7 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 Actually, I wasn't asking you any questions, you're not an internet missionary. I was commenting on all these claims you've made with absolutely no evidence. Since you can't provide any evidence or clout substantiating your own beliefs, they're just as valid as those catholic beliefs you strongly disagree with. The difference between you and me is, I don't have any favouritism for one dogma over another. To me I accept that they're equals in their mediocrity.
EllyMcCormack 7 months ago
@EllyMcCormack
I pray that your journey of discernment is a positve one. My channel is always open.God Bless
RightouesPath2011 7 months ago
@RightouesPath2011 Non-sequitur. Prayers do nothing.
EllyMcCormack 7 months ago
It is abuse, but faulty thinking doesn't pass from generation to generation :)
chinaboyd 1 year ago
Kill yourself and then rot in hell.
AndrewPPalmer 1 year ago
@AndrewPPalmer Well now, Mr. Palmer, you've exposed yourself as a troll. I answered your previous insult on another video calmly and without anger. I'm not angry now, either, but I don't tolerate trolls. It's a pity that a man of fifty years can't make an argument, but has to rely on verbal abuse. You are blocked hereafter. Bye!
Largo64 1 year ago
@Largo64 Religion is of want. If you don't want to be a Christian or a Jew or any other religion. It is our descision in life. In my oppinion God is real and that I shall not bow down before any other. Atheism is Satan at work, turning you to live with him in hell and I cannot belive that you wasted your time making a video that can be seen by children. I have prayed for you in hope that God will save you from this life of tourture. You cannot put up an argument, any responses I will mark SPAM.
jakescomputer42 10 months ago
@jakescomputer42 Thanks for your prayers, I guess. But you waste your time in doing that. Without arguing with you, I will tell you that you have no business marking my response or anyone else's as spam on my channel. The only way I can prevent that action is to block you, and so I do. I have no intention of arguing on your channel.
Largo64 10 months ago
yes it true you need to teach your child respect to other not by bullying them, tell them you go to school you wat to do will that just mean as parent u need to help child with there homework not by yelling at them when that become older they will do the same things to their parents.
MrMachinedx 1 year ago
Telling children that they are from birth responsible for things they didn't do, then saying they will suffer for eternity unless they enter into a sadomasochistic relationship with an invisible man. Sounds like abuse to me!
TheCircle000 1 year ago
You couldnt be more accurate in your portrayal........
Cousinsjay 1 year ago
I think it's important to teach religion from a historical point of view (you know, learn from history to not keep making the same stupid mistakes...). The problem comes with deliberate indoctrination of a specific religion, which is absolutely fucked up and cripples their skeptical thinking capabilities by teaching them gullibility is a virtue.
hellhammerz666 1 year ago
I was taught about God as a child, but I was taught that I could seek Him for myself. My parents shared their thoughts and feelings and their experiences with Him. Their faith did not demand I could not think for myself. It was the opposite. I was given information and allowed to come to an understanding myself. I was also not taught that God sees me as bad. Instead I was taught that God loves me and that He watches over me to help and guide, not to see me screw up so He could punish me.
dustybenhur 1 year ago
@dustybenhur It's good that you were allowed to stretch your mind. I was referring to indoctrination which leaves no room for questions. I was indoctrinated myself until I was about 13, but fortunately, because of a rift between my parents and our church, I began to see how those "christians" actually behaved. The disconnect made me look into the bible for myself, which led to skeptics like Ingersoll.
Largo64 1 year ago
one of the worst days i've had at school, was when i was told by a priest( yes, i live in a country where religious indoctrination is carried out at school and PAID FOR by the supposedly secular government)that i was born filthy with some kind of a sin made by two people long, long time ago. somehow me and the rest of a class of 7-y. old children were also blamed for something which we did not do(the fact that no one did was not known to me then). i find that incredibly outrageous today.
hipp6y 1 year ago
@hipp6y as an atheist, i don't feel guilty for other/imaginary people's doings, i've also made sure my 7-y. old son doesn't hear bollocks like that.
polish people, let's throw religion out of schools!!
hipp6y 1 year ago
Great job! Thank you for all the work you put into a well thought out speech. I wish my ex wife watch this with an open mind and not send my kids to catholic school.
wilmer420 1 year ago
I guess I was lucky that I was taught about my family's religion as more of an abstract. I guess that comes with being from a non-religious Jewish household where both of your parents are teachers and basically deists with some traditions thrown in. And the reason I capitalized the "J" in the last sentence is because it is a proper noun.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
@Jonstern1983 I am not consistent in my capitalizations. I always capitalize Jewish for the reason you gave, and almost always Christian for the same reason. But I don't capitalize god or bible, because there are thousands of gods and I would not recognize any one above the others, and the bible is just a book, and not a holy one to me.
Largo64 1 year ago
Melania ago, not eons. Eons are geological measurements with no defined time-frame. modern religion has only existed for several thousand years.
Jonstern1983 1 year ago
Very well said. I am watching the final stages of such proposed "abuses"...and it's quite painful to watch
geminirat84 1 year ago
REAL CHILD ABUSE!
(Psalm 106:36-38)
"...and they served their idols, which were a snare unto them. Yea, they sacrificed their sons and daughters unto devils, and shed innocent blood, even the blood of their sons and of their daughters, whom they sacrificed unto the idols of Canaan; and the land was polluted with blood."
Eye2EyeIIIV 1 year ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV Really? And of course god never demanded or allowed human blood sacrifice. Except that Abraham and Isaac thing. Yeas, it was stopped, but not before Abraham showed his willingness to kill his own son.
Then there was Jephthah. Just read the entire chapter of Judges 11. The blood sacrifice of Jephthah's daughter was accepted by god. Might as well have been Molech or Baal.
Go ahead and say it's out of context. It's the entire chapter. The context is perfectly clear.
Largo64 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Thank you for a voice of reason. The problem is that those who are indoctrinating their children via "The god virus" (not my term obviously but perfect description) are not the ones who watch you. They're too busy watching Benny Hinn, or praising the lord with the Lakewood Congregation in Tx.
pabobfin 1 year ago
I can't say i enjoyed my religious education as a child. I still struggle to detox myself of bullshit teachings. I can also say that I disliked the hours of my young life wasted in church and detention if i didn't want to regurgitate religious dogma. i dont remember much of the hell aspect of my religious education, but i do remember the extreme amounts of ass kissing the christian religion required and the violence capable of offended cultist about their delusions.
mistereveready 1 year ago
great essay!
opethharvest 1 year ago
Excellent video. Very well explained. It's about time we start questioning the crap that's being fed to our kids by default. Start teaching them to use their own rationality and objectiveness to grow and uphold good ethics, instead of instilling fear, guilt and mystical beliefs at such a cruical age...
Heelclicker81 1 year ago
LArgo64 don't you think it might be beneficial to instead of teach a religion make mythology and ancient religion part of a school curriculum early on so children can when they get older choose for themselves what to believe. show them how religions work in the long run of things and what effects they can have or what acts they can inspire. Its just like teaching people to recognize propaganda and decide their political views for themselves.
thuzan117 2 years ago
@thuzan117 I've been rereading this comment section, and I sometimes answer comments belatedly. When I was in school I WAS taught about the Greek and Roman and Norse gods. But they were taught as mythology, and only because they were important to the history of their respective regions. IF Judaism and Christianity could be taught as mythology, I would not object. My problem is that those who want to teach about Yaweh insist that he is real and must be worshipped. Make it academic, I'll agree.
Largo64 1 year ago
@DollMommy10 How do you teach a child to accept a "savior" without telling them why they need saving? "Well Johnny, Mary, you were born filthy with sin and God just can't tolerate you unless you accept that this person named Jesus died for every wrong thing you ever did or will do. Because even though you never really hurt anyone, the fact the you were born means you deserve the death penalty. It was him or you."
You mean THAT kind of encouragement?
Largo64 2 years ago
I'll have to agree with you Largo, I went to a christian school for 7-8 grade and the majority of my grade treated me like shit, just because i thought differently and acted differently due to a disability, my 7th grade teacher also de-humanized me as well. I'm not all Christians are anti-disability or treat people who are different badly. Now i don't really practice faith, but I'm not saying that it's a lie, certain aspects of teaching religion is harmful yet it can be a tool used for good.
Mizutamer 2 years ago
@Mizutamer i went to a lutheran school and while religion was a class the teaching of the origin of the lutheran church inherently teaches us to question dogma and authority and to seek higher moral understanding. not all sects or religions are negative but i understand your talking about the types who want to kill gays, convert the jews, outlaw abortion, and slander the theory of evolution.
thuzan117 2 years ago
ok, you have identified the problem. What is the solution? Our children are going to hear religious dogma from grandparents or other children or wherever, how do we safeguard them? Is there an unbiased religious education program that teaches what each of the major religions believe, including my lack of belief, that I can use to educate my children? Where can I find this?
xd1rtx 2 years ago
@xd1rtx I can't say you are wrong. I think indoctrination is harmful, but it is almost universal because parents naturally want their children to believe as they do. Some few parents actually hold off on religious education until their children reach what they deem to be the age of reason, but of course that can vary. I don't have a solution, because I don't think you can force people. All you can do is point up the problem and hope awareness will help to change things. Probably not.
Largo64 2 years ago
Well, I guess if I can't find a decent religious education program to teach to my kids, I'll have to make my own. Not sure where to fukn start though. All I know is, I don't want him learning religion from his fundie grandparents. Thanks anyhow.
xd1rtx 2 years ago
@xd1rtx I have suggested in other comments below that one might teach kids that "some people believe that a god made everything, and others believe there is no god." In other words, teach them ABOUT religion without dogmatically stating teaching religion. When I was a kid I learned about Greek, Roman and Norse gods, for example. Of course, since those religions were essentially "dead" they were taught as mythology. I think Christianity, Islam and other religions should be taught the same way.
Largo64 2 years ago
Religion is nothing but primitive fairytale that has clearly done more harm than good. History makes my claim evident. Teaching religion to our children retards our evolutionary development. It creates a society that is fearful of an invisible being.
Y5krew 2 years ago
It amazes me that more people don' t have the nerve to stand up and say that the teachings of the old/new testament bible is nothing but horrendous tales of how humans degraded themselves because of their ignorance and superstition. That this still goes on today is disgraceful. I am completely disgusted by the teachings of this so called "loving" god. Pointing their accusatory fingers, calling sinner, hellfire...nothing but mental illness.
TheWhatever41 2 years ago
I was raised in a Catholic family, but stopped believing all that many years ago. I raised my daughter without religion. We discussed many different religions over the years, among many other topics. I taught her how to think critically,to be kind, have empathy and to keep an open mind. At 23, she's a wonderful girl. She doesn't drink, smoke nor drug.....and is a caring, honest person. All this accomplished without religion. Imagine that.
Roseybaby63 2 years ago
@Roseybaby63 I absolutely CAN imagine that!
Largo64 2 years ago
That was amazing!
What a brilliant essay. I've often questioned it as a possible form of child abuse, detrimental to the mind of the childs ability to develop normally but you really put it across so well.
Well done :D
AyeYirMa 2 years ago
Thank you, Largo, for stating what you believe. It is a great nation that let's us state what we believe. I believe that we should bring up our children to revere the Lord God. I agree, religon is bad. It states that man can, with his own efforts, reach the Most High. I taught my kids to strive for the best but don't forget the our God, in His love us, paid our debt in full as there is no way we can attain His righteousness unless we received HIs plan of Salvation and love others.
slarvage 2 years ago
@slarvage I don't believe we have any debt for the sins of Adam and Eve. The idea that one can be guilty of the wrongdoing of another is absurd. Worse is the idea of vicarious punishment. That a sinless man (the alleged Jesus) could accept the punishment for the sins of others is the very type if INjustice.
Largo64 2 years ago
this contradictory paragraph of misspelling and grammatical errors makes absolutely NO SENSE!
TheWhatever41 2 years ago
I recently read Brave New World and this reminds me greatly fo the topics discussed in there; Children are formed and greatly enthused to conform to their parent's beliefs. A child mind gets completely molded by how they are raised, in a way it's brainwashing, isn't it?
liveandlaughangie 2 years ago
Religion sould be taken out of all schools, churches would not want science tort in churches
RealityGameWorld 2 years ago
well put!
DrakeMagnum 2 years ago
Television, even education tv, has shown to be harmful to children at a young age. So according to your definition to child abuse 4:47 parents letting kids watch tv is abuse. So why not focus on this since it is by far more prominent in our culture today?
xdrslash 2 years ago
@xdrslash An important difference is that no one says that if you don't believe in Diego or the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles you will spend eternity in torment.
JPO1618 2 years ago
I don't believe that "even educationa;l TV has been shown to be harmful to children." TV in general, if not managed by parents, I will grant you may be harmful. But deliberate indoctrination in religion is not the same thing. Children are brought up to believe that whatever differs (no, WHOever differs) from what they've been taught is not only wrong, but probably Satanic. That is harmful because it's a lie.
Largo64 2 years ago
I couldn't agree more with the concept that children who harbor guilt from their "sins" are psychologically damaged. I myself am a survivor of such ridiculous thought. I believe that forcing religious beliefs on children is borderline brainwashing, which is in a way can be constituted as a form of abuse. Having my own children now, I've come to the conclusion that the Bible is just a way to help people learn wrong from right. I'm sure those morals can be taught without the make-believe and fear.
twixtwins88 2 years ago
Religion, like many things also has a negative side when it comes to using children as mind slaves.
P.S. Your voice sounds so oddly familiar, like a narrator's voice.
Alphonso291 2 years ago
Scientology practices child abuse. Check my videos to hear the Scientology "minister" beating a 15 year old kid.
anonamace 2 years ago
Evolution should not be taught to children in schools. They should be allowed to choose it for themselves when they are adults
novemberwh1skey 2 years ago
@novemberwh1skey: Wrong. Evolution is a field of science. Where as religion is a belief. Evolution is taught in school for the same reasons math and physics are taught.
KakkoiiBaka 2 years ago
kakkoi, In point of fact religion is not a belief, it is a term which describes a field of human activity. Likewise science is a field of human activity. Why should secularist bigots be allowed to dictate which fields of human activity other peoples children should be allowed to examine?
novemberwh1skey 2 years ago
Everything we do is a field of human activity, that's completely irrelevant.
Go look up the definition of "Religion":
"a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects"
What is being argued about here is the forcing of religious "beliefs" on children. Evolutionary beliefs aren't taught in school. The "facts" we have learned though proper scientific investigation about evolution and biology are.
KakkoiiBaka 2 years ago
the teaching about religion is not child abuse.
the teaching of (any) religion as the truth(!) and raising a child to believe in a certain religion IS child abuse!
FordPerfect 2 years ago
Any type of teaching in excess could be considered abuse or, at least, a hinderance on personal thought and their ability to rationalize what others have told them.
KeitaroCoS 2 years ago
@Blackfish100 Teaching kids morals, values and life experience is great. It's dogma that is harmful. As I said, teaching kids HOW to think, encouraging them to question and to use their minds, is good. Teaching them WHAT to think limits them their whole lives. You can do one without the other.
Largo64 2 years ago
You are a very smart man... I found your videos while looking for death penalty info.... that led me to see some of your other videos, which I thoroughly enjoyed.
Aleroluver 2 years ago
@Aleroluver Thank you. Not everyone agrees with you, I'm afraid.
Largo64 2 years ago
Next, people will say that having kids watch FoxNews or listening to Rush Limbaugh is child abuse.
DerektheDuctTape 2 years ago
@DerektheDuctTape Well, if I were forced to listen to Limbaugh or Fox I would feel abused!
Largo64 2 years ago
If I was forced to watch CNN I would feel abused.
DerektheDuctTape 2 years ago
And forcing an adult to watch as punishment, is torture.
Drewsky56 2 years ago
thats so true man
Tarunloko 2 years ago
calling religous education child abuse is an insult to anyone who really was abused as a child.
DerektheDuctTape 2 years ago
@DerektheDuctTape There are certainly different degrees of abuse. Have you ever seen "Jesus Camp"? Don't you think that mindfuck was abuse?
You call it religious education, I call it indoctrination. You don't see it as abuse. But I struggled for many years to free myself from dogma that was drilled into me from childhood. That teaching was abusive, albeit unintentionally so.
Largo64 2 years ago
Jesus Camp, that movie was twisted and put up from a bias point of view. Many things that should have been in the movie were left out very important. Now I don't agree with what the camp teaches, but I won't call it abuse.
DerektheDuctTape 2 years ago
How about you, how do you know that you are not the one brian washed, how do you know.
DerektheDuctTape 2 years ago
1] Because we are allowed to question and come up with other answers.
2] What has Brian got to do with this? Brian who?
MartinJWillett 2 years ago
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DerektheDuctTape 2 years ago
Religions should be taught in history classes. Religion, singular, should not be taught to minors at all.
MartinJWillett 2 years ago
why not? Why is that wrong?
DerektheDuctTape 2 years ago
Teaching a child "This is what you believe" is abusing them. As is teaching them "If you don't believe this
a] You'll be punished for all eternity
b] You will bring shame on the family
and
c] We won't love you."
In what way could that be anything but abusing the innocence and trust of a child?
MartinJWillett 2 years ago